Fat Joe: “Big Pun Was Surrounded by a Bunch of Idiots”


Fat Joe is not a fan of Big Pun’s friends. While speaking with XXLMag.com, the veteran Bronx MC spoke about his disgust with the backlash fellow Puerto Rican rapper Joell Ortiz received from Pun’s former associates after dropping “Big Pun Back,”—an ode to the Terror Squad rep over the instrumental to Meek Mill’s “Tupac Back.”

When asked what he thought of the Pun tribute, Joey Crack responded: “I thought it was incredible. I thought it was great. I never seen a guy in my fuckin’ life get backlash for fuckin’ biggin’ up somebody.”

“See, what happened is Big Pun was surrounded by an enormous amounts of idiots,” he added. “And, sad to say, as big of a genius he was, and beautiful as he was, and I’m not just sayin’ that ’cause he dead, ’cause he was the most loyal, beautiful person… He’s my brother. I worship him to death… But, it’s unfortunate he was surrounded by a bunch of fuckin’ idiots. Nincompoops. You got a younger Spanish dude who’s hot in the streets and he wants to honor Big Pun and you throw slander at him and you disrespect him for fuckin’ only honoring Pun? How do expect anybody else to honor Big Pun?! Or talk about him in a good way?!”

“This is the shit, I hope people can open their eyes and see the shit that Fat Joe has been dealing with for the last 12 years,” he continued. “It’s fuckin’ idiotic. It’s fuckin’ lunacy at its finest. ‘I don’t think you should’ve bigged up Pun.’ Like, what the fuck are you talkin’ about? He’s honoring Big Pun, showing respect to Big Pun. What’s the problem? We can’t do that? We’re honoring the one fuckin’ Spanish nigga that wants to step up and say, ‘Guess what? Man, I love Big Pun. Big Pun’s back.’ Where’s the disrespect? I never seen shit like this in my life. Amazing, man. I think I got more upset than Joell Ortiz did, but I know the type of people he’s dealing with.”

Recently Latino MC, Peedi Crakk and former Terror Squad members Cuban Link and Tony Sunshine publicly voiced their displeasure with Ortiz’s song. While Joe says he hasn’t heard their comments, he doesn’t feel as though their opinions are even relevant. “I really don’t tune in to these niggas,” he said. “Like, who are these niggas? To be honest with you, they aren’t even relevant. I just hear the gossip niggas tell me, ‘like this nigga said’… I was like, ‘what?’ There you go. That’s why niggas can’t do the tribute to Pun, all proceeds to his kids. Niggas can’t do the VH1 Honors, ’cause these niggas are straight scums of the Earth. Straight scumbags. Like I said, Big Pun, as beautiful as he was, as an angel of a guy, ’cause he’s an angel.. Big Pun would take a crackhead off the streets and give him chicken at his house and rice and beans in one second. He was a great dude and a great father. But, it’s sad that he was surrounded by so many fuckin’ bad people. For real, it’s crazy.”

Stay tuned for our full-length feature with Fat Joe tomorrow morning (July 19), exclusively on XXLMag.com. —Elan Mancini with reporting by Mariel Concepcion

  • The187Worm

    Ortiz is a fuckin beast!

    • http://www.soulstycefest.com Chris Formica

      Man did you hear about the Big Pun tribute by Fat Joe at Soulstyce in LA?

  • zayzkidd

    I think a lot of people are mad about Ortiz song because they feel like he’s disrespecting Pac. If Ortiz would have did something original for Big Pun, people would probably give it more props. Most 2Pac fans hate the fact that Biggie’s name is constantly attached to Pac so imagine how they feel if you put any other mc right there with him.

    • The187Worm

      what the fuck are you talking about really? How is Ortiz disrespecting Pac? i think your confused playa

      • CARTEL

        I was thinking the same shit…

        • swype-matic

          Yea, what the fuck r u talkin about?? How is what Ortiz did any different than “Letter To Pac”, “Letter To Pun”, or “Letter To Stacks”??? Ain’t no disrespect at all.

          This is the smartest thing Fat Joe has ever said though, so he gets props for that if nothing else.

    • The187Worm

      Ya ass might be confused with The G.O.A.T Crooked I’s – Pac and Biggie

    • GTFO

      What you just said made absolutely NO SENSE. Just stop.

