When If Is A Fifth…

So do you humps finally agree with me that DipSet is finished? Juelz Santana has pretty much put the nail in the coffin of the movement. And to think about it clearly, Juelz WAS the movement. I remember when I was checking for DipSet heavy in 2002-2003. The Diplomats had the sickest mixtape game on the streets. They were hotter than Fifty Cent here in New York City. The real buzz was around Cam’Ron’s younger protégé. I was lucky enough to have a writing assignment for a fledgling magazine. The pay was typical print mag shit but I was all about enjoying the industry access that I had in the early to mid-nineties so I didn’t particularly care about money. Plus I was living in my parent’s basement.

I had an interview with the Dips at their offices in the Universal Music Group headquarters in midtown Manhattan. There was a banana head amount of security that you have to go through in order to get into the upstairs offices. I don’t imagine that you have to go through that kind of detail in order to see the president of the United States. I finally make it to the UMG/Rocafella offices and then I wait for the Dips to come from another press junket. When they arrive back in the offices I am ushered into a conference room where the interview will be conducted. Unfortunately Cam won’t be coming in. I get Jim Jones, Freaky Zekey and this dude that looks to be Santana’s older brother.

I thought dude was Juelz’ older brother because he was obviously older than the teenage rapper. I figured that Juelz put his older brother on to manage his weed stash and hang out with the fellas. I knew sonn was old because his hands were madd craggy. If you want to tell how old someone is you should look at their hands. Janet Jackson stay on some twenty year old shit until I get a glimpse of her old worned out knuckles. But I digress… Sonn looked like a dude in his thirties, easy. I had to pick my face up off the floor when I realized that this old hands dude was really Juelz. The good thing for me was that I was really a fan of dude’s style so I was able to ask him some dope questions about his transformation into a rap superstar. The lesson I learned is that even if someone looks old in real life be ready to go in from the vantage point of a fan of their art and not someone who can’t handle the view when the veil of the entertainment industry is lifted.

I was fucking with the Diplomats so hard that I created a music video treatment for the song ‘DipSet Anthem’. It was on some old western outlaw theme and the Dips rode into Harlem over the 145th Street bridge on flagged up horses. It was gonna be crazy. The editor in chief of this magazine was a dude that was connected to this wildly popular morning radio show here in NYC. I thought this cat was the dude that was going to put my visions before the masses. Sonn was only a slick talking hustler. Reminds me of a line my grandfather said, “Never trust a Black man without a moustache.” I never got to fuck with the Diplomats after that interview and I have only watched their movement deteriorate like sand getting swept away from a beach. No Heatmakerz, no Juelz, no more DipSet.

These dudes could have had it all.

  • deezhul

    1st

  • og bobby j

    I was never a huge dipset fan…mainly becuase I think Cam fell off so hard from the COTC days…. But I agree they had the city buzzin. I saw them at a concert at the garden and it was aight. Just asking, but does this go on 50′s resume as another movement derailed? or just a coincidence?

    • that dude

      HAHAHAHA!!!! I dont like Fif or Dip Shits but for the sake of just being an asshole that both of these assholes are. Chlk this one up to Fif too. Fuck It.

  • EL DA BOSS PLAYA

    1st gotz to say live blog sensimilia pour out a little liquor fo the mighty dip dip dipsetttttttttt

    BALLINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

  • http://myspace.com/kacejones Kace Jones

    The sad thing is,im from Louisiana and before we had the “Boosies,Webbies,Hurricanes(sigh)….me and all my homebois would easily burn a whole in dipset mixtape,cd,etc..from playing em so much…if i could only go back 2 da late 90″s early 00″s…I’d probably be a whole lot happier,,,”Hip Hop Really Is Dying”….this shit is not a game,,,
    Kace Jones-RIP Dipset

  • Neil

    Good choice, one of the most underrated rap songs of all time

  • http://hiphoponmymind.blogspot.com DJ Daddy Mack

    GREAT POST BILLY. I AGREE WITH YOU THAT THE DIPS ARE OVER AND JUELZ IS THE BEST OF THEM ALL. Santana’s Town WAS THE SHIT. I’M WATCHING THE VIDEO NOW!!! LOL.

  • Moniker

    The Dips were on top of the game and then they became the joke of the rap industry all within around three years.

    That beat knocks hard.

  • Jordany

    Roc-A-Fella Records (2001/2004)

    2001
    DJ Clue – The Prfessional 2
    Beanie Sigel – The Solution
    Jay-Z – The Blueprint

    2002

    State Property
    Jay-Z & R. Kelly – The Best Of Both Worlds
    Cam’Ron – Come Home With Me
    Jay-Z – The Blueprint 2 The Gift & The Curse
    Dame Dash Presents – The Dream Team

    2003

    Freeway – Free At Last
    Cam’Ron Presents The Diplomats – Diplomatic Immunity
    State Property Presents – The Chain Gang Vol. 2
    Juelz Santana – From Me To U
    Jay-Z – The Black Album
    Memphis Bleek – M.A.D.E.

