
Ski Beatz, who produced “Dead Presidents” and a bunch of other Jay-Z shit over the years, may be the victim of a flagrant beat jack on Jay’s new opus American Gangster.
What do you think, did Jermaine and No ID get Ski for his track or what?
Ski Beatz- “Ballin” (Instrumental)
Jay-Z “Fallin” (Produced by Jermaine Dupri, co-produced by No ID)
Upon hearing the track, Ski had the following to say:
“I did the beat first. That beat got played for so many people. I sent it out. [They] could have bit. But that doesn’t necessarily mean [he bit] when you fucking with samples; [they] could have just found the same one. I’ll let the people decide. I got my new artist Pittsburgh Slim signed over at Def Jam, [so] how ironic.”
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October 26th, 2007
at 2:50 pm
clammy claude says:
FIRST YOU FUCKERSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!1
o btw i am so sick of all u dumb ass fuck down south NIGGERZZZ yall r trash with ur dumb ass ring tone hits….
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October 26th, 2007
at 3:38 pm
EReal says:
Tell em why you mad son!
BTW First sayers are with the gays.
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October 30th, 2007
at 3:50 pm
E$ says:
You can hate….your girl don’t
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November 3rd, 2007
at 10:47 am
s*** says:
fuck you clammy claude you ignorant bitch! Only reason why you hate niggaz is because your grandparents told you to.. Get your own brain bitch!!!!
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October 26th, 2007
at 2:54 pm
slick says:
yo peep snoop dogg’s ballin
from paid the cost to be the boss
and tell me who had that shit first
come on now’
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November 10th, 2007
at 12:10 pm
mikenice says:
oo shit ur right.. but they didnt sample nuttin jus they re sang that part.. but still u got a point
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October 26th, 2007
at 2:54 pm
canayda says:
MAN SKI IS MY HOMEY AN HE MADE REASONABLE DOUBT! AN CAMP LO! THATS A CLOSE CALL I THINK HOV HAD A TUFF DECISION BCUZ THE HOOK ON THE NEW TRACK IS CRAZY BUT TO ME SKI JOINT BANG BANG!! AN COME ON MAN THATS YA DOG! CLOSE CALL THO BOTH ARE INCREDIBLE TRACKS
SHOUT OUT TO SKI AN EVERYBODY IN VA! NC MD DC
WE NEED OUR TIME!!
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October 26th, 2007
at 3:01 pm
BK Cyph says:
Hell yeah JD and NO ID jacked Ski’s joint. Its clear as day. Ski is just playin politician cuz he got that Def Jam deal.
While its geat to see Ski finally get his just do, it would’ve been ill to see him and Hov reunited again…
its a dirty game!
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October 26th, 2007
at 4:29 pm
Funny... says:
Not too clear as day… When you hear the story how that song came together… JD did that one in the studio for Jay on the spot.
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October 26th, 2007
at 3:04 pm
D Lux says:
i think it was jacked. sounded like the juss lowered the pitch and took the beat. i gotta go back and listen to it if the drums sound da same
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October 26th, 2007
at 3:05 pm
papi says:
LOL!!!true
but ski got f*ck sweet!!!!
lol
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October 26th, 2007
at 3:06 pm
yolanda says:
well it ain’t the first time jiggas stole//.
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October 26th, 2007
at 3:11 pm
Say Qua says:
The drums sound better on No ID’s version. In this sense, who cares if Ski did it first. And to be clear, c’mon - let’s be real-Jermaine Dupri doesn’t sit around and chop samples…So this is No ID’s beat. Ski shouldn’t have taken the sample so clean and it prolly wouldna got jacked…plus it woulda been a good look for Jay to have a Ski beat on this album of all albums.
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October 26th, 2007
at 3:11 pm
TK1 says:
Jack move! I think that was jacked DAWG!!!!!!!!!!!
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October 26th, 2007
at 3:13 pm
Bol says:
It’s like 10,000 spoons when all you need is a knife.
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October 26th, 2007
at 3:59 pm
Joey Wack says:
*floor*
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October 29th, 2007
at 4:30 am
ill fittin says:
did you just quote an alanis morrissete song?
