The Ultimate Ethical Dilemma

I don’t mean to give the impression that I’m the kind of guy who spends a Wednesday night home alone reading the Onion AV Club, but last night I happened to be at home alone reading the Onion AV Club and I stumbled across what could very well be the ultimate ethical dilemma.

I was reading a review of the new book Mr. Untouchable by the legendary Harlem drug kingpin Leroy “Nicky” Barnes[1]. I probably won’t actually read the book itself, because I feel like I’ve already wasted enough of my life reading these damn “as told to” memoirs, but damn it if the guy’s story – or what I could gather of it from the world’s most accurate encyclopedia – isn’t tres interesting.

Along with a guy named, uggh… Guy Fisher, Nicky Barnes was one of the two biggest heroin dealers in all of New York. He made a shiteload of money, and he considered himself untouchable – hence the name of his memoir. But he ended up getting caught for driving without a license and the state threw the book at him – life in prison without the possibility of parole. Damn.

While he was in the joint, the guys from his drug gang began stealing all of his money and banging his wife, which is where the ethical dilemma comes in. You see, Nicky Barnes felt that this betrayal justified him to become an informant, and he ended up ratting out a shiteload of drug dealers, including most of his crew as well as his wife, the whore. In return, his sentence was significantly shortened, and he was released into the witness protection program in 2004.

Which brings me to my point: In an ethical dilemma such as the one Nicky Barnes faced, complicated by issues having to do with a woman’s infidelity, should the time-honored tradition of bros before hoes take precedence over the sacred code of the streets, i.e. thou shalt not snitch? In other words, is the implicit agreement between thieves not to rat one another out rendered invalid if one thief sleeps with another one’s wife?

I’m not sure if there’s an official rule about this one way or the other, but here’s a few things to consider:

1) If you’re in prison for life without the possibility of parole anyway, it’s not like your wife is going to be of much use to you anymore.

2) But at the same time, that is your wife. Think about how much money he must have spent on that tramp just to have her banging his partner as soon as he got locked up.

3) And as the situation with Nas’ baby’s mother and Jay-Z proved, there’s just no accounting for a woman’s unique sense of morality. It’s likely Nicky Barnes’ crew wasn’t left with much of a choice in the matter.

What do you ‘bags think?

[1] Supposedly, the Jim Croce song “Bad, Bad Leroy Brown” was about Nicky Barnes. He was also the basis for Wesley Snipes’ Nino Brown character in the film New Jack City.

  • My Effin’ Opinion

    I’m pretty sure Nicky Barnes still had clout after he was in jail … so with that being said, he would’ve _really_ been gangsta by just putting out “hits” on all people that did him wrong. He was already jailed for life so it wasn’t like they were gonna give him _more_ time.

    I’m sure Nicky took care of alot people who were forever in his debt and woulda did this for him (or at least hire someone to take care of this for him).

    Sooooooooo

    Snitchin’ = not gangsta
    pluckin’ people off from jail = gangsta

  • these posts are racist

    99.9% of people will say anything if their life is in danger or their freedom is compromised. The idea of a “no snitch” crew, is a myth.

    Nicky Barnes claims that his loyalty to not snitch on his crew was contigent upon other loyalties his crew owed him, such as not banging his woman. I believe serving the rest of his life in prison was a stronger motiviation for him to “sntich” then the pretext his wife and colleagues having inappropriate relations. Rudy Gulliani put a deal on the table, and he took. Plain and simple.

  • Elijah

    no way do you SNITCH his dumbass got himself in jail driving without a license. So now he mad cause his wife fucking around cats get 2 emotional over pussy just remmember u don’t own no female they can do whatever they want regardless if that’s your wife or not far as I’m concerned. Yeah there should be some loyalty but come on now he prh’lee fucked plently of bitches.

  • Fernando

    Skip not snitching. If they take life down to 10 years, Ill rat anybody out except family or CLOSE CLOSE friends. If its the mob(or any other highly organized crime unit), I would probably not snitch since I would probably get murked the second I got out. But if the Feds gave me a break to rat out some drug connects who were tagging my wife, then Im gonna sing like Teddy Pendergrass baby.

