Do Rappers Think We’re Stupid?

If there’s one thing I respect about Kanye, it’s his honesty. Granted, he’s delusional  and way off in some regards, but I appreciate his honesty.

I understand that it’s not a good look for rappers to be vulnerable, but delusion isn’t exactly helping their profile either. And it’s like it’s gotten worse over the years. Then again, we’ve gotten wiser. Coming up, most of us pretty much believed everything these rapper ass rappers told us. Still, the amount of bull coming out of these guys’ mouths seems to be outrageously disproportionate.

Take Rick Ross for example. The boss recently claimed that “Mafia Music” ended 50′s career. Now, I know this site harbors many a 50 hater, but I don’t think any one of you sane-minded good folks believe Ross ethered Fif. There’s also a line on the song where Ross claims to be chilling “on 20 million.” Does he think we believe him?

I’m sure most of you caught Lil Wayne and Katie Couric’s first date on CBS last week. The same dude who said “what the fuck is reading” or something to that effect, had the nerve to tell Couric he makes music for people to know he’s intelligent. Cash Money’s entire roster deffected and Wayne inexplicably stayed home. Now he’s the star his former label mates couldn’t fathom being. He must have some smarts to have put himself in that position. But for him to think intelligence comes to mind whenever his music comes on is pretty amusing. I mean, does he think we bought it? Probably so since Tha Carter III has scanned nearly 3 million to date. And to his credit, he doesn’t sound nearly as niggorant whenever dealing with sports. He’s been doing pretty good doing all this work with ESPN and appearing on “Around The Horn.”

But back to Yeezy. I’m sure you guys already read all about him being devastated by the alleged Rihanna and Chris Brown controversy. Of course, he couldn’t leave the interview without one of his customary dumb quotes, so he told Ryan Seacrest that Rih Rih was the most important artist in music today and had potential to become the greatest artist of all time. Pftttt! Soooooo, Rih Rih can barely sing, is a decent dancer and is surrounded by a great team, but she has the potential to be better than Paul McCartney, Stevie Wonder, Michael Jackson, Prince, or even Aretha Franklin? Like, does Kanye really believe that, or does he think we’re stupid.

The thing is rappers now realize how influential they are, so they come up with ideas, beat us in the head with it, pause, and hope it spreads. Like Jim Jones trying to replace the N-word with Obama and substitute “bitch” with Michelle. Like, did he think we’d fall for it? Did he really think it was a good idea? I interview rappers every now and then and have to restrain myself from laughing at their answers. Some of them actually look me in the eye thinking I believe them. There are exceptions of course. I can’t express how much I appreciate speaking to folks like Common, Chamillionaire and Bun B just to name a few. Rappers need to realize that the public is now wiser than ever, which is why a crap load of them isn’t selling any records. We’re not buying it, pun intended. Until they wise up, we’ll be laughing at them, not with them. -Jackpot

  • amar

    “Coming up, most of us pretty believed everything these rapper ass rappers told us.”

    i’m not pretty and i still don’t believe.

    but anyway, i actually thought wayne had a point, in that people below the poverty line trynna come up have a hard time being taken seriously. Everyone looks down on u when u grew up with little potential and a shitty education. Coming up as a rapper, making money and writing about your thoughts is a way of showing your intelligence and breaking through the barrier. Too bad weezy writes about how he’s rare like mr. clean with hair though…

  • Pierzy

    “Coming up, most of us pretty believed everything these rapper ass rappers told us.”

    Co-Sign Amar. I realized at about the age of 11 that it was mostly bullshit. Plus, if anyone ever saw “The Show,” Dr. Dre had the best quote about how you can rhyme about shooting someone but you’re not really going to do it. “This is, like, our job…”

  • http://tonygrands.blogspot.com tony grand$

    Whether or not they think we’re stupid is irrelevant. They (for the most part) are relatively smart.

    If you think about the amount of artists (rap or otherwise) who make basic, level-headed, easily digestable music, its a lot more than those who attempt to “teach/school” us. No coincidence that Fif is generally more popular than Talib Kweli. Or Soulja Boy making mills while Ras Kass sits in oblivion. Look @ Common’s career, its taken him years to garner almost as much success as Jezzy has achieved in half that time. There’s got to be some genius to that machine.

    If one approaches the music biz with the attempts to make money, they have to be smart enough to keep themselves relevant. As long as they satisfy our needs, then they can afford the luxury of treating us like the mindless imbeciles they probably think we are.

    That’s why Ye says all the asanine shit he does, because we buy his records, same for Wayne, & as long as they’re doing numbers, they’ll continue to do/say anything that pops into their heads.

