An Open Letter To Tupac Fans

Years ago, I went to law school at Georgetown University, in Washington D.C. Being a Brooklyn, New York cat, I knew nothing about that city. One day I went to have lunch with a couple of friends at the famed Florida Avenue Grill. Me and my peoples were in there talking about how we thought the Redskins sucked. I guess we were a bit loud because after a few minutes, a couple of cats said something to the effect of “You New York boys will get fucked up in these parts of town.” Cool, when in Rome, all that. Plus, how stupid would it be for me to get into a scuffle with some local cats over football teams? We quickly changed the subject to politics. Mayor Marion Barry was still the mayor of that city, even after it had been proven that he was known to smoke crack every now and then. This time our waitress got mad. “Don’t you talk bad about MY mayor!” she barked. Now, not trusting the vibe, plus not wanting the cooks in the back to add any types of “special sauce” to my meal, we finished what was left of our lemonades, paid the bill and bounced. Three things I walked away from that experience with:

1.  Washington DC cats don’t play

2. They will ride or die for Marion Barry

3. If you’re from out of town, you might get fucked up for talking shit about the Redskins

I grew up with this cat named Knowledge. Knowledge was the kind of cat that loved to get in trouble. Nice with his hands and standing well over 6’2″, dude was known to knock many a cat out with his hands. I don’t think I’ve ever met anybody that loved scrapping like how Knowledge did.  Never backed down from a fight. Some years back, he went down to DC to take part in the festivities at the annual Howard Homecoming, even though he never attended Howard. He never attended college. As he was getting prepped, buying new kicks, a mean butter soft leather jacket and what not, I warned dude about how ill them DC boys get, how him with his bad ass shouldn’t mention jack about the ‘Skins. Or Marion Barry. He was like “fuck them bitch ass niggas, you know how I do, fuck around and knock a nigga out!”. You know us New York cats, always thinking how much better we are than anyone else. So dude drives down there, looking to pick up chicks, but with this typical arrogant New York attitude. Down there one night, he runs into some younger kids, thugged out smoking mad weed and blasting Tupac from out their jeep. They got into an argument about a parking space. So as Knowledge and the driver of the jeep is arguing, Tupac all blasting out the speakers, Knowledge spits out, on top of whatever his beef was in connection with the parking spot, how bitch ass them kids was for bumping ‘Pac. Knowledge by the way, was not a Tupac fan. Even though it was just him against like five smaller cats, Knowledge definitely had the size advantage. But the minute he said some shit about Tupac, one of the kids immediately jumped out the jeep, wielding a lock tied to the end of a long ass shoestring. Knowledge, towering over the kid is like “Wtf” then BAM, the kid swings the lock like a pro and the lock connects solidly to Knowledge’s temple. Dazed, and dropped, Knowledge hits the ground. The other kids get out, all wielding the bolo like shoestring/lock creations and they’re whipping on Knowledge like crazy, locks connecting to forehead, nose, knuckles and what have you. Now Knowledge is in the fetal, trying his best to survive, but its a wrap. The kids get closer and commence to stomping the shit out of him. Hearing him tell the story, he said he knew he was close to death, knew he was going to die. The last thing he remembered before he lost consciousness was how he felt mad hands digging deep in his pockets, boots still raining down on his eye, back, head, neck, nose.

When he woke up a couple of days later, in the hospital,  doctors and cops there told him how lucky he was to be alive, what with the concussion, broken nose, a couple of cracked teeth and fingers. A whole list of bodily damage. That, plus how them goons took every thing, watch, butter soft leather jacket, new kicks, wallet, crisp Yankees cap, Coogi hoodie, Evisu jeans, car, everything. Them dude stripped him down to his underwear and left him out on the street, unconscious. Me and my friends ended up Western Unioning cash to a friend of mine for Knowledge to pick up from, cause of how  he didn’t have any types of  I.D. no  more. (Western Union requires i.d. to pick up cash). Just so he could buy some clothes, nothing fancy. And also for him to cop a ticket to ride a Peter Pan bus back to New York. All of that, just because he didn’t like Tupac. And how he decided to share that info with a gang of Tupac fans.

Yesterday I remixed an old post I did on Byron Crawford’s site 5 yrs ago. About how I thought Tupac, now in 2009 might still be overrated. You might have read it.  Back when I dropped it in 2005, ‘Pac fans went nuts. Byron ended up getting over 500 comments behind it! Mostly from Tupac fans. I have to admit that it was kind of fun then, riling them up, kinda like how kids might get a kick outta stirring up a hornets nest. Yesterday I woke up in a mischievous mood, felt like pulling the same stunt here at XXL. I did, and like clockwork, Pac fans jumped out the window. Like them DC boys, you niggas is crazy. For real though, no joke, I respect that. Now this ain’t no types of apology, me taking anything back. I like some of Tupac’s work. A lot. Most of it, not so much. So yeah, we don’t have to agree on the same things, but you dudes went the eff in on me. Still.  Thirteen plus years after his murder in cold blood. The way ya’ll still ride with Tupac, ride and bang for him and his legacy, that right there is mad commendable. What I did was hella fun, for real, but really, I knew what I was doing. I knew better and fucked with ya’ll anyway. It was too easy. And it wasn’t very nice of me.