  • EReal

    Im not for snitchin of any kind. As someone who can no longer vote, I can attest to this.

    But this post brings up a very good point. This wasnt just his wife bangin some dude, these were his partners. They had a code, The Commission, and this was one of the rules. At no time would a man sleep with another member’s wife. With all the dope money these dudes were makin its not like they couldnt have smashed out any other female. Why did it have to be his wife, in direct violationof the code of the commission. Thats what it came down to. He felt disrespected and betrayed by those who were supposed to be his family. You never know what you’re gonna do until you’ve been in that situation and have been betrayed by someone you consider family. I dont condone what this guy did by any means, but the way IMO he was lookin at it like they broke a rule, so now all the rules of the commission were out the window. Theres nothing worse than being locked up, so what worse revenge??? These cats are probably still in jail and Nikki is sittin pretty in witness protection, chillin.
    I dont agree with this, as I said, at all.
    All I can say is that Bol brought up a very valid point, and I can see why Nikki did it. Its not like he rolled from the rip, he was gonna do his time. If they had abided by the rules, he most likely would have also. He wasnt sam rothsteinin that shit, but oh well.

    1 hunned.

  • 4

    4th

  • ROREED

    If it is one person u r able to trust that is your wife and once she broke that trust that was it. They broke his trust so he did to them what they had done to him. And how they made it seem on BET she and whoever made sure it got back to jail that she was fuckn off on him so I aint go do time while my wife is fuckn my nigs and all of them r still eatn off of me. So I dont blame him, I blame them. He may have still snitched but they made it easier for him. Cop that Buck G-G-G-G Unit South!!!

  • M

    i can’t really answer this question, because i would never sell heroin. and i think anyone who would is a little fucked in the head. so i don’t know how successful you’re gonna be looking for logic in this equation.

  • dameSTATii

    bol, big NYT piece about him about 2 weeks ago. dig it up, nullus.

    The STATUS….

  • John Cochran

    I’m not even gonna be an internet gangsta and say some hard shit. I’m not in that life so I would’nt know what to do. I do think that his squad should’ve been loyal, I cant say the same for the broad cause you know hoes aint got one loyal bone in thier bodies. I’m sure he had folks on the streets that owed him. Hr shouldda just put hits out. Cause how well do you think the feds are gonna protect your black ass, hah?

  • theSTATUS

    Stop the lies. That New Jack City shyt was based on Felix Mitchell, from the 69th Village, in OAKLAND (Grating accents and all that), CALIFORNIA.

    Eff yo Wiki Bol!

    The STATuS..

  • dameSTATii

    Where are my comments Server Ninjas!?

    throw some D’s on that server! Elliot probably bought that shyt at Brandsmart USA.

  • dameSTATii

    I stand corrected, Wiki’s on point about Felix:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_Mitchell

    So, Eff your research Bol!!

    Ya Boy had Sade Smooth Operator playing as they buried him, Gangsta!

  • John Brown

    Why is this guys email and name in my broswer. care to explain. I’m suing.

  • http://xxlmag.com Bol

    >Stop the lies. That New Jack City shyt was based on Felix Mitchell, from the 69th Village, in OAKLAND (Grating accents and all that), CALIFORNIA.

    Well, you think everything is based on something that happened in Oakland.

  • My Effin’ Opinion

    @ THESTATUS & BOL

    The movie and the character where really based on the Chambers Brothers from Detroit

  • king blair

    there is a MAN CODE and in man code you dont fuck your mans bitch without permission it is disrespect an that nigga was blown them niggas was posed to take care of his business fuck them dudes tell get out get mo pussy fuck’em all

  • P

    Yea they do say Nino brown was based on Nicky Barnes…Now normally Nicky Barnes wouldn’t have had any right to snitch…except on that BET American Gangsta show, it said the Nicky Barnes and his crew had a pact..and if the pact was broken, all bets were off…and not banging each others wives was in that pact…so since his people felt the need to break their pact just because Nicky was in jail, they deserved to get snitched, cus they broke the pact cus they thought he couldn’t do ntuhin…then he did the worst thing he could’ve done and made shit easier for himself so..I guess its Karma

  • P

    ^^^I just read that and it sounds illiterate as fuck but yea…I said what I had to say

  • http://xxlmag.com DC’s Finest

    Instead of “stop snitching” tees
    there should b “stop bitching” tees. These comments are so ignorant and dumb. Niggas talkin bout “u should neva snitch”. Snitch if u feel it will help u,… somehow….

