JAY-Z Is The GRANT HILL Of The Rap Game

Just because I call myself an “Internets Celebrity” doesn’t make it the truth, even though it is the truth. And just because Jigga has called himself the Michael Jordan of recording doesn’t make it so either. If anything the comparison that I note is that Jay-Z used his rapping ability to help him become a pitchman for everything under the sun just like Michael Jordan used his basketball skills to make himself a valuable brand marketer, and that is where the similarities stop.

Michael Jordan was clearly far and away the best player in his peer group. You can’t make that same argument with Jay-Z. Can you. Jay-Z certainly wasn’t better than Notorious. Do you think we would still be talking about Jay-Z had he been killed before his second album was released? Even with the rappers from Jay’s peer group that are still alive you would be hard pressed to call him the best. He’s certainly not better than Nas, or Ghostface. Even younger rappers like Lil’ Wayne, T.I. and The Game are showing more skills than Jay.

Jay seems more appropriate to be the Grant Hill of rap. Jay’s best work was when he was younger and more energetic. Grant Hill was a great player when he was matched up with Bobby Hurley and later Allan Houston, but his skills were obviously eroded by the time he ended up in Orlando although he did have a hot R & B chick to call his broad. Grant Hill and Jay-Z both occupy semi-retired status in their respective professions. Grant Hill hasn’t played a full season on forever and Jay-Z infrequently releases cameo verses. You would never call Grant Hill the greatest of all time even though he had a pretty brawlic contract with Detroit. GRANT HILL hated being compared to Michael Jordan because he realized that he didn’t possess that amount of talent. Jay-Z isn’t as modest.

The most glaring contradiction that I see between Jay and Michael Jordan is the fact that Jay officially returned to rap music without a passion for still doing it. There’s no way M.J. would have come back to the Bulls or the Wizards without honoring the work ethic that made him the best player in the world in the first place. Can you even imagine Jordan getting on the court with a weak jumper? Rap music doesn’t require the same athleticism as basketball but you do need to show that you have stamina and the passion for the game if you want to win it all by the end of the fourth quarter.

And on that note, who was winning when the fourth quarter ended last year? I think I rest my case.

  • writebettershit

    hatin on hov to get your comments up? not a good look.

  • Whatever

    slow down tiger. FORMAT IT…

  • E AKA THE REAL NORIEAGA

    Hov’s a living legend and I’ll tell you why everybody wants to be Jay and Jay still alive

  • Damone

    Nigga, you’re the Grant Hill of blogs!

  • n.o.joe

    First?

  • n.o.joe

    in full agreement with E

  • J S-O-T

    who the fuck are you…?

  • J.R.O.

    You sayin’ Game, TI & Wayne are spittin’ better than Jay. I guess that’s somewhat true a lil’ (maybe) but they all young. That’s like comparing a young Kobe with an old Jordan. A young Young Hov was way better than these guys. Both, MJ & Jay shoulda stayed retired, tho’.

  • WhiteChoco

    Ballllliiinnnnn!

  • http://www.myspace.com/1silice Silice

    WHat the fuck you mean about who was winning last year. Yeah, T.I. had da most sales, but he came out in March while Jay came out in November. And now Jay in head of TIP. So stop with yall hating asses.

  • http://www.myspace.com/freshmakerodbeatz lukee lefty

    your theory is flawed but i know the game hate jay-z gets u attention posts and fame so congrats on that man

  • Dr Flav

    Congrats on the acquisition of this blog real estate Mr Sunday. I look forward to your perspective. This actually was a good analysis, there is a difference between criticism and hate, I see no hate here, sorry to the Hovettes.

  • thatwhitedude

    you speak the truth DP, and all the jay stan’s are too stupid/busy suckin hova dick to see it! E – not many people wanna be jay really, they just want jay money…and jro, what you said basically goes with DP’s argument, jay was only good while young, similar to grant hill, he was never THE BEST like MJ was and he def ain’t even quality now, so its NOT like comparin a young kobe to jordan, its like comparing a young kobe to grant hill! plus lil wayne isn’t that young considering how old he was when he started rappin, yall just don’t get DP’s whole argument, which makes PERFECT sense…what is the avg IQ on here, like 50?????

  • MESSIAH

    thank you

    not a jay-z dick-rider like 90% of the people who blog n post on here. never understood the hype around the dude. most of his shit is mediocre with a few great songs. lil wayne would kill jay (even a younger jay) in a battle.
    just my opinion tho.
    dont hate tho cuz i really dont give a fuck wat none of yall think.

  • Billy X. Sunday

    ^TWD,
    good looks on holding me down. Just because Jay-Z ain’t the best rapper of all time don’t mean he didn’t have Game (nullus).

    If you want to holler at your mans n them DP go check him at DP dot com. This is Billy Sunday over here and I got the block on lock my dude.

  • Cashus Clay

    Preach Jay makes a dope album like reasonable doubt but then put out shit thats wack He makes blueprint 2 which is dope and the he puts out blueprint 2 Jay is too inconsistent too be considered in the best and now in his old age he is putting up MJ stats not even MJ in washington stats he aint even puttinh up Grant Hill stats hes more like The Larry hughes of rap hes good but hasnt been hot in a minute

  • STL

    “Even younger rappers like Lil’ Wayne, T.I. and The Game are showing more skills than Jay.”

    I had to stop reading right there, I aint hating on these niggas or nothing but not one of these niggas ever showed more skills that Jay-Z. All these niggas got their style from Jay-Z. If you going to say they showing more skill than Jay-Z then you gotta give examples of how but you can’t because you’re just talking out your ass and filling in space.

    Get some new topics and actually come up with something with some concept other than “Jay-Z is not MJ he’s Grant Hill” theories and you might be worth reading, but until then this shit is worthless. AND trust me I’m not hating.

  • Belize

    >And on that note, who was winning when the fourth quarter ended last year?

    ^The same nigga that that did over 600K the 1st week…

  • STL

    I just read the rest and you said absolutely nothing. You didn’t say why Jay-Z was more like Grant Hill other they both were better when they were young and energetic, well Grant Hill’s best work was pre-injury and Jay-Z’s Black Album is better than anything your aformention “younger rappers with more skill” have ever put out.

    And then you end by saying “who was winning when the fourth quarter ended last year? I think I rest my case.” What are you saying, now you’re comparing by numbers after you were just using skill. Come on my dude I know they aint got you on here for nothing.

    When it all boils down to it Jay-Z is probably equal to Jordan in both their perspective fields because they are the face of the culture when it is seen outside the urban community and into the corporate offices. Meaning when somebody from an office looks at rap who doesn’t know much about it they think of Jay-Z, and not Nas or Ghostface. And when somebody from an office looks at basketball who doesn’t know much about it they think of Jordan, and not Grant Hill. And Im not a big Jay-Z fan and I know this.

    With that being said, step your game up. (no hate intended)

  • http://www.myspace.com/belizeanbway Belize

    On dat note:

    Biggie dyin early = Magic Retiring Early
    ———————————-
    Competitor that was nastier than him but just couldn’t pull it off:

    Barkley = Nas

    ———————————
    #1 SideKick aka “somebody double team that nigga!”

    Pippen = Beans

    *add to the fact that pippen and beans both wanted to eventually run the team aka Be bosses

    ———————————–

    Tippin point aka “Nigga im pissed”:

    Jordan vgettin cut from H.S. = Jay not gettin his deal till after his 1st album went wood

    ———————————-

    The breakup aka Death of a dynasty

    Jerry Krause = Dame Dash

    ———————————-

    Coach aka “that quiet nigga”

    Phil jack = Biggs

    ———————————–

    “Career killa aka “You made me do drugs

    Prodigy = Shawn Kemp

    ———————————–

    Apprentice aka “I wanted to be like u”

    Kobe = Lil’ Weezy

    ———————————–

    WTF? aka “I didnt see that coming”

    A.I. crossover = 50 Cent blowin up after Jay-Z “It’s Hot”

    ———————————–

    Road Block aka “We had a good team but we could never beat you”

    Dipset = New York Knicks

    * And yes, they were bullies but…”you need more people!”

