BLOG: Who Really Got Ethered?


So with all of this Saigon/Budden business driving the net crazy me and the homeboy DJ Daddy Mack got into a heated AIM debate about the Jay/Nas battle. Now those that know me, know that I go against the grain on this one and I have often argued with other staff members that Jay had the better joints in his spat with Nas—and the only reason that folks sided with Nas was because Jay was on top and people loved to see a giant fall. And DJ DM wrote a blog where he sided with Nas, a few months ago.

BTW I’m glad that Joey and Sai-Gitty have already got the peace talks poppin’; can we get a collabo now?

RobtheMusicEd: So I peeped ya post, you really think Nas won that battle?

DJ Daddy Mack: Hands down. No doubt about it.

RobtheMusicEd: Why?

DJ Daddy Mack: Because of how the people and Jay-Z himself responded. We all heard Jay on Hot 97 that day. What did he do? Got desperate and did “Super Ugly.” Jay was against the wall. He tried to shoot with a blindfold on.

RobtheMusicEd: So Nas won because of “how people responded?” That’s weak. If your baby mom was a hoe, I’d make a song about it too. The fact is Jay based his whole plan of attack off of straight facts from “Takeover” to “Superugly.” Nas based his off of emotion, so who wins?

RobtheMusicEd: It actually takes more skills to breakdown someone’s career and where it faltered like Jay did to Nas in “Takeover” then to say “You have dick sucking lips” and you look like a “camel.”

DJ Daddy Mack: Look, who got depressed? Nas hurt Jay. Got stronger after “Ether?” More like a downfall if you look at Jay’s whole empire. Jay is a known swagger jacker. After “Super Ugly” dropped, Nas said he was disappointed in Jay. That’s why he did not respond. All he needed was “Ether.” Jay was always disappointed that Nas did not get on his debut album. I’m mean come on. Jay could write a book on Nas’ life. He followed this cat’s every move.

RobtheMusicEd: Jay is known as a swagger jacker? When you think of Jay that’s the first thing you think of? I’m sorry I thought he was an innovator, a lyricist, a businessman and one of hip-hop’s greatest artists. My bad. We all followed Nas’s every move. Illmatic was CLASSIC! And Nas is one of our greatest artists as well. But I’m talking about the battle.

DJ Daddy Mack: I guess being an innovator is stealing shit from other people. Who knew?

RobtheMusicEd: If you listen to Takeover Jay didn’t say not one disrespectful line. It was all about music. Then we get to “Ether” and Nas starts with the dick sucking lips lines, so Jay talks about his baby’s moms and all of a sudden that is out of bounds? This is hip-hop fuck that. And how does saying you have dick sucking lips constitute as lyricism? Then when he goes “Rockefeller died from AIDS and that’s who you named your company after.” John D. Rockefeller didn’t die from AIDS. See to me it takes more skill to rhyme the truth (or some aspect of it, because Jay was definitely Bias), then to straight say things like “Gay-Z and Cockafella”

DJ Daddy Mack: NaS is not the smartest person in the world. I can agree with that. In that past, he has said many things that were just totally wrong. But really, I’m not saying “Super Ugly” was wack. It is just not as good as “Ether.”

RobtheMusicEd: You can’t compare “Ether” to “Super Ugly.” “Ether” was a response to “Takeover” so how come no one ever compares those two? “Super ugly” was a mere freestyle and he did that in like a day. And it was still rooted in fact; he slept with dude’s baby moms. Fuck that, game over!

What do ya’ll feel?

  • http://www.xxlmag.com jackpot

    XXL, why the hell ya’ll ain’t fixing the comments? I’ve been trying to post a comment for 6 minutes and it’s not working. SMH!

    • G.O.D.

      ETHER WAS NOT LYRICAL AT ALL, IT WAS JUST THE EQUIVALENT OF PLAYIN DOZENS. JAY JUST BROUGHT THE PROJECTS OUT OF NAS,AND THE HOOD LOVED IT CUZ THEY WASNT EXPECTIN THAT FROM ‘NASTRADAMUS’… SO NAS WON THAT BATTLE, BUT HE DIDNT WIN THE WAR.

      SUPERUGLY WAS BRUTAL, AND NAS NEVER RESPONDED CUZ HE COULDNT.

      PS NAS IS A BISEXUAL. HE BROUGHT IT UP ON HIS 1ST ALBUM, AND THATS WHY HE WAS MAKING ALL THOSE HOMO REFERENCES.

      “AND SINCE YOU INFATUATED WITH SAYIN DAT GAY SHIT…GUESS U WAS KISSIN MY DICK WHEN U WAS KISSIN DAT B*CH”(JAY MF HOVA)

      • Mc Nuggets

        you interpreted that quote wrong…he meant you were kissing the same lips that sucked his dick.

      • jaywade

        he talked about jay being ugly cause he is kinda ugly, but because of all that pimp talk jay was talkin, girls, girls, girls, and nas was just sayin he only hits chicks cause his money, which aint completely true, he gotta have some game. and who cares about his baby moms being a ho? a lot of yalls moms were ho’s back in the day. jay aint spit just the facts on takeover talkin all nas’ albums week. ill take i am over roclafamilia and some of that life and times shit. i fuck with nastradamus and i am. nas is the king, jay right there beside him.

      • http://www.TheDMVunderground.com Spellcheck

        Quick question, how many of Biggie’s rhymes are gonna come out of Jay’s fat lips? I mean y’all are so caught up on three words(dick sucking lips), which weren’t even a punchline, Nas pretty much just threw it in to keep his flow going, that you’re forgetting just how sick Ether was.

        No doubt Jay-Z’s diss on Takeover where he summarizes Nas’s career is dope: “Four albums in ten years nigga? I can divide
        That’s one every let’s say two, two of them shits was due
        One was – Nahhh, the other was “Illmatic”
        That’s a one hot album every ten year average”

        Just don’t forget Nas flipped it and did the same thing right back when he summed up Jay’s career: “Is he Dame Diddy, Dame Daddy or Dame Dummy? Oh, I get it, you Biggie and he’s Puffy.”

        And maybe Nas got the whole AIDs thing wrong, but if we are gonna ignore the 5 albums worth of lines Hova has bitten–which I’m willing to do cuz let’s face it, with the exception of the stuff he stole from Biggie, Snoop, Rakim, and Slick Rick, Jay just makes the lines sound better–then I think we can forgive one untruth for the very same reason, It sounds good. Don’t pretend that you’ve never said something untruthful to insult somebody, have you ever called someone a motherfucker? See my point?

        Politicians do it all the time, even Obama used attack ads. Sure it’s a dirty trick but it wins election, or this case, it wins beefs.

        And if you still can’t get over the Aids thing, which was only one line, then maybe the score of other clever insults drawn from fact will do it for you: “Y’all impatiently waiting. It’s like an AIDS test, what’s the results? Not positive. Who’s the best? Pac, Nas and Big”

        “This for dolo and it’s manuscript, just sound stupid/When KRS already made an album called Blueprint”

        “Foxy got you hot ’cause you kept your face in her puss
        What you think, you getting girls now ’cause of your looks?”

        Of course there’s more but this is post’s already pretty long, so I’ll try to avoid quoting the whole damn song.

        And as for Super Ugly, despite the fact that it was done in only like one day, it’s still weak compared to both Ether and Takeover. Jay-Z let his ego get in the way of his usually stellar business sense which would have told him to wait at least another day to bring the first and second verses up to par. “Damn I’m only worth over 100 million/Look I got beef with like 100 children”?? Is it just me or is that wack? C’mon Hova, you’re better than that shit man. Couldn’t you have just bitten something from Big L again to replace that?

        And though the last verse is pretty damn vicious–although some people, myself not included, think it’s a little too vicious–if you count them up there are really only six lines in the entire song that could be construed as truly def; and that’s being generous.

        Also Nas’s rhyme schemes in general were more complicated than Hova’s and his flow slightly more complex or at the very least quicker and–Jay-Z likes to come in the tiniest bit after the beat which gives his flow a very cool almost laid back feel but I think in a battle you need more energy which is why the beat for takeover was so damn good–neither of those necessarily make it better though.

        And although I think Nas should have a couple points docked for not responding to Super Ugly, Jay also lost points in a lot of peoples’ mind for what he said in Super Ugly and for not adequately responding to Ether. In the end it should be pretty clear to the objective listener that Nas won this beef.

        And if you disagree, “ask Russell Simmons”

    • Thomas

      Why do people forget Jay-Z song Blueprint2 on Blueprint2. “Just cuz you don’t understand him don’t mean that he nice, just means you don’t understand all the bullshit that he writes.” I mean c’mon, in the end Jay cleans it up with clever respectful lyrics. And Jay’s voice is more melodic and his music is moving and epic in that song …. you know, it makes you think of a battle.

      • Pierzy

        We don’t forget that…it was a pretty good song, but for a battle it was pretty weak. Nas didn’t even have to respond.

        “That little homie Jungle is a garden to me”?? Really?

        • Blizzie Mac

          pierzy u gotta be dumb, deaf, or plain retarted to not think that line wasnt ill im from ny and i respected that whole battle i used to race home from school @ 3pm, tune into angie mar and wait for a response..but blueprint 2 is what did it for me listen to that whole song the shit is pure fact. but in reference to that line “and your little homie JUNGLE is a GARDEN to me” LMFAO if he didnt chump jungle with that line then your a dickhead lol i knew a few niggas back in the day with the alias Jungle and they would get tight when u referred them to something smaller than that….garden, plant, grass, forest..so when i heard that shit i just start CRACKIN UP!

          BROOKLYN! TOMPKINS! BED STUY!

        • http://newgoldenera.com spirit equality

          in the exchange above, the nas defender says the battle ended with super ugly. it didn’t. the battle continued with blueprint 2 then nas went on to dedicate multiple subliminal shots to jay on god’s son, after sending numerous subliminal and not-so-subliminal shots to jay through illmatic (like on last real n***a alive, which was a blatant lie starting with the title).

          it’s a shame when someone discusses a battle and takes a stand without knowing what they’re talking about.

          nas lost. nas signed to jay, now without jay nas’ career will flounder. he’s stuck on def jam for a few more albums and they have no idea how to market him, hence the sales for the The N

      • I love Ether too but yeah Jay won

        I agree Thomas, I actually think Blueprint 2 might be the best one, an epic battle song with that Ennio Morricone sample of that song from The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly. “Can’t yall see that he’s fake, the rap version of td jakes, prophesizin on your cds and tapes”
        And I hate to say it cause Nas is great, but that’s true. Even on the latest Nas, on slyfox, he says “they own youtube, myspace” talking about Murdoch and NewsCorp, who own Fox, which would be a cool line if it were true. But nope, just like a whole bunch of nas lines, like the Rockefeller one mentioned above, Nas has got to start checking the facts on rumors he hears, they do not own youtube (they do own myspace).

    • jay

      nas def one battle break down the lyrical content and how he patterened the lyrics and how he disrespected jay where it hurts talking how he stole B.I.G’s style nas didnt care about babymoms bc he new she was a hoe from jump,if this was the 80′s jayz career would have been done with but since hiphop is trash he made it out.jayz’s needed beyonce to revitilize his career went on a sprite tour with all underground artist to gather a hiphop fanbase again and did songs with talib,dead prez which they prob wont even be able to contact jayz these days so lets judge this on hiphop not on facts on a record which doesnt mean shit bc rap is WWF so step yall hiphop knowledge up kids…

    • http://XXLMAG.COM INTERNET BULLY

      NAS SAID 33 SHOTS BETWEEN TWIN GLOCKS… JAY-Z GAVE NAS 33 MILLION TO SIGN WITH DEFJAM PLUS 3 MILLION FOR EVERY PROJECT HE DOES THERE… SO JAY PAID NAS 1 MILLION FOR EVERY BULLET NIGGA…TELL ME WHO WON?

  • http://tonygrands.blogspot.com tony grand$

    How was that 5 pc?

    Hope u washed it down with a milkshake (no homo).

  • Sadam Insane

    Nas won that shit hands down….he destroyed not only Jay, bu the whole Damn label

  • http://hiphoponmymind.blogspot.com DJ Daddy Mack

    I def. said more than this. -_-

    This guy does not seem to think that this battle was like a chess game. NaS had a plan. If you guys read “Art of War,” ya would know. Jay thought he had a plan only to ether himself. “Takeover” is overlook because of how desperate and sad “Super Ugly” was.

    I just find it funny that NaS and Jay still get at each other. ex. “My President,” “Black Republicans,” and “I Do It for Hip Hop.” I actually wrote a blog about it the day after I did this one.

    But really tho, thank you goes out to Rob for having this convo with me. This is something that will be talked about for ages.

    • Pierzy

      Why do people always forget the “Stillmatic” freestyle? I know it led to “Takeover” but, for a freestyle, it had some hot lines.

      And one song you forgot where they get at each other is “Success”:
      “…worst enemies wanna be best friends/best friends wanna be enemies like that’s what’s in”

      • http://hiphoponmymind.blogspot.com DJ Daddy Mack

        I was just including examples. I knew about “Success” as well. Nasir is a funny guy. But yea, people always forgot about that freestyle too. :-(

      • El Tico Loco

        I remember that he went at the whole Roc on that one killed it.

