Abuse your elders (no fishsticks)

Every day now I check Twitter to see what the girls I stalk had for breakfast, and all I see is a bunch of people lamenting the fact that hip-hop doesn’t have any respect for its elders. The fuck?

According to their logic, the Game shouldn’t attack Jay-Z, because once an artist ascends to a certain level, they should be considered a legend, and you shouldn’t take shots at legends. You don’t see Panic! at the Disco taking shots at Radiohead, now do you?

Of course, I’m gonna have to agree. As far as I’m concerned, the fact that old people are treated like shit is one of the few things that’s still right with hip-hop. If we could get past the notion that coonery should be accepted,if it helps lift people from poverty, we might actually be on to something.

Small steps…

I’ve been thinking about elder abuse a lot lately, both because some of my favorite pr0n actresses are getting on in years (late 20s, ick!), and because it occurred to me a few weeks ago that I might be the youngest guy who blogs for this site, even though I’m not as young as I used to be. I’m a little bit older than Noz, who used to blog here, but he couldn’t bring himself to write anything people want to read, so he had to wave bye bye.

I’m surprised there isn’t anyone who works here who’s like 15. Even though everyone else who ever worked here has struggled to be as prolific as I am (my bad, colleagues), it’s not like this is difficult work. I probably could have done it when I was 15, if there was such a job back in 1996. Back then, I was dealing with more or less the same set of concerns as I am now, though I didn’t have the knowledge of pr0n and contentious political issues to flesh them out as well as I can now.

Maybe it’s because I’m not really as old as my lifestyle has me feeling, but I do think I’ve been fortunate in that I haven’t had to sweat some dumbass kid trying to be the next Bol. I can only imagine what it’s like to be in the same position Jay-Z is in, where he hasn’t done any good work in years, and now the public is finally starting to turn on him, and the Game seems more intent than ever to ether him, perhaps because he smells blood in the water. It must be devastating.

If I wasn’t such a hater, I could almost sympathize with Jay-Z. I’m gonna be 39 one day too, a decade and some change from now. I’m sure the last thing I’ll need is some 20 something punk making fun of the fact that I can no longer pop a rod. But hopefully I’ll have the sense to just admit that I’m not as virile as I once was, rather than trying to suggest that I’m somehow above being dissed. What part of the game is that?

Yeah, you don’t see artists in other genres of music blatantly disrespecting older artists. But just because other people aren’t doing something doesn’t mean it’s a bad idea. Making fun of old people, beyond just being funny, helps keep hip-hop artistically vibrant. Just think, if we could have driven Jay-Z from hip-hop three years ago, we could have prevented “Run This Town.”

  • http://Pierzy11@gmail.com Pierzy

    Of course you would take that position. But, would people feel the same way if B.I.G. had been dissing Run or if when Rakim came back from his hiatus all these artists started taking shots at him?

    I mean, didn’t everyone turn on Nelly for taking on KRS?

    • M.Lite Shalamar

      I see your point,but B.I.G. would never have attacked Run N ‘em,and Rakim prolly would have ethered these youngsters anyway.KRS declined to shut down Nelly’s career a la The Juice Crew,prolly having the foresight to know that he’d be ‘Outta Here’ sooner or even sooner than that….

  • Brass Tacks

    Just think, if we could have driven Jay-Z from hip-hop three years ago, we could have prevented “Run This Town.”

    Yea but if he hadn’t would you have been as motivated to provide this social commentary…

  • beaver

    yea u right pierzy..
    game shouldn’t hav kame at jay lik dat..

    IF game wants 2 beef wit som1 soo bad..y won’t he beef wit soulja boy..there’z alot of material 2 use there..
    Game could also tak shots at ja rule,ross,gucci,jeezy..som1..
    cuz him an 50..was soo pointless..

  • Monty B.

    “Just think, if we could have driven Jay-Z from hip-hop three years ago, we could have prevented “Run This Town.”

    I bet you a Coke that Jay-Z will be around making music in the next three years and XXL will be out of business.

    • CROOKS

      cosign

  • sealsaa

    @Pierzy

    Correct me if i’m wrong, but niether Rakim nor KRS have publicly retired, and proclaimed themselves the “best rapper alive”, then returned to rap, named thier return album after a story in which Superman retires and returns, and put out god awful music from then on. I know you were speaking hypothetically, but you see what i’m getting at?

