Putting the RZA out to pasture

Listening to this god-awful new Wu-Tang album yesterday, it occurred to me that the rest of the Wu-Tang Clan might have to ditch the RZA, if they’re gonna have a successful career as a group from here on out. I’m convinced his mind is just not there anymore.

In that interview where Raekwon bitches about how the RZA was fucking up the 8 Diagrams with his production, he mentioned that him and some other people were thinking about putting together another Wu-Tang album next year, this time without the RZA’s input. At the time, I didn’t think this was a very good idea, since, after all, we heard what happened all of the other times Raekwon tried to put out an album without the RZA. But now I’m convinced that this could very well be the best idea Raekwon has had since the mid ’90s. I really do hope he makes this happen.

If you think about it, it’s been a long time since the RZA put out an album that was nails all the way through. I know he did a lot of work on Ghostface’s Supreme Clientele, which is pretty much the best album evar. And I was a big fan of his solo album, the Digital Bullet, which came out around the same time. Neither The W nor Iron Flag was what you might call an unqualified masterpiece, but they both had their moments. If you combined all of the good ideas on each of them (which is what they should have done anyway), you could probably come up with a pretty good album.

But even that’s been six or seven years ago. In the interim, what has the RZA done? I’m asking partly because it’s not like I’m the guy’s motherfucking biographer and partly because none of what I’ve heard from him in the past several years has been all that impressive. The Birth of a Prince was the definition of a shit sandwich, and this is coming from a guy who swears by both of those Bobby Digital albums to this day. I suppose he’s scored a few impressive paydays scoring kung fu films and what have you, but I’m not aware that any of his recent scores are better than or altogether different from his fucking brilliant score for the movie Ghost Dog. Which again dates back about seven years now.

Knowing what I know about the new Wu-Tang album, his post-2000 production output, and the fact that he’s under the impression that he invented Serato, I’m left with no other choice but to assume that the RZA smoked himself silly some time around the turn of the millennium and hasn’t been right ever since. The hip-hop equivalent of that guy Pink Floyd’s Wish You Were Here was about, except without the sense to go buy a house somewhere and spend the rest of his life tending to his garden. Hopefully he doesn’t end up in some PCP-induced incident in a shopping mall somewhere, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the RZA doesn’t have another good idea in his life.

Which brings me to my point. If Pink Floyd didn’t put out Dark Side of the Moon until after Syd Barrett went batshit, what’s there to suggest that the Wu-Tang Clan can’t put out a good album in 2008? It’s been well documented that Raekwon, Ghostface, Method Man, and U-God all have beef with the RZA over money anyway, so it shouldn’t be too difficult to convince them to split with him. The GZA might not be as willing to go along with it, since him and RZA are cousins and all, but you know what? He sucks now anyway. Try listening to some of his verses on 8 Diagrams without cringing a little bit. (Ol’ Dirty Bastard obviously won’t be an issue one way or the other.)

Since Ghostface is obviously the only one in the group who can consistently tell the difference between a good idea and a bad one, I say he should be the leader of any post-RZA Wu-Tang Clan. Imagine if the production on 8 Diagrams was on a par with, say, the beats The Pretty Toney Album, hardly any of which was produced by the RZA. The Wu-Tang Clan would be so back right now. It also seems like he’s been much more proactive about the process of promoting his work – touring, putting out books and dolls and what have you – than anyone else in the group. That’s the kind of focus the Wu-Tang Clan is gonna need, if it wants to be anywhere near the level it was at in the mid ’90s.

  • ATL = All Trannies Live

    Why in the hell did you think the album would be bangin anyway?

    40 year old men rappin about Karate = garbage

    • triplesixninja

      shut up ATL! why do I always catch u in Wu Tang posts talking shit? you don’t see me going into posts about Cassidy or Mims talking shit about them do you? Mind ur business fuck knicca!