        Rip the FREEWAY, shoot through MEMPHIS with money bags
        Stop in Philly, order cheese steaks and eat BEANS fast
        And bring it back up top, remove the fake king of New York
        You show off, I count off when you sample my voice
        I rule you, before, you used to rap like the FU-SHNICKENS
        NAS designed your BLUEPRINT, who you kidding?
        Is he H TO THE IZZO, M TO THE IZZO?
        For shizzle you phony, the rapping version of SISQO

        left em sizzlin like tsssssssssss

      • A

        I didn’t forget the Stillmatic freestyle.
        Nas put the nail in the coffin with this one.

        Is he H TO THE IZZO, M TO THE IZZO?
        For shizzle you phony,
        the rapping version of SISQO
        And that’s for certain, you clone me,
        your wack clothes line
        I’d rather Sean John, bore me with your fake coke rhymes
        And those times, they never took place, you liar
        Un was your first court case, you had no priors
        You master fabricated stories of streets and sound slick
        Have you surrounded, you and the faggot you down with

        While they riding NAS, trying to boost their careers
        Corny as CORMEGA, all you Hip-Hop queers
        Since ILLMATIC, IT WAS WRITTEN: I AM…NASTRADAMUS
        That’s the answers to the puzzle I gave you, now here’s a promise
        My next few albums, instead of projects,
        They’ll be a difficult test inside the cover for the mind’s optics

  • Pierzy

    You must be joking. “Takeover” was sick and 99% of the hip-hop universe thought Nas was roadkill. But then “Ether” changed it all.

    The 2Pac drop of “Fuck Jay-Z”
    Ether’s hook is MUCH better than Takeover’s
    “In ’88…” Jay’s favorite year to rhyme about.

    And finally, what term has entered the lexicon? Do you say that somebody got “Taken over”? No, you say they got “Ethered” because that’s what happened to Jay. Even Jay stans were admitting that he lost. Even Jay admits he lost twice — first on “Blueprint 2″ and then, as mentioned, on “Brooklyn High.”

    When dude admits he lost, everyone else should agree too…

    • NAWLEDGE

      ^^^^^^
      COSIGN!

      I’ve been sayin this for a while now. Once a word coined by a rapper enters the Hiphop lexicon, it’s an EPIC WIN. Think about it, who was sayin “Stan” before Eminem?

    • http://hiphoponmymind.blogspot.com DJ Daddy Mack

      THAT IS MY POINT.

    • Rob The Music Ed

      Pierzy:
      I thought it was WEAK when Nas sampled Pac. Because right before Pac said “Fuck Jay-Z” he said “Fuck Nas”… I cant give him any points for that.

      Pac dissed both of ‘em and they rode his dick after he died. SMH.

      • Pierzy

        Rob,

        I understand and appreciate your point but if you believe Nas, he said that he and ‘Pac squashed it at the MTV Awards a few days before ‘Pac got shot. Also, I know ‘Pac dissed Nas, but he also did call him “the ringleader.”

      • A

        Dog, even Jay said it in his interview with Nas that Nas had him in a figure four leg lock. He Admitted to being desperate..

        I was scarface, jay was minolo.
        It hurt me when I had to kill him
        and his whole squad for dolo – NAS

  • http://www.xxlmag.com jackpot

    By the way, I almost forgot. Rob the Music Ed sniffs glue. Chea!

  • LBOOGS

    Good Post Rob, i agree wit you son. Although i think Ether was a brutal diss track, it was a response to takeover, a joint where Jay not only dismantled and anylyzed all of Nas’s career moves he shitted on mobb deep and whoever else was throwing shots at him at the time. Granted his Blueprint 2 diss was after the fact, i feel that’s where he really got at Nas. The Blueprint 2 diss is very overlooked. that shit was dope as fuck. Jay spazzed on that shit.

    • Rob The Music Ed

      yes Ether was BRUTAL no doubt about it. But I didnt think it was enough to overcome Jay’s attack.

      Now as far as BP2 goes? I dont know man. Hov lost me there.

  • james dean

    i always though takeover was better…I always loved how Jay analyzed like a fan…shit was beautiful…4 albums in 10 years nigga? I can divide thats one every lets say 2/ 2 of them shits was DOO…one was naaaa your other was illmatic..thats one hot album every 10 year average.

    while ether was good and classic i always liked how jay made the diss from a different perspective while nas just did the whole clowning thing

    • Que

      yeah but jay was also exagerating when he said that nas had only 1 hot album in 10 yrs even he knows thats not the truth nastradomus was nas’s only slip up in my book. if he didn’t have any other hot albums i don’t think jay would have bothered dissin him in the first place.

  • des

    cosign pierzy, that nigga got it hands down, u dont hear someone say u got taken over u here niggas say u got ether’d

  • Avenger XL

    The only reason folks give the win to Nas is because Ether sounded hotter than super ugly and generation A.D.D. doesn’t bust down bars they are just looking for juve disses with swag. The take over ethered both Super ugly and Ether not to mention mob deep and Nas’s response was hot candence wise but lyrically Nas could have systematically went in on Jay on so many levels but he kept it superfical though the flow was hot, since Nas spit the hottest last flow he wins the Takeover was old by then and super ugly was just a rushed freestyle. But If you ever wrote a rhyme in your life you know take over is just sick on so many levels that it required a sicker address than Ether but as I said generation A.D.D. doesn’t know from good so Swag on.

  • cold

    nas kicked jay-z’s ass , no contest

  • Deez Nutz

    Jay signed Nas to Def Jam…Jay wins

    • http://hiphoponmymind.blogspot.com DJ Daddy Mack

      NaS could have been Jenny Jones’ boss. He did what was best of his career. Sony tanked in case ya forgot.

      • CHEAA

        First off.. Nas beat him in the battle, that doesnt mean takeover wasn’t good, it was ill.. And Ether did not end his career, Jay got bigger after ether, the Black Album was Huge, he expandeed his empire like MAAADDDD! he made most of his money after ether.. So you can say nas is a better battle rapper, like buddens is better then saigon. but those to dont even compare!.. Jay and Nas both top 5 dead or alive. dont take anything away from the other..

        Y’all saying he got Ethered and shit like it ended Jay’s career or something!

    • Chuck_You

      How is Nas at DefJam a Jay-Z win? Seems like Jay went to join the cat whe couldn’t beat. Nas caked up and dropped another classic. Sounds like a win-win to me.

  • amar

    first i think “Cockafella” and “Gay-z” were hilarious and part of a rap battle (a big part) is to ridicule your opponent. Camel lips, I rock hoes y’all rock fellas…all that ridiculed the shit outta jay by calling him gay and making fun of his looks. Jay did the exact same thing in takeover, but it wasn’t as good.

    second as for nas making shit up and jay’s being truthful…i disagree as well. I think jay-z’s song is just as subjective as nas…all he does is imply that nas is lame, a fake thug, and washed up. The third one may have been true (but obvious) but the other two are kinda debatable for sure. Just like it was debatable whether jay-z made a career off biting and swagger jacking.

    so that’s why overall it ocmes down to clever rhymes and ridiculing. I think nas ethered jay cause of the latter.

  • Fresh

    Ether was dope no doubt about it but a lot of the stuff that Nas said wasn’t true, or was plain stupid. TakeOver was rooted in fact, and it hurt to the point that Nas had to spend week or two making Ether!!! And how do u, sample somebody (Pac) that said Fuck U and that you were stealin his style… he get’s no points for that.

    And Super Ugly hurt Nas too, Along with Is That Your Bitch…

    So all in all Jay won, Nas was just lucky Jay went at him to make him even sort of relevent…

    Everyone just wanted to see Jay lose at the time…

  • http://robertoflackchronicles.com RL

    Nas created a catchphrase with “Ether”

  • Matty Matt

    I agree with Rob’s train of thought. In my opinion the only reason some people think Nas won that battle is becasue Takeover is a laid back beat comapred to Ether beat which is hard as fuck. Jay used straight facts and every person that is real Hip-Hop head was like dam when he broke down his albums. And how are people gonna get mad becasue Jigga talked about fuckig his ex Pac said that same shit about Faith and everyone thinks Hit Him Up is the best diss song ever.

  • http://jamilibrown.com Tommy C!gar

    Jay won, bar none!! He resurrected Nas’ career. No one outside of Nas’ Stans cared what he was doing, saying, spittin, everything.

    Jay brought the man’s career back. Nas hadn’t been hot since Illmatic, but Jay single-handedly gave him a brand new audience and motivation to spit again. He coulda killed Jay on wax, but that don’t mean nothing when you wouldn’t have an audience or respect without your counterpart. Think logically!!!

  • re-yo

    Takeover is a FAR better SONG than Ether. ESPECIALLY the beat.

  • Matt Herbz

    Look, I’m a set it straight for you niggaz:

    If the Takeover had been the final blow, then Jay-Z would have emerged victorious from that battle–it was a truly vicious song. But, when Nas released Ether, it proved that a diss song could be listenable. I thoroughly HATE listening to The Takeover. Something about the garbled, reversed Jim Morrison sound byte, and Jay’z little bitch ass “Woooo” at the beginning absolutely makes me want to put my fist through the speaker and fuck up Jay-Z. I hate that song, and it was just fitting that Jay put it on the biggest shit sandwich album he has ever done: The Blueprint. That’s my word. The Takeover is a stupid, stupid song. The lyrics were there, the beat and delivery were just too stupidly conceptual–not very mainline hip hop–it had such potential…

    Now, I like Ether because it’s funny to listen to. Jay does look like a camel and he DID play himself out with those fuckin Hawaiian shirts. Roc-a-fella does sound gay and back then that crew WAS a bunch of lames…still are. I…WILL…NOT…LOSE–that shit was hard! The “Fuck Jay-Z” insert was a good find on Nas’ part, but it sounds a little out of place on the track–and that track–the beat was on some medieval shit. It’s the musical equivalent of someone getting chopped on a guillotine. That song sealed up Jay’s body bag–from there his career flourished, but at the same time Jay’z rep diminished–hell, even Cam’ron’s bitch ass started taking shots at him. It was over…

    Neither Nas nor Jay-Z could qualify as gangsta so any statements from either side about that are just void. Jay was no fuckin bigtime drug dealer and Nas was no Tec-9 toter. The biggest diss Jay had for Nas was that he fucked his baby’s mama. Big deal–learn from Superhead that hip-hop hoes are trifling–besides Nas had that bitch first and then put her up for other niggaz to get with. I mean, last year, I did a little something with Beyonce and Kelis both at a Colorado ski resort. That would technically give me a win over both Nas and Jay, but I choose not to go that route: talking about women and who’s fucking em is just some gay shit.

    And seriously are we so lame that we’re still discussing this shit so many years later? Read my shit above and call it a night, niggaz.

    –Matt Herbz–

  • PH

    Jay Z won.

    H.O.V.A. is a VERY slept on diss track it was as precise and surgical as “Takeover_ and I think was almost as good as “ether” )Nas loses points for that PAC sample). Jay’s ability to murder dudes with one LINE let alone a verse has still not been topped.

    And Jay’s body of wotk and then being Nas’ boss for a time kinda ends it right there!

  • Fresh

    Matt, u wrote all of that and you sound like a complete idiot. It’s obvious that u have a biased opinion about whatever ure talking about, how did gansta rap even come into the question.
    U don’t write anything else on this board how about that.

    So back to the discussion.

    Who cares who created a catchphrase, the better song was TakeOver. And everyone talks about how Jay made more than one track but Nas had a few himself H-to the Homo…
    Any way I just think in the whole beef situation Jay got out on Nas, not to say that Nas didn’t do his damage but Jay won.

    • Matt Herbz

      Look, Fresh–you can’t read.

      What is my bias? I’ve got all Jay-Z albums and I’ve got all Nas albums. That is a fact. Now, I may not give each and every disc equal shine, but as artists, I enjoy listening to Jay-Z and Nas equally, I really do…
      Now, I didn’t mention gangsta rap. I said that neither one of them could honestly make a stand as being more gully than the next so that point of criticism is void from either party. Do you understand now? I think I fully explained why I like/dislike each of those songs…I mean, I could go deeper, but I’m not writing a book here. And what discussion are you talking about? You didn’t back up a single one of your points–the very evidence of being biased, yourself. And what the fuck, nigga, are you typing this shit on a cell phone or something? What’s with all the u’s and the ure’s and shit? I won’t charge you by the character nigga, but I will judge you for your lack of it…your post sucks, I don’t even need to call you an idiot, your writing speaks for itself:

      “U don’t write anything else on this board how about that.”

      What the fuck was that? A question, or a bitch ass statement? Google me, nigga, I’m WELL KNOWN in this bitch so what you talkin ’bout? Until you can explain your points, don’t ever speak out of turn again, nigga. You fail. In the name of Nas and Jay-Z, I just ethered your bitch ass.

      You might be fresh, but I’m clean in this bitch.
      Just chillin on the set, but kinda mean in this bitch.
      The quiet killa type, straight put that beam on your shit
      Pull the trigger twice and blow your spleen out your clit…you pussy.

