Tony Draper, Dishonorable Mention

When VH1 announced that this year’s Hip-Hop Honors award show was going to pay homage to the dirty south, the greater rap community below the Mason-Dixon line seemed poised to get their just due. However, when the lineup of honorees was announced—including such pioneers as Jermaine Dupri, J. Prince of Rap-A-Lot Records, 2 Live Crew, Organized Noize, and Master P—some felt a few key names were missing from the lineup. Even Luther “Luke” Campbell, who’ll be honored alongside his 2 Live Crew members, voiced his discontent with the show for limiting his tribute to music and not his business acumen as the first artist to own his own label.

Now another trailblazing executive has come forward to express his disappointment with this year’s Hip-Hop Honors. Founding the legendary Suave House Records at just 16 years old, Tony Draper has been a influential force in the music industry for over 20 years. Completely independent, the Houston-based mogul introduced the masses to the likes of 8Ball & MJG, Tela and former Geto Boy, Big Mike, selling millions of records and earning plaques along the way. Draper also used his keen business sense to help Cash Money secure their six-figure deal with Universal back in 1998, as well as stepping in to negotiate the Clipse’s long-delayed release from Jive and was instrumental in Ice Cube’s comeback album, Laugh Now, Cry Later, becoming the highest selling indie album of 2006, with 650,000 copies sold.

Although Draper isn’t as visible as some executives, it’s clear that his behind-the-scenes work is right on par with his peers and friends that will grace the Hip-Hop Honors stage next month. XXLMag.com caught up with the industry vet to get his take on this year’s awards and to get his thoughts on the game.

XXLMag.com: What’s at the root of your issues with being left off VH1’s Hip-Hop Honors dirty south honorees?

Tony Draper: It’s like I don’t know how VH1 is putting their information together, but you’re speaking on Southern music and you’re speaking on the culture of Southern hip-hop and you’re speaking on people that have influence—the Rick Rosses, the Jeezys, the T.I.s and Ludacris’s and all those guys. Then it goes in this order: there’s Luke as the godfather, there’s J. Prince as well as the godfather, then it comes me, Tony Draper. I started Suave House at 16 years old. I put together one-stop distributors and made nationwide distribution at a time when that was unheard of. When I first came to New York in ’94, I did a distribution deal and kept ownership of all my masters. I was the first young Southern kid to own his masters as a teenager; nobody else was doing that. So when you speak on the culture of hip-hop, Southern hip-hop, then those guys they definitely looked up to big Luke, they definitely looked up to J. Prince, but they also looked up to Suave House… So when you mention Southern hip-hop and you don’t mention Tony Draper then your facts is wrong.

XXLMag.com: Have you spoken to anyone over at VH1 about being overlooked for your contributions to hip-hop?

Tony Draper: No. I feel like if you’re doing an essay it’s your business to get your facts together. It ain’t my business to tell you your business. I know what I done and they supposed to honor that and respect the whole movement.

XXLMag.com: Do you think it’s just a matter of the South being such a big region and the show’s producers not knowing everything being that they’re based in New York?

Tony Draper: Being from the South we never had a opportunity, like the parent companies were based in New York and Los Angeles, so if you trying to get on it probably was easier for a East Coast rapper to get on… Coming from the South I didn’t have that type a luxury and I’m glad I didn’t have that type a luxury. My situation was I built my own.

XXLMag.com: The same could be said for Luke, who came out recently with criticism of Hip-Hop Honors?

Tony Draper: When I heard VH1 didn’t really wanna honor Luke for being a contributor I knew that they was totally off base ’cause Luke sold millions of records with 2 Live Crew, Luke did Poison Clan… Then, he came to Houston and got a group called H-Town. They sold millions a records, so that just shows me right there the facts ain’t all the way on point.

XXLMag.com: Aside from yourself, who else do you think needs to be honored from the dirty south?

Tony Draper: How you don’t honor 8Ball & MJG? How you don’t honor Three 6 Mafia? Three 6 Mafia came out with the crunk… Where’s the boy Lil’ Jon? …Where’s Cash Money? …I think Ted Lucas is missing. He’s an incredible executive. Coming out of Miami, Miami wasn’t known for anything but Luke and then for Ted to come up with Trick Daddy and they did extremely big numbers… But there wouldn’t be no Memphis hip-hop if it wasn’t for myself, 8Ball & MJG, Three 6 Mafia, Tela, Gangsta Pat, these are just guys that paved the way. What I’m sayin’ is that sometimes we only really recognize the artist if they’re getting real commercialized—that’s not the artist that the people in the South, those gutta, gangsta people in the South, be embracing’… So for you not to recognize Tony Draper, it’s a real slap in the face. It’s a real slap in the face. And when you go to these ghettos in Atlanta, these ghettos in Memphis, these ghettos in Houston, these ghettos in Dallas, these ghettos in Louisiana, and you in Birmingham, and you ask them who you grew up listening to, most of them will say Suave House.

