Emcees > Rappers

I’m sure that I had this convo with some of you cats a while back. For the most part, those of us with the ability to use reason (read: those of us not still sleeping in the bedroom that we’ve had since we were ten) we all understand the difference between Hip-Hop and rap music. Now I’m not going to say that all rap music is bad, because it surely isn’t. Hell, all Hip-Hop ain’t good. Aesop Rock is definitely Hip-Hop and he’s got some joints, but I would go on a killing spree if he were the only type of Hip-Hop artist available. Fifty Cent is a bonafide rapper. He makes catchy rap music that makes you sing along because it’s so simple. There’s no thinking or themes required when listening to ol’ boy’s music and sometimes it’s actually good to shut off one’s brain.

So why not create a list of the top 5 emcees and the top 5 rappers? I like making lists. It’s the sixth element of Hip-Hop. Truthfully, Ernie Pannicioli is the sixth element of Hip-Hop. Telling other people ‘They Are NOT Hip-Hop’ is seventh, and eating breakfast cereal for dinner is eighth. Lists might be the ninth element, but they are definitely in the top ten things that are Hip-Hop. Anyhoo… Here’s the criteria for selecting the top five names for each category…

Emcees:
Does this emcee exude empathy towards poor and disenfranchised peoples?
Does the emcee have the “starving artist” body type?
Does the emcee give a high energy stage show?

And more importantly than anything else…
Does the emcee make fresh rhymes?

Rappers:
Does the rapper have the ability to place products and consumables within rhyme verse?
Does the rapper have endorsement deals for product that have no apparent connection to rap?
Does the rapper have a lot of money?

And lastly, and even surprisingly some might say…
Does the rapper make fresh rhymes?

Let’s go top five alive and active (studio record within this year). No old heads or washed up emcees for this shiny new XXL Mag Dot Com list.

Emcees:
Redman
Mos Def
Ghostface
Common
Black Thought

Put Redman at the top of any list you want to make. As a matter of fact, put him at the top of your ‘Must See Perform Live’ list. Redman was hurtling himself into audiences way before it was fashionable to party like a rockstar. Plus, he wrote all of Erick Sermon’s best and most memorable verses.

I’m sure the only one that raised an eyebrow was the insertion of Black Thought, but if you ever have the blessing to go to a live Roots crew performance you will understand why Black Thought is one of the greatest emcees evar. You see not only does he have his entire catalog of verses within his skull, but he also has the verses of everyone else who ever rhymed so that he has the ability to go from vocalist to hypeman with seamless transition. At a concert I watched him guide the onetime greatest rapper NaSir Jones to remember his own verses.

Com, Mos and Ghost is just academic and if you need an explanation you should prah’lee tongue kiss an electrical outlet.

Rappers:
Fifty Cent
T.I.
KanYe
Cam’Ron
T Pain

There are millions of rappers to choose from especially if you count RapSpace.tv, but when you use the criteria established the list becomes shorter and more pithy. Fifty Cent is clearly the alpha rapper. Not just because he has more money than God or that he is the ultimate corporate pitchman. Fifty Cent is the top rapper because he lies to you to your face and you dance to it. He makes it look so easy that you almost assume he was a former criminal because of his self-assuredness. Trust this much, if Vitamin Water was even remotely similar to the dye-filled, sodium benzoate “quarter water” Coca Cola would never have come calling. Fifty Cent is the person that facilitated the deal. For corporate America (read: wealthy white) being close to him is like getting a tan without even having to worry about harmful UV rays. It’s the instant connection to the young Black consumer that influences the young white consumers with access to their parents’ checkbooks. Good shit.

That’s the strength of everyone in the rapper category. Subscribing to their lifestyle means obvious and conspicuous consumption. This isn’t the list for thinking freely, but more like buying into a look that says you are a rebel, without actually having the courage to be one. This list is like owning a Nike Che Guevara shirt. There’s nothing morally wrong with that either.

Emcees versus Rappers isn’t a good against evil argument. Both sides are good at the same time and people should recognize that and accept it. Emcees are great when they use their platforms to stretch the boundaries of their art and our understanding of the world that created the art. Rappers are good too because they tell us what to buy in order to keep the capitalistic machine from grinding to a halt. If we stopped being debt-ridden consumers then the government might have to kick in our doors and take our rubles the strong arm steady style.

It’s all about taking the red pill or the blue pill, and at the end of the day both pills are manufactured by GlaxoSmithKline.

  • Tiro

    Yo that’s a wicked post Billy…. But yo isn’t a Terrible PAIN in the ears a sanga

  • Tray

    He’s a rappa TERNT sanga. And you can talk about Nas falling off, but I’ll take him over Common and the garbage he’s been putting out these days. As for Mos Def… Black Magic, anyone??

  • http://highsnobiety.com Tiro

    no Nas…disappointin

  • THA WEATHERMAN

    Hmm…nice list this time, and I agree with you 100 percent on Black Thought, I went to a concert and it was way more moving than I expected it to be. I’m sorta wondering why you put T-pain on there though…I dont think hes been in the game long enough as a rapper to make the top 5, and unless all this is a joke Cam’ron doesnt belong there either, but hes number one in the nursery rhymes. LMAO

  • Chris

    I laugh at everyone who thinks themselves high than Cam’Ron. As if he doesn’t realize what he says is abstract and retarded. It’s called diversity, nigga. Learn it. We need Cam to be that guy.

  • http://hiphopisread.blogspot.com/ Ivan

    I wouldn’t go as far as to say that hip-hop = good, and rap = bad. It’s all rap music which belongs to the hip-hop culture. ‘Nuff said. Some of it’s great, some of it’s trash. But it’s ALL hip-hop and it’s ALL rap.

    So…

    …yeah…

  • http://www.byroncrawford.com Def Poet

    Call it catchy, call it what you want.

    I despise rap from ever coming into focus since around 1997 and on. It’s nothing but, in my opinion, garbage, poison, and does nothing to remind what these kids today of what Hip-Hop was founded upon and the messages it stood for.

