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	<title>Comments on: Wards Of the &#8220;Underground&#8221;</title>
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	<description>Hip-Hop On A Higher Level</description>
	<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 20:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Slav Kandyba</title>
		<link>http://www.xxlmag.com/online/?p=18989#comment-758066</link>
		<dc:creator>Slav Kandyba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good subject to tackle, MG. IMO, underground in hip-hop is that "next" shit that has not bubbled up to the mainstream. 
Rappers or cats that say they they're underground are clueless. They're not upward-mobile thinkers. Shit, they probably don't know what upward mobile means. Read a book or a newspaper would be my suggestion. 
Anyway ... within underground there are variations, so you have that to consider as well. I mean, Copywrite could've had a chance to leave underground behind if he chose to go with Dame Dash at one point and vice versa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good subject to tackle, MG. IMO, underground in hip-hop is that &#8220;next&#8221; shit that has not bubbled up to the mainstream.<br />
Rappers or cats that say they they&#8217;re underground are clueless. They&#8217;re not upward-mobile thinkers. Shit, they probably don&#8217;t know what upward mobile means. Read a book or a newspaper would be my suggestion.<br />
Anyway &#8230; within underground there are variations, so you have that to consider as well. I mean, Copywrite could&#8217;ve had a chance to leave underground behind if he chose to go with Dame Dash at one point and vice versa.</p>
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		<title>By: Killer mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Killer mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 07:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Underground is music that serves as an alternitive to the status quo.  underground artist r directly liked to there fan base and the most effective promo is fan pushed ie word of mouth and even internet.  
I love the Underground.  Murs, J Dilla, And GRIND TIME RAP GANG BANG BANG BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  The Underground lives lets keep supporting.  Dope Blog too Maurice</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Underground is music that serves as an alternitive to the status quo.  underground artist r directly liked to there fan base and the most effective promo is fan pushed ie word of mouth and even internet.<br />
I love the Underground.  Murs, J Dilla, And GRIND TIME RAP GANG BANG BANG BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  The Underground lives lets keep supporting.  Dope Blog too Maurice</p>
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		<title>By: DuBOSE</title>
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		<dc:creator>DuBOSE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 00:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jay electronica = underground</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jay electronica = underground</p>
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		<title>By: Da Bizness</title>
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		<dc:creator>Da Bizness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 20:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Underground used to be linked to an act having a following or fan base without a major label push. Thus meaning for one to have a "fan base" or "following" one would have to earn the title by touring or selling a decent amount of units, again, without a major label. A lot of these "artists" we are talking about have not sold any units, nor have they toured outside of they own hood...which means it is impossible for them to be deemed underground. These self proclaimed "artists" are the one's ruining the game by making these torrible (terrible+horrible) songs just to get on the radio..usually some type of "battleground" feature, only to have their entire family call in to vote for the song...thank god the labels are short on money, hopefully these types of "artists" quit recording and go back to being consumers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Underground used to be linked to an act having a following or fan base without a major label push. Thus meaning for one to have a &#8220;fan base&#8221; or &#8220;following&#8221; one would have to earn the title by touring or selling a decent amount of units, again, without a major label. A lot of these &#8220;artists&#8221; we are talking about have not sold any units, nor have they toured outside of they own hood&#8230;which means it is impossible for them to be deemed underground. These self proclaimed &#8220;artists&#8221; are the one&#8217;s ruining the game by making these torrible (terrible+horrible) songs just to get on the radio..usually some type of &#8220;battleground&#8221; feature, only to have their entire family call in to vote for the song&#8230;thank god the labels are short on money, hopefully these types of &#8220;artists&#8221; quit recording and go back to being consumers.</p>
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		<title>By: Chaka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chaka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 22:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me I think the term underground signifies an artist who is keeping it real and making dope hip hop music but who has not managed to cross-over to mainstream.Hence,those who are using the term for an artist are infact saying that artist is only known by true heads and not by everyone.He is just under waiting to blow.AZ is one artist who will  perfectly fit this my definition of the term underground.Peace an hip hop head in Africa wrote this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me I think the term underground signifies an artist who is keeping it real and making dope hip hop music but who has not managed to cross-over to mainstream.Hence,those who are using the term for an artist are infact saying that artist is only known by true heads and not by everyone.He is just under waiting to blow.AZ is one artist who will  perfectly fit this my definition of the term underground.Peace an hip hop head in Africa wrote this.</p>
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		<title>By: Trey Stone</title>
		<link>http://www.xxlmag.com/online/?p=18989#comment-738038</link>
		<dc:creator>Trey Stone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 19:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>do people actually believe this "love for it first, money second" BS?