      –Matt Herbz–

      • Fresh

        It seem like your in your feeling Matt, no need to be so sensitive about this. And actually my points were very percise, Jay’s verse to Nas on TakeOver was really speaking from a fans perspective about how he fell off. And yeah he called him a lame for that.

        Nas on the other hand got in his feelings like someone else (you and just said a whole bunch of stuff that anyone could’ve said). I have always liked Nas more than Jay because his story telling ability but I have to say again that Nas Lost.

        Now I think i’ve also proved my point about you being an idiot becuase you just went off on a blog and wrote me a rhyme… Did you write me a rhyme, and call me a bitch ass nigg, u sound stupid and because you sound stupid nothing else your write matters. Write another rhyme about that one. Your on the internet writing battle rhymes, that’s sooooooo stupid.

        • Matt Herbz

          Okay, I’m still here and just as cool, calm, collected, and white as ever. People always say Jay-Z’s shit was based in fact and what not. Give me the facts from the Takeover…

          Nas has been in it 10 years, Jay, only 2. That’s a lie–we’ve seen that Hawaiian Sophie shit with Jaz.

          Went from top 10 to not mentioned at all? Never was true.

          You made it a hot line, I made it a hot song: World Is Yours > Dead Presidents

          1 hot album every 10 year average? Blow for blow I’d put Nas’ shit up against Jay’Z any day of the week. They both got some filler albums and they both have a few anthem songs that still rock out today.

          Had the worst flow on the whole Oochie Wally Wally song? Maybe. But on the same CD as Takeover, Jay did indeed get outshined by Em’s verse…that’s a draw.

          That’s just some of it. Yeah Jay got with Carmen–that was true, but Nas didn’t deny it, plus that was used goods at the time, and who the fuck cares about baby mamas? Plus, as I said above, they both embellished their life stories on wax–who doesn’t?

          Oh, and you weren’t feeling that little rap I did? Shit, I just thought it was fitting seeing what the topic was and all… Have a good one.

          –Matt Herbz–

        • amar

          matt herbz just comment-ethered Fresh…

          and i totally thought Fresh had him beat with such insightful points as
          “u sound stupid and because you sound stupid nothing else your write matters.”
          and “that’s sooooooo stupid.”

          had he thrown in a “i am rubber, u are glue” in there as well, u’d be done for, herbz.

  • D-Block

    I. Fuck with ya soul like Ether…

  • KQ

    NaS murdered Jay on Ether. And he spit plenty of facts about Jay on there (as well as “you’re a fag” disses). Also, Jay already crossed the line on ‘Takeover’ with the line “I did you-know-what with you-know-how but let keep that between me and you”. He just aired it out properly on ‘Super-Ugly’.

    NaS won. Jay-Z stans like Rob the Music Ed need to get over it.

  • http://www.xxlmag.com/?p=35149 Romeo

    Very nice breakdown of the infamous historic (I say infamous historic sarcastically bc really is any kind of rap beef considered infamous history alongside the likes of the Holocaust, Pearl Habor or 9/11, come on) hip-hop battle. I love Nas and Jay-Z, so it kind of actually hurt me to see the two go at each others throats bc I’ve always wanted to see the callabo, not unlike the few they’ve had recently, but something of a more creative nature. Anyways, since Nas was always my favorite of the two, I always sided with Nas, but the breakdown of Rob has always been pitted somewhere deep down in my subconcious where I’m questioning “Who REALLY won the battle?” To this day I still can’t decide, but since it’s all opinions anyway, my opinion (As if anyone gives a fuck about mine, haha, but it’s still mine dammit!) is that it’s straight up, even. That’s it my fellow writers, nothign really significant to post, so keep writin’, it stimulates your mind and naturally releases the pressure. Peace.

  • http://nahright.com eskay

    Gnoz lost and continues to loose.

    • http://hiphoponmymind.blogspot.com DJ Daddy Mack

      SMMFH.

  • Hate Hate and more Hate

    Both of those songs sucked ass. Jay’s song just sucked less.

    The reason why niggas say Nas won is because niggas like to see the under dog on top and they love comeback stories. Ether was the first time someone went at Jay-z that hard.

    The same niggas that think Ether is better than the Takeover are the same niggas that think Plies is a good rapper

    • Simple like ABC, 123

      “The same niggas that think Ether is better than the Takeover are the same niggas that think Plies is a good rapper”

      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

      Negro Please!!!

      Nas “Ether” >>>>> Plies’s career

  • james dean

    of course it doesn’t really matter now does it?? they squashed it..over..FIN…this beef brought out the best in both of them (It resurrected esko’s career) and now they both probably loook back at it and laugh…

    • http://hiphoponmymind.blogspot.com DJ Daddy Mack

      Look back and laugh? Not at all.

  • Hate Hate and more Hate

    “And everyone talks about how Jay made more than one track but Nas had a few himself H-to the Homo”

    co-sign. Lets not forget Nas’ album “God Son” was his ode to Jay-Z . . .that and his dead mother, well at least one song

    • Matt Herbz

      It’s good that someone brought that song up. I don’t consider it so much a diss song, but it’s a heavy listen. It helps shed the light on Jay’s actions and it makes sense: you attack when your enemy is most vulnerable. Jay made his move and Nas put us under the impression that he was too busy with family issues to respond like that. Alright, I’ll buy that for a dollar…

      “The Last Real Nigga Alive” > The Blueprint

      –Matt Herbz–

      • Hate Hate and more Hate

        I was talking about the song where Nas bitch ass in singing about getting one more dance with his moms.

        I was saying that shit sandwich called “God Son” (the whole ablum) was Nas’ ode to Jay-Z. It seemed like every song Nas just had to mention his beef with Jay-Z. (Now I see why the Game likes Nas so much. lol) As a matter of fact, half of Stillmatic seemed like an ode to Jay-Z

        BTW:
        Black Cracker Movement > White Nigga Movement

  • yaboy

    ether > takeover > supa ugly

    *stillmatic freestyle?

  • Sincere

    I believe we have to incorporate the ‘Blueprint 2′ track into this conversation as well.

    “These dudes is all politics, depositing checks
    they put in they pocket, all you get in return is a lot of lip
    And y’all buy the shit, caught up in the hype
    Cause the nigga wear a coofie, it don’t mean that he bright
    Cause you don’t understand him, it don’t mean that he nice
    It just means you don’t understand all the bullshit that he write
    Is it “Oochie Wally Wally” or is it “One Mic”?
    Is it “Black Girl Lost” or shorty owe you for ice?
    I’ve been real all my life, they confuse it with conceit
    Since I will not lose, they try to help him cheat
    But I will not lose, for even in defeat
    There’s a valuable lesson learned, so it evens it up for me
    When the grass is cut, the snakes will show
    I gotta thank the little homie Nas for that though
    Saving me the hassle of speaking to half of these assholes
    And I’ma let karma catch up to Jaz-O, whoa
    I’m back before you had a chance to miss me
    My mama can’t save you this time, niggas is history.”

  • http://Aquilogy2.blogspot.com AQUILOGY

    Ether>> the rape over >> the take over,

  • Sincere

    oh, and yea, Jay-z won.

  • http://Aquilogy2.blogspot.com AQUILOGY

    Why are y’all frontin’ like you don’t know Bol created the term ethered?

  • Simple like ABC, 123

    Nas “Ether” >>>>> Jay-Z “Takeover”

    Jay-Z admitted he lost that battle versus Nas and people say that Nas won that battle.

    So, Nas win!!!

  • http://XXL.com Crimson

    Takeover was a song for Nas and mobb deep. Jay-z attention wasn’t all for nas in the song. Ether was all for jay-z. If Jay-Z would have took the time to write a nas only about nas, nas would’ve been done for

  • Casey

    I agree with this post. Ether has nothing that’s true that people didn’t already know.

  • Suckers

    “Rockefeller died from AIDS, that was the end his chapter.”

    Rockefeller was a big-time drug dealer in NYC from the ’80s, who did die from AIDS.

  • http://devilinthedistance.blogspot.com Tego

    I banned DJ Daddy Mack from HipHopGame for his Nas stanisms. Why didn’t Nas ever go ‘Oochie Wally’ again after ‘Blueprint 2′? It was all ‘One Mic’ from there.

    • Rob The Music Ed

      AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHA

      “Is it Oochie Wally or is it one mic” lol

    • http://hiphoponmymind.blogspot.com DJ Daddy Mack

      -_- You banned me because you are a real bitch. you banned anyone who you did not like. That’s some hoe shit.

  • Doobie

    Nas tried to spaz on Jay on an emotional level. To me that screams defeat because Jay went on all fact. Between Takeover,Super Ugly & Blueprint 2….Jay went all factual break down of Esco the Person…Which is something he got from Pac’s beefs…Pac always said what happened not just some You ugly & gay…No…Straight what happened the best beef style…

  • http://xxl All Dae

    I need to throw a wrench in the machine.

    Don’t forget the Blueprint 2 diss song. I think Jay cleared up a lot of issues on that track. Plus it had the Good, Bad and Ugly loop which was sick. Super Ugly was weak compared to his other disses but Jay slaped Nasty around on the trak. “Open a bottle off the boys chipped tooth” Crazy

    I give the victory to Nas by only a small margin. If it were a point system I say Nas won by two points.

  • ultVIOdre

    Yo what i don’t understand is that nobody EVER mentions the second verse on the Blueprint 2, that shit goes so hard against Nas. The thing is that even though Nas is supposed to be all intelligent, half the shit that comes out of his mouth is retarded. Jay on the other hand just kills it with the sick metaphors and parables and what not.

    I’ll say this: Nas handled it like a street fight, no rules- just bashed Jay bare knuckles stylo. Where Jay came at him like a boxer- fluidity and discipline.

    Either way both spit sick ass versus, it all depends on what type of fight you like to watch.

    • Hate Hate and more Hate

      “I’ll say this: Nas handled it like a street fight, no rules- just bashed Jay bare knuckles stylo. Where Jay came at him like a boxer- fluidity and discipline.

      Either way both spit sick ass versus, it all depends on what type of fight you like to watch.”

      Since I like watching big booty bitches fight in a pool of Jello, I say both of them niggas lost

  • moresickaMC

    The fans decided a long time ago Nas “Ethered” Jay-Z. move on, u cant rewrite history

  • DV8

    I agree with DJ Daddy Mack in your debate. Regardless if what was stated in ether true or false, it struck a nerve and caused Jay to take a low blow. Jay started the battle in the 1st place and when Nas struck back hard jay had to do something to save face and then Jay apoligized after dropping “Super Ugly”, that makes that song null and void.

    Wasnt it Jay’s homeboy B.I.G. who once said “If I said it I meant it, bite my tongue for no one”?

    • http://hiphoponmymind.blogspot.com DJ Daddy Mack

      Thank you.

  • moses

    The reason people side with Nas over Jay is because people are easily moved by emotion more so than logic, and Nas is a person people get emotional over. Like it or not, Nas is that dude to quite a few people because of illmatic. It was insightful, soulful hood poetry. Every aspect of it was done well. It was really the total package. Flow, lyrics, depth, soul. No one since has really been able to recreate that feel, not even Nas himself. If you are a hip hop fan late 20s to mid 30s from the East Coast, Nas is that nigga. When he was pitted against Jay, someone who was always seen as gifted, but not like Nas, who seemingly had allowed whatever substance he had to be buried under all the flashy shit, and you take into account his stannery of all things Nas (sampling his lyrics, namedropping, messing with his BM), you gotta rock with Nas. Plus he just came out the gate with fire. The truth doesn’t always matter, just how you spit it. That Ether was straight fire.

  • http://www.msn.com west philly’s finest

    I never knew why everybody liked Ether so much everything about Takeover was better. The beat was hotter and Jay said all facts.

    He talked about his whole career at that time in one line “2 of them shits was due one was meh the other was Illmatic that’s a one hot album every 10 year average”

    Its nothing Nas said in Ether that was better than that line. Plus Jay had one verse on Nas when Nas made a whole song for Jay. I think people give it to Nas cause they aint know he had it in him.

    Its like the quiet nigga that never say nothing beating up a bully.

  • bctw

    Jay won because he makes better music and has a wider appeal and he never fell off like NaS did (Nastradamus album, anyone?). I think Ether > Takeover, but Jay killed NaS on Blueprint2, so Jay gets the upper hand. Saying that he was disappointed with Super Ugly is not a good enough excuse not to retaliate. As with everything, Jay was relentless in his attack, so he won. NaS was happy to record Ether and go home and get dusted, the drug addict that he is.

    • que

      jay doesn’t make better music he makes better radio music, and there was no reason to retaliate after he dropped ether it was over no one can come back from that. nas won the battle period. and nas only had one bad album, is that falling off? jay fell off with that streets is watchin album, if thats the case hard knock life saved him. everyone was disapointed with that second album. jay z wasn’t going platinum before hard knock.

  • BIGSCREECH

    Jay’s verses on is that your bitch were about nas. He actually gave memphis bleak his only semi-hit with his diss. That’s got to count for something, because memphis bleak is the worst rapper EVER.

  • skinny b

    i don’t know…if you can fuck some dude’s girl, then dude comes running back to you for a job…i think you won.

