1988 > 1998 > 2008

This year, 2008, is the 20th anniversary of 1988 – a year that widely considered one of the best years evar in hip-hop, right up there with 1994. I figure this is as good a time as any to bitch and moan about the current state of hip-hop.

It first occurred to me that I might do a story about 1988, the year in hip-hop, a few weeks ago, when I saw a bunch of other sites were taking a looking back at classic songs and albums from that year and what have you. But the truth of the matter is that I’m a bit too young to sit here and front like 1988 was really my year, on a personal.

That being said, I still thought it was rather silly, the other day, when Jackpot did that story on which was the better year for rap albums, 1988 or 1998. When I saw the headline, all I could think was, “Seriously? Does anyone actually even think 1998 was a good year for rap albums?”

1998 was actually the year I stopped buying rap albums at nearly the same rate as I had been up until that point. Part of the problem was that the overall scope of my interest in music was starting to expand, and I was just beginning to have the means to really indulge myself. (Imagine if the Internets, as they exist today, had been around back then.) You can see the result of that in some of the writing I do for my own site.

But part of the problem is that hip-hop, at least as far as I’m concerned, definitely took a turn for the worse in ’97-’98. All of that Master P shit, which was fucking ubiquitous back in those days, was just awful. It actually gave me a newfound respect for 2Pac, who was clearly the progenitor of that sort of thing. Then on the East Coast, there was that Swizz Beatz sound, which I wasn’t a very big fan of, either. So obviously it was difficult for me to appreciate when a lot of dudes started doing those kinds of records.

Still, looking over the list of albums from 1998 Jackpot put together to pad out his post (which actually ended up serving as a valuable resource to me anyway – bonus!), I couldn’t help but think: this is actually a pretty solid list of albums, if not relative to some of the other years in the 1990s, at least compared to some of the shit we’ve been subjected to recently.

Which brings me to my point. Has anyone actually stopped to consider how much worse hip-hop is today compared to even 1998 – a year when I think a lot of us, at the time, already felt hip-hop had kinda fallen off? Holy crap! It makes me wonder, if I was a little kid today, would I even get really into hip-hop in the first place, or would I just be into the kind of shit I mostly listen to today? I know a lot of the younger hip-hop heads I talk to still crank a lot of the older shit, but that’s never really been my m.o. It probably does take being white to spend a significant amount of time listening to older music.

Speaking of which, I wonder if there’s anyone who would actually beg to differ. I would put this to my former go-to guy for these matters, the late, great Noz, but he’s no longer with us. (I wonder what he’s planning to do now.) But I wonder if he’d actually try to put together a list of obscure-for-a-reason regional rap that might compare favorably to the 1998 list, or if he’d just concede that rap is not what it once was. We’re not just getting old. (Though we are.) This shit is going downhill.

What do you old fucks think? If you were all kids today, would current hip-hop hold any kind of fascination for you at all, other than for schadenfreude purposes? Also, projecting things out another 10 years, do you think people will actually look back wistfully on 2008 as being not nearly as bad as it seemed at the time? This shit can’t actually get any worse, can it? Speak on it.

  • TheR

    Rap is soon to be over

  • og bobby j

    Hip hop is nothing like it used to be. I blame the internet and merican culture as a whole.

    The internet…for the obvious over exposure of it all…..

    AMerican culture. and more directly hip hop, went from expression of hardships (see Biggie’s “everyday struggles”, Nas’s “NY state of Mind” or countless other songs) and a reflection of the urban lifestyle and transformed into a glorication of being an ignorant, uneducated drug dealer proud to be soooo hood.

    Rap died when it become cool to be ignorant and a follower…..bottomline

    92-2003 is the hip hop golden era….its all downhill from there

    • flo-rida evans

      Actually,the golden age of rap was ’88 to ’92,and if you want to get technical,’86 to ’90.Do yo rap math homeworks…

    • Nad

      og bobby j speaks da truth nas did say it hip hop is dead evertyhing now is to commerical and sounds like hip pop more than hip hop

  • The Spaniard

    “It actually gave me a newfound respect for 2Pac, who was clearly the progenitor of that sort of thing”

    Zeus be damned if this isn’t the most insightful statement I’ve read all week.