    ———————————–

    Great Rivals that had to crumble for them to grab the throne:

    Death Row Records = Detroit Pistons

    ———————————–

    Weed Carrier

    B.J. Armstrong = Memphis Bleek

    ———————————–

    The new Enforcer

    Rodman = Tru Life

    *note: When Horace Grant aka Beans left, the Bulls…err..ROC..needed a new bully..enter Rodman aka Tru-Life..w/out the gay-spray hairdo

    ————————————

    AGE aka “Your gettin old”

    Jordan missing his dunk = Jay-Z’s änything”w/ pharell and his “mike trouble” at the jeezy concert

    ———————————

    and im done….i got Herb to burn, and henny to drink

    ONE!

  • Rizzop

    What if BIG was alive? What if, what if , what if……That is a pretty bad argument!The fact of the matter is jay-z has HANDS DOWN been the most sucesful rapper of our time. He has made songs for the hood and for the mainstream. What reason do people even get into the rap game for? To be successful, and get a message out to their people (positve or negative)He;; maybe some folks still do it just for the love of the art, though i doubt it. Say what you want to say about Kingdom come, but it was not the worst album that came out last year. Did anyone expect a 40 year old Jordan to be the same as he was at 25-26 of course not, so your cant expect jay to be the same. And if the man is so bad, why he still sell more than everybody?

  • Rizzop

    If the man wasnt the face of rap music, why would they let him run hip hops first label. Why would EVERY release he has be successful(reasonable doubt is a classic)And sorry to tell you, even BIG and PAC knew the nigga was nice. Please let me know who has been more successful that Shawn Carter in this hiop hop game? As far as lyrical skills, the nigga dont write down shit!! So even if you call lyrical skills into question, please let me know who has done it better over a longer period of time?

  • Billy X. Sunday

    First off…
    Belize, good lookin’ no Deadlee, you gave me a blog post for down the road prah’lee during NBA All-Star break.

    STL, you already proved my point in this forum. If a suit in the office thinks of Hip-Hop and he imagines Jay-Z in his mind, no Deadlee, then Jay has become irrelevant to Hip-Hop. What a suit thinks is why Hip-Hop sucks azz in the first place, because a suit just wants to rape the culture and not help it survive.

    Rizzop, I think in terms of Hip-Hop and not in the fickle measure of album sales. When the fourth quarter ended last year what artist had the most profound effect on Hip-Hop? Who was the most relevant to the culture?

    If you want to talk dollars and sense then take your azz to the Black Enterprise or the Forbes blog. This blog right here is for Hip-Hop and what remains of the culture. Go chase money somewhere else. You see how they treated DRAMA when the chips were down.

  • defk

    another bol imitator trying to get a lot of responces!Jay didnt blow up big time coz big died!hardknock life,money cash hoes,money aint a thing,a week ago all sealed everything no because some fat dude died!

  • Billy X. Sunday

    First off…
    B, good lookin’ out no Deadlee, you gave me a blog post for down the road prah’lee during NBA All-Star break.

    you already proved my point in this forum. If a suit in the office thinks of Hip-Hop and he imagines Jay-Z in his mind, no Deadlee, then Jay has become irrelevant to Hip-Hop. What a suit thinks is why Hip-Hop sucks azz in the first place, because a suit just wants to rape the culture and not help it survive.

    I think in terms of Hip-Hop and not in the fickle measure of album sales. When the fourth quarter ended last year what artist had the most profound effect on Hip-Hop? Who was the most relevant to the culture?

    If you want to talk dollars and sense then take your azz to the Black Enterprise or the Forbes blog. This blog right here is for Hip-Hop and what remains of the culture. Go chase money somewhere else. You see how they treated DRAMA when the chips were down.

  • Combat Jack

    Dunno ’bout this one fam. Jigga cut a lotta cats off at the pass in his prime, on LP’s and on the mixtape circuit. From like ’98 – ’04, nary a jig had the balls to go at Jigga. Just like niggas would’nt really go at Jordan in his prime. Dude is one of the few that didn’t do it on swagger along. Why you think mad cats is goin after dude now? Ery’one wants to claim they bested the “King”. Plus, who you know repped BK like dude post B.I.G.? I guess you had to be down with him from “Reasonable Doubt” to “Black Album” to witness first hand how he dominated those seasons.

    There is a reason why that crazay ass jig Fisty Scent has not gone at dude. Curtis ain’t that crazay!

  • Billy X. Sunday

    On some biblical storybook shit…

    NaS signing to Def Jam was like Jesus telling Judas that he was forgiven because he understood the need of humanity to imagine themselves as Gods.

    For what it’s worth, NaS won.

  • thatdukeSuave

    Jay’s my man and all (no bol), but you right, he just ain’t doin it like he used to. But Grant Hill? Nah neva that. G-Hill wasn’t ever on a great level, IMO, but Jay was more than great. I respect his hustle more than anything (rags to riches, all that shit), but duke used to slay the wordplay. Now he just sellin music cause of who he is, not what he says. Legends are supposed to be remembered
    for their dominance,(and this would have been in both Jay and MJ’s cases) but they had to come back and couldn’t live up to their pasts. Good post

  • Rizzop

    To Billy X: all im saying is that how can you compare him to a ball player that didnt get his proper time to shine? he man has done more for hip hop than many other “old school MC” as anyone else. While i still say NAS is better as far as bringing more substance to the game, but as far a global impact, Jay-z cant be compared to anyone BUT Jordan. Its easy to say lil wayne and the game are showing more skills, but lets say that when they have CLASSIC ALBUMS(more than one)And at that, they havent been at it as long as him. And to make it even more about hip hop, how can you knock a dude that for years hasnt even written down lyrics? Some of the best producers have said the man just listens to the beat and just walks in the studio! And if you are going to judge it by pure talent, he can or has gotten down with the best this generation of rappers has had to offer.

  • Rizzop

    Let me know who was winning in the fourth quarter last year? jay didnt sell more albums than every other hip hop artist?

  • http://whocareswhatpeoplethink thecollinb

    why is Belize’s comment better than your blog….*smh*

  • mannyworld33

    first off co sign belize!

    second, i consider myself a basketball junkie(I play, coach, watch etc.) so b. sunday your way off. G.Hill never reached his full potential because of a horrible ankle injury that most avreage people wouldn’t have recovered from as well as he has. Jay-Z can only be compared to MJ cause nobody came in their respective game and did it like they did. Belize’s comment is on point in every aspect. The only thing you got right was the r&b chick and for the record:
    I’M TAKIN’ TAMIA OVER BEYONCE!

    leave the jay hate to bol(no bol’s blog)

  • gluvnast

    terrible blog…no logical connection to grant hill whutsoever, and truthfully the parallels of jigga & jordan ARE legit…

    you want to say he wasn’t better than biggie…well, neither was JORDAN during his rookie season in comparison to MAGIC (remember, jigga was at his rookie season at that time)

    the roc-a-fella reign is similar to the bulls

    jay-z left at the peak of his career same as jordan

    he returned older and lost some of his luster, but still better than alot of rappers in the game today the sameway jordan did…

    not to mention the president gig…jordan with the wizards and jay-z with def jam…whut more can you say?

  • Diesel

    Which dumb ass wrote this

  • http://www.myspace.com/freshmakerodbeatz lukee lefty

    its not even close just leave it alone/i’m michael jordan i play for the team i own

    sorry b, you lose

  • Were Read 2 Def

    Dude is taking pointers from Bol.

  • Were Read 2 Def

    The correct athlete to compare the God MC to would be Jerry Rice aka the greatest player in the game who hung around too long.

  • EReal

    I totally agree with this in that I believe, (IMO), that JayZ was the “would be” greatest rapper. Dont start shitting yourselves hovettes.
    Like Cashus said, he put out a classic album like every other or every two albums. JayZ has all this talent and promise after Resonable, and just dosent ever really reach that pinnacle. Now what Im saying is that yes, JayZ is one of the greatest, but he could have been THE GREATEST. That kind of thing. I agree with that observation, and at least thats what I took from the post.