    So, yeah, they think were dumb.

    • Dub Sac

      Rappers treat us like idiots because most fans are, and there in lies the genius.

      Face it – most of the people buying these records don’t give a shit about hip-hop. The listen to pop music, regardless. There’s no reason to treat a pop demographic with any kind of integrity.

    • $ykotic

      Tony grand$!

      Thank you for that insight! You are a beast!

      I passed that on for a little push.

      We enjoyed your perspective last night.

      Back to the post….

      We(majority) are stupid. We made these dudes millions.

    • cheetah shine

      that doesn’t really say anything about jeezy’s marketing, it says something about how gullible the public is. jeezy has his momnets, but his concept for the recession pretty damn weak.

  • Stevie B

    I agree with tony to a certain extent but I think its more complex than just rappers thinking we are dumb.
    Some probably do think we are dumb.
    Others are dumb themselves.
    A good number actually believe the bullshit that they are spewing.
    I also believe that yes men poison good people we all know its a common problem but after seeing some of that yes man shit first hand its worse then I feared.
    And call me crazy but I do believe that some rappers do some of the shit that talk about but with so many liars no can tell a real from a fake

    • http://tonygrands.blogspot.com tony grand$

      @stevie b,

      I gotta cosign the “yes men” plague.

      These dudes seem to surround themselves with “riders” instead of “rydaz”, which fuels their egos & blinds them to public opinion. & somebody’s buyin their music, which is all they’re concerned with in the first place.

      • squadwildin

        You know wat seperates the successful from the unsuccessful??? 50 Cent, Young Jeezy, Rick Ross, Nas, Jay Z, Ice Cube, to name a few all had something in common. They all had a story to tell. Whether it was true or not, they all had something about their lives that was special enough to share with the world.

        50 cent having got shot 9 times sold 9 million + records with his first album had a story to tell. Ice Cube with his first three classics had a story to tell about growin up in South Central. Young Jeezy having some of the lowest dope numbers(Mr. 17.5) in Atlanta, had a story to tell. Rick Ross knowing Noreaga was a great story that could be told, whether it held any truth or not. It captivated the listener and gave him individuality from the rest of the Dope Boys gettin into rap.

        So you see, rap goes back to the basic priniciple of story telling, whether it was your story or someone close that you knew. 2 Pac told the story of the hood, even though he had long moved out with his first record deal. He was like the hood’s Muse in a sense, voicing the opinions of those who were shunned by corporate America.

        Lil Wayne is so successful because he has a story to tell. It definitely is not his… It’s in fact Baby aka the Birdman’s story. What Lil Wayne is talkin bout is what Baby lived thru, ie sellin dope, shootin guns and what not. They dont call him the Birdman for nothin. Wayne is in a sense, a biographer that found himself so close to the story that he has engulfed himself in it.

        Bow Wow will never be successful from hear on out because he has no story. He grew up too fast. He’s lived the good life with no struggle or strife. And that is the reason why child rappers dont prosper.

        *****Except for Lil Wayne******

        • http://tonygrands.blogspot.com tony grand$

          Cosign having a story to tell. That makes a world of difference, especially since a lot of “fans” adhere to music (of all ilks) so intently to escape their own realities.

          Which poses a question.

          Would the same MC’s be so popular/successful if they openly stated, “Man, all this shit is fake. I make up this shit up. Its the same as writing a book or a movie to me.”

          Honesty vs Credibility.

        • Curtis75Black

          Tony, It depends on how he approaches it. See back in the early 80′s with Grandmaster Flash, you heard the truth along with fake and it wasn’t something that had to be debated. I feel in the era of Nas,BIG,Wu,Pac and others the line got crossed. “Keep it Real” and the “crossover”appeal messed up the minds for some where they couldn’t tell the difference. For a emcee to “keep it real” he had to talk the tales of the street, the grimey, the suffocating mess of the world. Anything less was commercial and “Crossing over” to the other side for radio play, something “Real” rappers didn’t do and fans didn’t want !! Not knowing they was actually crossing over fans felt for the trap and now everything less is garbage.One reason why someone like Common who spits with the best of them and gets the props for that, doesn’t get sales of a Jeezy or Ross or even a Jay-Z. If Ross just came out and said before his career that this was all an act, you wouldn’t want to listen, regardless if it was hot.

        • http://tonygrands.blogspot.com tony grand$

          No doubt. Like with the artists I listened too back in those days, take Slick rick, I didn’t give a shit if “the moment I feared” or “indian girl” were real.