    “What do you old fucks think? If you were all kids today, would current hip-hop hold any kind of fascination for you at all, other than for schadenfreude purposes?”

    If I was a kid today, and this was the base of the music, Hip Hop would be a complete fucking joke to me. I probably would be one of those people I run into every now and then that has no particular interest in music of any sort at all.

    • $ykotic

      ‘NUFF SAID. READ MY POST BELOW.

  • Be a Nigger Too

    If hip-hop is so bad in 2018 that we actually think 2008 was a decent year i might kill myself. I haven’t bought an album yet this year and honestly the only albums I’m looking foward to buy NOW is Nas’, Common’s, Cube’s & Game’s.

    • DevilintheFlesh

      The last album i even bothered to download was Lupe Fiasco “The Cool”….thats when u know its horrible, they can’t even give the shit away.

      • Be a Nigger Too

        LOL! Real muthafuckin talk!

  • Justice4all

    Wow, I would say that in this current state of hip hop (if we call it that), we have a shortage of “Eventful” music and or artist. By that I mean, it’s actually something special in the artist and the music that makes us want to run to a mom & pop shop to cop it. Something to look forward to. Aside from the usuals of K.West, Jay-Z, Nas and Wayne, hip hop is at a lost for quality ARTIST and music. Sure you can name your B-side artist, but they are contributing to a culture? No,they are mearly riding off the success of the latest R&B Vocoder singer. Where is the originaltiy, where is the courage to make an album that has not been done? Making a song that sounds like someone else’s recent hit ‘ala (Shawty Lo)is a clear example of what hip hop has become…a nation of biters. Remember when it was uncool to do a song remotly like another rapper (80′s & early 90′s), but some how the corporate thugs, so desperate for a hit and to save their necks, they forced their artist to make songs that sound like the last hit that was on your local hot whatever radio station. This has created a recipe for disaster. If you have a bad product, you have bad sales…economics 102. That’s why you can have a smash hit on the radio and sell 57,000 copies of the album (ask D4L). The rest of the album was garbage, actually the smash hit was garbage, but it was forced down our throats so we accepted it. When we start totally ignoring the garbage music, the rappers will be forced to become artist. But until then, we are forced to listen to “Brisco” and “Flo-Ridah”. Shameful.

  • Justice4all

    Wow, I would say that in this current state of hip hop (if we call it that), we have a shortage of “Eventful” music and or artist. By that I mean, it’s actually something special in the artist and the music that makes us want to run to a mom & pop shop to cop it. Something to look forward to. Aside from the usuals of K.West, Jay-Z, Nas and Wayne, hip hop is at a lost for quality ARTIST and music. Sure you can name your B-side artist, but they are contributing to a culture? No,they are mearly riding off the success of the latest R&B Vocoder singer. Where is the originaltiy, where is the courage to make an album that has not been done? Making a song that sounds like someone else’s recent hit ‘ala (Shawty Lo)is a clear example of what hip hop has become…a nation of biters. Remember when it was uncool to do a song remotly like another rapper (80′s & early 90′s), but some how the corporate thugs, so desperate for a hit and to save their necks, they forced their artist to make songs that sound like the last hit that was on your local hot whatever radio station. This has created a recipe for disaster. If you have a bad product, you have bad sales…economics 102. That’s why you can have a smash hit on the radio and sell 57,000 copies of the album (ask D4L). The rest of the album was garbage, actually the smash hit was garbage, but it was forced down our throats so we accepted it. When we start totally ignoring the garbage music, the rappers will be forced to become artist. But until then, we are forced to listen to “Brisco” and “Flo-Ridah”….

  • FLA954

    yeah hiphop was on the decline in 98′. it was obvious. the South really did ruin hiphop. it was fine with you had Outkast, Geto Boys, etc. but when it got passed to Master P it gave a voice to a group of people that we needed to hear from, but they sort of passed the torch to their retarded cousins, i.e. Field Mob, Ying Yang Twins, and then you have Webbie and Plies continuing the cooning.

    it’s sad.