    1 hunned.

  • Were Read 2 Def

    If anyone doesn’t believe he is the God MC, then you need to listen to so his verses like:

    The Watcher 2 (His illest verse EVAR)
    What More Can I Say

  • Flip

    I don’t even like Jay-Z, but this shit is way off. XXL should have left you wherever the fuck you came from. “Celebrity,” eh? Who are you?

  • Were Read 2 Def

    Who else doesn’t write lyrics down on paper before they go in the booth.

    I mean, What more can I say to you.

  • swizzie1982

    Hov is where every rapper wishes they were.Much respect to Hov.

  • http://deleted It’s da N.I.

    Lil Wayne? better than Jay-z….dawg..you must be one of these young kids who watch too much 106 and park….or your just retarded….seriously…jay-z would run laps around weezy’s ugly mug…
    this is why hip hop is dead

  • twerkolator

    @combat jack:
    not to nitpick, but actually 50 did go at jay-z on the song “Be A Gentleman” (from the Guess Who’s Back mixtape). to wit:

    “still niggas actin’ like i don’t get down or somethin’
    like i ain’t the next nigga to wear the crown or somethin’
    you gon’ talk about your chips ’til we run in your crib
    then you gon’ ask dumb questions like “Can I live?”
    look if i shoot you i’m famous, if you shoot me your brainless
    you said it yourself
    i’m slick enough to twist your lines and send ‘em back at you
    swift enough to snatch the mac and pop that at you
    take it personal, see if i won’t send you to hell
    i done told tone and poke they betta have my bail…”

    @billy sunday:

    not to bring dp business over to XXL, but can i get my prize for winning the pirate radio podcast? holla at me…

    peace,
    twerkolator

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    Finally someone on the same page as me…i been saying this for the longest but people mark me as a hater when im just telling the truth and calling it how i see it…here is a the comment i put up in Bol…i mean Oreo’s column…

    …When you think about it this beef is a lot like messageboard beef…lame and pointless…the one purpose it does serve is to keep your name floating around…beef is good for the up and coming artists like tru life and hell rell and jr writer but for people knee deep in the game its worthless and like oreo said risky…seasoned vets would do better by beefin with God for example…like the confused lost Prodigy did…the Camel knows he isnt equiped to beef with the likes of DipSet…so he pays Tru Life a few stacks to handle it for him…well Jay needs to either fire Tru Life or do like Bush and send more troops…while on the subject of Jay-z…this dude really needs to retire…unless he is coming out with something to top blueprint…hang it up…you know what i want from Jay-z…give me something creative and unique…i dont want to hear no button up BS…give me something out of the ordinary…that grown man stuff doesnt have a market…

    …Jay-z doesn’t deserve the credit he gets(with the help of the media)…he got to where he is because of the deaths of Big and Pac…this dude need to transfer to marketing and promotions…and leave this music ish to those with a commitment…and you people wanna complain about hip hop being dead…start with Jay-z because he is the essence of commercialism…i understand why Weezy was going at him its because this dude is claiming i position he no longer holds…he is calling himself the best…i thought that was up to the people…he is to cought up in himself to realize that he is losing favor…a lot like Bush…but really people…re evaluate your view of Jay…this dude is recieving far more credit than he deserves…

  • http://yahoo.com quin_c813

    Did BOL pay u 2 write this post????

  • http://www.myspace.com/belizeanbway Belize

    SundaY….
    Thats waz good..

  • http://www.myspace.com/belizeanbway Belize

    Can somebody tell me what “smh” means..i feel like im gettin old..no clint eastwood

  • Rizzop

    The shit some people say…”That grown man stuff doesnt have a market…” WTF?…. So is he supposed to be talking about how much weight he moves and how many bitches he fucks at age 38?? This is exactly why hip hop is dead…nothing original! You still got millionares talking about how they klling and selling coke to. Everything the man rapped about is exactly where he is in HIS life,not where you want to be in yours……

    “…Jay-z doesn’t deserve the credit he gets(with the help of the media)…he got to where he is because of the deaths of Big and Pac…”
    How do you know that for fact? How can you predict the future? And he only gets the credit because he put in the work to get that credit! If he was making bullshit it wouldnt sell no matter who is around.

  • Combat Jack

    ^’i dont want to hear no button up BS…give me something out of the ordinary…that grown man stuff doesnt have a market…”

    The best thing that rap used to be was varied, unlike today’s cookie cutter blam blam cook cut crack ish! As a “grown man” I THOROUGHLY enjoyed Kingdom Come, and so did my peeps, and so did One Million plus peeps. Yeah, there’s a market for thuggery crack rap, and I dig that, and I did that. But when you get your grown man on, sometimes you wanna listen to something different. Funny how niggas used to clown MC Hammer back in the days and now he’s respected like the icon he was. You’ll learn scrap. Until then, git yer Dipset on!

  • Combat Jack

    ^ ” he is because of the deaths of Big and Pac…”

    Truth be told (and I know this first hand), both BIG and Pac were looking over their shoulders when Jigga dropped on the scene. BIG took him in, Pac tried to kill him. Ooh, it woulda been real sweet if Pac hadnt died and Jigga had got at him. Real sweet. Coulda shoulda woulda, but I thinks Jigga woulda put some kind of hurt on Mr. Shakur. I also know first hand that Jigga had some ammo for dude, but his dead ended their “beef”. Thats some fantasy crap league ish right there!

  • twerkolator

    ^co-sign on the mc hammer!

    yeah, i said it…what!!!

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    Rizzop Says:

    January 25th, 2007 at 12:02 pm
    The shit some people say…”That grown man stuff doesnt have a market…” WTF?…. So is he supposed to be talking about how much weight he moves and how many bitches he fucks at age 38?? This is exactly why hip hop is dead…nothing original! You still got millionares talking about how they klling and selling coke to. Everything the man rapped about is exactly where he is in HIS life,not where you want to be in yours……
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    so kingdome come was a good album?

    if you think so you dont know good music…i didnt say he should rap about drug dealing…im saying come up with something more creative…your claiming to be the best but your material doesnt reflect that…

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    Rizzop Says:

    January 25th, 2007 at 12:02 pm

    “…Jay-z doesn’t deserve the credit he gets(with the help of the media)…he got to where he is because of the deaths of Big and Pac…”
    How do you know that for fact? How can you predict the future? And he only gets the credit because he put in the work to get that credit! If he was making bullshit it wouldnt sell no matter who is around.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    because when they were alive pac pissed on him…no response…why because he wanted to have a career in the future…pac would have ended those possibilities…Pac and Big were true hip hop regardless of the money they made…after they died Jay was the new standard..which was lower and commercialism…he came into the game withthe mentality…im a hustler not a rapper…if Big was alive today Jay would be his weed carrier…

  • kevin

    damn… another jay-z hater on this joint.

    comparing games skills to jay, you should smack yourself.

  • E AKA THE REAL NORIEAGA

    Co-sign Combat Jack

  • http://www.hiphop-blogs.com Hashim

    “Even younger rappers like Lil’ Wayne, T.I. and The Game are showing more skills than Jay.”

    You’re my boy Billy, but that’s where I stopped reading.

  • EReal

    NAS Says:
    January 25th at 1:45 pm

    “How many of Big’s rhymes gonna come out your fat lips?”

  • skip

    buddy Grant Hill was a beast b4 that injury.

    smh(shakin my head)

    JAY-Z face it people he’s the standard that all these rappers want 2.

  • EReal

    The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE Says:
    “if you think so you dont know good music”

    ^^^
    Or your perception of good music.

  • G Off

    The big piece that you are missing with this argument is that Jordan isn’t the only “greatest ever” basketball player. You are saying that Jay had BIG and Pac to compete with, but Jordan has Russell, Chamberlain, Robertson, Magic, etc. to compete with in the argument. Jordan and Jay both separated themselves from the competition and are known as the best to do it, but you could argue against either one of them if you want to.

