Is David Banner really an idiot?

I was checking my email yesterday and I came across this video in which David Banner weighs in on the state of hip-hop and in particular certain unnamed individuals who hate on the South because southern rappers are the only ones selling records. (Though not so much David Banner himself.) Bullshit as it is, this is a theme you see repeated fairly often in southern rap. I did a story on this phenomenon once a while ago. Perhaps you’ve heard of it.

I’m sure it would be viewed as bigoted of me to suggest that he comes off as kind of a ‘tard in this clip, but what can I say? It’s turning into that kind of a week. I mean, his basic argument – that black men have girl-like tendencies because they lacked male influence in their upbringing – is, I think, a rather astute observation. Billy X. Sunday once raised a similar point in a post on this site, but I’m sure David Banner arrived at this conclusion on his own. I hear he’s a smart guy.

As this kid pointed out, David Banner is relatively well-educated as far as rappers are concerned (especially southern rappers!) and was raised the son of a fire commissioner, which would suggest to me that his upbringing may have been a bit more bourgeois than he’d like us to think. If that’s the case, then what’s with all of the n-bombs and the ordering people to shove things in their mouths and the seemingly feigned mangled English? You get the idea that this all might be an act.

What gives?

I suppose on the one hand a case could be made for speaking like… um, Pimp C in order to be able to more effectively communicate with the kind of people who probably wouldn’t be able to understand you as well otherwise. I think we’ve all seen these statistics that show many inner city high schools where a majority of the kids who “graduate” are functionally illiterate, and that’s not even counting all of the ones who dropped out.

On the other hand, you have to wonder: regardless of what your upbringing is, if you spent all of that time working hard in school (and you have to assume that David Banner did), at what point do the AK-toting shermheads and Dunbar Village rapists of the world cease to be your audience? I can appreciate the desire to want to reach out to those less fortunate, but whatever happened to bringing people up to your level rather than lowering yourself down to theirs?

And of course there has to be a regional element to all of this. Not to turn this into even more of a contentious issue than I’m sure it already is, but I do find that this sort of thing is that much more prevalent in the South than it is anywhere else. A few years ago, there was a similar controversy involving the one-man minstrel show Lil’ Jon, who’s actually the college-educated son of two neurosurgeons. Meanwhile, I can hardly think of a similar example on either of the two coasts.

What do you ‘bags think? Secretly bourgeois, well-educated southern rappers who pretend to be poor idiots is a buncha fake bullshit that’s only serving to even further ruin hip-hop, right? Or is this just another example of me being “racist?”

  • Purple Hulk

    1ST

  • SukedowN

    Cue Noz’s counter-response to this in: T minus one hour

  • Giselle

    I agree. I mean, im sure there’s a number of rappers that are smarter than they let on, but everyone knows that’s just to sell records. It’s not even about being that way to connect with people in the hood though is it? We already know white kids in the suburbs are buying all the rap records, and the more coon-ish the act is, the faster they eat it up.

  • http://xxlmag.com WritersBlock

    ^^^ the ghey

  • Worley

    I’m not so sure you can make such a clear distinction between an education and a hood n*gga. Some people handle their school business and still run around in the streets.

  • sooch

    you racist Spree.

  • http://www.kaseclosed.blogspot.com Justin Kase

    CLICK ON MY NAME TO SEE WHAT THE REAL BYRON CRAWFORD LOOKS LIKE

    WARNING!!! MAY CAUSE YOU TO SHIT YOUR PANTS

  • BirdsFlySouth

    Jay Z said he dumbs down his lyrics and message b/c that’s what the masses want. But when somebody from the south does it they killin Hip/Hop?

    Pacman Jones went to college for 4 years and he’s definately hood…. right?

    Are you saying that only fatherless, low income, dumb kids grow up to be screw ups? B/c we both know that’s not the case.

  • http://www.myspace.com/kenyonh Ken-Yon

    This reminds me of the issue Styles P had earlier this year with 50 on Hot97. SP basically told Boo-Boo he came off too rich and he needed to dumb down his act and bring it back to the hood. 50 countered basically by saying he couldn’t do it.
    He’s going by what sells, but in Banner’s defense he’s doing what every single black person MUST do to survive in this society.
    Remember Cube’s Black and White series?
    We know how to adjust to our environment. Rather it be on the corner in B-More, to overlooking Park Ave. in the offices of Bill Gates, we know how to adjust.
    That’s what Banner is doing. Adjusting to his audience. He has to talk that way to get it into people’s minds his point of view. It’s evident, his message wasn’t intended for the educated. He was trying to educate.
    That’s something basically only the educated would be able to understand!Shouts out to Sourthern University, Alabama State University and Central State University. Long live HBCU’s!

