Is Mos Def with the terrorists?

“The truth lies prostate on rugged heels with nameless calvaries.” – Dr. Cornel West, who’s obviously lost it, if he ever had it in the first place

Friday night’s episode of Real Time with Bill Maher, with guest panelists Cornel West and Mos Def, was so rife with hilarious – and in some cases insightful - comments from Mos Def that I could probably work a good three or four posts from it, but I’ll try to confine my thoughts on it to this single post.

Probably my favorite part of the whole evening was when Bill Maher wondered whether or not black people, many of whom are still backing Hillary Clinton in next year’s election, would eventually come home to Barack Obama the same way they did OJ.

Obviously the point he was trying to make is that a lot of black people’s support for Barack Obama has as much to do with tribal instinct as it does anything else. I know, having written four or five posts on the guy for this site, hardly any of the comments in his favor have had much to do with his stance on any particular issue.

Another interesting point I thought he made is that we might be fooling ourselves if we seriously think that a black man has a snowball’s chance in hell at being elected president in an age in which we still have shit like the Jena 6 (which, admittedly, doesn’t strike me as that much of an outrage) going on.

Mos Def’s counter: Barack Obama can win because he’s better-looking than any of the white candidates (even John Edwards – nullus) and also because whenever anything goes wrong, people always look for a black person to pin it on…

But whatever. After all, the guy is a rapper, right? Sillier I thought was Cornel West’s suggestion that black people’s support of Barack Obama wasn’t evidence of some tribal instinct but rather the critical intelligence of black people. Why? Because Barack Obama has a deep solidarity with “blues people.”

Oh, well in that case!

Say what you will about Cornel West though, but at least he’s not so far gone as to have wacky views on 9/11, the moon landing in ’69, the JFK assassination, the OJ verdict and so on and so forth. Mos Def? Clearly not so much.

As far as the OJ thing is concerned, I was glad to see him walk regardless of whether or not he did it, so I wasn’t really sweating that as much. But if you notice, Mos Def seemed to bristle a bit whenever it was mentioned that there’s plenty of crazy Arabs in the world who lived to blow shit up.

For example, not only does Mos Def believe al Qaeda didn’t have shit to do with 9/11, he doesn’t even believe that cell they busted in Germany last week were terrorists. When asked why, his response is that this country was founded on terrorism, and what about those Catholic priests who eff little boys in the a?

Huh?

Perhaps TPAR could clear this up for us, but I was left with no other choice but to conclude that Mos Def is with the terrorists. Er, as I’m sure he’d call them, the freedom fighters.

To be honest with you, I began to suspect this the other day when I read his comments re: Jose Padilla. The thing is, I thought he might have had a point in that case, since who knows how they went about getting his fingerprints on an application to join al Qaeda, which is about the extent of their evidence against him?

But on the other hand, fuck Jose Padilla. As long as we know the guy was plotting to set off a dirty bomb here in the US, who gives a shit whether or not he was afforded due process? If it wasn’t for guys like him, we wouldn’t have all of these restrictions on our rights in the first place.

The gist of Mos Def’s argument seemed to be that these crazed Arabs aren’t terrorists, because the US has certain trees black people aren’t allowed to sit under, and so the US isn’t in any moral position to decide what’s terrorism and what isn’t.

If that’s the case, I’m at a loss for how his argument is especially different from Osama bin Laden’s in the video in which he attempts to recruit black people into al Qaeda, but I’m sure TPAR would be willing to explain the difference.

  • these posts are racist

    “As long as we know the guy was plotting to set off a dirty bomb here in the US, who gives a shit whether or not he was afforded due process?”

    BOL, a.k.a. the Bigot Shock Blogger. Padilla was never charged or convicted with anything having to do with a dirty bomb. Try again.

    I won’t even comment on the rest of your bigoted statements. Your slander of Mos Def and Lupe Fiasco is disgusting. When you call them “terrorists” or “with the terrorists” you are engaging in nothing more than slander, baselss defamation akin to the “McCarythy”-esque tactics you so passionatley argue to defend Imus.

  • Redd

    LAMO great post

  • these posts are racist

    BOL,

    No Due Process equals tyranny. You have no clue what either due process or tyranny means.

    You don’t understand “free speech” as is evidenced by your connecting what Mos Def said (the portions and context you put forth here) on the Bill Maher show and concluding that he “is with the terrorists”. People like you create the “chilling effect” of free speech when you call people “terrorists” every time they express an opinion or thought that is not in line with the Bush administration or the people you masterbate over on Fox News. (BOL can’t sit still when Hannity talks about Muslims, he has to run to the bathroom).

    You have no clue what plurality, pluralism, dissent, discourse and democracy mean.

    All you know is how to make bigoted baseless slandering statments about people.

  • Fire

    I like Mos Def as an MC (Black On Both Sides is classic), but he has some crazy views. He did have a point in that Jose Padilla case, though. If Padilla was or is a terrorist, then he got what he deserved.

  • Around and Around

    (BOL can’t sit still when Hannity talks about Muslims, he has to run to the bathroom).

    Ha, Bol is actually trying to set up a gang bang, him against Hannity, Rush, Savage and O’rielly

  • DukeJohnson

    Bol McCarthy strikes again

  • Around and Around

    As long as we know the guy was plotting to set off a dirty bomb here in the US, who gives a shit whether or not he was afforded due process?
    ——
    This proves Bol doesn’t really know shit when he tries to talk his bigot political game. Considering the Gov’t couldn’t even charge Padia with a dirty bomb, and you in your infininte wisdom try to site this fact only shows what a dumb ass, lazy excuse for a jounalist you are.

