Deconstructing The Myth…

Thuggin’ bubbles…

I was all ready to go in deep to deconstruct the myth of Tupac being in the Top 10 list of rappers of all time and I just realized that he may not even make the Top 50 list. Calling Tupac the G.O.A.T. is like calling Lil’ Wayne the “best rapper alive”. The only way either of these scenarios is possible is if you remove every other rapper from existence.

I originally was going to compare Tupac’s lyrics against these other rapper’s best songs…

Rakim
NaS
Jay-Z
Ice Cube
B.I.G.
LL
Kool G Rap
Common
Big Pun
Andre 3K
Big L
KRS-1

Then I realized that I had left off so many other rappers who deserve to get placed in that control group.

Redman
Scarface
Ghostface
Raekwon
E-40
Treach
Black Thought
GZA
Method Man
Mos Def
Talib Kweli

And then I realized that there are these rappers who will come to surpass Tupac in lyrical quality like…

Joell Ortiz
Joe Buddens
Royce da’ 5-9
Crooked I
Game
Saigon
Fabolous

And then I thought about how eazy it was to make a list…

Young Jeezy
Kanyeezy
Lil’ Weezy
Lil’ Eazy
Febreze

Okay, maybe I’m wrong on that one. Tupac might could rap better than Febreze.

  • heyyterr

    pacs nuts taste like maggots

    • banthum

      What type of FAGGOT shit is that???!!!

      • J LAJIKAL

        I 2nd that!!! Dats sum real BATTY BWOT SHIT!!!

      • tony grand$

        ^^^lmmfao!

    • valdez

      i’m not a pac “stan” as yall call it, but whoever wrote the above list is a str8 up fucking idiot and your hip hop card needs to be revoked. and anyone who agrees with this guy should just go kill yourself.

      maybe this was yout attempt at comedy… if so u were way more successful than u probably originally anticipated.

      1st off, u know u wrong for puttin biggie over pac (let alone raekwon and ghost, although i got love for them). but biggie only had 2 albums.

      biggie was a good rapper, no doubt, but he stood for nothing. i can’t think of one bar biggie spit that was useful. that u could actually learn somethin from. pac, on the other hand was very versatile… he did the thug thing, he could talk the ladies out of their clothes, he taught us a lttle about our history as blacks, he made u feel PROUD to be black. he made u feel special because u were black. he was very spiritual and spoke to and about christ alot. he had humility. he made positive songs for black women. he single-handedly went to war with all the major rappers on the east coast.

      i could keep going man, but u should get the point. there is no other rapper that encompasses all of these things in one.

      the list goes more like this…

      1. Pac
      2. Rakim/KRS
      4. Nas
      5. Biggie/jay/Scarface

      • EReal

        I learned 10 things from Crack Commandments.

  • that nigga

    O.M.G, thank you. I been sayin this to my Pac Stan friends for the longest. Pac Is not even a good rapper. Its just his passion, his substance and topics that he raps about that puts him over the top. Plus his personality, his family legacy and his way with motivating people with his words. As far as putting intricate wordplay together……thats a NEGATIVE.

    • Hate Hate and more Hate

      “. Its just his passion, his substance and topics that he raps about that puts him over the top”

      Naw my nig, it was that right ass Village People leather Vest, the Aunt Jemima Bandanna, and the fruity ass nose ring that put him over the top

      • that nigga

        HAHAHAAHA!!!! Thats fucked up Mr hate!!

        • DeLuX

          Yuh, but true. And yo, whoever made the original list is out they mind. Tha fuck is up with E-40 being on that?

    • DevoG

      It’s funny how years after this man has died people are making this argument. When he was alive nobody in the industry said shit. The only niccas on the East Coast poppn any relavant shit was mobb deep(I don’t count the de la and the fugees; different weight classes). Hov’s diss track didn’t surface until earlier this year, and BIG really ain’t won’t it(and I’m a B.I.G fan). Come on, he called him out by name and allegedly fuxd his wife. I always thought BIG was a better lyricist(can’t take that away), but Pac’s was better at tapping a persons emotions. Kinda on some Obama shit ya dig. When the rappers on your list pass away how many people will be breaking there neck to be on there albums 10 years later. Furthermore, if you ask the rappers on your list the same question they will put him in the top 10, if not the top 5. We’re all entitled to our opinions though.

    • zayzkidd

      I was strong til Little Cease cripple me
      now i’m strong like ripple be…THATS INTRICATE WORD PLAY???!!!!!

      • Ron

        get the correct lyrics dumbass before you try to diss someone
        its:
        “Ya still tickle me, I used to be as strong as ripple be
        Til lil cease crippled me
        Now I play hard, like my girls nipples be
        The game sour like like a pickle be, yall know da rule”

        Thats more intricate than pac ever was, dont get me wrong, pacs a good rapper, all he was though was an actor though. How do you go to new york to do ballet and fall in love with vivica fox, than becoming a roadie for a rap group who had one memorable hit called the “humpty hump”, and turn out to become the “g.o.a.t. and diss a whole entire coast where you got your whole idea of a “thug” from and still get respect? that boggles me. Good post. Im not hating, just being real. “Thug Life” on your chest? thats like if Biggie put “Koke Raps” on his, who does fake shit like that, Pac was a corny ass nigga, the west didnt have anyone with better raps though at that time so thats why they’ll never shut the fuck up about him.

    • FlapJack

      You have to give pac a lil bit though…he was kind of the g-unot killa of his day..

  • FlapJack

    People get that rock-star shit confused with lyricism..

    Motherfuck a 2pac-stan!

    Tupac=Ja Rule
    Just not THAT corny

    The other love/hate, wackest/greatest rapper, Wayne, is a lot more like Biggie, don’t front. Not so much what he says, but how he says it.

    • 619

      ‘Tupac=Ja Rule’?, you know how retarted that sounds. Especially when Ja spent his short career tryin’ to be like Pac, look like Pac, and sample Pac’s music.

  • AVENGER XL

    Pac was over rated pound for pound lyrically. I think the reason why he is big upped by everyone is as follows:
    1. His lyrics were simple and spoken with a lot of charisma. Wich means he could relay his message to the masses without much intiation. Most of the greates required some kind of understanding of the culture not pack he was out of the box and start thugging. He gave voice to the ghetto even though if you study his music you see why they may never leave the ghetto. He had a diteinct voice and cadance that is truely one of the greatest of all time that you can’t deny.
    2. Allowed himself to get caught up in the most over hyped beef in history, where two moguls irresponsible pulled two coasts in there petty squables for money now let’s see who won. Both your pawns are dead and shug is broke, while puffy remains TEH GAY in fashion and can’t a good record to save his missreable life.
    3. He started the whole I am a revolutionary but I destroy the community between the hours of 3 and 6 am stick. Not to mention being the face of the I love my momma but will consider most you braods bitches now where is my champagne to pour on you broads.
    4.This was the greatest rapper actor of all times. Dudes whole career was playing a character. He just played the character too well and died for hanging around a jinx like shug Knight.
    5. He set so many trends including making everyone aware of the word thug on a grand scale. Allowing even R&B looking niggas to play thug. Leading by swag etc…… His design created countless knock-offs
    6. He gave an excuse to countless fools who didn’t want to grow up or leave the ghetto “til I got that Thug life tatted on my chest”.

    7. It is cool to do and if you diss like him or think he is overrated you will be dissed.

    • Parispolice

      Nice post Avenger, but this is my response to your post.

      1. His lyrics were simple? I find that hard to believe. Now he’s not a Biggie who can rhyme the world play 100x..no that’s a different gendre of hip hop to me. He was someone who rhymed his poetry and his msg.. he never rapped about shaking ass, bling bling, or gave a shit about that..he was raw.

      2. over hyped beef? dude got shot in biggie’s studio. thats not some lyrical shit, thats getting shot. ever been shot? it pisses u off, trust me. lol. It’s not his fault the rest of the rappers on each coast got into it. The guy had beef with Biggie and Puffy with good reason, and a real reason, instead of the ghey shit gay-z and nas tried to replicate. thats the influence he had on the rap game. He fucked the whole thing up, who else has done that? Kanye brings out a new sound, u all jump on him and calling him every name in the book…but he has the power to change something so drastically, and thats more than enough to gloat about.

      3. You love your mama right? but i bet you know some real dirty hoes you talk to about to your friends, wtf is the problem in that?