  • http://www.kaseclosed.blogspot.com Justin Kase

    YEAH WE ALL READ HOW BUN B ETHERED YOU ON YOUR OWN POST YOU COCK FONDLING FIG NEWTON.

    DID YOU LOOK IN THE MIRROR YET BOL? IF NOT, CLICK ON MY NAME…
    BECAUSE YOU HAVE ETHERED YOURSELF ONCE AGAIN.

    OH BY THE WAY…I’M POSTING THIS ON EVERY ONE OF YOUR BLOGS UNTIL THE READERS SEE YOU FOR WHAT YOU REALLY ARE.

    YOU’RE LIKE A HOOKER’S CLITORIS

  • suckaniggadickmakeaniggarich

    i think the “dumbing down” of lyrics and rapper pretending to be from the hood is just stupid. The problem with rap is that everyone wants to be down instead of being themselves. The problem with hip hop is there are no artist out now (except papoose, cassidy, eminem and the majority of dead rappers..ie pun, big l) that will make you listen and rewind a track. I got nothing against the south…but ignorance and stupidy are not regional issues….the rap game is on its last life of its last continue…we need a game genie!!

  • these posts are racist

    What makes you a racist/mysoginyst or the moral equivalent of either or both, inter alia, is when you attribute very negative characteristics to a race of people, gender or religious group based on (either directly or implicitly) the race/color/gender or religion—which you constantly do, without any real analysis or exploration of a particular example or case in point. Rather, you start out with a theory or broad/sweeping statement (e.g. black women wanting men to like them or terrorist muslim fuckery) then proceed with a examples that you use to “prove” your broad/sweeping statement to be true.

    Your poor attempt to deflect critcism of your blatant bigotry/mysogeny/racism and overall insensitiviy (e.g. reducing a rape victim and her child to that of an upaid hooker) with sarcasm (“Or is this just another example of me being “racist?”) is just pathetic.

  • Trizzle

    naw its just another example of you being a lame

  • http://xxlmagazine.com Cal

    Crawford this is the reason I take time out to read what you’ve got to say and you never disappoint although your occasional jabs at Fif and at times Em skewers me a bit i’m greatly thankful for your putting this stuff out!
    You occasionally ask yourself how much stupid juice these guys drink to attract southerners. I’m Kenyan and this really reminds me of some well educated rappers who will murder a few brain cells to attract the buck toothed, and 80′s track suit wearers. David banner and all other semi-credible southern rappers are aware of the rapid support the Dunbar village folk you so properly phrased, will have their backs if they just say “Don’t hate da souf!”
    Who cares if your being racist its the truth and they know it. There are intelligent guys like the outkast crew who are coming to the rescue of their brethren only sink not only their sales but their careers by becoming part of the haneously monotonous symbiote that is southern hip hop. You are on point on wondering why these guys cant bring their audience to their level instead of patronizing southerners by actin stupid and ignorant. If guys like David Banner actually decided to be creative and monumental in their influence we wouldn’t all have to bear listening to Ay Bay Bay, pop lock and drop it and ULTIMATELY the demonic SOULJA BOY!!! Black people are tremeandously divided right now and its hilarious. We have the Sharpton patrol hatin all hip hop, we then have traditional black hip hop lovers hatin southern hip hop (No insult does justice to what it is) and finally the villagers down south hatin everybody for hating them!!!
    Good post Crawford!

  • b-ease

    Pacman Jones went to college for 4 years and he’s definately hood…. right?

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^
    thats a really bad example for number of reasons, not the least of which is the fact that Pacman got into college based on his football ability not his academic qualifications.

  • dameSTAtus

    I think Too $hort’s mom runs a battered woman’s facility. Ironic..

  • b-ease

    That’s what Banner is doing. Adjusting to his audience. He has to talk that way to get it into people’s minds his point of view. It’s evident, his message wasn’t intended for the educated. He was trying to educate.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^
    I think thats what bol said

    suppose on the one hand a case could be made for speaking like… um, Pimp C in order to be able to more effectively communicate with the kind of people who probably wouldn’t be able to understand you as well otherwise.

  • b-ease

    This is just another example of the cult of anti-intelluctuilism that is rampant in our culture.

    Is Banner talking down so people understand exactly what he is saying? To an extent, yes.

    But what he’s also doing is “posing” to be less intelligent than he is for fear of not being seen as authentic or having street cred, which as we all know is very important for a rapper these days (i wrote the last part of that sentence with a smirk by the way).

    On the other end, I dont think this is a more “southern” thing to do. We’re all guilty of it in some form of another (by us, i mean blacks) but that doesnt make it any less pointless or ignorant.

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    Wow this dude really is what’s called…An Educated Fool.