  • redskins suck!

    what the hell is TPAR?

  • Around and Around

    an age in which we still have shit like the Jena 6 (which, admittedly, doesn’t strike me as that much of an outrage)
    ———-
    It’s official Bol is a heartless cowardly white bitch

  • unknown

    We as a people are so easily influence. We hear on T.V and radio enough it becomes reality. Religion is the biggest problem for all people. When we get that cult like mentality out the way and see humans maybe we can live together. We seperate ourselves because of our beliefs. Christians and Muslims been at each other since the beginging of time. As well as color of your skin, we as people need to get off that we breathe the same air and all walk up right. We just have different views on things and should let them be. Even the ones that call themselves non- believers they have a place of worship to not believe. IF you have a belief or don’t that is your choice but don’t make others feel as if there beliefs are wrong. And like Mr. West said as well as Mos we got problems with them is because we are in there territory. IF we leave Iraq and let them deal with there own problems and worry about here we wouldn’t had a 9/11.

  • E. Black

    TPAR,

    Dog, I dig most of what you have to say. In fact I’d be happy if you got a chance to do a guest blogger week at XXL. (Lord knows between Billy’s drunken rants, and DJ Drama promotional tools it’d be nice to read someone who can form a coherent sentence.)

    But seriously, 75 percent of Bol’s stuff is just being funny. You got to calm down before you give yourself hypertension. Remember that Good Times’ episode with James throwing the chair?

    Don’t let that be you. Breathe, man. Breathe.

  • Moe Real

    TPAR’s head just blew up.

    Bol: Why don’t you start a petition to have Mos dropped from his record label? Since your internet petitions worked so well in the past…

    AND: Bol’s getting old. The MTV Music Awards were on last night, and he’s sitting on his couch with his slippers on, stuffing his face with chips and watching Bill Maher? You are one fat, old, Christian fuck, Bol.

  • Mole

    The Mole is back snitches yall miss me?.
    First this blog is just been going insane with TPAR shit, that nucca is a lost mofo IMO. Mos Def is a crazy fanatic who when he talks sounds like his on weed, don’t get me wrong his a hot MC(no homo) but as we all know MC’s(both conscious and pimpish) don’t really have much when it comes to educational certificates. Doubting 9/11 to me is like doubting the holocaust, how the hell you going to doubt when the person who done it done accepted he done it, yall delusionist can be thick sometimes on the real dawgs. Secondly i completely agree that black people aint voting for obama cause they agree with his grounds hell black people aint voting for anyone because they agree on there grounds. Blacks were born into democrats but unlike the cracka ass crackas we are really not updated. you want to try? alright can someone here who is planning to vote obama tell me what his plans are on immigration, homeland security, national insurance and educational policies? do any of you nuccas know this stuff? ehhhhhh NAHH. yall stupid and yall the reason why you can still be picked on because yall “Democrats”. Democrats do not even have to win your votes anymore, stupid heads.

    Mos Def get of the e pills son

  • VLsteve

    Padilla was set up so Busch and his little butt buddies can wage war on mexicans

    War on Terror 0-6
    War on Drugs 0-127
    War on Poverty0-hahahaha
    War on Mexicans? ol cockface busch might have a shot.

  • http://xxlmag.com Bol

    >IF we leave Iraq and let them deal with there own problems and worry about here we wouldn’t had a 9/11.

    Amen, brother.

  • these posts are racist

    E. Black,

    I can appreciate humor – and sometimes BOL writes some funny stuff. But when he presents false facts as true, bigoted statements as real political and legal analysis and slanders rappers for expressing their opinions that aren’t in line with the mainstream, I feel it necessary to combat that with some knowledge.

    But I feel you – and don’t think the passion behind my words equals anger. I’m not worked up or angry, I just speak from my heart, which happens to be fueled by passion and a desire to find truth.

    In any event, thanks for the feedback and much respect homey.

  • Father Figure

    “As long as we know the guy was plotting to set off a dirty bomb here in the US, who gives a **** whether or not he was afforded due process?”

    Yeah, those pesky 5th and 14th Amendments always get in the way of progress, huh Bol? Why should bad people get constitutional protections? We should just have a “good guy” constitution, for people Bol knows and trusts (I suspect they would all be men). Bad people, like people we “know” are guilty? Nuts to them; should have been good, right Bol?

  • http://www.myspace.com/brilliance1982 Brilliance Proper

    Normally I like your views on most issues but this one I’m gonna have to take a stand and say no. I can’t say I agree with everything Mos said on Real Time (I actually watched the show live on Friday) but I can say that here I agree with him more than I do your views on this post. The moonlanding is kinda suspect and that shit about him commenting on the bin Laden videos was kinda true. I mean, how many people send videos that they’re gonna fuck you up before they do it? They’re just gonna do it, point blank. Mos and Lupe aren’t terrorists, just not down with the status quo (and hopefully not down with Stat Quo.) An opinion doesn’t make you a bat-shit terrorist, only a forward thinker to not believe everything that’s force fed to you.

  • Bol = Bill O’Reilly

    Bol = black gay version of Bill O’Reilly

  • Around and Around

    Perhaps TPAR could clear this up for us, but I was left with no other choice but to conclude that Mos Def is with the terrorists. Er, as I’m sure he’d call them, the freedom fighters.
    —————
    So if you question shit that gov’t states as fact and big brother’s actions does that make you ‘with the turrrrist”?

  • The Ether Referee

    TPAR said “You have no clue what plurality, pluralism, dissent, discourse and democracy mean.