Two things I respect most about  Tupac is how charismatic he was and how he did everything with 100% passion. Passion wins all the time. Tupac fans, like the man himself, are like no other on how they keep that passion alive. It’s what hip hop is missing these days, that kind of passion. I wish half of the rappers in the game today had as much passion as y’all do, as quarter as much passion as Tupac had. I truly respect that. So yeah, I think Tupac was overrated as a rapper, but that’s just my own individual opinion. What’s more important is how Tupac continues to be severely overlooked for the incredibly talented individual that he was in other aspects of his short lived life. For him to have touched so many lives the way he did [||], for how you continue to keep riding for him, on behalf of all Tupac fans everywhere, you get a sincere and official Combat Jack salute. Salutes!

Knowledge has never been the same since that incident. He still tries to gets brawlic every now and then, but not like before. They also never found his car. He’s also got that look in his eye, like how one has when they’ve come that close to greeting death. He’ still a loudmouth. Except whenever anyone mentions Washington, D.C. Or Tupac. Then he gets quiet. Like a church mouse. Quiet and still, and with that lost look in his eyes. You Tupac fans don’t have to worry about me questioning Tupac’s legacy as a rapper no more. It’s hard enough catching heat from them cats over in the Nah Right’s comments section, they started bringing the hate in a major way. So I’m making my peace with ya’ll. I’m ready to move on if you are. Cool? Lemme know.

  • http://www.pleasedontstare.com Benhameen

    Dont speak bad about Pac or the DMV and we all good. Lol naw its all peace I respect how you say he is over rated but that is your opinion. Plus thanks for the shout out about how his life doesnt get the credit it deserves.
    Pac > pretty much every other rapper.
    He was deeper than rap when Rick Ross was still saying bend over and spread your cheeks. nhoc.

    • http://www.facebook.com/maxprofit Max Profit

      That shit ain’t have nothing to do with Pac.

      You already know New Yorkers are not liked out of town.

      Those kids were just looking for a reason to stomp out a NY dude.

      Damn I hope you didn’t use your homie’s real name, thats an embarrassing story.

      • RonTucker

        I was thinking the same. NY cats are a lot more
        humble nowadays lol.

        • http://thisismarlow.blogspot.com MarloW.

          I respect your feelings on Pac he’s my favorite artist but to each his own but your homie shouldnt had been talkin stupid in DC sorry bout his unfortunate altercation but niggas don’t play out this bitch the kids is who you need to worry bout now and days them niggas will cut your life short over lookin at em wrong

    • MEME

      T.H.U.G L.I.F.E

  • Rap-Loving Student

    CJ, I want to study international law at Georgetown U. I’m a Junior in undergrad college right now…any advice?

    • Josh

      invest in an LSAT prep course

  • OG Matt Herbz

    I like 2 things about this…

    …that an ego-tripping New Yorker got stomped out, and…

    …that it was because he talked shit about ‘Pac.

    Two things I can’t stand are a loud-mouthed NY’er and a ‘Pac stan. Clash of the Titans-type shit right there.

    –OG Matt Herbz–

    • X

      Agreed, two of the most annoying things in hip hop are Tupac stans and East Coast stans.

      • GregSIDE

        Ur right about the Pac and E.Coast stans. There’s a BIG difference though. An East Coast stan will argue with you non stop about why Jay-Z is the best rapper alive. They will literally talk ur head off, so it’s easier to just agree with him eventually to shut him up. That shit happened to me when I was locked up and unknown 2 me my cell mate was a Jay stan. It wasn’t fun to to be locked down with dude 23 hours out the day after I said 2pac was the greatest. But at the same time when I got out I started listing to Jay and I became a fan cause I wanted to know what the big deal was. Pac stans are different. I know I used to be one. I have some homeboys that are huge Pac stans. So when I grew out of the stan faze and started listening to N.Y. artist my friends were looking at me crazy. Me and my best friend almost came to blows one night when I was cracking jokes about Tupac. I think the reason there so different is because like you said Tupac was so much more than a rapper. Pac stans get deep into the music. It’s like how you said on the first blog you knew people that would put on a Pac song and cry. Pac’s people use his music as therapy. Tupac could actually turn you into a Thug. Just like he did to himself, and that was his self destruction. He was a leader, and what he said his people did. Him passing turn him from leader to martyr. So if you speak bad about somebody’s martyr, a martyr that instilled Thug Life into them and what do you get. An ass kicking or worse. Oh yea, don’t try telling them he’s dead.LOL

  • Enlightened

    Yeah, Jack cool, but two things you said stood out to me

    1. “felt like pulling the same stunt here at XXL” and

    2. “I knew what I was doing. I knew better and fucked with ya’ll anyway. It was too easy”

    Exactly. Look man, just like somebody else said somewhere in that pack of 6,017 comments on that blog from yesterday, we expect more from you than that, G.

    It was a little disappointing for people who have read your work in the past. It’s like, congratulations, you probably got the most comments ever on an xxl blog, but was it worth it?

    That’s what these niggas do who don’t bring nothing to the table, G. Shock blogs strictly for numbers. You don’t have to stoop down like that to get noticed over here man. Do you. That “hardest deal I ever made” or whatever blog from the other day was the shit. That’s you. Come on, man. Don’t do us like that over here man.

