The real hip-hop candidate in ’08

As I was working on my story the other day on the political fuckery involved in selling Barack Obama to the hip-hop community, it occurred to me that - just like almost everything else I ever wrote - this work would ultimately be in vain, since I’m sure hardly anyone who reads this site could give a shit about him being in the pocket of Oprah Winfrey and fronting about how he listens to Common and OutKast. The bottom line is that he’s black (kinda), which makes him the choice of the hip-hop community in this election.

Indeed, a few days after I published my story, I came across this story at CNN which more or less anointed Barack Obama as the hip-hop candidate 2008. It centered primarily on the story in VIBE as well as the shout outs he’s received in raps by Jin, Talib Kweli, and Common. Quoth the Daniel Carver of rap: “As far as people in my age group and people that love hip-hop, there’s a love for Obama. He represents progress. He represents what hip-hop is about. Hip-hop is about progress, the struggle.”

So fine, the Obama campaign has succeed in selling him as the hip-hop candidate in ’08. Unfortunately, it’s beginning to look more and more like Obama might not make it past the primaries. Hillary Clinton has been wiping her ass with the Senator in debates all summer long, and it was announced the other day that her lead over him in the polls has increased to something like 22 percent. Granted it’s too early to say how much of a boost he’ll receive from appearing in the pages of VIBE magazine, but come on. Who are we kidding?

And of course if Hillary beats him in the primaries, it’s not like the two of them can run together on the same ticket. Even if the two of them were able to set aside their differences, the idea of a black man and a white woman running the country together – beautiful though it may be, at least in my view – is entirely unfathomable. The two of them might fuck or something! At the very least, I think a significant percentage of the electorate would feel that much more comfortable with at least one white guy (one-half doesn’t count) in the White House.

The thing that I find especially interesting about some of these polls is that Hillary still does pretty well among black people (though presumably not the kind of black people who read this site) even though Barack Obama could very well be the best shot at getting a black person in the White House in our lifetime. She does especially well among black women, which would suggest to me that there may be some affinity based on her more or less failed and embarrassing relationship with her husband, former President Bill Clinton. No? Maybe?

Where as Bill Clinton made it a point to go on the Arsenio Hall show and eat at McDonalds and stay balls-deep in fat white chicks, all of which could be viewed, to a certain degree, as overtures to the hip-hop community, we’ve yet to see much communication from Hillary Clinton one way or the other. While this could be viewed as her not caring as much about “the people” (not to mention “the struggle”) as her opponent Barack Obama, my guess is that she just realizes that the vast majority of you will just vote for which ever Democrat emerges from the primaries anyway, so why even bother? Recent history would prove that she’s correct in this regard.

Which brings me to my point: Barack Obama may be the choice of the hip-hop community, but it’s not like young voters in general and young black people in particular have the force to make much of a difference one way or the other. At the end of the day, it’s still going to come down to whomever the majority of aging cracka-ass crackas feel most comfortable with, just like it did in the last election and all of the other elections before that. If hip-hop youth were really interested in influencing the outcome of the election as well as supporting a candidate who speaks to their views in a way that’s genuinely substantive, they might consider supporting a third party candidate. But of course they won’t.

  • OG Bobby Johnson

    I aint votin for Hillary…not at all….
    I honestly dont think any of the d’bag politiciains give two fucks about anything except lining their pockets. They are all liars and all theives….everyone has an angle so they can all suck my dick. As long as I get mine….i dont give a fuck cause nothin will ever change in this system. Do away with the electorial college and party affiliations/campaign sponsers and then i will pay attention. Until then, your or my vote isnt worth the gas to drive to a voting location. Real talk.

  • Larry Brite

    ummm . . . i really think the female population will vote for Hilary – as far as why . . . A lot of it will have NOTHING to do with her political views
    Try to ask a person that plans to vote for her – WHY they are doing so . . . MOST will say because she was 1st lady – others will say she was senator for NY for 9/11 – Both jobs that require a confortable seat while other ‘actually’ qualified people do what they’re suppose to
    (REMEMBER DAVE CHAPPELLE? an older woman would have sucked us into a utopia!!! – which is not tooooo far fetched)
    -
    It’s not gonna matter what i say here but i’m rollin with obama – if Hilary get’s to run instead – I’m going with Gulianni, because for a cross dressing marrage cheater – he can keep shi* moving

  • VLsteve

    if anyone votes for guiliani I’m strangling them with a cable

  • 1,21,2..anditdon’tstop81

    Them cracka’s and good-ol’boys ain’t lettin no red nigga in they house is you crazy! fuck voting yo’ shit don’t count and never has stop lyin’ to y’all selves this world is not equal when it comes to political power.I’m takin on all bets and wagers I got a G that say obama don’t make it to or thru the primaries, any takers?

  • Rob

    first bitches

  • boner jams 03

    fuck the democrats…they have taken the black vote for granted for too fuckin loong..as much as i hate the republicans..u gotta give it to those crackas..they definetely look out for the interests of the people that put them in office….they damn sure are keeping the rich rich and letting the poor get poorer….while the democrats just deliver empty promises…and as much as i like obama, we have to take in consideration his lack of experience…he’s only halfway through his FIRST senate term….i know he was the mayor of chi-townbut wu can’t go from running a city to runnin the country….and i know…bush wasn’t wualified either..but lets not make the same mistake twice

  • these posts are racist

    I can’t read any of your posts anymore. Please explain to your readers why you would go out of your way to degrade the two rape victims in Florida? Seriously, why?

