Should black kids go to Iraq?

The other day was Veterans Day, or as I like to call it, Spit on a Soldier Day. As part of the festivities, I read a story somewhere that said that the Army is having a hard time convincing black people to sign up to go over to Iraq. I found this fascinating.

Since this is a relatively recent phenomenon (black people used to stay up in the Army), it’s yet to be determined why this is so. It could be the case that word has gotten out that black folks are being sent over there primarily as cannon fodder (either because black people refuse to get it together education-wise even if it’s a matter of life or death, or because the Army is racist like that – take your pick!), or it could be the case that black people refuse to enlist because they find this war unjust.

Since black people are maybe the most liberal group of people in this country (even well-educated people don’t vote Democrat at a higher rate than black folks), I’ve heard it suggested by a few people that it’s the latter. But I wonder if this could really be the case given other recent developments – namely, black people’s ridonkulous fixation with gangster films, as evidenced by the staggering success of both the film American Gangster and the Jay-Z album of the same name. If you notice, black people don’t seem to mind very much that this guy Frank Lucas killed so many people.

Based on the commercials I’ve seen for the film, the key seems to be that he was a great businessman. When he was at the top of his game, he was more powerful than even the mafia. And I could see why that might be appealing. In an age when we’ve got racist-ass scientists like James Watson suggesting that the reason AIDS is so rampant over in Africa (where people still eat “bush meat,” and where people have recently begun getting high off their own shit) is because black people aren’t as smart as white people, it’s nice to know that a black man can succeed at something.

If black people could justify gangsters dealing death in their own community, you wonder why they wouldn’t be able to justify the military-industrial complex dealing death over in the Middle East, where people don’t like us anyway. Part of the problem could be that at least a black man can get paid for selling drugs. Nicky Barnes was said to have a closet full of fur coats. Kids in the Army, meanwhile, don’t get paid shit. Oddly enough though, thanks to President Sieg Howdy’s neoliberal economic policies, it’s becoming increasingly true that this is no longer the case.

Your average soldier may not get paid very well at all, but private contractors are getting paid out the ass. Many of them are making more money in a day than I make all month long (i.e. $75). And I’ve heard that there’s more private contractors over there than there are actual soldiers anyway. Why do you think this war is costing so much money? It doesn’t cost that much to bust a few caps in innocent women and children. This is basically a scheme to shift a huge amount of wealth out of the hands of saps like us and into the pockets of Dick Cheney and his people.

Regardless of where you stand on the war, you have to wonder if black people aren’t missing the boat on this one yet again. While we’re sitting at home striking a self-righteous pose (and yet bobbing our heads to the new Jay-Z album), cracka-ass crackas are making off with all of the money. And I don’t mean the kind of money it pays to be a pretend drug dealer and a black cosigner for various white business interests. I mean real money.

  • http://kywork.blogspot.com/ keywork.

    Good post. I’m a veteran of OIF and can tell you that these contractors piss me off. As a Marine (we’re all green), if I was killed in combat, my family stood to collect $450k. That’s pretty jacked when you consider that the average contractor is making 6 numbers tax free per year. The average service member makes well under 40k per year. And that’s only if they are deployed for the entire year receiving hazard pay, etc. I don’t care what color your skin is, this shit should piss you off. Also, thanks for linking that Ration Reality post, them guys got me into blogging and they put up some great posts.

    • Around and Around

      They’re still taxed it’s not tax free. Even if you’re making your scratch oversea’s Uncle Sam requires his cut.
      ——
      Not a bad article, maybe we’re starting to smarten up and realize fighting for “the pockets of Dick Cheney and his people” (see whitey) is pointless…….

      • Allen_J

        No it’s not I was in the Navy for four years everytime we hit the gulf it was tax free Paychecks.

  • dameSTAtus

    Lol @ “at home striking a self-righteous pose” Like a ninja at home doing the Vogue or something.

