Plies: Kind of a pussy?

I heard that segment on Jamie Foxx’s show on Sirius satellite radio about Plies being confronted on the set of one of his videos, and I wasn’t sure whether or not to take it as confirmation at last that Plies is kind of a pussy.

On the one hand, hiding in a closet somewhere while Jamie Foxx confronted them sounds like some pretty weak shit. Which is not to say that that’s not what I would have done, if I would have been in that situation. But on the other hand, there were like 30 of them, all dressed in oversized white t-shirts, and probably not because they could afford better and they were just trying to make a fashion statement. What would 2Pac have done in this situation?

There have been a number of clues, over the years, that Plies might not be as much of a badass as he and the TIs would like you to think.

The first sign was a couple of years ago, when I read an article over at HipHopDX about an incident Plies was involved in outside of a nightclub down in Florida. It sounded like the typical negro nonsense. One guy may have scuffed another guy’s expensive Nikes, or some shit. A little Hpnotiq might have gotten on the Swooshtika. If I had the means I’d set up permanent cameras in areas where shit like that might happen, just in case. Maybe one day World Star Hip Hop will reach that level. They’ve been absolutely visionary in their work with cam hoo-ers.

I wouldn’t have thought anything of it the story on Plies, except I was surprised to learn that he’s a middle aged man named Algernod, who didn’t have any criminal record to speak of until just then. Seriously? It may not be uncommon to hear about someone who committed a serious crime, who didn’t have a criminal record up until that point. For example, I seem to recall that one of the kids who split Derrion Albert’s head open to the white meat hadn’t been in the system. But he was just a high school kid. Plies is probably more than twice his age.

What’s the likelihood that Plies lives the life he sings about in his songs, but he’s somehow managed to evade law enforcement (Officer Ricky ‘nem) all this time? Lord knows I can hardly drive to City Hall to pay one bullshit speeding ticket, without having to look over my shoulder for 5-0, lest I get another one. And I drive a minivan.

I consulted the world’s most accurate encyclopedia, and, wouldn’t you know, Plies went to college. Yeah, he didn’t graduate, but that’s probably just because he wasn’t smart enough. Even if his mom was the head of the English department, and he was allowed to attend for free, and it was an HBCU, he may have struggled for a few years and just said, fuck it, and been bitter about it for the rest of his life. No shots at Kanye West, who’s having a hard enough year as it is. In an age when so many black guys can’t even graduate from inner city high schools, the fact that Plies even started college in the first place ought to be a red flag.

All of a sudden, Plies’ music is starting to make sense to me. One of the first Plies songs I ever heard was a song posted to this site’s Bangers section, which someone told me was hilarious, because Plies kept using the term “cracka” (as in a white person) over and over again. Indeed, I listened to it, and it was. Even if it wasn’t for all of the c-bombs, it might still be one of the most vulgar songs I’ve ever heard – with the caveat that Neko Case (who is kinda gangsta) is the top artist in my last.fm. However, as someone pointed out in the comments section way back when, the point Plies was making in that song was suspiciously well thought out. It wasn’t just him shouting, fuck these crackas, ad nauseum, which I’m sure would have been good enough, for Noz’s purposes.

Then there was that song by him that – I’m not gonna lie – I actually kinda liked. It sounded sorta like a New Edition song, thus reminding me of the last time R&B was worth listening to, a good 20 years ago at this point. Who wants to bet the production was Plies’ idea? That was probably his jam, back in high school. When he wasn’t busy studying, that is.

  • N.O. 4 life

    lmao…man if you go watch the interview about that songs this man sound like he went to one of those good schools in the hood that you gotta take a test to get in…he is extremely smart…so all this music is probably so terrible because you know havin terrible music these days is where the ringtone money at

  • fatDAN

    Impostors should not be tolerated. Good for him that he went to school. But, to take on a fake persona only to market himself as a music artist. “Pussy” is too tough a word for him. He a Vanilla Ice anyway. When are people going to learn you can’t fake this type of shit and get away with it.

  • David HussleSoft

    We all know most of these rappers are fake anyway I just hope he does not get himself killed. Its fucked up when anyone dies but its worse when you die representing somethin thats false.