  • http://BillionDollarDream$zzz.com JUst Black

    I think people need to listen to the words of the track. The dude never said he want to replace pun he just saying he wants to be nice as pun. Thats like getting mad at a kid because he want to be like Jordan. SMH at yes men and fake friends

  • RION

    Big Pun is/was my favorite MC and Joell is getting up there. I think Pun would be honored that Joell is holdin it down and did that track!

    rion-music.com

  • NAPTOWNNUISANCE

    I think this is probably the smartest thing I have ever heard come out of Fat Joes mouth, I cant stand the dude but I give him props. But I also know that even though Pun was a great artist in his short time in the industry, he also wasnt an angel like people say, I do remember the video of his wife talkin about how he pistol whipped her for not gettin him some food or some shit like that.
    Its sad because people only wanna remember the good things and make people out to be angels once their dead.
    Same with Eazy I loved easy as an artist and musician but dont forget he tore apart NWA and fucked Bone over with shady contracts and bad dealings.But since their dead we have to forget that shit.Im not tryin to disrespect, Im just being real.Its crazy how someones death makes us forgive and overlook the wrong doings. Because its the right thing to do and thats how people are supposed to be remembered ( for the good they did ).

    • Realnigga

      took the words right outta my head homie…..I hate how people become the greatest person ever once they die, but when they were alive they were complete assholes or worst……I can understand parents seeing their kids like that, because your kid in parents eyes are always your kid…..but as far as friends and cousins and others, they should keep it 1000 real…..I just wanna hear once “that nigga was straight heartless” LOL

      • Realnigga

        also I remember Pac had a tattoo that read “Heartless”…..I know he wasn’t, but SOMEBODY saw that heartless side besides Bad Boy Records

  • NAPTOWNNUISANCE

    Oh and about the actual topic at hand, thats fucked up, I like Ortiz and think he is a beast…so props to him for doin the song out of respect to the artist. Joe is right its retarded to hate on someone for doin something in a positive way.

  • Shaolin

    I have to agree with Joe on this one. I mean nobody else has really been keeping his name alive. And the one dude that Is a good dude, and incredible lyricist stepped up and repped big for Pun. How you going to Ish on dude. What did these cats who are talking do for Pun, I didn’t hear any of them on any songs for Pun. Nobody said anything about the other Artist who did songs about Pac or Big. Ok you mad cause Joe and Joell aren’t beefing, that’s what I heard most from these dudes. How you going to be mad at a dude cause he ain’t mad at the people that you mad at. Did you run in the same circle, where you cool with Joell before he came out. Then you may have a reason to be mad. But if you have never spoke to dude, don’t know dude, stand down You have nothing to stand on. Just My opinion.

  • http://www.bboycult.com $yk

    wow…this is gonna spill into the streets of the Boogie Down Bronx…it ain’t gonna go away…

    • Afi K. James

      And the streets of brooklyn, ny too.

  • Los Angeles Angelz

    Rap folk is always crying and moaning….he said that, he said this, he’s dissin pun, he’s dissin pac, why he say that rap for? NEGROS NEED TO GROW SOME AND SHUT UP CRYING!!! DAAAAYYUUMM!!! ERR Body crying over what somebody else did!! Shut up already, rap is a bunch of crybaby clowns pretending to be men. I’m with Joe Crack on this one, they are a bunch of whining idiots that stand for nothing.

    • smokey

      actually these dudes are all spanish, not black. just saying.

      • Los Angeles Angelz

        So that’s the only point you get out of my comment? Lunacy at it’s finest.

      • Tee

        Spanish is a language. There is some negro up in these dudes. If they admit it or not is another thing. Hispanic history 101

  • bxfresh

    FINALLY!!! i been waitin sooooo long for sumone to say that shit!! never thought it’d be from Joe tho. PUN was definitely surrounded by IDIOTS. all these niggas thats callin Joe dirty and a crook are the SAME niggas who was leachin off pun when he was alive. and these also are the same niggas that used to get pun caught up in all types of stupid shit. When PUN was makin money these niggas were encouragin him to buy stupid shit, they had pun walkin around wit guns, they used to fuck up hotels that they stayed in, they snuck him food when Joe got him in that weight loss program, PUN used to beat niggas up and threaten niggas when he was already famous just to help those leachin ass niggas. I dont think tony sunshine was one of them but CUBAN was and other niggas that werent rappers. Armageddon said this shit a while back, him Joe, and Seis were never no where to be found when Pun was caught up in dumb shit. Its just sad that he couldnt cut himself off from the hood and the hood niggas he rolled wit. U cant be rich and still wild out like a hood nigga and handle your business and money wit that hood mentality it never ends good for u. RIP PUN

    • Afi K. James

      You got that right.

      this is why the big pun legacy should have died with pun, would have saved us all a lot of trouble.

