Why the Giuliani hatred?

Someone with the tools and the talent ought to conduct a survey, but I wouldn’t be surprised if quite a few of the people who read this site are planning on voting for a Republican in the next election. Er, at least more than you’d think.

Of course I wouldn’t piss on a Republican if one caught fire (especially before I was certain he was dead), but at the same time I’d be lying if I said I would be too pissed off if one managed to win next year’s election. As far as I’m concerned, these assholes are all cut from the same cloth.

If you notice though, Rudy Giuliani, who’s leading the Republican candidates in the polls, could very well be the most polarizing cracka-ass cracka in politics whose name isn’t George W. Bush. Obviously quite a few people on the right are riding with him in the next election, but pretty much everyone I’ve ever met from New York can’t stand the guy. I wonder why that is.

Obviously his main claim to fame is that he’s the Mayor of 9/11. Where as President Sieg Howdy himself spent 9/11 down in Florida reading My Pet Goat to some ghetto kindergarteners who are probably in jail by now, and Dick Cheney was holed up in a bunker out here in the flyover states, Giuliani was out there in the thick of the asbestos dust getting his leadership on.

Granted I’m not sure what he did on 9/11 that was really that impressive, but his record in New York up until that point pretty much speaks for itself. I had never been there pre-Giuliani’s tenure as mayor, but I heard that shit was fucked the fuck up: people doing all kinds of drugs right there in the street; pr0no theaters in Time Square; stick-up kids. You go there today and the shit’s like Disney World.

Any of you d-bags are certainly free to enlighten me, but I think the main gripe with Giuliani, especially from the hip-hop community, is that he went a little overboard in cleaning up the streets. He may have made it so you can walk around at night without having a gun shoved in your face, but he also threw an insane amount of people in jail, not to mention the ones he let the cops kill and rape with plungers and so on and so forth.

Admittedly, noted contrarian that I am, even I’m not gonna come out in favor of raping a guy with a plunger. But I do wonder if Giuliani doesn’t get a bad rap.

At the risk of using what’s gonna come off as a “you gotta break a few eggs to make an omelet” argument, I’ll put it like this: Jigs get killed by the police here in St. Louis all the time, and you should see some of our rough areas. I would imagine they’re way worse than New York, back when it was fucked up. Lest we forget, St. Louis is currently considered the most dangerous city in the US. If you ‘bags don’t want him up there, I’d be glad to have him work some of his plunger magic down here. Nullus.

Also, it’s been a while since Giuliani was mayor. I’ve spent a decent amount of time there during the Michael Bloomberg era, and I can’t imagine it’s that much different than it was back then – except, of course, for the big-ass hole in the ground. Crime is still way down, and there was even a Diallo-style shooting a year or so ago. And yet, Bloomberg doesn’t seem to be nearly as reviled. If I’m not mistaken, he was even backed by Russell Simmons in the last election.

Which is not to suggest that Russell Simmons is any sort of standard bearer when it comes to political attitudes in the hip-hop community. For all we know, Michael Bloomberg, whom I believe is Jewish, could be a member of the DeBeers family, which would of course make him business partners with Rush and hence explain everything. But I wonder if this seemingly irrational hatred of Rudy Giuliani isn’t just more evidence of the same lack of emotional maturity that leads black people to vote for the Democrats in such overwhelming majorities.

What do you ‘bags think? 

  • ddubbzz

    wow

  • House Negro

    Rudy cleaned up New York for real. I lived through pre and post-Rudy NY and the only people who hate him are criminals and their admires as well as people who think Piss Christ is art.

  • thoreauly77

    hmm. interesting political analysis bol. the twenty minutes you spent thinking of this and writing it were very well spent.

    i think guiliani is reviled because he is a republican schmuck and the only people that like him are schmucks. however, your point about all of them being cut from teh same cloth is pretty damn astute. i think edwards is the only one right now that is actually stating real problems and suggesting how to change them and how they would be implemented; the rest of them are sticking to their pre-programmed responses and middling.

    = my .02

  • The Real Bishop

    I think it’s especially weird that Guiliani isn’t supported by more traditional democratic voters (black people and women) who are disillusioned by the observable or apparent lack of stones from past and current candidates like Kerry, Edwards, H.R.C. and company. After all, the guy doesn’t give a shit about Roe v. Wade, which most republicans hate like satan and most conservatives (including my personal man-of-destiny, Antonin Scalia) think is rotten law. I think it has a lot to do with the fact that hating republicans is mostly what unites democrats, and policy, personal, moral, and societal beliefs are what unite most conservatives.

