Chicago hates free speech

“I respect the First Amendment, but rights without responsibility is anarchy, and that’s much of what we have now. It’s time for responsible people to stand up and accept responsibility.” – Bobby Rush, Democratic Representative from Chicago

“There’s only two sides to the debate on free speech. You’re either for it or you’re against it.” – Tom Morello, guitarist for Rage Against the Machine, whom I believe is also from Chicago, albeit the far suburbs

A few weeks ago, in a post about how we’re no longer allowed to call a black woman a ho even if she’s dressed like one, I suggested that the firing of Don Imus for having an opinion on the grade of a black woman’s hair was an example of McCarthyism.

The comments section’s own TPAR, however, responded that this wasn’t an example of McCarthyism, since McCarthyism involves state harassment which causes someone to lose their job, where as the force that brought down Imus was a simple phone harassment campaign against Imus’ employers by interest groups who probably never listened to his show a day in their life.

Whatever. You know how TPAR loves to engage in semantic debates, not to mention the fact that he’s with the terrorists. I’m sure if he had it his way, all sorts of thought crimes would be punishable by acts of public mutilation, stonings and what have. The thing is, it looks like the government is getting in on the war against a black man’s right to free speech, which I’m pretty sure would actually make this McCarthyism under the TPAR definition. It’ll be interesting to see what his response is to this.

As was noted today in this site’s ur-useful headlines section, Rep. Bobby Rush, a Democrat from the South Side of Chicago who also happens to be chairman of the House Subcommittee on Commerce, Trade, and Consumer Protection, has called for a hearing on stereotypes and degrading images of women in hip-hop song lyrics and music videos.

Ruh roh.

You know the shit done hit the fan when Congress is having a hearing – called by a black guy, even – on a black man’s right to free speech. You can also tell this is the real deal because the actual TIs who run these labels including Doug Morris and Edgar Bronfman Jr. will be in attendance rather than, say, Jay-Z and LA Reid.

Also, what’s the deal with the ghettos of Chicago becoming such a hotbed of anti-free speech activity? You’ll recall that this was also where that billboard campaign which declared several rappers ”trash” took place, not to mention the fact that it’s like the Salt Lake City of prison Islam. In fact, come to think of it, that’s where motherfucking TPAR is from as well. Hmm…

At any rate, this can’t possibly bode well for hip-hop. My guess is that the fact alone Congress held a hearing on so-called stereotypes (read truisms) and degrading images of women in hip-hop will lead these labels to engage in self-censorship not unlike they did in the 1990s, in the wake of the dust-up over Ice T’s “Cop Killer,” regardless of whether or not these artists are within their rights, which they are. Albums will be shelved and artists will be dropped from labels, just like they were back then.

Will it fit the TPAR definition of McCarthyism? Who knows, but it’s gonna suck balls either way.

  • Fernando

    Bwaaaaa hah ha ha h ah ha ha ha

    TPAR is going to sh*t himself. Im taking odds on a long, whiney post within the hour.

    Around & Around is probably still trying to figure out what McCarthyism is.

  • r

    first you snitch ass niggas

  • Moe Real

    They should call TPAR to testify… he is a rapper afterall, even if it is only on comment boards.

  • Father figure

    What a lazy column. First of all, McCarthy and Imus have much in common; they both targeted and bullied minorities to advance their careers(McCarthy, idelogical minorities; Imus, racial and sexual minorities). Imus and McCarthy both bully people who call them out on the biggoted screeds by threatening their careers; Imus told at least two authors that he would “ruin their careers.” You question why “the ghettos of Chicago [are] becoming such a hotbed of anti-free speech activity.” Yet, you cite a “billboard campaign” that promoted an idea (according to you, that certian rappers were “trash”)as your evidence. That billboard campaign seems like the quintessence of political speech; you seem to be suggesting that people who don’t like misogny in rap should be banned from airing their grievances! Now who is a McCarthyist?