  • Incilin

    “If hip-hop youth were really interested in influencing the outcome of the election as well as supporting a candidate who speaks to their views in a way that’s genuinely substantive, they might consider supporting a third party candidate. But of course they won’t.”

    ^^ My sentiments exactly. Not just about the hip hop community but about all of the people who don’t bother to vote (Which is like %50 of Americans anyhow) because they hate/dont care about the American poltical system.

    If we really cared we would all be voting for Mike Gravel. He’s my candidate all right. And he’s got 0% of the vote. Seriously, 0%. Nothing. Yet he’s the only guy who steps up to the military industrial complex that bascially runs the poltical system in this country.

  • lARRY bRITE

    “if anyone votes for guiliani I’m strangling them with a cable”
    -
    If you vote Hilary – i’ll strangle myself after figuring out a way to send you a picture of me doing so! I WON’T NEED YOUR HELP, THANX.

  • Tyler

    Don’t believe them polls just like don’t believe the election process itself. Nonetheless I still say Obama has a shot cause the powers to be don’t like Hilary. We may not eva’ have a better chance so it’s okay 2 dream big, ya’ dig.
    SolutionsGlobalMedia.com aka SGM7.com
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  • http://xxlmag.com Bol

    >I can’t read any of your posts anymore. Please explain to your readers why you would go out of your way to degrade the two rape victims in Florida? Seriously, why?

    Man, if I knew that was all it would take, I would’ve done that shit a long time ago!

    And since you asked, the truth of the matter is that I didn’t read up on the rape case. I just saw it mentioned on her site.

    Any time I see “gang rape,” my mind immediately goes to “group sex gone awry.” The thing is, I’m pretty sure that usually is the case.

  • VLsteve

    Hilary? O contrare, its Kucininch all day. my point is just cus a motherfucker was walking around ground zero smiling dosen’t make him qualified to be in a position of power. obviously kucinich dosent have a chance. but I’m not really worried about the taliban at my doorstep, cus besides 9/11 being an attack (metaphorically) against all of america, it didn’t have an effect on my life. I’m not gonna be afraid of something that has never had a direct affect on my life, and thats not gonna effect my position on slithery politicians because they love petroleum

  • Jax

    Best thing you’ve written all year.

  • these posts are racist

    BOL,

    Thanks for that clarification. Honestly, I couldn’t understand your angle. Not that you’ll listen to me, but I really recommend you write some sort of apology/clarification—since that was “not the case” here.

    Do you want me to no longer comment on your posts?

  • http://brandonsoderberg.blogspot.com brandonsoderberg

    Bol, agree with your statements about Barack Obama weirdly being hip-hop’s candidate (his politics are very unradical, if he were white Common,Kweli, etc. would never support him) but history wouldn’t really prove that the black vote is a guarantee for Dems. Frankenstein John Kerry made that mistake and although the majority of black votes went his way, his not courting them, in part caused him the election.

  • http://www.richarte.blogspot.com Rich Arte

    Republicans are the reason why this nation is in shambles. Students who aspire to do better but don’t have the financial means to do so suffer from lack of government assistance. Federal Grant money is being stripped from students and used to fund this “war”. When a democrat gets back in office, whether obama or clinton, the country will notice the change. Healthcare is a major issue, as well as the war. Before Bush was in office, there was an abundance of grant money for college students, but now it’s all student loans that have to be paid back. Education is a major issue, and furthering education is something that will advance the economy in all aspects.
    For some reason, after you go to school for an extra 2-4 years in a specialized field, it’s unlikely for those graduates to start rhyming, sell drugs, or become part of the problem rather than the solution.
    Anyone who votes Republican must be rich already, otherwise there’s no other logical explanation.

    Obama ’08!!!!

  • Around and Around

    Barak is a clown. First he’s the anti-war guy, and the next sentence he’s talking about bombing Pakistan? WTF. ..
    And if Hilary is elected that means for 24 years two familys have run this country!! WTF! It’s all about Kucininch.
    If you’re really serious for change:
    ‘Both parties see it as a bad sign when voters stay away from the polls. It signifies that people may have stopped paying attention. Democrats and Republicans each struggle to maintain the illusion that they are uniquely suited to guide the country that they alone deserve to lead by dint of tradition.

    The absurdity is compounded each election cycle by these stalwart defenders of the status quo each promising to bring about the next great change, exploiting the public’s thirst for it.

    While we are encouraged to vote for change, in our system it works the opposite way. At the present stage, the entrenched power of Big Politics is such as to render any rival upstart stillborn. It won’t happen at the ballot box, not in the expected sense. Voting is their game and you can’t beat someone at their own game.’

  • http://xxlmag.com Bol

    >Do you want me to no longer comment on your posts?

    I want you to jump in a lake and take about 95% of the people who post here with you.

  • http://www.richarte.blogspot.com Rich Arte

    @Larry Brite…it’s fart gas like Rudi G. that make the American race wish they weren’t Americans. He will do the same shit Bush is doin, it’s just that he’s a bit more literate. Same pompous asshole, almost same agenda, still want to keep the middle-class americans from reaching the top. Fuck republicans and everything they stand for.

    And fuck ToiletBol (no homo) just because.