    Also, I think people were more upset with Nelly for not knowing his place(i.e. a bubble gum rapper) than they were for him dissing KRS

    • http://Pierzy11@gmail.com Pierzy

      What up sealsaa…

      Jay has pulled a Favre a few times. He wanted to retire after Reasonable Doubt and then after Vol. 2 and then REALLY after The Black Album. However, after American Gangster, his most recent album, he never said he was done or he would retire so the scenario you bring up would be more appropriate around the Kingdom Come phase.

      Everyone thought Rakim was retired because after Don’t Sweat The Technique, he was barely heard from at all. But, when he came back in, what, ’97 (?) it wasn’t like all of the new cats were taking shots at him.

      I really don’t care. I think Jay needs to be given a reality check for the garbage he’s putting out like when he re-focused after Blueprint 2 and then again after Kingdom Come.

      My only point was that it seems different now than in the past…but then again maybe not because Canibus was a new artist going at a legend in LL.

      Either way, Game has been begging for Jay to pay attention to him since day one so maybe he’ll finally relax a bit.

      • Yaw

        Pierzy, with your comment about Game wanting Jay’s attention from day one… If I’m not mistaken their issues with eachother arose from Game’s line on ‘Westside Story’, “I don’t do buttoned-up shirts or drive Maybachs”. Game said it was meant for Ja Rule (he included the explanation on the song The Documentary). Still, Jay-Z retaliated with Dear Summer and he rest is history.

        Either way, if Jay-Z dissed Game without him neither mentioning his name and further explained that it wasn’t meant for him, then I guess Game can say something with Jay-Z mentioning him in a song.

        But granted though, I read Jay-Z’s freestyle lyrics and it didn’t ‘seem’ like a diss to Game. And of all people the Game shouldn’t be upset about name-dropping lol.

        But Jay-Z’s legendary status doesn’t make him immune to the consequences of his actions.

        Canibus & LL- at least that ‘J’ came out on top lol. I’m talking bout KRS-1 & MC Shan!

        p.s. And Krs-1 dissed Nelly first too by the way

      • http://Pierzy11@gmail.com Pierzy

        @Yaw…

        I see where you’re coming from but I think it’s a bit different. Jay got mad at Game when that song on his one mixtape with Dre & Jay ["Get Your Money Right"] dropped and they used Jay’s verse from remix to “So Right” by The LOX from way back in ’97. “You ain’t in it for the money, then get out the game…” I guess they figured almost no one heard the original and it was so old, so who would care?

        So, after that happened, Jay went on Hot 97 and started saying, “Do not put my verse on your record, y’all!” Everyone thought he was talking about Cassidy using the “I’m A Hustler” cut but he was talking about Game taking his verse and putting it on his mixtape.

        And then Game did back down and say he was talking about Ja in “Westside Story” and put that part of the interview on his album. Game has said numerous times he’s tried to get Jigga on a song with him to no avail.

  • Phillmatic

    After Nas ethered Jay, the only thing that sustained Jay’s career was his ability to pick a great beat and turn it into a classic (in the late 90′s, early 00′s sense of the word) hip-hop single that would be adored by teenagers and mainstream radio stations.

    Now though, he couldn’t make a decent song to save his life. So I see no reason why Game shouldn’t finish him off. In the eyes of rap fans, if not the TIs he recieves fellatio from, at least.

    • Monty B.

      Seriously?

      A lot of the songs from American Gangster were pretty strong.

      I would defiantly say that American Gangster is much better than LAX. That record was a dud. I can’t recall one memorable song off that record.

      • Master Cheef

        sure you can. it was the one with keyshia cole, that sounded like it was supposed to be on her album. Aww… fuck, i can’t remember the name of it either.

  • Jhon da Analyst

    I dont know man. Shit, I wouldn’t want to destroy some youngtas’ dreams, but I’ll be G-damned if I’ma let some young motherfuckas try to play me. Jay should really zone out on some D’evils shit and rip Game once and for all.

  • $ykotic

    P what it do? Hold it down baby pa.

    “Those who don’t know their history are bound to repeat it…”

    I’ve dropped this knowledge numerous times on this site. Over in Japan they would drop kick you for disrespecting an elder. Other cultures demand this respect as well.

    Most youngin’s just want the older dudes to stop so they can get that $. This disrespect is parallel to dissing your dad or granddad and wanting them to “just die” for the inheritance, instead of learning from them what it took to achieve that level of success or even thanking them for putting you in a good position for YOU to succeed.

    This mentality in which the post was written is the big problem with the genre.

    And this is why I totally support a contemporary rap format(older people rap). There are plenty of old schooler’s out there, who don’t buy new rap, who would buy music that relates to them. Because there is no one out there catering to them.

    HENCE, THIS IS THE MISSING $ ARTISTS ARE LOOKING FOR.