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October 29th, 2007
at 8:33 am
EReal says:
Are you serious with this shit?
Bol, you’re such a faggot.
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October 26th, 2007
at 3:13 pm
j-rob says:
WTF…..where’s story about T.I
it’s friday the 26th write a story about the king.
FREE T.I FREE T.I FREE T.I
FREE T.I FREE T.I FREE T.I
FREE T.I FREE T.I FREE T.I
FREE T.I FREE T.I FREE T.I
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October 26th, 2007
at 3:16 pm
j-rob says:
T.I is FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH
HHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHA
lil flip better run
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October 26th, 2007
at 3:18 pm
hiphop says:
I don’t know about bittin this shit, but this track is FIRE!
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October 26th, 2007
at 3:22 pm
Tek says:
IT’s different enough. People use the same samples all the time. Ski’s lost on this one. I like the No ID version better..
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October 26th, 2007
at 3:28 pm
Tracy Lee says:
Damn, thats some greasy work, shame on Jermaine for jacking that beat - its the kind of thing I would expect someone like Just Blaze to do - but not Jermaine.
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October 26th, 2007
at 3:31 pm
Josh says:
The real question for me is did Frequency (of Snoop Dogg - “Think About It” fame) get jacked? The beat he gave 6th Sense for “Untitled” on “Highing Fly” album is the same beat as “Sweet”
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October 26th, 2007
at 3:35 pm
Around and Around says:
Dam sounds pretty similar, they should at least send Ski a gift basket.
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October 26th, 2007
at 3:40 pm
Cali Black says:
Slick was right. Snoop had it first. Quite whinin bitch niggas.
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October 26th, 2007
at 3:44 pm
Yo says:
Minus the intro shit was bit. I mean its basically the same beat. not nearly different enough. I mean its hot. Its real fuckin hot but come on.
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October 26th, 2007
at 3:45 pm
r says:
Hey shit Happen but the track is hot. Hov is back.
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October 26th, 2007
at 4:14 pm
Tony says:
which came first snoop who paid the cost to be the boss or Reasonable doubt. I hat to tell you but Reasonable doubt is from 96 and paid the cost to be the boss wasnt untill like 99 or so maybe 98 So im thinkin yall idiots need to drop the snoop thing cause he isnt even in the discussion unless he jacked it to
Peace
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October 26th, 2007
at 4:14 pm
Trackflow says:
A production team called Teknclips have the same sample…It’s called “This Ones for You” but teknclips came out with the sample first.
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October 26th, 2007
at 4:25 pm
TAKE THAT says:
SNOOP GOT THAT SAMPLE ON ON A SONG CALLED “FALLIN” ON THE CD WITH “BEAUTIFUL”, “PIMP SLAP”, “CHURRCH”, “PAID THE COST TO BE THE BOOS”?
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October 26th, 2007
at 4:30 pm
bb says:
sowhat if anything jay made it sound betta lol northsidebiz197 is the screenname
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October 26th, 2007
at 5:01 pm
Tyler says:
Yea’ dat shit don’t even sound like JD’s style even tho’ he is a beast. Dude got jacked on’dat one.
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October 26th, 2007
at 5:13 pm
tj says:
o the song is the shit i think its better than ever song on the last album
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October 26th, 2007
at 5:21 pm
SUN says:
niggas even chopped the same damn way just made the drums heavier to try to hide it smh fuck biters man
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October 26th, 2007
at 5:23 pm
SUN says:
and to all the people talking and dont really know much about producing it isnt really the sample itself, its how its chopped & if u listen…niggas chopped it the same way as him…that’s biting
but No I.D. is the man, i never thought he’d bite shit…probably bitch ass JD’s influence
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October 26th, 2007
at 6:42 pm
streeetqize says:
yea slick was right snoop had a song using the same sample produce by supercat or battlecat forgot dude’s name that shit was hot
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October 26th, 2007
at 7:26 pm
4one2 says:
yo that shit is exactly the same all the way down to the violins in the fucking background…ski is right jermaine is JACKINNN!!!! thats weak…get paid ski
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October 26th, 2007
at 8:56 pm
Ty says:
As I listen to the song, which is pure fire by the way, the story that Jay-z paints reminds me of the current TI situation.
