The De-Evolution Of Rap Music…

Jay-Z doesn’t write down his lyrics. Yeah. So what? We’ve heard him say that shit a thousand million times. I didn’t believe it at first simply because he has so much material spread throughout the course of his career that he would have to be the idiot savant of rap music to commit all of it to memory. Of course he can’t be in charge of the daily operations of a nightclub business or a clothing line when he is committing all of brainpower to remembering raps and their associated cadences and shit. But there was a bigger reason that I thought he would have been motivated to jot his thought down on paper for.

The written word is the evolution of thinking for man. It’s when man realized that had to grow up from relying on allegories and anecdotes spoken in poem and song to creating a permanent story for the truth he experienced – his story. By writing down his thoughts man was acknowledging that his mind developed ideas that were worth preserving. I suppose that in a way Jay-Z is admitting that his mind hasn’t created any ideas that would stand up in value over time, although I would argue that ‘Reasonable Doubt’ belongs in the top 50 of raps music’s greatest albums. Somewhere in the late thirties – early forties range.

So now a whole generation of rappers have also decided to adopt the mantra of not writing their lyrics on paper. In this case I think it’s because they don’t want there to be any further scrutinization of their rhymes. I can’t blame them for that. Most rappers realize that they aren’t saying shit in the first place. At least they aren’t saying anything original or creative to the point that we should preserve it for examination and study in subsequent generations. This is why I mainly fucks with the Wu-Tang and cats like Joell Ortiz and Black Thought and whoever else keeps a rhymebook. I appreciate the emcees that respect their craft.

That means they also respect me, because I am the listener. I’m the person that will listen to their thoughts at a later date and possibly examine them for their truth and their validity. Will their lyrics resonate with my life five years, ten years, after they were first delivered? I believe so. Some people that know Hip-Hop would argue that Grandmaster Caz is one of the greatest emcees of all time. It was the powerful content from his rhymebook that enabled Sylvia Robinson to place three total strangers together and form the Sugarhill Gang. NaSir Jones was quick to tell people that the potency of his rhymebook could enslave a man’s brain. What in the world have you seen that has been more captivating than Cam’Ron’s rhymebook?

Committing your thoughts to paper is empowering because it allows you to review the processes of your mind, and through the time it requires to transcribe your words it reminds you that the thoughts you are transferring have value. In the end, it’s not simply your ideas which have value, but you as a person.

  • N.O. 4 life

    i agree…now only if you put your mind to every post like this one

  • og bobby j

    I thought the reason J started to use memory instead of writing was to save money with studio time. Anyway, i dont care how they do it as long as its good. Whatever papoose does is a good method…and whatever Pun did should be a model

  • http://hiphoponmymind.blogspot.com/ DJ Daddy Mack

    interesting ish right here. i noticed dat i tend to like rappers who write their lyrics like saigon, joell and nas.

    but yea hes right about jay not having anything worth ish for the future. fuck jay.

  • http://www.myspace.com/crockerishiphop crocker

    Papoose…yeah…great emcee…. yeah….no cadence -check; failed album – check; shitty dj – check; idk….

  • Definition

    how does Jay-Z not write but also ghostwrite? I mean was he just telling Dre his lyrics or someshit?

  • larry brite

    LMAO! That Rhyme Book Is Fuct up – lOL

  • b-ease

    wow. if you stay off bol’s aesthetic dick, your actually a good writer. Stick to shit like this, and stop trying to be funny/ironic/satirical and the respect will happen.

  • big o

    you cant be serios resonable doubt top 50?try top 5 or 10.just because jay doesnt write it down that doesnt mean that it sucks it just means he doent have to.and he even said he used to write but he had to remember all of his rhymes becausehe didnt have time to write them down.do your research and step out of your small ass box before you spew ignorance.

  • icee

    wow that was kinda deep for a xxl blog…kid for real that was the best post in a minute but i do get sick of the jay-z name drops but this was kinda worth hearing his name for.

