Jay-Z, Snoop Dogg & The Post-Racial Cleaning Power of Hip-Hop

Yesterday we get Jim Jones. Today we’re handed a glass of the post-racial Kool-Aid.

“[Hip-hop] has changed America immensely… Hip-hop has done more than any leader, politician, or anyone to improve race relations… Racism is taught in the home… and it’s very hard to teach racism to a teenager who idolizes, say, Snoop Dogg. It’s hard to say, ‘That guy is less than you.’ The kid is like, ‘I like that guy, he’s cool. How is he less than me?’ That’s why this generation is the least racist generation ever. You see it all the time. Go to any club. People are intermingling, hanging out, enjoying the same music.”Jay-Z, WENN via Bossip

Mmmm. *sips* Watermelon!

I think I understand where not-so-Young Hov is coming from. I wouldn’t say hip-hop’s universal appeal hasn’t helped start some conversations and merge some cultures, but I wouldn’t go as far as to say that it’s been the most integral force in the progress of American race relations. Nor would I say that because someone listens to rap and dresses like Kanye jr. they’re absolved of racism.

[Blogger's Note: Kanye West isn’t really Martin Luther King, you know. I mean, I can’t help but think that $1,000 sneakers weren’t part of the dream I read about on my McDonald’s placemat.]

The way hip-hop’s been used in popular media has done as much to hurt race relations as it has to help, if not more. The worst parts of black culture are the most readily displayed in mainstream hip-hop. In MTV and The Negro Channel’s history, there have been at least fifty Flavor Flavs for every Chuck D.

It actually takes a nation of complacence to hold us back. That’s the difference between the leaders and politicians of yesteryear Jay-Z speaks of and, well… Jay-Z.

Haven’t you ever been a token, Hova? Perhaps at some point you’ve heard one of the suits you pander to say something to the effect of, “This is my black friend, Jay. He’s a real team player. He might have fallen asleep at the wheel with the whole Island Def Jam thing, but he’s one of the good ones.”

I know for a fact that I’ve attended frat parties with white Snoop Dogg idolators who wouldn’t spit on my black ass if I were on fire in front of them. They know all the lyrics to “Gin & Juice,” though.

Yeah. It’s fucked up now.

Perhaps this is because, despite living the boss life, Snoop isn’t exactly a model of respect. I’m actually terrified of the white kid who idolizes Snoop Dogg and looks to him as an example of what we could be as negroes. Surprise doesn’t begin to express my sentiment toward Jay-Z’s citation of Tha Doggfather as an example in this regard.

On the other hand, I know some black people who hate white people like a hmmmmotherfucker but will rock steady like The Whispers to some Hall & Oates. “Regulate” aside, they’ll keep Michael McDonald on heavy rotation, but their race relations are as unhealthy as whatever Aretha’s got in the crockpot for tonight.

Another pertinent example comes from my own family history. The Mexicos actually come to you Yankee raaaasclats by way of the Caribbean, Jamaica to be precise. The closed-minded white folks on vacation I’d see at the airport drunkenly bellowing the same three Bob Marley and Jimmy Buffett songs go home to ignore the coloreds who don’t braid their hair and make the most delicious pina coladas they’d ever tasted.

Sure, they dance with the hired locals at the resort the same way some coeds may flirt with clear and present danger domestically. Again, this alone doesn’t make the racists of either group any less in the wrong.

I could be a multi-millionaire rapster-slash-humanitarian, and some of my Indian friends still couldn’t bring me to their houses for dinner. The list goes on.

Racism isn’t just being called a nigger outright or waking up in the middle of the night to a flaming cross on your front lawn courtesy of the neighborhood welcome wagon. It’s everything that goes into a systemic oppression of one group of people by another. Often times it’s neither obvious nor intentional—and, despite the fact that a half-negro holds the keys to the so-called free world, it hasn’t gone anywhere.

Hip-hop is a powerful tool that can be used for great things. However, as it stands, the culture has become little more than a cog in the faulty capitalist wheel that has caused wagon of our known world to crash and collapse onto itself.