    We like to here the realness when we on here readin’ shit when we supposed to be workin.

  • P-Matik

    I often wonder what rap would be like if Pac was still living. I mean after he passed, all of these clowns came out biting his ass [II] like a great white shark. I don’t anyone would have dared if he was still breathing. Him or BIG.

    Then again, I don’t think BIG would have made it past a third album. I’m just sayin’.

  • iquell

    I told you its reckless in Bmore and the DMV over Tupac homey, but you already knew that. I almost regret clicking that “notify me of follow-up comments” I’m STILL getting emails off that post.

    • Smel

      Is it wrong that reading these terrible descriptions of disrespect and graphic beatings made me crave Florida Avenue Grill?? I think I might call in an order.

      And if you think calling Pac overrated stirs up a riot, try suggesting that he was gay, as I have done.

  • Worley

    I didn’t feel like commenting after a million mofos the other day, but I agree that Pac was overrated as a rapper. He might have done better to write a book. Dude’s message was powerful but his rhyme schemes were awful.

    DC cats don’t like NYers point blank. I think it’s a hangover from when cats like Alpo were out there treating them like country Bamas. I once bought a bag of trees on N. Capitol and dude asked me “you from NY?” I said “yeah.” Dude sold me the bag and didn’t say anything else. His vibe made me uneasy though. His man with his hand in the garbage can didn’t make things any better either. Ever since, I bring my own trees when I go to DC.

  • General

    This is the reason I didn’t even bother to comment on your blog yesterday, because it was obvious that the blog was not intented as a discussion provoking piece, but as one that simply brought out two sides who will never agree…

    Hell you might as well have dropped a post about abortion, because again, it is something that people on both sides will never come to an agreement on…

    To me your argument about Pac is no different than BIG and Jay, to me they are the two most overrated rappers of all time, but to engage in a disucssion with cats like you on that topic would be pointless…

  • Thejoker

    I think the passion is what makes tupac a legend…and that’s how you know he’s one of the greatest, people are still willing to crack a skull to defend his legacy…yesterday was a stunt but I ain’t mad atcha you gotta say some crazy shit to get people to pay attention sometimes, like pac he’d spit at the cameras and gave the finger when he was leaving the hospital but then when he had your attention then came the dear mama’s and changes ect., so I hope you do the same now that you got our attention

  • sealsaa

    “You Tupac fans don’t have to worry about me questioning Tupac’s legacy as a rapper no more.”

    That’s a bit dissapointing CJ. I wish you’d stuck to your guns. Not just because I feel the same way about Tupac’s music that you do, but because you have every right to express your opinion, and if these little stans don’t like it, then fuck’em. Thats no reason for them to go off in the comments section with insults and threats. Not trying to tell you what to do, but if I were you, I would’ve moved on to another topic today, and let those who still chose to read my drop read, and those who wanted to bitch and moan do so. Mind you, some people respectfully disagreed with you, but these stans were down-right pathetic yesterday, and they don’t deserve a second thought, let alone a truce.

    • Combat Jack

      I expressed my opinions yesterday, and I’m expressing my opinions today. Not reacting to anything or being bullied by anyone, just keeping it 100% with ya’ll. An idea hits me, I write, that’s how I get down. No more, no less. That’s all.

  • macdatruest

    Great way to draw attention away from a certain somebody flopping.

    • http://www.hiphopmanga.com Plain Rap Medski

      ^THIS

  • http://www.jamal7mile.blogspot.com Jamal7Mile

    I wasn’t mad at yesterday’s post too much. It was your opinion that was different than mine. Cool, no problem, lets move on. It DID look like you were fishing for hits though.

    I wouldn’t change what you write about if that’s the way you feel. That wouldn’t be REAL, which is what we ask for (as stated above).

    But like you said, Pac’s passion for music/life cannot be denied. That’s what made me a fan of his, and that lack of passion (lack of LIFE) in today’s music is why I’m so salty about some of today’s artists.

    Beats, Rhymes, Life… that’s how the saying goes.

  • Tommy

    makaveli trained soldiers

  • og bobby j

    im surprised that when i commented yesterday, i got no type of response.

    Tell me why, in all them old videos and pictures, pac looks like he is bout to go salsa dancing in a bar called the mud flap with a latino guy every calls skittles.

    gets shot a few times, then he is thug.

    Allo im saying, i bet dude was fond of the chocolate starfish….

    no homo.

    • Enlightened

      “gets shot a few times, then he is thug”

      C’mon. You can’t be taken seriously with comments like that. Do you really know anything about his life story? Have you watched any of the documentaries?

      I’m not going to try to somehow vouch for another man’s toughness.

      All I know is, if you were first raised by revolutionary niggas, sitting in the meetings, real niggas who broke people out of maximum security prisons, robbed banks, did whatever was necessary for liberation…

      and then…

      saw the flip side of that when your mother became a crackhead and you went from livin’ in the worst hoods of Baltimore to the worst hoods of the bay area, with little parental supervision as you roam the streets amongst those type of niggas…

      it’s kind of hard for you to be a hoe ass nigga. That type of shit will turn you into something other than the nigga who was in fine arts school and on track to be somebody else.