    Also, he’s taken a fair amount of credit for putting a hit on crime in New York, which pisses off some people who think the credit should go to William Bratton (who isn’t doing jack shit here in Los Angeles, btw), and pisses off other people (probably black people, since white people hate graffiti) who object to his methods, which were basically (as I understand them) to get real punitive on anybody who commits a minor offense like tagging, being homeless, or generally being up-to-no-good… he created an appearance of safety and trusted actual safety would follow. What a concept. (oddly, the most significant crime drop was in Newark, but whatever)

    Lastly, he’s been accused in many places of profiting off of his role in the whole 9/11 fiasco. His approval rating shot up about 38 percent, and all he did was basically cruise around and make speeches, although at least, as you alluded to, he was visible. Plus, in the aftermath, he’s made a shitload of money giving speeches about being himself, I guess. Obviously his net worth probably went through the roof after 9/11, and this probably rubs some people the wrong way. Personally, I say get your money, and I would have done the same thing.

  • Banga

    Giuliani messed a lot of things in my city, that’s why the nypd are gung-ho.

  • cc

    Good post. I’ve always wondered why New Yorker’s hated Giuliani. From an outsiders perspective he seemed positive. I’m not sure who I will vote for next year. I’m a woman and I hate Hillary and her higher than thou attitutide. I like Obama. My hesitance in voting democratic is I HATE their WEAK stance on immigration. As a Russian/Sicilian my people had to play by the rules when they came here, learn english and adapt (even adopted American sounding names), and I will be DAMNED if we make an exception for ANYONE. I won’t lie, I am considering voting Republican, and Giuliani is at the top of my list. At the end of the day, they are all liars anyway.

  • og bobby j

    the only thing i can say is that guliani dont play….he might fuck around on his wife….stop the chinos from sellin fireworks….but he would limit it to only 1 stick up on the morning commute a week…its a give and take ya know

  • http://XXL.com Rich

    Giuliani was just a lightining rod for the city. He had a whole lot of detractors, but for the most part he was seen as a bully sometimes. The resentment stemmed from the race relations, fresh off Mayor Dinkins I think the whole city wasn’t sure how race relations were going to carry out. It just seemed that when he was in office TOO much $hit happened and he sorta had a bullshit response to it. Where Bloomberg almost chastised the cops in the Bell case, Giuliani wouldve just thumbed his nose up and said something like “we need to investigate” (which isnt a bad answer)and readily took the cops side. Giuliani wasn’t playing when it came to “quality of life” crimes, which at times were trivial, but helpful. I’m surprised by how difficult of a time he’s having now, but he needs to get off that “america’s mayor” shit cuz in nyc when his term was up we all were ready to punch his ticket outta town, until bin laden and bush did it for him.

  • JD3

    “Obviously his main claim to fame is that he’s the Mayor of 9/11. Where as President Sieg Howdy himself spent 9/11 down in Florida reading My Pet Goat to some ghetto kindergarteners who are probably in jail by now, and Dick Cheney was holed up in a bunker out here in the flyover states, Giuliani was out there in the thick of the asbestos dust getting his leadership on.”

    Bol, so on 9/11 Pres. Bush and Cheney should have flown to ground zero at the same time? Giuliani was there because he was the damn mayor of NYC where the shit happened. dont be stupid Bol. uh… too late u fuckin moron

  • womacc

    interesting. bol, the new yorker did a great feature on what you’re talking about.
    what new yorkers hate about rudy is what the heartland might love, and that might make him the next president.

    you guys should check the article, very good, and good post bol:

    http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/08/20/070820fa_fact_boyer/

  • Moe Real

    So first you give a blowski to C Ray Wallz in some bar, and now you offer to give Rudy G. the same, uh, treatment if he makes the trip to St. Louis. Crank that.

  • CMoney

    Guiliani > G.W. Bush anyday

  • SUPREME BLACKMAN

    I TOLD YOU ALL THIS NIGGA WANTS TO BE A CRACKER.
    ALWAYS CRACKING ON THE POOR AND MAKING JOKES ABOUT POOR BLACK KIDS. YOUR DAY IS COMING BIG GIRL!