    …..”through the time it requires to transcribe your words it reminds you that the thoughts you are transferring have value. In the end, it’s not simply your ideas which have value, but you as a person”

    ONE TIME FOR THE MEN WHO THINK THEN ACT

  • http://xxlmag.com Kane Corleone

    “AYO hold the phone while Cam chart this bitch extra chromosomes,wyle out,retarded kids She gave the homie dome mile south to my cartilage wide mouth, chubby fingers ,big tongue, retarded kid.” hahahahaha nigga I read that and hoe-g was all I saw!

  • Ghost Deini

    TRUTH. I’m so sick of hearing about it. It’s bullshit. Like it could be ACTUALLY HARDER to write them down.

  • ATL = All Trannies Live

    “I’m the person that will listen to their thoughts at a later date and possibly examine them for their truth and their validity.”

    You stupid for taking rappers that serious. Go read some Fredrick Douglas if appreciate words that “REALLY” resonate for years and years.

    • LowEndofDaChi

      So I guess cats he shouted out like Joell Ortiz and Black Thought of The Roots are rappers not to be taken seriously? Get the fuck outta here buddy.

      Good post btw, I’m tired of all these cats bragging about how they don’t write their lyrics down. Respect your craft and the listeners.

  • http://xxlmag.com houston’s finest

    R.I.P SEAN TAYLOR

  • P-Matik

    Jigga also inspired countless (c)rappers to bite his flow….

    “…that’s that salad dressin’/I’m on my thousandth island…”

    These “young” cats swear they killin’ it too.

  • big

    ha ha its sooo funny to hear the hate in this post and on the comments.did anyone ever jest take the time to think that maybe jay z and biggie are just 2 very talented artist?jay doesnt have to write any more because when he goes into the booth it is already transmitted to text. you could find any of his lyrics anywhere just cause he doesnt keep a rhyme book dont hate its just his style

  • Combat Jack

    Thought provoking. Never looked at it like this, even though I felt jay would be more of a superior emcee if he opted from time to time, to jot down his thoughts. Thnx BXS.

  • BirdsFlySouth

    Jay also inspired a generation of TRICKS

    “…might light your wrist, but that about it.”

    PS It is trickin if you got it.

    • skineedeville

      ty my nigga. i BEEN tryin 2 tell niggas this. trickin is trickin. broke or rich.

  • Fire

    I couldn’t agree more with your post. If you’re an MC, writing lyrics down does show respect for the listener and shows that you have something worth preserving in your brain that you want others to hear. It shows you care about them hearing it. Nice departure from the Bol lite posts. You should write stuff like this more often.

    • skineedeville

      good point fire. but if ur memory is just THAT good where u aint gotta write it down aint that the same thing as preserving it? what happens if ur rhymebook is stolen? or burns in a housefire? what then? then u aint got shit. thats y god gave us brains. do u have ur name tatted on u so u dont 4get it? do u have 2 look @ ur birth certificate 2 know ur birthday? probably not. y? cuz u REMEMBER it. does that mean ur name and ur birthday hold no weight cuz u aint gotta look @ paper to know it? cant blame the man 4 havin an above average memory. talent is talent.

      • Fire

        I’m not hating on Jay for doing it, I’m actually a big Jay Z fan. The average person can’t do what he does, though. When they try to, many make pointless bullshit or irrelevant songs. You made some good points, but memorizing your rhymebook would be a good way to get around losing it. It is the same thing as preserving it if you have a good memory.

  • smog

    the thing about not writing down lyrics is that it forces someone to be verbal, and rap is verbal, it is sound, not writing, rap isnt a hip hop poem, i hate when people say that shit, like would you critize a dude if he played the guitar and didnt take the time to write down all the notes of a song before he played it for you? and jay saying that shit is old as hell, and whats the view on the new wu?

    • Fire

      Rap is many things, it can’t be categorized into an all or nothing space. True, sound and cadence is important, but hopefully you don’t want to be talkin’ loud and sayin’ nothin (word to the James Brown classic). If they don’t write their lyrics down, fine, but I’d take a Nas type over a Playaz Circle type any day of the week.

