Papoose On Kendrick Lamar’s BET Cypher: “He’ll Never Be Able To Shine My Shoes, Lyrically”

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Kendrick Lamar dropped a bombshell on hip-hop again yesterday with the release of a 15-second clip from his BET Cypher at the BET Hip-Hop Awards last weekend, which will be aired in full on October 15. Kicking the section off with, “Nothing’s been the same since they dropped ‘Control,’” most initially thought K.Dot was going after Drake, with the first part a reference to Drizzy’s Nothing Was The Same. But later in the day, a new theory emerged—Papoose, the Brooklyn MC who unleashed a fiery response to Kendrick’s “Control” assertion that he was the “King Of New York,” may have been the real target, not Drake. The lyrics lined up—XXL has detailed the entire exchange here, if you’d like a refresher—and last night Papoose seemed to agree, tweeting, “@drake, fall back sweetheart I got this #Bkln.” The tweet has since been deleted, and Pap claimed today that his account was hacked. Papoose called in to XXL today to speak about the 15-second clip, his Twitter hack, why he thinks he “Ethered” Kendrick and the reason his upcoming mixtape is called Blackballed. —Dan Rys (@danrys)

I gotta ask about your Twitter last night. You said today it got hacked?
Yeah, it was some weird shit like that, but you know, I got a team that handles that for me. I reached out to them and they handled that, and we caught it real quick.

So you saw the Kendrick clip that came out from the BET Cypher?
Yeah, yeah, I was hearing about it a lot, and then when I actually clicked on that, I couldn’t believe that that was what everybody was making a big deal out of.

What was your reaction?
Oh, it was comical, man. I laughed.

A lot of people said he was going at you.
I agree with the people, I looked at the majority and they were saying he was going at me. So I agree with the listeners, I agree with the fans. They say majority rules, so I agree with the majority.

You’ve gone back at Kendrick in the past with a verse. Are you planning on that this time?
Yeah yeah, he can’t fuck with me. He’ll never be able to shine my shoes, lyrically. So I’m just gonna be able to continue to prove that, to show and prove, like I did on “Control.” This is hip-hop, I love hip-hop, but I just want to continue to show and prove that he can’t fuck with me lyrically. You can look forward to that in my next release, straight up. I live in the studio, that’s my second home. So yeah, I’m definitely going to respond.

Are you going to wait to hear the full verse?
I don’t gotta wait, he’s very predictable. I already know what he’s capable of and what he’s gonna say; he’s very predictable. I don’t gotta wait. I can go right now and crush that little 15-second shit he did. That ain’t even about nothing. The guy’s predictable; he’s a very predictable artist. I already know what he’s gonna say before he even says it.

It kinda seemed like Kendrick had gone through your “Control” response line by line in his verse.
Oh, definitely. Cosmic Kev out in Philly, when he played it, he said the record reminded him of “Ether.” I think that just ate his soul alive; as much as he wanted to take the high road and try to say that he was too much of a big shot to respond, I think it ate him alive and he couldn’t resist.

You think you struck a nerve with him?
Oh, more than a nerve, I struck the entire nervous system. He couldn’t sleep at night, when he opened his freezer he’d see my face, when he closed his eyes…[Laughs] I’m just bullshitting. But I think that struck a nerve, definitely. It shook the ground up, let’s keep it real—when I dropped my response, it shook the ground up. You got guys who say, “this response or that one,” but come on, man, my “Control” response has over a million views already. I look around at some of the other guys, they got 300,000 or something like that, you know what I mean? There’s no comparison. Come on.

It seems like there’s more and more people getting into the competition spirit recently.
You know what, it’s hip-hop and it’s all about competition, but don’t get into a competition with someone you can’t fuck with lyrically. I think when you’re out of your league, you’re out of your league, and I think lyrically, what hip-hop is about is showcasing your talent, and I think I show and proved that I’m a true lyricist. So for me to go at somebody, I’m not stepping out of my boundaries. I don’t give a fuck about how much records have sold, how much arenas he’s sold out, how shiny his shoes is, or how real or how fake his chain is. This is hip-hop, it’s not about that, it’s about showcasing your talent, what you’re about, what you can bring to the table. So I feel like some guys are out of their league, jumping out of a window with a true lyricist. But to each his own; this is hip-hop, let’s keep hip-hop what it’s about, and it’s about talent, it’s about ability, substance, concepts. It’s about being a true MC, it’s not about anything else. So don’t tell me a guy sold this, or sold that, and that makes him a great artist; that don’t make him shit but a good salesman, and that’s it. Period.