  • HNIC

    Ever since I heard Plies speak, during an interview, I knew that he was a fraud. He actually spoke the King’s English properly, as if he were a learned Doctor. Yet, when you turn on any of his songs, you would think that you had somehow stepped into a time machine & were transported back to the Jim Crow days of yore, before we could openly admit that we could read. This cat is a real life version of CB4; for shame.

    Plies shouldn’t portray the “gangsta” persona, if he doesn’t truly live (or previously lived) it. I know that some would argue that most of these cats are actors. Point taken, but, it doesn’t justify their glorifying a lifestyle that’s being imitated by the youth, who can’t discern fact from fictional entertainment. To some, misguided, disenfranchised youth, he is their role model. You can take a cross section of countless myspace pages or simply step outside, if you live in an impoverished community to witness that, first hand.

    • Grimey G

      HNIC, son I literally had the exact same thought when I heard Plies speak. It was like listening to Bryant Gumbel speak. Anybody who thinks its cool to be dumb or uneducated is a fucking douchebag

      • HNIC

        “Anybody who thinks its cool to be dumb or uneducated is a fucking douchebag”

        Agreed.

  • http://tonygrands.blogspot.com Tony Grands

    If his aim was to be an entertainer, & nigganometry is his chosen avenue, so be it.

    I can’t look @/listen to dude without being entertained. Mission accomplished, Plies.

  • Grimey G

    Thank God, this is the column that has long needed to be written. Its my experience that people like Plies who go out of their way to prove their tough (like that awful song where he said he would knock out George Foreman) are usually overcompensating for the fact that they’re really not that badass. Case in point Rick Ross who I feel like so grossly overstates his drug dealing activities that its almost as if he is trying to set up a compromise. “Ok if you don’t believe I made a million in 1 yr selling coke and that I know Noreaga, the real Noreaga, will you at least believe I was a street hustler?” Its the same way a bball player may ask for $10 million a year when he’s really only looking for 5. Its virtually impossible to go through the cycle of a teenage street dealer to however big a gangster he claims he became and not at least pick up a possession charge. I don’t believe Rick Ross and I don’t believe Plies

  • $ykotic/Don McCaine

    The whole point that was missed in the Foxx audio drop is that the LISTENERS(fans) take the music seriously, so regardless of how much of a role model you don’t want to be, you are.

    So whatever you’re saying better be how you’re living. Because there are cats out there who do live the goon/d-boy way, and may want to see if you really do.

    And it’s funny how dudes never want to take responsibility for the violent content(“It’s entertainment”), but wanna be lauded for their monetary content(“I got/get money, see?”).

    Once P(lies) was seen with goon all over his jewels, which you gotta assume they’re faux pas, a smart dude ain’t gonna invest his bread into costume jewelry THAT gaudy, “SUSPECT” had to come to mind. He was reaching.

    Besides that dude has been getting called out on his BS like once a year.

  • Brooklyn

    i’ve been saying this about plies for a minute, dude doesn’t seem as dumb as he’d have us believe. if most of these rappers were as ignorant as they actually behaved, then they’d all sound like oj and gucci mane. nevertheless, just because you go to college doesn’t mean that you’re not in the streets, for all we know plies coulda went to one of them schools whose commericals come on during the steve wilkos show and have those flexible schedules where you can attend school two days out the week and hustle hard for the remaining five. not that i believe that this is what he was doing, but most of these rappers exaggerate, embellish, and even downright lie about the shit that they rap about. i’ve heard from more than once nigga in marcy and tompkins houses across the street that jay-z wasn’t a drug dealer back in the day. of course we know that rick ross wasn’t some kind of drug kingpin, but was a corrections officer, and tupac wasn’t a thug nor did he live a thug life. this isn’t some kind of new phenonmenon, shit’s been happening for a minute.

    • $ykotic/Don McCaine

      “i’ve heard from more than once nigga in marcy and tompkins houses across the street that jay-z wasn’t a drug dealer back in the day.”

      They ain’t lying either. Son did a little dirt, but not like that. Name dropping that building by McD’s on Bway, by Graham Ave, a building that was vacant for years, was a MAJOR FAIL. If anything that’s more Lindsey PJ’s territory. Him saying that was the stash spot reminded me of that “Fresh” movie, which was filmed up Myrtle Ave by Bushwick Ave.