          I believe the level of dependancy to the music has evolved greatly, due to the era right before bling”. The transition from “grimey” to “iced out” changed the whole direction of what was supposed to be an artform.

          Then it became a resume of sorts. Instead of selling the consumer “a” story, the money was now in selling “their” story.

        • Curtis75Black

          Fans know when a rapper is spittin’ Bullshit but they give the excuse of the song having a nice beat and a good flow into believing the emcee. I remember back in the day, niggas was debating on whether B.I.G.’s “I got a story to tell” was real or fake. I’m sitting there laughing my ass off like “Come on ya’ll !! You really believe that shit ? Fuck if the song is hot. Boss, a DefJam product after Nikki D and before Foxy Brown was found out to be a product of the suburbs (Papa Doc anyone ?) and her status was revoked. Why can’t it happen today, I have no Idea.

        • http://tonygrands.blogspot.com tony grand$

          Man, they chased that poor girl outta hip hop so fast!

          Personally, I’ve never cared how “real” the artist was, but I’m sure that has something to do with how long I’ve been a fan of hip hop.

          I think the real issue is how adament these artists are on appearing to live what they talk. Street cred wasn’t even an issue a 15 yrs ago. Now without it, you might as well just be a ghostwriter for someone who does have it.

          I’d love to see a cat come out with that statement though, “man, all this shit is make believe”. That would indeed be the epitome of “keeping it real”.

        • capcobra

          champ what up..i had to check in real quick..it’s 8 things a rapper must do to be considered real…1.introduce himself..2.place himself in jeopardy..3 make himself likeable..4 create sympathy…5.be in a familiar setting..6.have a familiar flaw..7..be in touch with your own power..8..be a superhero to your audience…..those 8 rules apply to any successful rapper..so it don’t matter if they life or story is real or fake cuz after they cover those power points you gon feel like you know ‘em…and that’s why stories outlast punchlines…it’s all about creating a character.

        • squadwildin

          Good looks on the co-sign tony grand. it means a lot….like seriously, no sarcasm or none of that shit.

        • http://tonygrands.blogspot.com tony grand$

          All love, juice. (ha! No homo)

          You said it yourself, as hip hop fans, these are the things we come here to do…

        • http://tonygrands.blogspot.com tony grand$

          @ squad,
          Its all love, juice. (No homo) You said yourself, as hip hop fans, this is what we come here to do.

          @ cap,
          Wuddup ppl. That formula sounds awfully familiar lol.

    • $ykotic

      Real talk guys.

      e.g. Milli Vanilli

      We the people were duped. Big time. Dudes and T.I.’s caked heavy off of that. Blatant rip off of C & C Music Factory/Soul to Soul.

      Payola’s a bitch, ain’t it?

      @Detroit down below:

      I caught that.

      @ Jackpot below:

      Damn skippy homes.

      The OG’s used to tell me: “Just because you smart don’t make the world intelligent. Most niggaz is dumb. What that make you?”

      Capitalism means to capitalize off of the masses.

  • tra9iCX3

    I COMPLETLEY AGREE WITH JACKPOT, RAPPERS TODAY THINK THAT EVERYONE LISTENING TO THEM ARE DUMB FUCS…THE TRUTH IS I KNOW MORE KIDS BETWEEN THE AGES OF 15-21 ON MY BLOCK (7TH & HOLLY ST., CARPAS CA) THAT CAN KICK SOME INTELLIGENT RAP. MY LIL COUSIN UTILIZES HIS WIDE VOCABULARY EVERY TIME WE’RE BATTLING, AND ON THA REAL, THIS KID IS BETTER THAN 85% OF RAPPERS OUT TODAY. NO JOKE. KIDS GET SMARTER WITH EVERY GENERATION. RAPPERS & EMCEES NEED TO STEP THEIR GAME UP, BI9 TIME, BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, THEY NEED TO STOP SPEAKING THEIR MINDS TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC LIKE WE ARE ALL AS STUPID AS THEM..THINK ABOUT WHAT U SAY BEFORE YOU TELL THA WHOLE FUCKEN WORLD.
    T

    • http://tonygrands.blogspot.com tony grand$

      @ squad,
      It’s all love, fam. You said youself, as hip hop fans, this is what we come here to do.

      @ cap,
      Hell yeah, I can dig it. That formula sounds awfully familiar lol!

  • macdatruest

    Take Rick Ross for example. The boss recently claimed that “Mafia Music” ended 50’s career. Now, I know this site harbors many a 50 hater, but I don’t think any one of you sane-minded good folks believe Ross ethered Fif. There’s also a line on the song where Ross claims to be chilling “on 20 million.” Does he think we believe him?