    I remember a fond time in the early 90′s when it was TIGHT for an emcee to truly be dope, similar to these mainstream hacks now, except they could stay true to the roots.

    Corporate America has ruined a great art form.

    Now excuse me while I go pop in ‘Can I Borrow a Dollar?’

  • LOL

    LMAO!!!!

    THIS IS THE DUMBEST BLOG EVER!

    ARE U A 16 YEAR OLD WHITE BOY TRYIN TO OVER COMPENSATE FOR LIKING HIPHOP?

    FUNNY SHIT.

    THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RAP AND HIPHOP YOU FUCKING NERDBALL!

    LMAO!!!

    I LOVE HOW , SUDDENLY IN 2008 THERES A DIVIDE IN HIPHOP. NOW THE HIPHOP I USED TO LISTEN TO IN 1996 IS SUDDENLY “RAP MUSIC”

    FUCK OUTTA HERE BILLY X SUNDAY YOURE A FUCKIN HACK.

    IF THATS THE CASE IM RUNNING WITH RAP ALL DAY. CAUSE “HIPHOP” IS BORING AND FULL OF PRETENTIOUS FAGS WHO JERK OFF TO CRACKHEAD KRS ONE SPEECHES TALKIN ABOUT “HIPHOP IS MY LIFE”

    FUCCOUTTAHERE

  • LOL

    STILL LOLING @ 1970′S BRONX BEING RACIALLY HARMONIOUS

  • LOL

    NEWS FLASH BILLY X FAGDAY…THE KIDS IN THE BRONX AND THE HOODS AINT LISTENING TO ASEOP COCK.

    MOST BLACK PPL APPARENTLY LISTEN TO “RAP”.

    WHATEVER THE KIDS AND THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT MADE “HIPHOP” ARE LISTENING TO AND MAKING
    IS HIPHOP DUMBASS.

    ITS NOT BASED ON SOME LAME ASS RULES YOU CONCUCTED IN UR HEAD.

    THIS SHIT AINT A RELIGION OR CULT.

    GET THE FUCK OVER IT. YOU’RE STUCK IN THE 80′S

    STOP WORSHIPPING THE 80′S SCENE. THE SCENE CHANGES.

    SMH AT THE KID TRYIN TO PASS OFF AS A MUSIC EXPERT.

  • LOL

    SEE BILLY, JUST BECAUSE TODAYS REGGAE, AND THE REGGAE THAT THE JAMACIAN KIDS LISTEN TOO DOESNT SOUND LIKE 1960′S REGGAE.

    IT DOESNT MEAN ITS NOT REGGAE!

    AND JUST BECAUSE SOME WHITE KIDS IN MONTREAL TRY TO RIP OFF THE SOUND OF 1960′S REGGAE.

    IT DOESNT MAKE THOSE KIDS “MORE REGGAE” , THAN THE SAME KIDS THAT LIVE IN KINGSTON MAKING MUSIC AND LISTENING TO MUSIC THAT DOESNT SOUND LIKE THE REGGAE OF OLD.

    YOU ARE REALLY SAD DUDE.

    YOU HAVE NO LOGIC.

    INTELLIGENCE IS MORE THAT DICTIONARY DEFINITIONS.

    YOUR THEORIES ARE DEAD WRONG.

  • LOL

    SEE BILLY, JUST BECAUSE TODAYS REGGAE, AND THE REGGAE THAT THE JAMACIAN KIDS LISTEN TOO DOESNT SOUND LIKE 1960′S REGGAE.

    IT DOESNT MEAN ITS NOT REGGAE!

    AND JUST BECAUSE SOME WHITE KIDS IN MONTREAL TRY TO RIP OFF THE SOUND OF 1960′S REGGAE.

    IT DOESNT MAKE THOSE KIDS “MORE REGGAE” , THAN THE SAME KIDS THAT LIVE IN KINGSTON MAKING MUSIC AND LISTENING TO MUSIC THAT DOESNT SOUND LIKE THE REGGAE OF OLD.

    YOU ARE REALLY SAD DUDE.

    YOU HAVE NO LOGIC.

    INTELLIGENCE IS MORE THAN DICTIONARY DEFINITIONS.

  • LOL

    Does this emcee exude empathy towards poor and disenfranchised peoples?

    ^^^^^^^^^^^

    WHAT EMCEE DOESNT YOU NERDBALL?

  • LOL

    DO YOU PERFORM TO WHITE KIDS AT ROCK THE BELLS FOR EXTORTIONATE PRICES?

    THEN YOU ARE HIPHOP LOL

  • T.R.E.Y.

    the whole rap vs. hip hop (and now rappers vs. emcees i guess, thanks to KRS’s amusing lame verse on “Classic”) is jez contrived. i mean i guess it’s good that you ain’t doin’ the retarded “underground is that really real hip hop, mainstream is rap” argument, and i get the whole music v. culture deal, but still.

  • Loquaicous1

    yo who’s this LOL kid? all I know is you sound mad ignorant typing up such blasphemous statements. At the end of the day we all just want to hear good music, and as of today good music is rarely played on radio,tv or any form of public broadcast. Billy was simply pointing out the difference in cats that actually spit verses that mean something and the ones that have no conceptual value at all i.e. the cats he listed in the rappers category. Theres an enormous difference between rap and hip hop to those that understand what good hip hop is. Whens the last time you’ve seen a radio rapper pour his heart in soul into a live performance to get the crowd moving? oh my bad that never happens. All they do is rock studio tracks with there vocals on the beats and get 90 other cats to start an unintelligible and cataphonic chant son. Real mc’s who live the lifestyle that hip hop entails actually focus on bringing truth and further enlightening the people who choose to listen to their musical catalogues whether live or recorded. If you cant notice the difference between a Rakim verse and a yung Jeezy verse you must just be mentally incoherent. Anyways props to anyone showing love the the real hip hop culture! one love.

  • billy is always getting ethered by lol

    yo billy you know your shit is wack when you getting ethered by LOL.

    maybe if you try to be more original with your shit this top five rappers top five emcees is getting wack and only people who just started to listen to hiphop will jump at that shit.

