Birthday Girl > Lollipop

Here’s the Village Voice’s Tom Breihan on “Birthday Girl” vs. “Lollipop,” in a post the other day about the new Roots album, Rising Down, which I guess the Roots have been strategically sending out to writers who wouldn’t know from good music.

When I wrote about Lil Wayne’s “Lollipop” a couple of days ago, a few people in the comments section compared the track unfavorably to “Birthday Girl.” I don’t see it. They’re both crossover attempts, but “Lollipop” is Wayne’s shot at engaging the changing pop climate on his own terms, while “Birthday Girl” is aimed at some imagined audience that probably doesn’t exist; not even the Gym Class Heroes could get away with this bullshit.

Hmm…

As usual, I’m not sure if I agree with Tom Breihan.

I should preface this post by noting that there probably isn’t a single solitary Lil’ Wayne song that I like more than even the worst Roots song (which might not even be “Birthday Girl,” though I’m not sure what else it would be). So you could say I’m a little bit biased in that regard. I’m the kind of elitist bastard who finds boring quote-unquote real hip-hop way better than exciting LCD rap.

That being said, I feel pretty confident in saying that “Birthday Girl” > “Lollipop.” In fact, I’ll go you one further: All sorts of bad things > “Lollipop.”

To me, “Birthday Girl” isn’t as god-awful as it is kinda lame. I think most people’s objection to it had more so to do with principle than anything else. They didn’t like the fact that it’s such a blatant crossover attempt. Personally, I could give a rat’s ass about principle. It could have just as easily been Cody ChestNUTS on the hook rather than the kid from Fall Out Boy, a la “The Seed 2.0,” and it still would have been kinda gay. It’s just plain not as good a song as “The Seed 2.0.” If it was, it wouldn’t bother me that it was their big Gym Class Heroes move in the least bit. I’m open-minded like that.

“Lollipop,” on the other hand, is just fucking awful. It’s like, if somebody managed to distill everything that’s awful about Lil’ Wayne (i.e. pretty much everything) and everything that’s awful about T-Pain (i.e., again, pretty much everything) and combine the two into one big shit sandwich that somehow manages to be even worse than probably anything either of those two has done to date. It fails both as a rap song and as an R&B song – with the latter being especially devastating, in that the guy’s singing into a motherfucking computer. I though AutoTune was supposed to be able to make anyone sound good.

As far as the argument that the Lil’ Wayne record is better than the Roots one, because at least Lil’ Wayne is trying cross over on his own terms, well, I’m not sure if I’m buying that either. Teh ghey though it may be, “Birthday Girl” is hardly the first thing the Roots have done that I find to be a little bit fruity. It might have seemed that way to some of the more hardcore Roots stans on the Internets, but I’m sure a lot of that can be attributed to the kind of Jena High School-style race issues you tend to find with the okayplayer set.

Meanwhile, I thought Lil’ Wayne was supposed to be uncompromising when it came to his ridonkulous logorrhea, and his commitment to drinking cough syrup and what have you. I thought that was one of the reasons why people who like to pretend that he’s a good rapper did so in the first place. Listening to “Lollipop,” it’s obvious to me that a) Lil’ Wayne is completely at a loss for coming up with a rap song that people could actually like, as evidenced by the Leak; and b) this is his sad, desperate attempt at ripping off T-Pain.

At least the Roots got the actual crack-ass cracka from Fall Out Boy.

  • The Coldest

    First

    Roots still do music?

    • Cinsere

      Selling out the likes of Radio City Music Hall would point to YES!

      Dumbass.

  • HOLLYWOOD P

    I HATE WHEN NIGGAS SAY FIRST

  • PURPLE HULK

    1ST

    • PURPLE HULK

      WTF
      I WAS FUCKING FIRST, I WAS ORIGINALLY, I CAME INTO THIS BLOG AFTERWARDS, AND SAW THAT I WAS FIRST, NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN THESE 2 FAGGOTS ARE AHEAD OF ME, THATS SOME BS.
      WHOS BEHIND THIS SHIT, ROBBING ME OF MY 1ST’S, THEYRE GOING TO HAVE HELL TO PAY.

      • You didnt know?

        First sayers are with the gays.

  • thee truth

    the only reason why you even mentioned AIDS is because of that South Park episode from last week. (3/11/08)

  • VRWC

    Nah, otherwise the Roots would’ve strategically sent the album to you.

  • bookmzz

    Who the fuck cares? Foreal…….Foreal Bol. Find something real to hate on…Foreal.