  • http://xxlmag.com Billy X. Sunday

    Bol,
    Giuliani is reviled by true NYC’ers because he’s an opportunistic shitbag who threw his own family under the bus to maintain his political aspirations. The ppl he brought into NYC politics were all fuckwads as well and they proceeded to treat NYC contracts like their own personal fiefdom. He is just like a Bush except his name ends in a vowel so he will NEVER be president.

    We have never had a president whose last name ended with a vowel (excluding ‘Y’)

  • Around and Around

    ppl he brought into NYC politics were all fuckwads as well and they proceeded to treat NYC contracts like their own personal fiefdom
    ————–
    Sounds like the Chi must be something about Italians……

  • http://xxlmag.com Billy X. Sunday

    Furthermore, I became a registered Republican just because of Guiliani.

    You can’t vote in the Republican primaries unless you are registered with the party, and I will do my civic duty to make sure that I vote for any Republican NOT named Rudolph Giuliani.

    You got to go into the matrix to change that shit. Black niggas been voting kneejerk for Democrats for two score and all we get is more dope in the ‘hood.

    Not dope meaning dope, but dope meaning drugs.

  • stoneyisland

    Rudy G is a impotent, power hungry republican dickhead, only a uncle tom ass nigga would vote for this dude, not because of his color but because of his blantantkly racist politics.

  • Cuban Link

    Giuliani was the best mayor of NY.He went down to the towers and was taking control of the whole thing, and doing as good of a job as you can do at a time like that with calming people down.Bloomberg is a piece of shit, he didnt keep the crime rate down, he just figured how to hide it way better than anyone before.Unlike most politicians, I actually have respect for Giuliani.I think that cracka from Law & Order is the only candidate capable of making America as fucked up as before 9/11 (the towers, not Kanye & Fiddy) but Giluliani is prolly the next best thing.

    And besides, Id vote for the ginny over the bitch anyday.

  • Tuco

    “We have never had a president whose last name ended with a vowel (excluding ‘Y’)”

    We’ve had 4.

  • http://www.exposinhoes.com EXPOSER

    Billy X. Sunday Says:

    September 7th, 2007 at 3:09 pm
    Bol,
    Giuliani is reviled by true NYC’ers because he’s an opportunistic shitbag who threw his own family under the bus to maintain his political aspirations. The ppl he brought into NYC politics were all fuckwads as well and they proceeded to treat NYC contracts like their own personal fiefdom. He is just like a Bush except his name ends in a vowel so he will NEVER be president.

    We have never had a president whose last name ended with a vowel (excluding ‘Y’)
    ^^^
    Hey look its the lard ass immature wanna be superhero self worshiper know it all faggot who needs a shave. Hey fat boy, I bet you glad theres a McDs on every corner now and your soft ass isnt gettin stuck for your ghetto bic mac money Dallas penn you scary ass pussyclot hoecake faggot. Thats right Im back bitch, no vaseline guliani plungerin thats ass beyatch!

    You have been… EXPOSED!

  • The Spaniard

    “He went down to the towers and was taking control of the whole thing, and doing as good of a job as you can do at a time like that with calming people down”

    WTF? Jesus Fucking-H Christ!

    Kill yourself and stop using the extra oxygen, simpleton.

    I was about to post a laundry list of shit wrong with Giuliani and his policies but then I figured that anyone who really gave a shit would know already.

    Rudy Giuliani. Get the fuck out of here.

  • http://sackandballs.tv ballsack

    thank god billy x sunday does not have the right to vote…i think…hes a retard.

  • og bobby j

    CUBAN LINK says

    And besides, Id vote for the ginny over the bitch anyday.

    COsign that

  • T.R.E.Y.

    ^ uh oh, the 15-year old intellecshooawl’s back

  • Tray

    Another sensible post from Bol. Next I want you to do one about the greatness of Clarence Thomas.

  • # her :

    I think the main concern with Giuliani is his Gestapo tactics. Yeah he may have cleaned up NYC, but he did so by cracking some motherfucking heads, so to speak. If you put someone like that in the office of US President, well, you know, look at the last 6.5 years. What’s more frightening is that Giuliani seems to be a little more hardcore than Bush and his administration. Plus I heard Rudy Guli really don’t give a fuck about a muli. Word to CanOx.