      • Dave

        In such a short response, that is probably the best explanation of that nigga Pac, Ive heard ever. If ur not conscious enough to understand that then Pac aint for u….Good post Enlightened!

  • Chilly Willy

    I’m a Pac fan, which means I appreciate dude’s work and his influence, what he brought to the game. But when you ain’t even able to let a man express a different opinion, that’s when fandom mutates to stannery.

    I agreed to 97% of what you said yesterday, CJ. Meaning I’d have added some other songs as among his best, but that’s all. I wish you’d stick to your guns, but hey, opinions are just that.

    Still a great drop, though. I find it ironic that your homey’s name is Knowledge.

    Respect to all Pac fans. Pac stans, fuck y’all !

    Then again, what do I know ? I happen to have an allergy with every aspect of worship.

    Peace !

  • Joe

    Man this guy sounds a lot like Templeton on The Wire right now…Thats an awfully ‘entertaining’ pull-in story. I call bullshyt.

    Tupac had 10 good songs…Niki Minaj ‘killed’ the BET cypher..Your friend ‘Knowledge’ lmao

    i dont believe a word u say, sir.

  • latino heat

    this is the first time i’m actually getting in early on one of your drops this week. just wanted to say good work on all your posts this week. there have just been way too many comments for me to bother trying to get in on any of the conversations.

    i didn’t bother reading any of those comments yesterday cause i just don’t have the time or patience. obviously you pissed a lot of people off though. and i don’t know why all these people are so mad at you. don’t any of you guys remember when Billy X Sunday aka D.P.said Febreze was better than Tupac? i don’t remember him getting that many angry comments.

  • JAY STONE

    Any one of you remember how 2pac stans go hard agains bol in d comment section around 2006 after saying that pac is overrated.damn the nigga bol had like over 3000 hits

  • http://xxlmag.com Ben

    Yeah don’t talk about Tupac again fagget.

    • HNIC

      LMAO! That shit struck me funny! Nice!

      Anyways, I’m a fan of ‘Pac’s work. Dude was the first, in hip hop, to have a crazy work ethic that hasn’t been matched until recently, with Weezy. Say what you will about his persona, but, he was incredibly talented & even prolific, at times, in my opinion.

      I strongly believe that if he had been given a few more years, that with his influence/popularity, he could’ve been the one to motivate a new generation of revolutionaries, similar to the way that Malcolm & Martin, during their time. He was that charismatic & inspirational, which the posts from his fans proved, yesterday. 13 years after his passing, as you mentioned… that’s no small feat.

      Who, aside from Pac has had the same impact, within hip hop, on legions of people? I’m at a loss to think of anyone else who has that comparative potential, to influence & inspire the masses, formerly or presently. The long & short of it, Pac was/is a legend. Regardless if anyone agrees or not.

      By the way, I have a theory that East Coast cats are so salty against Pac, due to the whole East Coast/West Coast, Biggie bashing that occurred, over a decade ago. Therefore, anytime that someone mentions the name Pac, they still feel a personal obligation to stick their chests out & represent for their Coast, borough, hood, what have you. It’s commendable to a degree, but, also petty, in my opinion. A lot of time has passed, it’s time to mature & move on. Just my two cents.

  • SOUTHSIDE A -TOWN

    Jack. i fux w/ ya. i like your style, you a ill nigga (lol, anybody remember that from Belly?) you over here w/ the best of em (bloggers) & you doing ya thing. much respect.

    i didnt even bother commenting on your drop yesterday. i didnt see the point. i never was a Pac fan really. but, i agreed w/ almost everything you were saying except for some songs i would’ve added to the catalog. its so true that Pac fans are the craziest. whenever i get around (lol) them niggaz talking bout Pac n shit, i just stay quiet like ya boy Knowledge. i aint got the time to sit & fucking argue over an OPINION.

  • http://tonygrands.blogspot.com Tony Grands

    Salute CJ!

    Mission accomplished…

  • NotoriousAGC

    you niggas in NY will never know how pac had influence in a generation growin up and inspiring us to keep goin specially in the 90s when i would see homies get beat up and taken by the popo just for bein black,what pac said was day after day life here in L.A., not only for my black homies but for my Race too(im mexican, nullus) livin and growin up in a real bad neighborhood it was good to hear someone made it out of here and was actually lettin the world know how shit was in L.A. outside of N.W.A. and eazy,Pac here is and will probably always be “that nigga” u kno? im not a pac stan i wont tattoo his name on me(ever) but i hve to give credit tothe nostalgia Pac music brings growin up in L.A., pacs music was like medicine to some people here..and for NY peeps to just say hes over-rated and tlk shit on pac is mad HATE,its weird,i always said Biggie was my favorite of al-time and im writin a goddamn book about PAC in the comments section.oh yeah,
    fuck you combat jack stop tryna kiss ass now

  • jojo

    Alot of the 2pac stans are difficult to take seriously simply because they disregard alot of other mc’s but acknowledge the so-called “greatness” of 2pac. Was he good? Sure. All-time? Fuck no.

  • j

    Hey COMBAT JACK, I got a fuckin masterlock with your name on it.

  • ay

    combat jack, you’re an idiot.