    Lol even more @ pretend drug dealer.

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  • these posts are racist

    >>>>>”black people’s ridonkulous fixation with gangster films, as evidenced by the staggering success of both the film American Gangster and the Jay-Z album of the same name.”

    People are intrigued by gangster movies, not black people. Goodfellas, Godfather? Godfather is considered one of the “greatest movies of all time”. Do you think it is because black people like it?

    >>>>”in the Middle East, where people don’t like us anyway.”

    You are a racist. You also just justified all the murders and killing of innocent middle eastern men, women and children – in one sentence. You are a racist who justifes the murders and death of middle eastern people.

    • http://xxlmag.com Bol

      >People are intrigued by gangster movies, not black people.

      What about all those black people on Cribs with pictures of Scarface (which is not considered one of the greatest movies of all time) on their walls?

  • http://kywork.blogspot.com/ keywork.

    I think when he wrote ‘us’ he was referring to Americans in general. And no, he most certainly did not justify murder in any way shape or form. Show me where he made the justification? Where did he say that murder is ok? Maybe I didn’t read the post. Or maybe you are trying to stir the pot.

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  • Joshua

    Your brain-washed ass could have easily stated that crap sniffing is only taking place in one country amongst some street kid’s.Kid’s who were sniffing glue before like kid’s do in eastern europe so their brain’s are mush.Africa’s a continent not a country and whether you like it or not your black ass is descended from African’s.If you studied your history you would know all the thing’s we’ve done,what we’ve been through and then you would understand why some sniff crap & other’s are full of it.(as if,only african’s eat bush-meat)!!

    • http://xxlmag.com Bol

      People who eat monkeys and sniff their own shit are just not smart – whether it’s due to inherent genetic traits, or the underdevelopment of the entire “country” due to western imperialism.

      But I’m at a loss for what purpose this sort of excuse-making is supposed to serve. If anything, it probably only helps to exacerbate the situation, no?

      • Doobie

        Whites and Asians are getting off on eating each others shit all over the internets (it was a topic of this hilarious discussion in the opening scene for that movie Superbad). That seems pretty stupid too, and they sure as hell can’t use that “underdevelopment” argument.

        As far as the eating monkeys thing, I suppose if you hadn’t eaten in 30 days, and everybody around you is starving to death, there’s no telling what you would resort to. I’m sure that people, say, in the hills of Uzbekistan, commonly resort to similar means.

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  • AZ40

    >>>>>If black people could justify gangsters dealing death in their own community, you wonder why they wouldn’t be able to justify the military-industrial complex dealing death over in the Middle East, where people don’t like us anyway.

    *Sarcastically* “Ain’t nobody gonna kill us but us!”

    “The black man ain’t got no place in the White mans army.” Furious Boys in the Hood

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  • Doobie

    Great drop Bol.

    “In an age when we’ve got racist-ass scientists like James Watson suggesting that the reason AIDS is so rampant over in Africa (where people still eat “bush meat,” and where people have recently begun getting high off their own shit) is because black people aren’t as smart as white people,”

    The person who proposed this theory doesn’t seem to be too bright himself, he’s overlooking a host of other factors. Start AIDS in any underdeveloped region, let it run rampant for like two decades before anyone including people in the richest and most popular countries in the world catch on, and you’ll likely get the exact same results. The “intelligence” issue is more a matter of nurture rather than nature.

    “black people’s ridonkulous fixation with gangster films, as evidenced by the staggering success of both the film American Gangster and the Jay-Z album of the same name. If you notice, black people don’t seem to mind very much that this guy Frank Lucas killed so many people.”

    It’s more so people in the Rap audience than black people in general who have this romantic fascination with gangsterdom. The success of the film doesn’t really prove anything because most of the general population sees a gangster film as just a film, and doesn’t go adopting the values and virtues of the characters in it. Movies seem to generally be a more passive experience for most people anyway than music is. I do notice however that lots of people in the Rap audience try to emulate what they hear in the music, but that seems to be largely irrespective of race. Many black people in poor crime ridden neighborhoods are just trying to work and live their lives day to day just like everybody else, but you’re right, there are far too many who really don’t have enough of a problem with the criminals that terrorize their neighborhood everyday.