  • Around and Around

    OG Dennis Kucinich

  • Tyler

    We think you need to get your facts straight by peepin’ LooseChange 9/11 so U can get the real deal banna peel on Giuliani before and after cause either way he is still workin’ for the Masons and the so called “Illuminati” so if U want 2 vote for you enemies then go right ahead.
    SolutionsGlobalMedia.com aka SGM7.com
    Love it or Hate it, Tell a Friend.

  • http://xxlmag.com DARK

    Billy X. Sunday Says:

    September 7th, 2007 at 3:15 pm
    Furthermore, I became a registered Republican just because of Guiliani.

    You can’t vote in the Republican primaries unless you are registered with the party, and I will do my civic duty to make sure that I vote for any Republican NOT named Rudolph Giuliani.

    You got to go into the matrix to change that shit. Black niggas been voting kneejerk for Democrats for two score and all we get is more dope in the ‘hood.

    Not dope meaning dope, but dope meaning drugs.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    u r a republican uncle tom like i been sayin.fuckin bush supportin ass nigger.quit the internt tough act billy same with bol we all know yall two is some erkel ass niggers who live in ur moms basment playin star track.faggots.

  • Fire

    Dark,
    Billy registered Republican so he could pick (in his mind) the most desirable element out of the Republican party instead of the people he doesn’t like. My guess is that he doesn’t hold Republican beliefs. It’s one way to go about it, I guess. I wouldn’t do that, but that’s what he’s trying to do.

  • SAADIQ 1

    The lack of intelligence and analytical thought is so obvious that it overwhelms me that you have so little self-esteem that you would actually publish this under your name.

    Next time, try to think BEFORE you write, DURING writing and then AFTER writing when you review it. You did review it??

    You remind me of everything that’s wrong with so-called Black Republicans infantile logic and a holier than thou, look at me I’m a SPECIAL black man perspective. No you aren’t special, you are a TOKEN, that obviously has trouble thinking for himself. Good luck in life SELL-OUT you are going to need it.

    By the way, I used ABSOLUTELY NONE of my post-graduate education in writing this because frankly I can’t take your foolish jigaboo ass seriously enough to spend any time on you.

    MAN UP, BEOTCH!!

    And if XXL wants to hire a real columnist HOLLA!!

  • guiliani eats smoked sausage

    I think the governing system is a fucking joke anyway none of these mutherfuckers ever do what they say there going to do or change anything after getting elected they take long vacations with the CEO of some fortune 500 and then go back to their office with marble foors and 60″ plasmas and wait for high class escorts to fuck them while they pretend to be loyal to their families at home. While the tax payers pay for it.

    The people should vote on every major issue through out each year not just a handfull of old farts that suck the dicks of corporate america for and extra $100000 in a paper bag each year and the President and Mayors are just puppets on a string the real power is in corporate america but they go hand in hand just like crack dealers and the phens go hand to hand.

  • http://www.myspace.com/thaanswermikeyd Mikey D

    I thought Newark was the nation’s most dangerous city. Nullus. Unless you want socialized (run by the government, aka slow and inefficient) and a fucked up foreign policy, Guiliani or any Republican (sans Ron Paul) is a must. Clinton would destroy us.

  • Cuban Link

    The Spaniard, uh, gtfoh.They dont air MSNBC or even Fox News in Mexico, so Im not surprised you dont know shit about 9/11

  • NoMamesBuey

    Giuliani is an autocratic, wanna-be dictator. Based off his frequent drag outfits, Giuliani is also a dic-taster, but that’s beside the point.

    Especially after the lost 2000s decade where America has been shitted on by Gee Dubbz, we can’t afford another wannabe dictator.

    Some of us want the Constitution, balance of powers, & civil rights restored.

    If you’re a ReThug vote McCain or Ron Paul. Those guys are at least mostly sane. Or if Bloomberg runs indy, you could vote for him.

  • NoMamesBuey

    If for nothing else, Giuliani doesn’t have the sense to be Pres because of this:

    1 In 1993 there was a terrorist attack on the World Trade center that killed like 5 people (Wiki that)

    2 Giuliani before 2001, decides to put his “anti-terrorist command center”) in THE WTC! DEE DEE DEE!

    3 In 2001-Sep-11, the anti-terrorist command center gets destroyed along with the WTC.

  • TheUltimate

    There’s a reason why every Black person who defends Fooliani isn’t from New York.