    David Banner is a real dude. He speaks from the heart and nothing he says or does are acts put on for acceptance from the ghetto. This dude is his own man. He doesn’t live off of his parents as you do Bol. He was homeless at one point and I am sure he has an understanding of the struggle but yet you do the work of the oppressors and try to assassinate his character. All he did was speak the truth from a “real nigga” point of view.

    Lies change but the truth remains constant. I feel the exact same way and expressed those feelings in the past. Jealousy is a weak emotion. The south has supported the East and West coast. All of a sudden when we in the spot light we get hated on. There is more to the south then dance music. We deal with the struggle everyday. Also, it is real Uncle Tom like to try and criticize a black man on his use of a language originates from LATIN. The hell with the english language. That type of thinking feeds into this whole propaganda regarding not only American supremacy but also white supremacy.

    People in the south may not be as “trained” as the people else where but we got plenty sense down here PATNA.

    When I listen to David Banner I listen to words, thoughts, concepts, and ideas that I can relate to because he a real dude. Same with the legend Pimp C.

    So miss us real men with that bulllll ish.

    • Valdez

      ^^very well said, my dude. i completely agree. i’m from baltimore, btw.

  • b-ea

    Are you saying that only fatherless, low income, dumb kids grow up to be screw ups? B/c we both know that’s not the case.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^

    No, I dont think thats what he’s saying at all, and im honestly not sure where you arrived at the conclusion.

    What he’s saying is that educated southern rappers act dumb to appease their audience. thats the gist of it. not saying i agree, just giving the reader’s digest version.

  • b-ease

    Justin Kase:

    You’re EXTRA late man! Everybody laughed at that interview of bol 6 months ago. I’m not saying it’s not still funny, but if you think you’re exposing him, i have to let you know that that particular boat sailed some time ago.

  • DJ

    Number 1, why haven’t you been fired yet, If you really listen to David Banner music like i do, you would hear that he never denys his past and bring up that he went to southern all the times. Number 2 his father was not a FIRE COMMISSIONER, he was a fire chief which is a huge different in power and salary. Im from Mississippi so I knew about Banner when he was riding around in a van trying to promote shows all around the area with the firewater boys group. For you to be a writer you really don’t know shit about what you talk about. You do no research and just run around talking about shit you don’t know anything about. He most likly have not even been to the south before anyway for a start. I though you would have been fired already with that Jay Z being gay comment you made by the higher powers, cause lord knows he has enough power and money to shut this website down and XXL down for good. David Banner has did so much for Mississippi since the hurricane you would not even believe it. Cause shit like that don’t make the news. He did more than the so call Rev Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and the rest of the so call black leaders. While they was fighting the government with bullshit like usally, he was really during something instead of being all over TV like they was trying to get seen and getting promoted and shit. If it don’t involve MONEY these so called Black leaders don’t want anything to do with it if you noticed. Think about it, when was the last time someone got anywhere walking up and down a hot ass street like dumb ass. This is not the 60′s and 70′s, there is better ways now. Like David Banner did for example, he got all the rappers together and raise money for the victims of the hurricane who were white and black people by the way. and other things for the ghetto. That a good example of a educated black man. Shit who else could have got something like that organized who Al sharpton(I think not). When was the last time he got together for the black people and try to raise money to help anything other then himself.

  • b-ease

    Also, it is real Uncle Tom like to try and criticize a black man on his use of a language originates from LATIN

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    So speaking improper English is a blow against the MAN?!? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaha

  • http://gooddoctorzeus.blogspot.com DocZeus

    Lil Jon is the son of two neurosurgeons and college educated?!?! Thats it, we can officially call Jon a “minstrel” and not feel the slightest guilt about it.

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    Like David Banner said. The got bull ish in every region. Just because this foolishness is getting forced onto the public doesnt mean its what we about. We got real people here in the south that feel the same way about someof this stuff. I turn the radio station when I hear a lot of the foolishness that comes on. But dont get it twisted, it is what the executives are ok-ing…not us real dudes because if it were up to the real…that stuff wouldnt even get air play…they got people all over the map that listen to and like that A Bay Bay type music. So dont stereotype the south. We real as it gets and we will respond to this fukery when it misrepresents us a region and people.

  • http://www.kaseclosed.blogspot.com Justin Kase

    @ B-Ease…just click on my name please and let the hysteria begin. Bol still comes off as this arrogant know-it-all full of kindergarten wit, and I just want the readers to see a visual of this monstrosity that calls himself “Bol”

    HUMOR YOURSELF AND CLICK ON MY NAME. I SWEAR TO BOB (NO HOMO) THAT YOU’LL SHED A TEAR LAUGHING.

  • http://www.xxlmag.com BOL

    >YEAH WE ALL READ HOW BUN B ETHERED YOU ON YOUR OWN POST YOU COCK FONDLING FIG NEWTON.
    there’s nothing wrong with fondling cocks while eating fig newtons. thank you very much.

