Was Big Pun Better Than Biggie?

Damn, it’s hard to believe that’s it’s been almost 10 years since Christopher “Big Pun” Rios passed away. Yesterday (November 10) was the big guy’s born day and had he lived he would’ve been 38 years young. (Click here for Joell Ortiz’s musical tribute.)

As the first solo Latino rap artists to go platinum (shout out to Cypress Hill, who were the first Latino group to go plat), Pun has his place in the history books. Still, I’m not sure if he always gets his props. Son was a beast on the mic, crafting timeless records like “Still Not a Player,” “Twinz (Deep Cover 98),” “100%” and “It’s So Hard.” As a fellow portly performer that was lyrically sharp and charismatic, Pun helped fill a void that had been left vacant after Biggie died. Some could even argue that the Punisher’s success was a direct result of the groundwork that the Notorious B.I.G. laid out.

Born and raised in New York, I remember exactly where I was and what I was doing when Big died. I was chilling at the crib when the news came on NY1. My homeboy came through with a 40 later (I didn’t drink, though) and we just watched the TV in silence. The first thing I said to my man when I answered the door is, “Damn, they got him.”

Although I was a fan of Pun’s music, I wasn’t as emotionally tore up about his passing. Maybe it’s because I was knee-deep in the industry by that point and was already getting jaded. I was working at The Source at the time and all I can remember about that moment was working on the tribute issue for Pun, which was also the same month I got my first big promotion and was put in charge of the culture department. Needless to say, I was swamped and didn’t have much time to mourn.

While I don’t have as crisp a memory about Pun’s passing as I do of the Notorious B.I.G.’s, that doesn’t mean I respect the man’s talents any less. In fact, I was debating with my boys the other day that Pun may have actually been a better pound-for-pound lyricist than Biggie.

Yeah, I’m from Brooklyn and I said it.

True, Big flipped the script with Life After Death, which is one of the best double-albums in hip-hop, and even gave Bone Thugs-N-Harmony a run for their style on “Notorious Thugs,” but Pun had some sick bars. Tell me heads wasn’t hitting rewind when he spit, “Dead in the middle of Little Italy/Little did we/Know that we riddled some middleman who didn’t do diddily,” on “Twinz.”

Then of course there’s his monstrous verse on “The Dream Shatterer:”

“Ayo, I shatter dreams like Jordan, assault and batter your team/Your squadron’ll be barred from rap like Adam & Eve from the garden/I’m carvin’ my initials on your forehead/So every night before bed you see the ‘BP’ shine off the board head/Reverse that, I curse at the first wack nigga with the worst rap/Cause he ain’t worth jack/Hit him with a thousand pounds of pressure per slap/Make his whole body jerk back, watch the Earth crack/Hand him his purse back/I’m the first Latin rapper to baffle your skull/Master the flow, niggas be swearin’ I’m blacker than coal/Like Nat King, I be rappin’ and tongues packin’/The ones, magnums, cannons and Gatling guns/It’s Big Pun! The one and only son of Tony… Montana/You ain’t promised manana in the rotten manzana/C’mon pana we be mob rhymers/Feel the marijuana, snake bite, anaconda/A man of honor wouldn’t wanna try to match my persona/Sometimes rhymin I blow my own mind like Nirvana/Comma, and go the whole nine like Madonna/Go try to find another rhymer with my kinda grammar.”

On top of all the lyrical clinics he delivered, Pun—like Biggie—could also craft hit records. I always wished we could have heard the both of them on a track together, but unfortunately they didn’t share the spotlight while they both were alive. My real dream was to have them do an album together and call it Twin Towers. Could you imagine those two going back and forth for a full LP? Guaranteed classic material and maybe then we would have been able to see who was better.

What do you guys think; was Pun a better lyricist than Biggie? I’m not talking hit records and radio singles, but actual lyrical ability. Who was nicer with words on the mic? Why do you think people overlook Pun sometimes? Would Pun have been as successful if Biggie didn’t pave the way for him? Would you have liked to hear these two on a record together? Is it unfair to even compare these two because Pun didn’t have as much material as Big? Do you think Fat Joe and Joell Ortiz are reppin’ for the Latino MCs properly?

R.I.P. Christopher “Big Pun” Rios, November 10, 2009 – February 7, 2000. —Anslem Samuel

  • http://www.justice.gov.za GO-Getta’

    BIG PUN VS BIGGIE

    Flow = No1 can touch Biggie even as we speak

    Lyrical = It’s a toss they were both talented

    Delivery = Ask Bone Thugs & Harmony ,Biggie can twist that tounge of his but this 1 is a tie.Pun delivery was dope as hell

    Beats = Pun murked Biggie on this 1

    Swagg= When i look @ their phootshots i can’t help but wonder what the hell their stylists were thinking.

    Classics = Biggie had 2 classics material under his belt.
    Pun’s capital punishment was damn near classic status

    And the winner is………..?

    • that nigga

      BIG didnt twist shit in that song with Bone Thugs. PUN rapped like that without even tryin, what version of that song were you listening too? BIG couldnt rap fast for shit.

      • BIGNAT

        Big mastered all kinds of flows. pun on the other hand i loved him but when he performed live it never sounded like it did in the studio. the reason he use to take in a deep breath pound out some lines. stop the track and do a couple more lines. when they were doing one of those ten years after a artist first album dropped articles. one of the guys said that was how pun laid down his versus. no matter though i like them both very much as artist i would like to say biggie but out of respect to both. i will call it a tie

        • R. Cey

          I they used that technique only on the 2nd album

        • http://XXL Juggahnaught

          I’ve had this same debate with my boyz, to me Pun was a genius, Don t get me wrong Biggie had that slckness to his delivery but Pun just baffled n!66@s with what he was saying, and how he said it st8 flawless flow, classics like ‘my world’ and ‘watcah gonna do’
          I’m locked and i’m traped/in a giant cage/tryin ta savor these few diein days/that i have left in the form of flesh/ i lie in my grave/I’m tryin ta persuade my mind/and try ta be brave/and not give death the satisfaction of me diein affraid/ thats why i rise from the grave/ singing church songs like i was Jesus Christ Pa-rapapa-pum. THATS GENIUS!!!

    • bucket o’hatorade

      J5. I to this day have never seen a better flow than in A Day At The Races, every person on that track killed it more than either of these two. sorry…

    • $ykotic/Don McCaine

      Comparing 2 deceased rappers instead of letting their legacies stand on their own. Wow.

      And you don’t even drop the songs for the verses you dropped for the sake of argument.

      And:

      “R.I.P. Christopher “Big Pun” Rios, November 10, 2009 – February 7, 2000. —Anslem Samuel

      AND NOBODY CAUGHT THAT.

      • Curtis75Black

        “R.I.P. Christopher “Big Pun” Rios, November 10, 2009 – February 7, 2000. —Anslem Samuel

        AND NOBODY CAUGHT THAT.
        ________

        lol !! Most Definitely, I didn’t catch that at all.