    Damn near every Black New Yorker knows that Fooliani ran New York like a totalitarian state and made NYPD his Gestapo.

    We know about the plights of Amadou Diallo, Abner Louima and Patrick Dorismond. Patrick Dorismond was shot by an undercover cop b/c Dorismond got upset when the undercover asked him for drugs Dorismond didn’t have. After Patrick was murdered by the cop (BTW Patrick didn’t know the undercover was a cop), Fooliani opened Dorismond’s closed juvenile records to the press, insisting that Dorismond “was no altar boy.” (BTW Dorismond was an altar boy as a kid.)

    In the Fooliani administration, police brutality ran rampant and ppl were locked for bullshit quality-of-life issues, and ppl were. Fooliani truly did not give a flying fuck about Black ppl.

    In addition, Fooliani took credit for every so-called success and blamed the previous administration for every problem.

    And his handling of 9/11 is overrated. Just Google “September 10″ and “Giuliani”

  • Rich Arte

    @billy x…Obama ends in a vowel…he’ll win.

    “I’m seein body after body and our mayor Guliani, aint tryin to see no black man turn to John Gotti”….Biggie.

    as far as I’m concerned, republicans never garnered my respect.

    Obama ’08

  • The Spaniard

    @Cuban Link

    You dumb fuck, Spain is in southern Europe.

    Spaniard = Spain, Mexican = Mexico.

    Which is besides the point because I am neither a Mexican or Spanish.

    …but what you are is an idiot (Idiotland?) if you think Guiliani did anything of any significance on 9/11 besides make great photo ops.

  • dolo

    Sadly but obviously giuliani got voted in (shout out to shaolin ) in nyc . so he can probably get nyc electoral which would mean he has a good chance as long as he sways da bible belt . Giulianis policy did not reduce crime.. that a myth he will swing from forever . real talk

  • http://misterrickyblackplanet.com BossGame

    BossGame Says:

    September 7th, 2007 at 2:27 pm
    @ AK D
    Listen hear faggot…FUCK YOU
    America = mass murdering mong ????
    You sound like a true spoken bitch…..I had 4 friends die in them towers….and still i refrain from saying fuck the muslims…and I am against the Iraq war as well. I can only assume that by my fellow man you mean peices of shit like you that sympathize with the weak and the enemy…However…to clear the record….
    Were people from all over the world, mostly Americans, not brutally murdered
    that day, in downtown Manhattan, across the Potomac from our nation’s capitol,
    and in a field in Pennsylvania ?

    Did nearly three thousand men, women and children die a horrible, burning or
    crushing death that day, or didn’t they?

    And I’m supposed to care that a copy of the Koran was “desecrated” when an
    overworked American soldier kicked it or got it wet?…Well, I don’t. I don’t
    care at all.

    I’ll start caring when Osama bin Laden turns himself in and repents for
    incinerating all those innocent people on 9/11.

    I’ll care about the “human beings” when the fanatics in the Middle East start caring
    about the innocent.

    I’ll care when these thugs tell the world they are sorry for hacking off Nick
    Berg’s head while Berg screamed through his gurgling slashed throat.

    I’ll care when the cowardly so-called “insurgents” in Iraq come out and fight
    like men instead of disrespecting their own religion by hiding in mosques.

    I’ll care when the mindless zealots who blow themselves up in search of
    nirvana care about the innocent children within range of their suicide bombs.

    I’ll care when the American media stops pretending that their First Amendment
    liberties are somehow derived from international law instead of the United
    States Constitution’s Bill of Rights.

    In the meantime, when I hear a story about a brave marine roughing up an Iraqi
    terrorist to obtain information, know this: I don’t care.

    When I see a fuzzy photo of a pile of naked Iraqi prisoners who have been
    humiliated in what amounts to a college-hazing incident, rest assured: I don’t
    care.

    When I see a wounded terrorist get shot in the head when he is told not to
    move because he might be booby-trapped, you can take it to the bank: I don’t
    care.