  • Zo

    Its a very sad time for Hip Hop. I remember when it used to make me feel good. Mainly because MC’s where saying exactly what I was thinking at that time in my life. Hip Hop was a tool that brought us together. Made us feel like we where all brotha’s and sista’s. Now??? We have the have’s and the have not’s. No kind of unity involed in the music (if that’s what you call it)… How many different ways are there fo you to tell me that you’re rich??? I heard you the 1st time… Can we move on? Please!!! Ignorance is definatly bliss in this day and age of Hip Hop.

  • JONATHAN

    I KNOW 1988 SOME OLDER CHICK HAD SEX WITH ME! WHO CAN THINK TO 1988! SERIOUSLY! WHO CAN REMEMBER 1988! THANX FOR THE HINTS THOUGH! I APPRECIATE IT! SERIOUSLY! GOODLOOKING!

  • Dub Sac

    I’m 26, and yes, I think the quality of music in general has declined. There’s not a lot of current artists I check for (Radiohead, Ghostface, Nas, Lupe – and even all of them have been around for awhile) in either rock or hip-hop. I mostly go back in time at the record store, but I’m white, so I guess that’s to be expected, right?

    Like Chris Rock said, it’s getting harder to defend hip-hop on an intellectual level. There was something ambitious and beautiful about the sampled sound collages of 90′s production and there was a drive to one-up other MCs on a lyrical level that doesn’t seem to exist (as much) these days.

    Hip-hop now seems to only refer back to itself, whereas it was once still “hip-hop” to sample rock, jazz and soul records in the same production. These days hip-hop is afraid and insular and wants to dismiss everything outside itself.

  • northern california bay area

    theres always good hip hop music out there you juss gotta find it

    as im shure most of you know, tha really good shit is hard to find…

  • northern california bay area

    theres always good hip hop music out there you juss gotta find it

    as im shure most of you know, tha really good shit is hard to find…

    oh and i separate mtv/bet/radio hip hop from everything else,

    if you juss pretend like mtv/bet/radio dont exist and never listin to the crap they play, you’ll see hip hop music isnt in as bad as shape as you think

    • $ykotic

      SO TRUE. READ MY POST BELOW.

  • http://www.incilin.blogspot.com Incilin

    Hip hop fell the fuck off, hardbody. You might say 98 is trash, but I still fucks with it. There was a few joints that came out that year that I still fuck it (Pun, Xzibit, Jay, DMX) But 08? It aint even a question? The only recent release this year has been Roots. Aside from a couple mixtapes, hip hop aint shit.

    Thank god I got into hip hop when I did. Cuz if I aint, and I was a youngin right now, I’d prolly listen to that indie hipster bullshit.

  • http://myspace.com/yeahirap myspace.com/yeahirap

    most music now is horrible can’t get around that frill frill Lupe album was dope there’s still alot of dope music just back in the day the doper you were the more you were pushed to the fore front there has been a reverse on that the more gimmick the less talent the more the mainstream feeds into you you know the music is out there but it is just not always in your face got to check for it but I love my music circa 87-96

  • niggafrommemphis

    these cats today are givin,or think theu are giving,the world what they want instead of what they need,like they were doing 20 years ago.crack was becomin epidemic at the time,now it’s a sad way of life,these kids aren’t inspired to say some real real shit,all they want to do is get high and fuck.