    • mrvizcarrondo

      I just started reading this dude, and Im glad that he’s stuck bloggin and not takin up XXL pages…

  • Fin

    I really don’t see what all the fuss is about birthday girl, it’s a fun take on a semi-serious subject. As for lollipop, I actually like Wayne and I think this is one of his worst songs ever.

    There is no comparison, Wayne’s song is a radio-friendly single and the Roots’ song is just different. Who are they crossing over to? I’m sure more white people buy Roots records anyway, they don’t have to pander. These rap nerds need to get a life.

  • kevin

    Here’s my take. For one, Lil’ Wayne is far more talented than “The Roots”, which the name just sounds stupid. Lil’ Wayne has successfully branched out to music that appeals to several genre’s and several types of people. “Lollipop” is tight. You’re denying it because you have a lisp, do absolutely nothing but rant on about bullshit on XLLMag.Com, the only place where you have any credentials, or friends at that. It’s almost guaranteed that The Carter III will be highly successful and there will be excellent tracks on the album. Sure, I believe that Wayne’s style back in the day (Carter 1/2) is a lot more catching and skilled than today. But, “The Leak” just goes to show you that he can make hit songs that don’t have to be about the everyday faggot shit modern rappers talk about. Quit hating fatty cake.

    • og bobby j

      son…i fucks with wayne (no homo) but you are outa pocket with that “lollipop is tight” comment. Also…saying wayne is more talented then the roots is felonious….black thought could merk wayne lyrically….not hatin…but not fakin either.

    • Cinsere

      OMFG!!!!

      More talented?! FAR more talented?!?!!

      OMFG!!!!

      Your on the same drugs HE’s on!

    • ?

      What kind of drugs are you smoking, kevin? You should get your ass into rehab. As a fan of both Lil Wayne and The Roots, every MC that has been with The Roots is better than Lil Wayne, as far as subject matter and talent. Tha Leak is also ass. With that said, Tha Carter I and II are good albums. At least you know that Wayne sucks now compared to what he used to be.

      But still, “Lollipop” and “Birthday Girl” are two of the shittiest rap songs I’ve ever heard. It’s sad that shit like this is being made and released as singles, more people need to start making good music.

      • starboy

        nice try

    • Obskure Starr

      what a sad response u gave out kevin. obviously u are in denial. come on man, seriously? u just riding the band-wagon of “lil wayne is the best rapper alive”. and how is Lil Gay gonna be more talented than The Roots? have you even bothered reading their lyrics or what their music is about? i doubt you’ve even seen their album line-up. in the mean time, go drool over a picture of wayne kissing baby.

  • Calibud

    Lollipops gettin more reviews than radio spins. Shits tearin the blog-waves up.

  • The Kanadian(Rick Jones main Homey)

    First in all Caps! Surprise surprise!
    You the man Purple Guy!

  • jonathan

    and this nigga is such a faggot anyway! fuck that little fucking weazle motherfucka! they gonna put that nigga under the jail when im done with him! trust me homey! goodluck you little faggot motherfucka! goodluck!

  • Tyler

    Yea’ man ^^^^^^^^^^^ up top I agee. The Roots suck nomatter how U slice it. So 2 put them up against Wayne only means that they gotta whole lotta catching up 2 do. Even tho’ that one joint they had with Cody ChestNUTS was hot as fuck and it was cross over if u ask me U dumb fuck BoL. . Yea’ the Wayne joint Lollipop is terrible 4 real. I can’t believe with all these haters out here on him that he would do a song about suckin on something. .ya’ dig. But that joint that he got right now called “Millie” takes away all his sins cause that shit is pure fire. Something the Roots will never have.

  • HIP HOP 101

    I REALLY DON’T PAY ATTENTION TOO NONE OF THE BLOGGERS AND THEIR OWN INTERPERTATIONS OF SONGS ON THIS SITE. BY FAR JUST IN CASE YOU DON’T KNOW THE ROOTS HAVE A FAR WAY SUPERIOR MC IN BLACK THOUGHT AND A PRETTY GOOD FUCKING DRUMMER IN QUESTLOVE. WHOEVER MADE THAT COMMENT THAT WAYNE IS BETTER THAN THE ROOTS SHOULD JUST SHOOT HIMSELF IN THE FOOT FOR SAYING THAT. ROOTS WANTED TO MAKE A DIFFERENT SONG SO WHY THE HATING?????. REAL HIP HOP NEEDS TO STAND THE FUCK UP I AM TIRED OF ALL THIS BULLSHIT WE HERE NOW DAYS ITS GIMMICKY AND IT SUCKS. JUST MY THOUGHT BUT WHO CARES.