And as for you, Boss[ip] Hogg… The nerve of you people to speak on race relations. Yes, I said, “you people”. Bossip is the Maury Show of the known blogosphere. I skim your site daily in my search for negroes to please and more often than not, I’m inclined to call the entire site to task. A weaker-minded visitor might be inclined to believe he weren’t shit and could never be as much based on the site’s content. Yet, you support Jay-Z’s comment and the attached notion of a “post-racial” America with one breath and berate Taye Diggs, Reggie Bush and any other black man so much as caught in a photograph beside a white woman with the next.

I’ll remember this advocacy the next time “Bossip Staff” maliciously attacks, slanders or otherwise slights a self-hating “swirl offender.”

Questions? Comments? Requests? Need the info for my Springsteen listening party this weekend? ron@ronmexicocity.com

  • http://tonygrands.blogspot.com tony grand$

    Get ‘em Mex!

    I would hate to think that hip hop is the bridge needed to be crossed for race relations to be (a)mended. That would be the equivelant of a foreign kid learning english by listening to rap music.

  • $ykotic

    I say this everytime I see a group of Asians all hiphopped out dancing to T.I. or Busta, and don’t speak to any other ethnic group in the room!

    I find Bossip to be a little “Oprahish” anyway.

    Thanks for the episode of “Kickin’ It with New Balance Talent”!

    • amar

      LOL those filipinos WILL cut you my man…just looking out

      but yeah i agree, bossip is more about what jay-z wears and how rihanna feels than it is about what the ppl really wanna know: how can we call jay-z teh gay and who is rihanna fucking next?

    • http://www.ronmexicocity.com Ron Mexico

      i’m no oprah fan, but that might be a little too much credit, syko-t.

      sorry, was watching a little acc basketball at the same time.

      and i’ve noticed some of those super-exclusive breakdance circles myself.

  • Pierzy

    I agree that this (my/our) generation is the least racist of all and we don’t “worry” about race as much as older generations, but it’s certainly not gone. I know plenty of white people that think non-whites are 2nd class citizens (or the Chris Rock thing of two different types of blacks) and I’ve certainly known black and hispanic dudes that would be happy if there were no more people of my ilk running around…

    And Jay is a token with the Nets. He owns 7% or whatever it is and they use him PR and the move to BK

    • Pierzy

      Tony G, $yk and P. Damn…are we always the first 3 to comment on everything or what?! That’s excellent.

      • http://tonygrands.blogspot.com tony grand$

        Whadup P & $yk?!

        The usual suspects….

        Wait, I got a good one. Out here in LA, the ese’s call each other “nigga” quicker than my drunk uncles @ a family bbq, but in the same breath will tell you how much they hate blacks in 2 different languages. Go figure.

        • $ykotic

          I’m surrounded by the Blogging Commission!

          Good one: Monday went to a country karaoke spot(yeah I went there) and some broad felt that they had to sing a hiphop song for the only brother there!

          No I didn’t perform. I do have boundaries.

          I don’t care what you look like. I’m concerned about who you are.

          I gotta be something, because I gained 5 new female friends. The ostrich boots might have helped a little.

          Hiphop berry berry good to me!

        • http://www.ronmexicocity.com Ron Mexico

          you ASK the commission to hit ‘em.

          don’t forget amar and a few others.

        • Pierzy

          Yeah, I left out a few all-stars. As they say, “blame my head, not my heart.”

    • Eric

      damn… a black man in a position of power alongside white people, and he has to be labeled “token”? skepticism leads to racism.

  • LB

    This is a good post. I definately agree with a lot of points, for instance; I still see a wide disconnect between Asians, Hispanics, and Black people, even though all are minorities in America. I think we don’t do enough on a micro scale to reach out to one another.

  • OG Matt Herbz

    Like my nigga Jeff Goldblum said in Deep Cover:

    “I think you know that there’s no such thing as an American anymore. No Hispanics, no Japanese, no blacks, no whites, no nothing. It’s just rich people and poor people…”

    You gotdamn right…I kix it with my niggaz no matter their race (except Indian niggaz) and really the only that matters is some broke muthafucka interrupts the rotation, trying to get in on the cipher while we’re passing the ROOR bong. If that happens, I don’t care if they listen to hip-hop, rock, reggae, or symphony, they’re getting my ice cold bong water thrown on ‘em and then they’re getting hit with a racial slur. Period.

    –OG Matt Herbz–

    • Michelle S.

