Kids, don’t do drugs. In a recent interview with XXLMag.com Ghostface Killah revealed why “The Sun”—the famed collaboration between him, Slick Rick and Raekwon—was not included on his third solo album, 2001’s Bulletpoof Wallets.
According to Tony, the song would have been included on the disc, but Rza misplaced the record that he sampled to create the beat. “Rza got high and couldn’t find the fucking loop,” Ghost explained to XXL. “He couldn’t find where he got the sample from. That’s why it wasn’t on there.” [Watch Below]
As die-hard Wu-Tang fans already know, “The Sun” wasn’t the only track that didn’t make Bulletproof’s final cut. “The Watch”—another classic Starks song that listeners were only able to hear on underground mixtapes—wasn’t added to track listing because Barry White didn’t approve the sampling of his, “I’m Gonna Love You Just A Little More Baby.” In addition, the original beat for “Flowers,” the collaboration between Ghost, Rae and Method Man on the album, also had to be changed due to sample clearance issues.
If everything would have gone as planned, production issues aside, the Shaolin wordsmith believes the album would have been able to stand up next to his most critically-acclaimed LP, 2000’s Supreme Clientele, as one of his best works.
Ghost has a new disc that hit shelves earlier this week. Ghostdini The Wizard of Poetry in Emerald City, his eighth solo disc, finds the versatile rapper rhyming in R&B mode. –Jesse Gissen
[Editor's note: Peep Pretty Toney's entire video interview with XXLMag.com here]
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October 2nd, 2009
at 8:18 am
Rap Radar :: RZA’s To Blame For “Bulletproof Wallets” Mixup says:
[...] with XXL, Ghostdini points the finger at RZA for Bulletproof Wallets’ shortcomings. He reveals The [...]
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October 2nd, 2009
at 8:35 am
Stimoroller says:
Ghostface’s bullet proof wallet was still the bomb even without all e’m tracks that could’nt make it into the album. I’m still bumping it up to this day and it is smashing. Cant wait to cop his l8est offering.
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October 2nd, 2009
at 9:08 am
Victoria Page says:
I thought Bullet Proof Wallets was good without those. I don’t feel like the lack those songs hurt the project, but they would have just served as an enhancement.
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October 2nd, 2009
at 10:14 am
Nah Right » Video: Ghostface Blames RZA For Bulletpoof Wallets Mix-up says:
[...] If everything would have gone as planned, production issues aside, the Shaolin wordsmith believes the album would have been able to stand up next to his most critically-acclaimed LP, 2000’s Supreme Clientele, as one of his best works. –Jesse Gissen [...]
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October 2nd, 2009
at 10:35 am
Ghostface Killah Blames Rza for Bulletproof Wallets Mix Up (Video) | 2dopeboyz says:
[...] an interview with XXL, GFK reveals why The Sun (the famed collaboration between him, Slick Rick & Raekwon) was not [...]
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October 2nd, 2009
at 10:43 am
brand-new says:
i always thoght bulletproof wallets was ghost’s weakest effort. that joint “never be the same” was hot though.
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October 2nd, 2009
at 11:01 am
Tony Starks says:
My favorite Ghosts albums are “Ironman” & “Supreme Clientele” even when i bump my “Only Built 4 Cuban Linx” album, to me Ghostface dominated that album although it was Rae’s album for real…those rhymes were murderous.
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October 2nd, 2009
at 11:49 am
Blakout615 says:
Ghost explained the bulletproof wallets mix up a couple months back XXl lol. So idk if yall was really gettin an exclusive right there
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October 2nd, 2009
at 12:05 pm
latino heat says:
am i the only one that wasn’t really felling The Pretty Tony Album? i’d say Ghost has 2 duds in his catalog. i agree 3 more songs wouldn’t have saved B.W. i’m not hearing too many good things about this new album either, sadly. usually Ghost is a monster on those r&b type songs.
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October 2nd, 2009
at 2:04 pm
Worley says:
Negative. That Pretty Toney Album knocks.
Kunta Fly Sh*t, Beat the Clock, Save Me Dear, It’s Over, Last Night, Holla, Ghostface, Be This Way, Run: all those joints are killa. Nowadays you would be lucky to get an album with nine bangin’ tracks. If Ghost has a dud it’s More Fish which he himself acknowledges as a compilation of Fishscale throwaways.