    >DID YOU LOOK IN THE MIRROR YET BOL? IF NOT, CLICK ON MY NAME…
    BECAUSE YOU HAVE ETHERED YOURSELF ONCE AGAIN.
    those are actually pretty good pics of me.

    >YOU’RE LIKE A HOOKER’S CLITORIS
    does this mean I get rammed by cocks for a living? good point.
    Justin Kase thinks he can humiliate me by posting pictures of me, and he was almost successful, if it weren’t for the fact that
    >You’re EXTRA late man!
    Thanks B-Ease, I knew there was atleast one d-bag who has my back.

  • Tyler

    Yea U right tolet BoL, we down South dudes are smart as hell as U can see from how we slowly but surely took over this rap game. “It’s chess not checkers.” Maybe we just pure genius and we just playin’ a role to fuck with y’alls heads. No Homo needed.
    SolutionsGlobalMedia.com aka SGM7.com
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  • jg420

    Justin Kase Says:

    August 22nd, 2007 at 1:45 pm
    YEAH WE ALL READ HOW BUN B ETHERED YOU ON YOUR OWN POST YOU COCK FONDLING FIG NEWTON.

    DID YOU LOOK IN THE MIRROR YET BOL? IF NOT, CLICK ON MY NAME…
    BECAUSE YOU HAVE ETHERED YOURSELF ONCE AGAIN.

    OH BY THE WAY…I’M POSTING THIS ON EVERY ONE OF YOUR BLOGS UNTIL THE READERS SEE YOU FOR WHAT YOU REALLY ARE.

    YOU’RE LIKE A HOOKER’S CLITORIS

    ^^^ The pic of byron, lmao

  • The Nicker

    David Banner was the president of his graduating class at Southern University. I dont hear fellow Southern music grads Randy Jackson and Branford Marsalis talking like that . . .

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    b-ease Says:

    August 22nd, 2007 at 2:38 pm

    Also, it is real Uncle Tom like to try and criticize a black man on his use of a language originates from LATIN

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    So speaking improper English is a blow against the MAN?!? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    no but its not a measure of the stature of a man…fuk boy…

  • Bbrolic

    To that DJ fromerly known dude being: Saying ignorant shit makes you a real dude. In most of the correction facilities I’ve been in its actually the contrary! If David banner has the ability to communicate clearer than he really does why is he scared to do it. Its hard to believe that he has his Masters or was close to his Masters degree and working as a social worker or youth counselor (whatever his bio says) before he got signed. What kind of example is he setting for the kids that see him speak to Al Sharpton (another black man) the way he did! He sounded crazy! I work with troubled youth with former football star Jim Brown now and he makes my job a hundred times harder disrespecting an OT (Old Timer) the way he did Al Sharpton. The sad thing about it was he went ballistic like that because he figures Al is fucking with his record sales and gonna fuck up his money. Once again black people selling each other out over money! Tell Steve Rifkind and Gaby (fat ass!) and some of those other racist dudes over at his label to get him in some black history classes cause he needs it.

  • DJ

    IT funny how they took my original post down. This site it bullshit. Fuck XXL and Byron Crawford

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    #
    Bbrolic Says:

    August 22nd, 2007 at 3:17 pm

    To that DJ fromerly known dude being: Saying ignorant shit makes you a real dude. In most of the correction facilities I’ve been in its actually the contrary! If David banner has the ability to communicate clearer than he really does why is he scared to do it. Its hard to believe that he has his Masters or was close to his Masters degree and working as a social worker or youth counselor (whatever his bio says) before he got signed. What kind of example is he setting for the kids that see him speak to Al Sharpton (another black man) the way he did! He sounded crazy! I work with troubled youth with former football star Jim Brown now and he makes my job a hundred times harder disrespecting an OT (Old Timer) the way he did Al Sharpton. The sad thing about it was he went ballistic like that because he figures Al is fucking with his record sales and gonna fuck up his money. Once again black people selling each other out over money! Tell Steve Rifkind and Gaby (fat ass!) and some of those other racist dudes over at his label to get him in some black history classes cause he needs it.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Im sorry but this has to be the dumbest ish i ever read

  • BirdsFlySouth

    b-ease Says:

    August 22nd, 2007 at 2:17 pm
    Pacman Jones went to college for 4 years and he’s definately hood…. right?

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^
    thats a really bad example for number of reasons, not the least of which is the fact that Pacman got into college based on his football ability not his academic qualifications.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Athletes fall under the same academic restrictions that every other students fall under. Pacman had maintain a certain GPA and do well on the ACT.