    From my knowledge of the game from the time it started until now, IT WAS NEVER THE MUSIC OF THE YOUNG. IT WAS THE MUSIC OF THE STREETS.

    • http://youtube.com/federalranga Federal Ranga

      $yk, my nigga, what’s good? Do you need me to get you those DVDs?

      “Over in Japan they would drop kick you for disrespecting an elder”<<<<<< Niggaz don’t even know the half of it… the guy I work with at my job is 70 years old… in Pakistan, mufuckaz his age don’t have to do SHIT and are super revered throughout the land.

      I don’t think this is an issue of disrepecting the elders, it’s just that the young guys got it fucked up… Rap works 2 ways. You either create your own lane or take out the nigga at the top. Somewhere along the line the young guys started to believe that the older heads of the game are those top guys and that’s where the make the (sometimes career wise) tragic mistake of going after these people.

      • $ykotic

        Ranga I’ma get them in a couple of days. Been on travel mode since the summer heat and the new whip. Besides Circuit City WAS super close until they shut down. I got you.

    • sb

      preach $ykotic!!!

  • sol fraze

    I don’t think Jay is finished, or that he is incapable of making classic material anymore. He just needs the proper motivation to get back on his A-game. What does he have left to talk about at this point? What is there for him to say that hasn’t been said?

    Honestly, thug posturing and coke rhymes are played, and from Forbes-era Jay-Z hard to believe if not for some tie-in like with American Gangster. He’s married now, so who’s gonna believe him smashing mad hoes a la Big Pimpin’ or Give It To Me? His life has been pretty much smooth sailing since retirement after the Black Album, and no conflict equals little interesting rap material.

    Jay-Z is being killed by his own success. If he’s not allowed to talk about more mature material (which seems to be the case after Kingdom Come), what is a mature Hov going to talk about? It’s not that Hov is too old to rap anymore from the perspective of lacking lyrical ability, he is too old in that he has outgrown most of the material that made him interesting in the first place. His catalogue is TOO extensive. When you’ve said it all before, what is there left to say?

    • Curtis75Black

      @ Sol Fraze,

      A definite Co-sign. When you finally get your foot in the door at a mature age talking like a Kingpin/Pimp but at the same time get your shit in order, how can we believe the stories you tell anymore. It will look foolish talking like a OG except if you’re not just ripping the microphone. In Jay’s case, he can’t do that because honestly, his fans won’t listen to it.

    • sb

      sol you make a very valid point..i find that there is a ceiling that is reached in hip hop.jay has reached it creatively, now he needs to break it..im sure there are so many thing s that he can touch on..just growing as a man and being inspird by things that he has seen in the past 10 years…other than the wealth..rock and roll artist dont have this age problem..bruce springstein has been putting out music for 30 years..we always throw away our hip hop artists

  • rich ryne

    jay z in my opinion has been done lost, after ether which was the first time i heard who nas was, so then i dont understand the big deal of reasonable doubt which does it even hold weight still to today. s.cater vol 2 was pretty much pop music thats what i was listenin to in 6th grade

  • http://www.ronmexicocity.com Ron Mexico

    the fast food industry hip-hop has become doesn’t even respect the music from last week, let alone veterans.

    we’re the only major genre i can think of that doesn’t give respect to the artists of yesteryear. even fast food shitty rockers wear rolling stone and skynyrd t-shirts, even if only because the label told them to. it’s cool to look like you respect those who came before.

    with that said, respect isn’t unconditional and if an older nigga wants to act an ass he’ll be kicked down a flight of stairs.

    older artists shouldn’t pretend they can still appeal to children. i remember as a child wanting to be up on what the grown niggas were fuckin with.

    go figure.

    • Silly Willy

      Can’t disagree on that, Mr Mexx !

      Shiiiiit, back in the old days, the Rolling Stones would bring Muddy Waters on stage in London ! Now that’s some sinsurrrrr shit!

      I don’t think that Jay wanted to appeal to the kids, he ain’t doin no club anthems anymore for how many years, now ? And we didn’t see him follow any trend musically, he always been doin him.

      I think the issue is that we, at least the vast majority of this hip-hop generation, have imprisoned the artform in a box, with an unspoken rule stating that hiphop is for the kids. When Jay speak about something the young guns don’t relate to, they want him crucified. Of course, it happens because it’s Jay, and we refuse that our hero have changed. But now he’s on another level. No one is above an ass-whooping, but respect the game and do it right.