  • Big Homie

    Takeover > Ether

    easily

  • dockevoc

    Don’t forget about Nas’ “H to the Omo”, which was better than Ether.

  • Big Sun

    I feel like Nas won the battle in multiple ways. 1) He didn’t just battle Jay in the trade he battled the Rocafella camp who even though persistant couldn’t stomp him out. this was done by himself. 2) Yes Nas’s career was in decline but if you see something fading away let it fade and it will disappear, Jay bit the cheese and the trap snapped. 3) Nas regains momentum after Dropping Ether, Remember Ether wasn’t his 1st response to the takeover it was his second. The first was on the Eric B beat. “Hit the Freeway, shoot through Memphis with Money Bags stop in Philly order Cheese steaks and Eat Beans fast.” But after having Dropped Ether you have all of NY going Damn he just murked Jay. Not because nig’s wanted to see Jay loose but because Nas studied his enemy and said the obvious. “You think you getting girls now because of your looks?” Sometime the simplicity of the argument is the strongest arguement. 4) Even if you banged my Baby moms out after I am with her or during there is still a stalker like tendacy there; you want me on you albums, you call me one of the best, you calling my crib I didn’t give you my number now you trying to hit the same girl. Stalkerish plain and simple. Jay lost and came into the battle because of his love for Nas not because of a hatred. Sometimes people love you so much they hate you because they haven’t got what you have. Like white people hating people with natural tans. Jay lost his cool and lost the battle.

    • DETROIT

      REAL TALK!

    • $ykotic

      Thank u brah.

      Especially when Jay-Z HIMSELF admitted defeat more than twice, how can I co-sign him winning?

      Does any old schooler think that Bizzy Bee beat Kool Moe Dee?

    • que

      cosign nothing more needs to be said.

  • dockevoc

    Takeover > Ether

    easily

    ^
    Agreed

  • bctw

    My question is why is NaS making all these homo erotic comments about Jay? Saying a man has dick sucking lips and calling him a homo isn’t a good way for NaS to declare his masculinity.

    But Blueprint2 rightfully shut up Nas from talking anymore shit about Jay, and ultimately forced him to agree to terms to be Jay’s employee on Def Jam. The ultimate sonning.

  • http://twitter.com/sevvyn sevvyn

    I see all points but the consensus is that Nas won…let the ppl speak

  • DETROIT

    what up rob,

    here’s my response to this blog:

    1. “That’s weak. If your baby mom was a hoe, I’d make a song about it too.”

    any real hood nigga knows (which is what both of these guys are, being from the pjs and all) that nobody gives a shit about their bm’s sexual habits. the avg nigga don’t even like his bm, let alone give a shit who she’s fuckin! so for jay to focus on that was border line GAY! If someone says they fucked your bm…it’s like, so did i, that’s how she became my bm. A BM AND A GIRLFRIEND ARE 2 DIFFERENT THINGS!

    2. jay was never the same after either. fuck what we think, jay thought he lost, which is why he did like 3 more nas disses after the takeover. if i beat you in basketball and you think you’re better than me, you’re gonna be like, let’s play again. Jay wanted to play again, nas didn’t. THAT’S THE REAL PROOF WHO WON!

    3. EITHER WAS LYRICAL AS FUCK. all the way down to the chorus where he took jay’s “i will not lose” and followed it with “god son across my belly, i’ll prove you lost all ready”.

    4. Jay was in over his head, he was battling his idol! fuck what you heard, jay was a nas fan, nas was never a jay fan. jay came out like the 5th member of the firm, quotin nas and shit.

    5. i don’t understand this argument that jay has better albums. jay is more commercial, but that doesn’t make him better. Dig this:

    Illmatic, Stillmatic, It was Written, I Am, and the Nigger album are all classics! Jay only has reasonable doubt and the blueprint!

    • http://hiphoponmymind.blogspot.com DJ Daddy Mack

      You got it.

    • amar

      more valuable points in DETROIT’s comment than in this entire blog post

    • Tek

      ETHER WAS LYRICAL AS FUCK
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

      Exactly. Case Closed. MCs know Nas won. Fans think Jay-Z did.

  • TedTurner

    I am not a big time Jay or Nas fan. Nas to me has the overall better start to his career but Jay kept the longevity. Jay does bite other peoples styles a ton.

    All that said. Jay ate Nas up in that “battle”. His disses had better plans, were better written, better content, and had better production.

    Anybody that thinks Nas won that is a dumbed down person.

  • bctw

    to DETROIT:

    But what’s worse, fucking Nas’s baby’s mom and clowning him for it on wax, or Nas commenting on Jay’s physical features?

    Why should Nas care what Jay looks like? If Nas says Jay’s ugly and Jay fucked Carmen, doesn’t that make Nas look like a jealous faggot?

    Just asking…

  • Equan

    You niggas that think Jay won are wildin’. I predicted NaS would release some ill shit in return but even I didn’t foresee Ether. That shit changed the game forever.I’m a big fan of Jay but a bigger fan of NaS.

    Whose hook was better and more creative? Ether

    History shows Classic dis records have comedy,
    Which track was funnier? Ether

    Which beat is better, NO which would you knock in the whip? Ether

    Niggas 4get dat NaS ruined Jay’s suprise by telling the Source that Jay slept with his babymoms before Jay could tell the world.

    2 of my favorite lines that are never mentioned.

    “Queens niggas run you niggas ask Russel Simmons”

    “You pop shit apologize nigga just ask Kiss”

  • A

    Ma, I’m sorry who the f*** I AM, I can’t trust my fans
    Out of luck, no constructive plans
    My friends stay powdered up, I’m so drunk, can’t stand
    You said if I would sober up, I’d be a powerful man
    Turned out the street life, you prayed I wouldn’t
    But every church in the world can’t save our children
    I stayed out late, you heard shots, thought it would be
    Your older son on the ground dead, but fortunately
    The bullets had some other names on it, the brother was blind
    I hit the el, than we yell out, "It wasn’t my time!"
    I loaded up shells, one by one, you smelled bl**** from my room door
    Little Nasir was at war
    And little did I care what you saw
    Crew deep with a few heat, now it’s time we settle the score

    But in the projects, I visit Muhammad, in linen garments
    Preaching Man, Woman, and Child, the living Prophet
    And I’m similar, Nasir Bin Aluda Ra
    Visqu Allah, fist full of dollars in the dice game God
    The Ice King, God, the Black Christ, elegant stance
    Clothes fit me like a crime boss, the menacing man
    I see the world collapsing, young pregnancies
    Young girls are fast and in their Sasoon jeans, no prophylactic
    All this fast s*** and fly jewelry, now makes my eyes teary
    N Y City, grab a hold and ride with me

    Rip the FREEWAY, shoot through MEMPHIS with money bags
    Stop in Philly, order cheese steaks and eat BEANS fast
    And bring it back up top, remove the fake king of New York
    You show off, I count off when you sample my voice
    I rule you, before, you used to rap like the FU-SHNICKENS
    NAS designed your BLUEPRINT, who you kidding?
    Is he H TO THE IZZO, M TO THE IZZO?
    For shizzle you phony, the rapping version of SISQO
    And that’s for certain, you clone me, your wack clothes line
    I’d rather Sean John, bore me with your fake coke rhymes
    And those times, they never took place, you liar
    Hung was your first court case, you had no priors
    You master fabricated stories of streets and sound slick
    Have you surrounded, you and the faggot you down with

    While they riding NAS, trying to boost their careers
    Corny as CORMEGA, all you Hip-Hop queers
    Since ILLMATIC, IT WAS WRITTEN: I AM…NASTRADAMUS
    That’s the answers to the puzzle I gave you, now here’s a promise
    My next few albums, instead of projects,
    They’ll be a difficult test inside the cover for the mind’s optics

    Come in my hood, but bring the guns with you, it’s dark
    Headed through Brooklyn, Queens, Harlem, Staten, and Bronx
    Headed through Compton, Oaktown, South Central, and Watts
    New Orleans, Mississippi, Chi-town, every block
    I’m trying to have my positive ways, I put my rhymes on page
    Did crimes and headline on stage
    I Signed a contract, so here it is, you have it
    Streets disciple, I’m STILLMATIC

  • Juzzy

    Jay-Z won…………Marginally

    Does it really matter though???

  • JDS

    i love how niggas say Ether was all lies and Takeover was all fact when they both had an abundance of bullshit as well as fact…

    “one hot album every 10 year average”? c’mon man… Jay as well as any Nas fan should know thats bullshit… although Nas had fallen off at that point, we all know that shit aint true [Illmatic, IWW, I Am...]

    okay, sure Nas had plenty of name-calling, but to sum up Ether as being just that is fuckin’ unbelievable, and just reaveals your Jigga Warrior bias. the name -calling was bullshit, but all that shit about Jay running around as a low bit drug dealer was true, so miss me with that “dozens” shit… dont ignore the truth staring in your face.

    but to put it simply, when one man falls and willingly crowns the other man the victor… THATS IT!… no more debate man… stop trying to rewrite history… Jay lost, he said he lost, the people said he lost… its over with, nothing more to discuss.

  • http://www.myspace.com/crockerishiphop Crocker

    Co-sign what Rob said “Ether” being an emotional response. Jay BROKE him down bar for bar from an objective perspective in Takeover. The only bars worth their salt I recall off hand in Ether were “Eminem murdered you on your own shit,” and “Pop shit and apologize, n**** just ask ‘Kiss.” And people forget Blueprint 2 as well, “Is it Oochie Wally Wally, or is it One Mic?” “Is it Black Girl Lost or shorty owe you for ice?” Jay played off Nas’s emotion. That’s what gave it to him. Ether was a 4 and 1/2 min. closet homosexual manifesto. ;)

  • the battle

    The real Question:

    Who won: TPAR vs. BOL?

  • paychexx

    jay lost cuz he admitted it” even in defeat i will not lose”

  • some guy from toronto

    I think we’ve lost site of the climate when this all went down. To me Jay won. I’ll entertain the arguments of Ether’s finer points (mostly the chorus). I’ll entertain the sustained connotation of “ether” as a verb. But Jay still won to me. I’m one of those folks that thinks Illmatic is the greatest album in hip-hop history. But I can barely tolerate anything between that and Stillmatic. Stillmatic was solid, but no where near air tight.

    At this time Nas had 2 fan bases. Those that swore that Illmatic was the greatest thing ever made, and those that caught on from the It Was Written Days. By the time this all occured, both fan bases had abandoned him. The Lost Tapes were a hold over for his 2nd tier fan base, but it wasn’t enough – plus it wasn’t where he was really at, at that time. So Nas was in the gutter. Nas Stans will hold on to some sales statistic, but I’m of the opinion that those sales happened in fly-over states. Dude was done.

    Jay saved his career.

    Jay drops The Takeover and every Nas fan in both tiers is distraught. They know he kicked facts (2nd tier fans don’t really get that Illmatic is better than It Was Written, but they’ve lost enough arguments to concede the point even though they don’t agree). Nas fell off. Plain and simple. But Nas somehow recovers and drops Ether. The thing that I still remember the most about Ether was Premier saying it was a good diss track. I was astouned. It wasn’t bad, but it wasn’t on the level of The Takeover. He was on some school yard homo stuff … like he’s an 8 year old. I had a friend that claimed Nas won. My response was this “if Takeover was about you, and Ether was your response, I’d tell you to get back in the booth and try again.” Ether was just ok. But the real magic of Ether was that 1st and 2nd teir Nas fans had enough of a platform to stand on and yell louder than the Jay fans that Nas won.

    I’m as happy as the next guy to see them cordial enough to hop on tracks together but I kinda feel like Jay got Al Gore’d … dude won, but the people took away his victory cause they didn’t like him as much

    • DETROIT

      “Jay saved his career.”

      Bullshit! Nas has talent, he was never gonna just disappear. the fact that jay went at him shows what his place in the game was at that time. Jay wouldn’t have went at some bum ass has been, what would that prove. jay wanted nas out of the way, like 50 did ja.

      Jim Jones killed Jay…JAY IS NOT A BATTLE RAPPER!

      • El Tico Loco

        Jim Jones killed Jay…JAY IS NOT A BATTLE RAPPER!
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

        Are you sayin Jim Jones is? FYI most rappers that came out before 98 accross the country were battle rappers, in fact you wouldn’t call yourself a rapper if you didn’t bring it, it was part of your reputation, even if you were known for winning talent shows or sellin tapes out the trunk you were going to be challenged more so then than now. Jay may not be battling anymore but he’s had his battles.

      • some guy from toronto

        You might be right. Nas may very well have rebounded without Jay paying attention to him. I mean that scincerely in the event you interpret that as sarcasm. I just don’t think that Nas was getting the kind of love, at that time, that you’re insisting he did. If I recall correctly we already knew his next album was going to be called Stillmatic which turned some heads, but I don’t think that album gets the reception it did without the surrounding press on the battle. I can concede that in the bigger picture Nas held more clout than I’m giving him credit for. BUt I stand by my position that Jay won but more people were happy to see Nas make something worth listening to and basically shouted louder in any argument to claim victory.

