MTV Has Never Cared About Hip-Hop

I need to apologize to everyone that has come here to my blog in order to find the higher level of Hip-Hop that I promised. I have been highlighting our differences instead of finding the threads that pull us together. Despite our regional diversity and our own personal favorites we all love Hip-Hop. We love it enough to get into heated dialogue in these comments sections. At the end of the day, what has that gotten us? The corporate forces that have been undermining the culture are hard at work while we trade insults on these posts. If we don’t come together for something real Hip-Hop will be our generations jazz or blues music. It will be as relevant to our children as our parent’s music was relevant to us. Are you ready to represent for rap music’s fate.

Music fucking TeleVision has been one of the most egregious cultural hustlers when it comes to Hip-Hop. They threw rap music under the bus when they cancelled ‘Yo! Raps’ then only to give the fans the bastardized ‘Direct Effect’. MTV and their parent company Viacom are the main reasons we see and hear no diversity in rap music. These fools are strangling the game right in front of our eyes, literally in front of our eyes. MTV never loved or respected the culture. Hip-Hop always had step-child status except when there were some ratings to secure. Then we’d see shit like Hip-Hop week and the MTV list of the top ten greatest rappers. For a few hours on Sunday they give you their ‘Sucker Free’ programming. The truth is that they have been playing us like suckers. And I’m not gonna take this shit anymore. Music fucking TeleVision is trying to rewrite the legacy of Hip-Hop in their image by creating the list of the top ten Hip-Hop groups of all time. It’s time for us to tell MTV to “Fuck yo’ couch! And fuck yo’ remote control. And fuck yo’ top ten lists” since those humps don’t love Hip-Hop anyway.

Look at the list they’ve started…

10. UGK
9. Fugees
8. Salt ‘N Pepa
7. EPMD
6. A Tribe Called Quest
5. Wu-Tang Clan
4. Outkast
3. Public Enemy
2. N.W.A
1. Run-DMC


Do you people agree with this shit? Hell to the no! There is no way Public Enemy and the Wu aren’t #1 and #2. Where is 2 Live Crew? Where is De La Soul? Where are the motherfucking Beastie Boys?!?!

I just shut down the comments section here on this blog. Don’t leave a comment here. You are killing Hip-Hop if you try to leave a comment here. I need you to go to your favorite blogger, be that Byron Crawford, or Eskay or Sickamore, whoever, and tell them that this bullshit being perpetrated by Music fucking Television has to stop right here. If you’re ready to take your voice from this comments section and put it in the face of the corporate beast that has been raping rap music for all of its energy and substance then here is what we will do…

Until they show Hip-Hop the respect that it deserves we will no longer consume their bullshit. And to keep shit extra funky holler at these people right here for producing all of these top ten lists.

The MTV Hip-Hop Brain Trust

Tell them that they are part of the corporate machine that is stealing away the legacy of Hip-Hop and let them know we won’t accept their shit anymore.

I’ve had enough of being divided about Hip-Hop. The arguments have been senseless and irrelevant and while I perpetuated them the corporations came in and stole Hip-Hop away right in front of my very eyes. I again apologize to all my readers who had been promised Hip-Hop on a higher level from my blog. Today is the day that we emancipate our music from corporate slavery. Spread the word. Tell Music fucking TeleVision to respect our music, our art and our culture, or get the hell away from it.

One Hundred.

  • LOC

    bout time

  • Boola Bless

    Yea, Wu shoulda been #1 and how the hell the Fugees get on there? I know they sold a gazillion records for the Score but what have they done outside of that?

  • Airjordan

    SOOOOOOOOOOOO is Hip Hop Dead or what? IT’s Dead Bitch

  • Port_o_Prince

    …OK I FEEL YA BUT THE GROUPS LISTED HERE ARE ALL GREAT GROUPS WHO U GONNA TAKE OUT? U BETTER NO SAY UGK THEY LEGENDS IN THE GAME THEY MAY NOT HAVE BEEN COMMERCIAL BUT THESE CATS BEEN OUT SINCE LIKE ’92 AND THESE CATS GET LOVE + REPSECT DOWN HERE THAT OTHER GROUPS SHOULD ENVY. U GOTTA THROW BEASTIE BOYS IN THERE THO I AGREE. BTW WASSUP WHERE’S GOODIE MOB? DE LA?2 LIVE CREW I DUNNO BOUT THEM THO I GREW UP IN MIA THEY WAS BIG BACK WHEN I WAS YOUNG BUT I DUNNO IF THEY FIT IN THIS CATEGORY

  • Sam

    The funniest comment ever here would be, WHERE THE FUCK IS G-UNIT???