Wallets was that sh*t too. See Kin Camell’s commments below. Don’t sleep on the new Ghostdini either. That’s some grown man romance rap. Give it some time to sink in.
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October 2nd, 2009
at 4:07 pm
latino heat says:
am i the only one that thought More Fish was hot? i know it was throwaways but that shit was bangin to me.
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October 4th, 2009
at 9:42 pm
Dub Sac says:
More Fish might be my second favorite Ghost album. The cuts on there are hard - Gunz & Razors, Street Opera and Blue Armor are some of the toughest songs I’ve heard. There’s also some great storytelling songs - Out of Town Shit, Poker Face and Alex (Stolen Script.) Plus fewer skits that break up the flow of the songs.
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October 2nd, 2009
at 12:19 pm
brand-new says:
yeah i co-sign ya latino, i always forget about that album. that cd has been sitting on my shelf probaly since the day it came out…lol.
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October 2nd, 2009
at 12:22 pm
Blakout615 says:
A dud or 2 or not, I feel Ghost has 1 of the tightest album catalogues. Next to Jay’s,nas’,facemob’s,and a couple underground cats. Its 1 thing to make a good album & a couple of hits but its all about longevity at the end of the day.
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October 2nd, 2009
at 12:36 pm
Tony Grands says:
I downloaded “Sun” this morning, getting ready for a road trip. Nah, it wouldn’t have made any difference on the album.
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October 2nd, 2009
at 1:29 pm
tmoney6191 says:
@tony grands
dont mess with tmoney dont fuck around
niggas like you get their bodies hollowed out/
dont make me come find u,then unspine u
my flow sick,spit 1 line now u got the swine flu/
ill shatter ya dreams and at the same time splatter ur spleen
it doesn’t matter to me every rapper’s sumthin to eat/
I stand wit no fear, ur little threats can’t move me
u a fake gangster like an actor out the Godfather movie/
Shit man when I spit theres always someone ready to copy me
Cause I spit a deadly illness that infects u bodily/
lol its A tragedy
how u stay grounded while I’m so fly I’m bound to defy gravity
Yo Im crazy since i was a infant
crushin wack mcs in an instant/
u a fake,i can see it from a distance
the closer u get 2 me,da more u sweepin away ur existance/
But I keep the rhyme’s consistant, make u wish u neva insisted
My rhymes go deep,2battle me u gotta be water resistant/
b/c u might start sinkin,tony grands thats self proclaimed
niggas on the block dont know ya name/
Ill erase yo ass off the face of this planet
you wanna go against me Ill turn shit tragic/
and in front of ya mother make ya ass vanish like magic
I aint no stranger to weapons homie I have practice/
Dont even raise ya arm at me nigga Ill slash it
Ill aim a fuckin glock at ya ass and blast it!!!!!!!!
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October 2nd, 2009
at 3:14 pm
Tony Grands says:
@tmoney
Hmmm…
Not sure where that came from, but thanks for letting me know you’ve
admired previous verses I put up here. “Preciate that.
But, seriously my dude. It’s going to take a lot more than recycled myspace e-thug threats for my to waste time “battling” you. @ least give the commentors something substantial to read. That was lame.
Holler back.
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October 2nd, 2009
at 1:02 pm
HERM says:
I just burned another copy of mine, slapped The Watch and The Sun on there, and put it in the car. See, problem solved.
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October 2nd, 2009
at 1:04 pm
KiN CAMELL says:
PEACE,FROM THE BAY!
I REMEMBER “SUN” WAS ON THE TRACKLIST, BUT THE SONG WASN’T ON THE DISC,BUT MY FAM HAD THE SONG ON HIS COPY THOUGH. EVERY GHOST ALBUM = CLASSIC. I JUST BOUGHT “THE WIZARD OF POETRY”
YESTERDAY, & I’M SURE IT ANOTHER POTENT PROJECT/ALBUM.
COME VIBE;
KiN CAMELL(GOOGLE THAT)
MYSPACE.COM/KINSNSPACE
KiN CAMELL@IMEEM.COM
TWITTER.COM/KINSTWITT
http://WWW.BLACKPLANET.COM/KINSNSPACE
PEACE TO YOU & YOURS & YOURS & YOURS.