I love hip-hop, man, I’m enjoying this. His response at the BET Awards was comical; they should have brought me there if they wanted a real MC on the microphone.

What else have you been working on?
A lot, man, I got a mixtape I’ve been working on called Blackballed, because that’s what I am, I’ve been blackballed. I am the most feared MC, the industry is afraid of me, and that’s the only reason why I’m not in the position that I deserve to be in, but I keep resurfacing because you cannot deny talent, you cannot stop destiny. So for me to always be in the headlines, in the worst and the best ways, every time they turn around, that’s just the reaction that takes place when you try to stop destiny or control talent and hold somebody back. This is what happens. It has a way of reacting. They’ll never be able to stop me or control what I do. But I am the most feared MC, and a lot of your favorite artists and execs—a lot of people hated on me, man. I’ve been hated on, and that’s the only reason I’m not in the position I deserve to be in. So that’s why that’s the title of my new mixtape, Blackballed.

I’m also working on my next album at the same time. I’m still working Nacirema Dream, it’s doing well for an independent release; I released it on my own, it charted, and it did extremely well for an independent project. I’m focused, man. I won’t let you down, never man.

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  • Big P Bastard

    This guy is still delusional…He can be a good lyricist but that’s about it. He sucks at song making…He cannot create a whole album of his own…But he is good for a feature or hot 16 though! He should be glad that he is getting some shine because I know his pockets are probably short so the extra attention I know, is helping him out. Out of all the folks K. Dot mentioned, he was not one of them but he was the one who got emotional, overly sensitive, and caught up in his feelings. Maybe he’s so sensitive because his wife is on lock down. She actually might be a better lyricist than him! I use to actually like this guy but he speaks as if he’s the best lyricist to hit the earth and he doesn’t even crack the top 20 IMO!

    • Puppet H

      Nobody can make an album on his own. You are delusional

      • Guest

        Tyler The, Creator did with Wolf.. He produced every beat and wrote his own lyrics and made sure the features fit properly.

      • joe

        he said of his own not on his own you dumb piece of shit

    • noozay

      he speaks as if hes the best lyricist on earth. Look, i usually agree and dont like such egos, but papoose, tho he doesnt produce great projects (sonically not lyrically) gets a pass. Papoose has such an ego cos if you look at his resume he has
      -Alliterated the entire alphabet twice (something NO artist has done, many have tried)
      -Had beef with Cassidy in his prime, back when people recorded bars on tracks as responses
      -the law library series, i reccomend you check that out

      Papoose is undeniable, and im not even that big a fan but lets not undermine him like ‘she might actually be a better lyricist’ and other BS.

    • Guest

      So you dont like him anymore because he thinks hes the best lyricist? Thats fucking restarted every rapper thinks their the best. LOL wow the kendrick fanboys really trolled this shit. Do your fucking research Pap put in way more work then kendrick. And has thousands of quotables. He won mixtape awards back to back. Ya sound hurt because of the diss. It actually did damage to these niggas brains.

      • black

        you must know cause you worked for papoose

        • black

          more work than* kendrick you mean

        • FckPapoose&Kendrick

          Kendrick got pulled in by Dre after that Game feature he did.
          Not saying he didn’t do any work – but to date Papoose has more work out. Don’t need to work for anyone to know that.

  • makaveli trained

    haha pap still delusional… so u “blackballed” n that’s “the only reason” u not where u think u “deserve” to be… come on bru, what about makin good songs, good albums, good music? pap delusional n the same goes for many underground heads & lyrical miracle rappers like dude

  • hiphopdisciple555

    its one thing to disagree or dislike an artist, but making up lies and inaccurate statements to support your point is not only pathetic but says a lot about your character. you can’t say pap cant make good songs or albums because nacirema dream proved that he can. how are you gonna try to lie like “Cure” and “Turn it up” weren’t dope songs – anybody claimin he cant make good songs is making a dumbass out of themselves just based off those 2 songs alone. It’s quite obvious neither of you even heard nacirema dream let alone the entire album – I heard the entire album so I did my homework, which is more than I can say for you guys

  • YungSauce

    Am I the only one that thinks his diss tracks have the corniest bars?