        • http://XXLMAG.COM INTERNET BULLY

          BIGGIE FOREVER… PUN WOULD RIP A NEW ASS HOLE IN EVERY RAPPER OUT RITE NOW… BUT BIG? COME ON LYRICS AINT ALWAYS JUST USING MULTI SYLLABLE WORDS THAT RHYME TO MAKE SINCE… LOOSE A MAJOR PART TO HIM ARM LEG SHE BEGGING ME STOP BUT THIS CAT GETTING CLOSER GETTING HOT LIKE A TOASTER I COCKS THE TOAST UGH BEFORE MY EYES COULD BLINK SHE SCREAMS OUT HONEY BRING ME UP SOMETHING TO DRINK… COOL AS A FAN…

    • http://www.facebook.com/maxprofit Max Profit

      Pun was great but he suffered from the same problem AZ had for a while. His delivery got boring real quick. If Pun was around longer he would have become more versatile.

      Biggie is on EVERYONES top ten list.

  • Mike D

    Big was better

    • Chris S

      well of course pun was better “pound for pound”. he weighed like 700 lbs

      but i think Big L was better than both of them

  • http://www.myspace.com/gqnaija Darqness

    I for one believe Big Pun is better than Biggie…lyrical content…lyrical ability…tongue-twisting…breath control…

    I think Pun had it down to a t. My opinion.

    Word from Nigeria.

    • ILLWILL

      BIG was better, but Big L WAS BETTER THAN THE BOTH OF THEM!

      • mikel

        cosign

  • YOM

    I never compare them but BIG PUN is definitely in my top 3 right alongside Tupac & Big.
    I remember where I was when I first heard him spit and when I heard he passed.
    This cat I used to know told me I had to hear this new d.j.Clue tape and when “You Ain’t A Killer” came on I was hooked from then on.I had seen him with Fat joe in some videos but thought he was a body guard or something & it bugged me out when I found out he was the man behind the rhymes I was hearing.
    HE LOVED MUSIC & IT WAS OBVIOUS WHEN YOU HEARD HIM.HE MADE BIG HIT RECORDS & JUST HAD THAT “IT” FACTOR.ONE OF THE BEST TO EVER DO IT!!

  • http://xxlmag jb

    People will say biggie because he does have classic albums but in a battle Pun might just win! Idk. I cant say 4 sure…..

  • Dickdasturdly

    BIG would win. For the simple fact of he can hold the crowds attention cuz we KNOW he’d say some crazy line that’ll get niggaz sayin’ “OH SHIT”. Not to say that Pun couldn’t. But also we saw a progression in Biggie(if you liked L.A.D better than RTD). Pun’s Yeah Baby……meh. R.I.P to both.

    • RDS

      You just said it yourself:

      “BIG would win. For the simple fact of he can hold the crowds attention cuz we KNOW he’d say some crazy line that’ll get niggaz sayin’ ‘OH SHIT’.”

      Big had lines. Pun had entire verses. It’s as simple as that.

      My vote goes for Pun if you’re comparing strictly on lyrical ability, but it’s only natural. Hip-hop, up until that point, was a progression. Pun was the evolution of Big. He took what Big did and made it better because the MUSIC had evolved. The importance of lyrical ability, story-telling, instrumental choice, EVERYTHING…it all progressed.

      It’s great to debate this kinda stuff, but unfortunately we’ll just never know toe-to-toe. What I do know is Hip-Hop wouldn’t be on the life support it’s on now. Hip-Hop is indeed dead. Rap’s still here though. People get the two confused. Hip-Hop is not rap. Rap is Hip-Hop. If you understand that, you’re likely not a fan of Gucci Mane…

      No disrespect intended, of course.

      • Fon Z

        i hear ya… though i still have that hope for hip hop, these garbage rappers r killin it… they forgot wut it wuz all about

        fuck Gucci & Rick Ross!!

  • mike D

    as much as i love pun’s talents on the mic, and as dope as CP was

    he could have been better

    big mastered his craft by his second disc

    storytelling

    flow

    conceptual writing

    he just had his peak

    pun didn’t have his peak yet

    and Yeeeea Baby didn’t show him as a full artist

  • djPoohBaka

    Even though his career was tragically cut short, I have Pun in my top 5 MCs of all time….Biggies career was senselessly cut short, but he too is in my top 5 MCs list of all time…..With that said I have to put Biggie slightly ahead of pun on that list because Biggies rhymes were so complex yet simple at the same time and everyone can recite his rhymes from old to young man or woman…..Puns rhymes were complex and his flow was rediculous but not everyone can recite his words…..

  • http://www.wakeup.com WakeupPeople

    Big Pun had a skit on his album with Funk Master Flex talking about how he sat with Biggie and took pointers.

    That should remove all speculation.

    Biggie was the master.

  • awesome arsenal

    always liked Big’s verse on “Notorious Ones” but i’ve always said Big didn’t twist his flow and hang with Bone Thugs in that reguard. I’m from the Chi where dudes spit high speed lyrics (or used to) so to me it just sounds like he rapped faster than he normally flowed. It’s not like he really did the style like Jay on “Is That Your Bitch” where he actually hung with Twista in the speed delivery. I think people thought it was so good because of Pac’s god awful attempt with Bone Thugs and Nas’s horrible shot at high speed spittery. Also, Pun would’ve had an advantage spitting high speed because most people i know who speak spanish naturally talk faster unless they’re talking in english (no racism)

    • Enlightened

      You are right that Biggie didn’t “twist” on that song with BONE.

      I’ve always told niggas that. That’s what actually made it tighter to me. He didn’t try to rap like BONE. He rapped like Biggie. He did what an MC is supposed to, he took his own style and made it fit the beat.

      But you can’t point out any similarities in his flow and anything Bizzy, Wish, Krayzie or Layzie did.

      P.S. Pac came tight with Bone. What you mean? He just slowed his flow down instead of trying to speed it up.

      P.P.S. Nas went through a muthafuckin thang on “Big Things,” what are you talking about??!! (even though you could tell it wasn’t natural for him)

    • yoprince

      @ awesome arsenal

      what?!! PAC killed that shit my man. his voice alone was murder on that track.

      i agree nas’s triple time flow was suspect tho. big things was garbage, but then again so was that whole album.

      BIG > Pun

      Pun was talented, very talented. But BIG is better for the diversity of flows, his slow flow alone was revolutionary.

      • Enlightened

        WHAT???!!!! You think “I Am” was garbage??

        That’s why they are called opinions.

        To me, it was his best balance of hardcore and commercial.

        “I Am” is in Nas’ top 3 albums, in my opinion.

        • DetroitDraper

          I am was beautiful

  • that nigga

    Oh my fuckin god. You have to break this one down into categories, lyrical ability, storytellin’, etc… And @ WakeupPeople, Jay did the same thing that Pun did with BIG and Jay (for some odd reason) thinks he’s “better than BIG?”. Im sorry but im going with Big PUn on this one. He closely edges him out. Sorry people, no PUN intended.