      Hilarious.

  • LB

    OG Matt Herbz…I wish it was as simple as rich or poor. Though, much of it does come down to finance & economics. Even so, people’s fucked up perspectives on life end up adding an uneccessary twist to everything.

  • Brooklynstandup

    you the only reason i still come to this site no bullshit

    • http://www.ronmexicocity.com Ron Mexico

      thanks, big homie. that is much much appreciated. hopefully i can keep you entertained.

  • Zulu1925

    All hip hop has done for race relations is provide a general language base that different races can use in the event they TRY to communicate with one another. But, as with Spanish and Portuguese or, better yet, American and British English, oftentimes things still get misunderstood – like Asians on the dance floor. What’s being communicated may require closer scrutiny. The linguistic equivalent of this phenomenon is the sentence “I regularly go to the club with a pack of fags.” In England, I might develop cancer – but, in America, I’m Madonna. At the end of the day, just ’cause you speak my language doesn’t mean I like or can relate to you.

    • http://www.ronmexicocity.com Ron Mexico

      testify!

    • $ykotic

      LB snuck one in!

      I gave two perfect examples on how hiphop has broken barriers.

      Now it’s up to the individual to sink or swim.

      @ Mexx: AWWW MANNN….AAALLRIGHT.

      • http://www.ronmexicocity.com Ron Mexico

        discussion officially open!

    • Michelle S.

      LOL. Good point. Oh! And LOL.

    • Dub Sac

      and at worst, hip-hop has made little white kids who don’t actually know any black people comfortable with language and vocabulary that have consequences and implications they don’t understand…

  • LB

    Zulu1925… I agree with your first sentence: “All hip hop has done for race relations is provide a general language base that different races can use in the event they TRY to communicate with one another.”

    I don’t agree with your undertone that that is somehow unworthy of a great accomplishment. Before Hip Hop, the minority community couldn’t communicate their differences nor commonalities because we only had the broadcasting of our parents’ and grandparents’ music and entertainment. As a result of that, an Asian kid and a Black kid growing up in two different guttas still thought they were SO different because of the divide. ONLY when Hip Hop came, was there a form a music that everyone could eventually vibe too, and most young people could effectively communicate their plite from their hood to one another. I’ve been to a 2009 rock concert and the crowd still looks like a 1985 crowd, mostly white. I’ve been to a 2009 techno concert, and the crowd still looks mostly Asian and white. But, Hip Hop has progressively broke down barriers.

    • http://tonygrands.blogspot.com tony grand$

      Aight mex, discussion time…….

      I think hip hop has opened certain barriers, but not in America. Other countries don’t view us (Americans of all colors) as we do.

      It kind of gives them a sense of all things “melting pot” about our country, & to those they weren’t born into our automatic racism/bigotry it’s not the same measuring stick.

      We our own worst critics.

    • Zulu1925

      @ LB

      Though hip-hoppers of all colors and creeds wear the same basic uniform, they are NOT on the same team. Like the previously mentioned ‘Asians on the dancefloor’ reference alludes to, there is isolationism inherent within the community – despite speaking the same language. While I’ll agree that Hip Hop is a POTENTIAL conduit to improved race relations, at this point all Hip Hop has done is make it harder to recognize racists/racism among members of the community. Is a shared love of B.I.G./’Pac/Hov/OutKast, et al. enough to prompt you to have me over for dinner when no one of my race and/or socio-ecomnomic standing has ever set foot in your neighborhood, let alone your crib? We’re all just wearing headphones, bobbing to the beat. Until we take off those headphones and have real discourse, the potential of Hip Hop as it relates to racial relations is wasted.

      • $ykotic

        I see you Zulu. You got it.

        I have plenty of examples due to my extensive travel:

        I go into a punk rock bar and they have “Shimmy” by Old Dirty Bastard on the jukebox. Know all the words too.

        Yet I get the check before ordering. But if I didn’t hear ODB I wouldn’t have walked in either.

        Come to find out half the place are die-hard Wu. Now when I step through we have a Wu fest. And cheap ass rounds follow.

        It don’t mean we are BFF’s.