    • Afi K. James

      That is why those bastards deserve to be kicked out, that’s a shame that they fucked up pun’s life like that and pun fucked up his own life, this is why the original terror squad were and I Still think is the most dysfunctional group in hip-hop history.

  • http://n/a the change

    Honestly yes i think Ortiz came correct with his track. I did think it could have been a bit more original but honestly I know he didn’t mean any disrespect & like Fat Joe said he was surrounded by scum. Get off his nuts they prob just jealous that they’re irrelevant to the game now in days & they just ate off Pun’s success. Ortiz do your thing Slaughterhouse, C.O.B, & Shady Recs all day. #okbye

    • http://www.soulstycefest.com Chris Formica

      Did you see that Fat Joe was doing a tribute to Big Pun at Soulstyce in LA?

  • star.ifueverseenone

    this is an obvious attempt at putting hype into ortiz.

    ortiz is great, do not get me wrong, but he doesnt have the buzz of a commercial artist.

    with differences in opinion blown across with media you create buzz for yourself.

    classic pr gimmick.

    • $yk

      false

      the only one’s looking for attention are Cuban & Tony

  • $upremacy

    Joell Ortiz did say in his song that he was ‘the new Christopther Rios of Rap’. Now I guarantee you that if Rick Ross had said in Tupac Back ‘that he was the new Tupac Shakur of rap’ then he will be facing the same sort if controversy.

    Now the only reason why Cuban Link and Tony Sunshine aint big in the mainstream scene is coz of that fat hoe blackballin them.

    • NAPTOWNNUISANCE

      Are you serious? Rick Ross the wanna be, name stealin, life imitatin ass lame did worse than that he called himself the new Suge Knight. hahahahaah.Come on son, most of these new dudes are tryin to eat off of legends. Because they are un- original.

  • Wico Bushwick Don

    I was waiting to hear from Joe regarding JO, I thought Joe wasnt feeling him for some reason. But Joe is a real nigga, niggas just hate on him because they’re intimidated by a Rican dude, real talk. Niggas hate what they cant conqur. Shout out to Joe Crack!!!

    • http://www.soulstycefest.com Chris Formica

      Did you hear about the Fat Joe Tribute in LA in September?

  • UptMonsta

    It’s the timing of Joell Ortiz release that’s the problem. Let Meek Millz have 2 seconds at least. So is Ortiz gonna make a song duplicate song everytime somebody pays homage to Pac? Come on man. Its like he’s saying “Don’t forget about Pun”, as if he’s trying to garner attention for Pun off of Pac. No, its not a diss to Pac, but its a very lame move by Ortiz.

    • $yk

      This is the conclusion you came to after gaining all of the facts? wow…

      where do y’all get your information from?

  • YourMama.com

    Yo totally agree with what he said…BX all day, Boricuas stand up! But his version of that beat was str8 basura “Dirty Diana”

    • Aaron

      i am from the bx..pun is not just for spanish cats…show him love like you show it for Biggie….

      • http://www.soulstycefest.com Chris Formica

        Did you hear about Soulstyce? Fat Joe is doing a Tribute to Big Pun in Los Angeles?

  • Big Rich

    People need to listen to the lyric’s….How is Big Pun’s Back when he’s dead? If you listen he said, “Joell ortiz the new Christopher Rios of rap.” If you break it down what he really means is that Big Pun is back because Joell is the New Big Pun. Now that’s disrespectful. Come on People get real.

    • Aaron

      just a bunch of broke dudes…keep making songs about Pun..he is not getting respect for his lyrics!

  • Aaron

    he was not just a dope Spanish Rapper…He was a dope Rapper……..stop putting labels on him and just big him up….Joell Ortiz is nice….he did nothing but big up a dope artist…Something Fat Joe should have done in the Lean Back Video but instead he big up Biggie! Be mad at Fat Joe Not Joell ortiz!

  • Will Morebucks

    Joey right bout the song, but Pun wasn’t no damn angel. Nigga used to beat the dogshit outta his wife. Damn good rapper and I’m pretty sure he had his good qualities, but he’s far from a saint.

    • http://www.soulstycefest.com Chris Formica

      Hey did you hear about the event Soulstyce in LA with Fat Joe doing a Tribute to Big Pun?

  • http://www.justice.gov.za Ch*l*z

    I symphatise with Pun’s family n friends….but they should’nt have put it out like that.

    Ortiz was either d*ckriding or paying props either way the whole situation was mishandled n its spilling out of control in the streets corners.