    • http://www.hotmail.com Sagres aka Tical

      Watch ur mothafuckin’ mouth ATL BITCH, what u know bout underground hiph hop? Wu iz da best hip hop group eva bitch n RZA was all time da mastermind!!! Did u hear The Supreme Clientele, Enter The Wu, Tical, Judgement Day, GZA’ album, Forever n other classics album? We can’t be so good everytime, but also can’t u fuck The RZA in he bad moment! Whatever beat came up in wu album it will b always a bomb fuckin bitch. Wu Tang iz forever muhfucka, it ain’t dirthsouth shit, it’z real underground hip hop, where it all started niggaz, New York.

      • MajorPain

        YOU DUMB MOTHERFUCKER WHY WOULD YOU LET ANYTHING ABOUT THE SOUTH ESCAPE YOUR FILTHY PROBABLY WHITE DON’T KNOW SHIT BOUT RAP MOUTH. IF I WERE AROUND YOU I’D SMACK THE DISRESPECTFUL LIL IDEAS ABOUT THE SOUTH FROM YOUR ASS LIKE FIRE.IT AIN’T CALLED THE DIRTY SOUTH FOR NOTHING YOU ITIE PIECE OF SHIT, YOU CHINKY EYED NOODLE CHOMPIN NUT CHEWING PIECE OF SHIT RAG. I PISS ON YOU HATIN MOTHERFUCKERS. KEEP THE SOUTH OUT YOUR MOUTH, AND WE MIGHT STAY OUT YOU NIGGAS BITCHES.

    • Malone

      40 year old men rappin about Karate = garbage

      larious

    • meditate

      40 year old men (or any age man) rapping about selling drugs, guns, drinking and fucking in the VIP of the club like it is the thing to do = garbage

      40 year old men interupting the grammy’s to say WU-TANG is for the kids = definition of REALNESS

    • spidertical1

      this coming from a trannie, what the fusk you know bout hip-hop?

  • DirtDogggy

    I just don’t understand why they didn’t complain about the beats while they were recording shit for fuck sayks, the albums done now they say the beats are do-doo ? besides when everyones jelouse of each other and hating within your own family this is the shit that happens. Just like Kobe and Shaq, egos got in the way and fucked the whole dynasty, no Shaq = no title period, no RZA = no WU period, they might as well start fresh and change everything including their name without RZA and Dirt, everything has to come to an end, just like my boy Roy Jones JR, he was the nicest ever now where the fuck is he ?

    • L.A.King

      Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, how do those words taste. LOL!

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  • Biz Boogie

    Please. Ain’t no way in the world Bol believes what the hell he just posted today. He probably couldn’t even keep a straight face typing that shit. Bol, we all know that you are XXL’s resident shock blogging hater but come on – you’re just horrendous now. At least post some semi-believable shit. RZA’s beats on this new album is beautiful shit. Stick to what you know – anything other than hip hop.

    • smokefree

      Biz:

      Please tell me this Wu album isn’t a disaster like this dude claims.

  • Combat Jack

    ^”In the interim, what has the RZA done? I’m asking partly because it’s not like I’m the guy’s motherfucking biographer”

    Hip Hop quotable.

  • Colonades

    LOL…Why didn’t Bol spoke about Masta Killa…he don’t had beef with anyone?
    Peace out…

  • sATaLyte

    ATL = All Trannies Live
    ^^
    Stop soiling the name of my beautiful city kneegrow.

    The world will mourn the day it forgot to listen to Raekwon.

    Ghost stay touring, really the only rapper keeping hip hop alive.

    Jay-Z = too good to write
    Nas = officially over
    Rest of old hip hop acts right now = doo doo

  • Josh

    For fear of sounding like Rza’ biographer, he’s been pretty much scoring movie soundtracks and whatnot, and let’s not forget Afro Samurai.

    That Afro Samurai soundtrack was pretty dope.

    He also, if I’m not mistaken, scored both Kill Bill movies, one of the Blade movies, Soul Plane (yikes), and probably some more stuff that I can’t seem to think of.

    But, yeah, it’s been pretty obvious that Rza and the Clan aren’t on the same page anymore.

    I haven’t listened to the leak yet, because I tend not to listen to albums until they actually come out, but I wasn’t expecting much.

    Though, peace to Sincere for sending me two links.