  • http://xxlmag.com Kane Corleone

    Yea they’re regulatin on the comments now.fuck you honky ,pm that address and we’ll see whats what pussy.typical white fuck talk shit get punched in the face and start bleedin like Jerry Cooney .ask that white whore of a mother why the 6stars and bars .@ ease faggot

    • The Kanadian

      Jonathan or Kane Corleone or whatever personality you are today! Please go back on your meds!(internet thuggin’ is not hot) Threatening people over the net is Wack son. This is a public forum where people post their opinions on the above posted blog! You never have anything good to say, just a bunch of Gansta Posturing that makes you look like a goof with a capital OOF! And chill with that Honky $#!T you don’t know what buddy’s background is, and even if you did it has no bearing on any of your arguments. It just makes you Look Racist on top of incredibly stupid. Oh an’ you aint a 6 star anything chump, ‘cept maybe a 6 star Wanker Punk!
      1153 Queen St. West Apt. 205(come get me)
      do something Punk!

    • og bobby j

      lmoa at KANE…pulled your hoe card faggot…..chump.

  • zacreole

    The worst Roots song is “Everybody’s a Star” (or whatever) from the “Tipping Point” album.

    • Cinsere

      Noooo wayyyyy. That’s my JOINT right there!

      “Birthday Girl” probably will go down as their worst song ever. But listening to the title track “Rising Down” will just make you forget all about it.

  • http://hiphoponmymind.blogspot.com DJ Daddy Mack

    BOL, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING U SAID. THE ROOTS>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>LIL WANG

    YA CATS NEED TO STOP SUCKING WEEZY OFF.

  • fade

    birthday girl > anything wang has done in his entire lifespan..

  • http://www.xxl.xom vincent

    Tyler and Kevin u both must be suburban white kids under 18 or a bunch of dickheads from the south. How can u say the roots dont have any fire. They won ‘best album of the year award’ back in 96. When did wayne win an album of the year award?!Now i must admit that wayne is more versatile, but to say that the roots have no fire or talent is absurd. Oh and jAY Z still is the most versatile and greatest rapper to ever grace the mic.

  • Tray

    Go DJ is better than most of the songs the Roots have ever made (and even you, Bol, admitted that Carter 2 was pretty good), but yes, Birthday Girl is way better than Lollipop. One’s a real song, the other, it wouldn’t surprise me if Wayne’s dead and that’s really just some crackhead pretending to be him. Oh wait, Wayne is a crackhead.

  • Kornphlake

    You are dumb.

  • daz_oc

    I cant believe that you mu’fuckas have the nerve to say wayne if better than the roots. just cuz wayne is popular at the moment does not make him better. how many niggas have we seen thats hot then fall off the face of the earth. as OG bobby j said Black thought would lyrically MURDER wayne. MURDER MU’FUCKAS MURDER!!!!!

  • travelinprophet

    Kevin and the other douche saying what you said about The Roots just leaves me and other real hip-hop fans speechless. You are sad people and you kind of freak me out with your obvious attempt of sounding intelligent about music, in which you have no intelligence. You are two really dumb bastards. Go fuck yourself.

    sharin in the groove

  • travelinprophet

    My god stop with the lil wang talk being better than the roots. GO DJ??? Are you fucking serious. That’s just gross. Listen to “The Web” off The Tippin Point. And that’s just cuz its new and yall young mufuckas would know where to get that. Lil chumps. Stop talking. That just got revoked.

    sharin in the groove

    Push! Montana, check for that dude. he on point

  • LC

    Both songs suck – congratulations on wasting 600+ words on debating which song out of the two sucked more

  • Ali

    that was a useless post….no shit Birthday Girl > Lollipop

    EVERY RAP SONG EVER MADE >Lollipop

    u can’t be serious, ur actually making a case for ur statement??? all u had to say was what was shown on the title lol…..Carter 2 was good I liked it, but thats it

  • Tyler

    Repeat one song that Black Thoughtless got off on? Repeat one of his hot verses line 4 line. . and don’t hurt your brain tryin’ 2 think up one either.

    • E

      “The principles of true hip-hop have been forsaken
      It’s all contractual and about money makin
      Pretend-to-be cats don’t seem to know they limitation
      Exact replication and false representation
      You wanna be a man, then stand your own
      To MC requires skills, I demand some shown
      I let the frauds keep frontin
      And roam like a celluar phone far from home
      Givin crowds what they wantin
      Offical hip-hop consumption, the 5th thumpin
      Keepin ya party jumpin with an original somethin
      Yo, I dedicate this to the one dimension-al
      No imagination, excuse for perpetration
      My man came over and said, “Yo we thought we heard you”
      Joke’s on you; you heard a bitin-ass crew but um..”