  • May

    “A few years ago, there was a similar controversy involving the one-man minstrel show Lil’ Jon, who’s actually the college-educated son of two neurosurgeons.”–Bol

    Word!? I didn’t know that sh*t…

  • Around and Around

    BirdsFlySouth Says:

    August 22nd, 2007 at 3:38 pm
    b-ease Says:

    August 22nd, 2007 at 2:17 pm
    Pacman Jones went to college for 4 years and he’s definately hood…. right?

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^
    thats a really bad example for number of reasons, not the least of which is the fact that Pacman got into college based on his football ability not his academic qualifications.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Athletes fall under the same academic restrictions that every other students fall under. Pacman had maintain a certain GPA and do well on the ACT.
    ——————
    Anyone who really believes that shit; I got a big bag of weed to sell you……

  • Tone

    if he seriously graduated highschool and went to college and speaks that way hes a fuckin idiot

  • b-ease

    Athletes fall under the same academic restrictions that every other students fall under. Pacman had maintain a certain GPA and do well on the ACT.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^

    yea, in a perfect world they do. However, a perfect world is not where Pacman is from (or us either for that matter).

  • b-ease

    no but its not a measure of the stature of a man…fuk boy…

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    who said it was?
    fuck boi sounds homosexual.

  • b-ease

    Athletes fall under the same academic restrictions that every other students fall under. Pacman had maintain a certain GPA and do well on the ACT

    ^^^^^^^^^^^
    just to clarify my earlier repsponse to this, top atheletes are usually helped along in their academic pursuit, especially in college. Not saying it’s the case with EVERYONE, but it is generally the rule more than the exception.

  • BirdsFlySouth

    Bbrolic Says:

    August 22nd, 2007 at 3:17 pm

    To that DJ fromerly known dude being: Saying ignorant shit makes you a real dude. In most of the correction facilities I’ve been in its actually the contrary! If David banner has the ability to communicate clearer than he really does why is he scared to do it. Its hard to believe that he has his Masters or was close to his Masters degree and working as a social worker or youth counselor (whatever his bio says) before he got signed. What kind of example is he setting for the kids that see him speak to Al Sharpton (another black man) the way he did! He sounded crazy! I work with troubled youth with former football star Jim Brown now and he makes my job a hundred times harder disrespecting an OT (Old Timer) the way he did Al Sharpton. The sad thing about it was he went ballistic like that because he figures Al is fucking with his record sales and gonna fuck up his money. Once again black people selling each other out over money! Tell Steve Rifkind and Gaby (fat ass!) and some of those other racist dudes over at his label to get him in some black history classes cause he needs it.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    If Jesse and Al are really for the people then why do they charge appearance fees? And why do they stop barking once one of the corporations throw them a bone ie: Don Imus?

    Just because you’re old doesn’t mean I should respect you. And just b/c you’re black doesn’t mean I have to support you.

    Al walking around talking about we need to stop using the n-word while wearing a PERM!!!! Jesse yellin respect our women and he got OUT OF WEDLOCK kids. N-word please.

  • Moe Real

    You just threw up this post because you want to bury the other post in which you call a rape victim a slut.

    And speaking of looking like a fat idiot in interviews, have you seen yourself on Youtube? Just because you’re chubby doesn’t give you the right to force it on all of us.

    Just calling it like I see it.

    PS Did anyone catch the Wayne profile in the New Yorker last week?

    http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/musical/2007/08/13/070813crmu_music_frerejones

  • Sigh….

    Secretly “boojie” rappers from other places:

    Kanye West – Midwest
    Ballerina Prodigy – New York
    Tupac – Obviously

    So the fact that you can name two secretly boojie rappers from the South makes it more of a prominent phenomenon there? Please stop the overgeneralizing….

  • Port Lyfe

    I think its fucked up that nigga feel like he gotta down somebody because they dont talk like him or act like him. Since when does everybody have to sound alike thats some dumb shit. And just becasue you went to college dont mean you cant be down with the same niggas u grew up with. But dont say say shit like a nigga aint real cuz he decided to go to school. Bol’s fat ass hating aside David Banner is trying to do shit for black people as a whole. He is trying to stop all these so called Black Leaders from shittin on us and give us some help. Instead of criticizing us he want them same rich niggas to put some money back in the hood so we can stop having niggas rapping about having to rob to eat. Oprah could’ve easily spent that 10 million she spent in Africa over here and help somebody out. Banner just wants the stop the criticism so get his nuts Bruh

  • livefromthe225

    here’s the reason…view the clip it answers the whole blog

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV2XBNl5604

  • VLsteve

    BOl get out of the house nigger, you need the exerciser right quick. 3:00 PM Maple Grove wednesday? you want “progressive” and some midaged german dude who grew up kinda close to over north to show up?