    • black

      i just don’t understand how anyone thinks it’s great

  • hiphopdisciple555

    control, first chain, shoot me a fair one, who shot ya – all great papoose diss tracks, pure lyricism

  • hiphopdisciple555

    the only people that can keep up with pap when it comes to the multis is crooked I and kool g rap. even eminem is not as good – he’s never done 28 bars of the same multi syllabic rhyme scheme – papoose has

    • fatneal

      for the record LUPE is the best…and if you think pap is in the same league as em youre delusional

      • hiphopdisciple555

        Lupe is absolutely one of the best lyricists in all of hip hop and its criminal how underrated he is no doubt about it. But the problem is that wasn’t at all the point I was making previously. neither was the second half of your comment. I was referring more specifically to the multi syllabic rhyme scheme lengths these different emcees have created during their careers, and I wasn’t talking about whether pap is in em’s league or vice versa. I was talking about who made the longest multisyllabic rhyme scheme in a verse. I tend to pay extra attention and study the craft to a science because im just a hip hop junkie like that lol. and after hearing roughly 98-99% of all known eminem and papoose songs, I can say that it is a fact that eminem has never written a rhyme scheme in a verse that stretched 28 bars long but papoose did that a few times and crooked I did that in the deep cover freestyle, and kool g rap did that in One Dark Knight. I’m not saying that eminem or any of the artists get discredited or whatever because of that, that wasn’t the point, I was just saying what I said and nothing beyond that. but yes Lupe is definitely one of the best pure lyricists in the game, his well roundedness is something not commonly seen and he is a true poet and real emcee

  • Derek

    This dude Papoose is a clown. Aint never heard none of his work, nobody want a feature from him now he going at Kendrick. Just another broke ass rapper trying to make a name for himself.

    • Noozmagoose

      well there we go then! you aint heard none of his work, listen to the law library series, and the alphabetical slaughter series. Or his collab with kendick lamar! lyrical gangsta’s ft kendrick lamar.

  • Kenny Powers

    Pap’s so bitter already. He’s a pretty good rapper but he just sounds desperate for attention now.

  • makaveli trained

    hahaha i dont give a fuck if you can put together 28 bars with the same
    multi! lol that is a good example of my point tho: some cats think that’s dope but
    unless those multis are backed up by quality sound and content that
    connects on emotional & spiritual levels, it’s nothing more than an
    exercise in empty lyricism. i want to hear good music. period. and good
    lyricism does not necessarily equal good songwriting or good music, no
    matter how many multis & punchlines u cram into ur bars… pap n
    many like him just cant seem to be able to grasp this concept

    for example many battle rappers are, technically speaking, nice
    lyrically but they can’t write a song to save their lives… yes this is
    a cliche but it is one because it’s obviously true in many, many
    cases…. yet pap was goin off recently to dj vlad about how battle
    rappers are “the real spitters” and how the notion that they cant make
    good music is really a false facade created by the music industry
    because it’s just that afraid of letting battle rappers and their
    lyricism into the game. come on bruh. the illuminati lizard people are
    involved too i think.

    “delusional” is the word of the day kids!
    pap’s comments/theories/excuses are just laughable. dude been comin off like an overly sensitive n bitter drama queen. shit even many of his bars, he clearly
    thinks are very dope, but they just dumb corny to me. and yes mr.
    disciple, i did actually sit down n listen to nacarema dream all the way
    thru. that shit was two things, exhausting and disappointing

    • makaveli trained

      ^^ @hiphopdisciple555:disqus

      • Turk

        You not really getting Papoose point hip hop my man is build on lyricism and when you look at artist today it’s build on gimmick and who there down with.Example, Lil Wayne, 2chainz, Tyler, Meek Mill, French Montana, Tyga, etc. I listen to just about every Papoose song and there were plenty of hits but it’s very difficult for them songs to get radio play without a major label pushing it.

    • Hiphopdisciple555

      If that’s your opinion than cool, but nonetheless its very unfortunate that you feel that way about wordplay, because the technical aspect of lyricism is the entire embodiment of pure lyricism, which is one of the most sacred and beloved aspects of hip hop period. The greatest emcees of all time are almost always loved and called the greatest because of their lyrical abilities. if technical pure lyricism was as unimportant as you feel it is, there wouldn’t be all the praise being given to guys like jayz, biggie, nas, eminem, or you’re favorite rapper Lupe or arguably the greatest emcee of all time Rakim, Rakim the god emcee based almost his entire style and existence off the skills of his technical and pure lyricism. if multis and other wordplay were as unimportant as you feel it is, jay z probably wouldn’t even exist because the bulk of his catalogue is heavily based on the variety of his wordplay and punchlines, he’s not as known for the quality content like nas is with the exception of his last couple projects though it was after already being a legend and vet in the game for 15 years. these aspects of the hip hop craft that you look down on and even make fun of are the very things that made hip hop the globally cherished genre it became

  • niggashit

    Papoose PAH-thetic


    Im Rootin’ for Pap. Kendrick may be “TOP DOG”, but Pap is the “UNDER DOG” (underrated).