      The best album of 2008 was the Renaissance, IMHO. And it sure ain’t kiddie hiphop. American Gangster was fire! I’ll put Emeritus and Untitled on that level, too. Although I hate classifications for the sake of classification, Hiphop is ripe for an adult rap subdivision.

      On an unrelated note, Bol, was Sickamore older than you ? I thought he said he was an 80′s baby ?

  • ryne rich

    you take a permenent L when jim jones one ups you

    • http://Pierzy11@gmail.com Pierzy

      Brooklyn High >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jim Jones’ life

  • http://xxl All Dae

    Bol luvs “Run This Town.” He’s probly humming that shit by now.

  • Bobo D

    When it comes to the whole Game/Jay-Z dillema, I dont think it’s disrespect for elder statesmen (even though it is a big problem in hip-hop). Game has continuilly*<== needs spell check* rapped about other rappers who came before him, just try listening to one song of his where he doesn’t. I think Game repped Jay so long and never got a co-sign, he just flipped, like this one girl in high school.

    Now when it comes to Jay I think he is being cleaver by not doing a “takeover” for Game, because he probably will loose. Not because his diss was soft, but because Game most probably has a book of rhymes filled with Jay-Z disses that’s filling up since The Documentary.

  • Sincere

    While I don’t believe an older artist should be untouchable in terms of disses, (I feel one of the great aspects of hip-hop is the competitiveness, and I defend any younger MC’s right to go at the crown) I still cannot take anybody seriously that continue to knock Jay’s last 2 albums, and judging by what sells nowadays I believe it isn’t the artist’s skills that are declining, it’s the listener’s taste. I have been a jay fan since the beginning, but I also look forward to seeing Game and Hov go at it. (although if Jay doesn’t respond in the form of a track, I will lose a considerable amount of respect for him as an artist)

  • c. gabi

    To be perfectly honest, I like Jay-Z’s music more than I like Game’s. But then again, most of Jay’s music (at least when it was considered good/great) was middle school/high school for me. As I matured so did my taste in music…and either Jay wasn’t maturing with me or his music just progressively started to suck.

    I think the problem with Jay is that he’s beating a dead horse. He’s got enough songs in his catalog to still rock a crowd, that’s for certain. But I damn sure don’t want to hear D.O.A. or Blue Magic. Jay could’ve left the game on top, and no one would’ve been able to touch it or take that from him. Except he wants to be that old nigga, still hanging around, still trying to play a young man’s game with young men…and then use some weakass justifcation “30 or 40 is the new 20″…fuckouttahere. And of course he would, because Jay thinks he’s the shit, just like a bunch of other rap “pioneers” thought they were too and kept putting out wack and more wack albums. Remember when Whodini was the fuckin shit in the 80′s, and the last album they put out was what like ’94/’95, who was checkin for it? Um, no one. Their time was up! And no one is disregarding their contributions and accomplishments to hip hop, but the writing was on the wall. And the writing is on the wall for Jay too.

    Dude will be 40 this year. He can take a break. Bey wants kids before she’s 30 (which is like tomorrow). He can do the family thing, do the businessman thing. Let someone else have their come-uppance.

    What is there for Jay to rap about anymore?

  • REAL TALKER

    Dog, Jay-Z is still the shit. u niggaz actin like he is gettin corny like Rakim was. HELL NO! and fuck the writer…Run This Town is hot! and Jay came harder than Ye IMO.

    Quit suckin off Rap’s Stan. He aint that hot, has no classic albums,and all of his hits include the goon, 50.

    • http://ANORMOUS.com ANORMOUS

      when did rakim start gettin’ corny?
      i guess if you like fashionista rap like jay-z then kickin’ knowledge like ra must be corny huh?
      if the audience can’t grow with the artist who’s fault is that? should artists sacrifice principles strictly to stay hot/relevant/ignorant?

  • Dr Flav

    Hov is 39? I would have thought 40 at a minimum. As far as the age thing goes, anybody can get it, if you brave enough as a young un to go at at an OG, then so be it, but be aware of the consequences of losing. The art of the battle has been been downplayed when it comes to certain rappers in certain age brackets with a certain financial status for some reason. If you claim to be the best, prove it and be prepared to prove it at all times, hell it should be easy if you the self proclaimed God of rap.

    So what if Game gets exposure by Jay going against him, why not, its enough room in hiphop for as many talented emcees as possible and it seems like an artist making that much money should leave the door open for others to be successful in the art too, I mean why just make money for the TIs?

  • geico lizard

    “but he couldn’t bring himself to write anything people want to read, so he had to wave bye bye.”

    ^
    Damn, if that diss isnt abuse I dont know what is.