  • Fernando

    Tpar

    Terrorist Muslims is not a broad statement. Its who they are. Not all muslims are terrorists, but most all terrorists are muslim. And dont ask me to define terrorist retard, I already did it and played that stupid game with you. You should go back to your 7th century civilization that you sweat so much and live in Iraq. Go hang out with barbarian slime who blow up kids on purpose. I know you dont believe terrorism even exists, so obviously all of those crazy rag heads that are blowing themselves up is something else.

    How about you define what religious fanatics that strap bombs on their chests and kill women and children are called? Give me a definition sissy.

  • these posts are racist

    “Rag Head”? Why don’t you call them “sand niggers” while you’re at it? Not socially acceptable? I see, you’re a coward racist.

    Fern, was “Shock and Awe” terrorism? If not, why not? Innocent women and children were killed. Those dropping the bombs during shock and awe knew death of hundreds of thousands of innocent lives would be lost…Was that terrorism?

  • South City

    Bol, nigga you are MASSIVE.

    (pause)

    Stop givin’ these coonin’ ass niggas a pass. Talkin’ to somebody intelligently is not the equivalent of talkin’ down to somebody.

    I grew up in North StL (Walnut Park, bitches), and I go to college. When I talk to other people, I don’t start spewin’ out random words straight outta Meriam-Webster, but I damn sure don’t dumb myself down just b/c I’m talkin’ to the homies on the block. Hell, when I do “slip up” and say a word with more than 4 syllables, my niggas ask me what the word means. A lot of niggas don’t have the opportunity to go to college, but still wanna learn new shit. These rappers know damn well a nigga is quicker to pick up a CD than a book, the least they can do is not insult and inhibit their intelligence by dumbin’ shit down.

  • Dan

    I like the point you made how people lower their level of knowledge to communicate, but if you talk smart to them you feel like you don’t belong there and left out.

  • allnice

    I really don’t get these southern dudes man. I appreciate their songs and I’m happy these dudes are finally getting theirs, but it just doesn’t make any sense when they start complaining about every lil bit of criticism that comes their way. These cats need to understand that every rap region gets criticized and that is the way it is man. Southern rap just can’t please everybody, it’s impossible.

    As for David Banner and Lil Jon, the fact that them dudes are from mulberry lane is hilarious to me. They bounce around cussing and acting the fool in their videos and interviews, but that is all some minstrel show act. Whateva pays the rent though bro, it is what it is. No need to cancel a dude’s hustle, but besides Lil Jon’s beats and a few tracks, they aren’t Jay or 50 level anyway, so who cares really.

  • Fernando

    People in Iraq knew this was coming. This was not a random act, it was an act of war. Its too bad they didnt get out of the way or that their government didnt let them leave. No it was not terrorism. Its collateral damage / casualties of war. We were going after military targets, and if civilians happened to be in the area that is their bad. We gain nothing from killing innocent people.

    Now I asked you a question. What do you call fanatics that strap bombs on their chests and purposely kill women and children in market places with no intention of hitting military targets???? You probably dont have an answer b/c you are not even close to as smart as yo have these idiots on the message board believing. Just another idealistic idiot living in a utopian fantasy land where everything can be solved by blaming the white man or the USA.

    Why dont you just come out and say it. You have no problem with terrorists. You actually agree with their tactics. You wish our country was run like one of the lawless muslim states that you adore so much. You have no problem with people using themselves as bombs to make a political or religious point. You probably wish every oppressed or angry muslim in the USA would take to the streets and start blowing themselves up in the middle of Macy’s since you obviously have no problem with it.

  • LOL

    LISTEN BOL… I KNOW U HANG AROUND WITH A BUNCH OF CRACKA HIPSTERS , BUT INCASE U FORGOT, NOBODY HAS A MONOPOLY ON WORDS,OK

    BLACK PEOPLE TALK AND EXPRESS THEMSELVES DIFFERENTLY WHEN THEYRE AROUND EACH OTHER AND TALKIN TOO EACH OTHER.

    YOU WANT THEM TO SPEAK “PROPERLY” WHAT FUCK IS PROPER SPEAKING EXACTLY?

    TALKING WHITE.

    INTERGRATION HAPPY ASS NIGGER.

    MAN YOU FORGOT ABOUT UR PEOPLE

    UR CULTURE.

    STOP JUST STOP WIT THIS SHIT

  • LOL

    AND WHY DO U HAVE THAT FAKE ICE GRILL AS UR PIC, U AINT MAD AND U AINT A THUG

  • these posts are racist

    “What do you call fanatics that strap bombs on their chests and purposely kill women and children in market places with no intention of hitting military targets????”

    Murderers who deserve to be treated as murderers.

  • Redd

    @ around and around

    I like big bags of weed.