XXLMag.com: Because a lot of your success has been independent and for the most part off the mainstream radar, a lot of people might know your name but not your accomplishments. Do you think that could be part of why you were overlooked?

Tony Draper: You know what, that’s a true way to look at it, but you gotta understand something as well. The person that I am, I’m not an animated man, I don’t look for the attention, I don’t wanna go to the parties and pop bottles and jump on tables. I don’t do none a that ’cause I don’t drink for one and I’m not into buying 10, 12 bottles a champagne, I’m not doing that. So at the end of the day I’m gonna sit back and just do my work. Here’s a prime example, when people was wondering what’s Tony Draper is doing, well, I made a very incredible income off the catalog that I’ve kept since I was a teenager and also, I was the point guard in ’06 when Ice Cube went independent with Lynch Mob Records. He sold 600,000 copies independently and people act like the man didn’t do that. He did that with Tony Draper involved in his business. ’Cause nobody else was selling records independently but me. So when me and my friend Cube hooked up and he said, “Man, I want you to come join me and help me with my situation,” it was an honor because I’ve always been a fan but of course I knew the right moves my man had to make ’cause the music of course was gonna always be good.

XXLMag.com: Do you plan on watching Hip-Hop Honors this year?

Tony Draper: Hell no! I’m gonna tell you something, when I started Suave House there was no such thing as Southern hip-hop. I guess that came from an East Coast person’s category of Southern hip-hip. Yeah, I’m from the South but there wasn’t a thing as “Southern hip-hop.” When I started my company my whole thing was you had to be dope—it ain’t where you from, you just gotta be dope. Scarface and me was tighter than friends, he from the South but he wasn’t just doing it for the South he was doing it for the world, and when I started Suave I was doing it for the world. So it wasn’t a day where I’m like I’m just tryin’ to cater to the South, no! I wanted it to be reached in L.A. I wanted it to be reached in New York. I wanted to be embraced by all sides ’cause I embraced all sides… People always say what happened to our music? What happened to our music is that it’s the wrong people in power, that’s what happened to our music.

XXLMag.com: How do you think that’ll affect the next generation of hip-hop fans?

Tony Draper: I look at the game and say you know, when you’re speaking to young people sometimes a young person is very naïve and they believe what they hear and they believe what they see. So if they see the dirty South VH1 honorees and don’t see Tony Draper or Suave House, that’s gonna paint a picture in their brain like, “Wow, maybe Tony didn’t really do that much for the South,” and in all honesty that’s not true. I did wonders for the South…

XXLMag.com: What if VH1 turned around and decided to add you to the show. Would you accept?

Tony Draper: Well, if they turned around and said they wanna honor me that’d be real false and fake ’cause I already know… I just think that it’s an oversight but it’s a bad oversight. VH1 might say, well, we really couldn’t get everyone on the show. Well, that don’t count with me ’cause the show starts with Luke then it goes to J. Prince and then it goes to me. —Anslem Samuel

  • Anonymous

    I”m from NY and I know this mans history VH1 should be ashamed of them selves

    • crawlrawl

      I feel you Anonymous (1st comment). I’m from Ludington, MI (you probably never heard of it) and I know about Draper and Suave House. They were a big part of what we were listening to back in High School, and I still have some of their CDs. VH1 needs to do their homework. I realize it would be impossible to honor everyone from the south that deserves it, but c’mon.

    • t-dubb

      what it do im from h-town sunnyside tx and we have a suavehouse artist crime boss and down south he known as mr.lay it down here comes the one who say fire up that fry and get high and get head rushed all we know is suavehouse 8ball@mjg pimp type comin out hard all in the game classic music if crime boss would not have tripped out on fry he was one of the hardest gangsta rapper in the game is first album is still known as one of the hardest album in history just ask the streets tony draper give that boy one more shot for ole time sake let that boy get some money he a legend

  • M. Baby!

    How do you not mention Sauve House, Three 6 Mafia, Cash Money, Outkast, 8-Ball & MJG…and those are just the ones that happened to gain attention from the south. What about Fat Pat, Devin The Dude, Soulja Slim, Playa Fly, even Lil Flip. I’m from S.C. and I was listening to Lil Wayne when I was in middle school. Most people don’t know about The Hot Boys first solo album Get It How U Live. Big Tymers – How U Luv That. All of B.G.’s albums. Playa Fly – Nobody Needs Nobody. This is a disgrace. But Tony Draper said the most important thing. The wrong people are in control of the music today, that’s why music is the way it is now.