  • http://tonygrands.blogspot.com Tony Grand$

    I don’t think Hov has enough gas in his tank to keep up with The Game.

    Bi-polar, schizophrenia>>>arrogant, narcissism as far as battling goes. It’s not even that Game’s verses will be extraordinary or spectcular, it’s more along the lines of a non-stop influx of top-shelf mediocrity. Nonstop being the operative word.

    True, Jay could really go in & lay out the blueprint (npi) of this dudes life, but after that one song, then what? Game’s psychotic enough to just keep going, rambling & barking @ the moon. Overall, Jay’s the better MC/lyricist, but he’s not hungry anymore, especially in comparison to Game.

    There shouldn’t be any particular group (in Hip Hop) above the competition of the sport. We should respect the legends, but that would mean the legends respecting the youth as well. Cats can’t talk about “this new generation is killing Hip Hop”, or make songs like “D.O.A” & not expect someone to feel some kind of way about it.

    If nothing else, this may need to be Jigga’s “War Angel” moment, where he may have to reintroduce himself to those who doubt that he’s capable of doing what got him here in the first place.

  • 619

    Just got a couple questions about the Game diss:
    1. If Jay is an “old ass nigga”, and I was in high school when Jay’s debut album came out but Game’s older than me, what age would Game be described as?
    2. How can Game call Jay an “old ass nigga”, when Game just made a guest appearance on Ice Cube’s album last year?

    • 619

      Also if Game considers Jay an “old ass nigga” at age 40, wouldn’t he be nominating rappers he collabos with that are Jay’s age or older for “old ass nigga” status?(Dr. Dre, Ice Cube, E-40) hahahaha! Marinate on the topic for a few.

  • CL

    “Just think, if we could have driven Jay-Z from hip-hop three years ago, we could have prevented “Run This Town.”

    If that happened Bol, you wouldn’t hve a job.

  • Master Cheef

    check the review section. game’s mixtape cover has him pointing a gun at his melon just like all those magazine covers from a year or so ago. also on the cover, a tear rolling down = not wavy at all, my friends, not wavy at all

    using fake suicide threats as a gimmick is fucking wack, cant respect nobody who does that shit

  • Medski The Prophet

    Jay-Z gave up his battle stripes when he cut Dame and the rest of his goons out of the picture.

    He didn’t even make sure that State Property got fed, niggas like Peedi Crack still stuck in the hood.

    All his old partners hate on him, but at least he got a bad bitch and a ton of cash so maybe he knows something…

  • BIGNAT

    jay-z should have never came back he waived goodbye to the game then said. nah niggas syke i’m back for the paper

  • http://xxlmag.com mattyt

    This fat idiot writes about jay everyday of his life!! I hope Bol gets a girlfriend and stops jockin other men so hard. not a good look u fat gorilla

  • http://www.justice.gov.za GO-Getta’

    Canibus goin’@ LL was’nt disrespectful @ all.
    Hip hop needed that @ a time & its pity LL longetivity plus horrible beats ethered ‘Bis buzz.

    Nelly goin’ @ Kris1 that’s another matter just like Soulja boy goin’ @ Ice T is distasteful.

    Jay bin slackin’ lately if he comes @ niggas like that with those freestyles & expect the public & gayyyme 2 believe him…then he truly can’t impregnate B or is his nuts really hangin’

    Truth b’ told Jay been never b the same since “ether” although he would like 2 believe otherwise ..”I came strong after ether” GTFOH.

  • questo

    i see Grand$ and the rest of “The Commision”/comments-section bloggers stay hating on Bol.

    lol. keep trying, fellas, keep trying!

    someone might eventually give a fuck!

  • kingequality

    Good clean up from your other post bol . Its not bad for young dudes to go at older dudes in this game cause its all competition and verbal warfare I think its stupid to call a 39 yr old man an old ass man 39 is still kinda young and a age most of us black folk are not fortunate to make it to and to be 39 and worth a have a billion dollars is really a good accomplishment juggling music and other lucrative business ventures and keeping all your paper together we really should be taking notes from this man not worrying about if his last verse could’ve been better. Black man making major moves able to walk all over the globe getting greeted by kings and queens and he aint got political affiliations history getting made write in front us us wake up people and see it for what its really worth

  • UNITURNZ2000

    I dont think jay fell off as hard as some people say he did.I still enjoy most of the new music he is putting out. not his best work but definatly not as bad as some other crap thats out. He had probably the best verse on jeezy’s “put on” remix. Had one of the more memorable lines on the “swagger like us” when he said “dont wear skinny jeans cuz my knots dont fit”. And in my opinion “brooklyn go hard” was the hardest song that I’ve heard in the last year from anybody.