        • DETROIT

          I feel you and i respect your opinion. where i disagree is the assertion that everyone wanted to see jay loose. that was not the case at that time. Jay was killing shit, the blueprint was one of his strongest albums. for all intensive purposes, he was the champ at that time. and just like in boxing, you have to KO the champ, cuz usually you won’t win a decision. nas ko’d jay! it’s not about the hip hop opinion, cuz jay was not the biggest hip hopper, HE WAS THE BIGGEST RAPPER, and nas took that crown! I remember when my girlfriend at the time 1st heard ether, she looked like she saw a ghost! she couldn’t believe her hero had been destroyed! THAT’S HOW YOU KNOW JAY LOST! i don’t know if you’re black, but in the hood (outside of the east coast)jig had shit on smash. Club hits and all that! when a chicks that only hear rap in a club say jay lost…jay lost! cuz believe me they all wanted him to win so they could buy more chloe glasses and hear more pharell hooks!

    • shone jones

      Exactly! Jay saved Nas’s Career. People don’t want to accept it.

  • bctw

    ^

    but like you just quoted Jay said “I will not lose”

    Jay is too poetic for niggas to comprehend. That’s a play on words right there, and a genius one at that.

    NaS is dope, but he wished he had even half the wordplay Jay has.

  • ian

    nas won the battle, jay the war

  • http://youreadthatopinion.blogspot.com Cannon

    Can somebody tell me what FACTS where in “Takeover”? I’m looking at the lyrics right now (which you should all go and read again) and all I see is “fag model for Karl Kani”, you fake thug, you’re garbage, you had the wackest verse on Oochie Wally, I showed you the tec (that’s a mans word vs another and cannot be used as fact), you used your voice wrong, i been in the game for 5 years (then why do we have all these tracks that go back to 92?) and you switched your flow. Jay also gave his opinion’s on Nas’s albums. NONE OF THOSE ARE FACTS and that’s pretty much the whole verse! The only FACT might be that he paid Searchlite which can be researched for truth.

    Now, did Nas use facts? Of course not. KRS did have an album called “The Blueprint of Hip-Hop” so in that debate, Jay’s facts = ~1 <= Nas’s facts = 1.

    So from there we go to who’s the wittiest and more entertaining. With that I have to go with “Ether” over “Takeover”.

  • http://www.highsoc80.blogspot.com Ones

    im wit rob on this one…..
    jay spit the facts str8 thru…..
    nas?…..1 more question: when did nas ever have anybody sneaking out the back door of a studio running from him? nicca please!

  • http://. Jamal

    Is “RobtheMusicEd” retarded???

    Lyrics, Lyrics, Lyrics. Nas is way more lyrical that Jay-Z. I like “J” but nas won that battle hands down. “I fucked your baby’s mother” That is some gay,kindergarden shit. “A ho going to be a hoe” Havoc. You can’t control a females vagina. He lost points with that one!! As far as J having a plan, scratch that, go read the art of war. Nas had a plan fuckface. That freestyle stillmatic was damn near better than the takeover!!!

  • http://www.incilin.blogspot.com Incilin

    I still think Nas won but I will say that a lot of people forget that only about 12 bars of Takeover is about Nas. THe rest is Mobb Deep and just general shots. Add the underwhelming SuperUgly and Ether remains better than both. Overall, Ether is like 60 bars at Jay.

  • DETROIT

    DOES ANYONE ON HERE EVEN KNOW WHAT ETHER IS?

    the fact that NAS named his song ETHER took more thought than any line jay aimed at nas!

    jay makes all of these coke raps, then nas hits him with ETHER….PRICELESS!

  • http://youreadthatopinion.blogspot.com Cannon

    More…

    Everybody talking about “Blueprint 2″, while it went hard at Nas, that was after he came out with “Super Ugly” and the original “Don’t You Know”. B2 was the equivalent of you saying “yea, you got me but…yo mama” in your house, alone, 2 days after a fight. If the debate is who won THE battle, that consist of “Takeover” and “Ether” and the public supported “Ether”.

  • baldyz

    Regardless of who won, they cant’t fuck with hit em up

    • El Tico Loco

      When we ride 10x > Hit em up. Because dis tracks shouldn’t be posse cuts sorry.

  • Ace Bundy

    Nas all day fuck Jay-Z

  • Ace Bundy

    Queens’ niggaz run u niggaz ask Russell Simmons….COT DAMN!!!!!

  • eddiesixes

    you say takeover was all music then what do you think “you know who, did you know what, with you know who” meant.

  • RL (different dude)

    Didn’t Angie Martinez have an on-the-air vote and NY voted that Nas won the battle? It was at that point that Jay understood that he might have been NY’s favorite rapper, but Nas is NY’s favorite son (next to Biggie). I always thought Takeover was a lazy track. It’s not bad, but I got the impression that Jay didn’t expect Nas or MD to respond, therefore he didn’t put much effort into it. Then Nas comes back with Ether and it hurt Jay’s soul. The self-professed “King of NY” was shaken to it’s core and he didn’t even see it coming. It’s hard to believe that you are the greatest when your own loyal followers can’t make you believe it. Ether led to a more desperate Jay and that’s why I give the battle to Nas.

  • louie mo

    I thought it was WEAK when Nas sampled Pac. Because right before Pac said “Fuck Jay-Z” he said “Fuck Nas”… I cant give him any points for that.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    what song was that? i never heard it….. i know the pac line they use for ether was from a unreleased song called “friends”………. i beleive it went ” fuck jay-z/ he’s broke and i smokes daily…………….

  • Raol Cocaina aka Pap Crack

    Nas ethered Jay but Jay won.

  • bctw

    Bottom line – Nas’s lyrics are all very homo, period.

    1) For instance: “Ay, y’all faggots, y’all kneel and kiss the fucking ring”

    Why would ANYBODY, especially Nas, want someone who he has identified as a faggot, kneeling and kissing anything?

    2) “this Gay-Z and Cockafella Records wanted beef”

    Wow! Why is Nas only talking about Jay being gay? And if Jay is so gay (I guess Beyonce is a man huh?), doesn’t that make Nas just as gay for not only addressing a gay man (lowering himself to the gay guy’s level), but also for making the above and below comments?

    3) “Started cocking up my weapon, slowly loading up this ammo to explode it on a camel”

    Damn this is gay on so many levels — “cocking,” “explode it,” and finally he is still talking about Jay’s physical features by calling him a camel. Why is Nas so obsessed with how Jay looks? Please someone answer that.

    4) “Dick sucking lips”

    WOW! This song gets gayer and gayer by the line! Did Nas really just say another man has dick sucking lips? Because I only look to women for dick sucking lips, but Nas is clearly comfortable admitting he thinks Jay could suck a good dick. That is extra gay!

    5) “What you think, you getting girls now ’cause of your looks Negro please. You no mustache having, with whiskers like a rat”

    Why does Nas care why or how Jay gets girls? But a closer look answers that, because Nas is talking about how Jay fucked Carmen, saying it wasn’t based on Jay’s looks. But Jay still fucked your girl nigga!! lol Then comes another comment about Jay’s physical attributes. It’s all very gay.

    6) “You a dick-riding faggot”

    If Nas really thinks Jay is a dick rider and a faggot, why is Nas even addressing him? Let alone talking about Jay’s dick sucking lips and telling him to kneel down and kiss? This song is a psychologist’s wet dream — the writing is on the wall.

    Nas is obsessed with Jay, and you can tell that from these lyrics to the fact that he signed to Def Jam and became Jay’s employee. Oh, and that Russell Simmons line? Didn’t Jay take over Russ’s Def Jam?

    Jay stays with the last laugh. Nas lost and has stayed losing ever since, including Kelis’s sex tape.

    • Rob The Music Ed

      AHAHAH Best comment in the whole post!

      • http://hiphoponmymind.blogspot.com DJ Daddy Mack

        -_-

  • chitchat

    Another thing. Why minimize the reaction? The job of the battle MC isn’t just to go in on your opponent, but also move the crowd.

    So even if you didn’t like what Nas had to say, the fact that he put the audience in a tailspin can’t be discounted. A lot of people would say the same thing about guys like Tupac, DMX, etc. There may have been more lyrical guys around but if they weren’t blowing people’s minds did they really make a sound?

    • DETROIT

      COSIGN!

      and how did this become a convo about weather nas is lyrical! if nas isn’t lyrical then who is? jay was rappin like the fu-shickens until he decided to jack that nas escobar swag. DEAD PRESIDENTS WAS A CARBON COPY OF A FIRM SONG…VIDEO AND ALL!

      • Rob the Music Ed

        Umm Dead Presidents came waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay before the Firm.

        • DETROIT

          the first firm shit was on “it was written”, and they had been puttin it together way before that. the esco swag was already in full effect!

  • escobar9300

    Both of theses dudes elevated hip hop through this beef, and proved you can have two amazing rappers go at it without ending in death, ala Big and Pac. But at the end of the day, as much as I loved Takeover, Nas sent a buckshot to the knees the the Rocafella camp with Ether. Did it take them out completley? Not at all, but if you cant see he left those dudes limping away from that beef then you need to wipe the dirt off your glasses to see straight. Nas…..DID….NOT…..LOSE.

  • Texas Lou

    Hip hop ain’t Dead it moved to the
    South

  • bctw

    escobar90 says “if you cant see he left those dudes limping away from that beef then you need to wipe the dirt off your glasses to see straight.”

    But what he fails to mention is that Jay and the Roc went on to higher heights after the beef with Nas, NOT before! If Nas did not lose why did he sign on to be Jay’s employee at Def Jam? Who is really the blind one here?

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  • prophecy_projectz

    Nas won.

    Because it was a titan battle between two giants people still debate about. But all this “Jay won the war” stuff is out of scope because Nas never attempted to pursue the corporate and marketing campaign that Jay did after that battle. It was one battle and Ether is remembered.

    People love to say that Nas’ lines were childish but he did hit Jay with facts in the same way Jay did with Nas. Hell, I would argue that the fact that a lot of Jay’s rhymes were from Biggie is far more factual than the “one hot album every ten year average” which is a matter of opinion (especially since It Was Written gets better over time.)

    They’ve both travelled different lanes but I think Nas just Hov is somewhat happy with how is career turned out even if the fans and the critics wished it turned out otherwise.

  • http://tonygrands.blogspot.com tony grand$

    Wow, this blog is gonna knock the “Billy vs 2pac” post outta the park!

    Lol

    Niggas be dead serious bout they hip hop!

  • prophecy_projectz

    Let me also add that if you think about it, “The Blueprint 2″ song was kinda bullshit. It reeked of a man crying a year after he, well cried on the radio.

    “And this with whom y’all place your faith? I put dollars on mind ask columbine”. Sorry Shawn no one cares. Everyone gave to columbine, a quick PR move for the Hard Knock Life tour and a tax write off for Roc-a-fella doesnt impress me.

    Now, granted the “Ochie Wally or One Mic” is a nice little case you make against Nas.

    But heres the problem

    1) Everyone in rap contradicts themselves because its multi-perspective. Its called showing range. Hell, even Jay does and did it back then (remember XXL’s October 2001 issue where they mocked Jay for contraditicting himself in lines about smoking?). I mean really Jay, you preformed Big Pimpin at the Live 8 concert. How you gonna come up on stage at an event to feed the world and say “You know, fucking love em, leave em breath em but I dont fucking feed em”? Really Jay? lol

    2) Jay always loved Nas. From Carmen’s details about how he had all the rare illmatic promos, to trying to get him on Reasonable Doubt 3 times (For “Bring it on”, the song that was meant that ended up being “Brooklyn’s finest” and Dead Presidents). Even on Def Jam he gave Nas pull that other artists who werent R&B or from the south would have gooten. And more importantly, he still said between 2003-2005 that Nas was one of the best lyricists in the game (his Hot 97 interview in 05 months before “I declare War”)

    So what this all mean? For a guy to accuse Nas’ fans of “Not understanding half the bullshit that he writes”, he doesnt seem to have a problem including himself in that fanbase.

    I believe that’s self-Ether for Mr. Carter.

    Look I get it, both these guys got rabid fanbases even in the midst of dwindling sales. Both Ether and Takeover are classic records and I still maintain both Stillmatic and Blueprint are classic records (yes, even Stillmatic, people bumped that record in NY for 2 years straight, it was a comeback album for one of Hip Hop’s most debated lyrcists), but ultimatley no matte how you spin it, the beloved underdog you should have been dismantled won.

    I find the arguemnt that Jay somehow won by signing Nas and “owning” the little homie a little weak , seeing as LA Reid clearly owns the label and Jay’s impact still resulted in him being asked to leave. Now as merely an employee of Def Jam on the same level of Nas, his Roc Nation deal is still unclear (kinda like that Nets move to BK) and Blueprint 3 is still stalling despite Kanye saying 6 months ago the album was done. Sheesh, even the Nigger album didnt have that kinda delay.

    In the end Mr Carter has had an amazing career and is an icon who crossover. But Mr. Jones is still very much apart of the Hip Hop collective hearts and minds and elects to move on via creative outlet rather than financial means. Both have had their legend status secured….but the underdog won. It would be a classic battle if he didnt.