    2004

    Twista – Kamikaze (not a Roc-A Fella release but, he was reppin’ the movement)
    Kanye West – The College Dropout
    Young Gunz – Tough Luv
    Cam’Ron – Purple Haze

  • Worley

    No doubt. Dips were on some ignorant sh*t but their beats were crazy. These dudes had it at the time.

  • http://www.myspace.com/sogentllc LowEndofDaChi

    The perfect eulogy for Dipset.

    I wanted them niggas to win, too.

    *Poors out a lil’ bit of Remy*

  • INF

    No Lie, whether you liked them or hated them especially in NY, you had no choice but 2 twist your fingers into that sign they do and bang there joints they had a MAJOR movement.

  • moresickaMC

    Lesson: Don’t go against 50 Cent…hes too strong right now.

  • http://xxl Sho Nuff

    the dip shits sucked but their beats banged

  • I REIGN SUPREME

    Camron was Dipset, he was the leader and the MOVEMENT. LOYALTY messed them dudes up. They had no loyalty to Cam. Cam put all them dudes in the game. Jim jones use to be FLAVA FLAV – a hype man. Know he gassed cuz he getting a little paper. That’s why you have to watch the dudes you hang around, alot of dudes be like chicks looker for the next thing bigger – NO LOYALTY, which means NO CHARACTER. Big shout out to CAM’RON AKA RICO!!! Keep ya head up fam and big shout out to DAMON DASH!!!

  • Pierzy

    Cam’s got skills but DipSet was mostly garbage. Even from the East Coast, I wasn’t feeling Juelz all that much….. Either way, the “MOVEMENT” has hit a brick wall and fallen apart.

  • Gman

    50 didnt do shit to the dips. THEY DID IT THEMSELVES. I MOSTLY BLAME JIM JONES HE HAD ONE HOT RECORD AND THINKS HES KING SHIT. JIM AINT GOING TO BE SHIT WITHOUT CAM. AND I HATE TO SAY IT CAM WONT BE AS STRONG WITHOUT JIM. BUT IF THEY COME TOGETHER THEY WILL BE A FORCE. YOU HARDLY EVER SAW DIPSET ON TV IT WAS MOSTLY INTERNET AND THEY WERE BIGGER THEN G UNIT

  • http://groups.google.com/group/3d-screensavers/web/1 zxevil137

    ULJZQY r u crazzy? I told u! I can’t read!

  • Maddolies

    This is a sad day 4 me personally.
    Jim Jones Can suck a dik.
    He had one Hit and he thinks hez superman all of a sudden. Fuck him and his average lyrics. Hows he gna succeed without Max B or 40 Cal Writin his lyrics 4 him?
    Cam’s Gna bounce bak strong from dis.

  • http://www.theunderwriters.blogspot.com THE UNDERWRITER

    Fuck it…

    Cam’s my favorite rapper. He’s nowhere near the best, but nobody says the shit he’s willing to say, and he goes extra far with his.

    Example:

    “Ma, your pussy stink.
    It been under siege.
    Here’s a douche bag,
    Hot rag; Summer’s Eve.
    Yes a hot bath –
    Run, run, run it, please!
    You hummin’, geez!
    Through your dungarees.”

    Yo I almost pole wrapped the Regal when I first heard that shit. And that was off Killa Season. He’s the original black Eminem, without the versatility or range. But he still says some classic shit, like, “Gave her a Sanchez; yes, a dirty one.”

    Or, “I get head with the lights on, lights out… I used to drop Lewinsky off at the White House.”

    Or, “What you want, Ma? Waffle House? IHOP? Well put your head in my lap; meet Cyclops.”

    Cam is a comedian with a rhyme scheme. He needs his own TV show, but that would be too ill. But Dipset as we know it is dead as fuck. I think Juelz and Jimmy are doomed without him.

  • Maddolies

    Co-Sign Wit Underwriter. The Sitt Cam Spit Is Crazy sumtymes. Ive had 2 rewind sum of his song in share laughter wit a reaction like “Did he jus say dat?”

  • EReal

    Damn,

    Just make sure you get Cam’s fuckin pool in the back.

    LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

    CheW-LooZe!

  • Maddolies

    ^^^^
    Fagget

  • http://www.theunderwriters.blogspot.com THE UNDERWRITER

    I know that’s not me Maddolies is speaking to, so I won’t trip.