    • El Tico Loco

      Hip Hop can break down barriers as far partying is concerned but what about systematic racism? Police relations? Job Market? Emergency healthcare? Hip Hop has not and will not do anything for those real world issues. Especially police I don’t care if they got the whole Rawkus catalog, they see the same in minorities as when they were raised and as they were trained.

      • http://tonygrands.blogspot.com tony grand$

        @ el tico,

        Whaddup fam.

        I think that’s a lot of pressure to put on hip hop though. As much as I believe in the power & ability of the culture, I doubt that it will ever be such a platform to actually aid in some type of global or domestic reform.

        Even the most political influences in hip hop can only do so much, & we’ve witnessed that. That’s why Puff/Jeezy/TI getting the youngsters out there to vote was such a big deal. Because it WAS a big deal.

        • El Tico Loco

          There’s no denying that hip hop can help with some changes, but it can only help escape reality temporarily, maybe that’s why hip hop is the way it now, people want a temporary escape and every racial group is on board. At the end of the day when the polls and bars close, and blunts turn to roaches, you’re gonna deal with reality and all your differences in other words you can only change what’s in your universe and hip hop is just the backdrop to what’s around you and within you.

        • http://tonygrands.blogspot.com tony grand$

          I agree with that. That’s when it becomes a person choice of directions. But in that instance, it goes back to what I said about putting that much pressure on hip hop.

          Personally, I’m not relying on this, or any culture for that matter, to make decisions towards my future. Like you said, what’s within & around me.

          Sometimes temporary relief is all we can hold on to, reality bites.

        • squadwildin

          I will say this though….music, in general, brings people together…wat a person does during that time is up to the individual. Some people may choose to break down barriers….some may choose to build stronger walls, figuratively speaking.

          Music is only the catalyst, meaning, it has no effect on the product of the reactants, once again, figuratively speaking. It just speeds up the reaction that develops the said product, whether negative or positive.

          A person may try a club that is different in a racial sense just because they play familiar music, and end up hating it.

          Just a quick anecdote…I know for a fact, one club up here in Gainesville thats racist as all-outdoors here but only plays rap, or a better word to describe the genre of music, pop-rap. However, they turn down black club-goers like nothing: no admittance whatsoever, and they chalk it up to dresscode. On the other side of the spectrum, you have clubs that play a mix of music and you can find a more diverse crowd on any given night

          In my opinion, hip-hop, as of late, has been the strongest catalyst to get people to discuss race relations. I think we can all agree on that. This blog proves it.

  • Silly Willy

    Spoken like a true prodigy !!!!!!Tell’em why you mad, Ron!

  • El Tico Loco

    Dang, With so many rappers being exposed as frauds we can’t even scare white folks no more.
    SMH

  • LB

    Zulu1925…I agree that many INDIVIDUAL people isolate themselves. I still disagree with your take on Hip Hop’s OVERALL impact. The degree of segregation differs among cultures, which will force other cultures to catch up slower or catch up regardless of were they are in their state of mind. For instance, I’ll put out a $1,000 bet that an Asian, Mexican, or White person can walk into most black households, even if the black people are somewhat hesitant at first, and get fed well just like his or her name is one of the family’s. You might not be able to hang out on the streets like it ain’t nothin, but most black people are generally accepting of other cultures. That is evident through Hip Hop. The President would not be if it wasn’t for the assistance of 30 years of Hip Hop!

    • Zulu1925

      @ LB

      Your statement, “I’ll put out a $1,000 bet that an Asian, Mexican, or White person can walk into most black households, even if the black people are somewhat hesitant at first, and get fed well just like his or her name is one of the family’s,” is an unprovable one. It is an interpolation of YOUR personal experiences and in no way speaks for ‘most Black households.’ In fact, the conspicuous absence of the converse of your original statement, i.e. that a Black person would get fed by an Asian, Mexican or White household confirms my stance regarding Hip Hop currently not serving as the cultural conduit it has the potential to be. And, as far as Hip Hop winning the Presidency of Barack Obama is concerned – George W. Bush won the Presidency for Barack Obama. Blacks and Hip Hop in general have voted pro-Democrat en masse since the 1960′s. Historically conservative voters were so fearful of the country continuing down the same ideological path that they voted a (half) Black man President! That’s W’s legacy.

      • Michelle S.