      • smog

        true true

  • b-ease

    big o says:

    you cant be serios resonable doubt top 50?try top 5 or 10.just because jay doesnt write it down that doesnt mean that it sucks it just means he doent have to.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Jay’s is on my top five MC list,there’s no denying the skill or influence, but REASONALBLE DOUBT IN THE TOP 10 HIPHOP ALBUMS OF ALL TIME?!? that’s blasphemy. Seriously. I’ll give it top 20, but there’s a huge difference between top 10 and top 20.

    1. Cuban Linx
    2. Ready to Die
    3. Life After Death
    4. The Chronic
    5. Illmatic
    5. Paid in Full
    6. Enter the 36
    7. Criminal Minded
    8. Aquemini
    9. Death Certificate
    10.The Diary/We Cant be stopped

    Thats just off the top of my head. just proving that there are WITHOUT A DOUBT, AT LEAST 10 hiphop albums better than Resonalble Doubt. DONT LET JAY-Z CHANGE HISTORY!!

    • http://www.myspace.com/sogentllc LowEndofDaChi

      You’re silly. Like really silly.

      I guarantee you that the majority of 80′s babies out there will agree that Reasonable Doubt is one of the few rap albums ever created where every track is fire. I see no reason why it shouldn’t be mentioned in the top 10, from Jay’s incredible lyricism at the time to some truly amazing production. Its certainly better than Only Built for Cuban Links.

      On my mama.

  • jg420

    BirdsFlySouth says:

    Jay also inspired a generation of TRICKS

    “…might light your wrist, but that about it.”

    PS It is trickin if you got it.

    ^^^^^CO-SIGN.
    Soon as I seen her, shit I told her I’d pay for it. – Trick ass plies

  • these posts are racist

    The De-Evolution of Journalism and Writers.

    How simplistic and narrow an analysis Billy. Jay-Z’s words are indeed recorded! And therefore your entire theory of a deveolved process is nonsense. The entire Black Album and American Gangster is availabe in written form – you can listen to the album and write it down yourself. Jay-Z doesn’t spit his rhymes from memory/at the top of his dome just for the sake of not writing, he does so because that’s his creative process. In fact, during a recent interview he said he tried writing the black album, but creativly, his mind didn’t let him do it. He records his rhymes! So all of the rationale behind writing down your rhymes yourself (i.e. to preserve the rhyme for history) is covered by the recording itself! And scribes on various websites do write down the rhymes anyway.

    This whole post fails to acknowledge these critical facts. Those new artists who do not write down rhymes/songs for the sake of not writing them are as silly as you who would demand that an artist write lyrics, for the sake of writing them.

    You should evolve as a writer and journalist and look at these for a complete perspective.

    • skineedeville

      EXACTLY homie. like i said this dude sounds like a pissed off rapper that never made it. *sniffing* i smell a hater. lol

  • http://myspace.com/parabalix write your rhymes down

    a real lyricist should not just freestyle your rhymes

    freestyling is great for cyphers, but when it comes to creating an album. written rhymes allow for time to think about what your saying.

    I personally write my rhymes like a freestyle, so i dont get stuck, but then i can always take my time before i go to the next bar and make sure every word is being used to it’s fullest.

  • roxxalott

    so if he doesnt write them, but records them for further scrutinization (let’s say 12 years later because we still actually do scrutinize his lyrcis and in fact call him the greatest of all time) doesn’t that negate your entire argument?

  • http://xxlmag.com Billy X. Sunday

    Jay-Z lyrics are recorded and transcribed by people other than himself. My drop here deals with the relationship of art as opposed to commerce.

    I can’t think of any art where people don’t commit the time to the permenance and development of that idea.

  • roxxalott

    Time is committed to the development of the ideas, there’s just no record of the process because it is in his mind. painters do not always scribble a sketch before they paint, sometimes they pull out the canvas and paint. To satisfy your criticism he would have to change the way he expresses himself through art i.e. a painter rapping because you like rap more. Every Jay-z song you liked after Reasonable was off the dome and I’m sure you have praised him at some point, so why the criticism now? WHy not after Kingdom Come which received a lukewarm reception and arguably could have benefitted (artistically not commercially) from some rough drafts? You herald those who are masters of ceremonies as artist by setting freestyling as part of the criteria, yet when an MC perfects it, he is criticized, not only for the way he expresses himself but for also being TOO good at it (gasp!) I disagree with this drop.