  • LOL

    *WAITS FOR BILLY X TO DELETE MY POSTS*

  • boner jams 03

    where is andre 3000??the only rapper in history to NEVER spit a wack averse…

  • Danny

    Good post… I must say…

  • GTFOH

    Billy you are pathetic why did you delete my shit, coz I did not agree with you?

    Iam say it again LoL is always ethering you and you stay loosing, with your pointless difinetion of real hiphop you are a fat looser dick head

  • Rockcity

    Wtf is this?

  • clarknova

    Billy, you gotta take Mos Def off your list. He’s an actor now, not a hip hop artist (see his last two albums for proof). Like ANY person who can rap but has been able to transition into a successful acting career, he has fallen off in the rhyming arena. See also: any rapper who has ever become an actor, minus, of course, Tupac.

  • GTFOH

    here’s an idea billy write about how Oj is the most hard body nigga ever, you are good with those jinda post anyway

  • Chubb Rock

    where is andre 3000??the only rapper in history to NEVER spit a wack averse…

    ^^^^^^^^^
    co-sign!!!!!!!!

    3000 is the best period!!!!!!

  • Rich Arte

    wake me up when LOL stops laughing at himself.

  • LOL

    NIGGAS GETTIN MONEY > HIPHOP

  • Worley

    Damn, the young boys had a lot to say before they skateboarded to Emily Dickinson High School.

    Sunday, I feel you on Redman. That n*gga is sick with the lyrics. I took years of abuse for listening to dude, but it was worth it. That n*gga spit it crazy on Dare is a Darkside. Wuditlooklike is still my sh*t. “To the best of my ability/I rock any facility/and fuck the yellow cabs I smoke buddha out the liveries.” Classic sh*t.

  • Fire

    Billy,
    No Nas? Come on, Nas is one of the best MCs ever dead or alive. That was a surprise. But Black Thought is amazing.

    Second, rapper and MC are synonyms. I see what the point is behind seperating them, but really the only difference is in subject matter, which overlaps between “rappers and MCs”, i.e. people who talk about worthwhile intelligent things and people who talk about materialistic dead end bullshit.

    There’s been some “rappers” that have talked about deep topics and some “MCs” that have talked about frivolous and superficial things like materialism. Personally, I like both, though I like intelligent music that tries to uplift and create change FAR more, but to each his own. For anybody who doesn’t agree, go crank dat Soulja Boy or lean and rock.

  • Fire

    LOL,

    Using your brain>being complacent

  • Atl’s own

    man are you retarded, you made a post about semantics!?

    there is no difference between the 2 words, other than the the shit u self-imposed.

  • Around and Around

    From 4:21 to 5:11 LOL of the CAP LOCK CLICK spent his time writing comments….I’m just sayin

  • LOL

    XXL EXISTS BECAUSE “RAPPER” MADE HIPHOP SUPER POPULAR.

    BILLY X SUNDAY HAS A JOB BECUASE OF “RAPPERS”

    THE HIGH PERCENTAGE FOR HOWARD AND MORGAN STATE GRADUATES THAT END UP WORKING IN THE INDUSTRY IS BECAUSE OF “RAPPERS”.

    THE INTERNS , DIRECTORS ,POST PRODUCTION PEOPLE , HOST , SOUND ENGINEERS , EDITORS, BLACK FEMALE MODELS…ALL HAVE A CAREER OF THE BACK OF “RAPPERS!

    USE UR BRAIN ONCE IN A WHILE WHITE BOY FIRE.

  • jeff

    where is andre 3000??the only rapper in history to NEVER spit a wack averse…
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    i love Andre, but man..he has certainly spit spme wack shit before.

    -land of a million drums (Scooby Doo Sdtk)
    -funkanella (Backstage Sdtk)

    but also, he has spit some of the most amazing shit i have ever heard a person say

    -Everlasting (Nothing 2 Lose Sdtk.)
    -Phobia (Higher Learning Sdtk.)
    -Thought Process (Goodie Mob Soul Food album)

  • LOL

    Around and Around Says:

    September 18th, 2007 at 8:57 am

    From 4:21 to 5:11 LOL of the CAP LOCK CLICK spent his time writing comments….I’m just sayin

    ^^^^^^^

    YOU WHERE HERE TO MONITOR MY EVERY POST , YOU JUST PROVED YOURSELF AS A LOSER.

    YOU HAVE NOTHING TO ADD, LOG OFF HOMIE

  • http://xxl timmy

    Good points made. the emcee list in on point.

  • LowEndofDaChi

    There’s a term used to define the likes of LOL, its “lil nigga”.

    Times have changed fam, people across all color lines are embracing hip hop culture. Spewing nonsense on a message board in protest is just an exercise in futility.

    Plus we all know mom dukes would beat the hell out of your prepubescent ass if she read what you post on here (assuming that the bitch can even read).

  • KFrizzle

    Speaking of having nothing to add and constantly monitoring posts…LOL, how many times are you gonna use that same “white boy compensating for liking hip-hop” line? You fucking sit on these forums hitting F5 every 60 seconds so that you can “son” all these so called white boys. It must be very satisfying being an Internet gangsta, bigot, idiot, homo and self-described loser. You steppin outta pocket callin anyone else on these forums a loser man as many times as I see your punk ass comments on every blog. Just stay on your Cam’ron shit bitch tryin to drag everyone into a war of words cuz really, just like Cam, ain’t no one interested…SHOW THE POOL IN THE BACK.