      4. Character? The guy was too smart for his own good and im glad he died cause he would have prolly sold out by now. You guys need to do a bit more research on his life before thinking he was a gimmick. Nelly is a gimmick, Lil wayne is a f’n gimmick, dude walks around with a cup and a guitar..nose ring and shit like he’s Slash. Slash is the real deal, not Lil Wayne. Pac was the real deal, not Puffy. That was a character.

      5. The word Thug is something we can discuss over and over, but thats his shit. I believe these days, its called swagga jackin if ppl ripped his thug life of him. what, you think guys like Jim Jones, or Dipset are thugs? lil wayne? jeezy? c’mon dude..

      6. I guess you didn’t get the whole “rose from concrete” thing..before you make stupid remarks and false accusations, please do some research before you talk about shit like this. It only makes you blend in more with today’s dumbass hip hop community.

      • DevoG

        Good break down Paris. BX I just don’t see how you can put Pac in the same category as wayne. In every industry there are transcendent figures. Pac had to be considered hip hops. I’m not saying he was a better than BIG. But for you to say he is not in the top 10 is ridiculous. L.L. better than Pac. Riiiiight! Fux it, now that I think about it 5 of the guys in your second group recorded with him before,and during the fued, and right before and after his death (Meth & Red “I got my mind made up”, Scarface(“Smile”), E-40(Aint Hard to Find), and Treach(East Coast BFF).

      • AVENGER XL

        OK since this is a post response to a blog I will keep it as short as possible MR. Police.

        1. Simplicity is not always a bad thing in writing. In fact the best writers say using simple langauage conveys a message better backed by passion and charisma it is sure to motivate and reach the masses like a gospel preacher down south. I always said pac was like the old school gospel preacher of rap. Now rap/Hip-hop for sport or raw lyrical battle style was not his forte and that is fine but when being considered as a g.o.a.t. that ways heavy with heads and not causal stans. As far as him not doing shake your ass songs do some research how do you want it with JODECI,What’s you phone number when he sampled 777-9311 be for real or be still. This may be your favorite rapper and you may have thug life tatted somewhere on your body but how about you do some research.

        2. These two guys had a falling out. Let me tell you from experience of hosting shows artists are emotional bitiches when it comes down to it they are always sqaubling about something. But since the investingation into him being shot in a New York rap studio belonging to Bad Boy does not point directly back to these two I think it was a misunderstanding. He was probably shot by stick up kids who hang around rapper entourages like cheeba hawks and since he was the odd man of the group on foreign soil somebody tried him. If you came to my city at the wrong time fools would try you in a heart beat that is an unfortunate part of ghetto culture and you should know how to prepare when you walk the soil to avoid being a target for stick up kids and over zealous hangers ons. Have I ever been shot thank God no and I don’t plan on trying it by avoiding foreign soil without a pass or I am going for war. I called this beef over hyped because like all over hyped beefs two black men got killed at the end. Have you ever lost someone over some bullshit, If you did you will understand how Puffy and shug are wrong for fanning these flames like a pr wrestling match.

        3. I never loved a hoe because a Hoe I never dated. I love my mother and I respect myself and my mother so if a broad don’t respect herself for real or is playing games she can keep it moving. She will not effect my life and cause me to call her anything because that means she has some kind of power over me and I won’t allow that. So if your question is are there women he turn themselves to objects and get used Yes. But the thing is most homey over hoes type dumbasses forget about the good women and start taking slick when they old lady bug and calling her all kinds of hoes. A real of thumb youngster she may be your freak but that don’t make her a hoe.
        4. All rappers are characters sans trick trick and Freddy Foxx (I ain’t trying to get Ron MEXICOed up in this piece). This is show bizness real gangsters die or go to jail on my block there is no happy ending unless you manage to some how escape. The trend of dealer turn rapper is laughable that aquaints to self dry snitching. If you in it you better not say ish you didn’t see ish and you don’t know ish. Get wordy about street bizness and you will have a real beef dirty cops and all. The only guys who walk the walk are your more autobiograpichal rappers that sound like everymen but hyper criminals are liar entertainers.

        5. What I am saying is he coined the phrase thug life and the advent of voicing a certain street culture mentality. This does not make him a grade A beast or killa this makes him the voice of these people. Dr.Dre was in N.W.A and grew up in compton but he is not an illterate killer. I grew myself an road to school/hung out with a raw group of dudes they excepted me because I was cool and I fought well but they knew this wasn’t what I was about. I wanted to get out of that hell and some of them did too some where afraid because that’s all knew so some died or are in jail. Those are the only real destinations of Thug life. Pac died for hanging around people who kept this type of mentality and shit going for too long. Once you get a break reach back and help but don’t come back down to fight petty wars over ego.
        6. The rose in the concrete thing is only valid if the rose will ecept the suns and water and grow. What he is saying is there is a whole lot of good things and smart people in the hood they just have to find a way to let there voices be heard. More people took his message as a way of life kind of a how to be a thug manual than the let your voice shine and better yourself portion and I beleive that is because he died before he could give his final statement on the movement he started like Malcom X. Now me doing research on Pac is Absurd playboy I been listening to this dude since when my homies call and Brenda’s got a babby. I noticed he didn’t get as much shine and respect until the he coined the Thug life phrase. So you do research and a word of advice don’t name yourself after any 5’0 especially Paris.

  • http://xxlmag.com Billy X. Sunday

    Avenger is like a professor of Deconstructing Tupac 101

  • Hate Hate and more Hate

    Fuck you billy X Sunday, Tupac is a Pioneer!!! If it wasn’t for him the hyphy movement would have never existed!!! Along with being a shitty rapper, Pac was a shitty dancer. He was messing up the steps to the humpty dance, that niggas started calling him a dummy. Thus the term “Go dumb” was birthed.

    Legend also says that when 2pac had got shot up in Vegas his car was still moving down the street real slow. Then after a few minutes Pac’s ghost appeared next to the moving car. Some people say that his ghost was dancing like an idiot. And that’s how ghostridin the whip came about.

    So fuck you Billy Sunday, you don’t know shit!!! lmao

    • FlapJack

      - Dies!

      I see Brenda throwing her baby in the air and shaking her dreads

      • amar

        now her baby’s out the trash heap, BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLIN’

    • that nigga

      Wow, y’all some retarded motherfuckers out there!

    • BIGNAT

      what the fuck someone please get this man some water because he is going crazy. he needs water so he can take his pills

  • Parispolice

    I love reading your posts even though I don’t comment too much but I’m gonna have to comment on this, and I think you had a feeling I was going to lol.

    Before you make another ridiculous post like this, I suggest listening to 16 on Death Row, Only Fear of Death, Hellrazor,and Only God Can Judge Me and tell me if you think his word play, his flow, and his LYRICS are as bad as you think. The dude has emotion behind his rhymes. Who has that on your list?
    Rakim? LL? Common? C’mon Billy, you’re stretching it.

    There is FAR more to rap music than taking an extra day, week, or month to write something a lot “trickier” than the other rapper. Talib Kwali is a monster behind a mic cause you can feel his raw emotion when he raps. He has the best spit ive ever heard cuz thats what he does. He spits his rhymes like its natural.

    2pac had an aura and stigma about him that 99 percent of those rappers up there don’t have or will ever have. His music wouldn’t be studied in Berkley if that wasn’t true. The fact that you’re trying to pull a fast one and calling him over rated and less of a rapper than fucking joe buddens makes me think that your monday just started today and you really hate 2pac for some reason.

    But hey, i guess countless record sales he’s had, movies he’s done, books he’s written, poetry he’s rapped, classics he’s blasted in our ears, people he influenced as far as raping (at least half of those rappers you mentioned), magazine covers, and people thinking he’s still alive (for some reason) means nothing cause Billy Sunday on XXLmag.com says so lol.

    Keep your day job bud.

    • FlapJack

      He did at one point have an influence on raping, but I don’t think he raped half the rappers he mentioned though..

      • tony grand$

        Lmmfao @ Flapjack!!
        Niggas aint catch that shit homie!!! Bwahahahahaha!