    When I hear that a prisoner, who was issued a Koran and a prayer mat and fed
    “special” food that is paid for by my tax dollars, is complaining that his holy
    book is being “mishandled,” you can absolutely believe in your heart of hearts:
    I don’t care.
    SO FUCK THEM….
    Co-sign on that…sorry TPAR but I trained Iraqis Soldier for a year and although I sympathized with their plight, when they blew my boys up it was a wrap for me. So when I go back in two months and they come with that foolishness I’m gonna lay em down wet in the street and keep moving. Whatever it takes to come home to my baby girl. Check out the videos we shot over there on my page. Got love for the kids!

  • drydock

    “As far as I’m concerned, these assholes are all cut from the same cloth.”

    Bol’s right on this point. These politicians are all pretty much douche bags. You can change them all you want, the system will still the same.

  • Hip Hop since 79′/ Raised under Reagan

    House Negro Says:

    September 7th, 2007 at 1:47 pm
    Rudy cleaned up New York for real. I lived through pre and post-Rudy NY and the only people who hate him are criminals and their admires as well as people who think Piss Christ is art.
    ^^^^^^^

    LMAO… That post made my day.

  • doctor69

    two words fuck ghouliani yeah he cleaned up crime but his cops used stop me every nine days saying I looked suspicious even I my own building he also never sat down with black elected officals even the mighty charles rangel oh yeah his response to helping welfare was laying people off the city then letting them on welfare then do workfare which was doing there same jobs they got laid off from , he was also a union buster ,and hated when reporters asked him real questions there’s a reason why the police,teachers and firemen of nyc hate him he was a dictator and dinkins actually started the crime drop by putting cops on a beat

  • Purple Hulk

    #
    Billy X. Sunday Says:

    September 7th, 2007 at 3:15 pm

    Furthermore, I became a registered Republican just because of Guiliani.

    You can’t vote in the Republican primaries unless you are registered with the party, and I will do my civic duty to make sure that I vote for any Republican NOT named Rudolph Giuliani.

    You got to go into the matrix to change that shit. Black niggas been voting kneejerk for Democrats for two score and all we get is more dope in the ‘hood.

    Not dope meaning dope, but dope meaning drugs.

    DAMN, YOUR REALLY GOING OUT OF YOUR WAY TO TRY TO STOP GULIANI, YOU GET ALOT OF RESPECT FOR THAT.
    RON PAUL NEEDS TO WIN THAT NOMINATION.

  • was u saying something?

    I’m registered Independent but have voted Republican in the past and more than likely will this next presidential election.

    When I was young I hated Giuliani. Only because I didn’t live in ny and didnt give a fuk about politics so hip hop was the only time I heard about him. And it led me to believe he was the antichrist (Anyone remember Screwball’s track “Who Shot Rudy?” Love that track but in retrospect that was some foul shit)

    Anyway as I got older and did my own research I realized my city (New Olreans) could use a damn Giuliani. If cleaning up the streets means “by any means necessary” then so be it. Cold blooded? Yes. But living in a city filled with cold blooded murderers kinda changes you alittle…or alot. Politicans, cops, and judges here are already crooked as fuk so why not have some kind of method to their madness.

    As a female I would LOVE to see a woman president but I’ll be damn if I vote for someone just because their a woman and that would be the only reason I’d vote for Hilliary. And Obama has yet to say anything about anything so as far as I’m concerned he thinks hes gonna win just being Obama and that shit is weak.

    Republicans will hopefully be smart enough to look past Giuliani’s liberal views on shit like abortion and realize they need him if they want to keep Hilliary from becoming president but the hard headed bastards might not think like that so we’ll have to wait and see

  • thoreauly77

    yo TPAR- what is your stance on sufi versus shiite? inquiring mind wants to know.