    • skineedeville

      ANOTHER good point. a lot of people say ur not a TRUE mc if u dont freestyle. well jay took it 2 another level and gets criticized 4 it. boy i tell ya. crabs in a barrell, crabs in a barrell.

  • PURPLE HULK

    IVE BEEN SAYING JAY Z IS A FAGGOT PIECE OF SHIT THATS WEAK ON THE MIC

    NOONE LISTENS THOUGH

  • iNfAmOuS

    After I clicked on that rhymebook, I didn’t bother to read the rest of the article. That shit was hilarious! LMAO! They killed it w/that rhymebook. Ya need to check that out. I’ma go read the rest of this article, now.

  • http://www.theunderwriters.blogspot.com THE UNDERWRITER

    It seems like Jay should start writing his lyrics down now, just to avoid some of the mishaps on Kingdom Come and even on American Gangster…

    PARTY LIFE:
    “Cooler than zee-ro/bee-low…”

    Seems to me like if I were the MC on that one, I would have benefited by writing it down, then realizing that zero below makes no fucking sense. Now on the other hand…

    “Cooler than bee-low/zero…”

    This would have been way more appropriate. But that’s just me being an editor.

    But then again, Nas has his “Book of Rhymes”. Since he writes his lyrics, it would have made more sense to say this…

    “Success… McLaren/
    Women starin/
    My villian appealin’ (not “appearing”)
    Sacred blood of a king in my veins
    Ain’t spillin’…

    And again..

    “Ghetto Othello/
    Sugar Hill Romello/
    Camero driven
    I climax from paper then ask,
    ‘Why is life worth livin’?’

    Is it the hunt for the shit that you want?
    To receive’s great…
    But I thirst giving (instead of “lust”)…

    Nas’ rhyme scheme was severely interrupted by his penchant for having a freestyle-ready voice. He probably could have taken a second look at those lyrics and seen how “worth” and “thirst” rhyme better than “worth” and “lust”.

    Real emcees and writers of all sorts will feel me on this one. Sometimes you rush to get the rhyme, story, article or blog finished, when you could have gone back for a re-edit and perfected the flow and rhyme.

    But you’ll only get this if you’re a great writer that’s not ashamed to say that you use pen and paper from time to time.

    Whew!!! Damn, I went in…

    • D.R.A.M.A

      ay u rite kid thats real shyt

  • skineedeville

    ok this article is obviously from a jay hater cuz its a lot of holes in his story. 1st off fuck ya bitch and the clique u claim…..lol just playin but seriously y does it matter if he writes or not? his lyrics cant b scrutinized? hello? mcfly? he RECORDS them!! theyre on millions and millions of cds 2 b critiqued and studied. how many mc’s rhymebooks have any of us ever seen? exactly. so u have no way of knowing who writes and who doesnt unless they tell u. and some of them could b lyin. like gucci mane says he dont write. well if thats true…he should. i wouldnt brag on not writin down THAT bullshit. hell, its niggas that write that should just QUIT altogether so what does writing mean? if u dope and u aint gotta write so be it. 2 me this article really makes no sense. 2 quote eminem the author sounds like “a pissed off rapper that never made it”

    peace

  • Jee

    ^^^^^ no you didn’t…

  • http://xxlmag.com Billy X. Sunday

    For centuries, stories like the Odyssey, the Iliad, the great flood, the birth of man, etc. have been relegated to the memories of the storytellers.

    It wasn’t until the writer(s) Homer placed the trials of Odysseus into a book that we could all study and enjoy this masterful tale of comedy and tragedy.

    Rapping is based on one pillar – WORDPLAY. Not humming, or cadences, or swagger or whatever else. Wordplay. Period. Pointblank. There’s no question that Jay-Z has been relevant and witty. How great might he have been had he took the time to study his craft?

    Freestyle rapping or free association wordplay is all about owning a sharp mind and a poetic delivery. Knowing precisely where to accent and annunciate your words and knowing when to issue a punchline that knocks the ball out of the park. This certainly requires a supreme talent, but if you have talent and no respect for the source of your talent then you are ruined by ego.