  • thoreauly77

    “stop snitching” is a fucking joke. okay, i can see if you are working with someone and you see them snag a steak or something, you don’t snitch, but if the same guy is selling crank out of the back of the restaurant, you should rat that motherfucker out:
    1. for selling poison to people
    2. for being a fucking retard

    i don’t give a fuck. anyone that sells toxic drugs deserves to be busted. i personally have never narked anyone out, but believe you me if ever god forbid my daughter has some fucked up drug on her when she grows up and i found out who it is, the first thing i am going to do after i beat him til he shits his pants, is turn that piece of shit in to the polig.

    “stop snitching” is a dumbass ignorant “movement” started and perpetuated by dumbass ignoramuses, incapable of critical thinking. is this something you want to associate yourself with?

  • BIGNAT

    I WOULD NEVER HAVE TO WORRYING ABOUT LIFE IN JAIL. IF I AM DOING SHIT THAT GRIMEY MY MOTTO IS. YOU CAN’T CATCH ME GOTTA KILL ME GOING OUT IN A HAIL OF GUN FIRE

  • dameSTATii

    Does “Bignat” mean ignant? B/C that’s defly how you come across. The only hail you see is during an ice storm buddy.

  • Dr Flav

    Fuck the grammar P, I cosign your post and TPAR’s, but I do believe the cheating made accepting the deal easier, considering they probably tried to make him roll over before then. There no loyalty, I know a guy (ahem) so called best friend snaked the shit out of him. He took charges (no bail, getback money or just got out party offered) for them, put his life, home and freedom @ risk frequently, only to have the friend spoon feed him, ballerblock him, do business with his former clients turned enemies and then bail out on him @ one of the worst times of his life. As much as he wants revenge he will not dishonor the code for his own pride, but dude left him fucked up after all the loyalty and guap he helped him make.

  • Keep It 100!

    That go out in a hail of gun fire shit is real cool sounding and it might make a good rap song big nat but come on man think about it. Jail time with a chance of gettin a fire as lawyer and gettin out or dying. you not even leaving a chance for the dumb as police to fuck up and plant a bloody glove or some shit. I mean I live by death before dishonor but ain’t no honor in getting iced by da police.

  • Keep It 100!

    Don’t mean to sound green but i heard dat on mims song. Wat the fuck is a guap? Help me out.

  • http://yahoo.com Hilbert Humperdink

    Hey bol boooooooooooooooooooo!

  • John Cochran

    We all know black people cant stay unified. It’s just not in us, how you think slavery and the conflict diamond thing was even allowed to happen. Some nigga got the bright idea to sell his peoples out. Everything aint the white man fault. Look at enron. It shouldda been dozens of crackers going down, but instead it was just a couple. I would never plot a scheme with no one but myself. 1

  • http://yahoo.com Milk and Beans

    Beans for pres milk for vice prez hey bol boooooooooooooooooo!

  • these posts are racist

    Dr Flav,

    I co-sign that…

  • mannyworld33

    revenge is a dish best served cold!
    good post toilet bol!

  • $$EAZY_MONEY$$

    not in the life, but he is less gangster to me for telling just because his WIFE was unfaithful. should have got her killed. nino brown is based on barnes but the idea for the carter is based on the chamber bros who had a apt bldg like it setup in detroit. according to american gangster…

  • Joseph Tegano

    Bol your a bitch, hit the celly so i can shit in ur ear (612) 203 – 6829

  • Joseph Tegano

    (613) 203-6829

  • Washington

    Hell yeah he did the right thing. Snitch on a bitch, I’m going to get a tattoo of that.