  • Fire

    “At any rate, this can’t possibly bode well for hip-hop. My guess is that the fact alone Congress held a hearing on so-called stereotypes (read truisms) and degrading images of women in hip-hop will lead these labels to engage in self-censorship not unlike they did in the 1990s, in the wake of the dust-up over Ice T’s “Cop Killer,” regardless of whether or not these artists are within their rights, which they are. Albums will be shelved and artists will be dropped from labels, just like they were back then. Will it fit the TPAR definition of McCarthyism? Who knows, but it’s gonna suck balls either way.”
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Co-sign. This post was real good and informative. Why are people worrying so much about hip hop lyrics when there’s plenty of things like fighting poverty, increasing education, and waging a war to go after? Our inept officials just don’t want to deal with it, so they make rap a scapegoat for everything. Soon you’ll see people blaming every misfortunate thing that goes on in their lives on hip hop instead of applying personal responsibility and accountability to their lives. It’s BS! They’re trying hard to fight hip hop, but we have to defend ourselves better and show the hypocrisy of this whole Congressional hearing situation and general anti-hip hop outlook.

  • Incilin

    Man, I said it once. And I’ll say it again: TPAR is the true star of this blog. They should just give him his own blog here. Or better yet, Bol should give him his own blog on Bol’s website. There could be a whole section of just various TPAR comments. It would be great.

    I wonder if those stupid ass hearings will actually get anything done. I mean, if it gets “A Bay Bay” off the radio I won’t complain. If this was the 90s, I woulda been mad cuz some of the controversail records were the hottest ones (Cop Killer is still a great song) but now adays the game is so dead I really won’t mind if the game got swiched up.

    Btw, you ever notice its always the Uncle Tom types that complain the most about violent rap? I’m sure you already have, I just had to say that.

  • Around and Around

    Bol is one dumb bitch, how hard is it to see that Imus was fired by Market forces, not much else. He made a comment that was considered off color by the public at large, advertisers pulled there $$$$$, and in turn Imus was pulled.

    ‘not to mention the fact that it’s like the Salt Lake City of prison Islam’

    What the fuck does this have to do with your article and Chicago? Just wanted to throw that in to set the comment section ablaze obviously.

  • Around and Around

    Americans would be astonished at the criticisms in the Israeli press of the Israeli government’s policies toward the Palestinians and Arabs generally. In Israel facts are still part of the discussion. If the Israeli newspaper, Haaretz, could replace Fox “News,” CNN, New York Times and Washington Post, Americans would know the truth about US and Israeli policies in the MIddle East and their likely consequences.

    On September 1, Haaretz reported that Rabbi Eric Yoffie, the president of the Union for Reform Judaism, which represents 900 Congregations and 1.5 million Jews, “accused American media, politicians and religious groups of demonizing Islam” and turning Muslims into “satanic figures.”

    Rabbi Yoffie is certainly correct. In America there is only one side to the issue. An entire industry has been created that is devoted to demonizing Islam. Books abound that misrepresent Islam as the greatest possible threat to Western Civilization and seek to instill fear and hatred of Muslims in Americans. For example, Norman Podhoretz proclaims “World War IV: The Long Struggle Against Islamofascism.” Daniel Pipes shrieks that “Militant Islam Reaches America.” Lee Harris warns of “The Suicide of Reason: Radical Islam’s Threat to the West.”

    Think tanks have well-funded Middle East programs, the purpose of which is to spread Islamophobia. Fear and loathing pour out of the Middle East Forum and the American Enterprise Institute.

    In the US it is acceptable, even obligatory in many circles, to hate Muslims and to support violence against them. Pipes has been described as a “leading anti-Muslim hate propagandist.” He is on record advocating the use of violence alone as the solution to the Muslim problem. This won him the endorsement of the Christian Coalition, AIPAC, and the Zionist Organization of America for appointment to the board of the United States Institute of Peace.

  • drydock

    Guess what, in the workplace there is no free speech. In most workplaces in the US if you toss around the “n-word” or “nappy headed ho’s” there’s a good chance you’ll get fired or at least disciplined. Unless maybe you work for David Duke or XXL mag, where the exception proves the rule.

    The fact that Imus is a rich, famous radio personality with a national platform doesn’t make him exempt from what employers think is good for business. Same thing happened to Jimmy the Greek and Rush Limbaugh, their commentaries proved bad business for the networks and they got canned.

    That said, I would agree any meddling by the government into what artists produce should be opposed. I’m not sure exactly what Bobby Rush is up to (any links?) but the government harassing artists like Ice-T or the Dead Kennedys is censorship.