    But yeah, fuck MTV, especially the european version (I live in Europe), and all they fucking show is Akon shit and pop.

  • http://misterchane.blogspot.com darrellchane

    thank you for writing that, Mr Sunday

    I’d go further and say disengage from viewing BET to boot, as it is now an official step-sibling of MTV under the roof of Viacom.

  • rec

    Geto Boyz > UGK…That’s just me though

  • MIAMI NIGGA

    MTV was always full of shit. And yes its because of their programming, thats how they are killing the culture. For example, everyone outside of the south think we listen to snap and crunk music allday. Thats bullshit, that music is only for the club. But if thats all you see then it blurrs your vision of whats going on. I dont know 1 nigga, NOT 1, who has D4L or Franchise Boys cd. But they get heavy rotation when they drop a single. Its bullshit.

    Then in response we have people from other regions criticizing us and we have no just but to defend it because it feels like a personal shot at you and where you’re from. If niggas like Killer Mike & LB were getting airplay niggas wouldn’t be saying the south is kiling hiphop. Its all about balancing the game. Some people like to stunt, some like lyrics and food for thought, some like it gansta, some like to dance. But these networks have it watered down. Its a shame. LETS TAKE OUR CULTURE BACK. NORTH,SOUTH, EAST AND WEST

  • Malik C.

    Okay, how about you list all the criteria needed before we make a top ten list. Are we just going by strictly lyrical ability? What about how diverse they are? Sales and longevity? If you only focus on one of those each all the lists will be dramatically different. I love going back and listening to some Run DMC but they are nowhere near as good lyrically as anyone today because of the era they were in. We need to focus on all angles to make a real top ten greatest instead of the usual circle jerk of2Pac, Jay-Z, Nas, etc.

  • thoreauly77

    this list is not to be taken seriously without de la soul, period. de la has been putting out (consistently) excellent and CLASSIC records (de la soul is dead, stakes is high) since 1989, and are STILL together. in light of groups breaking up over some stupid shit(tribe, NWA, fugees, epmd), i think its important to factor in de la’s level of dedication to their art, and their group. we all know that MTV is zee deviil; for jesus-jumpin-on-a-pogo-stick-christ, this is eMpTv we’re talking about, who has never displayed any respect for hip-hop and likely never will. its sick and sad that we have to rely on “video hits one” to bring us hip-hop themed programming, such as the modern-day minstrel show that is “flavor of love”, to the proverbial cookie-crumb toss called “hip-hop honors”.

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  • MIAMI NIGGA

    I agree Fugees were ill damn they only made 1 album. De La Soul, The Geto Boys, The Goodie Mob all deserve it over the Fugees. No disrespect but 1 album cant cut

  • http://dahshyt.blogspot.com Belize

    Good shyt, but you gotta remember,some of ur readers are tinyboppers. U cant give em’ too much truth, cuz they’ll get scurred.

    Take it slow on the yunginz playa

  • http://brandonsoderberg.blogspot.com brandonsoderberg

    Wait-
    What is even wrong with this list? Two groups aren’t ranked higher? Seriously, you could expect WAY worse from MTV (No Eminem for example, I would have expected that, maybe even 50 cent).

    For MTV, I’d say this list isn’t that bad…find something real to write about, come on.

  • Dr Flav

    Grandmaster Flash And The Furious Five. That being said fuck your self boosting crusade, you aint no Malcolm X type, ole suck ass, trick ass, nigga.

  • content

    You’re a funny dude thinking you can spark a movement on here. From the comments I’ve read nobody takes you seriously, myself included.

    Practice your craft.

  • jimmy t

    where the fuck are the geto boys

  • blute

    Who gives a fuck about MTV anyway? You still sound like an old loser that doesn’t get it. And everybody knows Outkast is #1 I don’t care where you’re from.

  • Port_o_Prince

    I agree Fugees were ill damn they only made 1 album. De La Soul, The Geto Boys, The Goodie Mob all deserve it over the Fugees. No disrespect but 1 album cant cut
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    ACTUALLY FUGEES HAD 2 ALBUMS THE FIRST 1 DIDNT GET THAT MUCH COMMERCIAL RECOGNITION BUT IT WAS TIGHT. ALSO WASSUP WITH BONE THUG HARMONY? AND CANT FORGET GETO BOYS????

  • Josh

    Give me a break. What? Did you just get layed off from MTV or something?