  • ally1

    I googled your name {SMH} Tony Draper Don’t even have a Wiki page?!?!

    • Enlightened

      Google Suave House then.

      Tony Draper = Suave House

    • michi

      dats a lie!!!try again….

  • ally1

    I Lied there is one but’s its rather small ROFL

    • Anonymous

      Tony Draper everyone knows the name //// Ally1 no disrespect but u may be a little too young to be up on this movement…. I can tell by your Google comment… But if u did your home work you’ll see what we in the South are talking bout…..
      every hood had their crew that did it bigger then big in their day…. That crew that change the game and added something to it… i believe Tony Draper got Black balled because NY labels don’t want young blacks to own anything especially their own labels… That takes crazy money off their tables…. But the illest thing is the South and the West Coast ( Bay Area ) been selling their own records own their own labels since the late 80′s and 90′s while NY wanted deals…It’s funny how things change and people change faster….The South do not need New Yorks blessings tell VH1 take their award and stuff it in their u knowwwwwwwwwww.

  • GetUpWithUs

    I understand holding them accountable, but the whole “how they gonna disrepect ____, _____, and ____!?!?” thing is bullshit. They cannot induct every single person who is arguably worthy. Taking it as disrespect is childish and then saying that he would deny it if they offered to include him is even worse. Much respect to this dude for all that he has accomplished but it seems like he’s been fine with staying low key and handling his business without fanfare for his entire career. Now his introduction to the masses will be as a bitter, old, selfish asshole.

    “A young person is very naïve and they believe what they hear and they believe what they see. So if they see the dirty south VH1 honorees and don’t see Tony Draper or Suave House, that’s gonna paint a picture in their brain like, “Wow, maybe Tony didn’t really do that much for the South,” and in all honesty that’s not true. I did wonders for the South…”

    Really?

  • http://xxlmag.com billi cobley

    1 word …….. OUTKAST.

  • The_Truth

    **ONE OF THE BEST ARTICLES I’VE EVER READ ON XXL!

    Tony Draper was one of the MOST important figures in HIP-HOP HISTORY. . .seeing the game being dominated by the South, is like America taking George Washington or Abe Lincoln out of history books.

    This shows the mainstream is still ignorant to what the south is really about.

  • clevaminded

    they need to make the same apology that they made to farrah fawcet when they left her tribute at the oscars this year. They apologized and I feel VH1 needs to do the same by Tony Draper. I guess its the industry “Wicked Ways” talking.

  • Ace Wonders

    I’m in school with this dude son right now! Dominic Draper at Alief Taylor High School. Wierd?

  • Lowedwn

    Man I’m from Cali born and raised an even I know the foundation for “Southern Hip-Hop” especially labels, is J. Prince, Luke & Tony Draper. Shit, his label set the protype for how most southern and independent artists advertised in magazines like the Source back in the early 90s. The promos for Ball & MJG’s “Coming out Hard” and “Space Age Foreva” were copied for years by everyone from Dangerous Records, Cash Money, No Limit and Slip N Slide. Shit the crazy thing is when I first heard them announce this I fgured it was automatic, I was thinking to myself alright that’s J. Prince & Rap-A-Lot, Luke, Draper & Suave House, I just hope they don’t disrespect Organized Noize, man they messed up.

    And the Organized Noize set better be 45 min plus, because its so much bigger than just Outkast & Goodie Mob and that needs to be reflected.

  • The_Truth

    **Draper basically MADE Pen &Pixel (early-late 90′s album art covers). . .The entire South copied that from Suave House. (West Coast was heavy into Phunky Phat Graphix at that time)

    Do your research–Draper has to be mentioned.

  • what

    Maybe it’s because VH1 isn’t actually looking to honor the people that actually paved the way for others to be here today. They looking for ratings. Most people aren’t gonna sit through five minutes of hagiography for some record exec they’ve never heard of.

  • NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH

    IN ORDER FOR THE YOUNGSTERS OF TODAY TO BE ABLE TO DO WHAT THEY’RE DOING, THEY FIRST MUST RECOGNIZE AND KNOW THEIR HISTORY. ALOT OF THE SWAGER AND THINGS THATS GOING ON NOW, COME FROM TONY DRAPER AND SUAVEHOUES!!!! I MEAN COME ON, HE IS THE FIRST BLACK CEO TO OWN HIS MASTERS!!! REALISTICALLY, VH1 DON’T WANT TO INCLUDE TONY DRAPER BECAUSE HE’S TOO SMART OF A BUSINESS MAN, MEANING HE CAN TEACH THE YOUTH ABOUT OWIING THEIR OWN MASTERS, CREATING A CATALOG SO YOU’LL NEVER BE BROKE, PUBLISHING AND POINTS. THEY WANT US TO CONTINUE TO CELEBRATE BUYING GOLD CHAINS, CARS, ALCOHOL, ETC… DO YOUR RESEARCH ON TONY DRAPER AND SUAVEHOUSE AND YOU WILL SEE WHO CREATED THE SOUND OF THE SOUTH, WITH LIVE INSTRUMENTS, ETC… WHO WAS THE FIRST TO PUT ARTIST LIKE, BIG BOI & ANDREA 3OOO ON SONGS WHEN THEY WERE NOBODY, WHO WAS THE FIRST OUT OF THE SOUTH TO COLAB WITH NEW YORK AND PUT 8BALL & MJG ON MASE ALBUM. THESE SHORT OF BUSINESS MOVES WERN’T BEING MADE BY ANYONE FROM THE SOUTH. WATCH YOUR DISRESPECT WHEN YOU MENTION THE HONORABLE TONY DRAPER, OR SHOULD I SAY, WATCH YOUR DISRESPECT WHEN YOU DON’T MENTION, TONY DRAPER!!!!!!!

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  • Erica

    I’m from Kansas City and moved to Houston in 93. All we listened to was Suave House in the 90′s! In KC Tony Draper had big FANS… He def is THE pioneer of the South as well as the midwest.

  • Anonymous

    THAT’S WHAT HAPPENS TO THE BLACK MAN WHEN THE WHITE GUYS GET POWER…. THEY DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO…. BUT THEN AGAIN WHAT DOES ANYONE IN NEW YORK REALLY KNOW ABOUT THE DIRTY SOUTH? NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING AT ALLLLLLL… VH1 IS BOOTY….

  • Anonymous

    SOUTH HOUSE HAD A SOUND THAT ROCKED THE SOUTH…. YEA LUKE HAD THE CHICKS RAP A LOT WAS DOING THEIR THING BUT NO BODY HAD THE SWAGGER AND CLASS OF SUAVE HOUSE — VH1 BETTER DO YA HOME WORK… BESIDES HOW DID VH1 GET A DOWN SOUTH ANYTHING…. WHAT DO THEY KNOW BOUT THE SOUTH….

  • ATL ALLDAY

    Man i’m from Atl and i grew up on suave house and Tony Draper. Its not a diss to outkast, or ti or anyone from here but Tony Draper and suavehouse is where alot of these groups get their sound and hustle from. To the ignorant people on here commenting about goggle him and all that, the fact is without him, we would be in a different place with southern hip hop. VH1 and these new york execs should do their homework before putting on shows like this or better yet, get someone who knows the history to put the lineup together. Thats the problem, the shot callers are too far out of touch. We should create our own show and honor the true pioneers of souther hip hop. Lets make it happen XXL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    Fu*k vh1 they stupid…. Fire whom ever is in charge. The music industry is fake from the artist to the label heads…. NY executives always have been and always will be dumb when it comes to the South…. The south and up North are two different machines… But up top they wanna size up the South like it were NY. That would be like giving NY hip hop a honor show with out Russle Simmons… Certain folks u just can’t take out of the equation… Sugar Hill Gang , Curtis Blow ??? they inspired others that inspired others till now we have the Diddy”s , Jigga’S up top…. and that’s funny becauce I remember when no one knew about the south in 94/96… New York cats are lost when it comes to the South. Thats why when the South gott hot every rapper up top went from the Premire sound to the triple count drums… everyone… Jayz did a soung wit UGK >>.. man al I have to say is I’m from NY and NY cats are a trip in this music game for real for real…. They never had a clue and still don,t they just want to sell records in the south… But they don’t understand the Souths culture at all…. I bouth Flex to the South in 97 ??? Flex thought we were riding horses down here… but we picked him up in Vipars , Benze , trucks , TV’s every where >>>> chrome rims wit kits… NY cats wasn’t riding like that yet…. Puffy got is frist Bently after he saw this dude Draper’s joint… U have to watch those cats up top… They will steal ya shine quick.. but they don’t know sh*t… If they did.. Jay z and B will be selling their own records instead of chasing checks…. but hey NY NY right…

  • Anonymous

    How can you even consider SOUTHERN HIP HOP and NOT include SUAVEHOUSE/Tony Draper? As Draper said himself “if you’re doing an essay it’s your business to get your facts together. It ain’t my business to tell you your business. I know what I done and they supposed to honor that and respect the whole movement” Someone did NOT do they homework. Obviously the Execs of VH1 dont know about the “SOUTHERN MOVEMENT and HISTORY OF THE MUSIC” …Hence…The Ignorance and Oversight. PERIOD.