  • http://xxlmag.com Blakout615

    According to Fat Joe,BIG was aware of Pun. Apperantly Fat Joe & BIG were suppose to be the original ‘Twinz’ & were planning on doing an album with each other.
    FAT JOE’S WORDS NOT MINE

    • http://xxlmag jb

      Yea Joe and B.I.G were planning on working wit each other b4 B.I.G’s death. Pun always said that he had wrote a verse that he planned on using on a song with B.I.G but because of the latter’s death he had to use the verse on something else. =-(

  • yeah man

    BIG all day. Pun was nice tho.

  • awesome arsenal

    that Pac verse sounded like a throw away to me and it maybe suffered moreso by being on a so so beat, in my opinion.
    and like i said before i’m from where rappers were/are actually skilled at doing the sped up cadences so if i hear someone/anyone (Nas) trying to use the style and doing so haphazardly it automatically detracts from anything you’re tryin to say. being one of the greats does not obsolve you from obvious missteps “You Owe Me”

    • Hanch

      Again, Pac didnt try to do speed up his rap on that verse. So not sure what your point is. What does 1 thing have to do with the other? Your from the Chi so what does your keen ability to hear fast cadences have to do with Pac slowing his down?

  • http://www.myspace.com/golden11 Golden, aka August Angeles

    I normally don’t comment, but I debate this all the time. To me it’s a no-brainer, Pun is way better than Big. Shit, Big ain’t even the best in Brooklyn, let alone the game as a whole. Jay, Busta, and Mos do more for me than Big did. Even Fab can get with him (just kidding). In my opinion, Biggie is dope, but highly overrated. He’s not even in my top 10, though I do have and have memorized all of his albums, including Born Again and Duets. But I also have and have memorized all of Kris Kross’ albums.

    I don’t understand why Pun gets overlooked, his wordplay, lyricism, and delivery were impeccable. Yes, I have all his albums memorized also, including Endangered Species. I have way more fun reciting a Pun rhyme because of the intricacies involved.

    • Brooklyn

      big ain’t the best in brooklyn? 65% of jay’s lyrics are biggie’s, busta was nice but he couldn’t fuck with biggie, and neither can mos. no other bk rapper could fuck with biggie. pun and big l come mad close, but they was from the bronx and harlem, but big got brooklyn on lock.

  • http://xxlmag.com Blakout615

    As far as BIG vs Pun, I have to give it to Pun when u break it down lyrically and flow wise. I personally think BIG was slightly overrated mainly due to how he was praised AFTER his passing. But with that said, I couldnt see Pun topping an album such as Life after death…
    So maybe Pun was the better MC and BIG was the better artist

  • Digla

    Pun was lyrically nicer

  • Magicc

    BIG PUN!!!!!!!!!!! LYRICS 1ST!!!!!!!!! Pun WAS A TRUE RAPPER!!!!!!

  • Mike D

    as much as i appreciate pun’s lyrics, rhyme schemes & patterns

    they were mostly great for battle rhymes

    big could use his lyrics to make actual songs tooo

    Big>>>>>>>>

  • http://xxlmag.com sean dollaz

    don’t get me wrong pun was ill with the fast delivery, but not only was biggie lyrical, knew how to separate singles form album cuts, but everything was off the dome.b.i.g could switch his style from a street record to a club banga with no written so come on big is the g.o.a.t.

  • RT 2090

    First of all RIP to both.
    Man I never really compared the two and this was a great question? So with that being said I think Pun had a crazier flow. BIG is hella tight but come on PUN freestyling? That boy is nice. But we’ll never know how they would go back and forth on the same song cause they both are gone. Its a damn shame. Do I think that Fat Joe Or Joell Ortiz are repping for the latinos? Fat joe… Helll mothafucking nooooo. I think he was bullshitting when he said “.. I musta found BIG PUN rhyme book”. Something like that. That fool can’t make a song now days. His flow is not what it just to be he sounds the same on everysong he now makes. Now Joell.. He tight. He doing it big with his group but he could rep our people more. But shit I wrote too much so BIG and PUN RIP.

  • looklikmoney

    Pun was a great Artist but was not better that B.I.G not only was life after the best double cd to date it was the best album to date Big change the game with that shit with endless street shit and radio friendly songs. Most songs today are carbin copy’s of what he did. i got a story to tell 10 crack commandments notourious thugs he was the first dude up North to spit bounce flow then everyone follow and his verse on that shit was crazy. Its almost as if you was in the room with him when he told a story of what went down. all that fat smooth nigga shit Pun bit from Big. Puns second album was trash he was recording that album right before he died. where was the growth where was the innovative shit. How about this if Big was still Around Jay-Z wouldn’t have gotten as big ass he did they would all have been shadows to him. atleast go song for song

  • Fon Z

    Biggie murks Pun… easily!

    gimme a harder song than Juicy… Pun dont got it

    • that nigga

      “Juicy”? Thats all you could come up with?? Damn homie. “Beware” kills corny ass Juicy. And @ Golden and Blackout, I can agree with your points.

      • Fon Z

        I’ll give you 5 more that Pun cant fuck with…
        10 Crack Commandments, Party & Bullshit, Who Shot Ya, Hypnotized, and another of my fav’s One More Chance!
        Dont get me wrong, I got luv for Pun but I think BIG is above him AND has a gap on him

        • BIGNAT

          you don’t need all that biggie’s versus on victory = ether to most rappers carrers

  • baddee

    To be honest, Yes. I’m not saying Biggie is whack or anything, I loved his music and his lyrics. He was very talanted. His rapskills however, is surpassed by Big Pun. The flow and the rhyme technique that Pun used is on a much higher level than Biggies.

    RIP Biggie and Pun!

  • ApolloKid551

    Now this is a good debate, now i like Biggie but he is a little overated in some instences but he does have the most 2 inportant hip-hop albums in history, Big Pun was magnificent but he made he wasent able 2 have that classic album now dnt get me wrong Capital Punishment is one of the best hip-hop albums of all time but it did not set the standard in hip-hop terms the way Ready To Die & Life After Death did, those 2 albums changed hip-hop it influenced the whole 2000s hip-hop era in terms of subject matter, content, album structure, flow, the cinematic production stylings & wordplay, Now i think lyricly I give Big Pun an edge cause his rhyme scheme, his lyrical structure, his flow, his wordplay mixed with his spinish influence was increible the way he flipped it was amazing, now i have 2 give the edge 2 Biggie cause of his impact & he made it possible for Pun cause 4 big dudes 2 be taken seriously & have style & swag just like a little dude, but this was a great combo..

  • Jay stone

    Big pun cant pick a beat to his life but the man can rap.
    Give him ready to die beats,the nigga will do it justice.
    But then again people forget that subjects also matters he said the same shit compare to biggie who can tell a story and you will feel like you are watching a fucking movie

  • WOODYWOOD

    Lyric for Lyric I would take Pun without question. As said, BIG’s flow was bar none, but we’re talking about lyric ability. It’s like comparing Jay and Nas. Jay garners attention due to style points but Nas is by far the better lyricist. Anyway, in my mind lyrics are everything and Pun was a complete monster. Although, both were great, Pun was the nicer of the two.