  • Father Figure

    “not to mention the fact that [TPAR is]with the terrorists.”

    You know what another hallmark of McCarthyism was? A perpetual “with us or against us” mentality about anybody who questioned McCarthy’s methods.

    “firing of Don Imus for having an opinion on the grade of a black woman’s hair”

    Now you are either being ignorant or disingenuous. Don Imus has made racist and misogynistic comments for years. He called Gwen Ifill a “cleaning lady,” he called respected NYTimes reporter Bill Rhoden a “quota hire,” he called Washington Post reporter Howard Kurtz a “boner-nosed… beanie-wearing Jewboy,” and he said that the Williams sisters (the Tennis players) were more likely to be shown in National Geographic than in Playboy. He wasn’t fired for one comment; that “one comment” simply reminded people of his virulent bigotry.

  • http://xxlmag.com Bol

    >Guess what, in the workplace there is no free speech.

    You might want to check your version of the Constitution to make sure it’s ours and not Saudi Arabia’s.

    Also, a small handful of people in an interest group conducting a harassment campaign against someone’s employer can hardly be considered “market forces.”

    The truth of the matter is that hardly anyone who listened to Imus, i.e his market, was offended by the shit he said, or at least not to the point where they’d stop listening to his show or buying his sponsors’ products. Otherwise, why would they have been listening to him in the first place? And why would they be trying to bring him back, if the market won’t bear it?

  • Around and Around

    Father Figure dropped a nuke on your column Bol why don’t you respond to him.

    Bol get a real job and then run off at the mouth however you want, and argue, ‘but it was free speech when I said fuck off’, you lose all credibility when arguing such dumb shit.

    Of course his listener’s were not offended they thought it was funny, they’re ignorant fucks. So is it not okay that the public at large found it offensive that he called some college girls ‘nappy headed ho’s'…I didn’t say anything about his employer it was advertisers dipshit. When advertising pulls there commercials, Imus the cowboy gets pulled. So NBC losing advertising money is a pretty fucking strong market force to cancel that ho………ho.

  • THESE POSTS ARE RACISTS

    listen bol this is the defintion.. The practice of publicizing accusations of political disloyalty or subversion with insufficient regard to evidence. Although you made a valid point you basically didn’t say anything. The example you used was so off topic if I worked at XXL and I called you a fat bastard and I got fired for it how would you respond, would that be your defintion or mine..

  • drydock

    Bol– I guess you believe that a person can say whatever they want in the workplace and therefore is legally protected from being fired from the employer. Well, you’re wrong– an employer isn’t the government and I’m sorry that you can’t pick up that rather elementary point. There is some “free speech” protections for union organizing (which employers often ignore anyways), but for the most part the bosses got the power.

    The threatened boycott of Imus’s employers was in fact market forces, whether they were listeners or not, and that’s why the employers canned him. Market forces will also probably will bring him back. It’s just business, it’s not about principles.

  • Worley

    They don’t want to clean up the underbelly of American society where pimps and hoes do their thing. Government and their house n*gga flunkies just want n*ggas to stop talking about it.

  • Ahmed’s Conscience

    What’s ”TPAR”?.

  • http://xxlmag.com Bol

    TPAR and his aliases-

    If Joseph McCarthy accused someone of being a communist, and that person was subsequently fired from their job – because their employer feared they might lose business if people knew a communist worked there, I suppose that would be market forces as well? After all there was a business consideration!

  • Around and Around

    Fernando is Imus’s illegitimate son, he banged his mom out behind an oil drum.

  • Rob

    SOUNDS GOOD TO ME…….BUT I GUESS ALL THESE POOR RAPPERS MIGHT ACTUALLY HAVE TO START MAKING REAL HIP-HOP AGAIN.

  • these posts are racist

    I have not posted a single comment to this article yet. I’m planning on responding later, but have been busy. None of the comments posted under my name or whatever are me.

  • http://xxlmag.com DARK

    bol u faggot herb still on imuses dick god ur such an ignorant shit and i already knew feranados dumbass would be on here.the ignorance of these motherfuckers is incredible.

  • The Spaniard

    “None of the comments posted under my name or whatever are me.”

    How do we know this is you? Hmmmm…..

    I’m just kidding.

    Pow! Zing!