  • $ykotic

    IF U CHECK LAST WEEKS BLOG ON THE 88-98 VIEWS U WILL SEE I ASKED THE QUESTION: IS IT ME OR HAS RAP NOT PROGRESSED IN THE LAST 10 YRS? AND THE ANSWER IS THAT HIP HOP HAS FALLEN OFF. THE EARLY DAYS ON A WARM SUMMER DAY WE WOULD SET THE EQUIPMENT OUTSIDE AND GET 1000 PLUS JUST LISTENING TO MUSIC. THE DIVERSITY IN MUSIC WAS SICK. I FEEL BAD FOR THE NEW GENERATION BECAUSE
    MOST OF THESE “RAPPERS” SOUND ALIKE. BUT I KNOW BETTER AND IT IS THE MAJOR LABELS’ FAULT. 1998 SAW A MIGRATION OF “OTHER” ARTISTS BEING INTRODUCED, BUT I STILL WOULD RATHER BUY THOSE ALBUMS THAN 2008 ALBUMS. THIS IS THE REASON WHY ALBUM SALES HAVE FALLEN OFF. THE OLDER GENERATION WILL NOT BUY TODAY’S MUSIC. OUR PARENTS ARE HIP HOPPERS AND THE MUSIC TODAY HAS ALIENATED THEM.

    CREATE A 30+ FORMAT FOR HIP HOP AND WE CAN ALL EAT.

    P.S. NO DISRESPECT TO THE NEW JACKS. BUT I KNOW PLENTY YOUNGINS AND YA’LL HAVEN’T EVEN SEE “ROOTS” OR KNOW ABOUT IT.

    IF YOU DO NOT KNOW ABOUT YOUR PAST AND EMBRACE IT, YOU HAVE NO FUTURE.

  • KLETEWOOD

    The hip hop Golden era will never fade away….It started with “Children’s Story” by Slick Rick in 88′ and ended with….I don’t even know!…the South.

    I guess for me…it ended with the Hyphy movement. For a minute…the BAY was knocking. The Bay still knocks…but, not on the mainstream level.

    We are currently in a Hip-Hop “Slump”. Thats why we are still listening to old shit.

    But, I have a feeling Dr. Dre will dominate the industry again and bring hip hop back. Hopefully, more sooner than later.

    • $ykotic

      REAL TALK PIMPIN’. SLICK WAS THE MOST COVETED FREE AGENT FROM 85-87!!!

      AGAIN THIS IS WHY I SAY WE NEED A 30+ FORMAT IN HIP HOP. I SAW SLICK PERFORM LAST YEAR AND HE’S GOT SOME NEW JOINTS THAT ARE STRICTLY FIRE!!! BUT U KNOW THE MAJORS WANT HIM TO MAKE SOME “SOULJAH BOY” MUSIC WHICH HE WILL NOT DO.

      WE WHO ARE BEHIND THE SCENES IN THIS GAME NEED TO RE-THINK THE FORMULA.

      REMEMBER WHEN MOTOWN WOULDN’T ALLOW MARVIN GAYE TO RELEASE THAT “SEXUAL HEALING” ALBUM? THEY TOLD HIM HE WAS NOT “REVELANT” TO ’80′S R & B?

      THAT ALBUM GAVE HIM HIS CROWN BACK!!!

      YOU KNOW THE GOLDEN AGE ARTIST’S ARE STILL MAKING FIRE!

      I DON’T HEAR ROCKERS CALLING THE STONES “OLD HEADS”. THEY CALL THEM “ROCK GODS”. WE NEED THAT RESPECT WITHIN HIP HOP.

      ANYONE IN THE INDUSTRY REPLY TO THIS POST. I HAVE THE FORMAT WHICH COULD WORK FOR ALL SIDES AND IS FOOLPROOF.

      HIP HOP IS DEAD. RAP IS DYING A SLOW DEATH.
      LET’S RE-INCARNATE THE CRAFT!!!!

      • BIGNAT

        earth wind and fire always sell out to me that means they are revelant also at the price at them tickets shit. our artist are not called gods with the exception of james brown. that man had every name in the book my favorite was the hardest working man in show business. also “rock gods” is what most of the people think who are there fans. new bands don’t feel that way and there fans think of the stones as old heads. new bands want there old asses to stop touring so they can get some of those millions. just like a new rap artist will call a legend washed up. people who grow up on these new rap artist going think jay and nas are washed up just by there age. my neice told me the other day jay-z is good rapper but he is almost 40. in the rap game you always gotta seem young and fresh. in the rock game if you own a 5 to 10 year period when you sold alot of records you are basically set for life.