    • 2pac’s dead corpse with the maggets and all

      @ Paris, how do my nutts taste. You know more about my life than my crack head mamma! I already got rappers like Plies hanging from my nutt sack, so there’s no room for a nobody like you. I’m just sayin

  • http://kirk-francosmodernlife.blogspot.com/ Kirk

    Y’all are blasphemous bastards. Tupac had lyrical prowess and that is not what rap is all about especially today. He had actual good stories he started the biggest beef ever he didn’t get caught up in it and if he was alive to see what you were saying you’d be in that beef. If this was a complete joke it still isn;t excusable to say he is not a top 50 mc because of his lyrics. hold up you named some folks I just dont fux wit with up there not gonna incriminate myself there good I just don’t fux wit em. Peace

  • http://www.incilin.blogspot.com Incilin

    I don’t even wanta go into this with you because to me its one of those cases where we just need to agree to disagree. But whereever you put Pac on your GOAT rapper list, I recall you putting Me Against The World on your GOAT album list. And that’s more than enough for me.

  • Parispolice

    oh ya i forgot, hos in different area codes is a better rap song than brenda’s got a baby or god bless the dead lol

  • http://www.uptownempire.com Trouble

    2Pac is the greatest rapper EVER. You obviously dont like him (cause half the artist on ur list was garbage). But the truth is that his work ethic, his passion, his lyrical ability, his songwriting/concepts, are still the BEST. Some of those artist you mentioned are mediocre at best, 2Pac took hip-hop to another level

  • Parispolice

    Since Im extremely bored at work right now and you started a topic I really enjoy talking about, here is my list of your rappers on your list that have mentioned 2pac as their influence and praise his abilities..not to mention got help from him to start their careers :P

    NaS
    Jay-Z
    Ice Cube
    B.I.G.
    Big L
    Scarface
    Ghostface
    Raekwon
    E-40
    Treach
    Crooked I
    Game

    and all your lil’s and anthing that rhymes with eezy.

  • Simple like ABC, 123

    2pac = F.O.A.T. (Fakest of all time)

    2pac “Thuggin’ bubbles” = Lil Wayne “Strapped Condoms” (II)

    • that nigga

      WOW, you niggas Is goin off on Pac today huh? Thats some funny shit.

    • tra9iCX3

      Simple like ABC (all about cocks) Shut tha fuc up

      • Simple like ABC, 123

        tra9icx3
        (Transsexual 9 Inches Cock x 3) hahaha

  • http://xxlmag.com Ben

    Tupac will always be remebered as the greatest rapper ever. He died and left us Makaveli, probably the greastest west coast album ever made next to the Chronic.

  • thamonsta

    no arguement here. Might be one the most important rappers of all time, but certainly not evven close to the best, by the way…did I not see Eminem’s name on that list, or was that just an accidental glaring ommission?

  • Izza

    I’ve been saying this forever.

  • banthum

    I think that people are judging PAC by his albums after his death, before Pac died he was the best rapper in the world and it took him to blow BIGGIE,NAS,JAY-Z and the whole eastcoast up.

    These are some albums BEFORE Pac’s death…to judge him by!!!

    1.Thug Life
    2.Me Against The World
    3.All Eyes On Me(The best double CD ever…BY FAR)
    4.Makaveli

    Compare this to Biggie’s albums

    1.Ready to die-BORING
    2.Life After Death-too many fill-in songs

    Plus, thats just 2 albums compared to soooo many by PAC!!! So you east-coast niggaz need to stop hating that man because he’s the reason that you even considered in the game 2day!!!

  • Tupac

    Pac is G.O.A.T because he made the best songs, lyrics are cool but at the end of the day it’s about making records and writing songs people can feel, and when it comes to that no one can compare to Pac, I’m sure Canibus has more complex lyrics but who gives a fuck

  • Peep This

    u got weezy but where the fuck is shady?

  • http://www.msn.com west philly’s finest

    Pac is not the greatest rapper by what you judge rappers by but he probably had the biggest impact of any rapper. He probably was the most talented rapper to. It aint that many rappers that nobody tried to come at. U never heard a Pac diss song cause Pac had niggas shook back then. He came at at least 3 niggas on that G.O.A.T list and Nas said he cried when Pac dissed him. Pac was a real disrespectful fuck what u think type nigga and that’s why people say he so great. Niggas act like he was Soulja Boy or something

  • ThE AnsweR

    WUT KIND OF SHIT IZ THIS?????

    IT’S EMBARRASING TO SEE AN EDITOR HATE ON A HIP HOP LEGEND LIKE 2PAC…
    IT’S DISTURBING CUZ ‘PAC MADE SUCH AN IMPACT ON HIP HOP, THAT NO ONE ELSE HAS MADE!!! WUT OTHER RAPPER U KNOW PUT A COAST ON HIS BACK & SMASHED THE TOP NAMES IN THE EAST COAST?! (BIG, NAS, JAY-Z, Mobb Deep, LL, Chino XL, etc!)

    EDITOR… I HOPE THIS IS DA LAST TIME I HEAR THESE BULLSHIT COMPARISONS… DA FUCK IS WRONG WITH U.. IGNORANT MUTHAF*CKA!

    p.s. NAME ME ANY OTHER RAPPER THAT CAN MATCH CLASSIC ALBUMS LIKE,
    “Me against the World”
    “All eyez on Me”
    “Don Killuminati 7 Day Theory”

  • Alpha

    tupac was overrated, but not as much as you make it out to be. Tupac is still one of the top 10 of all time, because he actually stood for something, unlike 90% of other rappers of his time who were to busy pretending they were gangstas.

    your favorite rapper jay z is the only overrated one i see. jay z is mediocre lyrically, decent flow, and a sellout, he isnt even top 75 of all time. yall jay z stans overrate him more than any pac stan ever could.

  • Moi

    for all his flaws, 2pac was powerful. how many rappers are powerful? a few and in different ways but its not the most common thing in the world. RUN DMC was powerful, chuck d was powerful, ice cube was powerful, krs one was powerful, 2pac was powerful.

  • Silky Johnson

    The problem is you guys are comparing DIFFERENT ERAS. Pac was the man in the era he lived in, kinda like Jimi Hendrix. He died at the top of his game so everyone remembers him at that point but the thing is, the game has evolved the the point where Pac’s best is no longer Hip-Hop’s best. When Pac died, he was in that top 5, top 10 conversation. But guys come on…Pac died in what, 1996? It’s about to be 2009…he’s been surpassed. People took the best aspects of his style and evolved it to suit their persona. That’s how music has been forever, the newer generations take the best aspects of the previous generation’s music and alter it. Hip-Hop started off rhyming over James Brown and such if you need an example. Pac should be respected for being a pioneer because no one AT THE TIME did what Pac did, but now in this day in age he is no longer the pinnacle of rap. Biggie has managed to linger around but Biggie was always a better rapper if you looked at the technical side of it and skill will stay around longer then image. Pac was a MASTER of image, and I know I’m repeating myself here, but in 2008/9 Pac can no longer be mentioned above MC’s such as Andre 3000, Talib Kweli, Scarface, Redman, Ghostface, GZA *why does everyone sleep on him, Pro Tools was fire,*

    Reminds me of Wilt Chamberlain yeah he’s a great, yeah he dropped 100 in 1962, but let’s see him do it this season while being guarded by Shaq or K.G.

    • render

      niggas keep sleeping on wilt…. no he wouldnt put up 100 but the man was 7’1, 300 at his prime with quickness, post moves, a jumpshot and defense (at his prime)

      he’d still be 25+/10+ player, and a nba 1st teamer today

      KG and Shaq? Yall act like Bill Russell and Kareem were a couple of Shawn Bradleys

      …the fuck was I talking about again? tupac?

    • http://www.xxlmag.com epinz

      ngga, i NEVER comment on these shits,but, i gotta say, ol boy silky explained it perfectly, other than the fact that words a timeles as apposed to sports where skills and the pysical makes a big diffrece. cuz shakespeare wrote poetry in the 1400′s or sum shit, but its still the best of any geniration!