    All you know is how to make bigoted baseless slandering statments about people. ”

    That is a certified official intellectual ethering right there.

    TPAR pwned Bol

  • unknown

    I think america has forgot that all these countries in the Middle East we have funded or supported for some war or cause the brought to us. Then we turn around and help their enemy and piss them off and we become a traitor. All the things that we did there (not we the government) as made us a target for all types of terriost acts. In order for a power country like us to be a target means we made someone mad by our actions

  • http://xxlmag.com Bol

    TPAR and his aliases-

    Since when am I for doing away with due process? I even said I though Mos had a point in the case of Padilla.

    At the same time, I’m not losing any sleep over that terrorist fuck.

    Feel free to comment on the actual post, rather than just some shit you insert into the post in order to comment on it.

  • og bobby j

    I dont care….
    Mos Def is pretty stupid.
    “the US isn’t in any moral position to decide what’s terrorism and what isn’t.”

    Who is?
    Terrorism is global issue….A war tactic….it just so happens Muslims are most associated with it becuase some factions are fanatical douchbags who blow up buildings….and kill kids in the hopes of some virgin pussy…..If you ask me…thats some silly shit.

  • these posts are racist

    >>>>TPAR and his aliases-

    I have only posted as “These Posts Are Racist”. I have not used any aliases. You can easily find out whether or not different commenters are sending from the same computer.

    >>>Since when am I for doing away with due process?

    When you made this statment “As long as we know the guy was plotting to set off a dirty bomb here in the US, who gives a shit whether or not he was afforded due process?”

    >>>Feel free to comment on the actual post, rather than just some shit you insert into the post in order to comment on it.

    I’m arguing here, in good faith. I am commenting on the post. You said Padilla was involved in a “dirty bomb” plot. I stated that the facts show he was never convicted or even charged with such a plot.

    You also made a statment that said in Padillas case, it was OK to do away with due process. I disagreed and explained why Due Process was important, etc. Please show me where what I posted was not relevant to your blog entry.

  • DukeJohnson

    Bol always stumbles over himself in these posts by not checking the facts. Thats how TPAR always manages to get him.

  • NickyB

    this guys a republican throw him to the dogs vick

  • DocZeus

    I’m still shocked that TPAR has yet to figure out that all of Bol’s posts on this site and his own are completely and utterly satirical. C’mon on dude. Bol isn’t the Black Bill O’Reilly. Bol is the Black Stephen Colbert.

  • Around and Around

    >>>Since when am I for doing away with due process?

    When you made this statment “As long as we know the guy was plotting to set off a dirty bomb here in the US, who gives a shit whether or not he was afforded due process?”
    ———–
    Dam bol you are slow

  • Around and Around

    og bobby j Says:

    September 10th, 2007 at 3:48 pm
    and kill kids in the hopes of some virgin pussy…..If you ask me…thats some silly shit.
    ——————
    Does anyone realize that westerner’s are completely infatuated with this Virgin shit, it’s all they talk about. When’s the last time osama mentioned that shit?

    Just sayin

  • The Spaniard

    While Mos Def was talking Friday I was hoping he would shut the fuck up so that I wouldn’t be jaded while listening to his music. He was all over the place with his thoughts and ideas. He would follow up every insightful statement with a disjointed, random ass comment. I hope he was acting a fool for comedy sake but I, sad to say, doubt it.

  • http://xxlmag.com Bol

    TPAR aka Reach Around aka Father Figure-

    I never said it was okay to do away with due process, I just said I wasn’t losing any sleep over that case in particular.

    As far as the whole dirty bomb thing, was the guy not picked up in the first place as part of a plot to set off a dirty bomb?

    Somebody ought to alert Time magazine:

    http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,262917,00.html

    And the Washington Post:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A28493-2002Jun10&notFound=true

    To suggest that Padilla wasn’t involved in a dirty bomb plot because he was never officially charged with it is disingenuous.

    As far as whether or not you’re commenting on the post, well, you aren’t.

    I said I didn’t give a rat’s ass about what happened to Jose Padilla. You said I was in favor of doing away with due process and then commented on that. Had that actually been in the post, then yeah, you would’ve been commenting on the post. Unfortunately, it isn’t.

  • The Spaniard

    …and when I saw Cornell West I thought Fredrick Douglas has been resurrected Jesus Christ style! I never noticed that before.

  • og bobby j

    Around and Around

    when was the last time I gave a fuck about what Osama says? Westerner???

    Where the fuck you from…

  • Around and Around

    OG, I’m from earth that’s all you need to know. Just saying westerner’s are stuck on that virgin shit, and you rarely hear that as justification from those fuckers only from clowns like you Steve Emerson and Bol. You offended? good ho.

    —–
    And Bol:
    As far as the whole dirty bomb thing, was the guy not picked up in the first place as part of a plot to set off a dirty bomb?

    Somebody ought to alert Time magazine:

    And the Washington Post:

    To suggest that Padilla wasn’t involved in a dirty bomb plot because he was never officially charged with it is disingenuous.

    innocent until proven guilty, if they can’t prove that shit isn’t it disingenuous to charge him with it? Best believe if he was involved he’d be charged that shit was made up.

    Also someone better alert Time, the post et el etc etc…there were no WMD in Iraq, what the fucks your point? The media is a lap dog for gov’t, they stay getting shit wrong.

  • LowEndofDaChi

    The Spaniard Says:

    September 10th, 2007 at 4:26 pm
    …and when I saw Cornell West I thought Fredrick Douglas has been resurrected Jesus Christ style! I never noticed that before.
    ———————————–
    LMAO, that caught me off guard man!