  • John Cochran

    I lived in the DMV during my teens. Im Philly to the bone but I love my DC niggas. Not much of a Pac fan but I do hate arrogant ass New Yorkers. He deserved that shit if the story is true. Youll meet the same fate over here too nigga.

  • fuck cj

    no we’re not cool you fucking bum! come up with a better way to get people to your blog!

  • CrunchyBlack187

    Funny how yesterday you were shitting on Pac and today you make a blog on how passionate he was.

    P.S.: You’re a faggot for shitting on the grave of a dead man.

  • I subscribe to your blog

    dont play with us man. just stay dropping that realness. even this joint was funny as hell. making sense too. gems of knowledge in there.anyway..looking forward to more of the legal insider joints. even that crispus attacks ish you did way back. still be dying over that one.

    one of my law professors quoted a philospher. goes something like, “when we join an institution we are invariably changed more by it than the institution is changed by us”. he believes that ish. anyway, prove one of my favorite teachers of all time wrong. change the game. you got the writing skills and life experiences to make major moves in this hip hop game. PEACE homie

  • $ykotic/Don McCaine

    I still don’t understand the East/NY bias. I’ve been through mostly ALL the states and have gotten love.

    Maybe that’s a testament to who I am. I dunno. I just don’t like that sh*t.

    But fair is fair. Throw the Biggie one up too CJ.

    You fed them the old refrigerator food yesterday, now it’s time to hit Key Food(Safeway/Albertson’s 4 the West, see how I do?) and get some fresh meat for the next meal.

    FYI The X-Spot homies over here usually don’t eat on weekends if you catch my drift.

    PEACE

    • NotoriousAGC

      yo i highly doubt you were in cali for some time syke considerin you didnt notice or fail to notice how the west coast loves their hiphop poster child(even tho he was born in NY)
      it ain’t really bout a PAC thing because that comes to opinion, but you niggas man think NY is the cream of the crop when lately everything comin out of the east has been pure bullshit (bp3)…

    • http://tonygrands.blogspot.com Tony Grands

      ^^^You forgot Ralphs, Food 4 Less & Gigante…

      • $ykotic/Don McCaine

        @ AGC

        “but you niggas man think NY is the cream of the crop…”

        ^^^This

        I don’t get that when I chill out with the homies. I get more questions about how is it over there more than anything else. Them NY cats who be doing that are the ones who just got out for the first time.

        And Cuban Linx 2 stays with me. BP3 is already in the armoire cubicle. But I’m playing BlaQKout by Quik & Kurupt now. 9x Outta 10, Cream N Ya Panties, BlaQKout the song & Hey Playa are hot.

        @ Grands

        My bad!

        • NotoriousAGC

          no disrespect syke but i aint understand what u said homie

        • $ykotic/Don McCaine

          No doubt. In summary, I don’t get NY hate living in the West & I clearly dress NY style. But I guess that’s more of a reflection of who I am, than where I’m from. I know Pac gets the upmost love over here.

          I listen to Quik & Kurupt more than BP3. Or Luni Coleone b4 Jim Jones. I would be a fool to believe there’s no good music beyond NY. I hear better plenty of times.

          Quick example, in NY I only knew 40 Water from “Tell Me When To Go” & The Source Ads. Came to the left and heard “Do Your Head Like This” on a jukebox & bugged out, spent two months going thru his catalog.

          Good music is everywhere.

  • NotoriousAGC

    funny how they call us cali people pac stans when they get wet over anything jayz,pun,nas,50 say,and they talk about mc’in NY mc’s are massively over-rated,cept biggie who did what no one in newyork has done quickly, MASTER his craft to perfection in 2 cd’s, jay-z had a lot of 5 out 10 tracks you guys consider hot just for the fact he wear a NY hat..shame…and lets not speak on (zzz borin) nas tracks or mcdonalds tracks fat pig makes…

  • ed-hova

    Damn, you a real live cock rider first you talk shit about a man who’s been dead for 13 years, then you talk shit about your own man that got beat up, like your a real live coward, no wonder you chose to be a writer, man the fuck up bitch!!!!!!!!

  • that nigga

    Combat Jack you faggot. I was ridin’ wit you on that overrated shit, even went as far to say B.I.G was too and you backslide like that. Damn, first the Fat Boys break up and now this!

    Pac still mad overrated. And Im ridin’ wit Knowledge on that.

  • macdatruest

    Pac say fuck Dre
    Dre say fuck Fiddy
    Pac say fuck Jay-Z
    Fiddy say fuck Jay-Z
    Pac say fuck Nas
    Jay-Z say fuck Nas
    Pac say fuck Biggie
    Nas say fuck Biggie
    Nas say fuck Jay-Z
    Fiddy say fuck Nas
    Jay-Z say fuck Fiddy….

    BUT WHO SAY FUCK PAC???????? NONE OF THESE NIGGAS!!! If these niggas is the goats, what that make Pac? A shepherd?