    “Why do you think this war is costing so much money? It doesn’t cost that much to bust a few caps in innocent women and children. This is basically a scheme to shift a huge amount of wealth out of the hands of saps like us and into the pockets of Dick Cheney and his people.”

    You hit the nail on the head like a mofo Bol. I’ve said before that defense spending is the biggest corporate welfare scheme in the world. It makes up about half of the entire US budget and only a small fraction goes to our actual defense. The rest goes to paying $30.00 for a 6 pack of Coca-Cola, and $100.00 for hammers that you can normally find at Home Depot for like 3 bucks.

    “Regardless of where you stand on the war, you have to wonder if black people aren’t missing the boat on this one yet again.”

    Those contracts only go to people in Bush and Cheney’s inner circle, so there really is no opportunity there for us to take advantage of.

    • Doobie

      “let it run rampant for like two decades before anyone including people in the richest and most popular countries in the world catch on”

      richest and most “powerful” countries in the world.

  • http://www.worldfriendswin.com worldfriendswin

    this war stuff is not what people think its about its much deeper than oil

  • N.O. 4 life

    black kids aint joining cause they are not about to risk thier lives over some bullshit for a country that doesnt giva a damn about them..trust ne i know i am one

  • http://gdski@ge.com Jakey

    why would anyone want to go to a illegal war and risk their lives for these rich white guys? you get paid up with freshly pressed money from the treasury and the American dollar goes down in value. i don’t care if your black or white, basic principles of being a human. to even suggest black people should jump up on it is stupid. and suggesting anyone should go kill people for money is ever more stupid. its good to see there is a decline in black people going to the army because even when they do get back, they are more than likely to have serious health problems from walking around with radioactive guns loaded with depleted uranium.

  • b-ease

    NO for Life

    The point bol’s trying to make (i think) is that black people have always risked their lives over “some bullshit country that doesnt give a damn about them”. in every american war, blacks have been dispproportianatlely represented. The question is why now is there hesitance to join up and not in any of the other bullshit wars???

    TPAR

    I’m not a racist. But it’s well known that Arabs like Black folks about as much as the average white guy. Which is to say, not very much at all.

  • these posts are racist

    B-ease,

    Rule number 1: If you start a sentence with “I’m not a racist, but…” You’re probably a racist.

    • Around and Around

      Cosign TPAR hilarious.

  • http://www.theunderwriters.blogspot.com THE UNDERWRITER

    Look at TPAR and Around in their favorite 69 position. You two are fruitylicious. Nolo.

    Damn, you two are obviously in love. I mean, TPAR, don’t you even think that Around is on your nuts a little too much in public forums? Please; this is getting sickening.

    Oh, and Hell no, black kids shouldn’t go. Starting with my cousin, who just came back.

    • Around and Around

      Underwear……..

  • these posts are racist

    Underwriter,

    Actually, real recognizes real, hence Around and I tend to agree.

    Stop trying to cause discord.

    I will not treat you like the obsessed stalker you are, and ignore you.

  • ZO

    Why should we go over seas to get shot at when all we have to do is go out the front door and get shot at?!

  • http://rationreality.com bagel

    It seems the military is now scraping the bottom of the barrel, only able to recruit back-woods boys from economically depressed areas who truly have no other options. Where I’m from (the WV coalfields), the Army is considered a high-paying opportunity for advancement and education. All that world travel is almost glamorous, compared to dieing in the mines or exploding your trailer-home/meth-lab.

    You have alot of anger. You should masturbate more.