  • Homie N

    not sayin wat he did was rite but u cant say ur sum1′s friend n then fuck his wife wen he gets locked up, thats fucked up, the wife is a hoe 2, this was just an eye 4 an eye, n stop all the bullshit about bein gangsta u all kno none of u r thugs n then u come here bein hypicritical n actin like u wud of done anything different

  • GI JOE FROM H TOWN

    YOU’RE ALL WRONG BITCHES!!
    NEW JACK CITY WAS BASED ON “NEW YORK’S FINEST”… CURTIS JACKSON!!!!
    AHHH HA HA…

  • http://yahoo.com Milk and Beans

    HEY BOL BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

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    swapmeet willy is the man and im here to lay the hand

  • Malcolm X

    He was a sucka for that stunt. He married the slut I’m pretty sure he known she was a slut before he wifed her. He should have just got everybody murked. He wanted to snitch all along bc he let everybody live.
    618 stand up

  • stoneyisland

    let me keep this shit as real as possible, the only persons I would go to jail for is my wife and son. I wouldnt serve one day in jail for nobody except them. All this snitching bullshit is just that, bullshit. If u living that street life, then live it but for all of us cats who work real jobs 9 to 5 with benefits, I aint fucking that up for no homeboy, sidekick, #1 homey, nobody. You uneducated muthafuckas may call it snitching but in reality it’s called self preservation, it’s in each mans and womans DNA to protect their lives above all other. That said I am not in the business of helping police solve crimes, they get paid to do so they need to do there damn jobs, I try to live my life in peace and the folk I runs with live their lives in peace so I aint worried about getting caught up in any shit, we dont sell drugs, we dont shot muthafuckas, we mind our own business and we walk in peace. Some of you try it.

  • House Negro

    I read the book and I highly recommend it. Not only did Guy sleep with his wife but they apparently ran the organization in the ground and didn’t take care of his peeps while he was locked up. If all that he says is true I don’t believe that he was wrong. When he started snitching he did not have a reasonable expectation of parole.

  • EReal

    @thoreauly77

    The stop snitchin ‘movement’ is not aimed at civilians. Yall can do what you want because you’re civilians.
    Its aimed at other criminals who get into the game knowing the stakes and knowing full well the consequences and then when they have to pay those consequences, they turn around and take down their friends because they’re too bitch to do the time they earned for their crimes and being stupid / unlucky enough to get busted. In that regard I support it, but street cats are sposed to be soldiers.. civilians arent included in that ‘movement’ or w/e
    Just Background…

  • http://www.xxlmag.com/?p=8752 Jay

    i understand this phrase no snitchin is the streets code but ill say this shit.. if im in a situation where i had nothing to do with it and im lookin at posible jail time u better belive im not gettin locked up for no motha fucka.. now if i was in the situation or the situation revolves family n my boy then ill do my time..

    ima say this if ur involved knowin what kinda risk ur goin at u better do ur time w.o tellin shit bec thats ur fuckin fault but if ur not involved n get dragged into it and its serious shit. start singin like usher gettin head from supahead while in the stuido

  • Avenger

    stop snitching” is a dumbass ignorant “movement” started and perpetuated by dumbass ignoramuses, incapable of critical thinking. is this something you want to associate yourself with?

    True TRUE TRUE thank you and co sign to the above

    Also what kinda homos created that bros over hoes shit and if you are such an ass you wife a hoe. you deserve what you get (can’t make a hoe a house wife).
    This street code shit is the dumbest crock of shit I ever heard created by fucks who live in what I call the hollywood ghetto of the mind. In real life if me and you are in these streets and I do dirt I need to do it by my lonely as to involve as few a people as possible and if you sell death to people in the name of eating you a stupid piece of shit and deserve what ever form of fuckery that comes with it. The only code the street has is survive at any cost and if you build a family with somebody not just some chick you fucking with but I mean you are really married to someone one you got to let the bros take a walk unless you are one of those mythical down low bros fucking his homies. nullus you weezy F Baby lovers urrghh no cameron

  • Josh

    No Snitching Mon & Thurs 9:30 A.M. to 11 A.M.