    I don’t know if any of you clicked on that link in the last paragraph, but that article about Osama reaching out to blacks and the FBI’s response to it is outrageous. Personally, I believe the whole thing could very well be the “architecht” (Karl Rove’s) last play in the GW saga/disaster/quasi-dictatorship. Or maybe not.

    Either way its effects could be even more polarizing than GW’s entire post thus far. Bol likes to throw around that terrorist word to get certain people riled up, but in actuality I think we all know at some level who the true terrorists are.

    Not to take anything away from one of our nation’s greatest tragedies, but innocent Iraqis are facing the equivalent of 9/11 every day.

    It’s the oil fellas!

  • Tyler

    BoL, are U working with the Masons or what? Are U working 4 the Illuminati ? If not then stop hating on Obama. I am sure U got other things 2 write about. And if U think that U are, well U really aren’t cause they don’t fuck with black people so stop buying into what they are tell your dumbfatass. This was sad with love, no homo.
    SolutionsGlobalMedia.com aka SGM7.com
    Love it or Hate it, Tell a Friend.

  • KRITIQ

    FREE JENA SIX NOW!!!!!!!!

  • krb

    i think you is dumb as hell writin your stupid ass column! you must like ass-hole bush

  • og bobby j

    @around and around (wrap around??)

    Listen Fuckboy…I asked where you are from to get a better idea of why you would refer to me as a westener….

    I would love the opportunity to slap you with the koran…or quaran or quiff…whatever the fuck.

    why do you feel the need to constantly defend the terrorist?

  • Around and Around

    og bobby j Says:

    September 10th, 2007 at 5:27 pm
    @around and around (wrap around??)

    Listen Fuckboy…I asked where you are from to get a better idea of why you would refer to me as a westener….

    I would love the opportunity to slap you with the koran…or quaran or quiff…whatever the fuck.

    why do you feel the need to constantly defend the terrorist?
    —–
    Wow is seems OG Bobby Johnson has become an Internet Thug, and not the real thing. The real Bobby J should Murc your ass for disrepecting his name…

    See Bobby J here we have an example of the ‘no spin zone’ crackers, they take any argument/criticism as defending the turrrrist. No bitch your arguments are whack, and we’re breaking that shit apart at the seams. Tell me where I dfended the turrrist? Yeah bitch…exactly I didn’t.

    See when fucks like you say it’s all about Virgins/and/or the hate our freedom, it makes them seem like just some whacked out crazy ass fuckers (don’t get me wrong they’re crazy) but, it negates that fact that America has been fucking these people over for the last 50 years. And for you simpleton ass bitches that’s not defending them, that’s just truth. You can’t expect to beat a mother fucker over and over and expect not to get countered.

  • Drydock

    In general I enjoy polemical attacks on religion assuming that they’re intelligently made by people such as Christopher Hitchens. Unfortunately Bols’ commentaries are an example of how not to critique religion in general and Islam in particular. For every a smart comment Bol makes he makes two ignorant ones.

    I like the suggestion of giving TPAR a guest column, where we can have an intellectual smackdown. Bol vs TPAR.

  • http://xxlmag.com DARK

    bol the tittle of ur blogs when u bash moslems r all the same ur really an ignorant retarded fuck.stupid herb go blow your boyfriend billy fagdays dick.go play prsion communal showers wit eachother.

  • blackbush

    to whom ever wrote this blog… You lost! You really need to kill yourself.

  • Father Figure

    “I never said it was okay to do away with due process, I just said I wasn’t losing any sleep over that case in particular.”

    That’s right; you only lose sleep about due process when its taken away from genuine, certified, Bol approved, “good people.” That’ll be the hallmark of the “Bol ‘good people’ constitution.”

    “As far as the whole dirty bomb thing, was the guy not picked up in the first place as part of a plot to set off a dirty bomb?”

    (Hook, line, and sinker, what?) That certainly is what the government officials told Time and WaPo. How courageous of them to completely reprint subjective government assertions!! But Bol, I’m with you; we should just believe our government instead of thinking about these things on our own. Padilla was a terrorist! Everything in Iraq is going great! Global warming isn’t happening, and if it is, its good for you! Trade with the Chinese helps everyone, by destroying pesky unions and raising the spirits of our beleaguered upper class! Plan B contraceptives aren’t safe, but arsenic in our water is!

  • JD3

    Mos Def makes good music but makes stupid statements. people need to realize that these crazy muslims dont care if we are in Iraq. if we werent there they still wanna blow us up. it doesnt matter where we are because the USA isnt a muslim country. the terrorists hate America because our women walk around with their heads uncovered. also, we support Israel. bin laden said in that tape that America must convert to islam or else… so people need quit bitchin about Iraq because the terrorists will always hate and wanna kill America. fuck Mos Def talking(not rapping) fuck terrorists and those who defend the terrorists

  • http://xxl.com gside

    I agree with everthing mos def said if you don’t your one of them fake nigga ‘s to for any real black man to disagree he is blind . The media has mad us public enemy sence day one . What you miss is how real crimanls get with murder and they lock us up for nothing like the jenna 6 a kids fight will not one of them chatolic preist has serve any time.These same pepole kill escarbe because the United states has a drug problem what I mean by the united states i mean the white half they don’t give a fuck about black amrica .They mad a monster out of someone put another county to war and you still can buy crak any time you want.IT’s white man justice black man grief for the world you fool .