  • just saying

    It strikes me as ironic that the same people who refuse to enter the armed forces because of some sort of high morale standard against the murder of innocent people will in the same breath participate in the illegal drug trade that manages to put disproportionate amounts of black men in prison or a grave.

  • http://www.theunderwriters.blogspot.com THE UNDERWRITER

    TPAR, just ignore me then. And if you’d stop being a brainless whore, I’d ignore you too.

    But so much for that…

    You and Around, with his “underwear” foolery, need to go practice your kegels together and stop trying to type away your frustrations with the world.

    If I’m smart enough to know that nobody really gives a fuck what I’m saying here, then why are you fighting a brick wall with your comments?

    You two bitches are just weird. Not smart, just weird.

    Bol has both of you puppets by the short hairs. Nolo.

  • these post are racist

    It’s funny. I can’t get this certain post to show up, no matter how many times i enter it and click add comment.

    Why is that? Hmmm…Free market place of ideas. My other comments post, but this one certain post I keep trying to enter.

  • http://www.theunderwriters.blogspot.com THE UNDERWRITER

    PERRY A. PELLIGREENO says:

    Who’s next?

  • Intifada

    Bol you are either idiotic or you hate Muslims/Arabs.

    I reckon it is the latter.

    Killing Iraqis for money?!!?!

    Can’t you see, especially as a black man, what is wrong with that?

  • The Observer

    Underwriter,

    Get off of TPAR’s balls man! You are in love with TPAR.

    TPAR ignore this crazy clown. You bring this site to another level, i only come on here to read what you have to say. Keep doing your thing and ignore this crazy stalker!

  • gerald n. the birdman

    “…where people have recently begun getting high off their own shit)..”

    SHIT SNIFFING = IT’S THE LATEST CRAZE!!!

    2GIRLS1CUP.COM 2GIRLS1CUP.COM 2GIRLS1CUP.COM

  • misslady

    well i am in iraq right now and i can tell you that even with my husband and i both over here we are not making as much money as the contractors. they do nothing but sit in the gym and pass out towels. anyway, its cool when i get out i am going to be doing the same thing i cant even hate them

  • blacker cracker

    underwriter,
    i checked out your blog cuz tpar shouted it out on here and i’ve come to the conclusion that you, sir, are a heterophobe.

  • Fire

    TPAR and Underwriter are both crazy. But anyway, this was a good post.

  • Mole

    tpar ur a fool.

    you like to believe your smart but in reality you are actualy not. you like to believe you are better or more humane than bol but you really are not. you like to believe you know arabs and islam well but you really do not. you like to believe these posts are racist but you just cant open your eyes enough to see the bigger picture being suggested.

    eg?
    you read this post and all u see is that bol said black ppl should go and join the killing innoncent people for no reason BUT I READ THIS POST AND SEE THE POINT BOL IS MAKING ABOUT THIS CRAZY FASCINATION WE AS BLACK MEN HAVE WITH PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN DESTROYING US IN THE FIRST PLACE eg: snowman, bloods, crip, T.I, frank lucas, nicky barnes THESE ARE ALL BLACK “HEROES”

  • http://www.theunderwriters.blogspot.com THE UNDERWRITER

    Fire, you might be right. I’ll ease up. This shit is obviously beyond me.

    But before I subside…

    Blacker Cracker,

    You’re nothing but internet smegma. Look that word up, whenever you stop sweating my blog for flaws before I even launch it.

    And now, back to my regularly scheduled life…

    *swueet*

  • http://www.theunderwriters.blogspot.com THE UNDERWRITER

    Oh, and by the way…

    Blacker Cracker is just another hating loser without his/her own blog.

    Now, I’m not saying I think you should have a blog to post a comment here, but if you’re here visiting and commenting with constant, consistent hate…

    Doesn’t it make pure sense to start your own fucking blog?

    It only makes sense to come here hating if you have something better.

    In this colossal, final, unbeatable point, I will ask that TPAR, Around, Blacker Cracker, kritiq, GayStone and any other quiet member of Teh Beach Boys all go drown themselves in dog skeet.