  • http://www.xxlmag.com/?p=32236 Romeo

    I think it’s fucking hilarious that this so called blogger BXS (A sorrier version of DMX) gets any kind of credit as a hip-hop blogger on the newest most infuential hip-hop magazine out, let alone his own blog section. I think its also fucking hilarious that all this Tupac hating came after an article in a magazine that has nothing to do with hip-hop nominated Tupac as the most overrated musician. Tupac was one of the few rappers (yeah, he is a rapper, and a fucking great one at that, if not the best of all fucking time) that not only transcended his time, but the genre of hip-hop as well. I agree that Tupac was not the greatest lyricist of all time, but he damn sure was one. Yeah, he had some simple songs, but just as many complex ones because he had the intelligence to touch all bases and audiences since fags like BXS don’t get it, thats why his music and poetry is studied at Berkeley. BXS is one of these bags full of douche that thinks he’s smarter than the average individual because he has his own blog section at XXL. But the real reason BXS hates Tupac so fucking much, since most of you don’t know, is simply due to the fact that he walked in on Tupac and his moms fucking to “Keep Ya Head Up back in ’93. Just thought the audience should know why this reformed crackhead of a writer tries to diminish Tupac’s legend as a rapper, poet, emcee, artist or whatever you want to refer to the man as.

  • Vicious Seiger

    Maybe we need separate divisions for the superstars of hip hop. Icons, Artists, Renegades & Lyricists to name a few catagories.

  • the real hip hop

    Really?? No Eminem in the first category….REally?? you do have LL, but you dont have Eminem?? Em ate Jigga on Jay’s best album so far (Blueprint)…but still no Eminem?? I have an idea why and im pretty sure its right

  • bigfamily

    Pac was lightweight. Lyrically he wasn’t even the best out of Digital Underground. People have this revisionist history about whether or not his lyrical content was all that. Dude was all over the map. If he was still alive he’d be repping crunk if that would give him some light.

  • Mc’s We Move Da Crowd

    ‘PAC WILL SMASH YOUR WHOLE LIST…

    MATTER FACT MORE THAN HALF OF THE LIST UP THERE IDOLIZED TUPAC!!!

    NIGGA EVEN SNOOP DOGG TOOK A BACK SEAT WHEN PAC WUZ AROUND!!!

    HATE IT OR LOVE IT………

  • MAKAVELI

    “im movin U STUPID B*TCHES,
    this is TELEKINESIS…
    am i reachin YO BRAIN????”-2PAC(NO MORE PAIN)

    THIS NIGGA CAN GET POLYSYLLABIC AND INTRICATE WHEN HE WANTED TO, HE JUST AINT HAVE TIME 4 ALL THAT LYRICAL ISH..but he rhymed u stupid b*tches wit telekinesis..u even know what telekinesis means? if yall probly think lyricism is usin big words, well theres a big word 4 u..fukboy.

  • SOFAKING

    Wow this site is so funny giving that fat bastard Mexican Joell Ortiz sooo much fuckin’ credit. Just admit it yall niggaz were wrong about him. Dude is weak.

    Pac’s All Eyez on Me is the greatest West Coast Rap CD ever. Pac is one of the greats, most definitely in the Rap/Hip Hop HOF.

  • tra9iCX3

    Billy Sunday is a fucking moran… tell him to start writing on something that he knows shit about, like country music, dumb ass mo-fucca. I can’t believe XXl hires idiots like this to blog on hip hop greats, by the way, WHO the fuc is “Billy Sunday”, sounds like something you buy off an ice cream truck.
    t

    • FlapJack

      ey, tranny, if they made a Makaveli-blow up sex-doll, you’d buy it right?

      • Simple like ABC, 123

        tra9icx3
        (Transsexual 9 Inches Cock x 3) hahaha

  • http://www.myspace.com/galeb_tv Niggarachi Tha Don

    Why you little bloggers from NYC keep on trying to devaluate 2Pac’s importance in history of Hip-Hop and the whole music? Who the hell you think you are??? 2Pac IS the gratest rapper, poet, and actor. He was a great thinker as well, which I think is the most important. So, nothing is going to change that, no matter what. You know what? You all haters are acting like some shitty bitches! You are hating, killing, destructing and devaluating YOUR OWN people! I really can’t figure out why is that!? :(

  • JERZEY

    FIRST OFF BIG UPZ TO Parispolice, NICE POST,
    SECOND OF ALL FUCK BILLY SUNDAY, U COCE HEAD, NIGGA SOUNDZ LIKE HE TOOK LEVEL 4 CLASSES IN SCHOOL. PAC WAS DA GREATEST POINT BLANK, “LETTER TO MY UNBORN CHILD” ALONE SHITZ ON ALL DA TRACKZ ON UR FUCKIN
    LIST DID, SON WHO WAS FUCKIN WIT PAC “NOBODY”. WHEN HE WAS ALIVE ITZ LIKE ALL THE FUCKIN RAPPERZ WENT INTO HIDIN, PAC CALLED ALL THESE NIGGAZ OUT AINT NOBODY RESPONSE BACK, BUT THIS AINT ABOUT HIS BEEF ITZ ABOUT BEIN G.O.A.T. NIGGA WHEN HE SPIT U SHUT THE FUCK UP TO HEAR WHAT HE WAS SAYIN, HE HAD A MESSAGE BEHIND HIS MUSIC, A MOTHAFUCKIN LEADER NIGGA, GO CHECK OUT HIS DOCUMENTRIEZ, SEE HOW MANY NIGGAZ WAS INFLUENCED BY HIM NOT EVEN RAPPIN, JUST BY TALKIN TO THEM ABOUT HIS MOVEMENTZ, THUG LIFE,
    I KNOW ITZ UR OPINION BUT THIS WAT ILL SAY
    “FUCK ALL U PAC HATERZ”

    • that nigga

      @ Jerzey…..

      PAC was a punk, sorry. So I guess that means all the rappers that hid from him were super punks too. If you ever watched that DVD where his friends tell Pac stories. They say It there self that he couldnt fight. Oh big up to Jersey too. We in here nigga.

      • Parispolice

        Billy Sunday created this so we can talk bout it legitimately. Lets not start with fuck y’all niggaz that ain’t down with 213 shit, that’s not going to give any light on the subject.

        I do agree Silky Johnson fully as I was trying to say something like that. It was a different era. The only people in that era that were lyrically above him as far as spitting goes was Busta. Busta can tie knots with speed rapping, word play, and delivery on anyone in the mid 90s. Wu Tang was amazing back than cause it wasn’t lyrics that you’ve heard before. They were kicking knowledge. 2pac was a different breed of “rappers”.

        Even though I’m a huge huge fan of Busta, I barely hear his shit bumping from 10 years ago in a club, where as I hear California Love every god damn minute im a club..

        The eras were different, and the wilt chamberlain metaphor was point blank on the money. 13 years ago, pac ruled. He ruled from Cali with a type of music that wasn’t crossed over yet in NY. If you ever watch him kick some rhymes in a studio off a bootleg video tape on youtube, this guy was the real deal. Where as now we have lil wayne saying he doesn’t write his own shit, whines like a bitch in every song, and you guys want to call him the best rapper alive? LOL

        XXL i expected more i guess…

  • El Tico Loco

    Tupac is one the most respected rappers ever, but not quite most lyrical, he was deep, but not a wordsmith in the sense of the word. Speaking of wordsmith Chino XL went at him pretty hard back then, Pac’s response was ‘ChinoXl fuck you’, that right there let me know, Pac knew how to pick his fights, going after Biggie sorta understand it, Mobb Deep that’s 2 midgets, then talkin about P’s condition low blow (that goes for Game too).

    He was still that dude tho, his pen game just wasn’t all they make it out to be.

  • Parispolice

    BTW, no mentions of DMX at all? Common????!! but no DMX?
    a page from Ron’s book but nigga plz..

  • tyson mike

    first off tupac is the greatest of all time bout did anyone else notice out of all those names he didnt say eminem fuck this dumb motherfucker u know what i aint evan gon this mag anymore. dumb shits

  • Blazin

    u must be a fuckin idiot fuck biggie ….. in case u forgot hit em up is the greatest diss song of all time ( even according to xxl mag )and he wrecked biggie GOAT PAC

  • Detour

    2pac is the best to ever do it. In order to be consider the best you have to change the game. BIG,Nas and Jay are good rappers even great, but com’on now. Pac dissed all of them, had all of them we’re shook, they didnt say nothin. Ever person he diseed still wont say nothin bad about him. on top of that 75 million records sold and you aint gonna have him at the top of the list. Bottom line Pac amde good music you cant deny that he’s the GOAT. Who is going to dis BIG,NAS,Jay and MobbDeep and have them scared to reply. Where was all their lyricism ?