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October 26th, 2007
at 8:57 pm
Ty says:
Oh by the way, in no way shape or form did JD produce this track. This track has NO I.D. written all over it.
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October 26th, 2007
at 9:48 pm
BK Cyph says:
Well actually NO ID is JD’s producer. JD talks about it in his new book babout his team of producers that he keeps under his wing. He likens them to session musicians on some quincy jones shit.
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October 26th, 2007
at 10:09 pm
Ty says:
Understood, but why is JD still named as a producer? I’m sure he probably told NO i.d. to adjust a level or two and considers that for production credit.
(Comments wont nest below this level)
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October 26th, 2007
at 10:26 pm
Louis Rich says:
First off if anybody got jacked it was the dramatics so you can’t jack a beat when it was already bean jacked.
the original is called “Falling” by The Dramactics
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October 27th, 2007
at 12:53 am
me says:
THESE IZ FAKE AZZ PRODUCERS…WHY YOU CRYING FOR I DID THIS FIRST I DID THAT FIRST…FUCK EM REAL PRODUCERS DON’T SAMPLE…
COME ON MAN BE ORIGINAL AND MAKE YOUR OWN BEAT FROM SCRATCH!!!
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October 27th, 2007
at 10:48 am
SUN says:
this is why this blog shit is played out…stupid responses like this
if you have nothing to say about the situation more than “blah blah real producers don’t sample” which makes no damn sense whatsoever than shut the fuck up and don’t say shit at all
Like it or not this Hip Hop shit is built on sampling you faggot
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October 27th, 2007
at 12:55 am
Biggie says:
quit whining muthafucka & even i he did take the beat, he did u a favor by not lettin u embarras yourself.
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October 27th, 2007
at 3:50 am
Depp says:
Yo it’s a full time jack move…i aint gonna hate Ski said he shopped that shit round to everyone somebody esle picked that shit up gave it a spit shine…jay does what he does best…but what’s been leaked on the net aint the final album it’s missing 2-3 tracks from it…So go buy that shit on Nov 6 support real hip-hop! Church!
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October 27th, 2007
at 5:39 am
No ID says:
Damn, don’t yall read what’s said about these things before yall start these rumors… JD did that beat and gave me co-prod because I gave him co-prod on my joint Success… I gave him some suggestions after he made the beat, and I don’t know Ski… This internet info is out of control… I’m a veteran… My track record speaks for itself… I don’t have to jack anyone, and I respect Ski as a producer… That’s where it ends… Go read the XXL about how all of the songs were created… As much work as I put in and people are doing my style, I should be the LAST one accused of jacking a sample.
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October 27th, 2007
at 6:10 am
No ID says:
FYI JD did fallin… He gave me co-prod because I gave him co-prod on Success… I gave him some suggestions, but that’s his beat… I saw him do it and so did Jay and everyone else in the studio. I have the utmost respect for Ski, but I have never met him or heard a beat tape from him. My track record speaks for itself… Never have jacked and I never will… I don’t even understand why my name would come up in something like this. XXL article breaks down the making of the album… I work with JD so we roll together… I thought XXL was a little more credible with their info than to push this like it’s true… But I guess anything for the ratings… But I take my craft seriously… I don’t JACK!!!
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October 27th, 2007
at 7:42 am
Brodiw says:
I remember back in the summer aroubd the time when Ski put out the making of dead presidents where he said he was back in the stu with Jay…. coincidence ?