  • Purple Hulk

    JUST IGNORE MOS, HES A WASHED UP PIECE OF SHIT THATS ALWAYS EITHER DEFENDING CRIMINALS OR ACTING LIKE A CRACKHEAD TO STAY RELEVANT.
    HE CANT MAKE A SOLID ALBUM LIKE TALIB KWELI, SO HE RESORTS TO BEING A BITCH.

  • Incilin

    I think everyone should watch Bill Maher’s show. Regardless of if you agree, there are always interesting points being made on that show. Its one of the best shows on TV.

  • Around and Around

    Drydock, what the fuck are you talking about this isn’t even close to a critique, it’s shit talk plan and simple.
    —-
    JD3 Says:

    September 10th, 2007 at 7:29 pm
    the terrorists hate America because our women walk around with their heads uncovered

    Yeah that is exactly why you moron, what’d your daddy tell you that in between shots of Jack Daniels? In fact in the vast majority of ‘Muslim’ countries women freely walk around without the Hijab (no headscarf) you ignorant ass bigot.

  • Around and Around

    Drydock Says:

    September 10th, 2007 at 6:53 pm
    In general I enjoy polemical attacks on religion
    ———–
    Where the fuck did this guy come from? Go back to Berkley bitch.

  • Fire

    Around And Around,
    Your comment towards DryDock: Calm down, dude, relax. There are a lot of religious zealots from all belief systems that make the world a worse place. I enjoy attacks against those zealots, many people do.

  • Around and Around

    Fire, most of that is just clowning. But if someone really wants to have intelligent dialoge it’s not going to happen on a message board, and people using words like polemical should be smart enough to know that.

  • AWhite

    You remind me of a young Uncle Ruckus from The Boondocks. The white supremacy that exists under all of that brown skin is laughable.

    Mos Def was right about Al-Qaeda (read a book, watch Tv other than Fox News and CNN) and he is also right by saying that one terrorist has no right to call another a terrorist. LMAO, Uncle Tom

  • JD3

    “Reach” Around and Around,
    calm your ass down. you are making muslims look bad, uh….

  • gon pucons

    lol

  • UNlikely

    Bol, I truly enjoy all you columns, they usually have my ribs hurtin’ and all. Especially when you are objective yet nonchalantly arrogant about it. However this time I beg to differ with that shit you claim: Its good to see there other people who visit your column who don’t watch FOX and CNN. I hate to say it but you caught an L on this one, being a journalist and all you came off IGNANT.

  • drydock

    AA– Sorry to interrupt your on-line meat-wackers society, I’ll try to keep things to two syllables or less.

  • The Real Bishop

    look, I get that liberty dies to the sound of thunderous applause and all that shit, and I’m far from supporting Bol’s total thesis (his hostility to God comes to mind) or President Bush’s (his lack of a “reconstruction plan” comes to mind), but to TPAR, Around and Around, Father Figure, et al, why is Jose Padilla, of all people, the man around whom we rally to make vivid our passionate defense of liberty? I mean, let’s say the dude really was (as was alleged back in the day) planning to get a dirty bomb set off somewhere… hypothetically in LA. I mean, presuming the dude had any ability at all to get this done, then, to quote a blogger i once read, fuck due process, just get the shit done. I don’t care who thinks we have it coming, I’m not down with being collateral damage in anyone’s mind, and I’m not going to lose sleep over any due process claim as long as the Staples Center stays built and the air stays pure.

    Now, due process is important, sure. But, given the shitty state of the legal system in this country, I could give two fucks about Jose Padilla’s right to a fair trial when hundreds of thousands of Americans each year get railroaded through overworked justice systems in every single major city in America. Did we all of a sudden forget that black people basically don’t have a goddamn CHANCE in Los Angeles or St. Louis once they’re even so much as accused of a crime? I get the indignation over Padilla, but when it comes right down to it, I’m ok with stepping over the line to stop some potential terrorism. I don’t think we can really sit here and, in good faith, type on our keyboards that somehow THAT’S going to cause the “erosion of liberty” or the “mandate of tyranny” or anything so flowery, when ridiculous, racist, unfair, predjudicial shit goes down in a courtroom near you EVERY SINGLE DAY. Bail hearings, jury selections, appeals, evidenciary hearings, all that shit is completely up to corrupt motherfuckers who run our legal system. Let’s not kid ourselves into thinking that what happens to Jose Padilla, exoneration or conviction, is going to matter a bit the next time a cop really needs to find some probable cause on a brother near you. I think we should keep our righteous indignation focused on some of the corruption closer to home.

    It’s like Michael Vick. You know, so he killed a dog. It’s wrong, big goddamn deal. Every day we torture the shit out of cows and chickens, so if you really care about “animal cruelty,” you have to take the whole pie. If we really want to get worked up about tyranny and whatnot, let’s start with LA Superior Court… if Jose Padilla wants to get so mixed up with shady cats that the government thinks he might want to blow a bunch of people up, then fuck him. We’ve got our own people to worry about.

  • Father Figure

    “why is Jose Padilla, of all people, the man around whom we rally to make vivid our passionate defense of liberty?”

    If you don’t believe in due process for the unpopular, you don’t believe in due process, period.

    Padilla’s case also raises other issues. First, as mentioned above, the initial Time/WaPo articles were essentially Bush administration propganda. The authors simply printed what government officials told them. Time and WaPo shouldn’t serve as BushCo’s megaphone.

    Second, it was wildly prejudicial to Padilla’s case to leak that information. How could he ever expect to receive a fair trial in front of an impartial jury when people link his name to “dirty bomb?” If the DOJ wants to link peope to phrases like that, it should be required to charge them with the crime, and prove the charges before an impartial jury.