  • ty from linden blvd

    88 was the year that i really really really got into hip hop.i would ask my moms to cop certain albums for me and when ever we went to the mall i always picked up a tape of a artist i liked.

    i had always liked rap music but between 88-91 is when i really started to get a understanding of what i liked and why i liked it.

    i don’t even remember what albums came out in 98,or what i might have been listening to.shit don’t even count.

    • $ykotic

      AND IN NY AT THAT TIME RADIO WASN’T REALLY COMMITTED TO RAP! HOT 97 WOULD ONLY PLAY TOP BILLBOARD STUFF! IT WAS THE SUPREME TEAM AND MR MAGIC THAT BROKE ARTISTS! RALPH MCDANIELS HELPED A LOT OF DUDES GET ON. LOVE U TO DEATH FOR THAT BABY BOY. I LIVE IN PORTLAND,OREGON NOW AND 2 WKS AGO THE MAIN RAP STATION THAT WOULD PLAY THE STREET MUSIC CHANGED TO SPORTS TRASH AND THE RAP MOVED TO A STATION THAT DOESN’T EVEN COME IN CLEAN!!!! I TELL DUDES OVER HERE THAT THE PROBLEM WITH EAST-WEST STUFF IS THE ACCESS. THEY PLAY MORE OLD SCHOOL AND NOT FOUND MUSIC HERE THAN ANYTHING.

      NOT TO SOUND REDUNDANT PEOPLE BUT THE FORMAT NEEDS TO CHANGE!!!!

  • DarkMasta313

    I’m with northern california bay area,shit most of the “underground” rappers is ill. It’s just rap is being aimed at kid’s nowaday’s,and even with those lame ass tactics rappers aint selling. I’m 17 and I ain’t bumpin no wayne or “swagger rappers”‘ thats just rapin’ the industry.I ain’t hatin I’m just being real. By the way,pick up that Immortal Tec when it drops my people.peace.

  • BIGNAT

    i would say no because the only reason i started with rap. was because of wu and snoop i was born in 82 but i did not really fuck with it until like 92 93. i knew what was going on with the music my brothers made me help them carry the crates of records. keep my ass out all night with them at the little park in front the building just chilling. i did not start buying the music until 36 chambers and doggystyle came out. that was music i needed to have thats something i liked. since then i been a fan ever since. i buy less and less albums every year the rap that comes out sucks. i am on datpiff downloading fucking mixtapes and mixes and i think trill 1 was better than trill 2

  • avenger xl

    88-98 was a unprecedented hot era in hiphop. But most importantly because the media hadn’t boxed hiphop in and marketed the life blood out of it. Now it’s time has past and it is only left with hungry culture vultures trying to pick it’s bones dry and old cats like myself missing the music that once spoke to them like soul spoke to our parents.

    Blacktronica and Black punk is the new avante gar but I don’t think it will touch a generation like hiphop did.

    I think hiphop will be the last great music movement period in this new web generation.

  • moresickaMC

    88-98 were hiphops best years. 99-2003 were its last gasps of breath with the Aftermath/Shady/Gunit era

    • KLETEWOOD

      Co-Sign, Co-Sign,Co-Sign,Co-Sign,Co-Sign,Co-Sign,Co-Sign,Co-Sign,Co-Sign,Co-Sign

      We’ll fucking said. The Aftermath/Shady/G-unit era was the last of a great era.

      50 tried to bring it back by him-self and flopped hard (not a super flop)…but, Lloyd Bank’s second album Flopped. Young Bucks second album Flopped. The new G-Unit album won’t be the same without Buck. Ever since he took on all these projects by himself….it hasn’t been the same.

  • henry

    1m 17 and i never would of got into hip hop if my friend didnt force me to listen to illmatic

    shit now is just sad but theres good ones out there, just gotta search

  • W2

    What I liked in hip-hop as a teen in 1990 would apply to 2008 even in its weakened state.

    Why? I can understand hip-hop as opposed to whatever the fuck they’re saying in rock. And while rap is overproduced at times the rawness of the lyrics–and overall simplicity in its rhythmic sound–is still there.