  • Combat Jack

    ^”because when they were alive pac pissed on him…no response…why because he wanted to have a career in the future…pac would have ended those possibilities…Pac and Big were true hip hop regardless of the money they made…after they died Jay was the new standard..which was lower and commercialism…he came into the game withthe mentality…im a hustler not a rapper…if Big was alive today Jay would be his weed carrier… ”

    Get your facts straight lil homie. When Pac dissed Jay on Makavelli, or I should say, when Makavelli dropped retail, Pac was already dead!!! I personally asked Jay when he heard the dis if we was going after dude, and he was like, “why disrespect the dead?” Hence, no response.

  • jacquez
  • Rizzop

    Still more ifs…..Do you realize when Pac actually saw NAS in Ny b4 he died he told him he was “just trying to sell some records” Please do your history man. Pac was shitting on the niggas that he thought were worth shitting on (ala 50 cent) We can argue all day that Pac and BIG coulda, shouda, woulda, but the fact remains is this….. Why was it jay-z and not one of the other million rappers that stepped to the forefront(enter your favorite MC here)…..He must have just slipped and fell on greatness. As a matter of fact just blame god while you’re at it. At the end of the day while yes, he put out alot of music that was commercially successful, the man went from hood to hood in Ny battling alot of the best niggas around at the time…. Sorry to tell you hes on EVERYONES Top 5 dead or alive!……And its all from the top of his head! Whats more hip hop than a nigga that can spit like that? Please leave a list for who you think has had more of an affect on hip hop than this man. He didnt affect the commercialism of rap people….its called supply and demand, you supply what the people demand! He just cashiing the checks he was given.

  • Combat Jack

    Funny thing about this thread, and YOU ALL KNOW THIS FOR FACT: Jay Z is your favorite rapper’s favorite rapper. Even Jim Jones said a couple of months back on Angie Martinez, Hot ’97: “I can’t take anything away from dude, his history and his skills, even though me and my crew might not fuck with him. I’d be a fool not to recognize Jay for the cat that he is”. Jimmy’s smarter than what a lot of you Dipset stans give him credit for.

  • yung ceasa

    u know this dude sunday is doin way better posts than bol, and u know im tellin tha truth. but anyways in response 2 tha post, i lightweight agree wit u, cause imagine if b.i.g. never died or 2pac never died. we prolly wouldnt even be talkin bout jay right now, but at tha same time if neither big or pac had died, we would still have beef between different regions, we wouldnt have made tha great strides in music far as mixin genres or tha business side, cause jay was tha first artist/ceo in tha rap game. so jay might be tha grant hill of rap, but he still is tha equivalent 2 michael jordan far as businesses and crossover appeal, think about it.

  • http://www.myspace.com/belizeanbway Belize

    Thnx skip…funny thing is that i figuered it out right after i posted it

    *warning: marijuana depletes short-term memory span*

    Tommy Chung

  • Fernando

    David Wingate

    Robert Pack

    Buck Williams

    Ala Abdoulnabie

    Mark Macon

  • G Off

    AZ is the Grant Hill of the rap game (started out with a bang, but can’t catch a break).

    BIG was Bill Walton (injuries shortened the career, which started out great).

    Pac was Magic (biggest personality, overcame lack of technical skill by sheer will).

  • Billy X. Sunday

    Michael Jordan beat Detroit and L.A. (his biggest rivals/preecessors) before his first ‘retirement’.

    M.J. beat Malone, Stockton, Barkley, Kemp, Payton before his second retirement (old heads and young gunners).

    M.J. was unquestionably the best.

    Who did Jay-Z beat? Prodigy? Prodigy = Patrick Ewing. NaS squashed Jay-Z on some rap shit. Don’t tell me about sales anymore. Eminem got that on lock.

    M.J. brought Antawn Jamison, RIP Hamilton, Kwame Brown and Gilbert Arenas to the Wizards when he was the GM/president. What talent has Jay-Z brought to Def Jam?

    Who was the blank that said that Def Jam was Hip-Hop’s first album? If you claim to love Hip-Hop but your frame of reference begins at 1996 then please go kill yourself.

  • content

    Get original. You’re posting right up under someone who takes shots at J everyday….what you know about Hov?

  • SONNY CHEEBA

    Listen, people have to get off this Jay-Z shit…

    Hype Williams said it the best on his blog on myspace:

    “…Like why is Jay-Z still Jay-Z at 36? You know what I mean, he is still Jay-Z at 36. There is no new Jay-Z. Where is the new Jay-Z? It’s weird…”

    Dude can never replace what B.I.G. did for NY’s esteem, it’s like the next King of Lancelot replacing King Arthur- na’mean?

    No matter how great u are, u’ll always be in the shadow of a memory…

    But Jay-Z is STILL the BEST “pound for pound” rappert there is!

    Nas may be best “quote for quote” and Eminem on a good day is the best “syllable for syllable”, but Jay is the best “lifestyle rapper” there is! PERIOD…

    and believe me, in this crazed “celereality” world, “lifestyle” counts…

    But i will say this, Jay-Z is “the man” by default!

    Due to the fact that B.I.G. & Pac died at 25 (Yes, 25yrs old!), and Nas is basically scared of his own greatness- Jay-Z was able to fill that void…

    Jay-Z’s the original “Mr. Me Too”…
    Not like Lil “Whoopi Goldberg” Wayne, but in the sense that he has such dexterity that whatever another nigga can do- he can do it just as good, if not better… But he never actually “creates” something new…

    Pac coined the emotional black man… B.I.G. coined the King of NY… Nas coined true street poetry… Jay-Z, just ran with what was hot at the time and flipped it…

    That’s why were still talking about him 19 years after “Hawaiian Sophie”…

  • dneroda1

    >>>Jay-Z certainly wasn’t better than Notorious. Do you think we would still be talking about Jay-Z had he been killed before his second album was released?>Even with the rappers from Jay’s peer group that are still alive you would be hard pressed to call him the best. He’s certainly not better than Nas, or Ghostface. Even younger rappers like Lil’ Wayne, T.I. and The Game are showing more skills than Jay.

  • dneroda1

    >>And on that note, who was winning when the fourth quarter ended last year? I think I rest my case.

  • let the game begin

    this is all deja vu to me ncred trying shit on jay without any valuable facts and people thinking wayne is better than jay!! gosh when will this shit end

  • dneroda1

    LMAO AT SOME OF THE JAY-HATE COMMENTS..THIS DUDE IS THE MOST INFLUENTIAL MC NOT NAMED 2PAC TO EVER BLESS THE MIC..NOT JUST RAP STYLE BUT CLOTHING..HE ALSO STARTED THE WHOLE RAPPER/CEO TREND..AND I DARE YA LISTEN TO D’EVILS AND TELL ME THATS NOT ONE OF THE ILLEST 3 MIN AND CHANGE OF HIP HOP U’VE EVER HEARD..I DON’T MIND CATS SAYIN U THINK HES NOT THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME OR EVEN THE GREATEST OF HIS TIME BUT TO SAY HES WACK JUST DOESN’T MAKE SENSE..THIS DUDE DID THINGS THAT WERE UNHEARD OF 10 YEARS AGO..SHOW RESPECT

  • http://whocareswhatpeoplethink thecollinb

    I’ll give Jay Z one pass: every person of greatness that retired from their profession and came back pretty much sucked ass *no R Kelly in the second scene of his sex tape* and realized it was truely time to hang it up….Jay had to do it so that he could see this isn’t his game anymore.
    it’s a sad day when Whoopi Goldberg has an excellent chance and Ethering him a second time

  • derfla the hus’la

    jumping on the band wagon aren’t we next you’ll be reviewing mtv show’s.

  • Cuban Link

    ^lmfaoo

    Even younger rappers like Lil’ Wayne, T.I. and The Game are showing more skills than Jay.

    ^^^^^^^^^Second blog and I already think you a dumbass

  • Mike

    Sayin T.I. spits better thsn Jay-z is just fuckkin ignorant. You just worte this article to get your name out jbecause nobody knows who the fuck you are so you copied the way Bol blogs by saying stupid shit that you isn’t true just for response. No fuckin creativity, do something new.