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    How much unbelievable shit has Fiddy said? Including claims that (ahem) Piggy Bank ended Nas and Jadakiss careers? And that taking Rick Ross old bitch on a shopping spree eneded Ross’s hit streak? Also that Ja Rule “invented” the Curtis Jackson restraining order, which is public record (June 9th 2000 look it up)

    but when I see posted by XXL Staff, I already know what to expect. A undercover slandering of Wayne or Kanye. Or either some off-brand G-Unit co-sign or Detox hope story.

    Do magazines think we believe the “opinions” and “hidden agendas” they push off as unbiased journalism??? This article is really just a check up to see if people think Fiddy is losing. I think he been lost. Rick Ross back down? Not based on the shopping spree or the songs, hell I would call my Baby Mama and laugh that she back in Miami wit a hot ass fur coat

    • http://www.xxlmag.com jackpot

      Come on, macdatruest, you can’t be serious. I’m the same dude who posted his receipt of Kanye West’s 808 & Heartbreak in the blog, the same cat who said Ross’ music was currently better than 50′s, the same dude who pointed out that 50 always rounds out his soundscan numbers without specifying that he’s referring to worldwide sales causing us to think he’s sold 10 mill in the US alone. We give credit when it’s due, but will also criticize when deserved. That’s fair.

  • Bobo D

    It’s entertainment, so when a rapper talks about this and that on a song, as long he puts his heart into it I can enjoy the music. It’s like reading a book or watching a movie it puts you in another realm. But it’s also good to put some truth in you’r music it makes you more human and more easy to identify to, I bet Officer Ross would have sold more albums to all the C.O’s around the world rapping about how cellmates use to throw shit at him.

    But when a so called rapper starts living there fantasy outside the booth thats where the problem arises, and thats why Ross, Wayne, Jim “Dirty Dee” Jones are so full of shit that they actually believe everything they say.

  • Avenger XL

    I never believed these rapping ass rappers. They are entertainers kids, Though it is 90% buisness it is still 10% show. That 10% creates the illusion that allows the business to happen. Look at all the suspect talents the mainstream media cosigns. Why wouldn’t rappers speak their life into being because didn’t they speak their fame into being?

    Examples

    1. Lil Wayne- Started quite possibly the greatest marketing puch in hip-hop with the whole greatest rapper a live statement and folks started to debate on it like crazy. Now wayne has many consumers believing the hype which he doesn’t deserve. All of his success is based less on his actual talent and more on the illusion he casted.
    2. Kanye is just playing up his whole I don’t think I just speak because I am so full of passion sthick. Anytime he gets airtime expect something wild to go down because it gets folks talking and adds to his illusion.
    3.Rick Ross- Nobody in their right mind believes 98% of these rappers where big time dope dealers or the feds would make an example out of their ass. Their is no easy way out of the street game case closed if you make it out you better treat it like NAMM and shut your yap about it. But Rick Ross created the drug boss character because people were checking for that extra hard at the time, I believe Jeezy was white hot on the charts when everyday I’m hustling came out. He just to cues from what the game wanted and played a superior character.

    4. On him ending 50 career with mafia music-Though I think this whole thing is a set up between them and I will keep this belief till someone gets shot. I think he is staying in character what would a egomonical Boss say some ignant shit like one song ended the career of 50. The bad thing for 50 is all though he has jokes, he hasn’t released a decent peice of music in a minute. So time may be in favor of Officer Ricky.

  • Curtis75Black

    Ok Jackpot, you are one of the few who CAN see both sides of the coin but how often is it done though ? I’ve read articles where the “Hard Questions” are not asked at all and the interviewer is just riding with the emcee. That’s not unbiased !! It’s agenda driven and it’s sad for a Hip Hop mag going there. Ya’ll want to keep it real but you don’t want to hurt feelings eitherbecause of advertising, FUCK THAT !! If you go there, you’re just as bad as the others.

  • louie mo

    “Take Rick Ross for example. The boss recently claimed that “Mafia Music” ended 50’s career. Now, I know this site harbors many a 50 hater, but I don’t think any one of you sane-minded good folks believe Ross ethered Fif. There’s also a line on the song where Ross claims to be chilling “on 20 million.” Does he think we believe him?”