    • NotoriousAGC

      oooooooooooooooh on point
      they shoulda added the

      (comments wont nest below this level)
      but we all know they hate pac

      • chillin mayne

        dead that…biggie said f pac(mite as well with the disses) chino xl said F pac(in this rap game im tryin not to get raped like tupac in prison”)…

  • MidWest Grindin

    New York niggas, for the most part, are straight lames. They come around with that “dun-dunny”, “son”, “Yo God!” bullshit talk and think they the shit wearing Timbs in the summer. Yall niggas been soft ever since Snoop came thru and crushed them buildings! Not surprising to hear a New York nigga getting stomped while out of bounds (i mean town, lol)…yall niggas do think yall the shit and all gangsta, but most of yall’s bark is much more vicious than your bite. Even a nigga who i thought was a thug for real (Maino) came to Cleveland to do a song with my nigga for his album. He had like 10 goons with him, and they all came in the studio like checking it out before he came in and shit. Then right before he hit the door he takes his lil black rag off his neck and back pocket and puts them away cuz he see everybody flamed up outside on the block. He scary. East Coast niggas dont give Pac his props cuz he crushed yall idols.

    • NotoriousAGC

      the thing was these NY peeps thought they “mc’s” were untouchable and 1 MAN LITERALLY (liked you said) CRUSHED them all…

  • macdatruest

    Combat Jack just pulled a “Loso On Twitter” aka a Loso aka sayin something for controversy and pulling out. Combat Wack lookin ass boy

  • Mikey F Baby

    What’s the best way a wack ass blogger can try and make himself relevant? Diss Pac naturally. I’m not readin no more of this Combat Jack bullshit. Where’s Bol when you need him, atleast he’s entertaining

  • Fon Z

    Thug Life aint no joke homie…

    we straight but neva forget who da dopest is!

    2PAC = G.O.A.T.

  • SOUTHERNBREED

    I can respect your opinion.
    I can’t respect a nigga that jumps someone over a person that they never met or knew. I am a Pac fan, somethings he did I didn’t agree with but, I would not touch anyone over their opinion about him. That is what makes everybody unique, u should have your own opinions and like who u like. Pac may not be ur favorite, I can’t get mad at that. There is too many rappers to choose from and that is what makes Hip Hop. Besides Pac, I am a fan of Method Man, Sean Price, Kurupt and Scarface. So that doesn’t mean that I am a all out Pac fan, some people take things to far, sometimes to obsession.

  • http://myspace.com/blublack bLUBLACK

    IS IT OUR FAULT THAT WHEN A NEW YORK DUDE GOES OUT OF TOWN, AND DONT ACT LIKE A REAL NEW YORK CAT,HE GETS FUCK UP, NEW YORK DUDES GOT SWAGG, WE ARE THE HOME OF IT, WE DONT HATE ON OTHER CATS CAUSE WE KNOW WE THEM DUDES. WHY CAUSE IF WE DIDNT CREATE HIPHOP, WHICH THE HOME IS THE BRONX, WE WOULDNT BE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION. A REAL NEW YORK DUDE SHOWS LOVE TO ALL STATES, CAUSE EVERY STATE GOT HOODS AND REAL NIGGAS, DC NIGGAS DONT LIKE NEW YORK DUDES CAUSE DRUG DEALERS FROM N.Y,IN THE 80S TO 90S, HARLEM U.S.A., BROOKLYN, BRONX, QUEENS,SIL, DUDES WENT DOWN THERE AND RAN SHIT AND KILLED MADD DUDES THERE. DC DUDES KILLED MAD N.Y NIGGAS FOR COMING DOWN THERE TRYING TO RUN SHIT. SO THATS WHY DC DONT LIKE N.Y. NY NIGGAS CAN GO ANY WHERE AND GET MADD ASS, CAUSE ALL WR GOT TO SAY IS WE FROM N.Y, BUT THEY KNEW THAT AS SOON AS THEY SEE US, AND YALL NIGGAS GET MAD, STOP BEING BITCHES, YALL KNOW WHAT IT IS,HIPHOP LEAVES N.Y EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS TO CHILL IN ANOTHER STATE, CAUSE HIPHOP IS UNIVERSEAL, EVERY HOOD IN THE WORLD GOT A DIFFERENT WAY TO HOW THEY DO THEIR MUSIC, YOU CANT FRONT ON SOMEONE WHOS SPITTING HIS LIFE THREW MUSIC,SO MANY RAPPERS TALK ABOUT HOWS EVER GOT THE RIGHT LINGO FOR THE MONTH,PAC WAS ALL ABOUT REAL LIFE SHIT, HOW CAN YOU FRONT ON REAL TALK.MUSIC HASNT BIN THE SAME IN NEW YORK CAUSE WE HATE ON EACHOTHER, EVERY DUDE THINKS HE CAN TAKE OVER, THATS OUR PROBLEM, WE CREATED IT, HIPHOP, KOOL HERC,THE FATHER, I SEE HIM IN HIS CADDY, DRIVING THREW ON ANY GIVEN DAY,SO THE PLAYING FEILD IS LEVELED NOW, HIPHOP CAN GO ANY WHERE, EASTCOAST,WESTCOAST,MIDWEST,DOWN SOUTH,OVER SEAS,EVER WHERE, BUT THE HOME OF SWAGG AND HIPHOP IS WHERE, NEW YORK, GET OVER IT ALREADY. AND WE WILL BRING IT BACK, HOLLA (MYSPACE.COM/BLUBLACK)BRONX TO BROOKLYN, ALLDAY.