    I’m thinking alot of the backlash that he’s getting is from people that have always had hate towards jays success(jay haters). These are the same people that have been saying he’s wack for years and they’ve been waiting for this moment…..hyenas!

  • awesome arsenal

    i think as whole the not respecting elders thing is an american invention shown all too often, especially in the black community. the younger dudes i see for the most part don’t even open doors for older folk or help them up stairs. even if you are just a little older (5-7 years)they’ll tune you out acting as if you don’t understand and are out of the loop.
    as far as the rap thing, i don’t think anyone believes the extremely mediocre game would’ve been a blip on the radar without a huge cosign from the aftermath machine and being a artist from a region that hasn’t been able to make much noise since death row collapsed.
    i think jay’s catalog,longevity and success makes a lot of rappers jealous. we’ve never seen his level of acheivement from an emcee that stayed in the game(with the exception of ice cube, but the majority of these kids only know him from movies)for the love. it’s obviously these guys still do it for the love because we know they don’t sell as much as they used to. i thought kingdom come was pretty good, grown people music. and for the kids that say 30 is the new 20 is bullshit i’ll see you when you get there. just turned 30 and i’m in better shape than i ever was physically, mentally and financially. fyi kids, you get way more pussy when you have your own house, money and car. plus, the caliber of women you attract are better and know what thet’re doing.
    oh yeah….game ain’t fuckin with jay

  • Brooklyn

    jay should have never came out of retirement, period. he’s 40 and been rapping for about eighteen years at least, he’s got a classic under his belt and maybe 2 or 3 near classics, he’s made more money that any of us will probably ever see in our entire lives; like the commenters above said, he has seen and done it all. at that point there’s nothing else you can talk about so you just need to realize that your time is up and that you need to bow out gracefully while you’re still hot.

    jay was never a conscious rapper like nas or krs, whose wisdom and knowledge rings true whether they’re 24 or 44. jay’s relevance was always dated because his raps were always usually about materialistic things. we’ve heard him rap about money, cash, and hoes his entire career, and we get the point now. he could have left the rap game several years ago, after “the black album” retired to his mansion, settled down with B and raised a bunch of kids. But no, he wanted to come back out and try to keep up with a bunch of kids that haven’t achieved half of what he achieved. and then the music he’s made since he came out hasn’t been good at all. “kingdom come” wasn’t a bad concept, but jay didn’t really know how to successfully transform himself from a materialistic rapper to a conscious rapper.

    and as for hip-hop not respecting it’s elders, i don’t think that’s entirely true. the issue with hip-hop is that once an artist reaches jay’s status, once they’ve been in the business for x-amount of years, dropped x-amount of albums, and made x-amount of money, they don’t want to cede any territory to the up and comers. i’m not saying that all rappers should retire at a certain age, but when you reach a certain level of success–a climax if you will–if you don’t die you will only decline. it’s a law of gravity, what goes up must come down. the rolling stones were the shit in the 60′s and 70′s, but their success waned in the 80′s. they noticed this and they stopped making regular albums. they still perform, but they never tried to keep u2 or rem from doing their thing either, they made room for them, they welcomed them, they went home and raised their families and came back out for tours and made albums for their fans once a decade.

    rappers themselves are obsessed with staying young and they mistreat younger rappers because they remind them that they themselves are no longer young. half the rappers out right now are young enough to be jay’s kids, that has to have some kind of effect on him, make him feel resentful because they are getting success at a younger age than he did. then when they make songs like “hip-hop is dead” and “doa” they sound like griping old men complaining about the new jacks and their newfangled styles of music. that’s when an artist begins to lose relevance, when they begin complaining about things. don’t speak about it, be about it. if you hate auto-tune, don’t make a song complaining about the new niggas using auto-tune, make an album without auto-tune. show the new generation that you can make good music without using some computer generated voice changer, lead by example because actions speak louder than words.

    younger rappers come at older rappers with that “old man” shit because thats the only trump card they can use. they themselves have not built the rep of the older artist, they don’t have the catalog of the older artist, they have not seen the success of the older artist, and they hope to earn a rep by taking down the older artist. this is not unique to rap either, the idea that the way to become top dog is by taking down the established top dog. when a person sees someone with more success than they, they feel the need to hate. they can give props and big up that person, but deep in their heart of hearts they are resentful. i believe that was the case with the game. he spent his entire career name dropping jay, giving him props, but at the same time throwing subliminal and sometimes obvious barbs at him. he respected the level of success that jay had earned, but at the same time he wanted that level for himself and felt that by dissing jay he was proving himself to be on an equal level with jay.