    My guess is that Rifkind reached out to Rza and said “Wouldn’t it be ill if we did another Wu album?”

    And he didn’t really think about whether it would work or not.

    After all, Rifkind’s been struggling to find something/someone that will keep him in business other than Akon.

    See: loud.com and battlerap.com (I think that’s what’s its called).

    David Banner, as ill as he might be, hasn’t been able to come back from “Play.”

    Pharoah flopped.

    Melissa Jimenez is ill, but I don’t see her getting big.

    Terror Squad ain’t over there anymore, and Joe’s been doing aight on his own with Imperial.

    Topic? No buzz.

    I can’t think of anything else.

    This was a gamble.

    Rifkin was hoping that all the late-20somethings (late 70s babies if you will (Sickamore’s been a blogging machine since he left xxlmag.com by the way)) whose lives were changed by the Wu (read: me and my friends) would go out and buy this album en mass.

    He’s probably right to an extent.

    1/2 of us don’t download stuff anyway.

    But 1/4 of us probably don’t even listen to hip-hop anymore unless it’s hip-pop.

    But I digress.

    If the Clansmen (no David Duke) have such a problem with Rza, they probably shouldn’t have signed that fucked up contract with Wu-Tang Productions back in ’93.

    Yeah, Rifkind let them all pursue non-Loud solo deal, but they were all tied to Rza until the birth of their first born grandsons (which I suppose is close to happening for Gza and U-God (and ain’t Ghost’s son like 19????).

    In any event, if you look back through history, Ghost co-executive produced most good Wu albums.

    That tells me something.

    Rza should’ve at least paid Ghostface what he owes him, executive produced this album with him, and then maybe Bol’s negative ass would’ve had something good to say about this album.

  • Vee

    After a couple of his losses, Roy is still fighting. He fights Trinidad next early 2008.

  • Dollar Wells

    The hip-hop equivalent of that guy Pink Floyd’s Wish You Were Here was about, except without the sense to go buy a house somewhere and spend the rest of his life tending to his garden.

    Sounds like Bol caught the Syd Barrett doc on VH-1 Classics this Thanksgiving. Floyd sure sucked every last bit of milage outta his crazy ass. But the Dylan docs were still better …

  • concerned hater

    It would have been nice to see sunz of man on this joint, not to mention shorty shit stain.

  • http://www.myspace.com/sogentllc LowEndofDaChi

    Since Ghostface is obviously the only one in the group who can consistently tell the difference between a good idea and a bad one, I say he should be the leader of any post-RZA Wu-Tang Clan.
    ———————————————-

    LMAO!

    I cosign this and with the majority of Josh’s (DJ Sickamore?) comment. The last few Ghostface albums have been pretty damn ill, why not let him have more input on the creative process?

    I’m willing to put up my next paycheck on the basis that Ghost’s new joint will kill 8 Diagrams.

    On my mama.

    • Josh

      I’ll tell you this much about Ghost’s new album:

      “White Linen Affair (The Toney Awards)” produced by Frequency & Scram Jones is fire.

  • http://www.myspace.com/sogentllc LowEndofDaChi

    Since Ghostface is obviously the only one in the group who can consistently tell the difference between a good idea and a bad one, I say he should be the leader of any post-RZA Wu-Tang Clan.
    ———————————————-

    LMAO!

    I cosign this and with the majority of Josh’s (DJ Sickamore?) comment. The last few Ghostface albums have been pretty damn ill, why not let him have more input on the creative process?

    I’m willing to put up my next paycheck on the basis that Ghost’s new joint will kill 8 Diagrams.

    On my mama.

    • Fire

      I’m willing to put up my next paycheck on the basis that Ghost’s new joint will kill 8 Diagrams.

      On my mama.
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
      Couldn’t have said it better myself. Ghost is the Clan’s current best MC, give him more creative input.

  • kritiq

    wu tang is for the kids………

  • concerned hater

    this is gonna do big numbers in poland and brazil btw.. don’t front

  • Jules

    While I do actually enjoy a lot of the new album (Wolves is a dope fucking song) I do agree that a Wu-Tang without RZA wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world ~ I guess the only real issue would be if he’d bogart any of ODB’s unreleased material.