  • What It Do

    Here they go again!! I say we create our own show and honor Tony Draper, Outkast, etc… the shows are not for the true southern hip hop fans anyway… how does VH1 get off doing a southern hip hop show anyway. They know our music is running things right now and they want to get in on it. Tony Draper is a trendsetter and leader in the south and like any black leader, they want to tear him down by not recognizing his many accomplishments. Tony Draper created the pimp sound that is so heavily in todays music. Tony Draper created stars that most don’t even know he did. You may know of a guy named Rick Ross, well ask him about an exec in Houston texas that groomed him. Ask a platinum producer named T-mix that up until recently did most of Cash money beats, Lil Wayne included. VH1 check your facts before you attempt to create a southern hip hop show. We might need to boycott yall.

  • Anonymous

    Yo I’m from South Jamaica Queens 150th & South RD /// 160th & 107th ave …. Baisley projects and 40 p’s,, Far rockaway too son.. Yo I remember them dudes yo…. Back in the day when the source mag was hip hops bible thats all u would see was the double page spread on them cats…. I remember I frist heard 8Ball and MJG I was with a homie my dude RichKidd from Queens. He gave me a cds in the projects and cats were throwing them away but I jammed mine because it had a different jazzy sound… But This takes me back when NY was str8 NY if it didn’t come from NY they crapped on it… South and West Coast was looked down upon by NY…. But I also remember one day this dude RichKidd had put together a street team to work South music in NY in 94 ( 8Ball and MJG )… NY cats didn’t understand the culture the vibe they couldn’t get pass how slow the flow was… Down south wasn’t tripping on the flow they just looked up to NY cats for starting rap music and wanted to make music about their culture. South cats always had a different view of how to make and sell a record…. Tony Draper’s era taught me that u can make your own path by hustling… NY cats mental were lets make a demo shop for a record deal…. even till this day after 50 cent everything is about a mixtape which took away the craft of making a good record… But that’s NY cats everything fast and half azz…I’m still in the projects but now we play lil wayne more then Jay z… lol Down South cats will make a record and sell it them self… and make a good living doing it… But just look at us in the NY u will see how the South has won us over…. One of the biggest rappers to ever come from NY if not the biggest went to Houston (DS) and fell in love with it… All the records had the South flow in them and then he marry B whom happens to be from the South….. Come on man can’t be madd at the South… So why not big up Tony Draper because back then I rocked the Ghetto boys and 8ball MJG non stop wit 2pac and Celly cell …. yes sir… TD these cats up here may have forgot but I never did…. I been waiting for a new Suave House release for ever and still waiting…if u read this drop another album on these fools and they’ll jump right back on board again…

  • Blazer

    That’s funny look who they have with them //// Fab fibe Freddy from back in the whom I only remember from video show hosting and he produce blondi I believe… another joke is Nelson George wrote for Vibe Magazine whom I thought poured gas on the East coast West Coast beef back then with Death Row… You have to watch folks right now because they wanna mis guide the youth on everything… So there is no honor in their teaching if anything if u don’t have a Southern panel with Southern Judges with Southern everything… Then really what VH1 is having is a East Coast Down South award show….. Thats what NY do…. They steal ya sh*t…. Why the WEst Coast or the South don’t have their own stuff…. West Coast award show or Down South joint thats sponsard by the same sponsorship NY gets…. It’s all bout the money…. it’s smoke and mirrors… NY is scared another region will be crowned king of hip hop so they keep the real pioneers that will teach you how to own your own away so they can keep u dumb. But check this out how many records did or do VH1 support from the South>>> And what do they do for the south , what have they ever done for the South… What will they ever do for the South… tahts funny ( lol ) Fab Fibe Freedy and Nelson George u talking about the blind leading the blind ( WOW )….. That will be like me writing a story about hip hop in europe without doing my history and just big up whom ever is hot now…. There’s a lot of facts that are missing VH1 knows nothing about East Coast rap never the less Southern rap… Big Up to FFF Yo tell Blondi we said hello…..

  • Bone

    Man I was just looking at the page and ran across this article on Tony Draper… That’s my nigga!! I have watched this man from prison and the way he markets records was amazing.. This is trouble for the game and VH1 needs to understand.. The real people never watched and never wanted to follow Jermaine Dupri don’t get me wrong he’s good at what he do.. But Luke, J Prince and Tony Draper are the niggas I wanted to follow in this music game! Damn VH1 y’all fucked up again!! Stay up T Draper!!