    _______________________________________________ok be honset ………. how much do ya’ll get every time ya’ll metion 50′s name ……. i mean that could be the only reason why ya’ll always find a way to bring his name up…… or either ya’ll just like pole jockin him that that much

  • DETROIT

    IS ANYONE GONNA ADDRESS THE FACT THAT STEVIE WONDER COMPLETELY SONNED T-PAIN ON THE GRAMMYS, BY SHOWING HIM HOW THE AUTO-TUNE IS REALLY SUPPOSED TO BE USED!

  • P-Matik

    “The thing is rappers now realize how influential they are, so they come up with ideas, beat us in the head with it, pause, and hope it spreads.”

    You mean like Biggie is the best rapper of akk time? Diddy said that years ago and you morons are still repeating it like clowns.

  • Michael

    Bob Dylan, Springsteen, Niel Young, van Morrison, CCD, MC5, The Kinks and on and on and on.

  • $ykotic

    Like during the early days of this rap ish, if you were fake you were immediately exposed.

    There was a code that had to be upheld. It was our coming out party so no one involved or put on was allowed to mis-represent.

    Then the code was broken because money was involved. it went from being a crossover was a bad look to you better be a crossover or your done.

    On everything, when “Ruthell Thimmons” signed FLATLINERZ, it threw up my spidey sense that something is wrong with hip hop.

    To me, Rick Rubin is the man.

    So yes dudes in the game are playing us for suckers.

    Even Bernie Madoff had groupies.

  • Curtis75Black

    Vanilla Ice got exposed, BOSS got exposed, Onyx was shown to have a lighter image before they blew up, we all seen Jay-Z looking like a distant cousin standing next to Jaz in those “Hawiian Sophie, Originators”videos before he blew up, we all should’ve seen Ice-T looking like Grandmater Flash in those Breakin’ sequals and doing The Pee-Wee Herman in Joe-Ski Love’s video. We know when a rapper is false and fake but it depends on the emcee if they get exposed. Why did it take a non Hip Hop site to expose Ross and Plies ? Why didn’t XXL do it ? Why continue to talk about it but shun real emcee’s, real groups that continue to spit with vigor and substance ?

  • squadwildin

    Yea cosign tony grand on that ghost writing tip. Some rappers should have just stayed ghost writers and collected the checks that they could. MIMS is one guy that comes to mind and sorry to say, but Bishop Lamont. I know some of ya’ll gone hate that i said that but, its true. And time is runnin out for him.

    • http://tonygrands.blogspot.com tony grand$

      Hahahaha @ Bishop Lamont’s career! Naw, I’m just talking shit.

      Its like the testosterone theory you LOVE to talk about lol. Everybody wants to be the man, in the spotlight. That position aint for every dude. Hip hop suffers from a tremendous lack of part playing.

      Not only does a (fairly treated) ghostwriter eat, but that’s a viable career in music, let alone hip hip. That should be the dream (no homo, ha!) job for an up & coming rap dude.

  • ceaser paciotti

    yes u motherfuckers are dumb. you buy records and continue to talk about them, therefore keeping them relevant. from a rapper’s point of view “if it aint broke why fix it?” sheeple. baa baa

  • Shawty J

    I look at rap is entertainment only. I already know half of these rappers are fake. If you look at most of the rappers that actually have money, they’re getting their money from outside business ventures. Prime example: Jay-Z didn’t get rich as he did just off of music.

    I don’t even wanna get started on these rappers that claim to sell drugs. If the amount of rappers that claimed to sell drugs actually sold drugs there were be more hustlers than fiends, which would equal those rappers having very unsuccessful hustling career that they wouldn’t bother rapping about.

    Rick Ross is a prime example of a fake rapper. I knew dude was a character when I first heard him. He did a XXL interview talking about hoe he needs to make 10 million a year to function and that’s not off rap. If he really were some big drug kingpin he would’ve never became a rapper, because he would’ve made more money doing that, and he damn sure wouldn’t have outed himself as such or imply that he’s still selling drugs. I work at the Atlanta airport and I’ve seen Ross numerous times, if he was getting the money that he implies he’s been getting he wouldn’t be flying commercial on Delta airlines.

    Wayne’s another example of a fake rapper. “Money so old it’s growing white hair.” Does he really think we believe he’s still making Hot Boy money when the entire label left over Birdman with holding royalties. And I don’t even wanna get started on new money. There was a three year gap in between Carter II and Carter III, so for two of those years he probably wasn’t seeing royalties. There’s no publishing in mixtapes, no royalties there. Record sales have been down for years, so even his guest appearances (Which I doubt he actually gets paid $75,000-150,000 per verse) couldn’t have earned him that many royalties either. With no other side ventures Wayne’s primary income had to have come from doing shows up until Carter III came out, so I know he ain’t as rich as he claims to be.