        I do agree that hip hop has changed some things as far as race is concerned, BUT some of y’all are giving it too much credit and too much responsibility. If hip hop was the real cause behind putting a Black man in the chair (half or not doesn’t matter), we would’ve had one a LONG time ago.

  • sealsaa

    I’ve only gotten up to “not so young Hov” and i’m already LMAO!

  • giantstepp

    IDK Mex. I think Hov makes a valid point to a degree. This generation is probably the least racist America has ever known and I think Hip Hop plays a role. “We the Best” …and we are emulated because of that. The cream always rises to the top, right? What other races idiolize in hip hop cultre, is actually a way of life for us in the black (and latino) communities. The good, the bad and the ugly.

  • geico lizard

    Ron you are dead on about Bossip. Bossip gets mad and only cares about the swirl when its black man and non black woman. When its black woman and white man they act like she won the fucking lottery(stacey dash, that chick robin thickes married to).

  • yeah man

    outstanding…one of the best blogs i’ve read on this site. i don’t even have a smart ass comment.

  • fredMS

    thanks for not treating everyone like idiots

    • Dub Sac

      palabra.

      it’s refreshing to be engaged intellectually.

  • Shawty J

    I definitely agree with a lot of this post, Mex. Hip-Hop doesn’t really help to bridge a gap between races. An neither does having a black commander-in-chief for that matter. If this generation is “the least racist” hip-hop played a small role, if any.

    BTW the 50 Flavs for every one Chuck D was hilarious.

  • BIGNAT

    “[Blogger's Note: Kanye West isn’t really Martin Luther King, you know. I mean, I can’t help but think that $1,000 sneakers weren’t part of the dream I read about on my McDonald’s placemat.]” thats funny as hell but you made alot of good points that i agree with. the main thing to me about racism is come on we still doing that it’s to the point why would you wanna be one race. mixed people are the future it’s going happen eventually anyway. unless you living on a remote island with just one race then pretty much have no choice. in the civilized world mixing is going happen unless you stay with one race because your fam will disown you. i know a couple girls who dated in there race because daddy said. you will be disowned if you go out with jamal. which equals no funds which also means mom is not babysitiing the baby. one of my coworkers is chinese he told me his cuz married a black guy and the family thought that black people. were lazy and he was just going cheat on her. then leave her with the kid. her parents disowned her for 12 years until they saw that the black guy was going no where then they decided to except him. i know it’s just a stereotype and we got to get over shit like that. not for us but for the kids think about it. racism is taught if we stop teaching it they will stop learning it. if they learn it anyway correct them. we play around typing shit on here but i believe most of you guys are just fucking around. i really hope some of you don’t think that way

  • squadwildin

    I see ya’ll boys gettin it in EARLY…a very thought provocative post….thats all i will say…imma just sit back and let the big dogs do da damn thing….
    ohh shout outs to da newcomers Zulu1925 and LB. they addin some real insightful things to the discussion i see

  • ShowTime

    Yo Ron You may favorite blogger Now. Aww man this is that real shit!Well written too.

    I do understand where Jay is coming from but you are absolutely right to put things back in its propper perspective.

    This reminds me of the controversy surrounding the new Black attorney Genreral; when he called America A nation of cowards in terms of conversing about race relations openly and honestly.

    I will counter you on this one point, tho.
    And I have been saying this forever. That hip hop, music, but specifically the genre, of Hip Hop has the potential, to influence, persuade, convert both the minds of those who Systematicaly Oprress and the ones that are Oppressed.

    I based that mostly on the song strucutre of a typical rap song.Intro-16 bars..Hook 16 Bars… How many words are you gonna write when you sing a song compared to when you rap it.

    And While it is much easier to communicate what you wanna say without having to rhyme like in a book for instance. It is precisely the fact that you are forced to rhyme ure words that make powerful messages communicated in rap,more Memorable and more Viable.

    What other Genre of Music on Earth, with the Exception of Reggae has the ability to express things, so succintly and concise. A skill artist can say a whole lot in 4 Bars.

    Now Imagine, If Malcom X made some of his speeches in raps..That kinds of the idea. Sure we had CHuck D but he is no Malcom.

    Another thing that Makes hip Hop Potential Powerful. Theres a Drum behind it..Think Africa as it relate to drums..
    Thats Sound.
    Then you have the lyrics. Thats Word.
    Then you have the artist voice, and cadence.
    Thats Power.