  • http://-- gaddic

    pUN WOULD WIN

    WINNING A RAP BATTLE DOESN’T MAKE YOU THE SUPERIOR MC

    mANY BATTLE RAPPERS COULD BEAT BETTER AND MORE TALENTED MC’S

    NAME ONE RAPPER WHO COULD BEAT eMINEM IN A RAP FREESTYLE BATTLE?

    aND eM ISN’T THE Goat

    • Notorious AGC

      Rick Ross……..LMAOOOOOOOO
      im fuckin wit u homie….

    • El Tico Loco

      Rhymefest and Necro actually have beaten Em (face to face).

      • http://federalranga.blogspot.com Federal Ranga

        Nigga, I want footage… I know ya word holds weight, but that I just GOTTA see or at least hear.

        Commission!!!

        • El Tico Loco

          That’s gonna be hard to find but you heard about the rap olympics where Em got runner up but got discovered? Well he was runner up to Fest. The L from Necro was on some street shit before either had a name in the game but as I’m told it was in front of Fat Beats don’t quote on that one but from listenin to most Uncle Howie related acts is very possible.

  • Notorious AGC

    BETTER THAN BIGGIE IN A PIE EATING CONTEST MAYBE.
    but, HELL NO, shame on xxl to post a blog like this..

    • Anonymous

      Big pun would eat that nigga biggies shit biggie is a great rapper flow story telling all of that i fuck with but pun had lyrics and delivery combined with speed when pun spit it felt like you were gonna have a heart attack his references were better than bigs big just had more of them pun had more of a package he was able to flow two languages together name another nigga able to do that. Listen to im not a player not the shit with joe the original and this niggas reference: Niggas is hard as hell but theyre yargamels picking on the smallest victim because im hard to kill. Thats the fucking smurfs nigga check the reference Big Pun all fuckin day R.I.P to both though both were ill as fuck.

  • Chilly Willy

    Biggie would win.

    I got love for both of them, though. Pun is a monster, he can murder everything you put him on. But Biggie could say some shit you’d have thought about, and just make you go GGOOOOOOODDDDDAAAAAAAAAAAMNNNNNN !!! “More gone or free man”, ain’t nothing complex about that, but when he’s saying it you go OH SHIIIITTT…

    This is what it boils down to, IMO. They’re both greats. But while Pun is a marvellous technician – breath control, flow, lyrics, content, technically, everything is perfect – Biggie is a natural, plain and simple.

    They’re naturally talented, yes, but Big’s expression is more effortless, fluid, natural, while Pun is a machine. So, that makes ME put Biggie ahead.

  • General

    I think Pun does get overlooked alot, but honestly he didn’t have the impact on the game that Pac or BIG did. I think if we are talking about straight up 16 bar lyrical ability then Pun was better, but a hot 16 doesn’t make a great artist. I think BIG is extremely overratted but his 2 CD’s did leave a dent in the game where as Pun never really put it all together before he passed…

    Winner=BIG

    • Curtis75Black

      @General,

      Reason being, How Pun Died !! It had nothing to do with Hip Hop, so Martyr status was not given to homie. Pun and Biggie, I 1st heard on the same level just like Pac, Nas and Jay : On the Next man’s track. Biggie was heard on a Heavy D track off his “Blue Funk” opus and Pun was on Fat Joe’s “Jealous One’s Envy”. Now, both emcees struck a cord with me with their flow, lyrics and vocal – made me wanna hear more from them !! I was glad when I saw Notorious BIG’s video for Juicy but wasn’t sure if it was the same cat. Pun I heard again on a FunkMaster Flex 60 mins and he blazed that shit. When “Capital Punishment” dropped, I quickly picked it up and just listened. Homie had me hooked from the 1st skit. They both were remarkable with how they put it down and it’s hard to compare the two because they were so different, yet so alike that if a battle could’ve happened, going with my gut, I’ll say with a slight edge, Pun would be victor. There’s just no telling what these emcee’s would’ve come up with against eachother off a Humble battle, No beef involved !!

  • TheR

    Its not even close. Big Pun shouldn’t even get mentioned in these lyrics conversations he is a wanna G Rap who sounds like hes gonna choke on his own words. Biggie

  • Dark_Caesar

    PUN got it

    “pacinamacinnabacathaac”

    ONE.

  • La G

    I know Biggie was the man in terms of flow n all that shit…but you saying he gave Bone a run for their money at their own style????Get tha fuck outta here…Biggie didn’t twist anything close to what Bizzy..Krayzie..Wish did..How you jacks gon’ suck Biggie’s dick like that and be so ignorant..

  • Broke Iz A Disease

    Pun is BY FAR the most overrated rapper of all time. I know I know, get over it.

    • Curtis75Black

      What makes Pun overrated ?

      • Broke Iz A Disease

        I mean, I just didn’t fuck with any of his music back then. Even his radio hits were wack to me(still not a playa)and asides from “Little Italy didn’t do diddly” I just couldn’t get down with his music. And to me, rhymin fast doesn’t have anything to do with being nice. It just means you can rhyme fast.

        • Curtis75Black

          But that doesn’t make him overrated. That just makes him a emcee you couldn’t get with. I can say the same for plenty of emcee’s but I can recognize the talent of them. As far as Rhyming fast, That’s not all he did. Truthfully, you’re alot older now, go back and peep Capital Punishment as a elder fan now. You might appreciate the talent now.

        • El Tico Loco

          @ BIAD
          So you think what Pun did was easy and anybody can do it?

        • Broke Iz A Disease

          @75 point taken, he def didn’t suck. But I can’t put him anywhere near the top 10. I just can’t.

          @Loco I didn’t say he wasn’t talented. Just overrated. My opinion is that his music wasn’t great. Its like a ball player going to the Hall Of Fame. There’s plenty of dudes that were perennial All Stars that didn’t make it in. They had good careers but they are not top shelf. That’s how I feel about Pun. I also think, just like with many dead artists, his death propelled him to a higher plane then he was really at.

    • Mika

      overrated ???? you’re just stooopid as fuck to say that….and thats that…. stooopid

  • Mr. North

    Pun was nice but he was more of an artist like Eminem meaning that though they may speak on some personal matters, for the most part they just spit a whole bunch of lines that sound good. Very lyrical. With that said Pun did not really have songs that would connect to you personally. BIG could do that. BIG def was not a good fast spitter but he was able to connect with the people on a real level that I feel Pun did not do in his songs just a bunch of songs and ryhmns not really alot of concepts. But dont quote me Im not the biggest fan of Pun. In the top 10? Prob so. Top 5 NO. Its alot of rappers that are still alive and not relavent that were better artist than Pun in their prime (Spice 1 for example). RIP to both. And yes, BIG is STILL better than Jay-Z.