  • Brooklyn

    jay should have never came out of retirement, period. he’s 40 and been rapping for about eighteen years at least, he’s got a classic under his belt and maybe 2 or 3 near classics, he’s made more money that any of us will probably ever see in our entire lives; like the commenters above said, he has seen and done it all. at that point there’s nothing else you can talk about so you just need to realize that your time is up and that you need to bow out gracefully while you’re still hot.

    jay was never a conscious rapper like nas or krs, whose wisdom and knowledge rings true whether they’re 24 or 44. jay’s relevance was always dated because his raps were always usually about materialistic things. we’ve heard him rap about money, cash, and hoes his entire career, and we get the point now. he could have left the rap game several years ago, after “the black album” retired to his mansion, settled down with B and raised a bunch of kids. But no, he wanted to come back out and try to keep up with a bunch of kids that haven’t achieved half of what he achieved. and then the music he’s made since he came out hasn’t been good at all. “kingdom come” wasn’t a bad concept, but jay didn’t really know how to successfully transform himself from a materialistic rapper to a conscious rapper.

    and as for hip-hop not respecting it’s elders, i don’t think that’s entirely true. the issue with hip-hop is that once an artist reaches jay’s status, once they’ve been in the business for x-amount of years, dropped x-amount of albums, and made x-amount of money, they don’t want to cede any territory to the up and comers. i’m not saying that all rappers should retire at a certain age, but when you reach a certain level of success–a climax if you will–if you don’t die you will only decline. it’s a law of gravity, what goes up must come down. the rolling stones were the shit in the 60′s and 70′s, but their success waned in the 80′s. they noticed this and they stopped making regular albums. they still perform, but they never tried to keep u2 or rem from doing their thing either, they made room for them, they welcomed them, they went home and raised their families and came back out for tours and made albums for their fans once a decade.

  • Curtis75Black

    Good ol competition is what Hip Hop needs and regardless of the reasons, none of ya’ll was giving a fuck when Canibus went at Uncle L !! Shit every time niggas have a ‘Retirement’ convo he’s on your list. Is it because of his years in the game? Is it his age ? Who knows but we all know he never backed down from that competitive spirit. You can’t be the 1st to call yourself ‘The G.O.A.T.’ and not expect repercussions !! But truly, there hasn’t been any at least from a peers perspective. The only emcee to challenge his claim is Canibus !! Every emcee we all as fans might feel are better skill wise never said anything negative about it, shit alot of them continue to collab with him. A matter of respect ? Might be. Younger emcee’s like The Game shout him out also and Budden said he’s one of the few he won’t challenge.

    I once told a few peeps that in a minute your era of emcee is gonna sound dated and might hear that ‘Retirement’ talk also. Of course, they didn’t believe me but here we are now speaking on Jay-z who can stay rapping as long as he wants !! He’s not the longest running emcee, we have LL, Too Short, De La, Q-Tip, Ice Cube and Busta for that but we need to sustain the longevity in Hip Hop cause this was never a Fad !! Rappers come and go, Artists last forever.

  • Jimmy Wulf

    FUCK THE COMMISSIUON, we starting a new movement dog; 1) GAME dissing Jay was warranted; as Jay has been taking subliminal shots at a multitude of rappers over the years; Mase, Nas-eventually the beef escalated, 50, Game, etc. Jay-z is a dick riding camel like the Commission.

  • OcHo v

    Rakim the god MC has never proclaimed himself the best rapper of all time…”The GOD MC”… The Lame has been doing this to long to try and get hot off of Beef this isn’t 2005. I’m a JAY-Z fan and i think the game is actually pretty good but this is apples and oranges to compare them. JAY-Z (not Hov…i go to church) made Reasonable doubt,the BP1,AG. The Game made The Documentary (assisted by 50 Cent). To sum it up, Game is good Bi-Polar rapper with a Stan like fixation with Jigga.

  • Avenger XL

    Age means nothing to a true artist. Infact true artists get better with age, I would suspect our thoughtful rappers could entertain forever but the hip-pop set is limited to the zeitgest of the time. Jay-Z never was a concious rapper word to what Brooklyn said in his post. He is just a clever wordsmith that took the New York thug archetype too new heights after the death of BIG. His character is that of the street level dealer who somehow becomes a boss and then turns into a rapper. Which is about as much bullish as Game being a harden blood on change of heart with no Tattoes to all of a certain becoming a killa. They are both have limited careers due to their characters in the grand scheme of things.