    Third, the DOJ essentially charged Padillia in a manner that prevented courts from exercising jurisdiction over him. He was locked away from three years without charges, which is a practice common in totalitarian regimes.

    As for Michael Vick, please describe the “torture” inflicted on chickens and cows that are raised for consumption. Death is not torture. People like Vick intentionally torture dogs to alter their dispositions, in order to destroy their natural tendency to be amicable. That’s foul, and its obscene that he will only serve approximately one year in prison.

  • Around and Around

    The Real Bishop Says:

    September 11th, 2007 at 3:53 am
    Now, due process is important, sure. But, given the shitty state of the legal system in this country, I could give two fucks about Jose Padilla’s right to a fair trial
    ——————–

    ‘Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both’
    Benjamin Franklin

    -Ben said it best

  • LowEndofDaChi

    Father Figure=TPAR

    Man, I’d love for you to have your own blog on here. You provide some of the most balanced, concise arguments to counter Bol’s “writings.”

    YN, pay attention!

  • KFrizzle

    “But on the other hand, fuck Jose Padilla. As long as we know the guy was plotting to set off a dirty bomb here in the US, who gives a shit whether or not he was afforded due process? If it wasn’t for guys like him, we wouldn’t have all of these restrictions on our rights in the first place.”

    Co-fucking sign!! The over saturation of so called “due process” in this fucking country is a big reason why we stay 10 steps behind everyone plotting against us. Every move has to be publicized and covered by 10 news agencies, justified to 10 more, and then crucified by every other one out there. Fuck a due process, don’t put yourself in compromising positions then.

    That’s right fuckers, it’s 2007 and this is the world we live in. Just like you and I wouldn’t have the thought in our head to travel somewhere like Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia (if they allow us?) don’t go to a fucking radical mosque or put yourself in line with crazy Kufis like that.

  • TSF

    This is completely off topic, but yo Bol, why aren’t people making more of a deal about Kanyeezy basically writing a love song about Jay-Z on Graduation? What’s the deal? There’s no one better suited for the job

  • The Spaniard

    You guys are fucking nuts.

    Due process, for everyone, is a fundamental requirement in order to have a just and civilized society. Because if “they” can justify eliminating it for a few, you can rest assured (as history teaches) the power grab will be vast.

    What really needs to take place is that everyone screaming “help me, I’m scared!” has to come to grips with the fact that we are on a slow road to death anyway and grasping for (false) security while abandoning important principles is a bitch move that is likely destined for failure.

    By the way, a large part of the problem is religion itself…eastern or western.

  • The Spaniard

    “But if someone really wants to have intelligent dialoge it’s not going to happen on a message board”

    It’s rare that’s for sure, but it can happen.

    In general, you really can’t have an “intelligent” conversation in any forum as most people are not exceptionally bright, observant or consistent in thought anyway.

  • marz

    you are very uninformed.

  • bush knocked down the towers

    Listen…anyone who HONESTLY believes that their were actually TERRORISTS {aside from bush} is DUMB AS HELL…no real disrespect to the disillusioned but listen those two planes wouldn’t even have taken those big ass steel reinforced buildings down by themselves.. and the fact that the firefighters actually stated that they heard EXPLOSIONS in the buildings after the first plane had already hit…come on i hear and see explosions on the 20th fl. when the plane hit the 76th..BE SERIOUS…and furthermore that whole plane hit the pentagon..well where are the real plane ruins..a 757 boeing crashed and made 1 big round hole in the wall…what happened to the WINGS?? and where was the engine?? and why were secret service/ pentagon workers out picking up debris?? AND since when are plane parts small and light ennough to carry by hand…THE WHOLE PLANE?!?!? COME ON!!! WAKE UP!!! IF WE DON’T ALL REALIZE THAT THE WAR IS ON ISLAM AS A RELIGEON AND POOR PEOPLE AS A WHOLE THEN WE’LL BE ASSED OUT CUZ OSAMA CLEARLY STATES HE IS PISSED THAT WERE IN HIS COUNTRY MASHIN UP THE PLACE FOR NO REASON.

    P.S….. EVEN FIDEL CASTRO IN CUBA JUST ARMED UP WITH 2+ MILLION IN WEAPONS IN CASE BUSH WANTS TO PLAN A WAR ON TERROR IN CUBA SINCE FIDEL IS SITTING ON A WHOLE LOT OF UN TAPPED OIL!!

  • og bobby j

    Around and Around says
    See when fucks like you say it’s all about Virgins/and/or the hate our freedom, it makes them seem like just some whacked out crazy ass fuckers (don’t get me wrong they’re crazy) but, it negates that fact that America has been fucking these people over for the last 50 years. And for you simpleton ass bitches that’s not defending them, that’s just truth. You can’t expect to beat a mother fucker over and over and expect not to get countered.

    So, fuckboy, does it make you feel better to justify the actions of the terrorist by saying it is America’s fault? And..it is defending them…and justifying terrorist acts…..

    Your a disgrace to life…you should have been shot on your mothers face
    or in your fathers boyfriends ass.

    your weak homeboy

  • jibbajabba

    Man, watching Mos Def and Cornell West straining their little minds to see who could do the best ‘Oswald Bates’ impression was painfully hilarious. What a couple of jabbering idiots.

    “YO, I don’t believe in Al Quaida, but I do believe in Bigfoot!” H-I-L-A-R-I-O-U-S.

  • Da Ryder

    LOL, Bol u funny as hell!!
    Keep up the good work homie!!
    Mos Def=Muslim=Terrorist..I always knew that!!

    Plz wright sumthin bout the VMA awards, wanna hear your thoughts!