    All top 10 lists are subjective. I guarantee that every XXL blogger would have a different top 10 groups list.

    Wu-Tang is my #1 too, but Run DMC is probably the most relevant group ever. And NWA changed the game.

    BDP is technically a group. As is Eric B and Rakim and Gangstarr. I’d put them all there, but I’m sure other people wouldn’t. And I bet mad people would put LOX and Mobb Deep on there…Great groups, but top 10?

    If you’re gonna complain, complain about XXL’s Top 10 Biggie lists. They don’t list One More Chance, Big Poppa, Just Playin or Get Money amongst his best songs ever. While they were all commercial songs, to me, they all were better than Hypnotize (XXL’s #1 WTF??) and Mo Money Mo Problemz (XXL’s #2 on the collab list). Those were the worst two songs on Life After Death (but for Playa Hata – which was just funny). And no Dead Wrong??? The only good posthumous song Puff made…

    Party & Bullshit #8???? Give me a break. That song was just OK.

    Who Shot Ya should be #1.

    Who cares about MTV

  • Incilin

    I’m with ya on this, but where should we fling our dsigust? The link you provided isn’t a email or nothing.

  • Fernando

    Where is 8ball & MJG??????????

    Salt-n-pepa is crap.

    Fugees only had 1 real album. That cant qualify in any contest.

    Replace the former two with De La, Beasties, Geto Boyz, Ball & G, Digital Underground. Thats tough though. Not enough spots.

  • MIAMI NIGGA

    @PORT_O_PRINCE

    Your’e right I forgot about the Fugees first album. Damn its been a long time

  • MIAMI NIGGA

    BDP is technically a group. As is Eric B and Rakim and Gangstarr. I’d put them all there, but I’m sure other people wouldn’t.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    The people making the list said that they would not consider groups with a DJ and Emcee. They said it had to be at least 2 MC’s, so those groups were not considered.

  • Diggy

    Is this kid serious?? Who is this corn?? When lists are made, they are not the end all be all. They’re just a matter of opinion.
    And since when did it become “MTVs” opinion??? It’s the opinion of those dudes on the panel. Jesus Christ what’s wrong with this dude???

    you prolly really DID just get laid off from MTV (Shouts to Josh)

  • John Brown

    “And I’m not gonna take this shit anymore.”

    “It’s time for us to tell MTV to “Fuck yo’ couch! And fuck yo’ remote control. And fuck yo’ top ten lists” since those humps don’t love Hip-Hop anyway.”
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    WOW!!! I was actually surprise to read a blog that you wrote that wasnt ignorant. I do agree with you about MTV shoving crap down our throat (no homo) but come on is MTV a multi-billion company (if not multi-million) that has the music video game on lock. There is no competition for MTV. I mean the labels wont go against them and if they do how will artist get promotion. My suggestion is that XM & Sirius make a video music channel and keep it real hip-hop. But as far as anyones and everyones top 10 every list will be different. I dont have no top 10 for nothing, I just enjoyed every type of music that is good enough to listen to. My favorite group of all time is Outkast and Wu but that doesnt mean I think they are without a shout #1.

    Oh is good that you wrote a blog and didnt take a shot at the south.

    HALLELUJAH…HOLLA BACK

  • http://www.myspace.com/kracktheking KR

    Man, ain’t that what Hip-Hop is about? Heated discussion and debates about who’s the best? That list doesn’t match my list either, but I mean at least check the videos of them picking the groups. Everyone is going to have a different Top 10. Wu-Tang aint #1 or #2 in my eyes, but it ain’t like they aren’t one of the greatest groups of all time. I mean, come on homie…

  • sobo$$y

    John Brown wha up. You know u was robbed the title, yo

  • sk

    huh @ the dude who said and some of these groups broke up over stupid shit. So MONEY is stupid. So what the fuck ya’ll would take out RUN-DMC. That’s blasphemy as far as I’m concerned. Making these/those lists is like choosing an all-star team in the NBA in the 80′s/90′s shit even now espcially on the West,whoever u leave out is deserving of being on that list/team. And somebody else who said what have the Fugees done r u serious fuck the music they have done so much for Haiti and other charities.

  • YOUNG STUNNA

    dipset should be #1 & g-unit #2

  • YOUNG STUNNA

    dipset should be #1 & g-unit #2

  • sk

    It’s just like there top ten mc’s list. Now I like Jay-Z but the #1 MC too me is Rakim cause man even now when I Listen 2 his shit it’s like I just be smh at how so much ahead of his time he was and some1 correct me if I’m wrong but I haven’t heard a curse In his rhymes. And XXL fix this comment shit already man this shit is getting annoying gotta come back in an hour an shit 2 see if shit posted.