    And that my friend, as my Rastas say, is Word Power and Sound.

    That is a Powerful tool.

    But Illuminati Knows this already. The powers that be Knows this.

    So as soon they failed to Make Hip HOp a passing Fad, when it fist came about in the Bronx, They were Plotting a new plan for its demise.

    They Sought to Control it. Not only that but make themselves richer while doing so!
    Why You cant find any Radio Station, Tell I Vision Station, Record Company, Or Distributor , that they are not in control of.

    So Its not that, Hip Hop can Not Flatten racisim or Attack it more effectively…

    Creative People have been coming up wit different ways to change and make the World better forever. But there Has always been another set of folks tryna stop them.

    http://www.myspace.com/showtimeny

    • http://www.ronmexicocity.com Ron Mexico

      showtime,

      real talk upon real talk! first, thanks for the love. i appreciate the fuck out of that.

      second, i think everyone seems to think i’m saying hip-hop is too small to have immense societal impact. i’m IN NO WAY saying that.

      “Hip-hop is a powerful tool that can be used for great things. However, as it stands, the culture has become little more than a cog in the faulty capitalist wheel that has caused wagon of our known world to crash and collapse onto itself.”

      in this pre-bossip conclusion, i’m trying to say that we CAN do many incredible things with hip-hop as a music and culture. the problem is that we HAVEN’T and most CERTAINLY NOT to the extent jay-z claims.

      …an extent that he likely wants to credit himself for, no less.

  • LB

    Hip Hop is where it should be and has definately assisted allowing more access, and more modes of communication for our world culture. You not only have the club rap, ya got the pop shit, ya got the gangsta, etc. And that’s only the music side of Hip Hop as an artform. Ya got craftsmen in Hip Hop like ya technicians, ya producers, etc. As an art, ya got B boy dance, ya got poetry, or spoken word, ya graffiti, ya DJ and MCin, ya got Hip Hop theatre, and even freakin classes on Hip Hop! And within all those different Hip Hop arts and crafts, ya got people from all races and nationalities talkin to one another, fellowshipin, makin money, networkin. The people who like Hip Hop but still don’t fuck with other races (possibly like my man Zulu1925), really don’t apply to our culture. I mean, you’re not really about the change. You probably listen to Hip Hop just as a fad, not because you love it and understand the importance of it to our culture, especially young people.

    • Zulu1925

      @ LB

      I think you’re missing what I’m saying. Hip Hop has the POTENTIAL to serve as a conduit or impetus for reconciliation between races and cultures. It has YET to live up to this potential. This is not merely my opinion, it’s fact. We seem to agree that Hip Hop can serve as the launch point of discussion and interaction interracially and interculturally. With that said, if you see even a modicum of opportunity for improved racial relations, as it pertains to the Hip Hop community, then it has YET to live up to it’s potential. Now, as far as my own personal viewpoint is concerned – I am a Black man who is a lifetime member of a predominantly White fraternity based on the principles of the Boy Scouts of America – Service to the community. I am also the President of the Southeast Louisiana Alumni Association (Golden Eagle Association) of the Fraternity and am currently going through the final processes to start a non-profit organization for socially and economically disadvantaged young Black men to keep them from continuing the cycle of drugs & crime in the New Orleans/Baton Rouge area. I said all that to say that my LIFE is community service – the ENTIRE community. I’m working to help people understand that we need to selflessly help uplift humanity, as a whole. I am not only ABOUT the change – I AM the change!

  • ShowTime

    No Doubt.. Ron.. We have work to do..Hopefully I can play my part.
    IM an artist who loves to make music but Ultimately Im on a mission that.. Something that I feel I was put on this earth to do.

    Artist like Curtis Mayfield, Sam Cook, Bob Marley, Peter TOsh, Buju Banton, Nas, John Lennon..

    U seem to get that.

    A lot of other rap artist are just entertainment and dont really stand for nothing.

    I was on AHH.com and some one started a Thread..that really got me pissed and really showed me where some people are at.

    The thread said, “nas needs to learn from Yo Gotti, Gucci Man, and Little Bossie how to make records”

    His point was basically that Nas beats be lacking and that the streets be playing gucci n them.