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October 27th, 2007
at 9:15 am
moresickaMC says:
if Ski made that first. its clearly a straight jack….its chopped the same. shame coz its one of the better trax one AG
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October 27th, 2007
at 9:38 am
the doctor says says:
come on man whats the odds of someone do the same sample like that….most people dont even know the orgiginal song. Its not an old popular song, so the odds say they heard his beat and bit it
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October 27th, 2007
at 10:13 am
Poster Child For Flyness says:
Yall niggas is crazy arguin over who the damn beat for……listen to this track.. .Jay murked the shit out of it….this is one of the fewer mc’s that dont need a hot track from a hot producer for people to listen….a homeless person can be bangin on pots and pans in the background…call the album “KICKIN CANS FOR A LIVING”…and Im gone still buy his shit..ITS THE ROC BITCH HOLLA! OH AND FUCK THAT FIRST SHIT IM THE FLYEST NIGGA IN WEB HISTORY, YA DIG
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October 27th, 2007
at 2:17 pm
UnderthaPurpleTrees says:
C’mon… that is a literal Beat Jack (reminicent of Cube vs. Cypress hill and/or King Sun)… A sampler got sampled… ha.. Anyway JD is a producer…..and not a beat maker.. (So like Dr.DRE did to DAZ so many times… he probably picked that beat up and ran with it). and No ID is lazy … and probably took that shit just to get paid…..
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October 27th, 2007
at 2:25 pm
Nic Diamonds says:
Shit happens all the time I have the same beat as the Gossip Lil Wayne
and I have been sending it out for a while but who can bitch its a sample.
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October 27th, 2007
at 6:45 pm
sole1 says:
ahh u dicks, i didnt wanna hear that hov song yet
say spoiler alert or some shit next time
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October 27th, 2007
at 9:22 pm
Tha Real King says:
Look even if it was or was not
snoop had it first on ballin
check it out if u dont belive me
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October 27th, 2007
at 11:30 pm
Coop says:
I’m sorry the JD Version is in a different world.
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October 28th, 2007
at 12:25 am
Depp says:
Yo it’s a fulltime jack move!!
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October 28th, 2007
at 12:45 am
Ali says:
yea dont really give a shit about tha point of this post…..but thanx 4 spoilin tha Hov song that shit is sick….I already heard 5 songs off American Gangster cuz of u muthafuckers
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October 28th, 2007
at 3:32 pm
CULLI says:
I DONT KNO…BUT MAN THAT TRACK WUS SICK REAL TALK AND YAH DOES KINDA REMIND YOU OF T.I.’S POSITION RIGHT NOW
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October 28th, 2007
at 4:26 pm
LOL says:
why the fuck do these N-WORDS KEEP TRYINA PUSH WHITE RAPPERS.
WHITE PEOPEL LIKE RAP, WE GET IT MOVE ON , STUPID ASS HOUSENIGGAS
ALWAYS TRYINA PUT THE WHITE MAN ON AND MAKE HIM HAPPY.
WHY AINT GARTH CROOKS SIGNING A BLACK COUNTRY ARTIST?
FUCKOUTAAHERE
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October 28th, 2007
at 5:50 pm
dj Chowder says:
so what. they used the same simple. who gives a fuck the song is sick. i dont care how they made it.
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October 28th, 2007
at 7:00 pm
Jizzumagician says:
Ski’s beat was good but to sloppy
it may be a bite as far as a sample
bite but the latter (new) version is
way better & I don’t thnk jay would
knowingly jack ski..but then again
jay is a gangsta right? LMAO hotness
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October 29th, 2007
at 12:03 am
paychexx says:
well its clear who bring the best out of hov. ski-beats and premier. the song is sick as fuck!!! all you other rappers fall back. hov is holdin it down until nas get ready. peace
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October 29th, 2007
at 1:02 am
50 CENT DIDNT BEAT UP HIS CO STAR ….. JAY-Z SUED AGAIN … LIL WAYNE CD COMMING DEC 18 says:
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October 29th, 2007
at 7:58 am
Rodjilius says:
well looks like it is a real similar beat i guess he did get jacked still hot track
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October 29th, 2007
at 10:34 am
premiere1 says:
It dont matter if a billion people used the same sample, those billion other people are not associated as closely to each other as Ski Beats and Jay-Z are to No ID and J Dupri. In other words its more than a coincidence that of all the samples No ID could have used for Jay-Z, he just happened to use one that was shopped to Jay-Z by Ski Beats? Even if Snoop or his baby momma’s cousins sister used the same sample? C’mon!!!!
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October 29th, 2007
at 11:52 am
KARMA says:
right ski…let the people decide…the shit jigga’s been doing is going to get thicker and hit the fan sooner than you think….stay tuned!