    Nuff said……………………………

    • $yk

      Ortiz did a song, Pun’s immediate family enjoyed the tribute, the leeches felt a certain way (even Pun’s wife), and Joey spoke up and said cut it out leeches.

      How is it mishandled?

  • NYCW

    its sad when the truth is twisted … & it has been 4 a long time .. pun loved > cuban … & the rest of his real crew .. full eclipse .. later 2 be ( terror squad ) pun aka moon dog … ( fat joe is the real band wagon kat .. aka leech ) just do the math …. once pun went platinum – joe ran with the label money 4 dolo & shelfed every 1 elses projects .. its all on paper *** notice > fat joe was down with diggin in the crates b4 ( ts ) when he was flow joe & mad cool @ that time * … those are ( real mc’s ) but when he got the $$ why didnt he do any records with them .. build with them .. same as what he did with puns real crew ** ( GREED ) is why * he went down south … hmmmm .. suspect .. if pun was alive … trust that the label & puns crew would have been on point ** but fat joe had all the control … now look @ fat joe .. his album sales are terrible … & his down south kats his is a groopie of .. have surpast him & left him behind … where is fat joe ? the streets dont love him @ all …. he is like fake diamonds … fu-gazy …. i know real bx nigaz they band 2gether … much RESPECT TO > PUNS REAL FAM * KIDS & LIZA > CUBAN LINK .. REMY .. & THE REST OF ( TS ) … DIGGIN IN THE CRATES … THESE CATS CAN TELL YOU A DIFFERENT STORY … ABOUT >>> FAT JOE *

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Afi-Keita-James/651695123 Afi Keita James

      Because pun’s crew abused their own talent for stupidity.

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  • NAPTOWNNUISANCE

    Fat Joe is a bitch and always has been, when 50 was on stage at the mtv awards a few years back when they was beefin 50 pointed into the crowd and called fat joe out and told him to come on stage and settle their problem, joe backed down like a bitch.Thats why they had to cut of g units performance early, because the beefin started on the stage

  • JB3

    How could anyone seriously dislike that track Ortiz did?! He’s biggin up Pun not disrespecting him! From the outside looking in, it really does seem like Joell is catching bad feelings from those non-relevant clowns (I’m not even gonna give them the respect of mentioning their names) cause him and Joe are cool. Like I said how could you hate on that track it’s all love!

  • SCLA

    FUCK FAT JOE! Joe just saw pun as a way to gain star status…Joe was already on before pun, but as soon as put came along, Joe went platinum. The other artist, couldve done something in the music industry, they have talent. Cuban spits hardcore stuff, Tony is a great singer, sucks that they were put off for so long while being with Joe. Look at Armagedon, he didn’t do anything, Remy flopped, Seis is M.I.A, the only person that was smart enough was DJ Khaled, he’s doing big things. He doesn’t even rep TS anymore. Joey Crack has so many enemies, wonder why!. Charlie Rock LD, Cuban, Remy, Seis, Tony, Pros, Armagedon, all these niggas had potential, unfortunately Hip Hop is all about these lil stupid kid groups, Jerking, shuffling, and all that non sense. SMH

    • Afi K. James

      Because those rappers have ruined their reputation, because their arrogance and laziness.

    • Afi K. James

      Because one person said the truth here, TS Abuses their true talent for dysfunctionality and ignorance.

      bxfresh | July 18, 2011 6:31 pm

      FINALLY!!! i been waitin sooooo long for sumone to say that shit!! never thought it’d be from Joe tho. PUN was definitely surrounded by IDIOTS. all these niggas thats callin Joe dirty and a crook are the SAME niggas who was leachin off pun when he was alive. and these also are the same niggas that used to get pun caught up in all types of stupid shit. When PUN was makin money these niggas were encouragin him to buy stupid shit, they had pun walkin around wit guns, they used to fuck up hotels that they stayed in, they snuck him food when Joe got him in that weight loss program, PUN used to beat niggas up and threaten niggas when he was already famous just to help those leachin ass niggas. I dont think tony sunshine was one of them but CUBAN was and other niggas that werent rappers. Armageddon said this shit a while back, him Joe, and Seis were never no where to be found when Pun was caught up in dumb shit. Its just sad that he couldnt cut himself off from the hood and the hood niggas he rolled wit. U cant be rich and still wild out like a hood nigga and handle your business and money wit that hood mentality it never ends good for u. RIP PUN

      and that’s the truth.

      • Afi K. James

        And expect Baby pun to become a bigger bastard then his father.