      And I used to live @ 111 Nostrand(Marcy) in “them” days.

      • Brooklyn

        niggas told me that he was a hanger on, he used to hang around the dealers trying to be down but he himself didn’t actually do anything. but i never really bought that story he spun anyway, he never came off as that kind of dude to me.

        • Grimey G

          Not to pile on Jay-Z but I’m a cop in Jersey and I know a couple of older guys who used to work narcotics in Bk in the late 80s early 90s and they say they never heard of him. They knew Biggie, used to see him on the stoop but if Jay was anybody close to what he talks about they’d have known who he was.

        • $ykotic/Don McCaine

          “Son did a little dirt, but not like that.”

          I stress “a little”. Again they ain’t lying. No hate, just the truth spoken, like Jaz-O & Dehaven did.

    • valdez

      “i’ve heard from more than once nigga in marcy and tompkins houses across the street that jay-z wasn’t a drug dealer back in the day.”

      ———–
      ———–

      saying this isn’t conventional knowledge is an understatement, but it said that jay is literally and actually of the rockefeller bloodline somewhere down the line. which would explain why he was able to use rockafella as the label name in the 1st place. anyone who knows how the rockefellers roll, u have to get special clearance from them to use anything that even remotely sounds like their name and permission has never been granted with the exception of jay’s case.

      i mean, it is no secret that he hangs out with the likes of bill gates, members of the UN, etc. he is the only black, urban musician that has been allowed to attain this level of success. he’s had rockafella records, rocawear, 40/40 club, j hotels, live nation, etc. at this point, i figure it’s pretty much been proven that he is a mason, although i was greeted with lots of hate when i 1st exposed that here on this site a couple years ago. he is a student of aleister crowley and anyone who knows who that is knows that’s all that really needs to be said.

      i say all that to say that i believe jay’s rise to fame, fortune and power was not by chance or a result of him being some big time hustler back in the day as him or the “TIs” would have us all believe.

    • valdez

      “i’ve heard from more than once nigga in marcy and tompkins houses across the street that jay-z wasn’t a drug dealer back in the day.”

      ———–

      saying this isn’t conventional knowledge is an understatement, but it said that jay is literally and actually of the rockefeller bloodline somewhere down the line. which would explain why he was able to use rockafella as the label name in the 1st place. anyone who knows how the rockefellers roll, u have to get special clearance from them to use anything that even remotely sounds like their name and permission has never been granted with the exception of jay’s case.

      i mean, it is no secret that he hangs out with the likes of bill gates, members of the UN, etc. he is the only black, urban musician that has been allowed to attain this level of success. he’s had rockafella records, rocawear, 40/40 club, j hotels, live nation, etc. at this point, i figure it’s pretty much been proven that he is a mason, although i was greeted with lots of hate when i 1st exposed that here on this site a couple years ago. he is a student of aleister crowley and anyone who knows who that is knows that’s all that really needs to be said.

      i say all that to say that i believe jay’s rise to fame, fortune and power was not by chance or a result of him being some big time hustler back in the day as him or the “TIs” would have us all believe.

  • General

    What another rapper that isn’t really a street kingpin, goon, pimp, or assasin??? Are you sure??? It doesn’t add up…

    Seriously, who thought that Plies or any of these cats were actually goons in the first place…

    And by the way, since when did running from a 30 on one situation make you a pussy??? It seems to me like a natural survival instinct. And I’m not buying for one second that Jamie Foxx’s weak ass stepped to anybody without all his armed security standing around him

    • Enlightened

      Jamie Foxx didn’t say they came up there specifically for drama. It was just some hood niggas coming through the video shoot.

      Put somebody like Method Man in that situation. I saw Method Man and Redman outside of a damn arena show in Milwaukee back in the day. Them niggas was outside after the show in the middle of all the niggas chillin. Just cool as hell.

      No worries.

      Niggas who are from the hood know that 99 times out of a 100 you can say what’s up to another hood nigga and it will be all good (unless they are on some stickup shit at that moment).

      But when you talkin’ bout “goon, goon, I’m a full blooded goon, lames make me sick, goon goon, I’ll kill, goon, blah blah blah” then one of them niggas might say something slick to you or do something to fuck with you once they see the look in your eyes.