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October 2nd, 2009
at 1:10 pm
KiN CAMELL says:
“MAXINE” , “STRAWBERRY”, “FLOWERS”, “THEODORE”, “THE HILTON” ,”WALKING THROUGH THE DARKNESS”& “THE FOREST” WERE STELLAR SONGS OFF OF THE BULLETPROOF WALLETS ALBUM.-KiN CAMELL(GGOGLE THAT)
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October 2nd, 2009
at 2:01 pm
All Dae says:
if those songs and Good Times were included then yes BW would be SC status. My cover art had the original track listing and I called for a corrected one.
the album as it is is still a masterpiece.
speaking of masterpieces OB4CL2 is another classic out the gate. it’s amazing Raekwon captured the ultra violence tense pace of pt. 1. Wu Tangs running the undergroung at the moment and it’s going to take a solid album to take the spot. BP3 the only other album that can hang. and thats only cause Jays living it. musicaly Raekwon locked it.
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October 2nd, 2009
at 3:17 pm
newyawka631 says:
Shit son,this bird (Grand) got no balls.U know he sees this.He don’t want none of me.U see whut i did ta Macdatruest.He only cums on hea to drop some hate on 50,which usually has something to do wit dildos.Now he comments under a different name.Da ultimate ether……..
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October 2nd, 2009
at 3:46 pm
King B says:
The strawberry joint on the album is my shit
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October 2nd, 2009
at 5:24 pm
tmoney6191 says:
Well I slide in this for fun without need for a battle
come at me wrong and get slaughter like a caddel/
im Raps number 1, diss distributor
Body bag contributor/
Im a child abuser of ONE in particular
My homicides isnt vehicular/
dont get it twisted u wil neva b a hustla
ur lyrical perspective is as a customer/
in the game You lackin the ingredient, I drop hot shit expedient
You a pure joke in this game, but you ain’t a comedian/
meaning, its a joke when u hop on the track
Last thing ud be caught doin is poppin a gat/
My flow is ridiculous, everything but conspicuous
call? me jack from london wit the way I b rippin this/
U dont compare nigga this battle is unfair
hit u wit the 2 piece and leave ya vision impaired/
Put u in a wheelchair, straight comatose
done,I spit that hard rock, dont overdose/
Lyrically in the game my level is after the boss
It aint lookin good for u since our paths happened to cross/
My lyrics electrify, cause my “facts” shocks
I’m not talkin’ “keyboards” when my “CAPS” LOCK/
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October 3rd, 2009
at 5:32 am
Sleepy Wonder says:
Stick To Your Day Job Homie. And The Nigga Tony Grands Already Told You He’s Not Gonna Waste His Time With You, So Why You Still Typin’ Up Rhymes?
I Bet You’re The Type Of Dude That Still Tries To Stick It In After A Bitch Tells You No.
No Means No tmoney6191…
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October 3rd, 2009
at 10:47 am
tmoney6191 says:
@sleepy wonder
grands dont wanna write back b/c he already got beat w/o him writin…get off grands dick pussy
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October 3rd, 2009
at 11:05 am
Tony Grands says:
@tmoney69411976 (whatever)
Couple things….
Most of the time, niggas just start freestyle on open threads just because. When they do so, from what I’ve noticed, said niggas actually have to possess some type of skill @ “writing” rhymes, because there’s no music to feed from. Thus, we have to be able to intelligibly decipher a cadence, pattern & rhythm on our own. You failed @ like 96.4% of that. Three times in a row. If this were hockey, that would be the most terrible hat trick ever.
I’m not sure who you have as friends on myspace, but you should block them. They’re lying to you, & now have you embarrassing yourself in front of people like there’s any actual sustenance in your, ahem, raps. No dice. Real type my nigga; you’re dripping with wack juice & there’s not shit you, an MPC or Jesus Christ himself can do to change that.
Obviously unlike you, I do things. I don’t have time to play your erotic version of Word Tag. It seems you need a girlfriend, or boyfriend, no judgments.
Again, duck sauce raps aren’t worthy of my stopping, wasting Blackberry battery power just to prove to you that your English teacher was right about the amount of failure you’ll encounter in life.