  • Ace

    This list is garbage. Personally for me, Outkast is hot, but they aren’t #3 hot. I might put them at like fugees, who shouldn’t even be on the list, level. Regardless of that. The best groups of all time: BDP, Gang Starr, Eric B. And Rakim get no respect. What about De La? Beastie Boys? Paul’s Boutique is a modern-day rap masterpiece. The rationale about a group needing two MC’s is bullshit. In gang starr and eric b. and rakim, the dj is just as important if not more important than the second mc. Like, if I had to choose primo or wyclef, I’d choose primo without flinching. This list just goes into a long history of wack ass lists made by the music autocracy that is MTV. Let no one forget the 22 Greatest MC’s which didn’t even ACKNOWLEDGE Big Daddy Kane, a man praised by the #3 mc on that list EMINEM. I got two words for you: FUCK MTV!!!

  • freakzilla504

    U, are clearly a hater high off vapors from those piss filled hallways in those 80 projects in NY. Get a life you fagget.

  • Cuban Link

    i can think of 068458609446 groups that are WAAAAYYYY better than UGK.

    FUCK THESE COMMENTORS ON XXL, FUCK DR FLAV, FUCK MTV, FUCK VH1, FUCK BET, FUCK THAT HOMO LIST OF GREATEST RAPPERS, FUCK UGK, FUCK PIMP C AND BUN BS SOLO CAREERS, FUCK THESE SOUTHERN HICK DANCERS, FUCK NY RAPPERS JACKING THAT WHACK ASS STYLE, FUCK HYPHY FOR RECREATING A DIEING CRUNK, FUCK CRUNK, FUCK SNAP MUSIC, FUCK PEOPLE WHO DONT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT HIP HOP, FUCK PEOPLE SCREWING WITH THE CULTURE, FUCK THE TIS OVER AT THESE STATIONS RUINING LIFE, FUCK THE MUSIC INDUSTRY, FUCK MC SERCH FOR MAKING SHAMROCK WIN (what up John Brown?), AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, FUCK THE MUSIC THEY ARE SHOVING DOWN OUR THROATS.

  • Cuban Link

    how can Boogie Down Productions not be there?The Roots?ANd all of the following arent one of the top ten best rap groups, but they are better than UGK:

    Onyx
    The Firm
    D12
    Bone Thugs N Harmony
    D.I.T.C.
    Mobb Deep
    Dilated Peoples
    De La Soul (DEFIANTLY should be up there)
    FREESTYLE FELLOWSHIP(1 of the best groups ever, Prject Blowed 4 Life)
    GANGSTARR??
    Jedi Mind Tricks/AOTP
    And A shitload of underground MCs.

  • thoreauly77

    SK- yes. stupid shit. in nearly all of the subsequent interviews with the artists from these broken up groups, they express regret for their collective actions, hence all of the reunion shows/tours. so yes, breaking up your group and your relationship with your best friends is some stupid shit, especially if its because of money.

  • MIAMI NIGGA

    CELLAR DWELLARS

  • Thalik Kid

    HA! this is what yall get! People dont realize that WE created the monster;hip hop will never win,when hip hop was underground,we thought it should get some shine on MTV and now hip hop is basically Urban Pop, its sold out and not keeping it real.Wake up and realize that MTV caters to the Luguna Beach/TRL audience and they want that safe HIP HOP, not RAP(yes there is a difference).Its a cycle a unfortunate noone will ever be satisfied.

  • jacquez
  • sk

    @ THOREAULY77- so they should keep on getting jerked. I believed we all seen Cube made the right choice as well as Dre a few years later. And u must not like MONEY. So I Guess u don’t work and ur at the library online.

  • sk

    oh yeah young fronta shut the fuck up

  • sk

    Shit what interviews I haven’t seen one where Cube said he regretted leaving I recall him saying ” he would have stayed if they would have just cut him his check” that’s not regret. And when was this renunion N.W.A. tour and the others your talking/typing bout. THEY NEVER HAPPENED.

  • sk

    Oh I forgot go tell that 2 MC Hammer, he wouldn’t have when bankrupt if he didn’t try 2 help all his “friends” with his say it with me “MONEY”.

  • http://www.myspace.com/poisonousdarthfc Poisonous Dart

    Interesting, Sunday. You saw that people weren’t feeling your blogs and you were alienating more people than you’d like to. You were fighting a losing battle (being Bol Jr. that is..) and needed a way out so you decided to switch your style up…I’ll reserve my judgement until I see how long this new phase of yours lasts.