    NOLO.

  • JAYSTONE

    ”where people still eat “bush meat,””

    Have any one of you been to Africa before.
    fuck that cracker and if he got balls he should try and step in Africa.motherfuckers klling cows and chicken for meat.WTF!!!!

    @UNDERPANTS
    so you faggot you work as a fucking blogger.ha ha ha.man i cant believe it.This nigga has’t get a hit lord knows in two fucking years and just turns to commenting in XXL thinking that YN will gave him a place to blog.
    Yo underpants i feel sorry for you.man why dont you come and trim my moms garden.for the record it pays $10.man i’m doing you a favour.if you think YN will gave you a place in XXL to blog forget it man at least TPAR is better than you.

  • kritiq

    sorry underwriter but Iam not up for male groupies now take my nuts out you stank mouth.

    ever since you admitted too being a sponge cake and hangin around females, I swore never to dialogue with you, course Iam having enough problems trying to understand females emotions.

    now I dont want you to try and make my life more confusing, course I really dont want to know how the mind of a female with a dick works or is it a pussy with a dick.

  • JAYSTONE

    @og bobby j
    whiteboy you wish you are black.I love fucking white sluts in the ass! 100 years of slavery in every cum shot! Bet you racist white fucker never thought it would come to this huh? TAKE THIS BIG BLACK NIGGER DICK! I break these white hoes off proper cuz there lil dick White husbands can’t do it for them.

    WHITE GIRLS LOVE BLACK MEAT!! EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT!!

    Aight you lil dick ass crackers! I’m out

  • The Big Boss

    JAYSTONE says:
    I love fucking white sluts in the ass! 100 years of slavery in every cum shot! Bet you racist white fucker never thought it would come to this huh? TAKE THIS BIG BLACK NIGGER DICK! I break these white hoes off proper cuz there lil dick White husbands can’t do it for them.

    WHITE GIRLS LOVE BLACK MEAT!! EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT!!

    ———————-

    I would like to see hypocrites like TPAR try to explain to me that the above vile racism is not racism at all and that is it ‘justified’.

    The other thing, to show what a bigot you are: The movie Godfather is not as favored by us Blacks (wait a second, are you even Black? With all your Muslim defense I bet you’re some Arab guy with a funky fixation on black women)…back on topic – Our favorite is Scarface and that is a Black thing. Its about absolute power and the motivation to avoid the same fate.

    Reality check; How can the world be yours if you can’t pay your cell phone bill, let alone rent?

    For the post, Bol is on point. Middle Eastern people hate Blacks and therefore – personally – I dont mind if they get shot up.
    After all they hate America, so thats good enough for me.
    For us Blacks, we should stop being cannon fodder. Make a more concious decision in life, so we don’t end up picking the lesser of two evils, one being crime, the other going to the Army.

    However, if the choice is between the Army and hanging out at the corner slingin crack, I would go with the army.
    Kill Middle Eastern terrorists (=Muslims) and a) get away with it + b) getting paid (at least something) and all legit.

    TPAR, are you an ARAB? Then your bigotry and hatred for everything American would have an explanation.

  • c.gabi

    “black people are maybe the most liberal group of people in this country”

    what?!

  • BossGame

    Bol! Speak on it brah. let me hear it
    http://www.yahoo.com/s/736803

  • The_Shogun

    As a soldier or contractor over seas working for the Military you recieve the first 80% of your salary TAX FREE up to a year. You have to be in country for 1 year for this to take effect, that means feet on the ground for 365 anything less then forget about the first 80% tax free.