  • devond

    you must of havent been in the clubs lately this lil wayne song has so much energy it makes you wanna crank dat souja boy while making it rain then saying the whisper song lyrics in a girls ear that other song by the roots well all i have to say is black thought should of made that mtv top mc’s of all time list NOT

  • Sleepy Wonder

    Everyone Is Messing With The Vocoder On Their Shit Nowadayz (Snoop, 50, Wayne, Etc) And I’m Positive That It Won’t Stop There, Expect Alot Of This In Hip Hop’s Future. I Hope It Puts T-Pain Outta Business And He Ends Up Shooting Himself Cuz I Miss Nate Dogg….

  • Cinsere

    Noooo wayyyyy. That’s my JOINT right there!

    “Birthday Girl” probably will go down as their worst song ever. But listening to the title track “Rising Down” will just make you forget all about it.

    • Cinsere

      ^^^I don’t mean “Lollipop”, cuz that sucks. This was supposed to be a reply to zacreole about “Star”, but XXL fucked up.

  • SpacemanRam

    ‘Birthday Girl’ may be a little weird, but at least it has a topic. ‘Lollipop’ is just Weezy getting his T-Pain on. Badly.

  • BORN IN THE NORTH, RAISED IN THE SOUTH

    Here’s a little logic for you kids:

    IF …Black Thought’s never spit a hot verse,
    THEN… All of Lil Wayne’s verses in his entire career are Hip-Hop Quotables.

    Oh yeah: Things Fall Apart > any Wayne Album.

  • moresickaMC

    wayne is a joke….the songs of the carter 3 are terrible

  • t

    sTATIC MAJOR SANG ON THE HOOK OF lOLLIPOP, rip sTATIC mAJOR

  • Liam
  • Chaka

    Kevin said:”For one, Lil’ Wayne is far more talented than ‘The Roots’, which the name just sounds stupid”.It seems this brother does’nt understand what the term ‘talented’ means.As his comments in his post shows,he falsly thinks talented=successful.My brother not all talented men are successfull and not all successfull men are talented.Dont equate the word talented with the word successfull because those words do not have the same meaning but different meanings.Now,when it comes to this rap thing,Wayne might be more successfull than the Roots;but lyrically(delivery+content),Black Thought is way above Wayne.When it comes to drums and sounds Questlove is way better than Wayne.Infact,Wayne knows nothing about drums.So when you sum up everything,the Root as a group is far more talented than Wayne.You also said the name”The Roots” sound stupid.Here again you show that you are ignorant in this matter.When you look at the originality,creativity and artistry of the group,you will see that the word Root is quite fitting as the name for the group.But may be,like the word talented,you dont know the meaning of the word roots.My advise to you my brother is to go get a dictionary and start jacking it.Peace an hip hop head in Africa wrote this.

    • kevin

      Okay, so how is lil wayne NOT talented? tell me who brings the incredible combinations of metaphors and catch lines that NOBODY else says. Like i said, he has his own unique style and lil wayne is one of few rappers that has successfully branched out to make his own kind of music, how HE wants it, not the faggot record labels. His music appeals to white girls, white guys, blacks, fucking like the what? 60,000 people at his concert in Amsterdam? C’mon now, you think that millions of people appreciate his music and NOBODY just realizes that he’s talentless? Granted, his lyrical skills have declined since his previous albums.

  • BossGame
  • Obskure Starr

    t, you probably never even knew who static major was until that gay lollipop song came out.

    any Roots worst track >>>>>>> any best Lil Wayne joint.

    and i also think that people who post all these ignorant comments on the internet defending wayne are just in denial. they in denial cuz they dont wanna believe that this guy got merked by his own hype. he shouldnt have taken that role and he never will amount to what his hype is all about. i wouldnt be surprised if that crackhead dies sometime this year from all that cough syrup and pills he pop. remember what happened to Dj Screw? exactly

  • WS

    “Lollipop” is a great song. And The Roots suck.

  • connor

    “I’m the kind of elitist bastard who finds boring quote-unquote real hip-hop way better than exciting LCD rap.”

    Bol,

    This is apples and oranges. If you are not into electro-pop, that’s fine; I pretty much ignore it when you are going on and on about Gin Blossoms records. I think it is time we all acknowledged that there has been a fundamental SPLIT, not SHIFT, in hip-hop, and that those of you who wish to rock with traditionalist rap can continue to listen to Sean Price and Joell Ortiz and whomever without having to impugn the Timbos and Waynes and whoever else wants to take the music further into Euroclub territory. Nobody is destroying the records you would like to listen to; you can in fact continue to listen to them. The fact that internet morons contend that Wayne is a better rapper than Biggie or whatever should be of no consequence.