  • ApeDujeous

    First and foremost Giuliani is an asshole. This is guy who played his wife out in front of the whole city. She found out he was filing for divorce from a reporter. He doesn’t even talk to his own kids. This assholish-ness extends to public maters as well. When unarmed Patrick Dorismond was shot by a DT, Rudy unsealed the dude’s juvenile records to try to taint him. Plus, he’s not just an asshole, he’s a racist asshole. Bloomberg will at least feign sympathy when a cop shoots someone. Rudy automatically took the side of the cops and tried to smear the victim. Rudy basically didn’t even *meet* with any black leaders or community advocates for his last seven years in office. Oh, and then there’s the fact that his inaction in terrorism preparedness and police/firemen communications directly led to many deaths on 9-11. There’s the cracking down on NYC nightlife, one of its most important tourist attractions, economic engines, and cultural gems, on some Gestapo shit. It still hasn’t recovered, and NYC is a whole lot lamer as a result. There’s his support for the repeal of the rent control laws, which more than anything else has caused the gentrification and de facto ethnc and economic cleansing that is destroying the city’s traditional melting pot. There’s all the corporate giveaways he encouraged. There’s the school system and housing situation worsening to horrible levels under his watch. I could go on and on…..

  • http://xxlmag.com DARK

    thoreauly77 Says:

    September 8th, 2007 at 10:57 pm
    yo TPAR- what is your stance on sufi versus shiite? inquiring mind wants to know.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    excuse me its Sunni and Shiah and the conflict between the two is because. We Sunnis are followers of the Sunna, the traditions of the prophet as recoreded in the hadith, and belief in the succession caliphs through election frum the Koreish clan. while the Shiahs r follwers of Ali,with hereditary spiritual leaders the Immaams, decendents of Ali and Fatima.if u want to know this shit ask a moslem such as myself.and giulianni is a bitch fuck him fuck bol and fuck billy no x fagday.

  • VLsteve

    i’m starting to think TPAR is the only person who posts on this sight

  • TDanger19

    Bol’s got a point about politicians (Why is the Iraq clusterfuck still getting funded under the Dems? Anyone?), but I wouldn’t vote for Guliani if my life really did hang in the balance, and it’s for two reasons: That d-bag put the emergency command center (you know, the place where things would be ran in case of a terrorist attack) in the World Trade Center, AFTER it had already been targeted once. On top of that, he shilled for our current prez in the last election, saying that in the midst of the chaos he turned to someone and remarked (paraphrase) “Thank God Seig Howdy is our president”. (Besides the Seig Howdy part, that’s a direct quote.) Anyone who actually said something like that doesn’t deserve to run a New York hot dog stand, let alone a city or this nation.

  • thoreauly77

    thanks for the clarification dark, seriously. it’s important for people to understand other’s differences, wouldn’t you agree?
    so with that in mind, perhaps you might want to be a bit more respectful of other’s opinions and not do yourself the disservice of acting so ignorant all the time. i am not trying to diss, i am just saying.

  • http://xxlmag.com DARK

    thoreauly77 i only say that shit bout billy and bol because they have ignorant veiws of moslems as well as black ones as myself sayin they all terrorists and shit which is just plain ridicoulus and ignorant like it makes no sense for billy fagday to say he down for Malcolm x (a black moslem)but at the same time bash black moslems which is just bein a fuckin hipycrite.i bash those two for thier ignorant blogs and ignorant veiws on moslems if u understand wut im sayin.

  • robotsoncasiotones

    ignorant views would probably include those which require gay slurs to express them.

  • Around and Around

    DARK Says:

    September 9th, 2007 at 1:18 am
    thoreauly77 Says:

    September 8th, 2007 at 10:57 pm
    yo TPAR- what is your stance on sufi versus shiite? inquiring mind wants to know.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    excuse me its Sunni and Shiah and the conflict between the two is because. We Sunnis are followers of the Sunna, the traditions of the prophet as recoreded in the hadith, and belief in the succession caliphs through election frum the Koreish clan. while the Shiahs r follwers of Ali,with hereditary spiritual leaders the Immaams, decendents of Ali and Fatima.if u want to know this shit ask a moslem such as myself.and giulianni is a bitch fuck him fuck bol and fuck billy no x fagday.
    ————-
    Good ish Dark, but don’t let them trick you into saying ‘conflict’ it’s a difference my brother, it’s all one.

  • these posts are racist

    “excuse me its Sunni and Shiah and the conflict between the two is because. We Sunnis are followers of the Sunna, the traditions of the prophet as recoreded in the hadith, and belief in the succession caliphs through election frum the Koreish clan. while the Shiahs r follwers of Ali,with hereditary spiritual leaders the Immaams, decendents of Ali and Fatima.”