  • Jimmy Jump

    BOL ur the dbag! If you don’t vote don’t complain. By constantly telling people that their vote won’t count they don’t goto the polls so in fact it doesn’t, then there’s no change. If anything you should tell everyone to vote for Obama (I am) at the very least we’ll have our first black president.

  • http://xxlmag.com Bol

    >Frankenstein John Kerry made that mistake and although the majority of black votes went his way, his not courting them, in part caused him the election.

    How so? Didn’t he get like 95%? If I remember correctly, he got even more of the black vote than Gore, probably due to blacks’ exasperation with the first Bush term.

  • http://myfriendscallmenikkos.blogspot.com/ nikkos

    Good analysis, but you could pretty much say the same for the white community as well- we all to vote for one of the two poor choices we are offered each election cycle.

  • these posts are racist

    “I want you to jump in a lake and take about 95% of the people who post here with you.”

    Why because I expose your faulty logic and bigotry? In that case, I’ll continue to do so.

  • These Posts Are Rascist

    “Jump in a lake”
    Well, then you´ll se me in the nude, you probably would like that. I only swim with men naked on islamic fiests, it´s our tradition and don´t hate on it.
    My daughter is wearin a burkha to school and giving handjobs to teachers, she´s a straight A student by now.

  • http://www.richarte.blogspot.com Rich Arte

    @Boner Jams 03..your name is homo; why don’t you and Larry Brite get together and come out the closet together as Brite Boner Jams???

    ^^^fuck the democrats…they have taken the black vote for granted for too fuckin loong..as much as i hate the republicans..u gotta give it to those crackas..they definetely look out for the interests of the people that put them in office….they damn sure are keeping the rich rich and letting the poor get poorer….while the democrats just deliver empty promises

    it’s attitudes like yours that got us 4 more years of Bush. if the rich are already rich, why help them become richer so they can shit on the rest of society. wake up. do you realize that you still live in the real world where injustice and self-interest rules. instead of tryin to better the nation (predominately lower and middle class) you try to better the one’s that are already financially stable. Instead of trying to balance out the playing field where everyone has enough to eat, you would rather get fatter and let the weak and meager starve to death???
    Do you realize we are created equal? one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberties and justice for all?
    Why don’t you go download pirated music to your psp, and go kiss daddies ass for allowance and keys to the family Bentley…or better yet, go join a catholic church and become an altar boy.
    WAKE THE FUCK UP.

  • Redd

    BOL
    It was not group sex gone awry, 10 mufucksa forced their way into her home. Read the Shit before you comment. Assclown.

  • Teenage Millionaire

    Imagine if TPAR and BOL where the same person…. how crazy would that be !

  • Around and Around

    If it’s the ‘lesser of two evils’ then why vote?

  • NoMamesBuey

    lesser of 2 evils makes a HUGE DIFFERENCE in the US President.

    George W Bush v Bill Clinton?

    Gee Dubbz is raping the constitution, shitting on civil rights. Too bad we don’t have a MLK Jr civil rights leader around today to protest W’s treasonous acts.

    Yeah, the congressional Dems’ extreme bitchmade-ness tends to exceeds even Bol’s bitchmade-ness. However, the Dems will not shit on the constitution like Gee Dubbz.

    Myself, I prefer Richardson in terms of experience, & Kucinich in terms of policy.

    But I’ll take any of these dems over the W2 aka wannabe dic-tator (yes homo, dude crossdresses) Rudy Giuliani.

  • boner jams 03

    rich arte u don’t know what the fuck u talkin bout…u totally took my comment out of perspective….everything u said was the reason why i don’t fuck with the democratts …because they say they are going to do that..but then they don’t….so if u want to blindly give your vote to someone who doesn’t have your best interests in mind and just want to throw your vote away due to your loyalty to a certain political party then go ahead…but as for me i’m gonna give my vote to someone who has the best interests of me, my people,and this nation in mind…ni’m giving my vote to someone based on his or her morals, strategy, platform, and character…not his or her party affiliation…sounds like u are the one that needs to wake the fuck up….

  • Worley

    It ain’t that the hip-hop vote doesn’t count. The population in urban centers on the coasts where you will find racial “others” can’t compete with the numbers inland where Bush and others solidify their base.

    Moreover, change is really in local government. The Klan, Jim Crow, etc were all effective because they ran things locally. The federal government just doles out money and they can’t bring charges in most cases. We need to think locally because nationally we are f*cked.

  • OG Bobby Johnson

    @Rich Arte
    SOn I think you got shit twisted….
    It is not the republicans or the democrats. The system is the problem…so it dont matter who is in the office because the middle class will never prosper. In fact, since the “middle class” is comprised of the largest amount of the population, they are the one most often effected by the bullshit legislature, whether there is a democrat or repulican in the white house. Democrats always take about tax breaks for the middle class and higher taxes on the Upper class, but something we need to understand is that the weather on top is always sunny. In other words, the upper class are your Business owners and CEO’s of the country….so by taxing them more, they in turn counter those losses by cutting losses in the work force by firing employees or cutting company amendities. The rich stay winnin. The only think I can say is that While we all know the republican have been fucking us, atleast they dont hide it. The democrats will inadverntatly fuck us in the long haul. Did you know that during Bill Clintons administration, the US Navy tested the Levies in New Orleans and requested funding for repair and reinforcements….but your boy Billy was too busy getting face and give ugly chicks the SHOCKER to do so. The whole system is fucked because the good of the majority is out weighed by the power of the dollar…