  • Jhon da Analyst

    Is someone dissin the Commission?? WTF?!! I don’t think that will fly here on this site.

  • Jhon da Analyst

    Damn, I’ve slayed so many commenters over the years it frankly just got boring. Sometimes I do feel a little itch to rip a motherfucka’s head off!!

  • http://www.yahoo.com Dra$t-iQ Alkoholik

    fuck em both niggas they busy acting like faggots niggas gotta stop nut hugging Gay Z nigga aint put out shit worth 2 cents since “black album” the Game aight and I bet he could lyrically crash Gay Z’s ass, ther nigga got burnt by Em and Kanye on his own trax and niggas still got the nerve to call him the greatest, the nigga overrated, has dumber punch lines than that gay shit from Weezy, but niggas still worship him he droips shit sandwich after another the media still rides his dick is it because he fucking Beyonce? I bet if he was fucking Amy whinehouse’s crck-ass-cracked-ass no one would give a fuck

    MAUN X-PORT IN THIS BITCH!!

  • *BLOCK*

    BLOCK BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!

    HEY SYK IF U KEEP DROPPING IT ON THE LIKE THAT…I MIGHT HAVE TO DO AN OPEN APOLOGY LETTER LIKE ALFA-DAVIT LOL….REAL SPIT THERE THOUGH

    BLOCK BITCH!!!!!!!!!!

    RELAPSE….CANT AGREE BUT WHO CARES..

    IS RANGA LIKE….PARK RANGA(RANGER) OR LIKE
    HEY FUCK BOI GET OFF THE LAPTOP AND RANGA (RING A) BROTHER GAS UP SO I CAN GO TO A REAL JOB…NOT SITTING IN A ONE MAN GAS STATION…

    U KINDA LOOK LIKE A GROWN UP VERSION OF THE LIL DUDE THAT PLAYS BERNIE MAC’S NEPHEW OR SON OR WHATEVER ON HIS SHOW…(R.I.P BERNIE)

    *BLOCK*
    ~FRONT LINE ALLIANCE~
    CAROLINA SURVIVOR
    (NOTICE NO DEATH OF COMMISSION…EVEN THOUGH I SAID FUCK YALL ON ANOTHER POST…LOL I GUESS THATS JUST THE GAME IN ME LOL)

  • Thomas

    Fact check: Canibus didn’t go at LL. LL thought the beginning part of his rhyme was a shot at him. LL asked Canibus to change it (he did). When the final version of “4,3,2,1″ came about LL changed his O.G. verse to the diss one.

    “but because Game most probably has a book of rhymes filled with Jay-Z disses that’s filling up since The Documentary.”

    ^^
    Co-sign

    Jay, Nas, Cube, Wu-Tang, EPMD, Redman, etc didn’t come up disrespecting people like BDK, KGR, Rakim, Run-DMC, etc. These new rappers have the game twisted…they think taking a short cut to success is the way to go. 50 messed everything up for the game…he started this beef ish….got big…and now everyone wants to do it. What people forget is 50 had REAL beef with them dudes (or he says). Everything else is bullish.

    Jay is more relevant than Game and he hasn’t had an album out in 2 years.

    If these new guys want to take the “crown” put out good music, learn how to put on a show, get off of the computer, write for someone else, etc.

  • http://www.myspace.com/supastar81808 Simone

    You are dumb for this. We are at an all-time low in Hip-Hop music. Game dissing Jay-Z is like teachers disrespecting principles. It leads to chaos and that is what we have. Kids listen to what is out right now and nothing else. They don’t to look back and appreciate Bone Thugs, Jay-Z, and Outkast. I think this is a big mistake for The Game without giving props to the ones before him, he is allowing fans of Jay-Z to slip away. Who really abandons the artist of the record, they know word for word, for someone else? From where I’m from, this “add water, ringtone shit” out right now is doing just fine for ppl under 18 and some above that. Btw, I’m 19 and ya’ll need some younger writers.

  • Renn

    Why do we have an unwritten rule in Hip Hop(a culture)that you have to be a certain age to be successful?We have R&B,and if you hot you hot!Why can’t it be the same for Hip Hop?If anything we need seasoned artists for the more mature crowd.Since Hip Hop is about being lyrically skilled it only makes sense.Lots of the people I knew(myself included)did’nt have anything constructive to say until we were 30…lol. With age comes wisdom so we kinda cut our own throats because once they learn what it’s all about, they’re shut out the game.These young cats NEED the wisdom from older cats who’s skills have aged like wine.