  • b-ease

    DirtDogggy says:

    I just don’t understand why they didn’t complain about the beats while they were recording shit for fuck sayks, the albums done now they say the beats are do-doo ?

    ^^^^^^^^

    The members usually lay down their verses to drum tracks, and RZA does whatever he wants with really makes the beats AFTER the vocals are finished. At least that’s the impression I got reading articles about their recording process.

    • Cinsere819

      I know that’s def. true about “Liquid Swords.” I remember Gza saying in some interview that he laid everything down and then Rza took care of the rest…and when it was done he heard it and was like “oh SHIT!” If only that still worked…

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  • Cinsere

    Cosign every last word!

  • http://MYSPACE.COM/SBWANDDONP Chris Newberry

    Yo, word is born, all of you can eat a shit sandwich, for real. Ya’ll kill me with how you give groups like Outkast all the props in the world for making an album that sounds nothing like the last one they made, but then you wanna turn your head at Wu Tang when they don’t make something that sound just like “36 Chambers”. Here goes a newsflash to you people, they made that shit 15 years ago! If they were making joints like “36 Chambers” now, same sound and everything, ya’ll would bitch just as much about the joint. hell, half of you ddid not appreciate “Forever” until now. SO I am going to ignore you clowns, go cop the LP on the 11th, listen to some good music, and wait a few years to hear ya’ll talk about how great the album is and how slept on it was.

    • LOL

      word is born?

      anyways..outkast made a good album..wu-tang did not.

      it boils down to that

      • Fire

        LOL,
        How do you consider Enter The Wu Tang:36 Chambers to not be good? That’s an undisputed classic. Also, the first round of solo albums, mainly OB4CL, Liquid Swords, and Ironman, are all undisputed classics as well. I’m a fan of both Wu and Outkast (Southernplayalistic and ATLiens are my favorites), so I know that both groups make good music.

  • Tray

    I don’t actually think the beats on 8 Diagrams are bad beats, I just think the old-fogy rappers who comprise WTC have no idea what to do with them. At this point GZA and Rae can only sound good over boom-bappy shit. I’m not sure who exactly would sound comfortable over some of these beats, but musically they’re good enough.

  • God

    You have never made a good point….ever. Album is sick, beats are good, Gza has the best verse on the album. Is there anything else you missed? Sure lets let Raekwon pick the beats. And we’ll end up with Ice Cream Part 2 and Immobilarity instead of Cuban Links. Or HOw about Ghost, whose album suffered from a bunch of terrible beats if nothing else. He made Back Like That. You just don’t have an ear for real music, its fine alot of people don’t.

    • http://www.myspace.com/sogentllc LowEndOfDaChi

      Wow. The last few Ghostface albums have shitted on any thing the RZA’s worked on album wise in quite some time. I’ll even go out on a limb to say that Ghost’s spin off click, Theodore Unit, may have done better with their last joint than the Wu will do this time around with 8 Diagrams. On most of the songs I’ve heard so far, Raekwon sounds like he sipped massive doses of Nyquil before hitting the booth, and who gives a fuck about what the rest of those guys have to say anyway, outside of Ghost, Meth, and maybe GZA. RZA’s verses have always been laughable, U-God spits the same shit every song exactly the same way, Masta Killah comes with some extra boring shit that’s not even halfway clever, and Inspektah Deck is…blah. And this coming from a fan of the early Wu years, you know, when their shit was fresh.

      • mustamies

        Funny thing that RZA pointed out is that only ONE gold album has came from Wu since 01, when RZA stopped being all over their albums.

        8 Diagrams is dope, so fuck you. And U-God was on fire on the album.

        And 8 Diagrams is fresh, bitch.

  • http://www.afds.com disappointed wu fan

    birth of a prince was like a nutella sandwich u fuck a.k.a good cd

  • fbita

    MSG/Fast food has obviously done a number on bol’s body.

  • frank

    Man, i just don’t know how you are gonna listen to an album one time and know anything about it.

    Especially with a dude like the RZA who is trying to be on some next shit.