  • boner jams 03

    Around and Around Says:

    August 23rd, 2007 at 2:59 pm
    If it’s the ‘lesser of two evils’ then why vote?

    exactly…i’m tired of voting AGAINST politicians…i want to vote FOR someone…

  • http://brandonsoderberg.blogspot.co, brandonsoderberg

    I thought he got about the same percentage as Gore? I sort of mispoke, not necessarily cost him the election but his inability to actually appeal to them and instead, banking on their vote, separates him from Obama who facade or not (he’s a pragmatist after all), gives the illusion of not being an elitist prick. The religion factor is the remaining minor, really minor % of that black vote that Dems. like Kerry can’t attract. Hilary will make the same mistake or seems to be

  • Around and Around

    OG Bobby Johnson Says:

    August 23rd, 2007 at 3:17 pm
    @Rich Arte
    SOn I think you got shit twisted….
    It is not the republicans or the democrats. The system is the problem…so it dont matter who is in the office because the middle class will never prosper. In fact, since the “middle class” is comprised of the largest amount of the population, they are the one most often effected by the bullshit legislature, whether there is a democrat or repulican in the white house. Democrats always take about tax breaks for the middle class and higher taxes on the Upper class, but something we need to understand is that the weather on top is always sunny. In other words, the upper class are your Business owners and CEO’s of the country….so by taxing them more, they in turn counter those losses by cutting losses in the work force by firing employees or cutting company amendities. The rich stay winnin. The only think I can say is that While we all know the republican have been fucking us, atleast they dont hide it. The democrats will inadverntatly fuck us in the long haul. Did you know that during Bill Clintons administration, the US Navy tested the Levies in New Orleans and requested funding for repair and reinforcements….but your boy Billy was too busy getting face and give ugly chicks the SHOCKER to do so. The whole system is fucked because the good of the majority is out weighed by the power of the dollar…
    ——-
    Cosign OG Bobby Johnson Hoover Duece

    -Like I say so why vote for 2 fucking choices in a country of 300mil?

  • these posts are racist

    So much for BOL’s concept of “Free Speech”. What happend to your “Your Daughters can Suck it” post, son?

  • OD Bobby Johnson

    DUECE HERE!!!!
    I swear cats think its sweet out here…this aint fantasy land
    Peter Pan ass comments

  • rec

    A more pluralistic system is what is needed in the US. More parties more voices and more choices. A two party “democracy” what a joke!

  • OG BObby Johnson

    what up Around & Around…..
    It nice to see that real still recognize real

  • http://www.MySpace.com/LarryBrite Larry Brite

    “@Larry Brite…it’s fart gas like Rudi G. that make the American race wish they weren’t Americans. He will do the same shit Bush is doin, it’s just that he’s a bit more literate.”
    Good Point – That’s why i want Obama in the first place – But polls are looking tooo postive for the fella so i gave my 2nd – Gulianni – But as you pointed out, dOOd looks like he might just be a Rep. Puppet – All I’m saying is he got the city moving post 9/11 therefore my decision – but honestly, in the long run . . . i live in the land off democrats (which i have NO problem with at all – it just sux when your popular vote doesn’t agree with the other 75% of america – purley opinion) & my vote counts for squat if the majority does’t agree.
    -
    moving on
    -
    “@Boner Jams 03..your name is homo; why don’t you and Larry Brite get together and come out the closet together as Brite Boner Jams???”
    - You can come better than that RIGHT??? – You don’t know me so i’ll let that slide – BUT I’M HOMEGROWN CALIFORNIAN – check the polls for the last two elections . . . homie, i’m the last person to throw ya shi* @ – I’ll clarify, I want Obama as president because i think he will do a good job – If he doesn’t make it past primarys than i’m probably not gonna vote – PERIOD – He seems to be the only voice (obama) in this political arena i can seem to trust – HELL I TRUST SWARZZINNIEGEE (or what ever the fuct his name is) over 99% of the politicians out here because he’s the only one with a clean record (other than smoking pot – or riding a motorcycle with out a bikers license).
    -
    It’s just that simple, but i drink a lot, so what do i kno???

  • Cuban Link

    as long as that bitch Hilary doesnt win Im cool with anyone else.They say obama doesnt have enough experience, and that might be true.But regardless, I’ll just feel completely unsafe if Hilary wins.I mean at least now we got a gun slinging war hungry Texan in president.That nigga will whip some ass! Terrorists know that if they blow our asses up on the subway, Bush will nuke every nation with residents that look like them. If Hilary wins, I just think itll be an open invitation for terrorism here.I know Bush completely fucked Mother nature, and odds are in 40 years we’re fucked, but Im more concerned about survivng while going through Time Square than something thatll kill us all later.I mean if this shit keeps up, we might not be around long enough to worry about global warming.

    Shit, I may have to vote Republican in ’08.

  • J King

    Fuck Obama. I’m not from the States and only know the basics about American politics; however, I’m not stupid enough to vote for his ass. Russell’s right when he says he is a mouse. Dude’s dirty. Just because he’s black doesn’t mean that the hip hop community should just jump on his bandwagon. Why you going to support someone who despises hip-hop but puts on a front in order to obtain votes. He’s no better than any other politician. Let’s say he gets into office what’s the first thing he’s going to X of his list. Yeah he’s black and yeah he’s posed on black magazine’s but does that mean he’s here for black people. What’s his cause, what’s his goal. It’s not enough to listen to him, or read about him. Half the things politicians do and say are bullshit. You gotta be able to read the dude. But hey I ain’t living in the States. I could care less if y’all get stuck with another Bush.