    • Ayre

      Well, You’re right, NY cats did bring Crack down here to DC and pretty much set up shop. There was a bloody war to control the sales and eventually NY cats lost. The animosity never stopped because like CJ said NY dudes are arrogant.

      • giantstepp

        Hold tha fuck up!! Im born and breed, SE DC, check the record. NY dudes did come here back in the day and got some change. However, if they were allowed that privelige (sp) it was because they showed love and broke bread with us, thus earning a pass. Not because they strong armed some shit!! It was enough money for everybody. Taking over a town might work in the country, but not here my dudes. NEVER happened! We were averaging almost 500 bodies a year here during the mid to late 80′s. We have never rode NY dick, period!!!Im 39 now and dont advocate that shit, but i lived it as a youngsta. We have always had our own style here (ie GoGo etc) and didnt then, nor now, give a shit about a NY dude. Alpo for example got a pass to get some change here because he had a co-sign from stone cold DC KILLAS, after he broke bread. All fact…

  • Brooklyn

    cj, you should have never posted this shit today, because it seems as if you’re trying to soften your position just because a bunch of mentally unhinged e-thugs reminded you of some unfortunate incident involving a friend of yours way back when. i said it yesterday and i’ll say it again, tupac was not the greatest, and i don’t give a fuck about these niggas on the internet, everyone is entitled to their opinion. tupac fans accuse everyone of forcing biggie down their throats and ignore the fact that they force tupac down everyone’s throats. some people don’t like tupac, he didn’t inspire everyone, that’s the way it is. you can’t get mad at a nigga because he thinks pac is overrated just like i can’t get mad at a nigga that don’t like big, pun, or big l. different people have different tastes, as long as he can concisely and insightfully explain his reasons for not liking pac, then that’s all that’s required.

  • CrunchyBlack187

    @Brooklyn…I respect what you wrote, not everyone likes Pac. But Combat Jack didn’t just say reasons why he doesn’t like Pac, he critisized Pac’s work and was calling all of his albums wack and corny. In my opinion he shouldn’t have posted either of these because obviously he just wanted to provoke responses from people.

    • Brooklyn

      i understand, but maybe to him, tupac’s albums were wack and corny. i don’t agree with that viewpoint, i can agree with tupac fans in that i believe that he did have an impact on rap music, that there will never be another tupac, and that most of his catalogue consisted of classics, but not to the extent where we’re calling him the greatest to ever do it. i agree, cj did post that because he wanted a response, and he got one, about 10,000 tupac fans bayying for his blood. however, i’m of the opinion that if you have the balls to say something, you need to have the balls to take the backlash. if he’s gonna write a five paragraph blog on why he doesn’t think tupac is the goat, on his opinion of tupac’s music, and his criticisms of the man, then he needs to maintain that point and not write a followup blog where’s he’s apologizing in all but name. maybe i’m just a stubborn ass motherfucker, but once i put the last period in yesterday’s post, it would have been deaded, and today would have been something new.

  • these posts are racist

    CJ, when did you go to Gtown law? I got accepted there…but went to a top 5 law school instead.

    RIP Tupac, the GOAT.

  • Proj

    Pac wasn’t even relevant in that story. They coulda been bumpin Los Lonely Boys, and dude says some shit about them.

    Bottom line, he didn’t have a pass, them kids were lookin for a scrap. Who the fuck rolls around with locks on shoe strings unless they waitin for someone to say something.

    That story didn’t have shit to do with Pac.

  • http://www.thisizgame.com iamurdaddysceaminmurda

    yo you guys outta get a slap. 2pac noone could ever rap like 2pac. hit em up, toss it up, to live and die in LA, californa love, lil homies, smoke weed all day, ambitionz as a ryda, still ballin, im think you all get the drift. im a white boi from canada…we got much love for 2pac up here in the great north… you talk smack about him up here you’ll end up just like this stupid mofo from new york… but it wont be a hole group of dudes… we dont roll like that.. just one dude that makes you feel like there five of us…get to know us

    • NotoriousAGC

      (disregard this dudes comments please)

    • chillin mayne

      iamurdaddy…isolate yourself from all media for 2 months please…turn off all music, turn off your TV and just think….meditate, ponder…wow…your statement really communicates how messed up your outlook on life is

  • Burnsy316

    Biggie is just as overated…dude sounds nice on an album but can’t put three words together without gasping for air… and didn’t have the same messages as Pac or the raw emotion.

  • newyawka631

    LOud mouth Newyawka ova hea Matthew….U know in high school niggaz called u HERB so much,u made it your alias….O.G get da fuck adda hea…..Let me guess like Tony Grand,that IS your real last name….Whatta fucking bird…

    All u unemployment collecting niggaz,go cop that 50 cent album at Target….$9.99 wit da DVD…….Da motherland, New Yawk all fucking day.

  • b

    Music fuckin’ pisses me off nowadays. You can’t have an opinion without dudes shitting themselves over it.

  • http://www.justice.gov.za GO-Getta’

    U r on ur way of b’cumin’ 1 of my fav bloggers now even tho i gave u a lotta heat 4 keeping ur post 2 long.

    I appriciate ur gesture CJ. Who is’nt over-rated?,none.
    Pac’s music get me thru a lot.It’s hard 2 find that in 2days music but hop – hop ain’t dead so there’s hope.

