David, Derrion and Dereon

David Mongan put me on to a Global Grind link proudly exclaiming that David Banner has answered Ruthell Thimmontheth call to acthion in the wake of Derrion Albert’s killing. Banner’s response comes in the form of a song entitled “Something Is Wrong”, a lament for the slain teen and a discussion of other societal ills.

I remember buying—not illegally downloading [this time], mind you–Mississippi: The Album on the strength of “Cadillac on 22s”. It’s not a brilliant song. Shit. It’s not even a particularly good song. But aside from being infectious, it showed me a thoughtful side of Banner that I didn’t get from “Like A Pimp”, “Fuck ‘Em” and “Might Getcha”, which were in heavy Mexico rotation. I gravitated toward the record and saw something more in Banner that made him intriguing enough of a figure to drop $15 or so on his album. I’d later discover “Fire Fallin’”, “Mississippi” and his charge that northerners need come on home to the south and get somethin’ to eat. These set the backdrop for the socially conscious, but conflicted, oft misguided and… well, ignorant figure that Banner has become.

Being the most vocal at a given point in time doesn’t intrinsically make one the smartest or most influential. Shit, everybody and Bow Wow is jawing over Albert’s death and inner-city violence all of a sudden. Hopefully Banner’s influence isn’t strong enough to get people fucking with “Something Is Wrong” like it’s some Public Enemy shit. Fuck am I saying? Of course it isn’t. But, still…

[Blogger’s Note: If The Negro Channel asks you to participate in a panel discussion and the only panelist you can identify by name is Nelly, get the fuck up. Walk out. It’s a trap. You are being made a fool of.]

I understand the purpose of the first and second verses, but “Something Is Wrong” takes a very strange turn at the third. After another one of his heartfelt odes to the issues at the heart of inner-city violence, Banner takes a very Jamaican turn and attacks homosexuality at what he believes to be its very core.

Are we supposed to gather that Banner believes gay men to be the product of sexual abuse? Even better, are we to believe that Banner drove by a young man in Apple Bottom jeans, and stopped his car for conversation? The obviously fictional dialogue in Banner’s verse shows how little interaction he must really have with the gay community, which obviously affords him the luxury of speaking authoritatively on matters of homosexuality.

Banner’s not new to convoluted logic as it pertains to sexual orientation. I remember walking away from Mississippi: The Album wondering if this nigga really thought the absence of fathers from nuclear families makes boys gay. By this charge, 90% of Harlem must be gay, because I didn’t see a child with a father for miles growing up. When we finally found such a mythical beast on an enchanted journey below 96th Street, we captured him and detained him for observation.

Ruthell may have called Banner to address political matter du-jour—put a pin in that, we’ll get back to it—but I am calling Banner to actually listen to the stories of young, black homosexual men. There’s more to the gay community than the “turnout” cases we ghetto negroes associate with prison and rape. I’m sure he’ll find that far more gay men have found torment in persecution for being themselves than from paternal rape or abandonment.

Banner should go talk to a group of these young men instead of the corner boy transvestite of his hallucinations. After listening to their stories with an open mind, he should rewrite that third verse. After all, it is ignorance—the greatest of dangers—that kills most. It turns the boys in the House of Dereon jeans into Derrion Alberts the world over.

As for Uncle Ruthell, maybe we thould get a bunth of rapperth to discuth economic rethponthibility and the conflict thurrounding the African diamond trade?

Questions? Comments? Requests? Is that black snake yawning or moaning? ron@ronmexicocity.com

  • http://tonygrands.blogspot.com Tony Grands

    “After all, it is ignorance—the greatest of dangers—that kills most. It turns the boys in the House of Dereon jeans into Derrion Alberts the world over”

    ^^^^^Real talk, Mex. Way to drive that point home.

    J7M

  • Mr. North

    [Blogger’s Note: If The Negro Channel asks you to participate in a panel discussion and the only panelist you can identify by name is Nelly, get the fuck up. Walk out. It’s a trap. You are being made a fool of.]

    LMFAO

    STL Stand Up!!!

  • G2

    Didn’t Uncle Ruckus, I mean Russell say that it was irresponsible to even say “Blood Diamonds”?

  • Chilly Willy

    “Questions? Comments? Requests? Is that black snake yawning or moaning? ”
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Awesome!

    Isn’t it ironic that this particular black SNAKE have something against APPLE bottoms. Not trying to out-reverend Mr Run but had the snake liked the apple, he wouldn’t have given it to the naked lady in the first place, and we’ll be in fuckin paradise right now !

    Sorry,……kissing the sky again…..won’t hap’n anymore…….baked post is a bitch….

    • $ykotic/Don McCaine

      “but had the snake liked the apple, he wouldn’t have given it to the naked lady in the first place, and we’ll be in fuckin paradise right now !”

      You’ve been reading Mike Bigga’s post too long.
      LOL

      David Banner needs an “Enter The Dragon” mirror check.