  • http://xxlmag.com King B

    BOL you are a very smart man. I am of Mexican-American descent, and I feel like fuck voting no one says shit for my people. It seems when these races start that it is always a way to divide people. Such as Obama being half black or whatever, so black people should vote for him because he is black. Yes, that is the reason he was on Vibe magazine to get the black vote, even though he lacks expiernce and accountability him being on a “urban” magazine (a shitty one at that) is suppose to sway blacks to his side. I think politcians need to stop catering to their one particular audience (religion, gays, ethnics etc.). Start by trying to actually be yourself, so we don’t vote a lying hippicritical asshole into office, Hilary 08!

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  • Fernando

    These Posts Are Rascist Says:

    August 23rd, 2007 at 2:32 pm
    “Jump in a lake”
    Well, then you´ll se me in the nude, you probably would like that. I only swim with men naked on islamic fiests, it´s our tradition and don´t hate on it.
    My daughter is wearin a burkha to school and giving handjobs to teachers, she´s a straight A student by now.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    I knew it. Check my final masterpiece on Bol’s previoius post. TPAR, A&A, and their goons ALL GOT SONNED!

  • JD3

    aint no way im voting for Hillary Clinton. how in the hell did she not know ol slick Willy was cheating on her ass? and people actually believe she can run this country! you think the leaders of these crazy muslim contries are really gonna respect or listen to the woman President of the U.S.? they already hate us over there. this would make it worse. they would make her wear that stupid curtain over her head. if Hillary becomes the Prez, were all in trouble

  • Purple Hulk

    ANYONE NOT SUPPORTING RON PAUL NEEDS TO BE SLAPPED.

  • Daesonesb

    Add to the shout outs juelz santana and wayne in da drought three black republicans spinoff.

  • Daesonesb

    oh, and ron paul is the most hardbody candidate this election. He wants to get rid of the IRS. Whats more hip hop than that?

  • these posts are racist

    You ever wonder how we can afford to send people to the moon, build large jets, take over countries, spend billions and billions of dollars to destroy Iraq, but we couldn’t help the victims (poor and black people) of Katrina, can’t provide health care four millions of fellow Americans?

  • these posts are racist

    Religious Fundamentalists and terrorists. Here’s some knowlege and irony. Christian fundamentalists in America outnumber any other fundamentalist. They spend billions to further their agenda. Besides bombing abortion clinicss, molesting kids, etc. Christian zionists believe that there must be a big war in the middle east in order for Jesus to come back. They therefore lobbied hard for the iraq war and are pusing for war in iran. They had great influence on us going to war in iraq. So christian religious fundamentalists are in fact causing the deaths of 100s of thousands of people for their religious views. They hold your favorite candidate in their pocket. Want to revise your definition of terrorist?

  • Bitch Im From Detroit

    Eric B for President Fools

  • Cuban Link

    TPAR,

    Than how about Islamic extremists? I dont see Christian zionists bombing London subways, plotting to blow up planes over the atlantic, or murdering American soldiers stationed at Fort Dix. Even though I completly disagree with what you said, they arent murdering innocent people.And I already know what you are going to say, they kill thousands of innocent people by pushing for these wars.There hands arent on the bombs or the guns. Whether or not they did push for the war as you say, be real, do you honestly think their goal is to kill the innocent people that have suffered through Iraq?

    And, by the way, you misused “four”.So Im officially smarter than you.Psh, I run this shit.

  • The Real Bishop

    TPAR, we stopped sending people to the moon a long time ago. I don’t know if you make it a point to regularly check where your tax money goes (most Dems are only too happy to send it away, which explains why so many Dems at my work play the lottery), but NASA doesn’t get shit these days. I’m not sure why you’re so worried about what kind of jets our “government” builds, but if you’re pissed about the fact that Katrina aid hasn’t added up to shit lately, then why don’t you just say so rather than coming up with a slew of generalizations that only obscure your point?

    I notice that you also chose to personally insult every Christian “fundamentalist” in this country, which, whatever you thought of us before, applies to every single Bible-believing Baptist out there, including me. The only way you can legitimze claiming that we (my Christian brethren and I) spend a “billion dollars” per year on our “agenda” is by counting our charitable donations that we all (are supposed to) make to our local church every month. That means that, in the course of one paragraph, you were able to imply that the 50 to 60 bucks I slid my church to fix our parking lot, and the 100 bucks I send to our Christian missionaries in Czech, are ACTUALLY part of a giant agenda to molest children, bomb abortion clinics, and “etc.” (I’m afraid to generalize, but it’s probably some nefarious shit)

    Now, I know what you’re getting at (presumably, that there really ARE some fucked up Christians in this country that hold signs like ‘god hates fags’ and go around trying to get people to believe that middle eastern terrorism is God’s good, and all that shit, and that’s some scary shit), but given that you routinely skewer Bol for his rampant generalization, I think you ought to be more careful when you say that Christian fundamentalists “outnumber” any other, and that they have some sort of billion-dollar agenda… because to establish those figures, you have to include the millions of Christians out there who, contrary to that previous paranthetical description of a scary “Christian” extremist, believe in loving other people, spend a shitload of money on stuff that helps others at the cost of improving their own situation, and all-around are trying to reflect a love to the world that they believe Christ showed them back in the day.