  • http://www.xxlmag.com Gooch

    classic material

  • yoprince

    i’ve always thought pac was overrated.. but this is ridiculous..

    take for example SCARFACE, he will never get the credit of a tupac, so he won’t be overrated like him, but honestly, scarface and pac are on the same level lyrically. Face will just never get hated on cause he’s never been overrated.

    and then you take ppl like redman, big l, pun, fabolous, joell ortiz, fuck it, everyone in the second group and third.. none of them niggas will ever make a single record as good as pac’s best…

    so this one time, i gotta stand up for pac, and say billy, you OD’d

    i mean i know what you’re saying.. pac just wasn’t THAT nice lyrically, but if you’re gonna judge him like that, be consistent… KRS-1, LL, Scarface, Cube, 40, Meth, Treach, Game.. them niggas ain’t THAT nice either, they livin off charisma, personality, and flow as well..

  • these posts are racist

    You’re the most absurd human being on the earth.

    Tupac is the greatest rapper/actor and poet of all time. Period. He’s the best. He’s the greatest rapper…like it or not. At age 25 he produced a body of GREAT work taht will last a life time. 11 years on and you’re still hating on him.

    Think about it. If there was a handicapped guy in a wheelchair, would you need to debate that he cannot run fast? Does anyone ever debate about whether Soulja Boy is better than Jay or Big? No.

    Tupac is an amazing storyteller…party song maker…serious rapper…etc etc. he had it all. RIP, the Goat for sure…Tupac Shakur.

    • AVENGER XL

      First off their is no such thing as a G.O.A.T because it says all time. I.e. the best there ever was the best there ever will be. If he is this to a culture then that would mean hip hop is dead and Nasir jones dust blunt smoking prophecy had weight. But I doubt that. Pac was solid for his Era and good for both the caual listener and the fan who wanted some post NWA R&B hood tales with a sprinkle of revolutionary banter. One of the best poet rapper actors of his time is Saul Williams. Pac was a prolific and expresive entertainer a label A&R’s wet dream. A studio workaholic and great on so many levels but no one is a G.O.A.T. and your top five lists is based on who you came into the game on and your idea of the culture. If you came up Timbo NY rap Pac may not be your flav.

      • these posts are racist

        First off…it’s obvious i’m using “GOAT” in a context and to make a point…not in a literal/scientific absolute sense. Anyone who enters this conversation with good faith understands this…You on the other hand remind of me of a fresh out of prison brother who read a legal book and is all about “the technicality”…son you’re not on my level.

        Saul Williams is amazing…absolutely amazing. But who is “better” or the “best” is such a subjective measure that one cannot have a real “debate”. My hyperbole and usage of words like “best” and “Goat” are in the context of this absurd blog…

        Finally, you’re right, i’m 29 and came up under ‘Pac, so for me, he’s the best…but that proves my point…it’s a subjective measure so I’m right because I say i am. Think young brother.

        • Avenger XL

          No it is not obvious. You as well as I know you have to spell shit out in hip-hop many young cat’s take waynes greatest rapper alive marketing scheme as the gospel. Now I for one understand where you are going I am just tired of the word G.O.A.T being tossed around like the word swag they need to be taken off the table because folks are overdosing on it’s usage.

          I will will start thinking now but only because you told me too. Peace from cell block 4. Now you may return to playing with Toliet BOL

        • these posts are racist

          That’s funny…that comment was a little out of line. I’m just tired of people not giving Pac his due…but we see eye to eye, i think.

  • FYC

    dam niggas theres lotta hate goin on here…first of all Pac is top 5, no matter wat…man Pac had multi classic albums and witout him Biggie wouldnt been heard, remember Pac helped Biggie. also most of the rappers on the list are jus garbage…billy stupidass, is u on acid and crack on the same time or something…seriously dude get off the drugs its fuckin your mind.

    on other note…how the fuck u put Game on the list, who name drops every other fuckin line, wtf is tht…also my nigga Eminem can murk more half half the rappers u put on the list…so why the fuck u didnt put him on the list, his more lyrically than Game by far.

  • http://www.xxlmag.com 615banga

    2pac is the best because not only was he lyrical, he had the best concepts good beats
    and good flow..so all around he was the best
    yes B.I.G. had lyrics too but all around he couldnt really portray a message as good as pac
    .. yeah they were great story tellers but Pac was better..

    Heres the top 10 rappers ever

    1.2pac
    2.B.I.G.
    3.Nas
    4.Jay-Z
    5.Eminem
    6.Scarface
    7.Busta Rhymes
    8.Rakim
    9.Bun B
    10.Snoop Dogg

  • http://www.xxlmag.com 615banga

    oh and one more thing… i like E=40 as much as the next guy does..but to say hes better than pac????… come on now

  • these posts are racist

    Please actually listen to Me Against the World, All Eyez on Me and the Machevelli album in their entirety. Unreal.

  • render

    LOL damn…billy if you get paid off the number of comments and page hits u get…..

    then well played sir…u a diabolical ass nigga

  • Banthem’s Dad

    fuck you banthum, Biggie was a real gangsta. Pac wasn’t no gangsta he was a fuckin black panther nigga what the fuck. Life After Death was the shit how you gonna say that, but fuck what everyone say heres my top 5

    1. Jay-z
    2. Biggie
    3. Rakim
    4. 2pac
    5. NaS

  • http://www.bakerboi.wordpress.com bakerboi

    Ok, OK, for a second there I thought this was an episode of the twilight zone. Billy X you’re a fuckin comedic genius. I mean is this a rough draft you just posted and said fuck it. Oh, OK you trying to get a raise out of people. That’s cool, I can understand not getting a lot of hits on your blog sometime and just going off the top of your head with some crazy shit to get some people to notice your blog. Cool, I mean I’ve done that shit sometime, but for real dogg…. there’s some shit I just wouldn’t say. Let alone say in public or on a public forum. You have lost your playa card with that shit. Wow!!!!!!!!!!!

  • jojo

    The whole point of music, especially hip-hop nowadays, is to listen subjectively. There is always gonna be bias and you can’t reallistically measure who is better than who objectively. People from ’88 will say that Rakim was much better than Jay-Z. People from the west will say Ice Cube was much better than Chuck D. Some will say that Outkast is better than Public Enemy. Quite frankly, who gives a shit.

    People need to stop acting like listening to 2pac’s entire discography will render different opinions. If you like Kool G Rap or 2pac or Nas or Soulja Boy or Charles Hamilton, that is great. The important factor is that they made a difference in your life; Who give’s a shit whether they made a difference in someone else’s?

    • render

      COSIGN

      why the fuck do niggas insist on ranking rappers like this was some competition. This aint a sport, its music…you dont get a trophy for this shit

      Guess what….THERE IS NO GOAT OF RAP

      this aint bball when u can look at MJ’s stats, rings and awards and objectively call him the greatest. Shit, even MJ with all his objective accomplishments aint a unanimous GOAT..my pops still thinks MJ aint got shit on Bill Russell….theres niggas out there that don’t think Big had shit on Rakim

      yall are wasting your time with your top ten lists

  • http://wtf S on my Chest

    Lets put it down to facts shall we and do a little math whilst we are at it:

    Most qouted rapper ever = BIG

    +

    Poll of rappers favorite rappers = BIG appeared in more top fives than anyone

    = GOAT = BIG.

    All facts. Argue away. Your bullshit opinions don’t mean fuck all. – Also fact!

  • http://wtf S on my Chest

    Pac was a good rapper. Not the GOAT by some way. It was about emotion and diversity than lyrical ability. He wasan idle. He was a future blak leader. He was a Malcolm X of his generation it just so happened that his message was rhymed. But pound for pound lyrical rapping ability, there are better dead or alive.

    Sorry. I look forward to the on-slaught.

  • http://wytf S on my Chest

    Last thing. How did he smash a coast when the coast didn’t even bother with him? I’ve never heard anyone say Hit ‘em up was the best diss song of all-time?! If you are trying to avoid beef which is bullshit by not reply does that really mean you’ve lost? I don’t think so. Did damage yes, smashed people No. Getting smashed is watchinng your career disappear in front of your eyes like JA anything else is battling.