    One.

  • http://xxlmag.com Billy X. Sunday

    Incilin,
    Due to office politics I had to remove the MTV staffers personal e-mails from the drop, but you can get at them by using that master list at the link I posted and sending an e-mail to firstname dot lastname @mtvstaff.com

    I did and they will reply to you in much the inane way that most of the readers here post commentary. It’s only fun if pissing in the wind is your idea of a water sport.

    The Official Billy Sunday Top 10 list

    1. P.E.
    2. The Wu Collective
    3. EPMD (like the Wu with less members)
    4. 2 Live Crew (Luke made millions without ever being on radio)
    5. OutKast (D.F. + Goodie Mob proving that southern Hip-Hop USED to have flavor)
    6. De La Soul (allowed all kids from the suburbs that were Black or white a lane into Hip-Hop)
    7. Beasties
    8. The Cold Crush (everybody in the game owe these niggas residuals)
    9. N.W.A. (the Insane Clown Posse of Hip-Hop – Blacks in blackface)
    10. Roots Crew (the most important group in Hip-Hop right now because their musicianship makes every artist relevant)

    Fuck Yo’ Couch! Fuck Yo’ Remote! Fuck an M motherfucking TV!

  • TS

    lol@”Hell to the no!” always funny how loving Wu and Public Enemy seems to be a commandment for “tru-skool” heads.

    MTV, like everything else is gonna promote stuff that’s commercially viable, which plenty of “ideal” or “true” rap artists have made no attempt to be. ya rant and rave about the evil corporate machine and it ain’t gonna help anything.

    these posts are like Bol minus the humor.

  • thoreauly77

    SK-

    actually i work two jobs, am currently finishing my bachelors degree, and have a daughter. what i am saying is that friendship is more important than money. if you dont agree, thats a fine, ultimately very lonely opinion, and yours to have.

  • thoreauly77

    yeah youre totally right. dre never expressed regret for his falling out with eazy, the fugees never got back together on block party, and tribe didnt just do reunion shows. i guess my opinion is completely invalid. thanks for pointing that out because i guess i didnt “see” any of that happen. or read about it, or hear it on chronic 2000. my bad homie.

  • http://xxlmag.com Billy X. Sunday

    TS,
    Real talk is that rants and raves like mine have no direct effect (pun wholly intended) when presented to cowards who are all to ready to cede control of their lives to corporate slaveholders.

    People like yourself.

    Instead you should do Hip-Hop and the Earth a favor by removing your carbon footprint from the planet. Go kill yourself.

  • YOUNG STUNNA

    aside from jay & em i think your right mtv dont care about hip hop.

  • TS

    lol, seriously who is this kid?

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  • content

    >lol, seriously who is this kid?

    a thin skinned, homeless man they picked up on the information highway.

  • http://hiphopisntdead.blogspot.com MAX

    I’m surprised they even bothered to include A Tribe Called Quest, but that just seems like a cry out to critics: “See, we like hip hop that’s all about positivity, too!”, just to make up for the inclusion of NWA (to which there’s no argument).

    And the UGK nod (I like them but they aren’t even close to the best rap group) is just a tip of the hat to the South, on some “We keep up with current trends” bullshit.

    And yes, they included the undeserving Fugees on their stupid list, but who really cares? This is the channel that brought us Laguna Beach and The Real World. Of course they don’t give a fuck about hip hop.

    At best, maybe the ten acts listed here may see a small spike in sales like they deserve (except the Fugees, as they’ve already sold four hundred gazillion copies of their only good album).

    http://hiphopisntdead.blogspot.com (check it out for more constructive criticism)

  • Rizzop

    “Instead you should do Hip-Hop and the Earth a favor by removing your carbon footprint from the planet. Go kill yourself”——-Co-sign! Niggas hating too much, stick to the script!

    gotta add the lox. All three niggas can rhyme but havent jad proper shine!

    Mobb Deep- created their own lane in the Biggie, Wu tang era….and have been more consistant in releasing material (fuck what you heard, you aitn gonna be 19 forever rapping about the same shit.) And ya’ll get rap “beef” confused with real beef.