  • K-Dogg

    “Even younger rappers like Lil’ Wayne, T.I. and The Game are showing more skills than Jay.”

    You’re my boy Billy, but that’s where I stopped reading.”

    Lil Wayne MURDERED Jay on his version of ‘Show Me What You Got’.

  • y me

    hip hop is dead is only a month old. why ya’ll still talking bout kingdom done.

  • y me

    i can agree with grant hill. u know he still shows signs of having game. but at any play(verse) it can all be fucked up. but what about the. BEST—–WAY TOO MANY BIGGIE VERSES. SOUNDS LIKE SCOTTIE PIPPEN TO ME!!!!!!!

  • wait!!!!!!

    good post and yea t.i. and lil wayne is beeter than jay

  • wait!!!!!!

    but i dont know about game… hes boring and spit the same shit

  • woman wit money

    sunday is basically saying lil wayne is the best rapper rapper doin it right now, he done came out with like 8 mixtapes in one year and an album. i bet your favorite rapper comes out every 2 years or so.

  • woman wit money

    thats how uknow lil wayne loves rapping cuz ull hear something new from him at least once a week. and yall really need to stop downloading and start buying albums. cuz major labels are going to start seeing that rap aint selling and hip hop is just gonna fade away, artists gone go broke. then everyones gonna be like “wat happened” and hip hop will be gone.

  • woman wit money

    hiphop is not dead. there was alot of good cds that came out this year. u had to be on the white people side to sell past 2million(5O cent, eminem, kanye west, jay-z) stupid black folk aint buying shit thats why hip hop is dying. best albums of 2OO6: KING- T.I., HIP HOP IS DEAD- NAS, RELEASE THERAPY- LUDACRIS, BLUE COLLAR- RHYMEFEST. LIKE FATHER LIKE SON- LIL WAYNE, LIGHT POLES AND PINE TREES- FIELD MOB, HELL HATH NO FURY- CLIPSE, BLOCK MUSIC- SHAWNNA,

  • woman wit money

    i agree who talented from def jam jay-z has brought in.

  • Thomas

    Jay= MJ
    The best to ever to do it. MJ wasn’t great at one thing (above average in a lot of areas). Mike didn’t have the best “J,” but could hit it enough to keep people honest, he wasn’t the best dunker of his time (D. Wilkins was), he played defense, but Scottie was the best defender on the team (strike that Mike was a great defender), etc. Mike had heart, determination, work ethic, a drive like no one else, made it look easy, supreme confidence, he was humble, but an assassin at the same time. Plus, he was taught well and brought up through the ranks the right way. He encountered set backs in his life (i.e., getting cut 10th grade year), played for/mentored by the great Dean Smith/Phil Jackson. Jordan also had other players in their prime (i.e., Magic, Bird, Clyde, Dr. J) to try to climb over. He was able to accomplish that. When Jordan came back with the Wizards everyone wanted to go after him (Kobe, Vince, T-Mac, and every other young buck in the league) and even still they couldn’t hold his jock. His play wasn’t vintage Jordan, but you still had to double team him. You still had to give him respect and had to bring your “A” game.

    Jay isn’t great at one thing, but is above average in a lot of areas. His story telling isn’t “Nas like” or no where near the level of Slick Rick, but he can weave a tale (Friend or Foe, Friend or Foe 98, Lucky me, Meet the Parents), he was the King of club bangers (Give it to me, Can I get…, Jigga, Izzo, Change the game, Hey Papi), he has many street bangers (Streets is watching, Where I’m from, So Ghetto, PSA, Kingdom Come, Oh My God, etc). The introspective joints are off the hook (Regrets, Can I live, Song Cry, etc). I could go on for ever about this man’s catalog.

    Jay went to school (I believe) with GZA, Busta, and was brought up with BDK, and Jaz-O. He was trained right. He put his hustle down trying to get in the game only to meet shut doors. He made himself into the greatest; know one gave him that spot, he took it.

    I’m one of the biggest B.I.G. fans ever, but he was/is the Len Bias of hip hop. Does anyone remember Len Bias? He was the best player in the ACC while playing at Maryland. About 6-8 230-240 lbs. He could do everything, shoot, dribble, pass, D-up, Mike couldn’t touch Len Bias, but Len Bias left this world tragically (drug over dose in 86). MJ would not have been what he became if Len Bias was still alive…the best of all time….. Think about that?

    Does that make sense? It doesn’t. We will never know if Jay would have achieved his success if B.I.G. or Pac were still alive. We will never know. I say enjoy the man’s work. He has put out quality work since the beginning. The only rappers out now that can even be compared to Jay as far as consistent quality work is Nas and Ghostface, but they have their critics as well. Luda is working on adding his name to that list.

    Jay’s Catalog:
    1. Reasonable Doubt- Classic
    2. In My Lifetime Vol. 1- Classic (only miss steps: I know what girls like, Sunshine)
    3. Hard Knock Life- Best Commercial Album
    4. In My Lifetime Vol. 3- Most slept on in Catalog
    5. The Dynasty- Above Average Album
    6. Blueprint- Classic
    7. Blueprint 2- would have been a classic minus 5 or 6 songs. Lyrically great.
    8. Black Album- Classic. Grown up Jay
    9. Kingdom Come- Not his best work, but mature Jay.

    Tell me…who’s catalog can top his? This is what Lil Wayne, Game, Jim Jones, even 50…putting out quality product every time.

    Who made it ok to wear a button up? Who besides ?love gave 9th wonder any props (at least in the mainstream)? Who is better on a Timbo Track than him? Who murders Primo’s track other than him and Nas? The man has set so many trends or expanded or trends already in place its crazy. Do you think Mike was the first to dunk from the free throw line? Dr. J. Do you think mike was the first to cradle dunk the ball. David Thompson. Do you think Mike was the first 6-5, 6-6 guard that was a do everything guard? The Big O.

    So the argument that he doesn’t set trends only steals them is crazy. You don’t always have to reinvent the wheel, adding on and making it better is ok as well.

    Last point, if you 30 plus and haven’t changed somewhat in your taste or your desire to expose yourself to something different then you need to listen to stillmatic (2nd childhood). Case in point. Fat Joe’s new record. Not bad. Not the years best, but what is a 36 year old man, who has been in the game for over 12 years doing calling him self cook coke crack (or whatever)? WTF. Grow up. I’ll listen to a mature Jay or Puff cd (did I just say that) then crack rap all day (Dem VA boys are still dope).

    Holla

  • pete

    you fucking suck. were you high when you got the idea for writing this?

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    the Jay-z dickriders are in full force…thats shit is funny…is he paying you lames…to defend Jay as great and the best is pure ignorance…

    this dude not even top 10 as far as the all time greats…come on people give me a break…

    Jay-z is a fraud…

    Someone tell me why he did not respond to Weezy’s challenge…dont giver me that “he isnt on Jay level”…if so why did he entertain Jim Jones…

    here is a few artist that are above Jay-z:

    Common
    Ice Cube
    Weezy F Baby
    Stlyes P
    Talib Kweli
    Nas
    Snoop
    Raekwon
    Ghostface

  • Diggy

    “Even younger rappers like Lil’ Wayne, T.I. and The Game are showing more skills than Jay”

    That right there just shows you have no idea what you’re talkin about. And I’m far from a hater, them dudes is nice. But you have no idea what you’re talkin’ about.