    Would Jay-Z accept the beats from a producer who simply walked into the studio, pushed a few buttons for five to ten minutes and then walked out? Too bad that all you Jay-Z stans have bruised feelings behind this drop. Everything that Jay-Z has wanted for his career he has achieved. My praises and my criticisms only fall upon his Def ears (pun always intended).

    This drop is for those of you that still have the hunger in your heart to succeed in rap music. It’s to y’all that I implore you to respect the craft of moving the crowd.

    • skineedeville

      1ce again, u contradict urself. no offense but how can u call urself a writer? u say rap is about wordplay. well GOT DAMN who is better @ it than Jay? not many IF any. this nigga said “surviving droughts? i wish u well” (well as in water well). wow. how can u say he doesnt have respect 4 his talent simply because he doesnt write? that makes no sense if he doesnt HAVE 2 write isnt that the REAL talent? that means he does the SAME thing all these other rappers do; in some cases better that most, WITHOUT writing it down. B.I.G. didnt write either. so what u got say about THAT? im waitin….

  • barbarian at the gate

    Ah, the search for the profound in rhymin’ bullshit.

    Don’t look too deeply in a shallow fucking pond.

    • Fire

      Don’t assume it’s a shallow pond. Listen to rap before you generalize it. There are a lot of profound statements and songs in rap’s catalogue.

  • http://www.theunderwriters.blogspot.com THE UNDERWRITER

    Damn, that was a great point by Sunday on that last comment, which probably flew right over many heads.

    See, the point is that writers understand that more thought goes into this whole fucktastic process of putting ink on paper or text on a word processor than most people would ever imagine.

    It always seemed funny to me that Jay-Z would talk so much of his ability to rhyme without writing. But this point by BXS –

    tagThere’s no question that Jay-Z has been relevant and witty. How great might he have been had he took the time to study his craft?

    This is about as true and real – as it relates to real quality – as it will ever get to those of you who don’t write for a living.

    Those who do understand know that writing is cathargic. Theraputic, even. It allows the mind to see where it’s going, then correct itself before it goes too far, unlike the tongue (nolo).

    Damn, this made me remember why the eff I even comment.

    Good post again.

    • Fire

      As I writer, I feel you. Co-sign.

  • b-ease

    LowEndofDaChi says:

    You’re silly. Like really silly.

    I guarantee you that the majority of 80’s babies out there will agree that Reasonable Doubt is one of the few rap albums ever created where every track is fire. I see no reason why it shouldn’t be mentioned in the top 10, from Jay’s incredible lyricism at the time to some truly amazing production. Its certainly better than Only Built for Cuban Links.
    On my mama.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Your last sentance completely discredits you. I could suffer an argument for some of the albums on that top 10 i threw together being under Reasonable Doubt. But not Cuban Linx. Truly a superior product in every way to Jay’s first album. In fact, without it, Jay would have had no template for Reasoonable Doubt. I don’t think you’re silly, just ignorant.

    • http://www.myspace.com/sogentllc LowEndofDaChi

      Cuban Links the template for Reasonable Doubt? Granted, Cuban Links was a really good album, classic even, but to say it was a template for Reasonable Doubt is beyond absurd. I would’ve given you credit had you said Ready To Die, but come on man.

      And superior product, how? The production is ill beyond a doubt, but Raekwon wasn’t fucking with Jay lyrically back then. Take away Ghost’s heavy contribution to the album and it wouldn’t haven been as ill as Wu stans like to claim it is.

  • dead prezident

    I usually don’t like your posts, but this is probably the best blog post I have ever read. It has an inherent truth to it and it’s not on that silly ass shock-blog tip. The written word really is stronger than the spoken word. You could really get some traction out of this type of writing. This is on a whole ‘nother level. Stop all that fake-satiracal bullshit because it really isn’t all that satiracle or funny anyway. We need this sort of analysis of our (sub)culture. Critical thinking in hip-hop is sorely, sorely lacking.

  • b-ease

    November 28th, 2007
    at 9:25 am

    LowEndofDaChi says:

    Cuban Links the template for Reasonable Doubt? Granted, Cuban Links was a really good album, classic even, but to say it was a template for Reasonable Doubt is beyond absurd. I would’ve given you credit had you said Ready To Die, but come on man.