    Should black folks go to Iraq?? Do what you gotta do, I did. I didn’t enjoy it at all. I am currently out of the Army and a civilian now. I believe you have to play the hand you are dealt in life and use what resources are available to you to manifest your vision of “success”. If you feel joining the military is to your benifet then why not. I understand this countrie current administration is corrupt, I understand that the media is corrupt also but I don’t think the basic premise and idea of America is corrupt. America can be a great place we just watch out for who we give OUR POWER to and we could start by learning to show a little more responsibility in our decision making instead of constantly letting “others” shape and control the way we live our lives. Do whats best for yourself and your loved ones and watch everything fall into place.

  • og bobby j

    @ Jaystone

    Damn son…i stay on your mind enough to comment at me when i aint even in the discussion…fucking nut hugger. Im glad someone is doing there part to prove your the worst type of loser…..Your mother hates you….

  • these posts are racist

    Black kids hanging posters of gangster movies on thier walls = “fixation”.

    White kids doing the same = what?

    Byron, do black people like gangster/viloent movies more than white people? If so, which is implied by your statment that “black people” have such a “fixation” with these types of movies, what is your proof?

  • The Nicker

    Ok:

    -Bol, I agree with what you’re saying, but your solution is not realistic. It’s not just white privilege you have to overcome, but the presidential client system.

    -I’m going to have to side against TPAR on this one. White people are not mesmerized by Scarface, but some are smitten with black culture, and the mainstream black youth surely endorses hanging that Scarface poster on your wall.

    -Jakey = Sabac Red from Non-Phixion

    -I guess I can never post again on here because I don’t have my own blog? The fuck outta here . . .

    -Nolo = enache = stupid

  • http://xxlmag Kane Corleone

    C the problem is there is no WE,no we as black people , and no we as unity,none of us speak for the black race just cuz we look alike dont mean we are alike ya dig,I joined one gang i’m not joining another fuck a war,plus these white people dont give a fuck bout me or my family or even my neighborhood why the fuck should i help them ,muthafucka i’m not a American,i’m a STOLEN AFRICAN ,ya’ll muthafuckas sit up here and go back and forth on BOL’S post which starts off funny then ya’ll go on callin muthafuckas racist and all this bullshit,put it to you like this if you had a choice to kill(this is hypothet)an Arab or a Klansman who would it be? Plus how the fuck do ya’ll know them Middleeast niggas dont like us who told u this shit,and i bet yo mama it was some overheard he say she say,well let me ask yo ass this who started sayin SAND NIGGAS ,when u find out thats who the enemie is!! Fuckin Kerrs….

  • JAYSTONE

    @Kane Corleone,
    son you damn right.i hope y`all will take note.
    The real enemies of blacks are not arabs but Americas i mean white Americas.
    what should i join the army when the gov`t can`t helps us blacks or our brothers in America.

    @The Big Boss,
    For the post, Bol is on point. Middle Eastern people hate Blacks and therefore – personally – I dont mind if they get shot up.
    <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    whoever wrote this is the most ignorant motherfuckers i have ever heared.son you are worse than Adolf hitler.you should have been shoot in your mothers womb for this comment alone.
    Go and do some research before you come here to post your bigotry opinion.Do you know that the palenstians are the real jews and that isreal is their land and that the present isreal all come from Europe with is the reason America are helping them.
    do you know that the war in Iraq has nothing to do with terorism but had to do with only one individual(SADAM HUSSEIN).Do you know that there are more blacks in the ARAB countries than in Europe or America.Do you know that blacks make majority of the religion islam.
    Do you know that some of the slaves who were sent to America were muslims and that for all you know your Ancestors probably were muslims.GTFOH!!!!!!

  • Intifada

    Some of the shit in the replies is disgusting man. Racism, whether from black or white, is fucking dumb. There is only one race that matters – the HUMAN race.

    The enemy is rich fat cats, not some poor Iraqi who has lost his family because of Bush’s illegal war.

  • these posts are racist

    Intifada,

    As your name states, you need to simply “shake” these racist comments off. Do not even address them.

    End apartheid in Palestine.

  • Intifada

    It angers me to read such crap.

    But, at the same time, there is no point in wasting my time on it.