    Peace & fuck the terrorists and that shady janitor TPAR

  • LowEndofDaChi

    Peep what my man’s above OG BOBBY J was saying. If you want more detail check out this movie called “Loose Change.” Google it or whatever. The whole thing was a big scam to establish a more significant presence in the Middle East so that certain GOP business partners could profit from oil and other business ventures they had lined up. There were other benefits as well, and if you check out the movie, you’ll see that those affiliated w/the development of the Towers cashed in big time when it came to insurance payments and what not.

    Seeing as how the CIA is the leading intelligence agency worldwide in terms of resources and influence, how is it possible that an attack such as the one on 9/11 was delivered by a group of Islamic extremists?

  • Around and Around

    og bobby j Says:

    September 11th, 2007 at 11:33 am
    So, fuckboy, does it make you feel better to justify the actions of the terrorist by saying it is America’s fault? And..it is defending them…and justifying terrorist acts…..
    —–
    OG dickrider….look it’s real simple. Say that the real OG bobby J. saw that you was false flagging his name and he murc’s you. It’s not because your gay, or a homo internet thug, it’s because you pretending to be something you’re not. That’s a reason. And if I go and say, ‘OG Bobby Johnson murc’d this internet thug for using his name’ does that mean I’m defending the real OG or justifying? Or am I just giving a reason? Now you little home schooled ho, go back to your desk I want your response double spaced in 12 pt font, 50 words or less.

  • og bobby j

    Actually…what i said was
    Your a disgrace to life…you should have been shot on your mothers face
    or in your fathers boyfriends ass.

    your weak homeboy

    true story….around and around is from a 3rd world country and is forced to sell his ass for an internet connection. He often jerks off to pictures of islamic radicals and sets off small fireworks in his ass for fun.

  • T.R.E.Y.

    LOL@that sentence ’bout Catholic priest. hilarious and it sums up the “well you did this too dude!!!” non-arguments leftoids use as a crutch.

  • The Real Bishop

    “If you don’t believe in due process for the unpopular, you don’t believe in due process, period.”

    Word. I figured several commenters would raise this point, including the man who brought up Ben Franklin. I mean, obviously, you’re right. My point is just that due process is being taken away from poor Americans every day as a staff, record label, and crew, and if we’re going to start getting really righteous about defending due process in this country, we ought to start in our fucked up district attorney’s office, and proceed right over to our fucked up public defender’s office, before we get all indignant about the “totalitarian manner” in which Padilla is being treated.

    “As for Michael Vick, please describe the “torture” inflicted on chickens and cows that are raised for consumption. Death is not torture.”

    You’ll have to bear with me as I appropriately research this topic. Safe to say, cows raised for slaughter lead a miserable life, designed primarily to increase the flavor of the meat they produce. Same with chickens. (Plus, at a rodeo, you’ve got dudes tying strings around the balls of bulls to make them buck angrily.)

    Plus, Vick is already losing 90-some million dollars and his professional livelihood essentially for participating in illegal intra-state commerce, which is fucked up. As long as Ray Lewis and Leonard Little can suit up in the NFL every week, it remains a hypocritical embarassment that Michael Vick’s been crucified.

  • Mole

    Obama is an inexperienced who if he becomes president would be fucking lost. man this dude just served as a senator and all of a sudden yall nuccas fink he fit for president? on what fucking grounds? has he ever run a government NO, does he have political experience NO.

    >>>>>IF we leave Iraq and let them deal with there own problems and worry about here we wouldn’t had a 9/11.
    Whoever wrote this, in short does not deserve to live, where are the holy war fighters when u freaking need them. atleast help a brother get some virgin pussy innit

    around and around, STFU. you do not know arabs, do not talk about arabs being fucked aboutl. i grew up in dubai, arabs are the thickest fuckers(God bless there women), i love arabs but they are the most wicked set of humans on earth. modern day slavery is the shit there son, ppl be labouring there ass of for no pay. you do not know shit, yall stupid westerner’s and your sympathy is the reason why very soon they gonn have your mothers head in a basket because she refused to convert to islam. Arabs are oppressors and when an oppressor is not powerful it usually is oppressed and that is all that is happening. in maybe 20 years your ass gonn be muslim (ehem terrorist, nahhh kiddin) or well you die fool. you need a personal experience with this people to understand them. they do not reason like westerners and this aint racism just like a black folk sure as hell aint reason like caucasian. im out snitches

    Mole Is Back

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Junkman

    The term “terrorist” is problematic in the first place and is tossed around too much. Don’t listen too much to the paranoid white-breds.

  • kritiq

    Mole Says:

    September 11th, 2007 at 10:41 pm
    Obama is an inexperienced who if he becomes president would be fucking lost. man this dude just served as a senator and all of a sudden yall nuccas fink he fit for president? on what fucking grounds? has he ever run a government NO, does he have political experience NO.

    ^^^^^^
    you must be one of the most idoitic people in the planet. No one can ever be experienced as a president of a country because you deal with different issues every single year thats why presidents have advisors you moron you can not run a country by youself tell me what president has experiance in the 9/11 issue? did Bush have experience in the attacks

    does Obama have political experience?do you even know who Obama is and what he has done

    has he ever run a government NO
    ^^^^^^^^
    do you know what is the role of the senate?

    does he have political experience NO.
    ^^^^^^^^^
    Iam sure senators are not politicains these days, what political experiance are you refering to?

    Mole you try to come out as this guy who is well informed but you are just a dumb ass who know nothing about anything Read a book dumb ass.