    ^^^^^^^^^^
    The whole mafioso image that BIG (Life After Death), Nas (It was Written) and Jay (Reasonalble doubt) ran with in ’96 and ’97 was CREATED on this album. It’s not just the template for Reasonable, but alot of east coast hiphop that came after it.Mixing narratives with braggadocio seamlessly was something Rae perfected and Jay picked up on (“…Jigga started to flow like us/but hit with “aint no nigga”). There would never have been a lane for Jay to drop coke rhymes without Linx. Do the history.

    And superior product, how? The production is ill beyond a doubt, but Raekwon wasn’t fucking with Jay lyrically back then. Take away Ghost’s heavy contribution to the album and it wouldn’t haven been as ill as Wu stans like to claim it is.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^
    But I’m not taking away Ghost’s heavy contribution. Why would I? It’s as much his album as it is Rae’s and RZA’s. And if you dont think Rae or Ghost was fucking with Jay lyrically back then, I strongly suggest hitting a L and listening to Cuban Linx from start to finish.You’ll hear shit you never caught the 1st or 50th time you listened to it. If you still believe that statement about Hov’s superior skills, we’re just gonna have to agree to disagree homey.

    • http://www.myspace.com/sogentllc LowEndofDaChi

      We could argue what influenced what all day. Truth is, OB4CL is a dope album and all, but it was Raekwon’s album and he didn’t come impressive at all. The production along with Ghostface are the main reasons the album was so ill. Rae’s never had any quotable lines or a notable verse in my eyes.

      @Were Read 2 Def

      Kool G Rap is a beast, always has been.

  • Were Read 2 Def

    Big ups 2 b-ease.

    Cuban Linx is Cocaine Rap in Cinematic form. W/o Cuban Linx…there wouldnt b no Reasonable Doubt. Ima Jay fan as a Wu fan, but lets not get it twisted Kool G Rap invented Cocaine Rap.

  • princerudynasim

    great article . again this dude is always trying to make himself a self proclaimed god figure but its amazing how jesus him self never brags around that he’s the man like jigga does. ppl know whats a freestyle n whats not american gangster is prob all off the head blue print not this guys is a husler n a good one cause he has scammed his fans for yrs. if this stupid fuck has a photographic memory like he implies this stupid camel chancleta woring dumb ass wouldve been a doctor not a selling nickel n diming in brooklyn dont u think mothafucka think he mozart or someshit efing fag not even eminem not even eminem

  • Lajm

    Word.

  • kritiq

    For centuries, stories like the Odyssey, the Iliad, the great flood, the birth of man, etc. have been relegated to the memories of the storytellers.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^
    bullshit!!!!!!! not all great stories are passed on by the written word. Go back to Africa dumb ass where the true art form of story telling is still being practised and there’s no written word homie, every generation hears the stories from word of mouth.

    dont base you logic on some bullshit history you dont even know, shallow dumb asses like you dont know jack about the art of story telling.

    • Around and Around

      But look what’s happening to the oral tradition throughout Africa, it’s being lost. It may still be practised, but those circles are getting more and more minute. And as technology reachs every corner of earch, these stories are not being passed on. Name an African Epic? …without google.

      You want to read some interesting shit google Harold Scheub, little white professor form the Univ. of Wisconsin who spent most of his life recording African Oral stories, cat walked 6,000 miles around Africa with a tent and a can of beans.

  • http://xxlmag.com Billy X. Sunday

    Kritiq,
    I love your last comment.

    “FUCK YOU AFRICA MAN!”

    Shut the fuck up when adults are talking. Sit down and drink from the sippie cup you keep in the bedroom you have slept in since you were five with the Lil Bow Wow poster on the wall.

    Only Built For Cuban Links is the ‘Crime and Punishment’ for this rap shit. ‘Reasonable Doubt’ is merely a Michael Crichton novel.

    That’s really, real talk.

  • http://www.myspace.com/sogentllc LowEndofDaChi

    I don’t know how many times I have to acknowledge OB4CL as a great album. Reasonable Doubt was just iller.