Btw, repeatedly taunting me, over the ‘Net & saying my name is extremely homosexual. Ask around, I’m sure you’ll find others that agree. Suspicion @ it’s finest. Wow, how boring is the city you live in?
The irony in all of this is that this is the 2nd day you’ve been attempting to make a name for yourself by calling out mine [||]. Dude, I don’t have shit to prove. My life isn’t hanging on the balance of some cheeseburger teenager who’s mistaken XXL.com for Showtime @ the Apollo.
It’s getting pathetic, homie. You would’ve been better off with some redundant psycho-babble about how Ghostface is the best MC alive, or something. Because, this isn’t looking good, champ.
October 3rd, 2009
at 11:22 am
tmoney6191 says:
grands ya pussy son..just tryin to prove a point going at you…and its been proven…niggas say ya the nicest so i wanted to see if it was the truth…looks like it was all hype..b/c your scared to respond..b/c u know u cant top me..but its all good..im sure the dudes that r on ya dick(which is prolly macdatruest under another name) would like to c u shut me down
October 3rd, 2009
at 11:30 am
Tony Grands says:
Thats a whole different ballpark, dude. You could’ve hit me up on some “let’s see what you got Grands” type adult shit.
You jump on the thread calling niggas bitches & pussies & shit. Holler @ me on some competition type, not some disrespectful loudmouth vibe, dig?
That would’ve been real talk.
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October 2nd, 2009
at 5:32 pm
BIGNAT says:
glad to hear he respect his craft i feel the pretty toney joint was the weakest ghostface album. some of those songs were just really bad but it still had real good music on there.
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October 2nd, 2009
at 5:57 pm
newyawka631 says:
@ T-money…..that second 1 was fi———–ya
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October 3rd, 2009
at 1:05 am
impecable says:
let me hop in this,roll up anotha spliff
drop another gift
call me santa clause i ben a bosses
play the white like dental flosse
i play the bloc call me oden
my ear n wrist frozen
u play for the birds like boldin
broke nigga cant afford a stich or clothin
me dropin a verses is a lyrical explosion
quit the tuff talk no body belives you
betta watch wat u say , n remember who feeds u
i will do like your pops n stright up beat u
infont of ya cllck im runnin ya shitt
show niggaz the repercussions of not haven a gun on there hip
dumb nigga go some ware n shoot ya self plaxico
must ant no i got more pumps then amaco
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October 3rd, 2009
at 10:54 am
tmoney6191 says:
anybody that’s man enough to battle…grands is a bitch and quit b4 it even started bird nigga
Ima young bull,dun more dan you eva do
steppin ya rep and connects up is what u betta do/
stackin bread is somethin dat u neva knew
how to do/
Im wit wuteva son war,beef or combat
if its dat,ima draw heat and ill clap that/
we ride strapped,ma whole crew holdin toast
wen? da 5th blow it lift souls like da holy ghost/
nigga im comin for ya spot at the top
ma weapons teach lessons nigga so youll be learnin a lot/
watch ya ass nigga cause now u got me mad
man im known 4 da chrome and da hockey mask/
i take burners off da waist cock n blast,
have da mag burning ya face like oxy pads/
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October 3rd, 2009
at 11:16 am
Tony Grands says:
anybody that’s man enough to battle…grands is a bitch and quit b4 it even started bird nigga
^^^^Its impossible to quit something before you start, whiz kid. That only makes sense in the world you live in. Who says I have to accept your mediocre challenge? Thats like my son asking me to race, & me being fully aware that he lacks the skill, speed & dexterity to beat me tells him no thanks. Then, when he says, “Thats because I can beat you daddy!”, I pat him on the head & give him a snack.
Here’s your snack, youngster.
I’m surprised you’re not complaining about my pubic hairs tickling your nose by now. You’re going hard on the fellatio, my dude.
Oh wait, let me guess; “Grands a bitch, he’s not man, he can’t handle me”, or something to that horrible effect.
You’re ethering yourself with a hint of gayness.
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October 3rd, 2009
at 12:22 pm
impecable says:
grands u not battling t money ??
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October 3rd, 2009
at 12:23 pm
Tony Grands says:
@tmoney % impec
Won’t post my shit. Another thread.