    • latino heat

      @ Mr. North

      Spice 1 > PUN?!

      come on man. i’m from the Bay and i don’t agree with that. that sounds like something one of these Bay Area stans out here would say. one of the ones that tries to tell me Mac Dre is better then Jay-Z. and yes i’ve really had that argument out here more times than i can count.

      • Mr. North

        I hear you Latino Heat, but 187 He Wrote was better than Puns first album in my opinion. But I did not here it when it first dropped so I may be biased. And I’m not from the Bay or even from the west coast just my thoughts. The only artists I may be a “stan” for is Serengeti (look him up)and Outkast (yes both Big and Dre). Other than that I just want to hear the music and feel a little more than just being entertained by a random series of lyrics.

        • latino heat

          @ Mr. North

          don’t get me wrong Spice 1 in his prime was dope. and he has classic records. me and my homey and some other dudes actually blazed with Spice 1 in front of this bar one night a few years back. but i just don’t think he was in the same league as Pun. just my opinion though.

  • capcobra

    biggie better than pun…but nas is the g.o.a.t.

    • yoprince

      true story.. lyrically NAS is eating both of their food.. and that’s even if you just wanna count his first two albums to make it fair.

  • Kry

    BIG was better…maybe lyrically they are tied, but overall BIG takes it. I mean honestly, Pun only had one hot album. Yeahh Baby was kind of a dissappointing follow up to the classic CP. I’ll be honest I think Pun was on the decline, where BIG was simply getting better. Both had 2 albums, and BIG’s blew Pun’s out the water. Don’t get it twisted tho, Pun was a beast.

  • latino heat

    i remember the day Pun died i was actually listening to the 1st Terror Squad album. someone called and told me he was dead but i thought it was just a rumor. so for the next couple hours i sat flipping through the news channels with the radio on too. neither the news or radio confirmed his death for hours. just an example of the lack of respect that Pun gets. when BIG died it was all over the news as soon as i woke up that morning. you know how the media likes to promote rapper violence though. there’s nothing glorious about essentially eating yourself to death so the media dosen’t cover that.

    back to the point though. BIG is my all time favorite on the mic, but i do have to agree with everyone that said Pun would win a battle. if you compare their 2 albums (yeah they only had 2 albums. fuck the rest of that shit that came out) head to head though there’s no comparison. CP was classic but not at the same level of RTD. and YB was just, eh like others said. while LAD was another classic.

  • Escobar9300

    It’s a very close race, but I definitly think Biggie could have roasted Pun in a freestyle battle. I honestly thing we didn’t even see half of what BI was capable of before he died. Dude was untouchable with that “I got seven mac eleven’s, about eight 38′s, nine 9′s, 10 mac 10′s, the ish never ends.” Dude had a flamethrower hidden under his tounge.

  • http://xxlmag.com the brown

    Yo! I don’t give a care what anybody says: Big Pun sucked! “Packin’ a mack in the back of Ac.-Packin a mack in the back of an Ac”. That’s all this “‘rican” could say back in the day, claimn he was from New York. He got on my last nerve, just like that Pun, but not as much as that Fat Fuck Joe!
    Biggie wouldn’t even have to say all that much.

  • Curtis75Black

    Fantastic 4
    John Blaze
    Off The Books
    Tres Leches
    Super Lyrical
    Twinz
    New York Giants, not to mention whatever tracks he blazed off the 1st Teror Squad cd and various Freestyle sessions. Look at the caliber of emcee’s he Wrecked off those collabos whether you want to believe it or not, How can you call this man overrated ?!! If anything, Pun is Underappreciated based off his latin upbringing. I hate to say it but it’s true.He brought it on every track with his witty, hardcore humor and lyrical techniques. Homie did something only a crew like Cypress Hill did. Mic Geronimo, Special Ed, Frost and Mellow Man Ace didn’t. He held his own with the best of them with no problem.

  • Brooklyn

    damn, we talking about two of my favorite rappers right now, this shit is hard as fuck. they were both nice as shit, they were both beasts, they both had a nice flow, but i think biggie might have taken it. there was an effortlessness to biggie’s rhymes, like he wasn’t even thinking about that shit, it was just flowing naturally. some of pun’s shit is a little more calculated, it sounds as if a little more thought was put into it. biggie had a special cadence that pun didn’t, one that’s often imitated, but never duplicated. nah, big would’ve won that.

    • yoprince

      @ brooklyn

      you put it perfectly. i was too blazed to think of how to put that earlier.. but yea BIG made it look easy basically.

      in a battle, I think Pun would impress the crowd, but BIG would win them over.

      • Brooklyn

        big definitely made it look easy, it was so uncanny how he was able to flow like that. and big made it look so easy that he influenced a whole generation of rappers. i’m not saying that pun didn’t, but few niggas before big were trying to flow exclusively off the head.

  • awesome arsenal

    @hanch
    pac probably tried to rap fast and realized he couldn’t so he went with the extra slow flow that extra sounded labored too. he didn’t flow like that ever again on any track that i’ve heard of…..i wonder why? and i’m speaking on where i’m from because back in the day you could listen to rap and could instantly tell where someone was from or who influenced them. all the regions had their own cadences and dialect that made them pop at home, not necessarily everwhere else though. but that’s before everybody started rappin/dressin the same.

  • watz

    the notorious BIG was an all round better artist, flow wise, his ability to connect people, his street prowess, mafioso style and essentially his commercial nouse. Pun was an immense talent and has a great album (CP) but as some one said the progression from RTD to LAD was outstanding, people were witnessing a master craftsman in BI just getting better and better, more lyrical and concepts for days, and remember diddy was still the exec producer and in my opinion kind of stifled Biggie as an out an out battle rhyme slinger as he saw BI as a cash cow in the commercial sense. two top MC’s though.. but BIG is still the ILLEST and he been gone for 12 years that shows you how ahead of his time he was, even nas said it

  • ThingAlec

    Even though Biggie paved the way, I think Pun was better. I can’t think of on MC who can spit like Pun. And yes Yeeeahh Baby wasnt that great, but i think Capital Punishmet was better than both Ready To Die and Life After Death

  • TheGhostface

    Flawless victory you niggaz can’t do shit to me
    Physically lyrically hypothetically realistically

    I Still think biggie gets the edge though.

  • El Tico Loco

    Pun got Biggie all day, Pun was first of all a rappers rapper so it takes other rappers to understand the complexity of a Pun verse; this cat didn’t waste ink or breath on a beat his technique was just bananas, Biggie was impressive for no writtens but he could not match Pun. But it all goes back to perspective is like basketball ball players feel Dwayne Wade is better than Lebron, basketball fans feel Lebron is better than Wade

  • Vic De Zen

    Wow…I’ve never realized how tough a comparison that would be. Damn. If we were talking just straight lyricism, nothing else it’s a toss up really. Big Pun had fun lyrically. The type of fun Biggie wasn’t allowed to have on his tracks. I mean the most fun I remember Biggie having was his track with Jay on Reasonable doubt. Big Pun would kill tracks with ease because he was allowed to do it. But when it came to a story being told, nobody did it better than Biggie. He was it. Nobody does it better. That is such a tough comparison with no clear cut winner.
    -Vic De Zen

    • Jay R

      im gonna respectfully disagree and say Ghostface is the greatest story teller

  • El Tico Loco

    Pun got Biggie all day, Pun was first of all a rappers rapper so it takes other rappers to understand the complexity of a Pun verse; this cat didn’t waste ink or breath on a beat his technique was just bananas, Biggie was impressive for no writtens but he could not match Pun. But it all goes back to perspective is like basketball ball players feel Dwayne Wade is better than Lebron, basketball fans feel Lebron is better than Wade.