  • Clondyke Classic

    fucc a diss tracc that shit gets you nowhere.. this nigga can’t even book a show outside of new york foh

  • Bearbruh

    Pappose is irrelevant as fuck….15 minutes DONE BEEN HAPPENED

  • jerk

    papoose is corky for shit, this dudes response isn’t a smash, he aint even good at making good songs, i only know the alphabet order thats the only successful record he ever made. plus the only nigger that made a dope response was joel ortiz. papoose shud just chill and try to make music and sell record if thats possible. jealous rapper

  • jerk

    but papoose is still a dope street cat

  • BluBlack


    • Gomy Noah

      Pap dissesed because he’s a sucka and none of his punches or bars had anything to do with Kendrick. It was all a bunch of gay jokes and filler. That’s what you call lyrical?

  • nn

    No it wasn’t aimed at Papoose, because nobody wants to see this ole ass ugly nigga.

  • Blinx182

    Oh the irony in Kendrick fans talking about lyricism when it comes to him and Drake, then bringing up song writing and such when it comes to him and Papoose. Even though none of that should have to do with the “essence of hip-hop” as you would put it.

    Maybe now you guys are beginning to wise up to the fact that whether artists choose to “diss” each other or not, they are *always* competing for the listener’s attention. That’s basically the default when it comes to the entertainment business, whether we talk abotu writing, movies, music, or whatever else in between.

  • de la CO

    “tde on pcp, we laugh at u like he he he” ….. high quality lyricism
    right there yes indeed pap ethered kendrick …. come on bru haha pap a

    • regtrrhyetyh

      what about kendricks corny doo doo doo lines? kendrick is one of the corniest niggas out and his fans are all brainwashed

  • The Truth

    You know whats good about pagoose. . . . Nothing.

  • black

    fair enough if this is papoose’s way of getting attention i mean he has to have a form of income to live. I mean personally i feel papoose is a weak ass rapper right now and his general production sucks you can beg to differ doesn’t make a difference to anyone. The diss track was corny if he really wants to be played he should make a great album. Kendrick right now has the bars and production all his control verse should do is make people step up. diss track does nada and most times sound corny cause there’s no personal info just a dude talking crap in the most negative way he can. just ends up sounding like corny hater with no paper

  • black

    ps if papoose if really had new york’s back he won’t be letting them down with wack shit.

  • Chitown23

    Poose is comical at best..this dude put you on the map and will murder you been in the game for how long? Yet this dude has one album and already put a choke hold on the game…y hate poose? But if I was in your shoes…

  • Chezpiece

    they cant fuck with pap!

  • CHD

    Lets be real, Kendrick didnt diss anyone and Pap decided it would be a good opportunity to get some attention out of all it. Paps diss is weak but he does have hot bars in other tracks however has already stated that his ” king of new york” line was him stating he wants to leave a mark like some of the greats, he was NOT saying he was the actual king of NY. Kendrick is a beast who can make hot tracks and produce hot lyrics and hes the man of the moment and funny thing is his verse on control has got everybody debating/talking about lyrics again and that was the whole point. This supposed beef with drake or papoose is nothing compared to the fact that rappers are looking to be competitive again instead of being pally pally and lets of get rich and create average music for the club. Step your game up or step off!

    PS drake is the softest shit talker of all time. to quote Nas “You pop shit apologize n****, just ask kiss”

  • eno

    damn papoose needs to just stop and get a 9-5 job

  • June Joon

    fuck all ya’ll hating ass bitches papoose ethered kendrick lamar

  • Hip hop head

    Papoose is a great lyricist. Anyone who has heard his songs can agree on that. However his diss is terrible. Lets compare it to arguably the greatest diss song ever. ETHER. In Ether, Nas talks about FACTUAL information about Jay z. That is what makes that diss so powerful. Powerful enough to make Jay Z apologize to NAS. Now Papoose’s diss contains untrue statements about Kendrick. 1) Kendrick is involved with the feminization if black men. UNTRUE: When have you seen Kendrick wear skinny jeans and such? 2) Kendrick Lamar has a little dick. (This is obvious) Most of the rest of the song contains the same idea. So no this is not a great diss song. It doesn’t hit home like Ether did to Jay Z simply because the information is not factual. On a side note I honestly believe Jay Z is highly overrated.