  • WhoDat

    Billy I feel you on this. If these posters could stop hating just to get people revved up then they could feel you (no ‘mo) too. Rappers today are the niggas that have decided to conform to the media hype about hip hop and are playing off of it for a profit. They get paid to become a persona and that’s all we see or hear from. You really can’t blame them, however, that’s BIG MONEY they get for it. Not one of you can tell me that “I Get It” is a song that you will look back on and want to hear 24/7 like you would any song off of Reasonable Doubt. It’s not going to happen. But for right now, it’s a club banger. Shit, it’s sitting in my car right now and I can’t wait to crank it after work. But it’s evidence of what Billy’s talking about. It’s commercialized music that in the end, isn’t about shit and is gonna be played out before Halloween. “I Get Money”…No shit nigga, you 50 Cent. Look at a Mos Def or a Black Thought (I love that addition) or a Lupe. These cats don’t go triple uranium in their first week like 50, but damn it if they don’t rap about some real issues. Pick up True Magic by Mos and tell me he ain’t on some preaching shit. He is talking about what’s going on and what’s relevant and that’s the difference between a dude like him and a dude like 50 or Cam. The division came when all these dudes started to glorify the drug game and rap became synonymous (look it up, LOL) with it. That’s when you started to see the emcees–the guys not affiliated with all that–really branch away and try to separate themselves from that image. I may not agree with the specific criteria you used to judge them, but there is DEFINITELY a difference so if you don’t think so, wake up. And it ain’t about whose white and black and whose buying what type of record. It’s about taste. If you like to hear real shit, buy Common or Kanye (I would argue he is an emcee before a rapper). If you want something that you would hear in a club, with commercial funding and an obviously calculated persona, buy 50 or Cam. I like both genres so I ain’t gettin’ on either one nor am I picking a side. But for any of ya’ll to call out Billy for this post ain’t gonna happen, dog. He’s on some real shit so open them eyes and see what’s happening right in front of you. YUP.

    By the way (to BX): The reason I would say Kanye is an emcee is because in my eyes, emcees tend to cover more globally-framed issues like Mos Def’s “Katrina Clap”, Kanye’s “Jesus Walks”, and Common’s anything–literally any of his songs are for real. Kanye does this, but appeals to the rap crowd because of his immense background in the game making the beats that so many RAPPERS jump on. So that’s why he walks the fine line. You ain’t gonna see 50 Cent jumping on a telathon to throw out “George Bush hates black people” just like you wouldn’t see Common out selling Formula Common Vitamin Water. It’s just two different realms.

  • http://www.plasticsquirtguns.blogspot.com thoreauly77

    i don’t even know where to begin except to say that this post was fucking great.

    oh and to all on the thread, just ignore LOL and he will go away.

  • Around and Around

    LOL Says:

    YOU WHERE HERE TO MONITOR MY EVERY POST , YOU JUST PROVED YOURSELF AS A LOSER
    ——–
    It took me 10 seconds to browse your 25 fucking posts, well you spent the entire fucking morning typing in ALL CAPS.

    Just press that little button next to the A on your keyboard…or maybe you got that shit stuck from a previous cyber session, sick ass lil nigga. It’s only like 25 bones for a new keyboard head to best buy or circit city or something, shit I’ll send your nasty ass a gift cert. if you need it?

  • HEY SUNGAY!!!

    There’s no thinking or themes required when listening to ol’ boy’s music and sometimes it’s actually good to shut off one’s brain.
    ^^
    SO what was “Many Men” or “Baltimore love thing”?? Huh Sungay? you fucking coward!!

  • RBMC

    Redman over Talib, No mathamatics!for the dude who said take mos off the list he aint hip hop learn about the culture and stop being and ignoramous Hip Hop culture is all facets. Hip Hop is something you live rap/MC is something you do!! Remeber that !!! Word

  • lookadeez

    now thats whats up! nice list and I dig the rationale homey!

  • these posts are racist

    Quarter water probably helped exacerbate my asthma as a shorty.

    Nice post Billy, I enjoyed reading it.

  • EReal

    Yo, just like 50 said in an interview.
    “Puffy dosent make music video’s, he makes commercials. I make most of my money on things that arent related to music, so the music thing is like commercials”
    Say what you want 50 speaks the truth.

    1 hunned.

  • http://xxlmag.com houston’s finest

    good look on ranking cam up there, he’s really underrated.

  • LowEndofDaChi

    Props to the post WHODAT, Kanye is actually more along the lines of an emcee, especially when considering the characteristics Billy laid out for distinction.

    I’d also throw Scarface, MF Doom, Andre 3000, or Phonte in the emcee category.

    And yeah, Killa Cam is that dude. I’ve sipped many a fifth listening to Purple Haze, Killa Season, and the first Diplomats album.

  • LOL

    KFrizzle Says:

    September 18th, 2007 at 10:08 am

    I see your punk ass comments on every blog.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    PROVING UR ON HERE JUST AS MUCH AS ME LMAO WHAT A DUMBASS.

    KEEP BODYIN YASELF,

  • GTFOH

    this faggot says “you wouldn’t see Common out selling Formula Common Vitamin Water. It’s just two different realms”.

    same dude who made gap commercials

  • LOL

    BTW

    HOW THE FUCK IS GHOSTFACE NOT GLORYFYING DRUGS AND GUNS , FUCKOUTTAHERE.

    WU-TANG SPIT PURE IGNORANCE FOR 10 FUCKING YEARS.

    THIS WHOLE THEORY IS BULLSHIT

  • LowEndofDaChi

    GTFOH, could you please quote some lyrics from Common repping the Gap in a song?

  • og bobby j

    LowEndofDaChi Says:

    September 18th, 2007 at 10:01 am
    There’s a term used to define the likes of LOL, its “lil nigga”.

    Times have changed fam, people across all color lines are embracing hip hop culture. Spewing nonsense on a message board in protest is just an exercise in futility.

    Plus we all know mom dukes would beat the hell out of your prepubescent ass if she read what you post on here (assuming that the bitch can even read).

    ————————————-

    ETHER

  • HEY SUNGAY!!!!!

    Well COWARD??!!?

  • Rich Arte

    LOL, go hug a thornbush…

    Rap is a form of hip-hop, just like breakdancing, dj-ing, and graffiti. There are many different genres of rap, like conscious, gangsta, mainstream, etc. as well as r&b.

    You must take into consideration the different audiences these artists record for. 50 is trying to reach mainstream, hood cats, even pop appeal, while Common is doin it for “the people”

    Everybody do yourself a favor and go to youtube and type in “hip hop joelle ortiz” and say that aint hip hop.