  • Fon Z

    Pun wuz never the face of New York, let alone the East Coast like BIG. Big is too great for Pun, lyrically, in sales, etc. I’ll admit that controversy did influence his career but those are moves you make in life cuz BIG wasnt a saint & Pac the devil…

    …and lets no talk about basketball cuz KOBE got that homie

  • Dickdasturdly

    Left my reply up here earlier. In a “Battle” u ain’t worrying about “Verses”. You wanna here a nigga spit “Hot Lines”. Now I don’t know about Puns writing concept written down or freestyle. The whole point of a battle is: OFF TOP OF THE HEAD. We all know what B.I.G could do in that regard. In a battle in most situations the nigga wit the most “OH SHIT” or “DAAAMN” replies wins lol.

  • C. Hop

    Duh! Pun kills dude. Realize an artist most of the time gets to where he gets by the position the label puts him in. Big had the plug with Puff and was his artist. Puff pushed Big and force fed him to us. Rappers like Big L and Sean Price are the best from NY but never got the push. Look at all the guest spots and R&B songs on Biggie’s cd. It’s like saying Soulja Boy or Gucci are better than Black Thought or Nas cause they’re force fed to us. If you think I’m hating look at how many artists were supposed to be ‘fire’ and what they did indie w no label push. Canibus, Young Buck, Paul Wall come to mind. Dirty from Alabama came out on Universal at the same time as Nelly and came with a damn near classic disc and got dropped cause they weren’t as marketable.

    • Mr. North

      Dirty was the shit. Their first album was good. Their second album ehhh….

      but Im very upset that they’re not around. A shame.

  • BOSS D.R.E.

    Pun hands down! I love Big. The number Jamaican in rap. But lyrically Pun had Boy Boy beat.

  • el loco22

    first of FUCK FAT JOE,
    lyricaly Pun has it if ya haven’t heard yeah baby go and listen to it is a great album and kills 50cent on the my turn no Flow is a tie and But Biggie had better promotion team and had more swagg than pun so that’s why he had more success than pun

  • balaramesh

    both of them were elite. many guys thought i was dissing their hero lil wayne when i said they were average bars due to years of listening to both big and pun. the winner = both.

  • http://myspace.com/blublack BluBlack

    Big was better, But Pun was a beast, Those 2 layed the ground work for Rick Ross. But Big lycially made deeper songs than Pun did, his story telling skills where up there with Slick Rick. Big could make a song about meeting and smashing a shorty like (STORY TO TELL) to WHATS BEEF, to JUICEY,to GOING BACK TO CALI , and on and on, he was just sicker, the pictures he painted made you think you was the fly on the wall watching it all. Thats my dude, one of the best that ever did it. Who would of thought that BIG AND PAC, would leave a void that the game still cant fill 13 years later. BIG HANDS DOWN

  • YO!!

    Pun was better. Im sorry Big was nice but a little overrated . Pun came out the gate nice. It took Biggie to get with Puffy on Bad boy to be hot. If you listen to all them Mr C tapes they were good but not crazy . Pun ate everyone on a track. He rapped with underground and mainstream . He put P.R on the map again . He would have ate big if Big didnt die. Biggie is my man 50 grand but pun was the next level of Kool G rap Flow. I think if biggie would have done one more album he would have been better . Just some of puns beats were wack

  • chronwell

    Pun would win.

  • megulito

    lol when did jay-z become like the worst rapper in the world? everyone seems to hate this dude how are his records selling?
    anyway pun- biggie is like an em-jay thing diff rap style great flows but your not sure whos better

  • http://xxlmag.com mackbone

    WOW!! YALL CNT B HIPHOP HEADS LISTEN 2 ALL THE SUBLIMINAL LYRICS & MESSAGES BIG PUT N. CLOSE YOUR EYES N SEE THE PICTURES HE PAINTD N ‘NIGGAS BLEED’ SOMEBODY GOTTA DIE.. BIGGIE… YALL GOTTA B KIDDING!!!! THE TOTALLY NEW FLOW N HYPNOTIZE BIGGIE WAS THE DONALD GOINES OV HIPHOP HE STILL HAS NO PIERS LYRICALLY… NAME ! CORNY SONG OR VERSE FROM BIG???? THOUGHT SO!!!

  • Jae Milliano

    @ Apoloo Kid551

    Big had to of the most important albums is the history of rap? Miss me with that bullsh-t!

    Ready to Die was classic but Life After Death wasn’t. It was alright but not the 2nd most important album in hip hop, not even top 20 and thats just off memory probably not even that if you really think about.

    I think Pun was nice but he isnt top 10, no where near goat status. He had a hot album (Capital Punishment) and a suspect one (Yeeaah Baby).

    Lyrically I have to give the edge to Big. Pun flow was better but Pun couldnt touch Bigs wordplay.

    And to all ya’ll cats trying to make a case for Pun, please find something other than his verse from Dream Shatterer and Twinz. Did ya’ll forget about his verse on John Blaze or Onyx’s Shut em Down Remix? I find it funny bloggers and everybody else use to the same line and verse to defend his status.

    And whoever said I Am was garbage…wow, thats your opinion but it just sounds like hate to me

  • http://MYSPACE HELTAH SIN SAY

    BIGG PUNN HAD WAY MORE FLOW THEN BIGGIE WHAT THE FUCK YALL TALKING ABOUT???????????????????

    NOW MIND YOU!!! BIG PUNN DIDNT HAVE WHAT BIGGIE HAD!! MOTHER FUCKERS ARE ALWAYS MIXXING UP SHIT AND TALENTS! MOTHER FUCKERS CANT DIFFERENCIATE THE QUESTIONS! “WAS BIG PUNN A BETTER M.C” YES HE HAD MORE ENERGY AND WAS MORE A RYM SPITTER.

    NOW! BIGGIE HAD WHAT IT TOOK TO TAKE IT TO THE TOP, BIGGIE WAS A BETTER STORY TELLER BY LIGHT YEARS AHEAD OF PUNN!!

    PUNN WOULD EXCITE THE CROWD AND PUMP IT UP TYPE OF CAT AND A PRO AT THAT.

    BIGGIE WAS MORE INTERESTING, MORE INTRIGUING!