    I wasn’t into other forms of music until I hit college anyway. Sure, lyrics have gotten shittier but my frame of reference is from 1990 not 2008 and there are still decent lyricists if you look on the Net hard enough.

    To me if rock can have its shitty “corporate rock” and “hair metal” eras and still churn out groups like Nirvana then hip-hop can have its “ringtone rap” phase and move on.

    I think people will look back at 2008 rap like people look at the 1980s synthesizer music and at first make fun of the shit and then sample it to death …

  • Sleepy Wonder

    I Was 10 When I Heard My First Hip Hop Album From Beginning To End And Loved It In 96. It Was Nas’ “It Was Written”. I Can’t Imagine Me Being 10 And Having My First Album Being Something Like Soulja Boy, Or Young Jeezy, Fuck That. I’m Pretty Sure I Would’ve Gave “Graduation” A Shot, But Who Knows. I’m Just Glad My Time Came When It Did.

  • Jerod

    I love hip-hop right now. I love hip-hop from ’88. I’ll love hip hop in 2028. FUCK YOU, HATERS.

    I don’t understand why everyone always focus’ on the bad…

    • Pierzy

      …because the music blows now. That’s why.

  • http://none Bob L

    The first album that turned me onto hip-hop was Public Enemy’s “Fear of a Black Planet” in 1990 when I was a freshman in high school.

    If I were to hear hip-hop for the first time in 2008 I would probably be a huge fan of Lupe Fiasco’s “The Cool” especially since his song “Superstar” is played on Power 106 in LA 24/7.

    In 1990, MC Hammer was the Soulja Boy of his time and hip-hop survived that. I don’t think people even hate on Hammer anymore (who was disliked as much, if not more, than Soulja Boy because he took hip-hop commercial and did embarassing commercials for chicken

    I think 2008 will be known as the “hair metal” days for hip-hop which means we will see all the ringtone dudes on tour in Bumfuck Texas and Boondox Iowa in 2018. Hopefully the fat white chicks will keep their shirts on though.

    • Afi K. James

      Rap didn’t really become truly terrible until after the deaths of tupac & biggie.

      and 1998 was truly the last great year for hip-hop.

  • BUTCH

    DON’T WORRY MICHAEL GALE IS COMING SOON TO SAVE THE DAY !!!

  • Jerod is 16

    because we were around when new shit was fresh!

    bol, if you want to hear youngin’s talk about how much they love new hip-hop, look no further than okayplayer, and the movement they feel they’ve generated with that god-awful site.

    88 compared to 2008? compare g rap to fiddy, there you go….

  • Pierzy

    I was only 8 in ’88 but I was fortunate to get my hands on some Public Enemy and NWA tapes and I can’t believe that ANYONE (my boys included) thinks that ’98 was a better year. Comparing DMX to Chuck D is like comparing Lil Wayne to………well, Chuck D. Anyway, as Nasir said, “Hip-hop been dead, we the reason it died.”

  • Andria

    there is good hip hop these days but it is harder to find than in the early 90′s…. my son is 2 and all he hears in our house is what i consider “good” hip hop… most of the stuff i play is from the early 90′s….we play it all day long but as soon as LOLLIPOP, UMMA DO ME, ETC… comes on he is all over it…..

    these kids are gonna be fu@#ked!!!!

    but it’s cool… my mom said the same thing when she caught me listening to channel live in my bedroom…. she did not understand rap/ hip hop period… WHAT CAN U DO?

  • http://www.pimpinpens.blogspot.com Enzoe

    First off, Master P is a legend plain and simple. 1998 was the year that the South was putting out some of their rawest shit. Master P dropped Ghetto Dope (classic album) a year before and then he came out with all of the underrated No Limit artists like Youngbleed, C-Murder, Tru, Mac, Fiend, Mr. Serv-on, Steady Mobbn, Kane & Abel. I’m not saying that all of that shit was classic but out of all that sheer abundance in material was a lot of gems. Then Cash Money dropped some serious classic material as well: Juvenile 400 Degreez, Hot Boys, Lil Wayne, BG Chopper City in the Ghetto. Last but not least the Three Six was putting out their dopest shit Chap. 2 World Domination, Prophet Posse- Body Parts, Indo G, Killa Klan Kaze, Koopsta Knicca, Teardaclubupthugs. Eightball and MJG were still releasing classic material like in Our Lifetime Vol. 1, Goodie Mobb, UGK were all still releasing pure funk. And for the dude that said Webbie is the retarted offspring of the Southern movement is not true. Webbie and Boosie are talented dudes in their own rite. I listen to them before I fuck with T.I. and Ludacris. But that’s just me.