  • VLsteve

    TPAR=A&A

    and don’t you niggas got school?

  • Around and Around

    VLsteve, what’d I tell you drop that VL from your name nigga

  • http://xxlmag.com Danny

    Man Bol, I just got blown by this chick who was using Pop Rocks and I could’nt even feel the difference. At least I got blown though!

  • Fernando

    Around & Around is the result of two crackheads named T-Bone and DeDe who shared a special moment on a cardboard box over a nice dinner of neckbones & cabbage. After about 8 bottles of Cisco, T-Bone ravaged DeDe while she screamed like a dying dog. He then robbed her and moved on.

    9 months later, DeDe thought she had taken a giant dump on the floor of a homeless shelter, but it was really a crusty black premie with no name. Since she had given out so many favors to men on account of her crack habit, all of the hobos decided to name him Around & Around. Ziiiinng

  • Fernando

    I think Around & Around and TPAR want some alone time in this room to just talk with each other. The rest of us are obviously spoiling their mood.

    Corny a$$ f@ggots.

  • VLsteve

    VL is my name Vince Lee no vice lord

  • AB

    Via Chicago Tribune: Boaters honking mad about concert noise (Chicago Tribune) As Snoop Dogg took the stage Sunday night at Charter One Pavilion at Northerly Island, boaters in Burnham Harbor blew their horns to protest the booming music and obscenity-laced lyrics that invaded their quiet weekend on the lake.

    —-

    this started after the Rock the Bells performance a few weeks ago. Some local ‘bag (affiliated with Bobby Rush) put this together

  • Around and Around

    Bol Says:

    September 5th, 2007 at 3:53 pm
    TPAR and his aliases-

    If Joseph McCarthy accused someone of being a communist, and that person was subsequently fired from their job – because their employer feared they might lose business if people knew a communist worked there, I suppose that would be market forces as well? After all there was a business consideration!
    —————-
    Yeah or lets just make up any hypothetical situation to try and prove our ignorant ass point.

    Look you simple ass Missor-a fuck, there’s a big big difference betweent the cold war, and the threat people had from communisim and a white guy in a fucking cowboy hat calling black girls nappy headed ho’s.

    And Fern you grew up in a meth house.

  • Fernando

    Gee A&A, who would ever create hypothetical situations to prove ignorant a$$ points??(TPAR & YOU!!)

    And actually there isnt much difference between McCarthyism and what happened to Imus. His point is way above your head. Crack head to be specific.

  • Around and Around

    Fernando Says:

    September 5th, 2007 at 6:16 pm

    Gee A&A, who would ever create hypothetical situations to prove ignorant a$$ points??(TPAR & YOU!!)
    ——————–
    Well Golly Gee Wally where’s the Beev and Lassie when we need them…awww shucks Gee…..Corney ass cracka, you’re family is a bunch of Meth addicts take the Sudifed away from Fern!!!!

  • smog

    shit i couldnt respond earlier cause i had to work, wait i guess this isnt such a bad thing, dude stopin linkin that shit to the south side, if some dumb ass house negro wants to try and do some shit thats on his own dumb ass, it aint were you from its were you at, that dude is in Washington not on south side, i was born on the south side and am writing this from south side, if you want to here some free as speech or some free as beat downs come see the south side son
    o yeah you got an obama aid on your site

  • thoreauly77

    if my comment was deleted, i refuse to frequent this site anymore. while this seems like a minor thing, imagine now having the people who actually contribute to the discussion leaving and being surrounded by people like LOL, dark and some of the others.. i submitted it at least an hour ago around 4pm pacific time. it is now 5:08. what up with this eskay?

  • The Spaniard

    “…Joseph McCarthy accused someone of being a communist, and that person was subsequently fired from their job”

    This scenerio is not hypothetical in the least bit.

    “read a book, read a book, read a motherfucking book! Ye-a-h!”

  • HAWAIIAN

    Around and around,
    if this stuff bothers you so much, why do you continue to hang around?

    TPAR,
    surely you have better things to do such as pretending to be a lawyer than constantly being on here?

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  • ezey

    who is TPAR?

