check: too short + FAB – sideshow (it’s a bay beat with roots and it KILLS!!!!!!)

You are mad late son. Hyphy has been goin down WAY before crunk. It just got mainstream lately. The whole bay area sound has been blazin its own trail for decades. If you dont like it, thats cool. In fact, everybody else bites on the Yay, and tardy cats like yourself dont even know it. Pac got started in the bay. Snoop’s whole “shizzle” talk came from 3X Crazy in like ’96. Mac Dre was goin dumb back in ’99. Dr. Dre’s sound AINT NEVER RUN THE BAY. They got their own style of beats. SO IT LOOKS LIKE YOU ARE WRONG IN JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING IN YOUR POST YOU FUCKING IDIOT. Go bump your 50 cent and think your hip you tardy, square-ass lame

He’s vastly overrated, though.

–response to “fuckthatdumbshit”
–explanation of “backpacker” hip-hop
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Ah, the net-banging, walking, talking, writing embodiment of contradiction and oxymoron that is ‘fuckthatdumbshit’. Here is this person’s perspective:

First:
1) He rates ‘backpacker’ music high simply for the sake of rating high, regardless of whether or not it is worthy of such a rating
a) Why is it called ‘backpacker’ you ask? It’s a style of dress, mentality, and lifestyle amongst certain individuals on the outer fringes of authentic, street oriented, hip-hop
1) Characterized by a bohemian, artsy, dread locked, non-conventional, left-of-center, slightly nerdy, and ALTERNATIVE look, coupled with a backpack (so goes the stereotype) and an unusual fervor and adherence to the so-called ‘five elements of hip-hop’.

2) Why the backpack? Because years ago when this stereotype emerged (around ’94-’95) when gangsta rap and actual gang membership and activity was the social & acceptable reality among young men of color who happened to also be hip-hop/rap fans in may cities, these outsider ‘backpacker’ guys would literally carry their aerosol cans, vinyl records, tagging markers, weed, etc with them wherever they went, to ‘ciphers’, freestyle battles, tagging competitions, etc

a) They were seen as weirdoes because they didn’t really fit in with the cool crowd, the real hustlers whom formed their own labels, really sold drugs, had the flyest whips, had the authentic reality rap from the streets, the flyest women, had money for studio time, etc. The aforementioned cats had that swagger and the charisma that defined the hip-hop from that era (you want some mainstream examples? Biggie, E-40, N.W.A, etc…underground examples? Master P, C-Bo, Mac Mall, Brother Lynch Hung, etc)

b) A lot of these back pack crews had white boys with them whom really wanted to be a part of this dominant black culture, but weren’t really accepted in this crowd in the schools they went to, in predominantly black hip-hop clubs, or in social circles. Most of the prominent black cliques/gangs/hustler crews wouldn’t normally want to be caught dead with these cornballs, especially at the upscale, exclusive nightclubs that we frequent. It was not a good look socially or with regard to the ladies (face it, I’m sure many brothas have heard other brothas disparage white boys as being weak, corny, etc…It is a perception among some)

c) Since the backpacker cliques consisted of guys that couldn’t fit in with the tastemakers and trendsetters of the day and couldn’t be accepted into gangs because maybe they were punks and couldn’t fight, or because they didn’t have the heart to take penitentiary chances and hustle at a young age (like many of my friends did….14 and 15 year olds driving brand new trucks, fully restored old school whips, etc),

d) They then began to try to find a way to ‘Get In Where They Fit In’, and thus began this alternative counter culture with its strict adherence to the ‘five elements’ (rhyming just to hear themselves rhyme, rapping just be rapping, break dancing beyond its time, graffiti, etc) because the real street cats weren’t preoccupied with this. Real cats were more focused upon creating authentic, street oriented Hip-Hop for mass appeal and with business minded sensibilities

You think that Busy B, Kool Moe Dee, Flash, Melle Mel, etc, weren’t street cats that were out make as much money as possible, move the audience, make a social statement, and look good while doing it? This mentality is the ESSENCE OF HIP-HOP!!

SO, when you have guys with artsy & alternative sounding names (Akrobatic, Mr. Lif, Evidence, Iriscience, Hieroglypics), whom seemingly rap about nothing relevant, merely seeking for some exposure in order to ‘get in where they fit in’, it’s cool with me, but as you can tell, it does not appeal to the masses for a reason. It is not the type of music that moves the people. It’s content isn’t relevant to anyone except for those of their ilk. It’s corny to most. It doesn’t have any social significance, even in the clubs. These guys just rap for the sake rapping (and is therefore detrimental to the culture in my opinion) and is definitely not real, street-oriented, socially relevant (from the block to the boardroom to the clubs), OR intellectually stimulating.

What qualifies me to share this opinion with you, ‘fuckthatdumbshit’? I was born in Harlem at the time that Hip-Hop was born. The pioneers on occasion would be in my neighborhood for house and block parties. I’ve lived this since day one. I’ve felt this since day one. I’ve smelt the ghetto air, seen the effects of ghetto living, and examined first hand the conditions that produced authentic hip-hop.

I was raised in the West; around the time that gangbanging was gaining a stronghold in our communities. I’ve participated in that. I’ve known gangsters and gangster rappers whom went into the studio to share their stories of strife with the world. Since day one, I’ve had a thorough, multi-coastal hip-hop education. I pay attention to this music.

How does your 5 out of 5 rating and blind acceptance of this type of alternative hip-hop contribute to the relevance or advancement of our culture, especially when the song in question is complete garbage? What kind of logic is that?

SECOND
Where are you from? What is your background? What is your hip-hop educational foundation? Where were you raised? What kind of street of street knowledge do you have? What kind of hip-hop knowledge do you have? What qualifies you to be such a critic of others opinions about hip-hop?

The reason why I ask is that I’ve noticed a very condemning, matter of fact tone to many of your posts…come to find out, YOU ARE NOT EVEN AMERICAN!!!! YOUR OPINION DOESN’T EVEN REALLY MATTER TO WHAT WE DO, WHAT WE LOVE, WHAT WE LISTEN TO, OR WHAT MOVES US!! Are you simply a closeted, nerd, weirdo, angry outsider, and backpacker yourself?

Holla back.

come on shadow … get that hit.

you really do not have that hit with any of these tracks.

is that the artists you worked withs faults? I think maybe.

worldpeace,
ben

ps. i give shadow mad props from way back in the day with that preemptive strike shit and all that initial record industry manuevering he did before he even hit 23 or 25 years old.

90.3 KDVS Riff Raff and Shadow, 1993….who knows about that?

I was wrong. They hit the stage at 4am; people might have been a bit confused, but the energy was undeniable. The best part was Shadow knowing he couldn’t get out of there without lacing some classics.

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