      I’m sure Jamie Foxx went over just like he said, humble, like a real nigga. They fans too! It ain’t like they was gon’ want to whoop Jamie Foxx ass for no reason.

  • sealsaa

    “he’s a middle aged man named Algernod”

    *DIES* Black community FAIL

  • kosher pork

    Plies ?

    you mean like piles of shit ?

  • alderman j

    im a middle aged man named alderman and i aint got no record but aint shit fake about me, it dont mean im no studio gangsta, i dont get the point of it, a record dont mean that you a gangsta or a hustla, it mean you a dumb ass for getting caught breaking the law, I REPEAT YOU DONT HAVE TO HAVE A RECORD TO BE REAL, THAT DONT MEAN SHIT! Ive never understood that, just because i didnt stay out till 4 in the morning and get caught by the REDDOGS(do some southern research if you dont know who the red dogs are)all that means is i was smart enough to get in the house by 1, i also had a nine to five, the purpose of the streets to me was to accumulate some ends put it into something positive and get out, for you clowns that spent your time, tricking and going to jail, you got that, you got a RECORD, i got a PORTFOLIO!

    • Grimey G

      Alderman, you realize your a middleaged man trying to justify your street cred to a bunch of strangers on the internet right? Are we supposed to be impressed you got a portfolio? Your surfing the net at 3 in the afternoon. You think wall street brokers or investment analysts have time to that? I doubt you ever did dirt or you wouldn’t feel the need to brag about it on the internet. And I’m fucking positive you do not have a portfolio. Dumbass old man

  • ryne rich

    can we make a list of the rappers who are legit rappers, i mean even ludacris talks about shootin guns n shit. weezy even talks about bein a hard blood. how can you lie to kids that shits terrible. it all juts makes me look forward to killer mike young jeezy nas

  • ryne rich

    can we make a list of the rappers who are legit rappers, i mean even ludacris talks about shootin guns n shit. weezy even talks about bein a hard blood. how can you lie to kids that shits terrible. it all juts makes me look forward to killer mike young jeezy nas

  • yoprince

    first off.. plies music is ass..

    secondly.. i think this whole plies faking thing is a little overhyped. so what he sounds educated in interviews? he doesn’t sound brilliant or anything, he’s not saying anything profound. it’s not like he’s hiding a talib kweli or lupe fiasco level of intelligence. he just knows how to carry a conversation. is that shocking?

    other than that, he does the same thing 95% of rappers do.. lie about guns and murder.

    50 cent sounds educated, he makes run-of-the-mill thug music too tho. is that a big deal?

    i don’t think there’s anything wrong with having a rap persona that deviates from your real life.

    some other examples:
    i met lil jon.. he sounded like my dentist.

    i met nas.. he was clearly bright, but he could barely string a sentence together. it was odd.

    i hung out with ghostface after a concert, he found out i was from ATL, and he asked me to “throw that trap or die on,” and this was right around the time ppl thought he was dissin southern music, like ’04

    so yea.. rap niggas surprise you

  • GIFT

    There have been so many rumors involving pussy ass shit in Plies’ past. He’s not the most terrible rapper in the world (kind of aprehensive to say that), but a GOON he IS NOT!!!! Any real goon in that part of FLorida probably knows this (i.e. Trick Daddy and a bunch of hood niggas). He should stick to makin songs for pussy cuz real niggas ain’t feeling that fake shit.

  • capcobra

    algernod gotta be soft especially if jamie foxx putting him onblast without any fear of repercussion.

  • http://www.jamal7mile.blogspot.com Jamal7Mile

    Yeah, I knew Plies was smart for a while now. Not that I really care, but the man wears the mask of a rapping goon because that’s what’s hot/profitable nowadays. He even made Negro Please headlines when he explained where he got his name from. I think it was from a pair of pliers. Or maybe it was because he “applies” himself to the game. Or both (I forget). You’ll have to ask Mexico about that one. Whichever, it was so stupid that I couldn’t fully believe anyone was that dumb (he’s not).

    Plies reminds me of a Chappelle Show skit where Lil John switches back and forth between speaking proper English and channeling ‘Animal’ the coked up drummer from ‘The Muppet Show.’ [Mal's note: Sorry youngsters, I don't have the patience to explain 'The Muppet Show' to you. YouTube it.. it's there].