    Now let’s move on from this nearly decade old argument. Robbie tries too hard to discredit Nasir

  • Shawty J

    It’s this simple, really.

    Ether = Better diss record

    Takeover = Better overall record.

    Takeover was done in the format of a regular rap song. But on Ether, Nas came off, more like he was actually battling, which is probably why people say Nas won the feud.

  • ATLviaNYC

    In my humble opinion…Nas won the battle. Although when Takeover came out I thought it was a rap for Nas (as did mostly everyone else in the hip hop community). But Nas being the contradiction he can somtimes be responded…in spades, with Ether. Ether got to the core of Jay-Z as did Takeover for Nas. See Nas and Jay-Z are fans of each other and each followed the others work very closely…that’s what rivals do. Jay psycho-analyzed Nasir and pretty much got it right…yes Nas is a contradiction, yes he had some lowlights as far as albums after Illmatic…this is all true as Jay pointed out. But Nas being an elite lyricist himself, psycho-analyzed Jay and also got it right. Nas just regurgitated what the streets were saying at the time…”yeah Jay is nice but he kinda looks like a camel.”, “damn son, look at the nigga’s lips.” or “Damn him and Dame is really tryin to be the new Puff and Big.” All this is shit the streets were saying and Nas was able to draw on that…in addition to Jay-Z’s possible insecurities about his looks. They got at each others core and that’s what makes the battle so great. But Jay-Z seemed visibly frustrated after Ether and that’s why I think Nas won…Jay blinked first. Ether got to him in such a way he lashed out in true anger…Super Ugly. Bringing Nas’s daughter into the fray was a low blow and really beneath Jay and he knows it…shit even his Moms was disappointed in some of the things he said in that freestyle. Hey I know this is hip-hop and bay mamas, wifeys and jump-offs are fair game but kids…that’s low and a sign of weakness. I must admit Jay came better on his Blueprint 2 offering citing Nas’s inconsistencies but even that seemed a little too late and quite frankly a bit stan-ish…like “hey don’t like this guy like me instead…can’t people see he’s not who he says he is!” Deep down it feels like Jay always wanted something Nas had but can’t get via money or fame which he has in abundance. I don’t know maybe i’m reading too much into it.

  • Simple like ABC, 123

    “Eminem murdered you on your own shit” Nas-Ether

    Nas win!!!

  • http://yahoo reno

    o.k nas got at jay real vicious i mean i was pissed because the whole fucking song was on point i mean he got at jay something serious i fuck’s with jay but to be real nas been garbage since the joint he had with lauren hill jay outshined nas and i feel nas start hating because after biggie nas was the heir to the throne but jay came and raped the game all you niggas know that jay to me stories are realer than nas and to me biggie also big was overrated all you lyrical cats pac would eat all these boys for breakfast like he did with the 7 day theory nas been a fake a.z used to kill that boy on the mic and jada will smoke his ass too but new york wouldnt be shit if it wasnt for jay..back on piont though takeover gave nas life and it took for jaz-o to push nas to fight back too me i think takeover crushed nas and mobbdeep but nas came back that album was nice but camron bodied his ass and scared the shit out of him i cant see how but he did cause cam a bitch ass nigga and dipset only 1 real i think is freaky juelz can rap but he soft jim a phoney i would love too beat the fakeness out is pussy ass.and the thing is all tHESE niggaz hating on jay and he helped all these niggaz out because they wasnt shit before jay besides big and pac..nas aint shit jeezy just bodied HIM on BLACK PRESIDENT……

  • Rae Tha Great

    Alright, alright now you know Rae had to jump in this Detroit city stand up. Okay: Takeover, Ether, Super Ugly, Last Real Nigga Alive, Blueprint2. They was going at it and it honestly was like the last great rap beef. What about “Wanna Be Me” on the 8 Mile soundtrack or “Some People Hate” was they still going at it? I mean only time 50 Cent beef is when he got an album coming out which is getting old, but I still buy the album just to see what the music sounds like not for the Lil Wayne diss. Well maybe for the Lil’ Wayne diss. But come on can’t forget The Diplomats jumped in I forgot for what reason somebody refresh my memory, all I remember is Jim Jones saying he was gonna smack Nas’ kaufi. LOL PEACE BEST BLOG OF 09 ALREADY!!!

  • t.C.

    actually rob nas and pac sqaused they beef before pac died they ran into each other both about 100 deep and sqaushed it and pac said fuck jay-z too many times to count but i still see what ur sayin’

  • bkJUICE

    you know when i realized that jay lost? when jay kept responding to nas, even after takeover. jay-z made a slew of diss tracks from another album cut (blueprint 2) to a bunch of freestyles (s.carter collection mixtape) and then he got his entire camp involved too (“hate me now” by cam is classic!). jay made all of these attacks to nas’s ONE track, i say that to say this: in boxing you can tell who lost by pointing out the one whos yelling “rematch!”. the one that even doe the fight is over keeps attacking the winner for another chance to take the title. for every unresponed track from jay, it became more obvious that nas was the winner. ofcourse nas only won that music-wise, but the L’s he recieved are enough to contemplate off’ing yourself.

  • Mos Def

    I hear you Rob but I think we need to analyse the battle in terms of who really got under whose skin rather than just the rhymes. Once Jay said “you know who did you know what with you know who. . .” Nas knew his next move and had to pr-empt that. I think something a lot of peeps overlook about that battle is that it was more personal than any other rap battle in history. It was even more personal than Big and Pac IMO. So Nas knew that winning the battle was all about going below the belt and firing cheap shots. I also think that people overlook some of the facts Nas kicked on there. The whole Taebo thing, the whole Dame trynna be Puff and Hov basically trynna be Big, the fact that Hov was talkin’ ’bout girls like he’s fucking Tyson Beckford, the whole “girls used to call me ugly, the whole thing with Jay where he was always ridin’ on someone else’ coat tail, Em murdering Jay on Renegade. . . There was a whole bunch of facts in Ether. But in the same way that Jay’s assesment of Nas’ career was spurious, Nas slid in some cheap shots. It was to spite Jay and also coz he nkew that fans wouldn’t be able to immediately tell the truth apart. And no matter what you may wanna say about the two songs, Nas won the battle. We could argue all day and the fact is that Jay put up a damn good fight. That’s why the battle is classic. But in terms of who won, it’s Nas hands all the way the fuck down!! There’s no other logical conclusion. Go and listen again to that Jay interview on hot 97. That’s not the sound of aman who just won. TRUST.

  • escobar9300

    The question wasnt who won the war my friend, the question is who won the battle. In 2009, Jay Z could easily be described as winning the war between himself and Nas due to the fantastic financial situation he put himself in, and eventually signing Nas under his lable. However, the question asked by the blogger was “Who ethered who” and the honest answer to that was Nas, plain and simple.

  • http://xxlmag.com gettinmoneycool

    I THINK JAY WON THIS. BLUEPRINT WAS A CLEVER TRACK. ETHER WAS ALSO HARD. AT THE END OF THE JAY BECAME PRESIDENT OF DEF JAM AND SIGNED THIS NIGGA TO THE LABEL. IF I PUT YOU ON WITH MY LABEL, I’M IN YOUR POCKETS HOMIE! JAY WINS!

    OH YEAH, YOU CAN CALL THAT NIGGA JAY WHATEVER YOU WANT ( CAMEL ), THE FACT IS THIS NIGGA GOT ONE OF THE FINEST BITCHES IN THE GAME. KELIS OR BEYONCE, TAKE YOUR PICK. JAY WINS AGAIN!

  • Doomsayer

    SIDEBAR: I know this is somewhat off topic…but why all the Nas hate? Just seems a bit much (50, Jim Jones, Soulja Boy…and the list goes on). Nas to me just seems like a different type of cat…so he reads books, is that a crime 50?). I know people say he didn’t do for his crew like all these other rappers have claimed to do, but have you looked at the state of rap crews lately…c’mon (Rocafella, Dipset, G-Unit, Cash Money even the Wu). So the Firm and Bravehearts didn’t set the world ablaze, but if my memory serves me right The Firm album went plat and who wasn’t singing Oochie Wallie? Yo, you can lead a Horse (no pun intended)to water but you can’t make it drink. Obviously Nas doesn’t chase the fame and almost seems uncomfortable in the spotlight. Just seems like he just wants to make music and live his life…and people are mad at him for that. All these supposed CEO/rappers have kind of hurt the game (excluding Jay-Z and 50)…just put out good music. Being a player and a General Manager is tough just ask Jordan…it’s not for everybody. Nas is an artist that doesn’t lust after the limelight like the rest and is just comfortable in his own skin. We should applaud that not villify it. Also, it’s hard to top hitting a homerun on your fist at bat (illmatic). Then everybody expects you to homer all the time. Imagine if Stevie Wonder put out ‘Songs in the Key of Life’ his first time out…as great as he is every endeavor following it would fall a bit short in comparison. This is the position that Nas is in…EVERYTHING he does will be compared to Illmatic for better or for worse…so how does he top that. And maybe it’s just not in him to top that…don’t hate him for it. If Nas had died after Illmatic and It was Written, we would be saying he was the greatest of all time like we do B.I.G. Give the man his due while he’s still here Hip Hop and stop tearing him down. So what if he can’t muster up another Illmatic…he’s still a father to many emcees styles out there whether they admit it or not.

  • mr.me too

    I honestly thinkl your perspective as to who won this battle depends on how you view it.

    If one those two songs were made about me I would perfer it be Ether. Ether was just a Nas talking shit. Period. No substance.

    Takeover is a truthful analyzation of a mans career. Truth hurts way more than fiction.

  • tterriffic

    Blueprint 2 killed all that shit anyway

  • Jhon da Analyst

    Why did Nas fuck with Murda Inc?? Just a question. Oh yeah, Nas ripped Jay on “Ether” like Canius ripped LL on “2nd round KO”

  • http://jaemayes.blogspot.com Milliano

    When he said Rockefella died from aids he wasnt referring to Jon D., he was referring to a cat from up there that passed. Redman also mentioned him on one of his earlier albums

  • Clever

    Seem like to me Nas Eithered his self. He went yaking off at da lips, then what he does, Signs to Def-Jam Under Jay-z. Whose Career got fire after that? Jay-z, I mean can’t take any credit away from Nas he’s ill, but That Takeover was a Death Sentence. Nas ended up getting put on that pimp hand. I’ve been listening and , it seems to me Nas is a Bit of a Contridiction. He is highly respected as one of the Dopest Illest Lyricist of All times. But, Deep down, I believe he knows…he failed. Everybody just boosted his head, but the die hard fans just didn’t want to except the fact that the only Eithering he did was bring this word into his Context. Jay-z planned this very well, to post up at da top spot, make another classic and, then have Nas on his Pimp hand. Well Done Hova , Well Done.

  • http://nahright.com Truth B Sha

    Listen! Blue Pill or Red Pill? ight
    Ether Was a spiritual ASS whipping those lines your complaining about that Nas said was just to break A successful but insecure Man.
    Ether was science,A term and power once used to rid possessed people of Evil spirits. NAS IS ILL! he hurt that man he gets into how J sold his soul which HE DID..a act many famous people do
    But people too ignorant to see it like that, HOV got yall callin him GOD so how can i tell yall different?

    What Jay insecure about?
    That he felt like he was the best Rapper But B.I.G gets the Title?
    That His Album Was To Him As Good as ILLMATIC but didnt get the same praise?

    He brain washed niggas since he started, Nas often didnt feel J because he enjoys self praise a technique that got the whole world sayin Weezy the best rapper…peep game it works

    Shit was More then music,
    So you see the career jabs ok,but Nas rocked him on a supernatural level thats why he was in Hot 97 all fucked up trying to clear shit up…

    One LOve
    Nas was the last nigga Jay-z should have crossed bottom line, Ether smoked him out….

    Now they cool which J wanted from day 1

  • Yrain1

    I think itr was all bullshit in the 1st place8 like Jay said I gave u life when niggas forgot u mc’d. “Im a legend u should take a picture of me u should be happy to be in my pressence I should charge u a fee.” that line right there really killed him though. But u gotta think Nas wasnt even being thought about back then he was done dead finito Jay gave that nigga his career back, he bought his name up out of nowhere ya digg and then gave Nas 10 months to a yr to respond, of course his shits gone be hot. Jays consistancy kills nas’ everytime just as in this case. But if you really wanna know who won just look at this when jay worked at def jam who signed who who worked for who? The man that writes checks wit the hand that dont write thats who

    • Q

      Don’t be foolish, Jay was trying to end Nas’ career and that’s what that beef woulda done if Nas had not come with it. Jay was on top when it started and thought he could take Nas out at a weak point, leaving Jay as undisputed. That’s why Ether goes so hard. If there was any doubt Nas was not bringing it, it was over for him. Nas saved Nas’ career, not Jay, by taking on the man who would be king and coming with the ish to say nah, you ain’t it.

      As to who writes checks, that’s not hip hop, unless you think bill gates is suddenly nice on the mic. We’re talking about a battle here, clown.