  • http://www.richarte.blogspot.com Rich Arte

    @Boner Jams
    maybe I read what you said wrong, but you said it (read below). And maybe you and OGBJ are right about the whole “system” I feel the government is a big conspiracy theory anyway. But while we are still taxpayin citizens, me as a middle-class citizen would rather look out for my best interests as well as those in my “class”.
    I’m going to take pride in my priveledge to vote and hope I could help in electing an official capable of running our country. I think Obama will have our best interests in mind, then say Bush, who felt it was more important to read books to students when our nation was being terrorized. If Bill Clinton couldn’t fix the levies, but Bush was aware, why didn’t he fix them?
    And one more thing, like I said before, when Clinton was in office, he encouraged education and there was an abundance of Federal money available for grants and scholarships. Republicans can pay for their children to go to school while the lower and middle class find other means (i.e. student loans, fast money) to get by. What is our generation left with…owing thousands of dollars to Fannie Mae which is like having a cheaper mortgage payment because you’re gonna be payin that shit off for 30 years.
    I’m just sayin I need a change. I’m tired of cussin out the government that I pay when all they do is fuck me over (no homo). That’s like sleepin with a bitch that’s burnin..over and over again.
    No disrespect. I feel like it’s so much involved with politics..everybody entitled to they own opinion. I aint goin knock you or nobody else for theirs. I’m sure everybody passionate about somethin…hopefully Obama passionate about changin this country.
    Do what you do, the only person who is really deserving of the insults is Bol…and whoever that racist ass KKK member who comments on here from time to time. With that bein said, I’m votin Obama.

    ^^I’ll clarify, I want Obama as president because i think he will do a good job

    If this is what you really mean then why say shit like
    ^^fuck the democrats…they have taken the black vote for granted for too fuckin loong..as much as i hate the republicans..u gotta give it to those crackas..they definetely look out for the interests of the people

  • http://www.richarte.blogspot.com Rich Arte

    @Larry Brite..read my previous comment.

    co-sign The Real Bishop. TPAR you just got sonned.

  • Around and Around

    How did TPar get ‘sonned’ and wtf is sonned anyway? Sonned sounds pussy. ‘Ohhhh you got Sonnned Son….’peter pan ass niggas.

    Real Bishop’s response talked about aportion clinics and shit which TPAR didn’t bring up. Bishop did not refute anything TPAR said in regards to Christian Zionist, their belief that a huge war has to take place in the Middle East, and kill all the Muslims for there white man to come back. He didn’t talk about how they support Israel, the most brutal colonist Army of our time, how they cheer death in the Middle east. Bishop didn’t address this.

    He tried to make it seem like TPAR was talking about every Christian who donates to their church. Of course he’s not talking about this. It takes an idiot to not make the conection that TPAR was talking about Falwell’s Crew, the 500 club and the rest of the Christian Zionist org’s who are into pushing there genocidal policies on our Gov’t, and who now want us to bomb Iran.
    Like these:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-blumenthal/rapture-ready-the-unauth_b_57826.html

  • Gutta Gutta

    At the very least, I think a significant percentage of the electorate would feel that much more comfortable with at least one white guy (one-half doesn’t count) in the White House

    We have a white guy in office right now and look what he has done to the country. Are you sure that its that important to have another one.

  • Boner jams 03

    i never said i want obama as president…i think he is too inexperienced…

  • boner jams 03

    and u cut my quote short rich arte..i said republicans definetley look out for THE PEOPLE THAT PUT THEM IN OFFICE…in other words, republicans are definetely loyal to their republican standards..unlike the flip-flopping, wavering pussies that are the democrats…

  • http://www.richarte.blogspot.com The Richest Arte

    @boner jams: sorry i got carried away..good point

    @around and around: I’ll give you a comprehendable example of sonned.
    teacher:who discovered america?
    student 1: christopher columbus
    teacher: that’s right
    student 2: no, that’s wrong. It was a slave that was aboard the ship that pointed out the land, and because he was a slave he got no credit for the finding, instead they hail christopher columbus
    teacher: that’s not what the history book says.
    student 2: you don’t know your history.

    the teacher just got sonned by the student. what word would you use to replace “sonned”? owned? fill in the blank________.

    though TPAR does make some educated and enlightening comments, he is not the alpha of the xxl blog posts. but he did say “Here’s some knowlege and irony. Christian fundamentalists in America outnumber any other fundamentalist. They spend billions to further their agenda. Besides bombing abortion clinicss, molesting kids, etc. Christian zionists believe that there must be a big war in the middle east in order for Jesus to come back.” which is a very generalized statement. he also mentioned abortion, which you say he did not. Do you two know each other outside of this blog because you seem hell-bent on defending him…damn. Me, I’m an individual that speaks my mind, siding only with those with similar viewpoints. I might co-sign what someone is sayin on here, but I’m not goin debate for them, that’s what pussies do. I’m sure TPAR can explain his own comments and doesn’t have the time to pat his stan on the back. sorry. if you agreed with him, cool, but you start defendin him like you was his lawyer or somethin. I aint tryin to get in no internet beefs with NOBODY because that’s what pussies do. no disrespect to you either cuz you can back up whoever you want to, but from the outside lookin in, it looks kinda suspect. I’m just sayin…..