  • julie

    damn…i’m gonna need a minute to acclimate myself to the idea that i am agreeing with something bol has to say.

  • gluvnast

    just heard the lastest ghost’s album…..CERTIFIED WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY BETTER THAN 8 DIAGRAMS, IN FACT MAYBE RIGHT UP THERE WITH UP THERE WITH SUPREME CLIENTELE

    you can listen to it on the def jam site

    http://music.defjam.com/www2/av_player/AVPlayer.php?av_product_id=2577&av_asset_id=12340&av_link_group_id=52&av_type_id=1&cms_site_id=1

    RZA lost on this

    • Staten Island G0NN Runner

      Dude, you have got to be kidding me. 8 DIagrams is better than the W and Iron Flagg. Just below Forever. Your a miserable Wanka.

      Rza’s style is not appreciated cauz he is ahead of your time. Go review a lil’ Wayne cd.

      There is a little beef right now over money. It will get solved and the Wu Will be back.

      I do think that Rza and Ghost should be co-exec. producers on the next album.

      Wu – TanG Fo ever

  • LOL @ Moronism

    It shows once more that the average HipHop fan is a sad little man with his brain capacity not exceeding that of a monkey.

    The music on 8 Diagrams is years ahead of the current state of HH, it is very innovative and original. For me 8D is easily the best album of ’07, the soundscapes are just phenomenal. It makes sense that most people don’t get it, after all the ‘rappers’ that run rap right now are on the same level as their fans (mentally at least, financially its a little different).

    The other thing, there can’t be a Wu Tang album without RZA. He owns the Wu brand, so regardless, he in fact could fire ALL of them if he likes to.

    RZA is ahead. Same as his first Bobby Digital album, I thought it was futuristic back then, but it still is. 8 Diagrams is great today and will be a great album in 2017. In 2017 all the current garbage, nobody will listen to that anymore.

  • http://saywhatyouwillaboutboladianadianism.atleastitsanethos.edu armen boladian

    witty wu tang is unpredictable
    witty wu tang is unpredictable

  • princerudynasim

    witty wu-tang is garbage
    witty wu-tang is garbage
    rather listen to the beach boys
    yo what up BOL

  • Lajm

    I think everyone these days is too used to shitty albums that take one listen to comprehend and call garbage. Wu tang albums aint like that. I had to listen to Forever quite a few times before i liked it, now i love it. Same goes for The W, which had a few missteps but a lot of good tracks. Iron Flag i’m not down with though. My point being that 8 Diagrams is on some next level type shit musically and you need some time to get used to that.

    • http://www.myspace.com/sogentllc LowEndofDaChi

      So brainwash yourself long enough and eventually, you’ll like it?

      Thats pretty clever.

      • Lajm

        No, what I’m saying is these aren’t candy beats. You need a little more time to get with them than the usual shit. Plus Wu changes up their style all the time so it’s never gonna be what you expected and therefore you often get disappointed.

  • smokefree

    I love how people just shit on producers and rappers now on the internet.

    RZA used to be looked at in the same regard as Dr. Dre. Now some crap columnist is shittin’ on him and everyone else piles on.

    Last time I checked RZA has CLASSICS under his belt. Until you put some CLASSICS out shut the F up!

    Check the resumes of these artists before you put them out to pasture.

    Are you ready to put OutKast out to pasture?

  • CMoney

    What I don’t get, is a year ago, RZA did a good job with the “State Of Grace” beat, so something might be going on.

    I won’t give out my opinion of the album until it’s actually out in stores.

  • daesonesb

    You know, I’m content just to listen to all the old wu tang shit … and get my fix updated every 7 or 8 months when new ghostface albums come out.

    Frankly, I dont really want to hear new shit from raekwon or the GZA …. or even method man for that matter. They havent made good shit since the 90′s.

    Of those three, i think meth could still put out a dope album, if he started being a little smarter with the beats he chose.

    ID LIKE TO HEAR A METHOD MAN AND GHOSTFACE COLLABORATION. THAT WOULD BE DOPE. and it would sell.