    LOL…you are on timeout from this post…matter fact, you on punishment from this post. You are no longer allowed to voice your opinion….you have ethered yourself.

    @TPAR, way to make a nigga go to dictionary.com (exacerbate)

  • allnice

    Your list is a solid attempt, but you made a few mistakes. Let me correct you real quick.

    Best Emcees

    Redman
    Nas
    MF Doom
    Jay-Z
    Lil Wayne

    First, your list is messed up because Redman is the only emcee on it that spits ill shit consistently. All the other emcees you name haven’t said anything ill in years. And you really went for a reach saying Common and Mos Def. Those dudes haven’t been nice since 1999 sonny. At least you didn’t go totally neo soul and say Kweli. I think you are rating live shows just a lil bit too high. I saw the Roots twice in concert and while they were good, I felt that Black Thought was pretty much the standard battle mc. The rest of the Roots band were way more interesting than he is, but that is just my opinon. Ghost can’t compete with Meth, GZA, or Raekwon for lyrical dominance or showmanship. I saw Meth and Red rock the the hell out of the BlackOut concert. If you are gonna put Ghost up there, you better add Meth dunny.

    Now for best rappers, you are almost totally correct except for a few minor changes I had to make.

    Best Rappers
    50 Cent
    Kanye West
    T.I.
    Young Jeezy
    Game

    Billy, you just don’t like consistency. Why else would you pick Cam who hasn’t had a decent hit in years? Shit you can even put Fat Joe up there ahead of Cam. T-Pain was obviously a joke, but a better joke would be Kellz since he is the better sing-rapper. 50 is the best rapper right now, but Kanye might be gaining on him. T.I. is solid at 3rd with Young Jeezy on his heels. Game holds down all of Cali by himself, so you have to add him to the list and he did have a good album last year. Now lets look at emcees and rappers that fell off….hard.

    Fall Out Emcees

    Mos Def
    Kweli
    Jay-Z (tied with Lil Wayne)
    Common
    Busta Rhymes

    These cats are nowhere near as good as they used to be in their prime. Nas almost made this list, but he balanced himself out with the lyrical and creative effort that was Hip Hop is Dead. Let me break it down for you cats: Mos, Kweli, and Common haven’t been nice since 1999. Since then, their skills have diminished.I can’t blame Common because he has been spitting fire for years and you run out of ill shit to say after a while when you are that type of rapper (unless you are Redman of course). Jay is just getting old and he just doesn’t know what’s hot anymore, but he still can spit witty throwaway rhymes that any emcee would feen to have in their rhymebook. Lil Wayne is still nice, but he is fizzling out fast. His similes are getting pretty predicatable and even childish. I think 50 was right when he said dude is on too many songs. He needs to slow down on the remixs and focus on his own product. And Busta is just a head scratcher. He used to be really nice, but I don’t know what happened. He just got tired of putting in that effort so all his fans gave up on him.

    Fall Out Rappers

    Camron
    50 Cent
    DMX
    LL Cool J
    Eminem

    Cmon Billy face the facts, Camron is washed up. He got into a war with 50 and now all of Dipset is divided and conquered before his eyes. I mean, 50 performing with Jim Jones and Juelz…..It’s a rap daddy. What was the last Cam song that was hot? Oh Boy….and then he disappears. I know you are a Dipset fanatic, but you have to realize the truth by now son. DMX and LL fell so hard I still can’t believe it. They used to have the charts on smash. I guess once Jay took over, he made sure he personally ethered their careers. 50 is nowhere near Get Rich or Die Trying level and it is almost amazing that he made it this far. His skills on the mic are horrible, but he still knows how to make a good hook and bang out those club friendly songs. Eminem is so totally washed up that I can’t believe he would want to come back. That mixtape he dropped was ok when he wasn’t on any of the tracks. The Akon spit was horrible too. He’ll sell Yeezy and 50 numbers if he comes back out, but the album is going to suck for real.

  • Around and Around

    allnice Says:

    September 18th, 2007 at 11:43 am
    Your list is a solid attempt, but you made a few mistakes. Let me correct you real quick.

    Best Emcees

    Redman
    Nas
    MF Doom
    Jay-Z
    Lil Wayne
    —————
    I puked in my mouth when I read lil wayne

  • Ryan

    Haha. I enjoyed this post as well, and I enjoy LOL’s commentary. He’s what’s wrong with the educational system today.

  • HEY SUNGAY!!!!!!!!!!! ANSWER YOU FAYGO COWARD!!!!

    BILLY X SUNDAY Says:

    September 18th, 2007 at 11:48 am
    Fuck you LOL. your a fuckin retard. you’d suck 50’s dick if told you to. Your a dumbass and need to go back and suck on your mommas tit you faggot.
    ^^
    Theres no way thats Sungay, even I know he’s not THAT stupid. But he is a fucking coward. Answer my question bitchmade!!!

  • N.O. 4 life

    its a pretty good post…i think the lists can be a lil stronger….i would say wayne was an emcee until you reached the live performance part…his are trash…i also thought that you would put joell ortiz on the emcee lists because he is the defintion of the hungry emcee….the thing all of them start off hungry but then they get rich….

    ALLNICE…you cant really say wayne is falling off because mixtapes are the source of your opinion…mixtapes count for hype if its good but not really anything else…we can only wait till the Carter 3 drops….ya digg

  • LOL

    BILLY X SUNDAY Says:

    September 18th, 2007 at 11:48 am

    Fuck you LOL. your a fuckin retard. you’d suck 50’s dick if told you to. Your a dumbass and need to go back and suck on your mommas tit you faggot.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    ONCE AGAIN YOU RETURN WITH THAT GAY SHIT.

    WHY IS THAT SHIT ALWYAS ON UR MIND.

    U SAY TALKIN THAT HOMO SHIT 24/7.

    THATS HOW I KNOW UR A WHITE KID.

    CAUSE WHITE KIDS ALWAYS BRING UP HOMO STUFF WHEN ITS NOT EVEN IN THE CONVO.