  • capcobra

    Hopefully Banner’s influence isn’t strong enough to get people fucking with “Something Is Wrong” like it’s some Public Enemy shit. Fuck am I saying? Of course it isn’t. But, still…that’s some funny shit.

  • chillin mayne

    “when we finally found such a mythical beast……”
    mwa ja jaaaaaaaaaaaa that sentence had me guffawing and knee slapping…

  • scoobsnax

    ok, so I’ve been growing more and more suspicious for a while now….

    Ronnie Mex, are you a homosexual?

  • caino

    Good post mex! When will these rappers get off the gay’s nuts! (lol no homo)

    Not every problem in america is caused by the ‘gays’! But l suppose y’all need to blame someone and we all like lesbians right…..

  • General

    Focus, Focus, Focus….

    Why am I not suprised that someone would put out a song in response to this tragedy in Chicago and then ruin it by throwing in some bullshit at the end…

    I understand that hip hop culture is extremely homophobic, but being that as it may, Derrion Albert’s death is not a tragedy to piggyback those feelings onto…

    Not to mention the people in the mainstream that give a shit about our problems are going to hear that third verse, and say nevermind

  • giantstepp

    I like David Banner, really I do. I think that he has a voice that can offer some positive things to the youngstas. At times tho, steps out his lane by thinking he is more than what he is.

  • Brooklyn

    “Banner’s not new to convoluted logic as it pertains to sexual orientation. I remember walking away from Mississippi: The Album wondering if this nigga really thought the absence of fathers from nuclear families makes boys gay. By this charge, 90% of Harlem must be gay, because I didn’t see a child with a father for miles growing up. When we finally found such a mythical beast on an enchanted journey below 96th Street, we captured him and detained him for observation.”

    that shit was hilarious, but true as hell. if that’s the case, then 99% of the niggas in brownsville would be gay, cuz damn near every nigga’s pops is either in jail, dead, strung out, or living with some other bitch in some other spot. when i was in kindergarten niggas was mystified with the fact that not only did i know my father, but he wasn’t a crackhead, junkie, alcoholic, and he had a job.

    • http://tonygrands.blogspot.com Tony Grands

      Word.

      When I was growing up, all the neighborhood kids would always be @ my apartment, & they’d all rant & rave about how cool my Dad was. They’d talk to him, get mad if I got all mouthy [||], defend him when I said some shit after he walked away, & it would baffle me that these fools were on his side.

      In retrospect, they didn’t have fathers @ all, so while I’m complaining about a man loving & protecting me, they wished they had that. That’s a sad state of affairs. To this day, I saw grown ass men who ask me about my dad.

      I can kind of see where it all starts, because all the kids in my son’s first grade class talk to me when they see me, even the one’s who’s mothers have been obviously so destroyed by a man that they roll their contact-tinted eyes @ me & squeeze their lesbian lovers hand harder. Yeah, I was going to ask for YOUR number, she-hulk.

      • Brooklyn

        yeah, niggas would tell me how cool my father was, but of course i didn’t see that. in hindsight, i realize that i was lucky as hell, because although my father didn’t live with me and my moms, he was always a phone call away, and when i needed something, he would look out, even though he’d give me a long ass lecture about being appreciative and grateful etc.

      • The Fedz

        The shit is sad but I know where you coming from. Before I moved my kids out of the city to a suburb for better schools, I was the only father ever in any of they classes. Its sad cause you could see how these kids wished somebody gave a damn about them.

        Sadly I’m the only father any of my nieces and nephews know either. These kids got complexes cause of the no daddy thing, but aint none of them homo. But I dont blame it all on the men though. Most of these kids fathers was kids when they had them. The women are picking men based on how bad (which will later transalate into pitiful when they hit 25).

        I got a nephew who daddy was killed, he gets a check for 78 dollars a month. You mean to tell me a man 26 only paid enough into the SS system for 78 dollars, why have a baby by this nigga. My daddy died once I was grown but I got a kids sister, she gets 800 a month look at that parallel. If women wont stop having babies with adults that aint men this cycle will continue. They got to ask and expect better for themselves.

        • http://tonygrands.blogspot.com Tony Grands

          Man, I have four nieces whose father is locked up for who knows how long. The one man-ish figure they have doesn’t give a fuck about himself, so you know where that trickles down to. When I come around, I’m turning off Lil Wayne, changing cable stations, telling them how a young lady should act, & the only person who seems to see my intentions is their Greatgrandmother. But, @ some point I realize I can only do so much, & the road to Hell is pathed with good intentions.

          @ my son’s school, the “fathers” are so far & few between that we ALL know each other on a first name basis.