  • DSOD

    I don’t think you can relate to what Tupac embodies if you werent at least in your early 20′s in the early to mid 1990′s. Its easy to sit back in 2009 and say he was overrated but in his days he was untouchable. Too many rap fans confuse dictionary rhyming with talent. I would rather listen to music and lyrics that inspire rather than lyrics that rhyme but mean nothing. He paved the way for a lot of you little kids favorite rappers today and although often imitated he is never duplicated.

  • KingKnot

    You claim 2pacalypse was wack.
    “Trapped”, “Soulja’s Story”, “If My Homie Calls”,
    “Brenda’s Got a Baby”, “Part Time Mutha”- say that the album was worthwhile.

    You claim Tupac tried to become Bishop in real life. The only parallels between Bishop and mid 90′s 2pac was the aggression. Bishop’s main character trait is that he started to prey upon his own friends. Tupac NEVER preyed upon his own friends. He NEVER even talked negative about Digital Underground or the Outlawz. He was about the preservation of the closest people around him not the elimination. So your “He trying to become Bishop” argument is invalid.

    Now the greatest rapper debate. That may possibly be debatable but you know what is not? Tupac was the GREATEST VOICE FOR THE BLACK COMMUNITY IN THE 1990′S. Just like King and Malcolm X were in the 1960′s. And Gil Scott Heron in the 1970′s, and I’d have 2 say Jesse Jackson in the 1980′s based on the strength of his presidential runs. 1990′s belonged to Pac even though he only saw about 60% of it.

    • these posts are racist

      Co-Sign.

  • Iamlegend

    Now when i came out i said this was just about biggie/then everybody had 2 open they mouth wit a muthafuckin opinion/ so this is how we goin do this fuck mobb deep/fuck combat jack/ fuck badboy as a staff a record label and as a muthafuckin crew and if u wanna be down wit combat jack fuck u 2.

  • http://danjlovesthe90s.wordpress.com DANJ!

    “Tupac was the GREATEST VOICE FOR THE BLACK COMMUNITY IN THE 1990′S. Just like King and Malcolm X were in the 1960’s”

    ^^^Quotes like this are exactly why Tupac Fans (not fans of Tupac) get shitted on like they do.

    -D!

  • KingKnot

    The 1st tier black voices who lost their lives (and some who didn’t) during the struggle for Civil Rights and equality in the 60′s are in a league of their own but what Pac did through cassettes and Cd’s in the 90′s makes him 1st ballot, Hall of Fame – top of the 2nd tier.

    Name a black voice who recorded in a booth or stood upon a soapbox that analyzed, dissected, and defined the poverty of the 80′s-90′s, the crack epidemic, broken homes w/addicted mothers, and the gun-toting street mentality better than 2Pac did? (while adding Hope to his commentary)

  • Real talk

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  • jimmy

    stay thugged out and keep it mooovvvin

  • lesane

    thug life baby

  • Big Time

    Hit Em Up!!!! LOL, Tupac been dead over 10 years and the hatters continue to hate.

  • zayzkidd

    Why didn’t you help Knowledge out? How did a group of thugs JUMP him when you were standing there? LAME. Anyway, if it weren’t for Pac dissing Biggie and Jigga, their careers would have been short lived.

  • Jhon da Analyst

    U can tell by my attitude that I’m most definitely from NY and I don’t give a fuck who doesnt like it. We speak our minds and oh yeah, I’ll make you a thug and motherfuckin famous when I light yo ass up wit dis heat. Fuck dem niggas Combat Jack!!!

  • Ka Oh

    I from BK, NY and I stay going to DC for last 10yrs + and all them DC cats wanna know is what’s the latest fashion, rappers, lingo in NY, and all they bump is east coast/NY music. At the end of the day DC is on the eastcoast. In my experience DC cats don’t wear or listening to anything useless it’s gets a NY stamp of approval.

    That being said West coast/Mid-west/Down South need to respect the architects. NY made this hip hop shit and perfected it.

  • kali

    You really dont know much about the person you keep writing about. Tupac defended his people, even strangers. He stopped the car he was driving in and had a shoot out with drunk cops who were harrassing a black man for no reason. He risked his life and freedom without a second thought. That is just one example. For you to say he bacame Bishop is just stupid. He protected his inner circle and was passionate about loyatly…thats why he took the first shooting so personal. He was a real person, not some character from a movie.

    His music speaks for itself. The tracks have meaning and passion.

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  • realtalk

    tupac=G.O.AT

  • kreep2nite

    I know outta town niggas who got shot in Queens for talkin shit bout Mobb Deep. Hip Hop has been always territorial.

  • ENWELIM SAMUEL MAKAVELI

    PAC IS A STRONG DUDE. A KNOWN DUDE.TO ME,THERE’S NO OTHER.PAC IS RAP.OTHERS RAP ON TUPAC.PAC INSPIRED ME TO BECOME WHAT I AM TODAY.I BELIEVE HE IS STILL ALIVE THOUGH IN THUGS MANSION.WHENEVER I’M DOWN,I PLAY TUPAC TU HOPE 4 SOME BETTER DAYZ.WHAT YA’LL THINK ‘BOUT THAT COZ I KNOW LIFE GOES ON.