    BUT PUNN WAS A BETTER RYM SPITTER RAW RAPID.
    HOW FUNNY HOW AMONGST THE TWO STYLES OF THOSE LEGENDS ONE WAS A SUAVE ASS DUDE WHOS MUSIC MADE MONEY AND ONE WAS A PURE RUGGED STREET LYRICIST!

    ITS ALMOST LIKE ASKING “WHAT CAME FIRST THE CHICKEN OR THE EGG”

  • El Tico Loco

    Fuck it why aren’t we holdin the new rappers to either one their standards? We won’t ever be able to appreciate how nice they both were anymore because they both went 2 and out, same for Big L and they were all beasts in their own right. So we sat here saying Big was this Pun was that, negative and positive. Biggie evolved of Kane’s style, Pun evolved from KGR style that’s another debate in itself. So with that said stop giving the wack and/or mediocre shit out now passes. It just might save the industry

  • Yo

    The reason why i saw say Pun came from KGR because you syllable in his flow with streets wisdom . pun just did it way nicer

  • Yo!!

    PUN ALBUM IS JUST AS IMPORTANT AS bIG . PUN FIRST LATIN RAPPER TO GO PLAT. WHEN HE WAS ALIVE SOLD THREE MILLION. PEOPLE WENT CRAZY WHEN HE CAME OUT.

  • Primodagodd718

    Okay this is a battle I’ve often debated over too..1st off I gotta say that BIG is my all time favorite MC, but @ this point (with some guilt from Mr. Cee) i have to admit that Hov is the best of all time. U can’t deny this man’s body of work, on/off the mic…but that’s another convo. As far as BIG v PUN, its been said a couple of times, & i think cats need to hear it again, PUN WAS A BEAST. I don’t think u can be a true fan of hip-hop…scratch that, a fan of TRUE MC’s a not see that. If you say otherwise, any conversation with you about MC’s is over. In a battle, i think BIG would win b/c of 1 simple point..I think Pun’s rhymes would go over most peoples heads in a battle type scenario. His lyricism, & delivery was SO fast AND complex, I don’t think you could honestly appreciate in that setting. You almost HAVE to listen to Pun several times to really HEAR everything.BIG’s style, flow & delivery would be perfect for that type of crowd. And BIG still has the rewind factor too…its just that BIG spit his lines so effortlessly (shouts 2 Brooklyn), & it was done with such ease, most people slept on it, & didn’t notice the complexities until much later…simply b/c it was constructed & put together in such a simple way, it went undetected. Great comparison btw the 2. I got MAd love for PUN & always will b/c i love hip-hop. I’m gonna give it to BIG, for being more well rounded…no PUN intended.lol

  • http://MYSPACE.COM/BLUBLACK BLUBLACK

    PUN HAD SICK VERSE, BIG HAD SICKER SONG, BIGS WORD PLAY WAS SICKER AND HIS STORY TELLING WAS SICKER. PUN HAD THE ILL STREET SHIT LIKE KOOL GEE RAP, THATS WHAT MADE HIM CRAZY. DUDES SAYING HIS PROMOTION WASNT AS MUCH AS BIGS, THATS BULL SHIT, BIG HAD MORE SWAGG THAN PUN, HE MADE BEGIN FAT HOT, PUN PUT PR ON THE MAP, BUT THAT DONT MAKE HIM HOTTER, SONGS DO,YEAH HE SPIT FAST, BUT IN THE STUDIO, HE HAD TO BE PUNCH IN ALL THE TIME,CAUSE HIS BREATH CONTROL FOR A BIG DUDES WASNT ABLE TO SPIT THAT SHIT STRAIGHT SO ALL THAT SPITTING FASTER DONT MEAN NOTHING, BUT THE MORE AM WRITING IS THE MORE I WISH THEY COULD OF DID SONGS TOGETHER,CAUSE THEY BOTH WAS HOT TO DEATH. THATS HOW WACK THE GAME IS NOW CAUSE THOSE TO LEFT A VOID THAT NO HEAVY RAPPER CAN EVER FILL, (MYSPACE.COM/BLUBLACK)

  • primodagodd718

    @ Yo great comment btw b/c i was gonna say the exact same comparison…comparing BIG & PUN is like comparing G. Rap to Kane.

    @ C.Hop and all u other clowns who said that BIG (or PUN) was overrated, smack yourselves in the face. TWICE. I STILL can’t believe C. HOP compared/paralleled BIG to f*cking Soulja Boy & Gucci Man. Any statement u made after that point was completely ignored just b/c you said that dumb sh*t. But it is ur opinion…just b/c Puff was a marketing MONSTER didn’t mean he had 2 force feed BIG to us. Most of us WANTED to hear BIG. Its not the same as this sh*t they do these days with the likes of these cats like Gucci & whoever else. Comparing BIG to these cats is damn near BLASPHEMY.

  • HipHopFive15

    Ima have to say Pun got Biggie lyrically. Biggie is my man and sick as fuck, no doubt, but Pun got him on the lyrics. Kind of. Rhyme wise pun had him but Big got stupid detailed with his story tellin and Pun couldnt really match that. I dunno. Whatver is is R.I.P. to both. Oh and the reason Pun aint as known as Biggie is because after big and pac died and the whole east west coast beef was publicized it blew them way way up – not takin anything away from either of em – but Pun wasnt really blown up near as much after her died

  • Money Mitch

    I thin the general consensus is big pun is sick as hell lyrically and so was big even if pun had the slight edge lyrically big’s overall style and charisma put him over the top image does factor in right or wrong big was the complete package pun seems to be just an ill ass rapper the illest spanish rapper period but i think big is givin’ the title although i will say pun is one of the very few that can give big a legitimate run for his money.

  • http://www.paemepromotions.com JMack

    I have been waiting for people to FINALLY arrive at this conclusion. If the game needed two emcees resurrected with AAALLLL DUE RESPECT i would choose Big Pun and Big L

    much love to them all though its some peeps in this generation smart enough to uphold the legacy.

    one of them is from Dallas……….

  • Incognegro_22

    Notorious B.I.G. was better than Big Pun. Pun was nice, but not on B.I.G.’s level. I loved the way he used his lyrics to paint pictures of his life and the streets of Brooklyn.

  • 11KAP

    I gotta give my man Pun his props. I liked Big, but he was more a romantic/commercial lyricist with materialistic rhymes. Pun was straight gutter/underground lyricist with a spanglish flow. Even tho he could spit romantics too, he was mostly on his gangsta-don shit. Not too many emcees out here can think in spanish yet rhyme in english. Real talk lol, and yes, I’m a brooklyn nigga too, but that’s just my opinion.

  • Chaka

    Lyrically Pun is better than BIG.Pun has so many verses dat would not only make ya crack head,but appreciate the imagination of the artist Pun.Check out”beware”,”Glamour life”,”John Blaze”,”leather weapon”,”you aint a killa”.To me,Biggie was way too material during his time..

    “I use 2 live in d gutter/me n my mother/now she is 50 yrs old/pushin a hummer”-Big Pun

  • Dominikingz

    I would have to say BIG because he had 2 classic albums instead of 1 by PUN. ( Yeah baby was good but not great). PUN is a top 10 MC though, no doubt about it.