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    Snoops Catolog:

    Doggystyle: hit #1 on the charts 6 mil sold

    The Doggfather: hit #1 on charts 2 mil sold

    Da Game is To be Sold Not Told: hit #1 2 mil sold

    No Limit Top Dogg: hit #2 1.5 mil sold

    Last Meal: hit #4 2 mil sold

    Paid Da Cost to be the Boss: hit #12 over 1 mil sold

    R&G Masterpiece: hit #6 over 2 mil sold

    BlueCarpet Treatment: hit #5 approaching 1 mil sold

    8 albums over 17 million records sold

    Star in over a dozen movies

    had his own show on MTV

    6 Grammy Nominations

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    Ice cube had over 10 albums that just about all went platnum…over 10 movies…directed videos and movies…he is grown up but never strayed away from who he was and what made him who he was…

  • dneroda1

    >>here is a few artist that are above Jay-z:

    Common
    Ice Cube
    Weezy F Baby
    Stlyes P
    Talib Kweli
    Nas
    Snoop
    Raekwon
    Ghostface

  • dneroda1

    Thomas Says:

    January 26th, 2007 at 12:12 am
    Jay= MJ
    The best to ever to do it. MJ wasn’t great at one thing (above average in a lot of areas). Mike didn’t have the best “J,” but could hit it enough to keep people honest, he wasn’t the best dunker of his time (D. Wilkins was), he played defense, but Scottie was the best defender on the team (strike that Mike was a great defender), etc. Mike had heart, determination, work ethic, a drive like no one else, made it look easy, supreme confidence, he was humble, but an assassin at the same time. Plus, he was taught well and brought up through the ranks the right way. He encountered set backs in his life (i.e., getting cut 10th grade year), played for/mentored by the great Dean Smith/Phil Jackson. Jordan also had other players in their prime (i.e., Magic, Bird, Clyde, Dr. J) to try to climb over. He was able to accomplish that. When Jordan came back with the Wizards everyone wanted to go after him (Kobe, Vince, T-Mac, and every other young buck in the league) and even still they couldn’t hold his jock. His play wasn’t vintage Jordan, but you still had to double team him. You still had to give him respect and had to bring your “A” game.

    Jay isn’t great at one thing, but is above average in a lot of areas. His story telling isn’t “Nas like” or no where near the level of Slick Rick, but he can weave a tale (Friend or Foe, Friend or Foe 98, Lucky me, Meet the Parents), he was the King of club bangers (Give it to me, Can I get…, Jigga, Izzo, Change the game, Hey Papi), he has many street bangers (Streets is watching, Where I’m from, So Ghetto, PSA, Kingdom Come, Oh My God, etc). The introspective joints are off the hook (Regrets, Can I live, Song Cry, etc). I could go on for ever about this man’s catalog.

    Jay went to school (I believe) with GZA, Busta, and was brought up with BDK, and Jaz-O. He was trained right. He put his hustle down trying to get in the game only to meet shut doors. He made himself into the greatest; know one gave him that spot, he took it.

    I’m one of the biggest B.I.G. fans ever, but he was/is the Len Bias of hip hop. Does anyone remember Len Bias? He was the best player in the ACC while playing at Maryland. About 6-8 230-240 lbs. He could do everything, shoot, dribble, pass, D-up, Mike couldn’t touch Len Bias, but Len Bias left this world tragically (drug over dose in 86). MJ would not have been what he became if Len Bias was still alive…the best of all time….. Think about that?

    Does that make sense? It doesn’t. We will never know if Jay would have achieved his success if B.I.G. or Pac were still alive. We will never know. I say enjoy the man’s work. He has put out quality work since the beginning. The only rappers out now that can even be compared to Jay as far as consistent quality work is Nas and Ghostface, but they have their critics as well. Luda is working on adding his name to that list.

    Jay’s Catalog:
    1. Reasonable Doubt- Classic
    2. In My Lifetime Vol. 1- Classic (only miss steps: I know what girls like, Sunshine)
    3. Hard Knock Life- Best Commercial Album
    4. In My Lifetime Vol. 3- Most slept on in Catalog
    5. The Dynasty- Above Average Album
    6. Blueprint- Classic
    7. Blueprint 2- would have been a classic minus 5 or 6 songs. Lyrically great.
    8. Black Album- Classic. Grown up Jay
    9. Kingdom Come- Not his best work, but mature Jay.

    Tell me…who’s catalog can top his? This is what Lil Wayne, Game, Jim Jones, even 50…putting out quality product every time.

    Who made it ok to wear a button up? Who besides ?love gave 9th wonder any props (at least in the mainstream)? Who is better on a Timbo Track than him? Who murders Primo’s track other than him and Nas? The man has set so many trends or expanded or trends already in place its crazy. Do you think Mike was the first to dunk from the free throw line? Dr. J. Do you think mike was the first to cradle dunk the ball. David Thompson. Do you think Mike was the first 6-5, 6-6 guard that was a do everything guard? The Big O.

    So the argument that he doesn’t set trends only steals them is crazy. You don’t always have to reinvent the wheel, adding on and making it better is ok as well.

    Last point, if you 30 plus and haven’t changed somewhat in your taste or your desire to expose yourself to something different then you need to listen to stillmatic (2nd childhood). Case in point. Fat Joe’s new record. Not bad. Not the years best, but what is a 36 year old man, who has been in the game for over 12 years doing calling him self cook coke crack (or whatever)? WTF. Grow up. I’ll listen to a mature Jay or Puff cd (did I just say that) then crack rap all day (Dem VA boys are still dope).

    Holla

    COULDN’T HAVE SAID IT BETTER MYSELF

  • E.B.

    Yo, Billy X if you’re gonna use basketball references, at least get em’ right.

    Arenas and Jamison were signed to Wizards by Ernie Grunfeld, long after Jordan was fired.

    Jordan traded away Rip Hamilton for Jerry Stackhouse, and Kwame Brown is widely considered the worst no.1 pick in the last 10 years (Olowakandi being the exception).

    To paraphrase a quote “Men lie, women lie, facts don’t.”

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    At this point Kanye West is putting out better albums than Jay-z…

  • Combat Jack

    ^ “Tell me…who’s catalog can top his? This is what Lil Wayne, Game, Jim Jones, even 50…putting out quality product every time.”

    Funny, FIVE years ago I told my wife Jay was the only emcee ever who had enough bangers to put out a 4CD Box set anthology. Think about it.

    Btw, mad props for the Len Bias throwback. You took me there dun!

  • Combat Jack

    Oh yeah, the box set would be filled with hits, no filler, AND, shit would fly off the shelves like Starbucks coffee!

  • crewzta

    GTFO

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    i could do a 4 cd set for tons of people…so im not buying this whole Jay-z is the greatest…i understand he is your favorite but that doesnt make him the best…

  • http://www.myspace.com/daojones1 daojones

    Ummm. Do you listen to hip hop? Or do you just read what every other hip hop blogger writes and base your ideas off of them? Because it seems like hating on Jay is the cool thing within the blogging crowd right now.

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    daojones Says:

    January 26th, 2007 at 12:50 pm
    Ummm. Do you listen to hip hop? Or do you just read what every other hip hop blogger writes and base your ideas off of them? Because it seems like hating on Jay is the cool thing within the blogging crowd right now.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    nah…i once was a fan of Jay-z’s music(not him)..but this dude is getting beside himself…if he wasnt so self centered and humbled himself maybe things would be different for him and how he is viewed…but truth be told…he gets more credit than he deserves…he is not the best out…never was…he really needs to reevaluate the direction he has taken because it aint where its at…everyone in the game feel the same way except for Nas lost ass…

  • Billy X. Sunday

    Jay-Z fans, answer me this question…

    Michael Jordan was considered the BEST IN THE GAME to those that he played against not just the fans.

    Would Jay-Z be considered the best in the game to Ghost, Rae, NaS, Cappadona, Snoop, Ice Cube, Too Short? To name a few.

    Jay-Z has been wildly successful at making words rhyme and making you believe in the things he says.

    He tells some of you to change clothes and you do it because you are sheep and you need his directions.

    For real Hip-Hop fans and people that know how to dress themselves Jay-Z is a good dude, but not that much.

  • P

    I hate when people say “if B.I.G. was alive” what the fuck does that even mean if BIG were alive I’m sure at some point in his career people would start hating on him like they do Jay-Z saying “well if Pac was alive”..BIG put out 2 albums you dont know if he would have continued to be consistent, Jay is better than Ghostface, now Nas..they both in the same area but Jay beats Nas in consistency of albums..Jay has only had 1 really wack album Vol. 3..and even that started off like it was good, You dont sound like you even listen to Jay Z

  • Rizzop

    “Would Jay-Z be considered the best in the game to Ghost, Rae, NaS, Cappadona, Snoop, Ice Cube, Too Short? To name a few.”