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October 3rd, 2009
at 2:29 pm
newyawka631 says:
Sleepy Wonder,since u wanna stick ya fuckin beak in beef that don’t involve u,why don’t u drop something..
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October 3rd, 2009
at 5:00 pm
tmoney6191 says:
sleepy wonders just a critic..thats on tony grands cock to hard
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October 3rd, 2009
at 7:48 pm
impecable says:
WARES THE SPITTERS @ ?
JUS ME N MONEY ??
there out of my league there Amateurs
i move weight like heavy packages
debate,n ill snatch ya faith
expose ya fake, u dnt no impec so u cant relate
i pound ya face wen u drop ,the ground will shake
only chips u stack is lays, ur not a thug its jus a fase
ur a sucka for love, like chachi from happy days
u dnt want beef u wanna give daps n praise
under pressure i proform like fave
sluggz u have to dodge, dnt fuck wit ours
impecs da don,slash ya repertoire
im all for war homie sign me up
COME TRY YA LUCK , i KEEP A 45 BESIDE My RIGHT NUT
IM QUICK TO PULL OUT N BUST ,my shits dope a powerfull drug
i cause ruckus , never scard like bone crusher
impec da skull buster, guns smokin like burned rubber
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October 3rd, 2009
at 11:58 pm
Tony Grands says:
@tmoney
-Domestic terrorism at it’s finest, call me ya
highness/blow ya brain out ya face to clear ya sinus/verbal pugilist, serious with words as a weapon/graduation level servin u freshman-murder u peasants
shine brighter than phosperous gas, poppin u fags/droppin u fast, so quick-ya oculars lag/sniper rifles with binocular glass, top of the class/right now I’m sonnin u like I adopted ya ass
Y’all niggas claim famous, lyin when you say you aim stainless/your Facebook update is you “playin with gay anus”/n the game changes, every time u touchin a mic/you homies tell u U ain’t suckin it right-no homo
Throw bombs like Tone Romo, you dudes lose consecutive/mine, executive order to slaughter all your next of kin/startin at the bottom of the barrel, holes thru ya apparel/guns are too loud I shot him with an arrow
Here’s a dose of reality, all ya niggas mad at me/like I was Sean Hannity, anti-gravity/rhymes defy sanity, read em n weep/after this u might not sleep for a week…..
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October 4th, 2009
at 1:02 am
IMPECABLE says:
WHATTTTTTTT!
GRANDS WENT IN!!!
MUCH RESPECTT
NOW LETS SEE WAT TMONEY6191 GOTT
GRANDS SAID ” right now I’m sonnin u like I adopted ya ass”
LMAO
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October 4th, 2009
at 4:30 am
Sleepy Wonder says:
Newyawka: The Only Shit I’m Dropping Is The One Out My Anus, So Retract Your Invitation. Thank You.
Tmoney: I’m Not On Anyone’s Cock, You Idiot. But When You Come To A Website And Start Writing Shit Like
“I Ain’t No Stranger To Weapons Homie I Have Practice/Don’t Even Raise Ya Arm At Me Nigga I’ll Slash It/I’ll Aim A Fuckin’ Glock At Ya Ass And Blast It”
It Gets A Little Hard To Take You Serious. Who Gives A Shit If You Aren’t A Stranger To Weapons? For All I Know You’re Just A 9th Grade Punk Who’s Balls Haven’t Dropped.