  • ghettygreen

    It’s funny how most people claim to have an unbiased opinion on who won the damn battle.
    NAS WON!!!! period, jay z fanatics still won’t admit it. look at jay’s intentions when he, made takeover, he tried to kick nas while he was down in case yall forgot. nas was just coming off of a whack nastradamus album and everyone was down on him. jay felt like should say what everyone was speculating about at the time, that nas was washed up and so on and so forth so he could solidify his spot at the king of new york. didnt quite happen like that, and even furthermore, nas took a minute to respond so everyone wrote nas off anyway. i think thats why ether made the impact it did. furthermore, jay felt like he had to go through nas the crown himself king of new york, or he wouldnt have addressed him in the first place

  • KingPoetic

    If we take Blueprint 2 into consideration that we must do the same for Last Real N***a Alive as well, which is infinitely superior

  • hardwaysyd

    NaS won. You sound like you need to get up out from under the camel’s nuts. Jay is a dick-riding faggot who loves attention!

  • AltDog

    1. The public determines who wins a battle. The public has always said NaS won. Jay-Z fans say that he won.

    2. Jay-Z didn’t OWN Def Jam, he was the President. Just another employee. I forget where I heard it, I think NaS’ ex said one of the reasons that NaS signed to Def Jam was because he received $5 Million. $5 Million will make me forget old beef, especially when I MURDERED YOU.

    3. Jay-Z admits he lost. Enuff said.

    4. He lost and keeps trying to go at Nasir. It’s like Shane Mosley asking Vernon Forrest for another fight. Shit Vernon has sonned Mosley several times (amateurs & twice in pros) and wouldn’t be interested in fighting him again. Where’s the challenge.

    5. “Ethered” may very well appear in the Oxford Dictionary like “bling-bling”.

    – I’ll admit that NaS’ career was in decline before the battle & nothing is more American than to root for the underdog, but God’s Son murked Jigga. The “collection” of Jay-Z’s disses were great, but the fact that he has to continue to justify his thug shows that he knows he lost.

    AltDog

  • http://www.TheDMVunderground.com Spellcheck

    Quick question, how many of Biggie’s rhymes are gonna come out of Jay’s fat lips? I mean y’all are so caught up on three words(dick sucking lips), which weren’t even a punchline, Nas pretty much just threw it in to keep his flow going, that you’re forgetting just how sick Ether was.

    No doubt Jay-Z’s diss on Takeover where he summarizes Nas’s career is dope: “Four albums in ten years nigga? I can divide
    That’s one every let’s say two, two of them shits was due
    One was – Nahhh, the other was “Illmatic”
    That’s a one hot album every ten year average”

    Just don’t forget Nas flipped it and did the same thing right back when he summed up Jay’s career: “Is he Dame Diddy, Dame Daddy or Dame Dummy? Oh, I get it, you Biggie and he’s Puffy.”

    And maybe Nas got the whole AIDs thing wrong, but if we are gonna ignore the 5 albums worth of lines Hova has bitten–which I’m willing to do cuz let’s face it, with the exception of the stuff he stole from Biggie, Snoop, Rakim, and Slick Rick, Jay just makes the lines sound better–then I think we can forgive one untruth for the very same reason, It sounds good. Don’t pretend that you’ve never said something untruthful to insult somebody, have you ever called someone a motherfucker? See my point?

    Politicians do it all the time, even Obama used attack ads. Sure it’s a dirty trick but it wins election, or this case, it wins beefs.

    And if you still can’t get over the Aids thing, which was only one line, then maybe the score of other clever insults drawn from fact will do it for you: “Y’all impatiently waiting. It’s like an AIDS test, what’s the results? Not positive. Who’s the best? Pac, Nas and Big”

    “This for dolo and it’s manuscript, just sound stupid/When KRS already made an album called Blueprint”

    “Foxy got you hot ’cause you kept your face in her puss
    What you think, you getting girls now ’cause of your looks?”

    Of course there’s more but this is post’s already pretty long, so I’ll try to avoid quoting the whole damn song.

    And as for Super Ugly, despite the fact that it was done in only like one day, it’s still weak compared to both Ether and Takeover. Jay-Z let his ego get in the way of his usually stellar business sense which would have told him to wait at least another day to bring the first and second verses up to par. “Damn I’m only worth over 100 million/Look I got beef with like 100 children”?? Is it just me or is that wack? C’mon Hova, you’re better than that shit man. Couldn’t you have just bitten something from Big L again to replace that?

    And though the last verse is pretty damn vicious–although some people, myself not included, think it’s a little too vicious–if you count them up there are really only six lines in the entire song that could be construed as truly def; and that’s being generous.

    Also Nas’s rhyme schemes in general were more complicated than Hova’s and his flow slightly more complex or at the very least quicker and–Jay-Z likes to come in the tiniest bit after the beat which gives his flow a very cool almost laid back feel but I think in a battle you need more energy which is why the beat for takeover was so damn good–neither of those necessarily make it better though.

    And although I think Nas should have a couple points docked for not responding to Super Ugly, Jay also lost points in a lot of peoples’ mind for what he said in Super Ugly and for not adequately responding to Ether. In the end it should be pretty clear to the objective listener that Nas won this beef.

    And if you disagree, “…ask Russell Simmons”

  • Tego

    Plus… Kanye West on autotune > Ron Brownz on autotune.

    Conclusive.

  • Oneofthemyo’s

    Fucking someones baby moms while the person was still with her then makiing that person call you boss>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>A fictional battle record.

    Nas won in the rap battle Jay-Z won in his and Nas’ life….simple.

  • Chris LeRwa

    Jay is more than iight but Nas is amazin!!!

    There are only 2 relevant diss track ever made.

    “HIT EM UP” and “ETHER” period!!!

    • DETROIT

      and DJ QUIK’s “Dollars and sense”

      • DV8

        and Ice Cube’s “No Vaseline”

  • GG

    I guess nobody ever heard the stillmatic freestyle. Nas laid it out with that and he laid it out with ether. What makes it more interesting is that Nas put the freestyle out on the low, while Jay had to do Takeover on a grand scale just to get everybody on is side. Besides super ugly was a hatmaker that didn’t even land.

    And the crap about his baby moms is ridiculous. I’m sure everybody has a homeboy with a child by some girl who is now a ho. That shit means nothing.

    I guess in a way not only did Nas lyrically defeat jay he out classed him

    Sorry folks, but I’m taking Stillmatic freestyle, ether and last real nigga alive over takeover, super ugly and blueprint

  • David

    peace god nas fucking killed jay-z on the ether song god.

  • The_Truth

    ***Ether is Hip-Hop royalty. . .every coast in America was feeling that track when it dropped, the buzz was FAR stronger than ‘Takeover’. To be honest, I listen to Takeover now and the shit’s kinda weak.

  • Real Talk

    Nas Ethered Jay Z. Period. I rock hos yall RocFellas. In a pine box, with nine shots, from my glock fellas.

  • the G.O.D

    Peace

    One comment why are all of you people up there trying to associate Nas with that bisexual or homo shit?. Is it because you guys are tring to come out of the closet and have a fixation on this man?. If I remember correctly even Jay was pleading with Beyone to pause her career so they could have time to make babies. Go listen to the song on Kingdom Come where he rhymes about ‘ having a baby by Free…blah, blah, something about proving that nothing is sexually wrong with him and also where bhe disses Nas for trying to be the black Hughes Hefner, last I check every normal male, Black or White would love to be in H.H’S spot at playboy. So instead of trying to poison any young black youth’s mind with your homo tendencies, go get some counselling or something.

    And rappers have always refer to wacker rappers as bitches and fags—hold up wait, not only rappers but cats in the streets would refer to their enemies as such; so go and pick up your How to be Hood/Black manual and learn something.

    Peace

  • DV8

    one thing alot of you on here seem to fail to realize is that Nas signed his deal with L.A. Reid not Shawn Carter. Look on HHID and Untitled, you dont see Jay-Z’s name anywhere. All Jay-Z did was introduce Nas to L.A. Reid.

  • Gambit

    What’s sad is I love you ’cause you’re my brother
    You traded your soul for riches
    My child, I’ve watched you grow up to be famous
    And now I smile like a proud dad, watching his only son that made it
    You seem to be only concerned with dissing women
    Were you abused as a child, scared to smile, they called you ugly?
    Well life is hard, hug me, don’t reject me
    Or make records to disrespect me, blatent or indirectly
    In ’88 you was getting chased through your building
    Calling my crib and I ain’t even give you my numbers
    All I did was gave you a style for you to run with
    Smiling in my face, glad to break bread with the god
    Wearing Jaz chains, no tecs, no cash, no cars
    No jail bars Jigga, no pies, no case
    Just Hawaiian shirts, hanging with little Chase
    You a fan, a phony, a fake, a pussy, a Stan
    I still whip your ass, you thirty-six in a karate class
    You Tae-bo hoe, tryna’ work it out, you tryna’ get brolic?
    Ask me if I’m tryna’ kick knowledge
    Nah, I’m tryna’ kick the shit you need to learn though
    That ether, that shit that make your soul burn slow

    GAME OVER RIGHT THERE.

    NAS WINS.

  • Moe Skrilla_HighSociety

    It looks like NaS fans take the same route as their hero and base their whole argument on jokes and emotion. If you Love Nas thats all good, that your opinion. But when you deal with the facts…Takeova & Super Ugly beats Ether and ( H to the izzo, Fa-shizzle you homo) whatever that was. What ya’ll need to do is “Smarten up”…shit Nas did

  • bctw

    DV8 – so you’re telling me that when NaS signed to def Jam that NaS did not answer to Jay-Z, who was the President and CEO of Def Jam Recordings?

    • DV8

      Nas had his own label situation and was under L.A.Reid’s watch. Why do you think he had so much of a problem putting out the “Nigger” album? L.A. wasnt diggin it and would not let Nas release the album with that title.

  • http://xxl All Dae

    Nas won. N.Y. confirmed it. Jay-Z admitted it. Damn the song itself gives you goosebumps it’s authentic. Jay-z put up a hell of a fight plus he started it. Both had good jab and yes Jay z dropped more diss records. In the end when the dust settled Nas was left standing.

  • bctw

    All Dae, let me finish that last sentence for you — “In the end when the dust settled NaS was left standing in Jay-Z’s shadow.”

  • blogmarley

    WOW! This has entertained me on a rather drab work day. Thanks a mil! I’m from the motherland (Nigeria stand up) and want to quickly say anyone who discounts my comments because of where I’m from just puts their ignorance on blast! And also, this is all about opinions and it is very unlikely that anyone’s opinion will be swayed but it is always good to read all arguments, no matter how dumb or ignorant.
    As I write, I’m not even sure where my vote stands but the fact that this is still a discussion 8 years after shows how important it was.
    Now, I’m on the Jay bandwagon but I have all Nas albums and agree Esco is the bidniss!
    For me, yes, Jay went at Nas and I do believe he is (maybe was) a Nas fan. No doubt. On “Where I’m From” when he spits, “…arguing all day about who’s the best MC, Biggie, Jay-Z or Nas?” it shows he puts Esco right up there with himself and the late great.
    Now, Big had been gone for 4 years when this beef shit hit the fan! So, for Jay’s claim to be the undisputed King of NY to hold any water, there was only one more stumbling block… NASIR BIN OLUDARA (A Nigerian name by the way, which means “God is good!”)!
    I don’t know what exactly “Prodigy” did (because Havoc was really guilty by association more than anything else) but he got 3 verses on Takeover while Nas got the ONE (very important) verse. Jay spat his opinion of Nas, factual or otherwise is another debate. A lot of people just seemed to agree with his opinion and so, regarded his verse to be fact. When I heard that verse, I was like it’s a wrap for Esco. Nas is finally done! There’s no coming back from that. He’s DONE!
    Then, I was in London when I got a call from my boy in NY (a fellow Jay disciple) telling me about how sick Ether was. I being a staunch Jay supporter refused to agree. Taking into consideration the time difference, I was having this convo at 3am! I admit, it affected my sleep cuz I was up by 9am and caught the “Got Urself A Gun” video on MTV. I dragged my stank ass to the record store immediately after that to cop STILLmatic. This was a Saturday morning and with “Ether” being track 2, I didn’t listen to the rest of the album until MONDAY because I couldn’t get past TRACK 2!
    Like Jay, Nas caught me off guard! Even though Nas was clowning son, rather than giving an “intellectual” if you will, break down of what Jay’s career had been all about, IT WAS BANANAS! And to my co-Jay people, I’m sorry but isn’t CLOWNIN’ part of a battle? If Takeover & Ether were done in an 8-Mile type setting, who do you think would have won? Put it in that perspective!
    If I have to try and focus on just the songs in the battle, with Ether & Takeover taking prominence, I’ll say the scale tips in Nas’ favor. And this is coming from someone who admittedly has called him self Jay’Zon (as in, son of Jay-Z)!
    side bar: with that confession, if any of you thinks I’m gay, send your girl over and have her confirm. But I will say this, that was some gay shit on my part. Sheesh!
    Anyway, as far as the battle goes (if I’m not mistaken, that is what this blog is about) I have to say Nas had the better diss track. It’s like a 100m race Nas finished in 9.7secs with Hov doing 9.83.
    However, in true die hard fan style, I have to pick up some points for Hov (on that gay shit again, eh? Whatever! No homo man!)
    The fact that there’s an argument about a solitary verse against an entire song? Score some points for Hov. Then, as a fan, Hov had to be pleased (relieved even) that Nas did indeed have something left in the tank. And to think that he’s the one that brought that fire back out of Nas? That has to re-affirm that he is indeed one of the nicest. Neither of them would have wasted their time on a bummy ass rapper.
    Also, it could have been a move to bring the spotlight back over New York with the imminent southern invasion, eh?
    Anyway, for whatever reason, sad but true, in MY INDEPENDENT OPINION, Nas won but I’m still riding with Team Roc!