    Now, I wanst really upset with the thread starter.

    Nas does need Liver beats;to attract certain type of listeners. although I would of used different artist to express what he was trying to say..

    BUT thats not what I was pissed about!
    Its the conversation that was sparked .
    The comments people left.

    East Coast: PPl calling their southern brothers dumb and unintelligent.

    South Cats: Not wanting to learn anything from the music they listening too: Essential equating, coon= ENtertainment and Substance=Boring.

    ANd Overall ppl not understanding the seriousnes of these time and Life in general..Not concerned about the things that really matters the most.

    IM not saying one type of Hip HOp is better than the other or we shouldnt laugh or entertain ourselves with trivial things.. But PPl need to wake up and Grow Up.

    Were so dependent on a system where we can clock some ours at work or sell some rocks, pay our bills, buy a car buy a house, have sex and just fall asleep..and not– give a fuck about whats really going on in the world…

    Then the system crashes and then the ppl finnaly realized we should of been paying attention.

    U know, when a Nigga can no loner run to the super market for foof that will feed his babies….

    When He can no longer run to Macdonalds to feed himself Junk food..
    Then he’d wish he knew how to plant some potatoes or hunt…

    When A nigga can no longer buy the medicine he needs to keep himslef alive..He’ll wish he was a scientist.

    When A nigga meets his creator.. then he will want to repent and be righteous and stop killing his own people.

    Sorry for the tangent Yall..
    Its 5:00 am And Im tired as fuck..I hope this made sense.

    Peace. and big up my Jamaicans.

  • capcobra

    i agree.

    • http://tonygrands.blogspot.com tony grand$

      Word…….

      It’s deeper than rap (no Rick Ross).

  • LB

    Zulu1925…I certainly do commend your efforts bruh and definately agree with your general stance. In sayin that, from your background that you’ve disclosed, I can see why we’re seemingly talkin TomAto-Tomato, and why your sentiment is somewhat different than mines on this issue. Nevertheless, people should use our common interests in Hip Hop to reach out more. Hip Hop is alot more than just puttin on some headphones and listenin to Top 40. Hip Hop is the street functions, the festivals, the concert; events that are meant to bring the person that’s a lifetime Boy Scout together with the person who’s been a lifetime hood nigga (ya never know, could be distant cuzzins), to bring together that kid from the burbs with that kid from the jects. Through tappin into the essence of Hip Hop culture, not just music, we can accomplish building those bridges of access. Ya see, if you are change, then lets pool together resources that we already have through what Hip Hop pioneers already started, network further on better solutions, instead of touting our individual projects from afar.

    • Zulu1925

      Last one from me on this subject – I promise!

      Never did I infer that I was a lifetime Boy Scout – the Fraternity that I’m IN is associated with and formed according to the principles of the Boy Scouts of America. I grew up in the 8th Ward of New Orleans (that pic of the Chevron underwater near the interstate during Katrina) and went to high school with Mannie Fresh and graduated with Mia X (J.S. Clark Senior High). I’m a product of the ‘hood, I just was lucky enough to get out and now I’m trying to help other young men do the same. But, the initial point of this thread was to develop a discussion regarding whether Hip Hop has improved race relations. That goal has been accomplished – Some people feel that Hip Hop HAS improved race relations (you and others); Some people feel that Hip Hop hasn’t improved relations or could do a much better job to that end (myself and others). We can agree to disagree. What prompts me to continue to respond are the subliminals you drop during the course of your posts – implying that the reason I don’t see things from your point of view is that I’m a Boy Scout who disassociates with other races. Both inferences are untrue. And, as far as pooling resources is concerned, I’m down to do that. Drop me a line (zulu1925@yahoo.com) and I’ll help your efforts in any way that I can. Be cool!

  • East Saint618

    i havent dealt with too much racism as a black man even though i live in East Saint Louis,IL…. ive notice alot of racist ONLY get along with blacks because of the music. I was at this college and this Korean kid was dancing with a group of…. ima have to say this but a group of Niggas… i believe in Chris Rocks BLack people and Niggas theory.. but any way every thing was cool until one nigga called him chinese… then everything just got akward… i guess there is just no respect for cultures and races…. there will never be