  • http://www.xxlmag.com/?p=32236 Zilla

    Damn i knew this type of bullshit would happen eventually but i didn’t expect it to happen so soon. I just was arguing with someone about Jordan being overrated! As time passes its human nature to downplay the past. Now with that i say this, you maybe can argue that Pac’s lyrics were not as flashy as others via big, wayne and other new york style rappers but i terms of a voice FOR YOU he was the greatest ever. He was more then rap/hip hop,
    he as black ppls thoughts and opioions of shit that scared the shit out of world. I would rather have that then listening to shit that really dont even matter. Billy and others that dont get that are swallow and should get off the flash and get some substace. E-40 better then Pac, niggas is crazy in the late 2000′s

  • sthxdnn

    wow it’s insane how much hate there is from you guys…Pac was one of the greatest rappers…in an opinion..dont get mad at it..he;’s my favorite rapper but not cuz of any of his hit songs except SO Many Tears…his Posthumous cds or however its spelled werent that good but Me Against The World was one of the best cd’s ever… and there were a lot more fruity things about pac that yall dont kno but so what..his words were violent and full of anger and emotion or it was just funk without the hip-hop…it was like a poem that u could just listen to..a real story

  • GNixz

    Lets put this plain and simple. 2Pac may not have been a lyrical genious, but “Me Against The World”, “All Eyez On Me”, and “The Don Killuminati” are BETTER albums and have SOLD more albums than most of the rappers on you list. Also, with Pac, it’s not so much the lyrics, its the content. Alot of these lyrical rappers rhyme alot of stuff and use alot of punchlines but they ain’t saying nothing really. Pac’s songs had deep content and they were a movement.

    Therefore- 2Pac=Greatest Rapper of All Time

    Also, comparing Pac to Big or any other lyrical rapper is like comparing MLK to Malcom X; two completely different styles to get the message across

  • Daniel

    “Tupac might could rap better than Febreze.”
    Might could, ?? does that make any sense at all. how about you learn how to speak english before you go throwing around a list like that.

  • Platinum B, da 1st blind rapper aka Makaveli93

    DIS IS SOOO STUPID!!!!…PAC IS DA GRATEST RAPPA OF ALL TIME NO MATTER WUT NO1 SEZ!!!!…PAC’S MUSIC…MOVIEZ…and POETRY IS STILL GETTIN NOTICED…How DARE PEPLE HATE on PAC!!!!…HE WUZ DA VOICE OF HIZ GENERATION??!!…NAW!!!!…HE’s still a voice 4 ALL FUTURE GENERATIONS!!!!…PEPLE who HATE on a LEGEND or da KING of RAP (TUPAC) jus need 2 SHUT DEY HATIN MOUTHS…cause dey dont no nothin bout rap music…and dey dont know nothin at all!!!!….
    THUG LIFE 4 LIFE!!!!!!!!

  • Info by John Doe

    GET DA FUCK OUTTA HERE!!!!!

    WHAT TOOK UR FAVORITE RAPPER TO GET ( CONSIDERED DA G O A T ). WHICH TAKES A GOOD CAREER SPAN TO GET, PAC DID N 7 OR 8 YRS.

    LIFETIME OF SONGS, MOVIES, FEATURES

    BIG HAD WORDPLAY WIT NO SUBSTANCE. WORDPLAY WIT NO SUVSTANCE IS A WASTE OF TIME.
    YOU CAN TELL ITS PURE HATE WHEN U WONT LET DA DEAD RIP. WTF???????

    RIP – TUPAC SHAKUR FUCK HATERS

  • Omar

    Where I’m From niggas argue everyday why these niggas didn’t get at Pac when he dissed them in his bars:

    Biggie, Jay-Z and Nas

  • Platinum B, da 1st blind rapper aka Makaveli93

    Oh yeah…RIP 2 DA KING OF HIP HOP (TUPAC AMARU SHAKUR)…
    THUG LIFE 4 LIFE!!!!!!!!!!

  • Che

    I think you’ll find that tupac was the influence behind a lot of the rappers you listed there. he inspired most of them. if eminem wasn’t such a big tupac fan you wouldn’t even have heard of eminem. personally i think jay-z is a better rapper than tupac. but never have i ever wanted to punch someone in the jaw after listening to a jay-z song whereas ‘hellrazor’ by tupac is another story..

    and i’d just like to remind you that tupac started all these ‘mama’ raps, if it wasn’t for him rappers wouldn’t dare make songs like ‘momma loves me’ – jay-z, ‘hey mama’ – kanye, and that snoop song i forgot its name, and a bunch of others.

    tupac started a lot of trends that made rap music, good rap music that is, what it is today.

    most importantly, at least tupac believed in half the shit he said, unlike rappers that just act hard on their records, or take on a persona in their songs. nas was right when he said hip hop is dead. these days the most important thing about a rap record is the beat.

    this dude actually shot police officers instead of just bragging about it to look hard in front of 13 yr old suburban white kids.

    it’s not just about the lyrics. it’s the person and their personality. or would you suggest that O.J. simpson could’ve become president as long as he’d made the same speeches as Barack Obama?

  • tra9iCX3

    infamouSSX3 south sid3 CARPAS 9TH ST 9AN9 X3 VCLsX3, get it right dumb fuc. Simply HOMO (A)nother (B)I9 (C)ock in your ASS

    • FlapJack

      I drive that way from work all the time..

      You the one that keep matching the haircolor and the pumps?

  • Baby Ballah

    i really thought it’s was a joke!! THE BIGGEST RAP ARTICLE I HAVE EVER READED IN MY ENTIRE FUC***G LIFE!! LIL EASY LIL WAYNE JEEZY AND KANYE????????? HOPE YOU’RE A JUNCKY IF U DON’T YOU GOT NO ESCUSES FOR CRAP LIKE THAT

  • mizeryluvkompany

    WOW!!!! THTS ALL I GOTTA SAY…LOL…
    R U FUCKING RETARDED? PAC WAS AND IS THE BEST FUCKIN RAPPER EVER!!……THS SITE IS GARBAGE.
    U GOT UR HEAD SO FAR UP UR ASS, ALL U CAN HEAR IS SHT!!…LOL…LIKE THE MUSIC U LIKE AND SUPPORT!!!…LOL….FUCK XXL 4 SAYN THS SHT ON PAC! IF HE WAS STILL HERE YALL WOULD WANT AN INTERVIEW EVERY FUCKIN MAG…..LOL…..AND A QUOTEABLE……YALL R NUTS!

  • mizeryluvkompany

    ONE MORE TRHING
    TECH N9NE WOULD KILL OVER HALF THT SHT ASS LIST U GOT!!…LOL…HANDS DOWN, NOBODY RAPPIN 2DAY CAN FUCK WITH TECH N9NE PERIOD

  • Shawn Mack

    That is sum bull shit redman joe budden aint nobody trynna hear that shit. This was the worst blog ever 2Pac is the greatest rapper ever look wat he did 2 biggie on “Hit En Up” and dissin is a NY thing.

  • iamlegend

    Nobody captured ur emotions like Pac who give a fuck about who can come up with the slickest wordplay he made u believe its no comparison.

  • jlc

    this is all really dissrespectful….for real is this just a joke or what….why dont you back up your gay ass post a lil bit BILLY SUNDAY and explain this bullshit post…….
    you got a price on your head right now probably….

    As I approach the scene, from smokin’ green
    Got my eyes closed, niggaz so cold on my foes
    I make em’ die froze
    Watch me make em’ bleed, make em’ G’s
    Lord help me wit’it
    Got me paintin’ pictures of a mil-ticket
    Help me get’it
    See me and pray for options
    but the pressures nonstop
    Niggaz get the pistol poppin’
    And watch they body drop
    I’m a lethal threat, watch me hit your set
    Flash on, blast on them bitch-made niggaz wit’ my mask on
    Do it for profit, plus I’m, lookin for punks to bust on
    If you ain’t screamin’ WestSide, you can get the fuck on
    I’m seein’ demons hittin’ weed
    Got me hearin’ screamin’
    Scared to go to sleep, watch the scene like a dope-fiend
    Probably be punished for it, though you can’t ignore it
    I live the life of a thug nigga, and die for it
    Niggaz pass the clip and watch me bring em to the floor
    I got some shit that they ain’t ready for (What you got?)
    I got the Secretz of War
    ………………………..here is one of my fav tupac lyrics of all time, i cant say one is better than the other, but fuck it this is my opinion and thats all that matters……….i am a tupac stan, proud of it…will be till the day i die…..i still put his songs on every cd i burn…..fuck yall…….