    Yes (except cube and NAS) I guess it is just a matter of what your preference is. But since you know so much who would the MJ of hip hop be?

  • P

    and Wayne ethering Jay on “show me what you got”?, how can you say a person ethered someone while biting their flow and playing off of it, i mean dont people try to spit as best as they can over somebody else beat when doing a mixtape, jay wasnt trying to spit like that he was trying to make a simple commercial single, now If they get on the same song together in the studio together or If hov gets on the song after hearing Wayne verse and its not as good then that argument can be made.

  • http://XXLMag.com SouthSide Chi

    Dog, TI Lil Wayne and Game in the same group as Jay-Z? You automatically loose all credibility name one TI song where his lyrics are as good as verse two in Streets is Watching, or Where I’m from.

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    Rizzop Says:

    January 26th, 2007 at 1:39 pm
    “Would Jay-Z be considered the best in the game to Ghost, Rae, NaS, Cappadona, Snoop, Ice Cube, Too Short? To name a few.”

    Yes (except cube and NAS) I guess it is just a matter of what your preference is. But since you know so much who would the MJ of hip hop be?
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    tupac

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    P Says:

    January 26th, 2007 at 1:45 pm
    and Wayne ethering Jay on “show me what you got”?, how can you say a person ethered someone while biting their flow and playing off of it, i mean dont people try to spit as best as they can over somebody else beat when doing a mixtape, jay wasnt trying to spit like that he was trying to make a simple commercial single, now If they get on the same song together in the studio together or If hov gets on the song after hearing Wayne verse and its not as good then that argument can be made.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    it does not matter weezy latest work>Jay-z latest work…

  • Fernando

    Combat Jack…..

    Nas could easily put out a box set. So could Ice Cube. So Could TUPAC. Jay definitely could…..be he is definitely NOT the only one. Tribe Called Quest could too. There are Many Many more.

  • derfla the hus’la

    P Says:

    January 26th, 2007 at 1:45 pm
    and Wayne ethering Jay on “show me what you got”?, how can you say a person ethered someone while biting their flow and playing off of it, i mean dont people try to spit as best as they can over somebody else beat when doing a mixtape, jay wasnt trying to spit like that he was trying to make a simple commercial single, now If they get on the same song together in the studio together or If hov gets on the song after hearing Wayne verse and its not as good then that argument can be made
    ^^^^^^^^^^^
    cosign

  • Boner Jams 03

    And LL Cool J is the Alonzo Mourning of rap….you really cant hate either one for the fact of what they’ve been through…but deep down u wish they would just go away

  • derfla the hus’la

    comparing lil wayne and jay is jus lame even if lil wayne spits better then jay “now” , will he ever archieve what jay has in he’s life time. people are narrow minded and only look at the small picture what jay has done is what lil wayne will never be able to do in he’s life time see iam looking at the future and the future tells me not many will remember lil wayne as much as jay see.jus like jordan will be remembered more then Grant hill.

  • woman wit money

    yall is some dickriders 4 real. jay z is not all that good.

  • DJ N-CREDIBLE

    i dont speak for everyone but im talking about hip hop and a battle of the wits…not financial matters…

  • Thomas

    The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE Says:

    January 26th, 2007 at 11:08 am
    At this point Kanye West is putting out better albums than Jay-z…
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    He doesn’t write all of his rhymes. I’m a Kanye fan.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Billy X. Sunday Says:

    January 26th, 2007 at 1:21 pm
    Jay-Z fans, answer me this question…

    Michael Jordan was considered the BEST IN THE GAME to those that he played against not just the fans.

    Would Jay-Z be considered the best in the game to Ghost, Rae, NaS, Cappadona, Snoop, Ice Cube, Too Short? To name a few.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Ultra competitive sport and your peers aren’t going to give you those props because they’re playing in the game with you. Greatness is only truly appreciated after it is gone. Us as Hip Hop fans will miss Jay, Nas, Cube when they are gone and have “officially” hung up the mic. All still have “bars left in them.” Jay-Z has been wildly successful at making words rhyme and making you believe in the things he says.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    He tells some of you to change clothes and you do it because you are sheep and you need his directions.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    We all our guilty of following trends from time to time. Why do you wear the type of kicks you have on? Because you seen or heard about them and think/believe that they are a good look for you.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    For real Hip-Hop fans and people that know how to dress themselves Jay-Z is a good dude, but not that much.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

  • Thomas

    twerkolator Says:

    January 25th, 2007 at 10:41 am
    @combat jack:
    not to nitpick, but actually 50 did go at jay-z on the song “Be A Gentleman” (from the Guess Who’s Back mixtape). to wit:

    Jay killed him with one line. “I’m about a Dollar what the fuck is 50 Cent.”

  • Thomas

    1. The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE Says:
    January 26th, 2007 at 9:56 am
    the Jay-z dickriders are in full force…thats shit is funny…is he paying you lames…to defend Jay as great and the best is pure ignorance…
    this dude not even top 10 as far as the all time greats…come on people give me a break…
    Jay-z is a fraud…
    Someone tell me why he did not respond to Weezy’s challenge…dont giver me that “he isnt on Jay level”…if so why did he entertain Jim Jones…
    here is a few artist that are above Jay-z:
    Common
    Ice Cube
    Weezy F Baby (only two good albums. Mixtapes don’t count)
    Stlyes P (Not enough solo material)
    Talib Kweli
    Nas
    Snoop (Lyrically doesn’t touch Jay)
    Raekwon (I’m a die hard Wu Tang and only put him on here because of Cuban Linx and Joints on other related Wu projects)
    Ghostface

  • Tmontana171

    you couldnt be any more wrong…wtf are you talking about Jay-z is the ONLY artist in hiphop to put out quality material year in year out, not falter, still be cool and have cred

  • East coast rap 98

    big is the best……….hands down….when big was alive…there’s was no disagreement……..big did one album in his lifetime…..could jay z be mj on reasonable doubt and in my lifetime…..hell no….jay was more popular off the foxy hype….i’ll be and ain’t no nigga”….big didn’t need anyone….esp. some female mc…and jay got more buzz off the fact the big was his boy….jay even said he needed big to be in his video for it to blow…….big was so ill…..he didn’t even have to respond to pac….he ignored him and was still the best in the game……peep ”kick in the door”……could jay keep his status if he didn’t respond to nas…or even mobb deep…..or even 50 cent…..hell no…….big is the most biten rapper of ALL TIME…..with jay being the biggest biter…so who’s better???…….as soon as big dropped….”juicy”….it’s was over….his shit was the most hardcore and gutta….but did 4 mil….jay didn’t reach that sucess till big die…and was the most ”crossover” rapper besides will smith…..big was the most street….big reign supreme during hip’hop prime without question…even pac said ”i give big his props”…big had the toughest comp…during his era…..wu tang,snoop and dre,nas,pac,scarface,outkast,e-40,redman,big-L,jay-z,ugk,too short,busta rhymes,common,ice cube,az,mobb deep…..all in their prime….still had the throne….even though even drop one lp during hip hop’s golden era 93-96…..tell me this could Jay keep his spot if he only dropped one album during his prime….98-01…..hell no…and to add to the fact jay dropped every year…he wasn’t undisputed….nas,dmx,eminem,dre…”2001..cash money,outcast,nelly,..ALL had the throne in hip hop during the jay era…….and in conclusion…jay said it himself……”if i’am not better than big…i’am the closest one”………Nas…”compared to beans your wack”…..Last

  • East coast rap 98

    Hell……even ja rule had the throne for a good length during the Jay era…..Shit..even Pun was sonning Jay for awhile….would this happen under Big’s watch….HELL NO….one

  • destined_for_greatness

    Yo you are so right. Jay a fu*king lame. He made a whole cd dissing dipset. Who comes out of retirement for that. Lil wayne killed him on his own beat. Fu*k that fag i got some bars for him. He just made NY rap look bad. Him and Tru dyke I mean life.

  • East coast rap 98

    Ja rule even had the throne for awhile….hell….even Pun was sonning jay a little bit….would this happen under big’s watch..hell no

  • East coast rap 98

    ja rule and pun had it during the jay era….under big’s watch…..i don’t think so….