    And word to Kritiq, the griots of Africa did their thing on the storytelling tip. But you know, its hard for most of us to appreciate that lost word of mouth tradition when we pretty much lost our culture en route to the New World some 400 years ago.

  • b-ease

    November 28th, 2007
    at 10:53 am

    LowEndofDaChi says:

    We could argue what influenced what all day. Truth is, OB4CL is a dope album and all, but it was Raekwon’s album and he didn’t come impressive at all. The production along with Ghostface are the main reasons the album was so ill. Rae’s never had any quotable lines or a notable verse in my eyes.

    ^^^^^^^
    It’s actually Raekwon FEATURING Ghostface Killer (says so on the cover) so it was never intended to be a “solo” album in the true sense from jump.I agree that the production and Ghost are a large reason the album is classic. I dont understand your position that this makes the album less impressive though. The fact that you’re abandoning the influence argument just proves you couldnt debate the truth. Just admit that Cuban Linx provided a template for Reasonable, nobody will think less of you haha. And if Rae’s lines on C.R.E.A.M. and Incarcerated Scarfaces dont constitute notable verses (or Knowledge God for that matter), your’re listening to the wrong genre of music buddy.

  • http://www.myspace.com/sogentllc LowEndofDaChi

    @ B ease or whatever

    I honestly don’t hear the influence OB4CL had on RD. Please point them out. Like I said before, I would’ve given you credit if you said that RD was influenced heavily by Ready to Die.

    And I listen to all types of hip hop fam, from Company Flow and Cannibal Ox to Tip and Jeezy. Raekwon’s just really overrated. That dude can’t make a good followup album to save his life. On the other hand, Jay has quite a few under his belt.

  • preezy tha don

    if yall actually listened to some of the rappers yall keep name dropping then u would know certain things. for the couple of yall who keep sayin NaS writes down his lyrics down-wrong! he said in his song “book of rhymes” on the gods son album that he hasn’t written in years and he actually finds it easier and better to not write. and how can u say that just because jay don’t write his shit down its not worth anything? that shit don’t even make sense. dude got classic album regardless of whether or not he write his shit down. only reason why everybody else say they don’t write is cuz they wanna be like jay.

    anyway, stop hatin. everybody listens to jay, everybody don’t listen to joell ortiz or black thought…but don’t get it twisted them niggaz is raw as hell and i aint takin nothin away from them but jay got his status for a reason

    • Fire

      This is actually what Nas said at the beginning of “Book Of Rhymes”.

      Alchemist you know me man
      I’m the type of nigga that write rhymes right on the spot in the studio
      soon as I hear the track; you know what I’m sayin?

      So he does write his lyrics down. Just wanted to clear that up. Both Nas and Jay are classic and make music that is worth something. BXS has explained what he’s been trying to say for a while now, hope you all can figure it out.

  • kritiq

    Wow!!!!! William what a comeback,Iam not suprised that instead of making a meaningfull dialogue you resort to your usual stupid rants and changing the subject tactic, simply because you can not argue with what I present too you LOL. That just shows the masses how shallow you are at every thing you present.

    By the way OB4CL comes no where close to RD these are two totally different concepts with maybe the same morale outlook, it’s like comparing the Godfather flick with scarface

  • b-ease

    @ low end of the chi

    i wasnt talking about sonic influence, as much as I was talking about topical influence. Point em out?? I already did. It’s pretty simple, Rae and Ghost brought coke rap to the forefront and made mafioso imagery the thing to emulate for East Coast rappers over the next two years. I really dont understand how you cant see that.

    Ready to Die?? No, not really. Sure, both of em are from Brooklyn, but that’s kinda where it stops. The albums are extremely different. You’re way off base with both your points. And I’m sure most heads would agree. And why do you keep making Jay-Z/Raekwon MC comparisons??I know Raekwon cant make a good solo album. Doesnt mean Cuban Linx isnt better than Reasonable though. We’re just talking about two albums, not their careers. Everytime i make you realize i’m right you pull something out of thin air…

    • http://www.myspace.com/sogentllc LowEndofDaChi

      At the end of the day its really all a matter of opinion, from which album is better to speculating on what influenced them.