  • these posts are racist

    To Fern, over 600,000 dead innocent civilians can be reduced to “collateral damage.” What a clown.

    Didn’t you call GW Bush a terrorist? So aren’t the dead in Iraq, vicitms of terrorism?

    The truth is, if Arabs die, they’re just rag heads anyway, so cares.

  • jg420

    anyone who wants to see bol with his mean mug go here

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=nWOQRw-iHos

  • these posts are racist

    “What do you call fanatics that strap bombs on their chests and purposely kill women and children in market places with no intention of hitting military targets????”

    So what if these “terrorists” attack a military target in a market place–and they end up killing the military personnel and innocent civilians. Before they attack, they say “we intend to kill the military target”.

    Is it terrorism?

  • Dec

    Bol I think you’re absolutely right….these are cats that are trying to fit in & sell records instead of being who they really are. It’s interesting that you point out David Banner because he really looks like he is trying to hard to be “hood” or “ghetto” that at times it’s straight hilarious. I once heard him on on sirius & he just really sounded ridiculous. Trying too hard yet college educated. He should know better.

  • book

    Calm down Bol, you’re going too far with it. I’m from the Bronx myself, and I’m not trying to take sides, but “niggaz” need to stop ‘bitchin’. Don’t get it twisted though, the South came with alot of Bull$#@*, but the other hand alot of good sh&*. These “niggaz” need keep their hands outta other “niggaz wallets and do what the fu#% they claim to do…..make hits.

  • dolo

    Fern, get yo shyt straight .. Most of the terrorist attacks of the world occur in Latin america by paramilitaries . Of course the media only reports what they feel is relevent to push an anti-muslim agenda .. dont believe the hype

  • Hawaiian

    TPAR, what is the point of posting your beliefs on this board? Really, you are achieving nothing.
    You sound so self-righteous, but there are a lot of people that talk the talk, but do not walk the walk. you are clearly a talker cause i dont see any walking.

    The Middle East was a basket case long before America got involved, even centuries before America was even discovered, shit even thousands of years ago!
    Dig into a few ancient history texts bra.

    Islam has been around for thousands of years, and surprise surprise, so has the history of bloodshed in the Middle Eastern region.
    Coincidence? I think not, and either do historical scholars.

    “But of course it is Bush administrations fault”. lol.

    im with Fern here, you try to sound so intelligent preaching to the people on this site, but people with a shred of actual knowledge hear you coming off as a clown.

  • Hawaiian

    “What do you call fanatics that strap bombs on their chests and purposely kill women and children in market places with no intention of hitting military targets????”

    Murderers who deserve to be treated as murderers.

    ————————————–
    Why is it that this religion and its followers you defend so passionately regard these “murderers” as heroes?

  • HAWAIIAN

    #
    dolo Says:

    August 22nd, 2007 at 8:31 pm

    Fern, get yo shyt straight .. Most of the terrorist attacks of the world occur in Latin america by paramilitaries . Of course the media only reports what they feel is relevent to push an anti-muslim agenda .. dont believe the hype
    —————————————–

    And who are the paramilitary forces funded by?
    Drug cartels, trying to topple the government to achieve their own ends.

  • http://xxlmag.com DARK

    frenando is an ignorant white fuck shit crakka this war in iraq is a white man started war for oil cause bush is a greedy ass dickhead he also wanted to go after Saddam because saddam had targeted his daddy dearest at one point of time and the war also got started by his own selfeish personal motives dats jus ilreasposible wehn ur in charge of a fuckin country if a mafucka targeted one of my fam i personaly myself wuld bust a cap in a mafucka not have a whole grup of mafuckas do it for me u sound like a fuckin bush supporter for reel fag fuck out of here u ignorant shit ur remarks bout all Moslems being “terrorists” and “ragheads” is jus fuckin ignorant u sound like a child wut bout the oaklahoma city bombing?hmm two white guys were behind dat and were dey moslems no u asume all terrorists r of moslem faiths wut about the crusaders they were a bunch of chirstian terrorists causein choas in the holy land they wanted the holy land of Jerusalam all to themselves they came time and time again sluaghterin ppl under orders of the popes at the times and dat is wut iraq practically is today another chirstian crusade ur a reel stupid fuck fren.and bol ur days are nunbred practically everybody knows how much of a fag u r frum that parker report vid ur a white coon in black face wit dat white voice of urs bol goes to star track conventions wit his cracka ass cracka friends bol is a fuckin nerd u continue to talk shit bout ppl but when ppl interveiw u bout it ur a scared lil bitch begin for protection ur a fuckin clown.