  • http://www.pimpinpens.blogspot.com Enzoe

    Let it be known that I fuck with music of all regions. If it is dope it is dope plain and simple. The South deserved the spotlight that it has gotten for the past 10 years or so. They put in work well before that to no avail, and now they are just reaping the benefits of all the work the pioneers put in. The appeal of Southern music to me has always been its hardcore in-your-face aesthetic, best exemplified by people like Lil Jon and Three Six. It depends what mood I’m in sometimes a nice west coast classic junt like Ice Cube, or sometimes when I want to whoop a kniccas ass I play “I dont give a fuck” by Lil Jon. Its the divine dichotomy of life, the Ying and the Yang. Rap would be gay if everything sounded the same. Think about that. And if you remember correctly 98 was the time that a lot of east coast cats were giving props to Master P and embracing what he had done in the south. I remember countless collaborations with No Limit artists and New York artists at that time. P was a true hustler and real american success story and the ultimate reason for the Souths dominance today.

  • http://www.pimpinpens.blogspot.com Enzoe

    but i will say shit like Mims-This is why I’m Hot. That guy Rocko-imma do me imma do me. that shit makes me want to kill myself. There is no good mix of lyrics or production as far as Im concerned on those two records. But I think that just those two records are emblematic of what is wrong with the current status of rap. And Mims is a New York dude too, which raises another point on how a lot of new New York artists I trying to flow like Southern cats. But not even the good Southern artists-they are trying to flow like the bad ones.

  • http://www.HipHopSInce1976.Com HipHopSince1976

    The 90′s where better then the 80′s.
    And it keeps getting better.

  • Rizz

    I cant really say hip hop is better or worse. Its just the worst of it that gets shine! B4 you had to be ORIGINAL now its whatever is catchy. Hip hop will never die, you just have to look somewhere other than TV and radio to find it. The internet isnt the problem, it actually has helped by not letting people get force-fed the mainstream shit. And with the way money is why buy it when i pay for my internet service and can get it that way. Alot of artist are banging these days (alot of good albums have been out) but it has to reach the people in different ways. Whitey has bled its investment in hiphop and cant get over on the people anymore (ex Def Jam)

    Shout out to BOL for at least keeping the people talking

  • Kappa9

    Sh*t, I’m 27 and I wonder what my kids(when I have some) would be listening to when they get older. i’m scared about that now, the way hip hop is not now. Would it be wrong for me to beat them cause they was listening to Soulja Boy 2020 and then force them to listen to Ready To Die? haha.

  • Penelope Rodriguez

    If I heard a “hip hop” song today I don’t think I would not be into hip hop music at all. The songs sound the same, and I haven’t seen a music video in god knows how long because they’re all shitty videos. Over the past two years or so I’ve been having vague feelings of alienation from the music and I’m only 19. I know that when you guys were 19 in the ’80s and ’90s you didn’t feel the same way as I’m feeling now, because the music was on point during those decades. Alienation ain’t a good feeling, trust. Especially when you’re a young’n like me. For example I just can’t get into lil wayne, even though he’s been rapping since i was 8. He raps immaturely to me. So from last year up until now I’ve been buying/downloading/borrowing albums that I’ve always wanted or albums that were released when I was too young to understand what hip hop was. I suppose you can say I’m trying to compensate for lost time, lol. Currently I am listening to CAPITAL PUNSIHMENT, and ain’t that album the shit! “Dream Shatterer” is my joint and so is “Punish Me,” even though it ain’t a love song, lol.