  • b-ease

    By the way OB4CL comes no where close to RD these are two totally different concepts with maybe the same morale outlook, it’s like comparing the Godfather flick with scarface

    ^^^^^^
    Doesnt come close?!?!? I hope you dont mean in terms of quality. Cause even if you think Reasonable Doubt is doper (even though it’s not), you have to acknowledge that Cuban is not far behind it.It’s more like comparing Godfather with Goodfellas. With Cuban being the Godfather.

  • these posts are racist

    >>>>”I can’t think of any art where people don’t commit the time to the permenance and development of that idea.”

    What gives you power to define what constitutes an adequately developed idea?

    >>>>…”It wasn’t until the writer(s) Homer placed the trials of Odysseus into a book that we could all study and enjoy this masterful tale of comedy and tragedy.”

    And we have CD’s and IPOD’s so as to enjoy Jay-Z’s masterful tales of comedy and tragedy.

    >>>>”This drop is for those of you that still have the hunger in your heart to succeed in rap music.”

    -And Jay-Z is not the Gold Standard for what it means to succeed in Rap???

    This is hilarious. Billy, just becuase you define respect for an art form or perfection of an art form as having to be written down and edited, doesn’t make it so. Jay-Z’s way of expressing himeself through rap is his, and it is for him to decide what is right.

  • b-ease

    LowEndofDaChi says:

    At the end of the day its really all a matter of opinion, from which album is better to speculating on what influenced them.

    ^^^^
    Absoulutely. That shit goes without saying.

  • Tray

    Of course Reasonable Doubt isn’t top ten. Most kids just haven’t heard anything made before Illmatic, so they don’t know what they’re talking about. Hip-hop wasn’t born in 1993. Oh, and Cuban Linx shits on Reasonable Doubt, that’s not even debatable.

    • http://www.myspace.com/sogentllc LowEndOfDaChi

      Most kids? How old are you fam?

      To be honest, I respect Hip Hop from the 80′s because it had to start somewhere, but I don’t feel that shit. The beats, rhyme schemes, cadences, and lyricism were for the most part too simple for me to even get into. So if thats what you came up on, that’s all well and good, I can respect that. Any idiot with an internet connection can tell you Hip Hop didn’t start in ’93. I didn’t grow up on that 80′s shit, and there aren’t many dudes from that era I even check for outside of Rakim, Kool G Rap, Cube, or Big Daddy Kane. Theres good goddamn reason that the 90′s is widely regarded as the Golden Era of Hip Hop.

      Fuck your opinion and whatever weak ass point you call yourself trying to bring across.

      100

  • kritiq

    @ Sunday do you realise by droping this post you are now admiting that pac was actually a better artis than your idol Biggie simply because pac jotted he’s rhymes down.

    funny how many of the people in here are quick to jump on your dick when the very same people are biggie fans, this post just shows how dumb you are William, how do you write a post about an artist that does not write down he’s rhymes and not mention biggie? bias motherfucker.

    so are you saying that biggies ryhmes are worthless and not worth listening too? daim why do niggas shoot them selves on the foot?

    this is a useless post and if you dont realise that Billy just wanted to discredit jay as an artist than you a justt as dumb as he is.

  • princerudynasim

    i really like this article because it separates good music from bull shit. im sure eminem who has writen classics i mean everyline compliments every line that what writing good writing at it does to the entire song. slick rick, joe budden, tupac this is what real good writers/ rappers do not battle rappers. battler rappers dont write there battles only cause its gay but because it doesnt need to make sense line after line. if jay z is gonna try to lie to his fans n say songs like “meet the parents” he rapped of the head he a bull shitter. this dude always trying to put himself above ever everyone let the fans do that jigga man shit eminem again a dude who has nothing left to prove in rap n he’s white doesnt proclain himself like this monkey camel

    • Tray

      Just because he never put anything down on paper doesn’t mean he didn’t plan out what he was going to say in his head… Jay never said that every song he’s ever made is a freestyle.

  • niggie

    why don’t you start writing down your own words, bamma. DEVOLUTION is a word, not “de-evolution”

    ol non-educated, hypocritical, bamma ass hatin nigg