    PS – Jumping out of character, I must say that Nas showed his ignorance on “Ya’ll My Niggas” with that comment “They’ve got Nigeria & Niger, two different countries/somehow Niger turned to Nigger, shit got ugly!” Nigeria was coined in 1914 when the place was dubbed the “Niger area” because of the River Niger that ran through it! And I just showed my ignorance because I’m not sure how Niger (actually pronounced “Knee-Jeer”) came about but Nigger had been around long before my country homey! Maybe Nigeria came from Nigger as it does house the largest black population (150 million strong) on earth!!!

    Why did I comment again? Did anybody actually read this???

  • dark vanilla

    I’m not even gonna argue, mostly cuz most ignorant fans and XXL suck the dick of Jay-Z, 50 cent, and Lil Wayne. It doesn’t matter what kinda disses there opposers throw and how many times they get brutally stomped to the ground. To everyone, Jay-Z is better than Nas, 50 cent has won all his beefs, and Lil Wayne is one of the best lyricists ever. The reason why Jay-Z is considered better than Nas is because you guys are all girls who would rather listen to a catchy bouncy song from Jay-Z than a real song that actually speaks bout something from Nas. Hip Hop is disgrace. I can’t even turn on the radio anymore.

  • saracsm

    dark vanilla:

    What “real song” by Nas are you talking about?

    Maybe “Big Girl”? Or maybe “You Owe Me,” which features that “real” singer Ginuwine.

    How about “The Makings of the Perfect Bitch”? Now surely that is one of those “real songs” you’re talking about right?

    LOL Jay might make pop songs but none are as bad as the above! That Big Girl song was fucking atrocious and inexcusable!

  • Hypnotic7

    “What do ya’ll feel?”

    Umm I feel like you should just let it go like Jay and Nas did.

    I feel like it was a slow day so you’re reaching for a topic to sucker people into reponding.

    Damn… I fell for it…FUCK!

  • Silky Johnson

    I’m a big fan of Nas & Jay, and I’m a big fan of both Takeover & Ether.
    Ether was funny as shit to me, but at the same time Takeover had a cold precision to it that I felt Ether lacked.

    “Went from, Nasty Nas to Esco’s trash
    Had a spark when you started but now you’re just garbage
    Fell from top ten to not mentioned at all
    to your bodyguard’s “Oochie Wally” verse better than yours
    Matter fact you had the worst flow on the whole fuckin song
    but I know – the sun don’t shine, then son don’t shine
    That’s why your – LAAAAAAAME! – career come to a end
    There’s only so long fake thugs can pretend
    Nigga; you ain’t live it you witnessed it from your folks pad
    You scribbled in your notepad and created your life
    I showed you your first tec on tour with Large Professor
    (Me, that’s who!) Then I heard your album bout your tec on the dresser
    So yeah I sampled your voice, you was usin it wrong
    You made it a hot line, I made it a hot song
    And you ain’t get a coin nigga you was gettin fucked and
    I know who I paid God, Serchlite Publishing
    Use your – BRAAAAAAAIN! You said you been in this ten
    I’ve been in it five – smarten up Nas
    Four albums in ten years nigga? I can divide
    That’s one every let’s say two, two of them shits was due
    One was – NAHHH, the other was “Illmatic”
    That’s a one hot album every ten year average
    And that’s so – LAAAAAAAME! Nigga switch up your flow
    Your shit is garbage, but you try and kick knowledge?
    (Get the fuck outta here) You niggaz gon’ learn to respect the king
    Don’t be the next contestant on that Summer Jam screen
    Because you know who (who) did you know what (what)
    with you know who (yeah) but just keep that between me and you for now”

    That verse alone…compares to if not beats anything on Ether.

    Super Ugly wasn’t even that bad, it was funny as hell…that line about leaving condoms in Carmen’s baby seat was hilarious.

    Ether + Takeover are both classic diss records, but it’s a matter of preference do you prefer the vehemence and rage of Ether, or the coldness of the Takeover.

  • http://www.yahoo.com Dra$t-iQ Alkoholik

    man fuck Gay-Z that nigger was merked by Nas that’s why niggas refer to getting “ethered” when a nigger gets killed on wax and not getting “take overed”

  • eddieman

    hey everybody guess what? when someone gets mossed thats randy moss as to point out your ether word usage, Nas ethered Jay. Nas maybe randy moss excellent talent could have been the greatest then got lost and made a comeback when he got to new England but Jay? thats Jerry Rice baby most consistant the best of all time with his..nas won the battle true. if he is so smart how come he didnt come up like Jay? Jay is ugly, but he has to have game, yes he pulled Free from 106 and park got her preggy and got her to have an abort. oh he talks about it on kingdom come by the way in trouble listen really closely. and managed to stay with B and marry her. So yes nas killed jay on that track, but umm who else could have survived that hit and comeback like that? the black album, kingdom come is hot too its just that people are so used to hearing garbage they dont recognize real lyrics anymore, and jay could have used other beats for those lyrics too. but lets say any bum like me where to spit the same lyrics i would be a great mc but cuz you hear it from jay you hold him to a different expectation, yes jordan used to miss sometimes. any way even though nas killed jay, jay won in life and thats all that matters, we can argue all day here, while nas gets cheated on by kelis, yea theres supposed to be a video…and jay goes to bed with B and all the dough we cant imagine.

  • FlapJack

    In retrospect, Jay won.
    Takeover >>>>>>>>Ether

  • King Arun

    Jigga won!

  • Rell

    Im not gonna lie, Im not a real fan of Nas but he really got at Hov on that “Either”. I mean that was the only reason I bought “Stillmatic”, which was pretty decent. But when Jay dropped that “Super Ugly”, I was like “Damn this thing is bout to get real nasty”. A lot of ppl think Nas won cause they compare “Ether” to “Supery Ugly”,which is dumb that was just Jay’s way of saying I can take it real personal with you. What about the joint Hov dropped on the Blue Print 2? “You street dreamin, all you niggas livin thru, I gave you life when niggas was forgettin you MC. “And ya’ll buy the shit, caught up in the hype,cause a nigga where a kufe it dont mean bright/cause you do cause you dont understand him it dont mean that he nice/Its me you dont understand,all the bullshit that he writes/”. I say it was good entertaining battle, good for hip hop, got both mc’s to go hard, but Jay won overall but not by that much.

  • ne_where_gang

    This is the smartest thing i heard Jay-z & 50 say, IF U KEEP GOING IN THE BATTLE U LOST!!!!!!!

    For Example, Jay-Z did Takeover Nas did Ether & for Jay-z to make more songs a la’ Super Ugly & BP2 he obviously was losing or lost. If Ether would have been wack JAY-Z would been like pssssshhhhhh I won NO RESPONSE.

    i AGREE with Daddy Mac Jay was hurt on Hot 97 when u ever seen Jay hurt? NAS WON aint no war

  • http://DopeIsAsDopeDoes.Wordpress.Com Karnage

    I love “Takeover” and I love “Ether” and it wasnt a blow out in ANY sense. But Nas won this battle. Two reasons Nas won:

    1. “Ether” > “Takeover”
    2. Jay’s response was weaker than Ether.

    Now let me focus on the 2nd one first. This whollllle beef started from Nas’ “Stillmatic Freestyle”(it began with a freestyle, remember that) and Jay responded with a CLASSIC “Takeover” SONG. So Jay was ahead. Then Nas responded to that with a better SONG, “Ether”. So Nas was back to being ahead. And then Jay released the iight “Superugly” FREESTYLE. So right there you can see how Jay lost…Nas was up, Jay got him with Takeover, Nas got back up with Ether..JAY STAYED DOWN with “Superugly”.

    You could say..”OHHH THAT WAS ONLY A QUICK FREESTYLE”..but you have to understand..when you’re in a battle of this magnitude..EVERY MOVE COUNTS. And since Jay couldnt top Nas’ “Ether” after Nas topped “Takeover”..Jay lost.

    Now onto the hot topic..”Ether > Takeover”

    The reason why Ether was better than Takeover, is because Ether had everything Takeover had…AND EMOTION. When you hear “Takeover” Jay sounds like he has a false sense of arrogance like..”I got all the dirt on this nigga, he aint got shit on me.” You say Takeover and Superugly are based in facts…the ONLY fact people seem to be talking about is that Jay fucked his baby’s mom(which was confirmed). But that’s the ONLY truthful thing everyone can CONFIRM.

    Can’t confirm Nas had to buy his chain back.
    Can’t confirm that Nas got chased out the Source Sound Lab.

    Jay fucking Nas’ baby’s mom is what is confirmed.

    Nas on other hand said had scathing facts..

    John D Rockerfeller DIDNT die from AIDS no, but Jay-Z is naming his company after a guy who had Nazi ties and wanted to wipe entire races out(http://educate-yourself.org/cn/genociderockefellernazis2apr03.shtml)

    Eminem KILLED Jay on his “classic” album

    Jay-Z does steal Biggie lines

    Jay-Z was 36 in a Karate class(Even though Jay-Z’s best friend, Biggie, once said “This motherfucker wanna try and use Kung-Fu. Instead of a Mac 10/He tried scrapping/Slugs hit his back and/That’s what the fuck happens.”)

    And Nas..JUST LIKE JAY..had street facts(Getting chased, wearing Hawaiian Sofie shirts, no priors, stabbing Un Rivera..which Jay kinda confirmed in “Dear Summer”.)

    So look at it objectively…and u’ll see..Nas won.

  • jfoxgotraps

    the headline is the answer. Ether……yeah i think nas won. and jay say s something about “even in defeat” on BP 2.

  • dark vanilla

    If Hov really won, then why to we use the term ethered? “Why is this blog called “Who really got ETHERED”. This is just a way for a Jigga dickrydas to find some reason so that Hov won. And Hov didn’t wasn’t more successful than Nas cuz he won the beef. He was more successful because of different reasons.

  • Simon

    “Then when he goes “Rockefeller died from AIDS and that’s who you named your company after.” John D. Rockefeller didn’t die from AIDS”

    ^^^^^^

    Pretty sure Rocka-feller was a rapper who was down w/ Jay in the early years, who did pass away (as a result of AIDS, according to Nas).

    The point being that Nas was NOT refering to John D Rockerfeller, but actually a homie of Jay’s that was the inspiration for the label’s name back in the early years (I think the rapper in question is featured posthumously on track #9 of Redmans “Dare iz a Darkside”, entitled “Rockafella”).

    Connecting the dots, I could be wrong.

    one.

  • Chieflo

    We now use the word “Ether” casually to describe when someone got roasted destroyed or beaten on a track. Hell alot of people use it to describe people getting their pride hurt in everyday life. therefore Nasir won. easily

  • Clo305

    everyone seems to forget the stillmatic freestyle

  • drue valence

    in 88 you was gettin chased in your building calling my crib and i aint even give you my numbers/ all i did was give you a style for you to run wit/ smilin in my face glad to break bread with the gods/wearing jaz chains,no tecs, no cash, no cars.no jail bars jigga,no pies,no case, just hawaiian shirts,hangin with little chase/ you a fan, a phoney a fake a pussy a stan/ i’ll still wup your ass/ you 36 in a karate class/you taebo hoe/tryin to work it out/ you tryin to get brolic /ask me if im i tryin to kick knowledge/ nah im tryin to kick that shit you need to learn thought/ that ether the shit that make your soul burn slow/ is dame diddy,dame daddy or dame dummy/ oh i get you biggie and he puffy / rockafella died of aids and thats was the end of his chapter / and thats guy yall choose to name your company after / put it together i rock hoes / yall rock fellas / and now yall tryin to take my spot fellas/ feel these hot rocks fellas/ put you in a dry spot fellas/ in a pinebox wit nine shot from my glock fellas/ foxy got you hot cause you kept your face in her puss/ what you think you gettin girls now cause of your looks/ negro please/ you no mustache havin/wit whiskers like a rat/ compared to beans you wack/ and your man stabbed un and made you take the blame/you ass / went from jaz, to hanging wit kane to irv to big /and eminem murdered you on you own shit/ you a dig ridin faggot you love the attention/ queens niggas run you niggas ask russell simmons /roc get gunned up and clapped quick / jj evans get gunned up and claaped quick / your whole damn record label get gunned up and clapped quick/ shawn carter to jay-z damn you on jaz dick/ some little shorties get gunned up and clapped quick / how much of biggie rhymes gonna come out your fat lip / wanted to be on every one of my classics / you pop shit and apologized nigga just ask kiss,,,,,,NEED I SAY MORE,,,,,,JAY TOOK A L,,,DEAL WIT DEAL WIT IT,,,,