  • these posts are racist

    “co-sign The Real Bishop. TPAR you just got sonned.”

    So I suppose you are Real Bishop’s Stan? Seems a little suspect to me.

    Dipshit, Christian fundamentalists make up many members of congress and influence members of congress with millions of dollars. They also, DIRECTLY fund Israel’s apartheid regime over the Palestinians. Which makes them……terrorists, per your and the other dipshit’s reasoning.

    Also, why did we kill 680,000 innocent Iraqis? Why do we support Israel when it is a regime that discriminiates against millions of people it controls based solely on their religion? When it steals their land, drops one ton bombs on civilian neighborhoods? These Christian zionists/fundamentalists, directly support such state sponsored terrorism.

    Look in the mirror, bitch.

  • Rich Arte

    probably because bush is in office. you still failed to explain why we are at war with them in the first place. don’t get mad at me cuz i didn’t agree with you. I felt what he was sayin, therefore co-signing what he said, you and around and around take it personally, i’ll sit at my desk and laugh about all the commotion that’s being stirred.

    I’m opposed to the war in Iraq, I don’t condone the killing of innocent people, but when America was terrorized by Bin Laden, we had to counter-act, but with a dickhead in office, he instead uses tax paying dollars to fund his “personal vendettas”. I’m not a teacher, preacher or politician, just a tax-payin citizen with an opinion.

  • Rich Arte

    ^^^These Posts Are Rascist Says:

    August 23rd, 2007 at 2:32 pm
    “Jump in a lake”
    Well, then you´ll se me in the nude, you probably would like that. I only swim with men naked on islamic fiests

    you’re not even a suspect anymore, you are OFFICIAL.

  • Larry Brite

    “^^fuck the democrats…they have taken the black vote for granted for too fuckin loong..as much as i hate the republicans..u gotta give it to those crackas..they definetely look out for the interests of the people”
    -
    Arte – i didn’t say that – I said i want Obama

  • Around and Around

    Not taking anything personally, and this isn’t beef. Like most others ths amuses me while I attempt to look like i’m working.

  • Bsizzle

    thats really to bad for obama because hip hop is dead.

    Yes, the game is over.

  • http://www.richarte.blogspot.com Rich Arte

    @larry brite: that comment was for Boner jams…

    @around and around: ditto.

    for all it’s worth, the country will never live up to “our” standards, so we either deal with it or move to another country. when we try to promote change, the positive and the negative collide leaving us with debris and litter to live in. there’s no real way to clean it up. we don’t even vote for our Head of State, we vote for the electoral college, who then in turn votes for the President. It’s still a majority rules vote, however you look at it. We live in a land of racial injustice, poverty, etc. and we’re supposed to be the richest and free-est country in the world.

  • OG Bobby Johnson

    @ everyone
    When it comes to polotics, people become passionate and have strong opinions. Being from New York City, I remember the Towers standing tall while driving the BQE (brooklyn-Queens Expressway) I dont care who you represent…Christian, Jew, Muslim or whoever…..if you are stupid enough to Kill for something that is as faith based as religion, you desrve to be killed. Somethings are just natural…kill or be killed and the human nature of conflict is and always was prevelant on this planet. War will always be waged in some form. and as fucked up as it sounds….better 680,000 Iraqis then 1 american. Sorry world….step your military game up….and before your critize….remember that its better to me the one eatin then the one thats starvin….and these countries got stomach cramps…ya dig?

  • CINCINNATI BITCHES

    VOTE OBAMA OR DIE..BITCHES.

  • The Real Bishop

    TPAR,

    Since you’re obviously eager to ask questions rather than give answers, why are you so hostile? Why must I be the “other dipshit?” Where do you get your information? And why must Rich Arte and I defend the government wholesale?

    I understand your point about our supposedly “zionist” members of congress who control millions of dollars in public money, and while I dispute your original claim of a “billion-dollar agenda,” especially as it relates to molesting children, I’ll cosign your frustration with the common American taxpayer’s (provided you have a job) inability to affect or control their representation. And hell, who can say what congress was thinking when they extended the war or failed to demand any sort of accountability with the reconstructive efforts? If it had to do with religion, as you believe it did, I accept your anger.

    However, I think our “fundamentalist” problem in this country has much more to do with fundamental greed than anything else. Politicians, time and time again, are revealed to be corrupt as hell, and I’m surprised that you’ve been able to do the necessary research to come up with the names of supposed “Zionist” congressman and legislators (as well as how much money they spend each year, and what portion of that money was raised and financed by their Zionist constituents), without noticing that basically every single congressman and senator in this country has been primarily concerned with making themselves rich, and secondly with getting themselves re-elected, and thirdly with appealing to the “party line” of whatever ticket they were elected on, and lastly with doing anything related to “representing the interests of the electorate.” Why do you think Congress’s approval rating right now is so low?

    And, finally, I still don’t think you serve the interests of your own argument, or anyone who agrees with you on this message board, by constantly resorting to wholesale attacks on Christians, nor by willfully insulting people like me who disagree with you… “dipshit reasoning” may abound on the XXL forums, but, advanced professionally, economically, and socially as we may all be, name-calling is still grade school-level thinking. If you really want to bring us all up to your level of debate, I think you ought to make sure your reasoning isn’t permeated with childish antics.