  • TruckTurner

    Not including Tony Draper and Suave House in the conversation about southern hip-hop is ridiculous. To not include Draper in a conversation about successful hip-hop labels period, is ridiculous. Suave House laid a blue print that was copied by labels all across the country. From the Pen & Pixel artwork, to laying original grooves and not just sampled loops. And he did it as an independent label WAY before it got cool to be independent. EVERY artist and label was looking for a major label deal while Draper already knew that being independent and owning your shit was the way to stay paid. Today everybody screams that “we independent” thing, but for 99% of them it’s because they have to be. The major deals aren’t out there like they were 10 years ago. And when Draper did take a deal with a major distributor, he dropped a triple disc classic with the 8Ball “Lost” album.
    I’m in California and to this day the Suave House catalog is apart of my favorite music. Rap-A-Lot and Luke did major damage, but Suave House was the label everyone copied.
    And “ally1″ – No disrespect, but if you had to Google Tony Draper then you’re not ready for a a thread about him and Southern Hip Hop. That’s probably what happened with VH1.

  • Bigplay

    UGK needs to be added 2 the list of VH1 snubs. But I don’t give VH1 honors any love because they didn’t embrace hiphop as music from the jump. They always used to dissed rap music. fuck vh1

  • Anonymous

    FU*K VH1 THEY NEED TO STICK WIT POP AND TOP 40….
    WHITE FOLKS GOT FAB FIBE FREDDY WHOM DON’T KNOW SH*T ABOUT THE SOUTH…. SO THERE U HAVE IT /// JUST ANOTHER CHECK FOR HIM THAT ALL…. FFF ISN’T EVEN RELEVANT TO EAST COAST HIP HOP RIGHT NOW… YO VH1 DO YA HOME WORK !!!! THS DA SOUTH NOT CORNY AZZ NEW YORK !!! ALREADY

  • Willi Rags

    I’m from Philly and I was on 8 Ball & MJG back in high school in 94-95. I know Draper’s work, and I saw how in 06 Ice Cube’s “Laugh Now Cry Later” was everywhere, Raw Footage was everywhere. This cat certainly deserves his props, and most major label acts don’t go gold with the big machine behind them. Grass roots know how will never be respected, for what it is, street smarts and swagger at the highest level! But the proof is in the pudding, keep doin’ ya thing Draper, if the world don’t know, your bank account will!…

  • D-Thorn

    Seriously?People are mad about not getting recognized by VH1? VH1?

  • http://asianmanflavor@msn.com West Coast

    yeah Tony Draper did wonders for the south he robbed 8ball & MJG and other cats …. they didn’t add this fool because he was busy stealing from the legends. Im still mad at this fool for not putting a follow up album to the Big Mike, or give Tela the push he deserved.

  • HTown

    WEST COAST, YOU DUMB F*CK NI**GA, YOU AINT FROM NO WEST COAST, YOU SOUND LIKE ONE OF THOSE P*SSY A** HATIN CATS FROM HOUSTON THAT DON’T KNOW SH*T ABOUT WHAT YOU’RE TALKN ABOUT. COWARDS LIKE YOU SAY STUFF LIKE THAT THEN HIDE BEHIND YOUR EMAIL NAME. 8BALL & MJG WERE ONE OF THE BEST PAID RAP ARTIST IN THE INDUSTRY. IF I GIVE YOU A MILLION DOLLARS AND YOU SPEND 999,999 ON BITCHES, CARS AND ETC… ITS NOT MY FAULT THAT YOU RAN THRU YOUR MONEY. IF YOURE A GROWN MAN AND I SAY I WILL PAY YOU X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS FOR EVERY RECORD SOLD AND THATS WHAT YOU GET, ITS NOT MY FAULT IF LATER YOU LET OUT SIDERS COME AND BLOW YOUR HEAD UP TO THINK YOU SHOULD BE GETING MORE WHEN ALL IT TAKES IS TO SIT DOWN AND RE WORK THE CONTRACT. 8BALL & MJG HAVE NOT BEEN AS BIG AS THEY WERE SINCE THEY LEFT SUAVEHOUSE, NEITHER HAS TELA. (REVEAL YOURSELF COWARD)

    • mike

      Real Talk! hahaha

  • http://www.relentlessent.com Blaze

    How can you not include Tony Draper? He is one of the hardest working music executives from the South. He blazed his own way! He opened up so many doors for artist from the South. Now he’s showing Ice Cube how to get that independent money! Ask Cube, he’s a legend. He knows what Draper is about!