  • Around and Around

    Mole Says:

    September 11th, 2007 at 10:41 pm
    around and around, STFU. you do not know arabs, do not talk about arabs being fucked aboutl. i grew up in dubai,
    ———-
    Mole definition: A mole is a spy who works for an enemy nation, often within local government. Much like “Mole,” the slang term “Fink” originated in the 1920s, to describe a spy or an informer.

    -Anyone using the term Mole is a snitch ass cracka, and if you truely did ‘grow’ up in Dubai, you’d know it’s common knowledge that those Gulf Arabs are elitest and fucked, and you’d also know that Emaritis make up 20% of the population which mean there are a lot of other people there taking advantage of the subcontinent cheap labor. And if you did ‘grow up’ there I’m sure you and your bitch ass family also had their servants and drivers. But you probably didn’t because you a mole and you grew up in Colby, Kansas or some shit, and are currently trying out for the remake of the move White Boyz….

  • OG BOBBY J

    AROUND AND AROUND

    the tru colors show when u get frustrated huh….now its white people’s fault?

    your a disgrace to live….you should have been a mouthful….fagget

  • Around and Around

    Will the real OG Bobby Johnson please stand up.

    -Man I don’t know what the fuck you’re referring to, ‘White peoples fault’?

  • these posts are racist

    OG Bobby J, you know they got your son Rey Rey stealing radios now? You need to ride on them busters.

    Duece here! Fake gangsters crack me up. I’m from Chicago, we don’t have them here. I heard of Larry B. Hoover, but OG Bobby J…well, he’s from a movie.

  • Blaine

    “For example, not only does Mos Def believe al Qaeda didn’t have shit to do with 9/11, he doesn’t even believe that cell they busted in Germany last week were terrorists. When asked why, his response is that this country was founded on terrorism…”

    Lest we forget small pox blankets and all out genocide on Native American people? Manifest Destiny is all terrorism fool. Talk about the tea pot (the US) calling the kettle (alleged terrorists) black. no pun intended.

  • og bobby j

    dumbas TPAR

    Rey Rey wasnt the name of the kid jerky

    If you are speakin on my comments to Around…it dont concern you.

    I’m From New York….We dont have fake ass internet blog professors out here……

  • Around and Around

    og bobby j Says:

    September 12th, 2007 at 1:21 pm
    I’m From New York….We dont have fake ass internet blog professors out here……
    ——–
    No just Reel fake gangsters like OG Bobby Johnson

  • these posts are racist

    OG Bobby J, you finna ride on them busters who got your kid stealing car radios? What about that dude that shot your son in the back? You goin’ ride on that buster? Or are you just going to watch “South Central” over and over and stare in the mirror pretending to be something your not…taking breaks only to watch Fox Noise?

  • http://www.need4sheed.com Junkman

    Everyone has to align themselves with a fake enemy to make themselves feel like they stand for something and to have something to complain about. Since white America can’t openly hate on Blacks any longer, “terroists” has become the enemy of choice. Just like EPMD had “sucka MC’s” to write about and get their inspiration from, many Americans depict terrorists in their mind to become angry/paranoid/psuedo-progressive. If you fall into that trap, I’m sorry, because that’s white conservative Americans’ line of thinking, and some non-whites buy into it thanks to Fox News, etc.

  • og bobby j

    TPAR

    I think i’ll take a break from finna ride on them busters for a few minutes….are you gonna take a break from pretending to know what the fuck you are talking about and give the impressionable degenerate ass cakes on this site a break from your misleading anti american antics?

  • Around and Around

    OG Bobby Johnson (The Fake Gangster)

    As I told you before: Now you little home schooled ho, go back to your desk I want your response double spaced in 12 pt font, 50 words or less.

    -For this you get an F, I told your fake gangster ass there is a difference between stating a factual side to an issue (in this case you being a fake NY’er gangster) and actually being ‘anti-American’

    Take your bitch ass back to Rochester, NY for a South Central marathon, and come back tomorrow ready to ‘ride on sum busterrrs’

  • these posts are racist

    “anti american antics”

    Oh to the contrary. What I say is American and in line with the principles that America is founded upon…and what makes this democracy, a democracy.

    Maybe you didn’t learn about that watching “South Central”. By the way, did you know Rey Rey got your son stealing car radios? He be giving them 2 dollars and selling them for like 50 or 100 dollars. You betta do something.

    Duece here!

  • og bobby j

    around and around (Tpar’s cumdumpster)

    I bet Rochester NY is harder then wherever you from……you weak homeboy

  • YOU ARE ALL VERY STUPID

    I usually don’t find it necessary to comment here, but “bush knocked down the towers”; regurgitating info from “loose change” won’t win you an intellectual points. Try thinking for yourself next time… Oh, and fuck Mos Def.

  • Around and Around

    og bobby j Says:

    September 12th, 2007 at 4:57 pm
    I bet Rochester NY is harder then wherever you from……
    ————
    I bet my dad can beat up your dad…..you nerd

  • these posts are racist

    OG Bobby J,

    Remember, if you hit a man in the face, that man’s face will heal and you can make amends. If you kill a man, young brother, you can never come back from that.

    By the way, homey, did you get that purple heart removed from your face?

  • Justin Kase

    OG, Around, TPAR….yall got me ROLLIN.

  • frank

    I agree with Mos, Sen. Ron Paul and any other Mofo who states that we need to look deeper into the U.S.’s actions in the Middle East to fully understand why the terrorists “hate our freedom”. I dont understand you man. You believe whatever Cracker McGee tells you huh?

  • LDBL

    Bol is worse than the Fox News Channel. He takes the things ppl say and places them completely out of context.