    Dark accuratley summarizes the original “split” in Islam, but this has little to do with current events. The word Shiah, litteraly means “party” so the Shi’as are the “Party of Ali”. And “Sunni” means “path” So the name as used to describe the Sunnis means “the path of the Prophet”.

    The irony is, the only Shi’ite run country in the middle East is Iran…and Iran also has real elections for its Presidency while Sunni run countries like Saudi give power based on lineage through a monarcy…

    There is not beef between Sunni and Shiite. The pundits on t.v. don’t understand iraq and that just makes the narrative easier to discuss. Next time someone talks about “Shi’ites and Sunnis” in Iraq, ask them which side the Kurds are on. Then ask them what the Kurds are, Sunni or Shi’ite?

  • Thorus

    If you liked Bush as President you are going to love Giuliani. I’m not a Rolling Stone fan but they wrote some shit up on Giuliani that makes a convincing case that President Giuliani would be delivering more of the same shit. He may have been around when the crime rate went down, however the NATIONAL murder rate dropped 33% during Giuliani’s two terms in office, he was probably just lucky to be around when crime was dropping everywhere.

    Here’s the Rolling Stone article:
    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/14952564/giuliani_worse_than_bush

  • Big Dick McGee

    DARK Says:

    September 9th, 2007 at 3:36 pm
    thoreauly77 i only say that shit bout billy and bol because they have ignorant veiws of moslems as well as black ones as myself sayin they all terrorists and shit which is just plain ridicoulus and ignorant like it makes no sense for billy fagday to say he down for Malcolm x (a black moslem)but at the same time bash black moslems which is just bein a fuckin hipycrite.i bash those two for thier ignorant blogs and ignorant veiws on moslems if u understand wut im sayin.
    ^^^^^^^^^^
    You’re obviously with the terrorists, It sad and sorry to see, nbut at least we know why ur bitching and crying all the time like a fcukin girl.Like ur wifey around and around, ya fuckin faggerts.

  • these posts are racist

    BDM

  • Around and Around

    Anyone with a handle of ‘big dick mcgee’ is a skinny little dick bitch.

    BDM I’m not with the Terrorists, I’m with your mom ho.

  • pece

    #
    Purple Hulk Says:

    September 8th, 2007 at 3:06 pm

    DAMN, YOUR REALLY GOING OUT OF YOUR WAY TO TRY TO STOP GULIANI, YOU GET ALOT OF RESPECT FOR THAT.
    RON PAUL NEEDS TO WIN THAT NOMINATION.
    ——————-

    proof that purple tard is a cracker

    guiliani is the reason why we have so many douchebag hipsters prancing around in nyc

    and lastly, muthafuckas from flyover states need to stfu about guiliani and 9/11. you didn’t live thru that shit so stfu country bumpkin cocksuckers.

  • Karim

    Anyone can hire 100,000 police officers. Guliani was a lot like Bush is now. They know how to win elections but dont know how to govern. my brother was on the police force during the time he was in office and iternally the Police hated him. He flooded the streets with officers which is prudent but not genius and not his idea. He was a NY boy who got a hook in the public By taking Down Gotti. THATS IT. there is nothing more behind him. he was good a certain group of folks who wanted thing cleaned up and i wont argue that was a bad thing, but if you wash all the dirt in the city off of 42nd st but is still has to land somewhere. Those people are never asked. People who caught bogus charges during that time dont have kind words to Say. This country is tired of and is too far along for bully politics and thats all that he is hes a big bully but worse cause at least a bully sticks to his guns. Guliani is more a bitch cause he flips like a wish out of water but still wants to bully people. the only reason he wants to be president it so maintain the status quo. he will sink he further into trouble.

  • http://xxlmag.com DARK

    Big Dick McGee its obvious ur a little dick bastard who lives in a trailer park and hardly has a proper education why dont u go fuck ur pig retard ur another one of those generic bastards who come on with a stupid name leave a dumb comment then leave never to be heard frum again fuck off.and its Shiah not shi’ite.and the Kurds whether they’re moslem or chirstian have always faced discrimination in the middle east they litterally fight for rights in countries like turkey,iraq,iran etc so forth.belive me there is still some slight fight with Sunnis and Shiahs its been going on for an extremly long time but it has died down quite a bit.

  • Cuban Link

    That ginny is still up there in my book, but that cracker from Law & Order would make a good president, although I doubt hed win