  • LOWENDOFDACHI

    I’m from Chicago, and anyone that takes offense to this piece is a temporary idiot w/all due respect. Bol, I happen to enjoy your blogs for the most part. They are very well written, highly satirical and downright hilarious at times. I mean, its obvious that certain things are written to elicit a flood of comments and spark a discussion, and anyone who takes this stuff serious should give their computer to a gorilla.

    Fern-

    You’ve got alot of nerve making racially charged comments on a hiphop message board. Some of your posts are actually insightful and add value to the discussions, but you need to chill w/the offensive remarks brother. Give respect to earn it, plus we know its all talk.

  • Cuban Link

    we dont have free speech we just have less limits on speech than, say, China.

    and btw Bol, I swear u have ESP, because in the little advertisements on the side of the page for this website, theres an advertisement saying Help Elect Obama: Contribute to a Real Hope

  • CHICAGO “G”

    Bol, you dumb fuck this has nothing to do with Chicago but rather a couple of individuals.

  • these posts are racist

    Co-Sign “Father Figure”. BOL, i’m not surprised that you did not respond to him, he was on point and clearly destroyed your ridiculous, ignorant “arguments”. I want to also point out that I do not post as other aliases, nor did I post anything to his article excpet for the post saying that I have not yet posted. This is my first substantive comment.

    >>A few weeks ago, in a post about how we’re no longer allowed to call a black woman a ho even if she’s dressed like one…

    You can call anyone, anything you want. Whether your employer fires you because if is another story. Under law, your employer cannot fire you because of your race, color, gender, etc. and under most circumstances because of your political beliefs or for reasons that “violate public policy”. Imus never sued over his termination because his situation, clearly, did not fall under any of those listed in this paragraph, and thus he would have no merit under any state or federal employment law.

    >>I suggested that the firing of Don Imus for having an opinion on the grade of a black woman’s hair was an example of McCarthyism.
    It isn’t anything like McCarthyism.

    >>As was noted today in this site’s ur-useful headlines section, Rep. Bobby Rush, a Democrat from the South Side of Chicago who also happens to be chairman of the House Subcommittee on Commerce, Trade, and Consumer Protection, has called for a hearing on stereotypes and degrading images of women in hip-hop song lyrics and music videos.

    The call for this hearing is new and the information surrounding it is skechty. I really don’t have enough information on it to give a solid and honest opinion. I can tell you that I’m pretty sure nobody is being coerced to attend the hearings and that nobody will suffer the effects as those accused of being communists did.
    Please note that when you say “you are with the terrorists”, you are acting as a McCarthyist. The irony…

  • k0nfidence

    “You can also tell this is the real deal because the actual TIs who run these labels including Doug Morris and Edgar Bronfman Jr. will be in attendance rather than, say, Jay-Z and LA Reid.”

    Bol, that was classic. well done!!

  • KMay

    TPar vs. Bol is a bigger beef than pac and Big

  • thoreauly77

    it should be noted that i responded to this post earlier in regards to bol’s misunderstanding/rhetorical view of what mccarthyism is, as well as a defense of saying TPAR is a purveyor of semantical arguments. the irony is that bol’s argument is based purely on his own ill-conceived semantic argument. look up what mccarthyism folks and you will see what i mean (i hope). and maybe google “semantics”. then, pull your heads out of your asses for long enough to write something substantial. the mere fact that my comment was not posted is directly attributed to xxl being a censoring, whiney little twat. congrats xxl, you have attained bitchmade status.

  • AT

    Is it even worth mentioning that:
    Freedom of speech =/ insulting people

    Try telling a judge he is a Dipshit.
    Or saying you want to kill the President.

    Did you know that name calling is in the definition of Verbal abuse?

  • stoneyisland

    BOL, you have become lazy as fuck. For every decent post, you drag out three shitty post. Secondly bitch dont you EVER say shit bad about Chi-Town unless you like eating soft foods and last but not least WHAT THE FUCK IS UP WITH THAT OBVIOSULY GAY

  • Youngz

    “You know how TPAR loves to engage in semantic debates, not to mention the fact that he’s with the terrorists” = CO-SIGN to the fullest, im scared of that broke ass janitor..

  • Father Figure

    I’m curious, Bol; you spend an inordinate amount of your time defending misogyny. From what does your hostility toward women emanate?

    Also, you like to throw around the term, “terrorist” a lot. Do you believe that you should be forced to subsidise “terrorist” radio stations, or patronize “terrorist” businesses?