    And its a damn shame the left off the cold crush!!!

    oh fuck MTV (I call it WTV)

  • Rizzop

    Its sad when people get so dumbed down they dont care how much bullshit is shoved in their faces (MTV,BET)

  • zacreole

    Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? No Black Eyed Peas? No Young Black Teenagers? No Crime Mob? No D4L? No Funky Bunch? No PM Dawn? No Too Down (Ballin After Dark)? no N2Deep? No MADE MEN? The Injustice. I’m gon’ get my Ouija board & call Johnnie Cochran on they asses.

  • http://aol.com Jlew911

    In all honesty, that list isn’t too bad though. They mentioned some of the right folks as far as I’m concerned. I wouldn’t include the fuguees in my personal top ten. Wu ought to be #1 no doubt.

  • Dr Flav

    Back @ You Cuban Link. Lol @ Niggas not givin a fuck about Cold Crush until Hova said something. Whodini, UTFO, NAUGHTY BY NATURE…

  • mr 10akey

    for the first time i actually agree wit his blog that shits real no joke
    oh and by the wat fuck CUBAN LINK(you one of dem that dont giva fuck about hip hop think about it)

  • Cuban Link

    co-sign mostly to Sundays list.Orders a lil off but its w/e

  • John Brown

    Man, Billy Bolday is actually keepin it real for once. Yo, Billy we the people would like to read more post like this. Hope you dont switch your style up (no fat joe) and play us like fools.

    sobo$$y I know I was robbed but hey they tring not to “REVIVE” the “GHETTO”

    Cuban Link sorry, I agree with you list of left out groups but there is no way in hell that D-12 or the Firm (flop) should be on the list and take out UGK. Go and cop “Ridin’ Dirty”. B.T.N.H should be there though in my opinion they did a lot for hiphop in the 90′s. What bout DPG I believe they should be there, thats just my opinions. And even though I dont agree with Salt-n-Pepa being on the top 10, they did alot for hip-hop when they drop albums. I think salt-n-pepa allowed and introduce a lot of females to hip-hop. The only way that that everyone will be satisfy is if they do a top 10 best group for every region.

    HALLELUJAH…HOLLA BACK

  • Hurricane Game

    I never thought id say this but Billys Post was GOOD today.

  • Cuban Link

    Lol maybe i took my post/hating a little far……

    FUCK IT any list that doesnt include Freestyle Fellowship should be burned

    Cubano Link’s Top Ten

    10.Gangstarr
    9.BTNH
    8.Outkast
    7.D.I.T.C.
    6.The Roots
    5.De La Soul
    4.GMF & The Furious 5
    3.Wu-Tang Clan
    2.Freestyle Fellowship
    1.Public Enemy

    last 3 are defiantly the best but their order is pretty hard.

  • My Effin’ Opinion

    It takes a real man to apologize. Let’s hope it was genuine. Respect.

  • Cuban Link

    fuck nvm i forgot NWA and Boogie Down Productions thrown them in at 5 and six bump 2 peeps i dont no who tho i guess making the list isnt too easy huh?

  • trill fukin g

    fuck you fake ass cuban. didnt yo gay ass get fucking up the ass on your life raft over hear. didnt you anscesters sneek to the south first. OUTKAST IS THE ONLY GROUP WITH LONGEVITY that has been making hits after hits. OUTKAST IS THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME.You east coast niggas forgetting EPMD FLOPPED, WU FLOPPED, GANGSTAR wtf,PUBLIC ENEMY IS # 2. NWA #3 GETOBOYS #4 The roots #5 because i agree i love the musicanship. the rest of the list dont matter. NEW YORK IS DEAD. FUCK THE BORING ASS EAST COAST you cant relate to no where else because you to busy backpaking and wearing open toe sandals. HOMOS

  • Cuban Link

    and EPMD wow I suck (no homo)

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  • John Brown

    off subject. has anyone else checked out “Cams” HP video. that shit is hillarious.

    “im walking poodles now”…ha ha ha

    “if you got the first one you was smoking crack”….shit is hillarious check it out…

  • HipHopHead

    Run DMC and NWA affected tha game with more of an impact than Wu and Public Enemy bcuz they changed the culture. NWA brought gangsta rap full circle and Run DMC did just that for hiphop as a whole. “Check the Rhyme” u crumbs! LOL (Other than that MTV is rapin’ the culture)

  • sk

    @thoreauly77 -Dre expressed regret for the BEEF with Eazy(Dre Day) after learning/finding out Eazy died of aids not for leaving N.W.A. Get ya facts right “homie”. And where still waiting for the Fugees reunion album now and 1 show(Block Party) doesn’t make a reunion that’s called a performance.