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October 29th, 2007
at 1:00 pm
H-LO says:
HOV is back - motion picture shit (wait, he said that over a Ski beat 10 years ago)!
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October 29th, 2007
at 2:23 pm
emanthefirst says:
snoop dogg used this song back in the day
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October 29th, 2007
at 2:25 pm
patkilpat says:
Man fuck biting but this seems like they came acrossed the same sample. Fuck man if it were just Jermaine I’d raise my eyebrows but No ID digs.
I think SKI flipped it better.
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October 29th, 2007
at 3:05 pm
Apex says:
“Rap is an art, you can’t own no loops
It’s how you hook it up with the rhyme style, troop”
-Guru
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October 29th, 2007
at 11:09 pm
SUN says:
YEA TRUE BUT THE NIGGA TOOK THE SAME CHOPS HE DID THAT AINT NO DAMN COINCIDENCE THATS BITING
I DONT GET WHAT U CATS DONT GET ABOUT THAT IT AINT NO DAMN COICIDENCE U CAN TELL HOW SKI CHOPPED THE DAMN SAMPLE ALL NO ID DID WAS TAKE HIS CHOPS N ADD HEAVIER DRUMS THATS SOME WACK ASS BITIN SHIT
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October 30th, 2007
at 12:02 pm
Ski says:
Thats the risk you run when you sample i made that track two years ago im not mad
I think JD & No ID did the damn thing with the track Much respect to you guys
GREAT MINDS THINK ALIKE!!
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October 30th, 2007
at 3:51 pm
RICH NICE says:
That’s why I keep the top shelf shit locked down!!! Niggas are sharks still word to Cuban Links Only 1!!! reverbnation.com/richniceproduction
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October 30th, 2007
at 8:59 pm
yo son says:
thats a flagrant faul all the way
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October 31st, 2007
at 12:51 am
D.L.U.X says:
Definitely used the same drums and arrangement. But this sample is about 5 years old from Snoop’s album. With the original artists. Everyone’s gonna get paid!!!!! So it doesn’t really matter.
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October 31st, 2007
at 1:23 am
Jay-Z Jacks A Beat For New Album « The Digital Streets says:
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November 1st, 2007
at 12:00 am
Dumass Deep East Oakland. says:
What the fuck are you clowns talking about how the hell can you jack someone’s beat when youre using a fucking sample?!?!?!?!?!?!
what kind of dumb shit is that?they used the same sample ok…. who gives a shit it happens when you start ur beat from an un-original idea to me jd’s version is hotter so aye its whatever how many times has the isley brothers between the sheets sample been used? like a fukin gajillion times come on now get real.
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November 1st, 2007
at 1:37 pm
ImbIGyAdIG says:
hell yeah he got jacked…but wit samples its hard to cliam shit
for real shit check this
http://WWW.MYSPACE.COM/BIGRAM201
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November 2nd, 2007
at 12:53 pm
purple tape says:
This is gay …everyone knows JD is a fucking biter anyways
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November 3rd, 2007
at 3:49 pm
bitterfrshness says:
Did he get jacked? Yeah, he did BUT it’s hotter when Jay got it. Samples is like fair game now a days, sad but true.
JD is trash, & it don’t sound nothing like the usual garbage he produces. I thought it was Kanye actually.
Sorry but Ski makes the sample seem cheap, Jay livened it up.
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November 5th, 2007
at 10:28 am
Dj Victorious says:
my shit is this. dude’s giving co-producer to people who aint do shit on the beat. that’s cool and that’s love and shit..but that right there ruins the integrity of alot of shit.
you cant even believe credits no more.
and like some body said. it was a sample.
when its a sample..you cant blame nobody.
oh yea…and no i.d. is one of the best to ever do the shit.
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November 6th, 2007
at 1:29 am
fg says:
yo ths beat is ridicuous.but jays current version is bloodstained cocaine.it cant be fucked with.
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November 10th, 2007
at 12:07 pm
mikenice says:
nah , it could be a coincidence because the sample is too obvious , besides no id’s sounds way better , ski’s shit sounds sloppy , but no id’s sounds cleaner
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