  • sATaLyte

    word is born
    ^^
    (Dave Chappelle’s son’s voice)

    Hilarious!

  • http://www.rzasucksballs.com RZA

    my production days are over

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  • mark

    who do you listen to atl.

  • ThingAlec

    The W>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    That album IS a masterpiece, Bol. I even like it better than the bloated Forever.

  • def-o

    Jesus effin’ christ what went wrong here?

    Wu-Tang without RZA? riiiight, now the clan have issues it seems, and they’ve been airing it for the past month or so, but as far as i’m concerned it’s not the beats or “8 Diagrams”, cause that album is a beast, there’s always things you won’t like or think is flawed there’s stuff like that on the “Forever” album too

    “8 Diagrams” is sick and well cool, RZA did and great job, granted not his best, but super none the less, so whatever problems the Clan has besides this they need to sit the eff’ down and figure it out…

    Now listening to “Big Doe Rehab” right now, mmm well it’s okay, but not up to par with “8 Diagrams” sry… and Raekwon’s last effort sorta “Ice Water: Poluted Water” wasn’t that good either, so yeah…

    Have a sit down guys(the Clan) please, and work this shit out, what does ODB think when he looks down from above…

    //def-o

  • Who Dat?

    Effects of the interenet(S) on the rap industry –
    1) “Columnists” like a one so called Bol who have acquired ( somehow )adequate acumen to review albums.

    2) Stans who gargle out their approval of whatever the bloggers write and cannot be heard quite right because they got the bloggers dikc in their mouth.

    3) Every one putting in their opinion on what is whack when they probably have been listening to rap since Outkast released Ms Jackson.

    4) People no longer buying CDs ( I’m guilty too)

    Now think about it. Rappers cant sell CDs and to add insult to injury, bloggers who aren’t even man enough to look straight into a camera ( that parker report tish was PATHETIC Bol )critique their art from a basement wearing nothing but soiled lingerie. That is the state of things…. LAWDY!!

  • meditate

    seriously. anybody who hates on the wu … if they get out of line break the f’n arm….

    anyways… to ATL …. please do not attempt to post a comment again pertaining to the WU.

    40 year old men rappin about karate = garbage?
    i assume you would rather hear 40 year old men, or any age man for that matter, rap about selling crack, holding guns, getting drunk in the vip, and fucking hoes??
    if so, i hope you enjoy. don’t come crying when judgement day hits you son.

  • http://grandgood.com G

    rza not handling the beats on a wu album would effectually make it a non-wu album.

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  • ThingAlec

    Here’s what I think. That instead of the guys that Ghostface recruits for his albums. Have Mathematics become the new RZA. I mean look at all the awesome shit he’s done. Cause I think a Wu album should sound like a Wu album and not a Ghost album because there is a fine line between the two. Also I see what you mean about the GZA. Which is too bad. He’s my fave Wu member. But hopefully he’ll smartedn up with that Pro Tools joint he has coming out in January.

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  • THEFEVER

    Everyone should just chill the fuck out!
    Rza was the one who came up with the whole wu idea in the first place
    Rza was the one who produced or directed any wu album worth talking about.
    If Rza wants to try a new direction let him, you can’t expect someone to stay still and do the same thing over & over again can u? If he made a 36 chambers pt.2 ya’ll would be dissing him on some “oh he did that again?”. Look when miles went into new directions alot of the jazz comunity fronted, they weren’t ready for it. Years later those same dudes are all over his dick.Every Stevie Wonder album isn’t dope but there is no disputing his genius is there?
    Let it marinate for a bit, look at it from more than just one angle, and then thank Rza for giving hip hop the greatest group to date!

    P.S. Bol you an idiot for trying to diss the Gza straight up!!!!

  • RPX13

    this album is whack but Outkast’s albums are dope?…don’t get u man….seriously don’t get u?

  • soloo

    he did NOT just say the GZA sucks. thats f’ing ridiculous.

    • Hann

      8 Diagrams aint as bad as some make it out 2 be. 36 chambers,wu-tang forever, 8 Diagrams. nucc@z need to listen to it with hip hop ears, if u want to 2 step and superman hoes this shit aint for u. Rza keep doing your thing thing.