    I DIDNT EVEN TALK ABOUT 50 CENT, WTF IS WRONG WITH U MAN

    LMAO

  • LowEndofDaChi

    Around and Around Says:

    September 18th, 2007 at 11:48 am
    allnice Says:

    September 18th, 2007 at 11:43 am
    Your list is a solid attempt, but you made a few mistakes. Let me correct you real quick.

    Best Emcees

    Redman
    Nas
    MF Doom
    Jay-Z
    Lil Wayne
    —————
    I puked in my mouth when I read lil wayne
    —————————————–

    Wayne is definitely not one of the best emcees, but he is one of the hottest doing it now. I give the dude props for stepping his game up drastically though, b/c pre-Squad Up Wayne was undoubtedly boo boo. I mess with the cat now b/c not only is it obvious that he enjoys spitting, but he sounds cool doing it. Most of that kid’s verses as of late have been filled w/flavor (something that the game’s been missing).

  • NYC 4 life

    TOP 5 MC’S:
    Nasty Nas
    Nas
    Escobar
    Nasir Jones
    All time King of New York dead or alive (Guess who? Yeah I said it, better then BIGGIE!

    One!

  • Content

    Blogging is the 109th element of hip-hop

  • Ghost Deini

    Lil Wayne isn’t an MC. Lil Wayne is a rapper. You need to have some range in your lyrics to be an MC, and Wayne most certainly doesnt have that. NUFF SAID.

  • http://xxl.com NY 4 LIFE

    TOP 5 MC’S:
    NAS
    NASTY NAS
    ESCOBAR
    NASIR JONES
    ALL TIME KING OF NY (Guess who? Yeah I said it better then Biggie!)

    One!

  • dez

    if weezy could channel his flow into a story would he be considered a MC?

  • these posts are racist

    Billy,

    I think this article can take it a step further. I view Hip Hop as an art. I believe in 200 years, it will be just like classical music…timeless, etc.

    One thing we need to do is define ourselves and educate ourselves. I see two types of hip hop. The one is the “bling, fuck a bitch, kill, make money” hip hop. And the other is the “change the world from the grassroots, activist” hip hop.

    The two are battling each other. The “blingers” accuse the “activists” of hating, while the “activists” accuse the “blingers” of selling out. There are also sub-conflicts between these two groups.

    Overall though, I think there needs to be a compromise between the two. The “activists” need to support the “blingers” and not only when it relates to funding whatever project they’re pushing and the “blingers” need to support the “activists” and not only when it helps their bottom line.

    The two need to engage in real “criticism” of the other’s “ART” work as hip hop artists. If it’s wack, say it, if it’s fresh, say it. Neither is “greater” than the other. But in order for Hip Hop to survive as an Art form, we need to achieve this level of ability of (i) Defining ourselves; and (ii) criticing ourselves.

  • LowEndofDaChi

    Ghost Deini-

    You say Wayne has no range, and I guess that’s a valid opinion to have. But judging by your name, are you comparing his range to that of Ghostface? I mean don’t get me wrong, I’m a huge fan of Ghostface, but for most of his hey day in the early 90′s, did you really understand half the shit he spit out? I mean, it still SOUNDED dope right? He did SOUND like he was having fun doing it, right? Plus on the past two Fishscale albums, for the most part he rhymes about guns and drugs with a few humorous odes to chicks strewn about.

    Would you consider that range? And if so, to what magnitude? I’m just sayin’.

  • Moniker

    This list is just absolute bullshit. Billy emcees to you=”good hiphop” and rappers=”bad hiphop”

    ALL THOSE EMCEES ARE RAPPERS

    Stop trying to divide rap, next thing you’ll say is Nas isn’t a rapper but an emcee. Like I dig Redman a lot, but hes pretty much the Lil’ Wayne of yesteryear…the ultimate punchline rapper(not hating on punchline rappers just saying). Stop trying to divide hip-hop. Sometimes I dig listening to shit about drugs/guns/hoes/bitches. Other times I dig listening to socially conscious shit.

    IT’S ALL GOOD

  • Fire

    LOL,
    Are you blind? I said I agree with you on not seperating rappers and MCs because the two are synonyms and it’s totally ridiculous to think that seperating them accomplishes anything. Subject matter is the difference, not some bullshit label. I AGREE with you on that point, LOL.

    But what I didn’t agree with you on is you said that getting money was greater than hip hop. Getting money’s cool and important, but not the illegal way that people talk about it. I was attacking the way they get it, not getting it itself. I was trying to attack how complacency is too relevant in the world these days, not just hip hop. That wasn’t a jab at you, you paranoid SOB. OPEN YOUR EYES.

  • http://xxlmag.com Billy X. Sunday

    There’s so many good comments on this thread that I can’t address all of you individually (Thoreauly, TPAR, Whodat, allnice, et.al).

    So let me start here…

    The emcee is the master of the ceremony. This is more than simply semantics and more than just rapping. It’s having a command of the art of speaking over music, or without music at all. It requires a talented mind to create free flowing verse that interconnects to the audience and the content.

    Being a rapper isn’t a bad thing either. Rappers do create songs that resonate with the listener and rappers are typically paid well when the raps they create spur consumerism.

    With that being said, all rap IS NOT Hip-Hop. Karl Rove is on videotape rapping. You would be an idiot to argue that he isn’t rapping at that press event. Rapping is simply speaking/singing rhyming verses over music.

    Doug E. Fresh is one of the greatest emcees of all time. He wasn’t such a good rapper though, but he could use his voice and his talents to move a crowd

  • jg420

    By the way (to BX): The reason I would say Kanye is an emcee is because in my eyes, emcees tend to cover more globally-framed issues like Mos Def’s “Katrina Clap”, Kanye’s “Jesus Walks”, and Common’s anything–literally any of his songs are for real. Kanye does this, but appeals to the rap crowd because of his immense background in the game making the beats that so many RAPPERS jump on. So that’s why he walks the fine line. You ain’t gonna see 50 Cent jumping on a telathon to throw out “George Bush hates black people” just like you wouldn’t see Common out selling Formula Common Vitamin Water. It’s just two different realms.