  • thoreauly77

    SK-

    true. a performance, even reuniting for it doesnt really qualify i guess. and expressing remorse, acting like an adult about it, and attempting to rectify the situation probably has nothing to do with my initial point at all. let me cede to your omniscience; allow me to acquiesce to your amazing power of comprehension; i am obviously the fool here. were it not for your amazing ability to tell it like it is, all those of us that know what the fuck is really happening would be truly lost in the sauce.

    so, thank you for your insight and excellent reading ability. in my humble opinion, xxlmag should give you a blog so that you can school all of us scurrilous naysayers on the true essence of hip-hop.

    and by the way , you say , “we are” , not “where”. just an editorial tip, “homie”.

    truly, -thoreauly77

  • sk

    Oh u mad cause I stlyed on ya

  • stop bitchin

    is business homie and they trying to get a dollar so stop hatin. You always startin beef with people but how come you don’t go after xxl for puttin 50 and interscope on the cover every month. Stop hatin on someone trying to get that dollar you went after tom from the village voice now this and all you write is bullshit. Fuck you on the real homo ass nigga.

  • http://xxlmag.com Billy X. Sunday

    If SK was smart enough to be able to comprehend writing he would know that THOREAULY77 totally undressed his dumb ass in such a polysyllabic manner that SK would no longer comment on this thread.

    But alas, SK represents the intellectual presence that is typical for someone who listens to DFB.

  • sk

    first sunday r u in danger of losing ya job 2 comment on a back and forth between me and thoreaully77 or is your self-esteem that low?

    and for thoreaully77 I don’t write 4 or 5 drafts then add big words in them one take only. also 2 address your own posts. why do you have two jobs?? why are u finishing your bachelors?? let me answer for you MONEY and too get a better job that pays more MONEY. Oh by the way I didn’t catch feelings unlike yourself don’t be mad cause u got called on saying these groups broke up over “stupid” shit too wit MONEY wasn’t that stupid too them. Feel free too spellcheck for me cause I didn’t along with not having my dictionary with me as I typed/commented on this “thread” .

    sincerely- SK

  • nation

    Mr. Sunday

    i found someone who may, possibly be more hardbody than brandy

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/e1698.htm

  • nation

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/e1698.htm

    ^ laura bush is more harbody than brandy

  • thoreauly77

    anyhow, agree to disagree. i still think money is a stupid thing to break up over, but a necessary thing to buy groceries for your baby, so i see both sides. also, flattered you think i use a dictionary. no more arguing over the course of four days though because xxl’s comment section blows.

  • trill4life

    yall NY niggas kill me thinkin NY is the shit. Dont get me wrong yall are shit but not the shit. OUTKAST and WU are the greatest rap groups of all time. Outkast has more longevity then WU so therefore they would fall behind outkast due to sucess. CUBAN STINK im sure CASTRO isnt dead yet so dont make yourself known to much by getting on this site and talkin shit all the time. POINT BLANK if nobody heard of the groups you talkin about but you and some dudes in the EAST then no way they are the best of all time. Sorry dude its reality cuz me personally i think nobody can fucks with XMOB but im not going to say they top 10 cuz they underground. with that said CUBAN STINK AND SILLY SUNGAY if they made a top 10 list of NY groups that once was but never lasted then You can add all of your people you listed. EPMD didnt last long enough for major attention REDMAN outshined all of them. Everybody all over knew who red was he satyed on his grind doing movies solo career and shit. AS for the others they was doing they thing but just not living up to they name. THE reason I didnt include PE is because they would be classified in a whole different catagory along with NWA GETO BOYS, ETC. Dont hate MTV for stating the truth. WEST COAST have a lot of hot groups underground you dont hear them crying. SO shut the fuck up and dry out ya tampons. EAST COAST is full of pussy ass niggas. Yall remind me of my baby momma they way yall complain about every damn thing

  • trill4life

    o i forgot about RUNDMC they def in top 1 of all time.
    NObody had a more bigger impact on hip hop as a group than RUNDMC. So
    RUN DMC IS THE BEST
    you fuck boys

  • EReal

    THOREAULY77 > SK

    Co-Sign Sunday’s list.

    Nation, GTFOH, the Bush sisters are more hardbody than their mom. Foxy was movin on up the hardbody bracket lately, until she denied she was hardbody. Now she’s last in line.

    1 hunned.