  • Pierzy

    Raekwon called RZA a “hip-hop hippie” – the absolute definition of everything he was railing against on the intro to disc 2 of “Triumph.” Maybe RZA needs some gatorade and a cheeseburger to get back to normalcy…

  • the G.O.D

    Peace

    First of all, if I remember correctly a lot of people did not get “36 chambers” on the first go around, and same thing with “Wu forever” and as far as “Iron Flag’ and the ‘W’
    forgetaboutit—Thus these people are not expected to ‘get’ “8 Diagrams”—and therefore should stick to listen to Camron, Jim Jones, Soulja Boy, Mims etc…

    Calling the Gza’s verses on 8 Diagrams weak is dumb; the feeling is that he should have been present on almost every track, but then I remember his words of keep things short= make ‘em twice strong–Lyrics sun got lyrics for days–go back and listen to some of his shit. Meth sounds rejuvenated, Rae is always Rae, except y’all keep expecting him to make anothet OB4CL 2, 3, 0r 4, you get the point–go listen to the Vatican Mixtapes-peep the Rakim tribute—Ghost has been doing Ghost, funny thing is none of y’all went and copped More Fish or Big Doe Rehab–Master Killa killed his verses and surprisingly flipped his flow-
    INS–straight Fire–even Cappo came out lighting up s—t–U-God well,you know, he tries as usual.
    As far as caling them old, well we all have to get there—who’s carrying the weight? (go watch 106 whatever from now ’till whenever and the Mickey mouse–Fred Flinstone flavor of the day rappers) yep…nobody

    Peace

  • the G.O.D

    Peace

    First of all, if I remember correctly a lot of people did not get “36 chambers” on the first go around, and same thing with “Wu forever” and as far as “Iron Flag’ and the ‘W’
    forgetaboutit—Thus these people are not expected to ‘get’ “8 Diagrams”—and therefore should stick to listening to Camron, Jim Jones, Soulja Boy, Mims etc…

    Calling the Gza’s verses on 8 Diagrams weak is dumb; the feeling is that he should have been present on almost every track, but then I remember his words of keep things short= make ‘em twice strong–Lyrics sun got lyrics for days–go back and listen to some of his shit. Meth sounds rejuvenated, Rae is always Rae, except y’all keep expecting him to make anothet OB4CL 2, 3, 0r 4, you get the point–go listen to the Vatican Mixtapes-peep the Rakim tribute—Ghost has been doing Ghost, funny thing is none of y’all went and copped More Fish or Big Doe Rehab–Master Killa killed his verses and surprisingly flipped his flow-
    INS–straight Fire–even Cappo came out lighting up s—t–U-God well,you know, he tries as usual.
    As far as caling them old, well we all have to get there—who’s carrying the weight? (go watch 106 whatever from now ’till whenever and the Mickey mouse–Fred Flinstone flavor of the day rappers) yep…nobody

    Peace

  • Laz

    what they hell do you know about good ideas, rae, and rza do you mean in music, because the rza is brillent way beyound just mu raekwon also, please go deeper its moran rap it’s a lifestyle and here partner- get ya mind right , then write something worth me reading.

    Laz

  • Skoob

    Nobody can deny the fact that RZA produced EPICS, not songs, not albums, EPICS, and all hating considered, none of the members of Wu would be anywhere without RZA… all the complaining and hating makes them sound so ungrateful. Rza is a capable producer, and also a musical genius which is why he’s sought after by the Hollywood filmmakers… aside from being a genius in music, he’ also a capable lyricist and a charismatic dude on camera, an author, actor, director, etc. and a tastemaker, and someone with an eye and ear for talent. He put the Wu together and gave them a shot when nobody else woud. Name one producer OR rapper from that era that has progressed into other things and still pushes forward, and is still relevant at this time… there is none! We can cry about the old days and the quality not being like it was, but that’s not going to change anything. The fact he lost his beats and discs and records in a flood along with his album THE CURE, he didn’t quit, he progressed and moved onto other things.