  • STREET BOY

    WOW!!! LUKE, J.PRINCE & TONY DRAPER PAVED THE WAY FOR THE SOUTH TO RISE!! EACH ONE OF THESE GUYS HAD THERE OWN SOUND… VH1 DIDN’T DO THERE HOMEWORK ON THIS ONE! I RESPECT DRAPER AND EVERYTHING HE HAS DONE, PLUS BEING SO YOUNG DOING IT. I TRIED RUNNING MY OWN INDIE COMPANY, ITS HARD WORK!!! CONGRATS TO ALL THE PEOPLE THATS BEING HONOR…, LIKE DRAPER SAID..IT GOES IN THIS ORDER LUKE, J PRINCE AND TONY DRAPER… I DON’T THINK THIS INTERVIEW WAS DISSING ANYONE?, THE MAN IS JUST TRYING TO GET HIS POINT ACROSS. STAY UP T. DRAPER!!

  • Anonymous

    This shit is a sin and a shame. Im willing to bet EVERYTHING I OWN that you can ask ANY southern rapper over 21 thats relevant right now who music they grew up on and somebody from Suave House is in the top 5. Im from GA and coming up it was 8ball MJG, Outkast, and Goodie Mob. Them was our fucking heros!!! Then came Master P and Cash Money. Man Im glad Draper came out and spoke on this. VH1 on that bullshit!!!!

  • no hate

    THAT IS PITIFUL. I grew up in Houston on Rap-A-Lot, Big Time/Jive (UGK), Suave House, No Limit, LaFace, and Cash Money, probably in that order. I wasn’t that big on Luke even though it was played quite a lot around me.

    I wasn’t even aware of all the business aspects of his influence, but T-Draper was as much responsible for developing the southern sound as any one of those others, especially from the standpoint of nurturing musically inclined artistry. T-Mixx was hurtin’ ‘em back then with them tracks, cuz!!! Everybody can’t be mentioned on one show, but leaving him out IS an oversight, whether it’s intended or not.

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  • adrian smith birmingham england

    shame on vh1 the whole south should be on the list 2 many names 2 mention

  • http://www.bboycult.com $yk

    I don’t fux w/VH1 anyway because of fukkery like this.

    I say 2 things:

    1. Everybody who ain’t feeling this go 1515boys (MTV) and flood their comment sections expressing our dislike of this action.

    2. When the show comes on wait ’til the dedication starts and switch the channel. The viewer drop will have them assholes going bananas.

    I don’t expect them to have EVERYBODY there, but Tony Draper should get his recognition for putting in that work.

  • 3263

    It’s VH1 people what do you expect?

  • NefariousSun

    I actually liked this article… and damn everybody had somethin somewhat knowledgeable to say.VH1 historically never embraced our culture. Anyone of the age remember what their programming used to be like.. mad corny.. Them having an award show is really about exploiting and making money off of the culture, and less about honouring the pioneers. When this so called award show comes on watch the advertising spots(commercials) during the show…See how much bullshit they gonna try to sell us…or program us to want……Anyways, shame on’em for not honouring the legend T.Draper

  • Big S.O.S.A (since 79) tm

    VH1 should’ve known that, if they are going to do a so called tribute to the South, then they will have to bring in quite a few names. Tony Draper and Suave House should be there. Outkast should be there. DJ Screw & the Screwed Up Click should be there! Slip & fuckin Slide!! Three 6 Mafia!! VH1 need to either add on the list and just make it a longer show, or do a two part tribute because they are missing important names..

  • NefariousSun

    So their inducting Jermaine Dupri, but not Dallas Austin? like i said historically lame..

  • don king

    I’m no Dirty South aficionado, but even I’m aware of Tony Draper and Suave House. The thing is he never courted the fame or promoted himself as a celebrity in the way that so many others have done. Not only that, but everyone else on that list (except for maybe J Prince) had a career as a rap artist, rather than just an exec. True, J Prince is on the list but that’s because Rap-A-Lot were arguably the first big indie label that everyone took notice of – yes, Suave House were the next label to do that but there has to be a cut off point, otherwise you’d end up honouring everyone who ever opened up a record label! If he were to be given some award next year would that be such a big deal or is his ego so fragile that if he isn’t recognised with the first draft of Southern rap he’s gonna throw his toys out of the pram…

    Anyway, his achievements tower over some bullshit recognition from some half arsed awards show.

  • Will

    VH1 don’t give a fuck about rap, whenever they do those 100 lists they have some snide and goofy nerd jokes to say about rap songs chosen, but whenever a rock song comes on everyones so damn insightful… I didn’t expect VH1 to get this right, surprised they even knew who J Prince and Organized Noise was

  • D-Lee

    VH1 is a JOKE!!!! What they doing is all about the money VH1 isn’t worried about southern history or what the people think that made it happen… They had to put this show on, The SOUTH RUN THE GAME!!!! T. Draper is an amazing CEO all artists have problems with there labels but what does that have to do with honoring the man for the work he has done? in 98 the best rap solo in hiphop came out and it was from SUAVE HOUSE artists 8BALL “LOST” READ THE CREDITS PEOPLE THE MAN BEEN CALLING HIMSELF… THE HONORABLE TONY DRAPER!! SOUTHWEST SIDE H-TOWN!