    Yeah, he’s selling himself short, but I wish my bank account looked like his. I wish he was using a different lane than Hip-Hop music, but other than that…

    *shrugs*

    • Enlightened

      Now this is what I’m talking about.

      Some people would mistake it as saying it’s not good that he’s smart. It’s horrible to try to act dumb. Just like Lil’ Wayne has been in college at The University of Houston and at the same time saying he doesn’t read books.

      You’re talking about the interview where he said he got it from a tool. The interviewer said “I know a tool called pli-ers”

      and Plies was like “Man I’m from the South, you know we can’t pronounce nothin or talk right down here”

      But he gets on the phone with Jamie Foxx talking about, “I want to discuss the particulars”

      Just be yourself. Lame ass nigga.

  • dex

    I heard that In Florida the P in Plies is silent and the call that lil nigga (P)lies cuz aint shit outta his mouth true…

  • Moving Sideways

    This goes to show that you should never trust a man named after a ballet move.

    • HNIC

      Wasn’t there also a short story called; “Flowers for Algernon”; about a lab mouse, who was given artificial intelligence, as an experiment?

      If that’s his namesake, that creates an interesting parallel between the two, in my opinion, since his rap persona is adversely ignorant from his real life persona.

      • Enlightened

        Yep, and then the mouse started getting dumber and dumber and finally died because they found out too late that the experiment was bullshit – and the man who took it followed the same path

  • newyawka631

    Alderman J…I think you’re gon be da next victim.I might give Anthony a break.In another thread u said,when u go up north for family reunions,all da bitches wanna hear u tawk,and all da other niggaz be hating.Where up north???I know it ain’t New Yawk,cause da ho’s wanna hear ya tawk so they can laugh ya bird ass back to da boondockz in south carolina.It’s more like when a New YAwk cat goes down south,all da mami’z be going crazy ova da accent.I could cum to ya hood and take your ho……N.y. accent——gangsta…..ASk weezyyyyyyy

  • Master CHeef

    ^^ some girls, down here in the south, like a NY accent, and some prefer their native tongue(yes hetero).

    just like some girls up there think i’m mildly retarded when they hear me speak, and some love the way i spit it(yes hetero).

  • caino

    Just cos he speaks proper english doesnt make him fake!! (altho he clearly is) l mean my moms makes sure l speak proper when she is around if l speak slang or what ever to my boys she always corrects me !!

    anyhow, what rappers out there are ‘real’?? l mean Tupac was born in tha east and when Suge bailed him out he was westside thru and thru trying to prove how thug he was , to fit in , like he said to Lando before pulling the punches……’Where you from?’

  • claw

    if you keep going to jail you are not good at crime. jail does not make you real. It will make u gay if u spend enough time there. I spent some time in college and realized thats where the real gangstas are at. if you want to be a REAL G Then you join corp. america or the gov’ment. what’s more gangsta then those?

    but for the record plies is a fuck boy!

  • http://dasteamwerkmusik.blogspot.com bollocks

    “it might still be one of the most vulgar songs I’ve ever heard – with the caveat that Neko Case (who is kinda gangsta) is the top artist in my last.fm. ”

    HAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA….

    Dag, Bol…you’re kind of a dick but damned if I don’t love all the ridiculous indie rock references you sprinkle into your posts. Good shit.

  • Ste

    man i dint kno tht plies went to college tbh haha but still he may of gone to college n shit but he’s still a gd rapper n i do like many of his songs so i dnt see why ppl shud h8 on him coz of his “fake” persona i mean after all alot of ppl are still playin officer rickys shit… he’s obv a fraud bein a correctional officer n all tht

  • BABYGIRL

    WELL I JUST CAN’T BELIEVE WHAT I’M HEARING TO ME IT SEEMS AS IF WE GOT A LIL BIT TOO MUCH HATING GOING ON I MEAN DAM I WENT TO A GOOD SCHOOL BUT THAT DON’T MEAN I HAD THE BEST CHILDHOOD. I THINK HE HAS BEEN THRU SOMETHING IN HIS LIFE TO BE ABLE TO PUT IT ALL IN HIS MUSIC BUT IF NOT OH WELL HE STILL MY GOON AND I LOVE HIM. HE GOT MY SUPPORT WHENEVA AND WHEREVA.