  • D.Mit

    I don’t care what anyone says Jay Z is the greatest rapper alive. Biggie is dead so that counts him out. Nas is a lyrical giant but he has a horrible taste in beats and sum of his albums weren’t all that great.And Ghostface even though he is a great story teller, hes not on Jay Z’s level. Jay is a great lyricist, he has had sum great production, hes a great story teller, and more then two of his albums have been deemed classics. Shit, hes the rapper every young and up n coming rapper wants to be like. In the NBA niggas “wanna be like Mike”. In the rap industry niggas wanna be like Jay.

  • xBNYCEx

    people hate because their jelious because they will never have Jay-z talent lil wayne game ti all use good beats to get their names up not to say they don’t have skills but they aint no Jay-z thats while they swagger jack alot of his lines listen to lil wayne and lloyd then listen to the bulepint never change no your shit before you make your self look stupid dumb ass

  • Were Read 2 Def

    Jay-Z & Ghostface r the GOATS of this rap shit.

  • http://Myspace.com/thatnugguh Yung_FOKUZD

    FIRST THINGS FIRST…GHOSTFACE ISN’T GOING TO GET ANY PROPS FROM ME…THAT DUDE BE SAY’N SHIT THAT DON’T MAKE ANY SENSE…FOR INSTANCE…BEYONCE FT..GHOSTFACE….SUMMERTIME…”EXCUSE ME MISS HAVE A WORD WIT YOU YET PLEASE”…EXACT WORDS…AND THATS A NICE EMCEE…SOORRY CAN’T ROCK WITH THAT…LIL WAYNE IS NOT FUCK’N WIT JAY…HE GOT A LIL SWAG…HE’S KISS’N ON HIS DAD…AND FREESTYLE’N OVER EVERY TRACK…MAKES HIM THE GREATEST…YEA OKIE DOKIE…GILLY EXPOSED WAYNE…I DON’T THINK GILLY WROTE FOR WAYNE…BUT HE GAVE THAT NIGGA A SWAG…STR8 MUSIC ON THAT ONE..AND I LAUGH HISTERICALLY TO THE FOOL THAT SAYS JAY IS THE BIGGEST BITER…FIRST THING I NEED TO SAY TO THAT IS…”I say a B.I.G. verse i’m only biggin up my brother Biggin up my borough I’m big enough to do it I’m that thorough Plus i know my own flow is foolish …” AND…”Don’t worry about Brooklyn I continue to flame Therefore a world with amnesia won’t forget your name…”…NOW REAL RECOGNIZE REAL…RIGHT…LETS GO DOWN THE LIST OF ARTIST WITH BADBOY”FAMILY” AND THEIR ALBUMS….LOON(2 MAYBE 3 ALBUMS I NEED A GIRL WAS HIS BIGGEST HIT…AND IT WASN’T EVEN HIS SONG)…M.A.DOLLA SIGN.E(2 ALBUMS B4 HIS “COMEBACK” FIRST ONE WAS HOT…SECOND ONE NO LOVE…)…BLACKROB(UM..whoa…)…L.O.X…(WELL WE KNOW THE SITUATION HERE…)..WHO ELSE…NOT TO MENTION THE BAND…AND THE “NEXT BIGGIE” E.NESS…HOW MANY SEASONS HAS HE DONE ALREADY…OH YEA…SO DO WE REALLY REALLY THINK BIGGIE WOULD’VE LAST’D ON THAT BAD BOY TEAM…I DONT THINK SO….DON’T GET IT TWISTED BIGGIE IS LIKE THE WILT CHAMBERLAIN OF HIS TIME….BIG MUTHA FUCKA YOU JUS COULDN’T MISS THAT HAD SKILL…PAC…PAC WAS THAT DR. JAY CHARACTER…HE INFLUENCED SO MANY PPL…EVEN JORDAN HIMSELF…SO YEA PAC INFLUENCED JAY-Z….ALL IN A NUT SHELL…WAYNE ISN’T FUCK’N WIT JAY…LiL wayne…lil nigga lil wayne…umm…

    “unh, you “lil” niggaz ain’t deep you dumb, you niggaz ain’t gangsta you gum, I chew “lil” niggaz
    hock-too, spew “lil” niggaz, I can only view “lil” niggaz like “lil” niggaz
    but in lieu of “lil” niggaz trying to play that boy, I phew phew “lil” niggaz with the latest toy
    unlike you “lil” nigga, I’m a grown ass man, big shoes to fill nigga, grown ass pants
    prolly hustled with your pops, go ask your parents its apparent you’re staring at a legend
    who, put a few “lil” niggaz in the they place before trying to eat without saying they grace before
    blasphemous bastard get your faith restored you’re viewing your version of the lord god
    mc “lil” nigga, applaud, or forever burn in the fire that I spit at y’all I rebuke you “lil” nigga
    the meek shall parish, ill roof you “lil” nigga, Im a project terrorist, cute you “lil” niggaz
    think you in my class subsitute “lil” niggaz soon feel my wrath, I mute you “lil” niggaz
    you a “lil” nigga, I shall abuse you “lil” nigga, I’m a ill nigga, now shoot you “lil” niggaz
    go somewhere and play, cuz the day I loose to you “lil” niggaz, no day”…

    common lyrically yes..he is fuckn wit Jay…but he’s not an artist of Jay’s calibur…Common’s really deep down hip hop….Jay is hip hop the tru definition..he’s more of an artist compared to “Ghost, Rae, NaS, Cappadona, Snoop, Ice Cube, Too Short” these artist are Stuck on I-95 south…they’re stuck’ in one direction…they either sound the same or talk about the same things…jay has shown progression…no artist is gonna be able to get away with throw’n paint on an eisle and claiming it a masterpiece…after awhile ppl get used to the style and want to see something new…everything has evolved…from the abacus to the calculator…from the Thompson M1921 to the AR-15…Jay’s jus shown growth in the game…oh yea…and why entertain jimmy jones…he explain’d… that something like this…: you know ppl get a hot lil song and you know u can walk in to the club and finally hear you own joint and the audience is rock’n wit it…now you have to hear the response…”ITS BROOKLYN”…..and last but not least…PROPS TO Thomas who posted on January 26th, 2007 at 12:12 am ….

  • http://www.kaisorsosa.com Kaisor Sosa

    Comparing Jay Z to Grant Hill is foolish. Grant Hill was an All Star in his prime but his career was plagued with injuries. Jigga has had a consistent career and released maybe not all classic albums but is more consistent than others when it comes to his catalogue. I could see how you wouldnt compare him to Jordan but calling him Grant Hill is semi disrespectful.

  • http://xxl.com droopy

    get off hov DICK BROOKLYN catts runrap jay , fab ,papoose the names keep cominng

  • Duro

    actually Jay is MJ of the rap game ckuz like MJ they were both better in there younger days and when they tryed 2 ckome back they Both flopped ckuz they didn’t had it no more.

    real talk

  • dropps

    this has be the dumbest shit i ever heard

  • dropps

    wow this has be the dumbest shit i ever heard

  • dropps

    wow this has be the dumbest shit i ever heard

  • http://YAHOO FUCK U WANT MY NAME 4

    ARE YOU FUCKIN CRAZY…FUCKIN YOUNGS THINKIN DIPSET R GREAT NOW A DAYZ…

  • http://xXLMAG jb-da b.stuy reppa

    This is the dumbest shit I ever read. Who has the resume of Jay? Nobody!!!!! Classic albums, singles he’s done it all. I’m tired of dudes
    trying to disrespect Jay. If he was to pass away right now everyone would say how great he was. He’s top 5 dead or alive!!!!! Another question: Would anyone would be talking about Tupac if he died after his first two albums? Exactly!!!! Show Jay his respect. FYI Ghostface is not better then Jay!!!!!!!!! Or Nas!!!!!!!!! Or Beans!!!!!! Hell the list goes on!!!! lol!!

  • http://comcast d.

    This article is dead wrong!!!!!