  • SKIBO

    VH1 should be kickin themselves in the a** for not doing proper research. This is what happens when the powers that be want to map out your culture, history and relevance. Honestly VH1, BET and all the Viacom companies need to stop having these Honors shows if they are not done correctly. The first dumb sh*t they say is…”well we couldn’t put everyone on the show”…if this is ever the case DO NOT GO FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT IF IT CANNOT BE DONE RIGHT PINT BLANK PERIOD!!! Draper team up with Luke and J Prince and put out a real documentary about hip hop from the south perspective. We cannot rely on anyone else but ourselves when it comes to our story…not HIS-STORY! Then like Draper said these kids getting the wrong representation of who did what and who is who, etc….we gotta take control since we created this thing called HIP-HOP! I will not be watching the latest version of HIP-HOP Honors and won’t until the get it correct with consulting the right people to have it like its supposed to be!!!

  • SKIBO

    I apologize for my typos, I was typing faster than I was thinking. If you are remotely educated I’m sure you could figure out where I was coming from…plus I’m at work multi-tasking…lol…but for real we need to ban all these false representations of our music, culture, etc…peace and power to the PEOPLE!!!

  • Anonymous

    Tony Draper and Suave House is Southern Music. I grew up on ball & G, Crime Boss shit like that. I’m not even watching.

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  • sho nuff

    I’m from NYC and I was at Suave House! We weren’t doing south music, we were doing MUSIC!!! most of the guys at the label were multi-talented, I produced, engineered, mixed, and played live instruments on a lot of the records (check the bass on Tela’s Sho Nuff, or for that matter, the guitar on Mase’s The Player Way). VH-1 just doesn’t have the people with the knowledge of hip-hop beyond what’s happening in NYC, or LA…and let’s keep it that way….it’s VH-1!!!!

    • marvo

      All the newcomers from NY , shit he let them fuck him with no Vaseline drained his ass dry. But hey you never have any luck fucking over your own!

  • David

    Suave House is a legendary label. The music they put out was some space age p funk pimp shit. Eightball and Mjg was the franchise players. I loved SuaveHouse music so much, I included that into my yahoo presence. So I definitely know who T-mix is….

  • Ramon Reyes

    ok first off i dnt watch VH1. Second, who in the hell told VH1 Tony Draper should not be honored….is they crazy or just slow? Im from a lil town called Nashville Ga 15 miles from Valdosta Ga and we waz raised on Suave House period! 8Ball and MJG, Three Six, Tela, Big Mike, Crime Boss, Thorough, hell all of them…they wat made southern rap wat it is today…and Draper…he is and will always be honored in the south. FUCK VH1 and the any other bitch that roll with them

  • m-town

    mane tony draper is just like martin helping them end slavery if it wasnt for martin lurther king help we wouldnt be here today and it wasnt for tony music wouldnt be were it is today

  • Mack D 500

    SAY I”M MACK D 500 AND I’M A DALLAS OAK CLIFF RAPPER PUSHING MY OWN CD ,AND I WANT TO SIGN ON WITH YOU

  • Mack D 500

    SAY I”M MACK D 500 AND I’M A DALLAS OAK CLIFF RAPPER PUSHING MY OWN CD ,AND I WANT TO SIGN ON WITH YOU AS AN ARTIST IF THAT”S WHAT”S UP CALL MY GRANDMOTHER’S PHONE AND WISH HER A HAPPY MOTHERS DAY AND THE SAME TO YOU MOTHER 214-375-8917

  • Mack D 500

    SAY I”M MACK D 500 AND I’M A DALLAS OAK CLIFF RAPPER PUSHING MY OWN CD ,AND I WANT TO SIGN ON WITH YOU AS AN ARTIST IF THAT”S WHAT”S UP CALL MY GRANDMOTHER’S PHONE AND WISH HER A HAPPY MOTHERS DAY AND THE SAME TO YOUR MOTHER ALSO 214-375-8917 SHE WILL 9TIMES OUT OF 10 BE THE ONE THAT ANSWER THE PHONE.

  • Rene

    This man has a nerve to want to be acknowledged by any1 and anything he cant even stay current on his child support. His 1st two children are from my friend. So I know the facts. The story goes longer than that about his mother in her living condition. he is sorry!

  • aaron

    tony draper should be apart of this…he bought some doe music and had one of the best production teams in the game…