  • DANJA29

    Maybe. But comparing those two are like comparing which smells better out of shit and vomit.

  • Benny Blanco

    I hate to do this but I gotta agree with Bol… Lollipop is so bad ussually I’m the one who defends Wayne but I cant do it here… It just sounds bad as in why the fuck does anyone listen to this shit… its not even catchy the beat is fuckin wierd the T-Pain shit Wane does is FUCKIN WACK its just a flat out wack song. And dont give me that shit about its for the radio, the radio doesnt even play shit that bad

  • http://yahoo.com tmoney

    all these mutha fuckas want to diss down south rap fuck up north rap, you don’t got it no more money so stop the hate towards us. we know how to get money I think you guys need to do the same bitches

  • Tyrekele

    Birthday Girl ain’t as bad because it at least falls under a genre even though it is Rock. Lollipop falls under no genre but if there was one it would be CRAP Lil Wayne Is a Fuckin’ Homo who used to be good… Keyword

    USED TO

    He sucks now

    listen to Tha Carter, The Prefix, The Suffix, Tha Carter II, and Dedication 1 and 2 to get genuine Lil Wayne

  • Obskure Starr

    what a desperate and ignorant attempt that tmoney made. aren’t you that guy from bouad.undergroundhip-hop.net?

  • http://blockishot.com/blog,myspace.com/logicoveremo Kirk

    That last thought was too hilarious. You’re foolish if you think people are paying attention to wayne’s consistency. He came out totally different then he is now changed at least twice before he became lil Gillie and now he changes his steez every new mixtape or interview. He’s also getting worse. Have you considered the fact that he is a child rap star comparable to any child actor? His career can go nowhere but down.
    And I do agree with you. We’re both biased real hip hop is usually better, but Wayne’s lollipop is genius it just doesn’t have anything to do with him. The beat is actually tight as hell. I would never vouch for his silly sounding voice or lyrics though. MLK Jr.

  • http://zacreole.blogspot.com zacreole

    Cinsere says:

    ^^^I don’t mean “Lollipop”, cuz that sucks. This was supposed to be a reply to zacreole about “Star”, but XXL fucked up.

    I pretty much thought the whole Tipping Point album was coffee cup coaster crap. “Everybody’s a Star” was like The Roots playing karaoke-very unimaginatively covering classic Sly with no kind of new, creative or original spin on it. Why? Boring music.

    What’s next- a hardcore version of “Rappers Delight” featuring Peedi Crack & Dice Raw? “September” with a rapped verse by John Mayer? Mu’fuckin’ Journey on some “Don’t Stop Believing” ish with Rahzel beat boxing & Malik B doing the chorus with his “im-in al” style, etc.?

    IMHO they should leave that shit for their concerts full of “coffee shop chicks & white dudes”.

    The Roots are dope, to be sure. I just want to hear the real hip-hop music that THEY create-not an informal jam session w/ the hackey sack crowd, dude. Seen?

  • grapes

    FUCK WEEZY, CARTER 3 GONNA FLOP…

  • London Stand up!

    i loved the way when he was in london he got bottled of the stage
    “take yo ass back home boi” and he tried to mean mug hahaha we made that dude tuck his chain in and take off his watch an all sorts!

  • Kevin

    okay faggots, the roots have talent, i don’t discredit that from them, but who the fuck really cares about the roots anymore? 1996, YEAH GOOD JOB, that was fucking 12 years ago you sped. Lil wayne’s music is appreciated because he is unlike any other rapper. Sure, his verses are not always the greatest and sometimes borderline fucking weird, but he brings his own unique style. Nobody says what he says, he doesn’t follow the shitty trend of new-age garbage rap, and yes i get fucked up so it’s cool to relate to it and you’re aware of what he’s talking about..lighten up a little bit, this is a fucking internet blog area and you kids like seriously get fucking enraged about it, go buy carter 3.

  • kevin

    And: even if you agree that The Roots are more talented than lil wayne ever will be/was then okay, look at what else i said. The Carter 3, even with the music industry’s album sales going to the shithole, will sell millions. It’s the most anticipated album of the last like 3 years, in many people’s opinion.

  • Frisby

    How is any of this shit relevant when an Eminem project is in the making? and Tech N9ne too….now there’s talent…..lil wayne should join the roots, hows that? the sound of chaos will ring out and people will buy their shit and everyone will be happy