  • RAY

    YOU fuck my wife while i go awawy…i will by all means possible hurt you in the worse way.

  • Wanna Smash Your Wife

    RAY Says:

    March 31st, 2007 at 4:21 pm
    YOU fuck my wife while i go awawy…i will by all means possible hurt you in the worse way.

    Hey Ray ,
    what if your wife fux me? Lemme guess you’re gonna kill me and tell her how much you loved her right?…suckas 4 luv ass trick!

    in the words of the Great Southern Poet Willie Dee

    “you gotta let a hoe be a hoe”

  • Jerz!

    Anyone who says he shouldn’t have snitched is a joke because they couldn’t possibly fathom what dudes life was like, and could never come close to emulating the shit that he was capable of. Not saying those were good things, lol, but still.

  • Hoodsavior

    the rule was dont sleep wit each others woman…all the pussy in new york and this nigga had to sleep wit nickys wife…if that was the code of the crew the dude shoulda known better…now nicky rattin on THE ENTIRE crew was like damn…but how can you half snitch??…i dont know if he was gonna do all the time…but nobody will never know…

  • nicsupreme

    forget that snitching rule! I myself thinks its a dumb rule, its like if you see someone get murdered and you not going call the authority to look for that person who done it. Many people in the hood keep on forgetting that we all live in a civilized society. Let me see the reward money! I bet; I’ll snitch.

  • jrjomo

    If you lay with bitches you get fleas. These dudes were caked-up and all they had to do is, do business as usual, and find another hoe to bang out of the millions in NYC. Anyway, when you live that life that’s the chance you take and when the shit hits the fan, tough break. But he’s a snitch and he should have snitched, why continue to be loyal to people not loyal to you.

    You need to write an article on what snitching is. These dumb asses these days calls anyone that talks to the police about anything a snitch and that’s just not the case.

  • Alexis

    #
    thoreauly77 Says:

    March 29th, 2007 at 4:32 pm

    “stop snitching” is a fucking joke. okay, i can see if you are working with someone and you see them snag a steak or something, you don’t snitch, but if the same guy is selling crank out of the back of the restaurant, you should rat that motherfucker out:
    1. for selling poison to people
    2. for being a fucking retard

    i don’t give a fuck. anyone that sells toxic drugs deserves to be busted. i personally have never narked anyone out, but believe you me if ever god forbid my daughter has some fucked up drug on her when she grows up and i found out who it is, the first thing i am going to do after i beat him til he shits his pants, is turn that piece of shit in to the polig.

    “stop snitching” is a dumbass ignorant “movement” started and perpetuated by dumbass ignoramuses, incapable of critical thinking. is this something you want to associate yourself with?
    —————————————

    Preach!

  • rj

    bol, you’re slipping, I thought you be on American Gangster, which pretty much sums up Nicky Barnes (who every rapper in the 90′s shouted out, if they were from New York). His circle of dealers had an agreement, which included not banging the others girl, even in the event of incarceration. He was just following rules of the agreement, when the contract was broken.

  • JACOB

    IF ME AND YOU ROB A BANK…2GETHER, SELL DRUGS…2GETHER, JACKS CARS 2GETHER…I AIN’T TELLING ON YA PARTNER…BUT IF YOU GO AND LETS SAY…SLAP A KID, PUNCH A 95 YR OLD WOMAN AND SNATCH HER PURSE…I’M TELLING ON YOUR PUNK ASS!!!

  • A Fuckin GENIUS

    Well as somebody said there is a MAN code “NOT TO FUCK MY BITCH WITHOUT MY PERMISSION” on the other hand “STOP SNITCHIN” right. FUCK that Nick was sittin in the bing while his bitch and nighas he’s fed and clothed gave a roof to sleep under are Shittin on him. I personally can dig him. Now he can make a better movie and book. and since he broke a code somewhere put some change on the books.

  • beatz23

    You can’t say for sure that Nicky Barnes could’ve had them knocked from jail. Remember: He was a dealer not a gangster.