    ^^^ Co-sign all of Whodat’s comment, but I also agree about kanye. At least he tries to step out of the box with his lyrical context, and why does LOL always type in caps?

  • LOL

    BILLY X SUNDAY IS OFFICIALLY WHITE.

  • Fire

    LOL Says:

    September 18th, 2007 at 1:43 pm
    BILLY X SUNDAY IS OFFICIALLY WHITE.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Why, because he disagrees with you and likes intelligent music (I don’t know what you like, but going by how you sound, you sound like you like dumb music)? Why do people use so much racial bullshit? Weren’t you the same one saying I was unconsciously racist just because I’m white in another post? That’s pretty ignorant. Let’s think before we talk, shall we?

  • JD3

    Black Thought is the truth

  • http://xxlmag.com Billy X. Sunday

    ^ I’m trying to tell y’all that Black Thought is one of the best to ever do it.

    How you gonna have everyone’s catalog inside of your brain? And be able to pull it out at the drop of a dime…

  • these posts are racist

    Billy,

    I think your distinction is valid and not simply a semantical argument. Karl Rove and his cronies where mocking Hip Hop, using “rap”. We who are Hip Hop and believe it to be an Art and want to see it survive as an Art form, have a duty to define and educate ourselves, by ourselves and by using our own tools. Others use the tools we created, we need to use our own tools to push our art form forward and to define and educate oursleves.

  • http://xxlmag.com Billy X. Sunday

    TPAR,
    Exactly. I’m not even sure if this is the TPAR from previous drops but that statement you just made is my sentiment one thousand percent.

    Hip-Hop is all about inclusivity but there still needs to be some gatekeeping done so that even when the riff raff come through the door they know we are watching them and we will kick their ass out if we have to.

    The African American community also needs to do some gatekeeping, especially when it concerns the people in the commmunity that are bloodsuckers, from bodega corner store owners, to drug pushers.

  • these posts are racist

    P.S.,

    Just because we disagree on other things (our Africa arguments, etc.), doesn’t mean we can’t agree on other issues.

    More importantly, as long as we discuss things in good faith, we’ll make progress.

  • Cuban Link

    For the most part I’ll co-sign to what you said, but Billy, how does T-Pain pass as a rapper? He SINGS, he doesnt RAP. He really doesnt sing either, but I’ll at least give him the benefit of the doubt.Rapping? Not so much.

    And anyone doubting Black Thought need to be shot.He is arguably one of the most underrated MCs ever, along with cats like Jeru and AZ

    Emcees are better and more talented, but usually, Rappers are more fun.However there are exceptions, like Redman, who makes some of the most fun shit to wild out too.

    Emcees though are there for that realness and that break from the clubs and parties all the time.Thats just my opinion though

  • WEEZ

    NAS SHOULD BE IN BOTH LISTS EASY..T-PAIN? THAT DUDE CANNOT SPIT

  • tseliot

    com has dropped off since like water for chocolate. add him to the rapper category since his care for “poor and disenfranchised peoples” tends more toward what fills his pockets these days, and his rhymes can only be as socially relevent as the way he lives his cotdamn life, right? …btw, this coming from someone who was into com well back in the day before all the new jacks stepped on the hip-hop train and found the granola-chomping, hat-manufacturing corporate entity common and labelled him as “intellectual.” fuckin’ please.

    and black thought did a great rockstar impression at lolla. that’s about all i can say about him anymore. anyone else miss malik b?

  • AE

    WHERES LUPE??????

  • Gutta

    You are a hater so your list should have an asterisk

  • LOL MUST BE A GAY WHITE TEENAGER!!!

    Come on now. You really are trying to tell me that Tupac and Lil’ Wayne belong in the same classification? Or Biggie and Young Jeezy? Or Nas and T.I.?

    True, they may have talked about the same things,(drugs,hoesw,violence), but it was how they talked about it. Tupac and Nas talk about the violence as a disappointing occurrence in everyday life in the ghetto. Weezy, Jeezy, and T.I. glorify and capitalize on it. There is no real talk about the struggle, real talk. Biggie glorified crime, but also glorified the struggle to get to the point he was at and looked to further his own development.

    Tupac, Nas, and Biggie all looked to uplift the hood. Jeezy and Weezy want to keep the hood down so they can keep making that drug money. Fast money fast life fast death, that is the only consistency in their lives as depicted or portrayed. T.I. is a little different, he seems to realize the mistakes he made and is trying to rectify those mistakes, I think and hope.

    Emcees keep hip-hop alive. Hip-hop is the culture and rap was created so that the inhabitants of that culture would have an avenue to vent their frustrations about their place in a society that didn’t listen or care about the ghetto. A society that was more concerned with gettin’ money than giving help. There is not a divide in hip-hop because those who proclaim that rap and hip-hop are synomonous are ignorant as to what hip-hop is and therefore are not a part of the culture.

    GREAT POST BILLY !!!!!!

    And at the risk of sounding childish

    LOL!!! GET A F@(#ING LIFE OR A CLUE!!!!

  • KING BLAIR

    THANK YOU NO LIL’WANG

  • VLsteve

    the whole article billy, made me tear, the Redman thing was vastly far beyond point

    Co-Sign

  • k0nfidence

    im not gonna make my own list now, because if i wanted to i’d do it on my on website instead of a message board, and i’m too high right now. i just wanted to say thank you to billy x. for putting ghostface into the best emcees list. give chamillionaire another album and he’ll be on the top 5 rappers list.

    p.s. ultimate victory was fire

    pps oh yeah redman is the shit and his album was bomb too

  • LOL

    LOL MUST BE A GAY WHITE TEENAGER!!! Says:

    September 18th, 2007 at 3:56 pm

    Come on now. You really are trying to tell me that Tupac and Lil’ Wayne belong in the same classification? Or Biggie and Young Jeezy? Or Nas and T.I.?