    RIP-Tupac Amaru Shakur(G.O.A.T)

    p.s.- To “S on my chest”…Hit em up was the best diss song ever….you never heard anyone talk bout killin dudes and shit befor that did you? i dont think so, it was the best cuz it changed the way people made diss songs…

  • miles archer

    I was with you till you said E-40.

    E-40?????????????

    Really????????

    Better rapper than Pac??????????

    “And then I realized that there are these rappers who will come to surpass Tupac in lyrical quality like…”

    Joell Ortiz
    Joe Buddens
    Royce da’ 5-9
    Crooked I
    Game
    Saigon
    Fabolous

    Yeah, i’m not co-signing that either. Them guys are aiight but none of them hold my attention long enough(lyrically) for me to actually purchase their product.

    myspace.com/fastlifearchitects

  • jlc

    and here is another one for yall…..dont have to bump this but please RESPECT IT.

    Last year was hard.
    But life goes on.
    Hold my head against the wall.
    Learn the right from wrong.
    They say my ghetto intrumental,
    Dextrimental to kids.
    As if they can’t see the misery in which they live.
    Blame me for the outcome, ban my records.
    Check it. You don’t have to bump this but please respect it.
    I took a minus and now the hard times are behind us.
    Turned into a plus, now they stuck livin blinded.
    Hennessy got me feelin bad. Time to stop drinkin.
    Rollin in my drop top Jag.
    What’s that cops thinkin?
    Sittin in my car watch the stars and smoke.
    I came along way but still I got so far to go.
    Dear mama, don’t worry. I’m a watch for snakes.
    They’ll set you that a lover. But it’s hard today.
    I got the letter that she sent me and I cryed for weeks.
    This one came out when I tryed to speak.
    All I heard was:
    Time goes by
    Puffin on lye
    Hopin that it gets me high
    Got a nigga goin crazy
    I feel crazy

    No one can tell me that this shit dont make you feel something good…even if you dont like pac…you gotta respect everything he ever did….and i still dont know how someone could be so disrespectful to say that he wasnt at least in the top 50? i mean come on dude……..

    • tony grand$

      jlc,
      Ill admit that the verse right there had some emotion to it, but it didn’t make me feel good! That shit was kinda sad & depressing. I don’t think he was trying to convey a good feeling on that joint.

  • Ed-Hova

    Another Pac hater. How do you put Scarface in front of Pac when Pac killed Face on Smile. E-40?? Are you kidding me. Game(Fake ass Pac)??? Common?? Who the hell is Joe Buddens and Joel Ortiz. You didn’t even put Big Daddy Kane or Eminem into the list. NaS in his prime didn’t even want to see Pac, and Hov was a nobody at the time. Who ever wrote that bullshit must look at himself in the mirror wishing he was Pac. In the end Pac sold more records then every rapper in that bullshit list combined. He wasn’t the greatest rapper but he deserves to be in anybodys top ten. THUG LIFE BITCH!!!

  • Victor

    Some of you man are crazy, tooo caught up in Pac’s legacy now i wont go anywhere as far as saying he aint top 50 but he just about scrapes my top 20. Think bout it has he released anything better than Illmatic? Liquid Swords? or death certificate? The answer, honestly is nah.

    Me against the world and the Makaveli albums come closest but dude wasnt infallible. BIG was a FAR better lyricists and i dunno what some of you lot are on but Ready to die, for so many purely rap reasons is better than anything pac has released. Pac had emotion etc. yeah but so does mos def and niggaz dont call him the greatest.

    Yeah i can see what ppl mean but Pac like wayne was blown up so big because of his crossover appeal to the gangsters and the intellectual niggas. Though i dont agree with BXS fully he defo has a point, just cos Black Thought hasnt invited controversy surely people i wont deny he is one of the best to ever do it? He has put out a catalogue with releases superior to what pac has done but he just aint popular to support.

    I used to buy into the whole pac is the greatest thing when i was young but when you listen to more and more rap can you honestly argue he is a better emcee than Pharoah monch or redman? Some of you might not like these breddas style but you CANT knock their mic skills and to me when talkin of greatest emcees you have to have the whole package and Pac definitely isnt the greatest all rounder; he had the greatest appeal but that dont make you No1.

  • Dexta

    I just want to ask Mr. Billy Sunday if he ever made nearly as much money as Pac did in his short career, ever had as many hits or is even known by anyone who’s never visited this website?
    How the hell are you going to leave Pac out the top 5?

  • B.L.

    thank u finally sumbody else agrees i never thought pac had any skill he just a past lil wayne thats it they both wack and really pac has one or two great songs

  • amar

    if ur talking best lyricst, i agree

    if ur talking best rapper, he had a lotta other things going for him that put him in the top 50, but towards the end of the list

    and as fresh as tupac was, nobody’s fresher than febreze. Nobody.

  • Derek

    are you joking? pac is the greatest of all time period.

    -Pac
    -Biggie
    -Jay-Z
    -Eminem
    -Common

  • TheWestcoastArab

    You Dumb F***s don’t seem to get that pac wasn’t just a rapper…he was a songwriter like eminem and dre. they plan out the song concepts and every detail of the song. also, fuck wordplay when you got meaningful deep lines like “Even worse am black, my stomach hurts so am looking for a purse to snatch” wich is not only deep but he used a lot of compound syllables like em and jay(used to)

    look when it comes to just rapping about how dope of an MC you are ok fine…rakim and big can have that…but when it comes to moving the spirit of not just a country…but the entire world…nobody will ever do it the way pac did simple as that.

  • TheWestcoastArab

    Oh and one more thing…for all of you saying he was the lil wayne of his time…you must be twelve or younger i mean seriously thats such a dumb statement.you also have to look at the impact he made on hip hop…he made hip hop bigger than ever and if you noticed it wasn’t till he died that rap started to go down hill. heres the fuckin list point blank top ten no order

    2pac
    Big
    Eminem
    Rakim
    Jayz
    Nas
    Ice Cube
    jadakiss
    Andre 3k
    Big L

  • yrain1

    I think when niggas die that gives niggas permission to legally jump on niggas dicks. (no homo) With that being said Biggie aint nowhere near as cold as people say he was and the whole coloum shouldve been wrote about big. His 2 little albums aint touchin Pacs first 2 or Jays for that matter. But anyway this Pac shit is a shameless plow to get people to make comments cause that was the TOP 5 dumbest statements I heard in my Life. 4 real word up real talk. And if another muthafucka puts Nas over Jay Im smack the shit outta somebody Line up they 1st 7 CD’s and see who wins. Nas owes Jay his fuckin life he gave him life when niggas forgot u MC’d. It should go like this.

    PAC
    JAY
    BIG
    NAS or EM
    RAKIM Or Scarface

    but the top 3 off top.

  • The Last Hope

    I love how people are talking shit about XXL’s website, yet they are still on it. if you think XXL is “garbage” then get the fuck outta here.

    cosign jojo…theres no point behind all this GOAT talk. just enjoy music and the artists, you dont have to get all pissed off cuz someone doesnt love ur favorite rapper.

    • Jonsey

      I agree. I guess there’s no point on arguring other peoples opinions i still don’t see how Pac couldn’t be on someone’s top 50.

  • Pierzy

    What’s good Billy… Sorry I’m late on this. Since I’m so popular, I got tapped for jury duty in a civil trial and I’ve been in court the past two days and it’s nowhere near over.

    Anyway, I half agree with you – some of Pac’s lyrics aren’t all that and he has repeated himself multiple times, but on the other hand it is not just about lyrics. If it were all about just the lyrics, Immortal Technique, Canibus, etc would be the GOATs…

  • http://xxlmag.com Billy X. Sunday

    I value MCs that can move crowds. Soulja Boy is the current Tupac. He makes an audience do the ‘Superman ‘dat Ho’.

    I think that Tupac was a smart entertainer who grasped the idea of media manipulation and he decided to run with his character.

    What if all the Tupac albums released after his death were fakes? What if this dude was being mimicked by another rapper because the franchise of Tupac was too valuable?

    Just the simple fact that there are sooooo many rappers not on the above list puts Tupac OUT of the Top 50 conversation. ‘Pac loses.

  • iGotOnMyBackpack79

    why is Big L on all y’all NYC niggas top ten list? dude was good but damn! the man made one album and he’s on the top ten list? FOH! Common and Big Pun ain’t in the top ten either. Top 20, yes but not the top 10. your list is suspect anyway because you didn’t mention MC Ricky D (Slick Rick) at all. the fuck is you smoking fam?!!?!