how 'bout they wanna make money doing something they love? this whole idea that you're more "pure" if you don't wanna make money making music has gotta stop</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>do people actually believe this &#8220;love for it first, money second&#8221; BS?</p>
<p>how &#8217;bout they wanna make money doing something they love? this whole idea that you&#8217;re more &#8220;pure&#8221; if you don&#8217;t wanna make money making music has gotta stop</p>
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		<title>By: THE UNDERWRITER</title>
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		<dc:creator>THE UNDERWRITER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 07:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Big Oomp could be considered underground, before Unk finally broke nationally.  That's kind of the only group I can think of, besides Cash Money in New Orleans before the Universal deal.

Shout to Ghetto Mafia.  Real Gs.  Feel good.  Smoke good.  Drink good.  Old cash.  New Car.  New Crib.  Same hood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big Oomp could be considered underground, before Unk finally broke nationally.  That&#8217;s kind of the only group I can think of, besides Cash Money in New Orleans before the Universal deal.</p>
<p>Shout to Ghetto Mafia.  Real Gs.  Feel good.  Smoke good.  Drink good.  Old cash.  New Car.  New Crib.  Same hood.</p>
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		<title>By: Dub Sac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dub Sac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 04:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No offense taken.

I by no means think that the groups I listed encapsulate what "underground" is. That's just the first batch of artists I think of.

I totally agree that region plays a huge part. Like Bay area rappers such as Mac Dre and Keak Da Sneak qualify as underground though they may be well known to people in that area. But they have their own style that doesn't have mainstream cross-over appeal. And for people from different parts of the country, the artists are going to be different.

Dunno. Guess I don't really have an answer to the question. Just speculation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No offense taken.</p>
<p>I by no means think that the groups I listed encapsulate what &#8220;underground&#8221; is. That&#8217;s just the first batch of artists I think of.</p>
<p>I totally agree that region plays a huge part. Like Bay area rappers such as Mac Dre and Keak Da Sneak qualify as underground though they may be well known to people in that area. But they have their own style that doesn&#8217;t have mainstream cross-over appeal. And for people from different parts of the country, the artists are going to be different.</p>
<p>Dunno. Guess I don&#8217;t really have an answer to the question. Just speculation.</p>
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		<title>By: FLIP</title>
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		<dc:creator>FLIP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 03:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"So if the radio ain’t playing you, it’s not because you’re underground, it’s because you suck."

That's the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard.

By that logic, AZ, Cormega, Killer Mike, El-P, and GZA all suck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So if the radio ain’t playing you, it’s not because you’re underground, it’s because you suck.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the stupidest fucking thing I&#8217;ve ever heard.</p>
<p>By that logic, AZ, Cormega, Killer Mike, El-P, and GZA all suck.</p>
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		<title>By: Fire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for reminding me, I think that backpacker is one of the most biased and full of shit terms that hip hop has ever spawned.  A lot of smart music gets lumped in that category with self righteous fake activists, and like you said, it sucks.  Artists like Talib Kweli shouldn't get put in with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for reminding me, I think that backpacker is one of the most biased and full of shit terms that hip hop has ever spawned.  A lot of smart music gets lumped in that category with self righteous fake activists, and like you said, it sucks.  Artists like Talib Kweli shouldn&#8217;t get put in with that.</p>
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