  • OG Bobby Johnson

    YO BISHOP
    that is how that gets done!
    SHUT it down….simply put….
    TPAR = 0
    BISHOP = 1

  • these posts are racist

    Bishop,

    You seem like a sincere dude. I apologize for disrespecting you, i was out of order for that. Honestly, I don’t think you and I are that far from a compromise, its difficult having a real discussion over a message board…and meanings are misunderstood.
    I’ll address some of your points in your last post.

    Second Paragraph: I used the child molesting (Catholic priest example) to illustrate the point that saying “Christians molest children” is as absurd as saying “Muslims are terrorists”. Or to do as BOL constantly does, attacks the religion and its members for the acts of some of its members. See his Oakland post, where he attacked “Black Muslims” for the murders, fraud, etc. committed by certain people who are identified as Muslims.

    As far as the reasons for the Iraq war. Multi-fold: Control of middle eastern oil is part of the reason, but we could control it w/out a full fledge invasion. A big push was AIPAC (A zionist Lobby) and other Christian Zionist groups who lobbied hard for it. This statment should not be taken as a blast at Christians or Christianity, just Christian zionists. Moreover, Christian zionists orgs. send money and lobby our govt. to give Israel weapons, etc. even though they run an Apartheid regime and murder innocent Palestinians on a daily…Even though this is true, I don’t go around calling Christians terrorists or whatever.

    This blanket attack on “Muslims” is bigoted and wrong. Nobody analyzes the specifics of a group, incident, etc. but rather lumps all actions/violence, etc. by Muslims into the category of “Muslim terrorism.”

    Again, I apologize for insulting you.

    Peace.

  • The Real Bishop

    TPAR,

    no offense. i appreciate your desire to clear the record and avoid getting too petty with each other. Plus, out of a probably understandable desire to defend my religion, I took your remarks about Christianity at face value rather than as some illustration of improper generalization, which I railed pretty strongly against in my first post.

    The thing I wanted to clarify most, more than making any kind of political statement, is that “Christian religious fundamentalists” are not “christian zionists,” are not a part of Falwell’s crew, and are not limited to one political party or direction from center. Christians just believe Christ came back (we differ and fight, largely and often comically, about when he’s coming back again), saved everyone who was willing to believe in Him, commanded us all to love everyone, and that’s that. I can’t speak authoritatively on Islam or politics, but I CAN say for certain that the endless media-created (and unfortunately often religiously co-opted) caricature of the “Religious Right” does a disservice to all us Christians out there who think independently.

    I’m sure I disagree with you politically. And, truth be told, I wouldn’t be in this message board if I wasn’t a regular reader of Bol’s columns. Clearly you take a fair bit of outrage as to his topics and beliefs, and maybe some of it is fueled by the same emotions that got me up-in-arms about clarifying what Christianity was. So, I’m sure we’re probably pretty personally and politically divergent. Nevertheless, I come away with this impressed that we, save for basically one post, refrained from getting needlessly personal, and hopeful that you and everybody else on this message board will be careful about saying what it is “Christian fundamentalists” means. (which, I never get tired of saying, usually applies in the media and in our culture, to a ton of well-meaning, not-up-to-no-good, not molesting children or bombing abortion clinics, not-interested-in-supporting-a-Jewish-state-just-to-expedite-Christ’s-return, type of people.)

    Here’s hoping we exercize that level of care about what it is “all Christians” believe and do, “all Islams” believe and do, and, God forbid, what it is all “black people” believe and do, too.

  • these posts are racisr

    Bishop,

    Much respect, thanks for the knowledge and perspective.

  • dilan

    What’s wrong with half of the people on this blog? You guys are dissing Obama and I’m willing to bet that half of you haven’t even studied the guys backround or know what policies he stands for. Hell Boners 03 said he was the Mayor of Chicago! Daley has been running the city for over 15 years dufus! It would take a blog full of black people to say a black man isn’t experienced enough when the guy has been in Government longer than Hilary. And it would take a blog full of black folks to say the we just shouldn’t vote even though older cats died for us to have that right. Then Bols calls the guy half black (Even though he lives on the Southside of Chicago and has been involved in the community for years. Look, we finally have someone who has a real chance to get some things done and he’s the best canidate for the job and all we can do is complain about voting and question his blackness? Do your homework, get your facts straight, and then make a decision on who to vote for and if you still don’t like any of the canidates, get involved in the process and be the damn difference!

  • these posts are racist

    “exercize that level of care about what it is “all Christians” believe and do, “all Islams” believe and do, and, God forbid, what it is all “black people” believe and do, too.”

    Co-Sign. Much respect Bishop. Thanks for the knowledge and perspective.

  • Purple Hulk

    IM BEGINNING TO THINK TPAR AND BISHOP ARE THE SAME PERSON WITH WAY TOO MUCH TIME ON THEIR HANDS.

  • Impulse 187

    It is not right to vote for someone solely on thier skin color. Thats fucked up how you are saying just cus barak is black means hip hop sides with him automatically. speak for yourself when you say that shit, dont speak for the whole community with that shit.
    Vote for the man because he has good points, or views, and will help the econemy.
    That bieng said, they wait till the world is all fucked up and about to start up the third world war until they give a black man presidency, like “Here nigger, clean up my mess”. Not only that, but the KKK still exist, the racist still exist, theres still evil, and no doubt barak will have to watch over his shoulder. cus now ALOT of them have access to sniper rifles, or some shit, just because they dont like the color of someone’s skin.