  • NAPTOWNNUISANCE

    not on his best day.pun was a one hit wonder.big had classics.2pac still the best dead or alive

    • Fon Z

      co-sign with homie…

      its ‘Pac ALL DAY!!!!!!!!!

  • C. Hop

    if Primo could read he’d see that I said giving a rapper props for being popular is like giving Soulja Boy more credit than Black Thought. Biggie is NOT fucking w/ Sean Price. Personal style and aura doesn’t make Big a better MC. The n*gga had 2 discs FULL of guests and R&B tracks. Most popular of all time, yes. Best ever, no. Biggie’s cds weren’t even as good as Resonable Doubt.

    • Brooklyn

      biggie’s cds weren’t as good as “reasonable doubt”? get the fuck outta here! “ready to die” was fire, front to back, and how many guests were on there? i can only recall method man on “the what”, and they both tore that shit up. biggie not fucking with sean price? that’s hilarious, sean price couldn’t touch biggie, straight up. yeah, the nigga was popular, but so is jay-z, so jay shouldn’t be given any props either? it’s possible that biggie was popular because he was great. yeah, puff managed him, but he also managed craig mack, and when’s the last time you heard from that nigga? craig mack didn’t have the ability that biggie did. now, i’ll give it to you, “life after death” wasn’t as good as “ready to die”, it was a great deal more commercial, but it was still better than “reasonable doubt.” you jay-z fans seem to forget that jay-z usurped biggie’s style.

      • C. Hop

        Reasonable Doubt was perfection by accident. Nas too Rakim’s style and made it better. KFC is good but Popeye’s is better. I’m not saying Biggie wasn’t great, but not the best. Take Jeter off the Yankees and stick him in Kansas City and see how he does. Most of the best music doesn’t come off majors or get airplay. You gotta find the best sh*t in all areas of life.

  • marz

    PUN pound for pound
    ” Flawless victory you niggaz can’t do shit to me
    Physically lyrically hypothetically realistically
    I’m the epitome of catchin’ wreck, catch you when you cash your check
    Smash you when you pass then jack you for your fuckin’ Lex
    Nothin’ less than the best if the squad did it
    Hard-headed niggaz better beware and fear like God said it”

    imo

  • C. Hop

    I’m not saying or trying to act like dude wasn’t one of the best ever to rap, but head to head I give the edge to Pun. Reasonable Doubt is one of the best CDs in music history. It was so good, people heard about it and went BACK to get it years later. Saying Biggie is the best is like saying Bo Jackson is the best RB. Bo did sh*t nobody did or will do before or since, but not long enough to be the best. In a quick head to head battle Pun wins cause he says stuff that hits you right now. Biggie made cd that had a vibe like watching a movie. Pun is instant gratification. Sean Price is one of the best ever for real. Bar None. You got downloading to do. Sean has a catalog. Craig Mack was a test, LOL. He made Black Rob and G. Dep hot. He did try a fewwww times w Craig though.

  • oskamadison

    Big vs. Pun. If you’re talking about Ready To Die Biggie then Pun gets it. LifeAfter Death Biggie? It’s a toss up. Pun was more of a technician with his but Biggie was more accessible. By the way, I have 2 Pun verses y’all forgot about: his freestyle with Fat Joe on Funk Flex’s first mixtape and his verse on Fat Joe’s “Firewater”.

  • DISRUPOn3

    wow, so many of you are dickriders..

    BIG was a very good emcee, PUN was a very good emcee, theres no better or best. I get sick reading some of these bullshit ass comments from e-nerds who have no idea what the fuck there talking about..

    by the way whoever said PUN shouted out BIG as one of his biggest influences when it came to his music your a fucking idiot. PUN gave credit to NAS not BIG…

    most of yall are dumbfucks! PEACE!

  • primodagodd718

    Actually C. Hop that’s NOT what you said..here’s a copy/paste what u said: “Puff pushed Big and force fed him to us. Rappers like Big L and Sean Price are the best from NY but never got the push. Look at all the guest spots and R&B songs on Biggie’s cd. It’s like saying Soulja Boy or Gucci are better than Black Thought or Nas cause they’re force fed to us.” And I said any comparison/parallel between BIG & f*cking Soulja Boy or Gucci man on ANY level was BLASPHEMY. Ur basically saying that, b/c in ur opinion BIG was “force fed to us” didn’t make him as nice as people make him out to be…but at the same time it doesn’t mean that he WASN’T nice. Don’t get it confused, BIG L & Ruck (Sean P) are dope…but just like Sean P said, “U KINDA nice but we not the same.” That’s my thoughts about them & BIG.

  • C. Hop

    and as you can see from your cut and paste, you can see I said giving a rapper props for being popular is like saying Soulja and Gucci are better than Nas or Black Thought. And I don’t think Big is the best. I can’t get behind a dude who rapped almost solely about dope and material stuff. It was a created character, I wasn’t much of a fan. Can’t be the king and controlling stuff, and having to wait to get Puff’s card to get signed. He could have made moves alone. I also don’t feel the big poppa playa sh*t when he married Faith two weeks after they met. We know how that turned out.

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  • LENZ

    No contest Pun was better than BIG. Everyone says biggie kept his flow simple and that made him better. If you are too dumb to understand it, that doesn’t mean the man wasn’t incredible. It just means you need to get smarter, and step your game up. Pun did it all 1st album. Nobody does that……..

  • hen-dog

    As far as lyrics it’s easily pun he would run circles around big. But the better overall artist of course it was big. Big was more creative, made better music and was more versatile. But Pun was just much sharper and rhyme scheme and technique was much better.

  • hendog

    And as far as latinos repping, Joe never really repped for latinos too much. Joel is good at it we don’t expect him to shout out boriqua every second nor rap in spanish. But he does a good job of repping .

  • hendog

    I think pun was so underrated because he didn’t get shot honestly. I think if he were killed as opposed to a heart attack I think he would be praised alot more. Unfortunate but I do think that is the true reason why.

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  • http://www.xxlmag.com Prince Osei

    Big pun had the ability to use the new school rap flow but the king of ny,biggie smalls combined ol’skuul rap to new skuul rap n that should tell u who was ahead.Big Pun had a skit on his album with Funk Master Flex talking about how he sat with Biggie and took pointers.pun was good but biggie smalls was the best.just listen to his old flows been fixed in newly created beats check out lean back rmx.,n that will tell u who we dealing with.finally,he’s the only rapper that most rappers use his lines often.when u talk of big l been better than biggie smalls,it’s sounds a lil’bit funny.u heard what big l said in one of his lines?peace to biggie n pac cus they really was hot. canibus said in one of his lines that,the best rapper of all time died on march 9th,rest in peace kid.cuz of u i know what beef is…..talking aba story telling hmmmm i wonder who can challenge this emcee.they all good but trust the Biggie frank white wallace…..