    True, they may have talked about the same things,(drugs,hoesw,violence), but it was how they talked about it. Tupac and Nas talk about the violence as a disappointing occurrence in everyday life in the ghetto. Weezy, Jeezy, and T.I. glorify and capitalize on it. There is no real talk about the struggle, real talk. Biggie glorified crime, but also glorified the struggle to get to the point he was at and looked to further his own development.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    HOLY LAZY GENERALIZATION BATMAN.

    *PLAYS BODY IN THE TRUNK BY NAS & NORE*

  • mr martin

    notice all the emcees started their careers pre 1997 and the rappers post 1997

  • JD3

    damn i wish more emcees would do shows in Atlanta. we got too many rappers

  • MZA

    Emcees are rappers.

    Hip-hop is rap.

    Hip-hop is good.

    Goddamn, you claim to like positive music, yet you’re so fucking negative.

  • lol

    LOL@ COMMON AND MOS DEF NOT BEING CORPORATE.

    MUST HAVE MISSED THAT MIRAMAX MOVIE AND THOSE GAP COMMERCIALS

  • MFKNRMX

    I agree with Ivan . It’s all hip hop. All that catigorization is a result of the media needing to put shit in a box so that it’s easier to sell their line bullshit. Some of it’s good some of it’s ass but it’s all hip hop! You cant have dope shit with out bullshit to offset it. Remember that.

  • JD3

    so people that like positive music cant criticize other music? too many of yall niggas say someone is a hater because he doesn’t care for a certain artist. like all because Lil Wayne says he is “the best rapper alive” doesn’t mean i gotta like his music. and so many of yall are like “quit bein a hater.” i don’t gotta like anybody. i listen to whoever i wanna listen to

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  • http://crocker_man4yahoo.com LOL Needs A Life

    Read name, smoke blunt, find courage, approach girl, don’t stutter, lose virginity, take two aspirin for the headache you’ll both have in the morning cause it ain’t happening sober, repeat twice and loosen belt and turtleneck. BEST OF LUCK, Your Favorite Cracker, Crocker

  • Accurate

    Having ur own opinion > Taking what Billy Said Serious.
    Its his fuccen blog, his opinion, he can say whatever, dont fuccen take it so serious. What u think is what counts.
    “Opinoins r like Assholes, er’body got one”

  • LOL

    NEWSFLASH BILLY X FAGDAY

    HIPHOP PARODIES AINT NOTHING NEW!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ00laVt62c

  • ThingAlec

    Um for the emcees, instead of Mos Def (who’s last album was laughable) put Nas. Thats a no brainer. And instead of T-Pain who isnt even a rapper. Put Jay-Z.

  • JD3

    i dont care what Billy X. Sunday says or what Billy Graham says, i’ll think whatever i wanna think

  • LOL

    WHAT ABOUT KOOL G RAP, BIG DADDY KANE, 2 LIVE CREW, N.W.A?

    THEY WERE ALWAY HIPHOP.

    BUT SUDDENLY IN 2007 , BECAUSE YOU DECIDE YOU WANT TO SEGRIGATE HIPHOP (BASED ON SOME STUPID RULES YOU MADE UP….BACKPACKER/INSCENTS HIPHOP VS STREET HIPHOP.)

    THEYRE IN ANOTHER CATEGORY NOW???

    YOU FUCKING HERB! LMAO

  • Purcey

    2pac
    nas
    sigel
    b.i.g.
    reed dollaz

  • EXPOSER!

    You gotta love Fatty X. SucksGays selective question answering. AKA Those that agree with him. Fake ass bitch. You know ur Dallas Penn the fat fuckin “Ghetto Big Mac” eatin “Internets Celebrtiy” with ur faggot mexican boyfriend you fuckin cock sucker. Answer my question you coward fuck! Fake ass wanna be super hero fat fuck. Stop eating fat man!! Just stop it! Ur just a wananbe white like Bol’s gay ass. Ur a straight coward faggot and you should die slow and horrible you fat fucking cock suckin piece of shit. forreal. BEYATCH.

    You’ve been EXPOSED!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    EXPOSER! Says:
    Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    September 19th, 2007 at 10:32 am
    You gotta love Fatty X. SucksGays selective question answering. AKA Those that agree with him. Fake ass bitch. You know ur Dallas Penn the fat fuckin “Ghetto Big Mac” eatin “Internets Celebrtiy” with ur faggot mexican boyfriend you fuckin cock sucker. Answer my question you coward fuck! Fake ass wanna be super hero fat fuck. Stop eating fat man!! Just stop it! Ur just a wananbe white like Bol’s gay ass. Ur a straight coward faggot and you should die slow and horrible you fat fucking cock suckin piece of shit. forreal. BEYATCH.

    You’ve been EXPOSED!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://myspace.com/lifemusicmoney Percival

    Not only do I find it hard to believe that Andre3000 wasn’t added to either list, he wasn’t even mentioned. That’s crazy

  • whatever

    that lsit you made sucks.
    here is the real top 5 list
    emcees: 1.cormega 2. biggie 3. cam’ron 4. jay z 5. jadakiss.
    rappers 1. ti 2. ludacris 3. the game 4. lil wayne 5. 50 cent

  • RBMC

    Some of you youngins got it all twisted. 1st off the top five list is corny straight wic wic wack and irrelevant Redman is dope(Oldhead)though second GET THIS RIGHT,EMCEEs (Mic Controllers) are rappers!!Hello!! learn your culture. Hip Hop Culture on the whole is lost on a generation of ghetto fab kids who think ignorance and self hate are key factors in hip hop culture. You dumb mfs perpatrating a modern day minstral show at every waking moment! That my friends is not hip hop. All Mighty ZULU Nation stand up

  • Comin from a young backpack fan

    MC
    NAS
    Common
    Royce
    Lupe Fiasco
    ??????

    Rappers
    50 Cent
    Jay Z
    T.I.
    Kanye
    Lil Wayne

  • eng105

    You have to be kidding me. I agree with some of the poeple, your missing the hit list. Wheres NAS, Juelz Santana, and Lil’ Wayne. Come on man you gotta make sure you put the best in. That’s only a few off my head, don’t make me pull out the history books. If your gonna ever do anything like this be sure ro do your research, something like this isn’t an easy topic.

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