          I’m down here in Loisiana right now, & I’m the ONLY man in a family full of women & children. A substantial amount of fatherless kids. The ladies steady telling kids, “Tell Tony, he’ll get ‘em in line”, but wtf? I can’t be everybody’s dad. I wish I could though, because this generational shit is getting worse by the baby.
          & let us not forget how these women are fucking shit up too; it’s not all the mens’ faults. These broads need to look in the mirror & teach their daughters what it’s like to make enormous mistakes with life-altering reprecussions. Chasing good men away because their mom’s did that to their father’s. Shit’s beyond horrid. & the worst part is, I honestly don’t see anything changing for the better. Ever.

        • these posts are racist

          Tony,

          I’m pissed at you homey…but that’s the realest shit right there. I won’t even elaborate homey, Co-Sign…see the signs…but these muthfuckers is blind…so fuck it rewind…the stars are all lined…but the souls are dying.

        • http://tonygrands.blogspot.com Tony Grands

          Pissed @ me? No you’re not, fam.

          Good looks.

  • Worley

    “are we to believe that Banner drove by a young man in Apple Bottom jeans, and stopped his car for conversation?”

    That was some wild imagery. I’m still laughing thinking about some sh*t like that going down. Can’t wait to read it again…after I light up.

    @Grands and Brooklyn: I know exactly what you mean. Growing up I hated my pops for being so strict and for not always having the cashflow so I could do what I wanted to do. But now as a grown man, I know how hard it is to make ends meet without kids. I can only imagine the sacrifice involved in being a real, living with the child’s mother and going to work in the morning dad. Salute to all the fathers out there. One day ya little ones will understand.

  • these posts are racist

    Ron,

    I love this drop. Your writing is sick and real. I never allow myself to get into the convo about the “cause” of homosexuality. It’s apparent that anyone who engages in this discussion is driven by bigotry, period. The human being, as my grandma would tell me, is sad creature. How a man can be so passionate and vocal re: one form of bigotry/racism and oppression, yet use his oppressors very logic and rationalization to justify another against another group of people – is indeed sad.

    • General

      Thats some real shit TPAR, well put

      • these posts are racist

        good look…General.

  • chillin mayne

    the cause of homosexuality does not always proceed from the same source anyhow…….or actually does it?..biblicly speaking, it can… hmmmm

    anyhow, id rather have banner cover this, than say……ron artest…..abysmal

  • Chilly Willy

    The common ground for all religion is the love of mankind and respect of nature. There ain’t no “holy scripture” that could justify homophobia, whatever the culture may be.

    Blame it on bigotry, on narrow-mindedness, on douchery, on ignorance, on misinformation, all of which are flaws that can be rectified. But don’t eveer try to defend that shit with a God prescription.

    Any kind of phobia towards a certain group is just bigotry that makes people think they can forge a sound judgment on sight on the whole group based on what they saw, or thought they saw from one individual. And from that judgment they procede to do that person or that group harm.

    The real problem with racism (based on skin color, because, let’s face it there’s even racism between whites and between blacks) is the fact that people judge you from 50 km because it’s obvious that you’re black. You don’t have no say in the matter. Blacks don’t come out the closet. They just blacks. At least the other groups that are discriminated against can try to have an interaction with people prior to them being misjudged, though I don’t know if it’s really an advantage. Other than that it’s the same fuckin thing.

  • Enlightened

    You’re oversimplifying what dude said (I didn’t even hear the song)

    BUT

    Fact: SOME gay men (not all) were sexually assaulted at a very young age by men that they trust

    • Chilly Willy

      My man E! I totally cosign you on that.

      Other fact : SOME heterosexual have been assaulted by man they trust. So where does that leave us ?

      To the best of my knowledge, there ain’t no poll or surveys about the proportion homo vs hetero in that situation. Obviously, the argument is moot in that aspect. And I think that was the point Ron was tryna make.

      • chillin mayne

        chilly your right there IS no holy scripture that justifies homo-phobia i was not justifying hating on anybody based on how they live their life…..i meant biblically speaking there is 1 source for homosexuality, lying, murder, adultery, hatred, etc.etc.(satan)…..1 corinthians chapter 6 verse 9 and 10…also Romans chpater 1 verses 26 & 27 shows that homosexuality is wrong…

        however i agree in no way that homosexuals should be regarded as less than humans, because sin is still sin, whether it be laying with another man, fornicating, lying, killing, stealing, etc…

      • $ykotic/Don McCaine

        @ CW

        hit me with ure email…

      • caino

        Peeps talking about being gay as if they caught that shit like a disease as a kid !! People are born gay they dont turn gay !

        On another note Tony & Brooklyn talked the real shiiiit, about being a pops. My pops was a strict Catholic therfore l have the guilt following me everywhere, but now that l’m a father,l realise what he done was for my own good, and l realise the sacrafices that he made, due to the sacrafices l make with my own kids!

  • sevdemy

    I’m from Mississippi, where niggas die like its in style…and even WE think David Banner is a fucking idiot. They should have never gave that nigga money!!!