    • amar

      big l’s freestyles and unreleased shit was good too

  • Jonsey

    Are You Serious!?! this is the the crappy list i’ve ever seen. I’m not saying i thing Tupac was the best rapper alive but u can’t seriously think Lil wayne is better than Pac There’s so many rapper i would never put ahead of Pac…

  • jojo

    Just a few more random comments I got to get off my chest after reading some of the above posts.

    1.) 2pac was not Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, nor was he truly a uniting figure. MLK and Brother Malcolm died in pursuit of a dream. Pac got killed after dispute over a fucking chain. If a political comparison needs to be made, he’s either Mayor Kilpatrick or Michael X(go to wikipedia or watch THE BANK JOB)

    2.) I will not attempt to construct a top 50 list nor will I bitch about rappers not even mentioned in any postsQ-TIP Q-TIP Q-TIPbut I think it’s worth mentioning that if a list has to be constructed, certain things should be included:

    Influential
    Lyrical Ability
    Flow
    Stage presence/Charisma
    Innovative

    and perhaps the most diabolical tool to measure greatness, ALBUM SALES.

    I’m sure many would contend that based on this logic, MC Hammer is a much better artist than Big L. That is not the case. It’s simple: Chips matter in the NBA, in Hollywood, and every other form of entertainment medium, so it should not be discluded in Hip-hop. 2pac sold more albums than most on the list, so it would be unethical to leave him off the list of top 50, more importantly, he might deserve a spot in the top 5

    Another thing to note>>>

    People always rag on Shaq being the greatest center ever. The arguments are always the same: If he wasn’t as big or tall as he was, he wouldn’t be that great. That may be true, but it STILL counts. The fact that he was tall and big helped win him chips. 2pac’s attitude, supermanning that hoe, and media manipulation has to count for something, and 10+ years after his death, its apparent that it has counted

  • Tommy

    billy sunday is a gay.

  • http://xxlmag.com Billy X. Sunday

    Selling records is not winning a championship. Selling records is selling records.

    I apologize if I am ruining the myth from your childhood but there are at least a hundred rappers who are lyrically superior to Tupac.

    The fact that Tupac had media coverage to help you watch him spiral downward doesn’t qualify him as a great rapper.

    If anything, Tupac was the GOAT emotional rapper. If Tupac had used autotune he would be Yeezy but he didn’t and that is why Yeezy is better.

  • Biz

    Fuck you billy! you made me click that Febreze link now I am sure you gonna collect residuals in some blog/adword/hookup kinda deal!

    Fucks

  • Ali

    Why do all of you criticize Pac by saying “he’s only great cuz the emotion, the passion, the thought-provoking stuff”…why?

    Wordplay is not THAT important if ur not talkin about SHIT!!!

    What I’m tryna say is nobody’s saying he’s great for any other reason! I like the gangster Pac, but compared to other gangster rap its not the best, just up there…..but the other side of Pac can hands down smash on anyone not named Rakim…..and here’s a lil controversy 4 ya too, Ra is the best rapper of all time….but when it comes to that emotional stuff, Pac wins!

  • Nino

    Who tha fuck is Billy Sunday, i can believe this faggot ass nigga had the audacity to write some disrespectful shit like that, go do your research and then post something worth to be read you litlle soulja Boy fan nigga. ,

  • Nino

    Who tha fuck is Billy Sunday, i can’t believe this faggot ass nigga had the audacity to write some disrespectful shit like that, go do your research and then post something worth to be read you little Soulja Boy fan nigga. ,

  • marz

    THIS IS SOME TRUE HATER BULLSHIT…. ANYBODY WHO KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT HIP HOP KNOWS TUPAC IS THE MATHAFUCKING TRUTH…

    DAMN NEAR EVERY ALBUM WAS A CLASSIC. 2PACALYPSE, ME AGIANST, MAKEVELI, ALL EYES, FOR SURE..

    HE STILL HAS VERSES TO THIS DAY THAT ARE TIMELESS. KESHIA COLE GOT A SONG WITH PAC OUT RIGHT KNOW.

    TUPAC WAS A SUPERLYRICAL EMCEES. IT’S JUST HIS SUBJECT MATTER WAS REAL LIFE AND NOT ASSEMBLIES AND METAPHORES… BUT HE HAD MUTI – SYLIBLE RYHMES AND AND CRAZY FLOW… HIS ” SWAGGER” WAS OF THE CHARTS…. AND HE WAS SMART…

    REMEMBER. HE WAS 25 WHEN HE DIED…. ALL THAT BEFORE 25….

    ALL EYES SOLD 6 MILLION. MAKAVELI SOLD LIKE 5 MILLION.

    PAC CALLED OUT EVERYBODY AND NOBODY RESPONDED. THAT’S RESPECT

    TUPAC SHAKUR YOU’RE FAV RAPPER’S FAV RAPPER..

  • Ed-Hova

    If someone had a top 50 writers list would Billy “The Hater” Sunday be even thought of?? Would he write that crap if Pac was still alive?? Why not write about Jay-Z, would he be where he is today if Biggie were still alive? How about NaS, the man had to change his style to sell a record, and if it weren’t for Hov beefing with him back in 2001, the boy would have faded into the dark. How about Lil Wayne, the man has been around since the late 90′s and he’s now blowing up I guess he had to go and hang out in Harlem and steal the Dipsets flow, he even stole 50 Cents idea on the mixtape scene. Billy Sunday please know that hating is a weak emotion. Go home tonight download Me Against the World, All Eyez On Me, or the 7 Day Theory, sit down, relax and listen to Only God Judge Me, White Mans World, Krazy, Me Against the World, So Many Tears, Can’t See Me, and so many other classics. Then look up at the sky and aplogize to man that could bag your chick any day of the week…dead or alive.

  • Wallman

    Where the fuck is shady? ure all so fuckin hooked up on this shit that underground is so much better then mainstream(sure lil wayne and that shit suck but)u fail, beacuse if these underground rappers are so good HOWCOME they dont sell shit? Answer that…And u cant say that Em doesnt have complicated lyrics and shit, And wtf is it about that PAc isnt even on top 50? WTF???! u stupid hes top three, d only rapper with a message…This blog is…EPIC FAIL

  • http://www.myspace.com/sinistahmoneybagz Sinistah aka 7Body Sin

    Peace Billy X Allah,

    your Tupac outrage has caused you about 135 prior comments, good work and may peace be unto you!

    • tony grand$

      Daaaaamn Sunday, u might have created the ‘blog’ heard round the world. Excelsior! Admit it tho, u gotta love how niggas started attackin ur ass when they got tired of defending/condemnin ‘Pac!!

      I had a hella comment, but I aint waitin in line just to say sumn that’s gonna rile some nigga up, then spend 45 mins defendin an opinion that’ll only last as long as the post is up……

      Shit, niggas gon fall asleep b4 they even get all the way down here, so I can pretty much say wtf I want, huh?

      Anyhoo, see u on the flipside, juice!

      ¤Yeah, I showed luv, its aight to smile nigga¤

  • NOLA2727

    Eminem is a good rapper.To say Tupac is overrated is crazy .Eminem’s rhyme style is what carries him . HE could say next to nothing and people go crazy .Im not saying he does have any substance,but alot of his shit is for shock value,like talking about his mom and his girl Kim or his daughter. Name me one Eminem album he put out that he never talked about these three people.I doubt you can name one.Tupac had way more substance than Shady.To not put him on the list was stupid.Scarface is in my top 5 period.Face been doing it longer than Pac and Big.

  • http://wtf S on my Chest

    jlc – Interesting…….sounds lie the name of a girl band. That is up for debate. I think there were alot more intricate and much more clever diss songs. That diss song had venom but how much substance did it have? It was a very good diss song and probably pioneering, it influenced a lot of future diss songs but the greatest ever? I very much doubt it.

    I notice how you argued something that wasn’t build upon fact just opinion (The diss song), but did say shit about my facts. You and I know you can’t argue with them.

  • FlapJack

    Matter of fact, fuck KRS-One too.
    Dude is a walking joke. Nobody cares what you have to say.
    Give Scott La Rock his due, and shut the fuck up.

    10% classic, 90% shitting your pant, don’t make you goat status

  • Khan

    this dude is dumb and this should never be see again. You are no longer(if you ever were) legit, B. sunday.