    I think that KING MATHERS, DETOX, RAW FOOTAGE, LAX (maybe), and Nas’ new album will be the last albums that I’ll probably buy, ’cause I don’t see any other artist who is worth my time, attention, or money. At least not in the mainstream.

  • Liam

    “It makes me wonder, if I was a little kid today, would I even get really into hip-hop in the first place, or would I just be into the kind of shit I mostly listen to today?”
    ^^^
    This is why ‘hipster rap’ groups are becoming more successful, because they are the lesser of two evils when it comes to hip hop.

    • Casso

      Who exactly are these “hipster” rappers that bloggers love talking about? (That’s a term, by the way, that could only be coined by bloggers and internet heads — not that that’s a bad thing, I’m just saying.)

  • Casso

    Why didn’t you post a link to this Jackpot story you mentioned, or at least included some of the albums that he mentioned?

  • sb

    $ycotic hit the nail on the head…we were not prepared for hip hop to grow up…I had a talk with 9th wonder about this a few months ago and basically he believed that was one of the reasons why little brother didn’t do well….people in their 30′s are not checking for soulja boy…but the young cats are not checking for tribe or rakim…There needs to be a radio format for the grown up hip hop audience..i believe that it would do well….

  • Prevster

    “FLA954 says: yeah hiphop was on the decline in 98′. it was obvious. the South really did ruin hiphop. it was fine with you had Outkast, Geto Boys, etc. but when it got passed to Master P”

    truth.

    The south had brought a different rithm and the melodious drawn-out flows but it also

    It ain’t all bad tho. I consider Field Mob to be real mc’s based on a few gems and the diversity of flow. Luda is defintely a respectable spitter. I concurr with the rest of what you say.
    Damn I would name lil wayne as most impressive spitter out of the south right now. Than it would’ve been Outkast, Cee-lo etc.

    + Big Up to Scarface for holding his coast down all this time

    extra :
    ’98 was good because :
    RIP to vinyl. You had a lot of cats droppin dope 12″ s that probably wouldn’t have made a monotone mixtapes on used beats.

    ’98 was good because :
    Rawkus had it on lock, Loud was doing good. Those labels dropped a lot of good albums and supported a whole movement of labels and artists. They had’m believing it was commercially viable to make artisticly inspired music. Instead of solely dance-music.

    It really went down in 2K. Damn, I used to frown on Mase and fugees. Imagine what would even appeal to me now.

  • sb

    $ycotic you are so on point

  • Prevster

    era 1998 >> era 2008

    Crossover
    Fugees >> Black Eyed Peas

    Clubthugs
    Holla holla Ja rule >> I get money Fifty cent

    Biggest latino
    Big Punisher >> Fat Joe

    The westcoast with eastcoast credits
    Xzibit >> the Game

    Big pimpin boss
    Jay Z >> Rick Ross

    Lunatype
    ODB >> Lil Wayne

    98 was more raw regardless..

  • http://www.yahoo.com Dra$t-iQ Alkoholik

    yo dunno why all y’all hating on hip-hop the game aint dead it’s still alive except thta it’s now in a sorry ass state, the last great year for hip-hop was 2003 when GRODT,”SPEAKERBOXX/THE LOVE BELOW”,”THE BLACK ALBUM” dropped ever since then no hip-hop albums have really captivated the rap gam except for “THE DOCUMENTARY”.These days it’s all about a big hit single and a bull shit album (D4L,Mims,Hurricane Chris),it aint like back in the days with 2pac and all em niggas. the 1st rap album I ever bought was “all eyez on me” in 1997 when i was 9 yuears old shit didn’t make much sense to me then but its still the GOAT coz it had the ingredients of a classic album with the club bangers,gangsta songz,sad songz and e.t.c and this format has been used by the later classics suh as GRODT, in this day and age it is quite sad that the so called”greatest rapper alive” is out singing like a faggot on his 1st sinlge of his “greatest album” can’t picture bigg and pac singing like bitches in their singles though but I still believ the golden era of hip-hop was btwn 92-2003, with it’s climax being btwn 94-97.