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October 4th, 2009
at 2:23 pm
tmoney6191 says:
sleepy wonder…that what rap is you fuckin moron…and as far as tony grands go’s u had a few hot bars nothing crazy…ya lucky it wont lemme drop my shit im gonna try again later on this 1 or another topic
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October 4th, 2009
at 2:38 pm
newyawka631 says:
@TOny Grands
exposed as fake,so ya name lost the dollar sign,
rapping and u, just don’t intertwine,
don’t mix,
small minded artists get served,if they dare come visit,
u gay minded, don’t get it twisted,
i’m clearly betta,blame physics,
ya style str8 bland,while mine be exquisite,
u a commenter slash “i think i’m a critic”,
u Tony Romo??,obvious u so-so,
I’m shattering records,
getting betta by da seconds,
call me Payton,
u know da last name,so stop faking,
get outside,i wanna see some yard raking,
oh i forgot,u live outside L.A.,
turned puss,soon as u hear i’m there by Monday,
On hea nigga,ask T-money,i stay winnin da gold,
u get mentioned,for sticking to da gay code,
ya “skills” be like da beach,ready to erode,
u betta call da goons,neva tasting victory,
i’ll play nice,2 shots to ya right kidney,
consider it an urgent message,
next time da d’s,i’ll be searchin’ for ya dental record,
i also read ya shit and laughed,neva weeped
chrome to da dome,heas da attention u seek,
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October 4th, 2009
at 4:01 pm
Tony Grands says:
Just another stan, here’s a little pill to swallow/this is XXL, not Showtime at the Apollo/if it was though, Sandman would emerge from the back/ and beat u to death, while all the people clap cuz u wack
U prolly ain’t even from new york, them niggas got skills/u prolly live in Arizona with cactus and windmills/tmoney speaking to me, sounds like u feelin jealous/i heard how u homo’s get when it comes to straight fellas
All the gun talk is played out, I’m just bein honest/u hooked on violence, but obviously not on phonics/type of nigga that’ll blame his stupidity on the chronic/nah, u were moronic way before the hydroponic
Jumpin in a contest with nothing but recycled rhetoric/i wasn’t even talkin to u, thats some pathetic shit/it must lonely in the basement, face it/if rappin is ya hobby homie, start searchin for a replacement
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October 4th, 2009
at 4:12 pm
Tony Grands says:
@ tmoney
A few hot bars, here’s so more for your memory/mammory ass nigga, ya grammar be trash nigga/fuck around and flash on u brighter than a sun spot/i might as well have did ‘the matrix’ u ain’t landed one shot
re-post another rhyme thats what I did, so follow me/u flow, but I spit holy water homie don’t swallow me/ya styles a little slovenly, gotta be a dichotomy/cuzz you the best worst rapper ever, break you like pottery
And sweep u under the rug, you came lookin for me tmoney-I must have a thunderous buzz/either that, or the drugs gotcha feelin too confident/ya just an accomplishment to garner me compliments
Ignoring ya common sense, now look at your predictament/makin excuses cuz u kno ya shit sounds ridiculous/even worse, u got newyawka backin u up/that niggas a joke, I’m laughin so I know he crackin u up…
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October 4th, 2009
at 7:47 pm
RL says:
On another note, after watching the entire interview, it’s good to see that Stark’s confidence is not based on a desire to be popular. The streets still respects this dude’s art and he hasn’t lost touch or forgotten that (at least in this present time).
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October 4th, 2009
at 10:47 pm
IMPECABLE says:
IF LIFES A TEST, FUCK IT IM CHEATING
LIKE A FAUCET ILL LEAVE U LEAKING , TOO LET U NO WARE EVEN
UR anxious TO BEEF WIT ME ,U MUST BE READY TO DIE
NIGGA IMA BOSS, THE WORKS ALREADY DONE WHEN I ARRIVE
U PROLLY GO TO WORK EVERYDAY, WONDER IN WHEN UR NEXT RAISE IS
WHEN I PLAY THE BLOC, IM SO FLY IM FUCKIN YOUR BITCH IN A SPACESHIP
SHE LET ME HIT IT IN DIFFERENT position,
SHE EVEN LET ME TAPE IT.
SCREAMIN IMPEC UR MY FAVORITE.YA BITCH LOVE MY VibrationS
HOMIE STOP HATEN , KUZ U CNT BE ME
UR NOT THIS HANSOME,SKILLZ DNT KOME THIS EASY
N U DNT GOT A GLOCK, U HAVE A AIRSOFT GUN THAT SHOOTS BB’S
U FAKE THUGZ GUNNA GET SNUFFED WEN U C ME
U DNT possess A FLOW , UR NOT A PIMP I SAW YA HOES
THEY OBESE LIKE WACK JOE.FROM HEAD TO TOE
MY HITS IS CLASSICAL , U COME ON MY BLOC NIGGAZ GUNNA LAUGH @ U
THEN RUN AFTER U , THIS WAT HAPPENS WEN U DNT SHOW GRATITUDE
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October 5th, 2009
at 2:25 pm
$ykotic/Don McCaine says:
I was wondering where the thread was.
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