  • WHITEBOY

    WTF ABOUT ERIC B. + RAKIM… OR SHORT LIVED BIG L, TALKIN LYRICAL ABILITIES, HOW BOUT THINKING OF ICONZ IN THE EARLY HIP HOP COMMUNITY, LIKE GRANDMASTER FLASH IS A MESH WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT MTV, NOT TO SAY I DONT LIKE TIMBO, BUT HE HAS CREATED THE NEW SLEEZE OF THE MTV WORLD BY INCORPORATING POP INTO HIP-POP WHICH GRIND MY MIND… NEVERTHELESS IF YOU UNDERSTAND THAT AS LONG AS PEOPLE ARE LOOKING MORE TOWARDS $$$ THEN THE MUSIC THIS WILL BR THE PRODUCT OF THE HIP-HOP INDUSTRY!

  • Cuban Link

    ^Wtf are u talking about?Its groups ya dumb fuck.

    trill4life Says:

    March 4th, 2007 at 11:51 pm
    yall NY niggas kill me thinkin NY is the shit. Dont get me I licked Paul Walls nuts wrong yall are shit but not the shit. OUTKAST and WU are the greatest rap groups of all time. I need to suck Lil Waynes dick after this then WU so therefore they would fall behind outkast due to sucess. CUBAN STINK im sure CASTRO isnt dead yet so dont make yourself known to much by getting on this site and talkin shit all the time. POINT BLANK if nobody heard of the groups you talkin about but you and some dudes in the EAST then no way they are the best of all time. Sorry dude its reality cuz me personally i think nobody can fucks with XMOB but im not going to say they top 10 cuz they underground. with that said CUBAN STINK AND SILLY SUNGAY if i love to suck donkey nuts, which I do add all of your people you listed. EPMD didnt last long enough for I love men REDMAN outshined all of them. Everybody all over knew who red was he satyed on his grind doing movies solo career and shit. AS for the others they was doing they thing but just I raped my brother last night. THE reason I didnt include PE is because they would be classified in a whole different catagory along with NWA GETO BOYS, ETC. Dont hate MTV for stating the truth. WEST COAST have a lot of hot groups underground you dont I love men. SO shut the fuck up and dry out ya tampons. EAST COAST is full of pussy ass niggas. Yall remind me of my baby father they way yall complain about every damn thing

    ^not to put ur whole post to shame…but Freestlye Fellowship is from LA, and BTNH are from Cleveland.DITC has to be up there, because almost all their members sololy contributed greatly to hip hop.Tell me the Roots, De La Soul, and the Fuious 5 arent on the top 10.Boogie Down Productions should be up there too.If u dont think Gangstarr are amazing, then fuck ur straw chewing horse riding farmer ass.Outkast u can get away with on being in the top 5 but no further than number 4.Theyre one of the best all around groups, but dont shine amazingly in any aspect of hip hop other than their creativity.I mean honestly when u think of Hip Hop, do u think of Outkast?My bad about Geto boys they should be up there too(what up bill!)

    Also Cubans>>>_____.Dont make me slap your hick ass with some watermelon and fried chicken.Also, fuck with our cigars bitch.I dare you.We’re so damn hood your not even allowed into our country.What up now bitch???

  • My Effin’ Opinion

    @ trill4life …

    People from NY are arrogant. Get over it.

    How do you expect people from the home of the birth of Hip Hop to not rep it to the fullest? There’s a saying Brooklyn .. “even when i’m wrong i’m right”

    I’m from NY and I respect and appreciate all types of hip hop (East, south, west, etc.), but you actin’ surprised that “niggaz from NY think ya’ll the shit”. C’mon .. first your generalizing and second, who the fuck doesn’t think there “the shit”

    I bet you if you walk up to any NBA player on the Boston Celtics and ask them what they think about their team, they’re gonna tell you “we the best” (and they are the worst team in the league). Or ask any Boxer what he thinks about his opponent and you’ll never hear him say “he’s the best, i’m just aaight”.

    If you have ever thought or conceded that you weren’t “the best” at everything you do, then you need to boost up your self-confidence up homey.

    Your reading too much into people reppin’ their city to the fullest. I think there are alotta great south and west groups that need to be on the list (more than East coast groups), but if you ask me about NY, imma tell you …

    “We the Best”

  • Cuban Link

    ^Thats my effin opinion too.

  • whitey

    WHERE IS BLACK EYED PEAS!!!!!

  • John Brown

    Hey did Billy get unplugged by YN because of this post? Its been days since he wrote this post. Another situation when “KEEPIN IT REAL…GOES WRONG.”

  • Cuban Link

    lmao @ the two haters both have trill in their name.That just solidies the fact that im right about everything Ive ever said throughout my whole life about anything.WHAT BITCH?!?!

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