  • Around and Around

    The Spaniard Says:

    September 5th, 2007 at 7:16 pm
    “…Joseph McCarthy accused someone of being a communist, and that person was subsequently fired from their job”

    This scenerio is not hypothetical in the least bit.

    “read a book, read a book, read a motherfucking book! Ye-a-h!”
    ——————–
    Spaniard, name the person being fired from their job in Bol’s scenario, name the employer who fired this person, and show me that it is was because the employer was fearful of losing business. You can’t because bol made up some general scenario. No shit McCarthy had people fired causing witchhunts all over the country, but what Bol did was just make up a situation that doesn’t really exsist, and surmized that it was becuase the employer was fearful of losing business. When I’m talking about a specific incident and all the facts surronding it.

    Read, read, read………. while son you can read all the books you want, but if you can’t learn to think critically you’re just a well-read fool. I hear GW reads a lot of books.

  • Fernando

    Lowendofdachi,

    I dont want respect from any of the goons that hang on this board. It does not matter at all to me. I would rather spend my time offending little sissies that whine and cry all day on here.

    And to your point “its all talk anyways”. You are right, it is all talk. Thats all it has ever been. Dont get me confused with the jokes on here (A&A) that try to act hard as if they are going to really do something.

  • LowEndofDaChi

    Fernando,

    Dude, let’s be real here for one second. What man (it’s safe to assume you’re a man right?), doesn’t want respect from his peers in any realm in which he chooses to represent himself?

    Who knows, I may have been raised differently…

  • Justin Kase

    @ everyone wondering what a TPAR is…it means These Posts Are Racists, and it’s just a name that a commenter uses to post under…and is it just me or does the new “Father Figure” have the same rhetoric as TPAR? (hence the aliases)

    But then again, he’s just a stand-up (no homo) guy who would never think of posting with another name, but he did give props to FF rather quickly…hmmmm

  • jeff

    the mere fact that my comment was not posted is directly attributed to xxl being a censoring, whiney little twat. congrats xxl, you have attained bitchmade status.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    happens to me all of the time man. they say this is hip hop on a higher level, but it’s really hip hop on a safe and politically correct level. the ironic thing about it all is that we are discussing freedom of speech on a blog site that doesn’t truly support that. XXL isn’t and probably won’t be as reputable as the Source was back in the early 1990s anyway, so their views and opinions don’t mean much. I just like them eye candy chicks and when they revisit old classic albums. other than that..cheezy.

  • these posts are racist

    >>>”If Joseph McCarthy accused someone of being a communist, and that person was subsequently fired from their job – because their employer feared they might lose business if people knew a communist worked there, I suppose that would be market forces as well? After all there was a business consideration!”

    BOL, you’re correct, that would be a “business decision”, but it would be an illegal business decision since the person fired for having certain political views would have recourse under law. Do you understand these concept and distinction? Do you see how this is not “semantics” but real life law? Most state laws have provisions which protect people from being fired for having certain political views and affiliations and laws that protect people from being terminated for reasons that “violate public policy”. Firing someone for their political views/affiliations in many circumstances would not be tolerated under law.

    Imus’ situation does not fall under legal protection, hence he never even argued that or sought such legal recourse.

    Now, BOL, if you want to argue that the law is wrong, then go ahead.

  • Ryan

    “Ruh roh.”

  • The Spaniard

    1. I’m sure George Bush doesn’t read anything in detail of any importance, he has said so himself. And if he did he most certainly doesn’t comprehend the message or history within said items.

    2. “…Joseph McCarthy accused someone of being a communist, and that person was subsequently fired from their job” is not hypothetical. This specific scenerio happened quite often. I’m not debating the specifics of Bol’s point (although I agree) here. I’m just stating a fact.

  • these posts are racist

    >>>“…Joseph McCarthy accused someone of being a communist, and that person was subsequently fired from their job” is not hypothetical. This specific scenerio happened quite often.”

    Spaniard, when J. McCarthy accused someone of being a communist, they were fired from their jobs, many were prosecuted under the law and those who weren’t prosecuted under the law were blacklisted from society.

    What the hell does anything that happened under the McCarthy era have to do with Imus?

  • The Spaniard

    Here’s the general analogy…

    1. racism: communism
    2. large and public accusation raised, true or not, leading to someone being dismissed from their occupation.

    Is the analogy in the two scenerios pin point acurate? No. Are there some parallels between the two? Yes. Do I give a shit about Imus on any level? No.

    I am fairly certain that you have heard the term “McCarthyism” used at other times in history to describe a public witch hunt, sometimes on trumped up charges, which causes the person, or persons, some clear loss whether it be public status or financial loss.

    And to beat horse just a bit more, with out those relaxers in their hair I think it is safe to assume that the majority of those dames are “nappy-headed” and based on what I have witnessed as the public’s perception of general asthetic qualities those chicks were “rough looking” too. And it has nothing to do with them being black, as one of my lady-friend is from Nigeria and that midnight-black ass dame is fine as hell! Were they hoes? Who knows? They never offered me, or anyone I know, any pussy, neither for money or for the sport of it.

  • these posts are racist

    Spaniard:

    You miss the point, completely. I’m not against using the analogy of McCarthyism, in fact, I used against BOL. Everytime he calls me a “terrorist” he is using McCarthy-esque tactics. That’s not what happend with Imus. Imus had a history of making comments many consider “racist” and “misognystic”. People protested and his employer fired him.

    There is no protection under the law for that scenario. If you or BOL believe there should be, then that’s your opinion, period.

    Let’s say people protested and said he should get fired because he is white. Period. And advertisers threatened to pull. And he was fired because he was white. He would have legal recourse against his employer because he was fired unjustly, because he was white. A defense by his employer that advertisers threatened to pull would not hold water. You cannot fire someone for being white.

    Do you understand?

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  • Fernando

    lowendofdachi,

    Dude, none of these pieces of sh!t are my peers. My blogging and subsequent arguments are purely for my entertainment of myself when things get slow at work. I also like to excercise my brain by taking up sides of arguments that I dont actually agree with. Its a hell of a lot more entertaining that just co-signing everything somebody says (like A&A does with his lover TPAR).

    So no, I really dont want the respect of anybody on here. XXL blog posts mean about as much to me as Bol’s opinions on music.

  • The Spaniard

    I’m confused as to how you read what I posted then determined that I am “missing the point”.

    Here was the the original statement that I commented on…

    “…Joseph McCarthy accused someone of being a communist, and that person was subsequently fired from their job”

    My comment was that statement in and of itself was not hypothetical, which it is clearly not. And that above partial quote and my subsequent comment were in complete context with the usage of the previous poster.

    After that I enumerated the general analogy Bol made. Then I even conceded that it wasn’t a clear cut open and shut comparision if the first place. More inportantly I disputed the “racist” nature of Imus’ statements by agreeing with his observeations…and I in no way believe euro-americans are inherently better than afro-americans.

    Imus could fall into a pit of rat traps and pointy spears and I wouldn’t give a shit, well anymore than I care about the thousand of deaths that happen daily worldwide.

    “1. racism: communism
    2. large and public accusation raised, true or not, leading to someone being dismissed from their occupation.”

  • ten

    around and around, nice plagerization from Paul Craig Roberts, fraud.

  • drydock

    TPAR: 1 BOL: 0

  • Around and Around

    ten Says:

    September 6th, 2007 at 2:24 pm
    around and around, nice plagerization from Paul Craig Roberts, fraud.
    ———
    Why the fuck would I copy and past a portion of that article to make it out to be my own…reread that shit and it’s obviously from an article. I didn’t think I had to clairfy that, thought that would be an obvious copy & paste, but apparently you people are fucking dumber then I thought.

    I read that shit right before reading bol’s dumb ass drop and throught it was funny here’s a white Regan conservative showing how Muslim’s are demonized and a african american doing some demonizing.

  • these posts are racist

    BOL,

    I responded to your post and to your comment. You have not responded to me yet. I’d appreciate a response as I’d like to see if you’ve actually thought about the stuff i’ve written here.

  • http://www.xxlmag.com EReal

    This shit has been invaded by fuckhole retards.

    Oh and CO-Sign Theo on the censor shit. Thats why XXL is fallin the fuck off and AHH owns they ass now. They had it for a min, now its gone, because of the exact things you just said.

    -OUT