  • VLsteve

    dolo

    paramilitaries aren’t religously motivated, there not on al-jazeera talkin death to america and all the infidels will be destroyed by the hidden imam. and of course, most importantly, venezulan/peruvian paramilitaries aren’t fuckin with americas pockets, i.e. petroleum. now suicide bombings, and sending 4 yr. old girls strapped with bombs over to UN peacekeepers, I don’t kno too much about that in latin america

  • http://xxlmag.com DARK

    p.s. why does Isreal think they have claim to Jerusalam the holy land they call it dere capital.first of all the european chirstains wanted nothin to do wit the jews so started the zionist movement expelling and puting jews in moslem lands isreal is not even rightfully there country it was palistine lands the whole conflict started by moslems and jews was trigered by chirstians and belive me i have notin against chirstians my moms herself is a chirstian my father is a sunni moslem as well as myself but im jus statin history and truth.

  • http://xxlmag.com DARK

    Jerusalam rightfully tough if i may correct my self is the land of three faiths chirstanity,Judaism,Islam the palestine lands were moslem ones but jerusalam is home to three faiths where three faiths started but now Isreal claims dat land as dere capital and dats not right.

  • DirtDoggy

    Yes Banner is retarded, he’s one of those cat’s that pretend they are smart if you ask me, he’s really dumbin up if that’s possible, trying hard to be smart, you don’t have to try to be smart if you are, you just are, a lot of these dumb fucks think there intelligent just because they use big words but in reality they don’t even know the meaning, so it goes both ways.

  • jg420

    Bol had my comment pulled from the message board.http://youtube.com/watch?v=nWOQRw-iHos

  • doctor69

    you what up dark fuck mr crump who got ethered by rev al he I gotta agree with bol if your educated and have to dumb down your thinking your a house nigga malcolm and martin didn’t dumb down there speeches and they had worse school and enviorments then mr cumpt he needs to get his head right as for lil john I knew he was smart I knew a dude who brother went to school with him and he talk way different then he raps no lie and fernado shut your white ass up you cracka holla at ya folk

  • lil mama

    you all are tripping .Everybody down south is not slow`or uneducated.n i hate some of this shit on the radio,but yall fail to realize teenagers are making this music at 16,17 ,18,19 or 20 was you thinking about the state of the black man or was you trying to get high ,fuck off, and do silly shit.
    quit hating on the whole south for what our teens are rapping about and the whole country is feeling
    1988 and up kids are running the air waves.and they not feeling that concious rap,or trying to educate they what to have fun. they are fucking kids .check the ages on all the songs that hot on the radio no of these dudes r over 25. Real Souf stand up.

  • T.R.E.Y.

    you ain’t racist Bol. you’re just kinda clueless when it comes to today’s rap.

  • thoreauly77

    bol- another highly disappointing post that goes nowhere.

    n-cred- english is NOT a latin derivative. there are only five so look them up.

    banner is a very intelligent human being and should not dumb down anything. there is a difference between communication and condescending. for a smart guy, he sure forgot that part.

  • stoneyisland

    I peep your photo Bol, you do look digustingly fat and gay, get off big mama and nems couch and do a push up or pull away from the dinner table, you FAT fuck:)

  • http://xxlmag.com DARK

    wut up to my homie doc69 wuts good.and sorry i started to get thrown off frenandos bullshit topic over all frenando u dumb fuck my point is not all terroirst like u think r moslems terroists can be anybody terrorism happens in all parts of the world everyday wit different ppl of differnet faiths u truly shuld think before writn retarded coments white boy.and p.s. doctor69 go to youtube and type in under search “BLOGING OUT OF CONTROL WITH BOL” lol its some funny shit homie look how gay bol is peep this my brotha the bitch bol even gots a white accent it some funny shit.and bols boyfreind billy no x sunday is a true slave ass house negro have u been readin his blogs latley doc?dis mutherfucker billy sunday claims white crackers save hiphop when only there one of the main causes of its destruction some fucked up shit for reel.Asalamylcum to all my reel brothers and sisters “no bol”no billy sunday”no uncle toms”revolution is comin black power!!!RED BLACK & GREEN

  • tha_face

    Great fucking post

  • Around and Around

    Fernando Says:

    August 22nd, 2007 at 6:40 pm
    People in Iraq knew this was coming. This was not a random act, it was an act of war. Its too bad they didnt get out of the way or that their government didnt let them leave. No it was not terrorism. Its collateral damage / casualties of war. We were going after military targets, and if civilians happened to be in the area that is their bad. We gain nothing from killing innocent people.
    ———————
    Dam Fern is a fuckin slow bus ridin cracker.

    So collateral damage is different morally from indiscriminant killing? Tell that to the INNOCENT victims of collateral damage. What’s the difference, when someone goes and kils innocents, and someone who drops a 5,000lb bomb in a residential area where they KNOW that many victims are going to be innocent. It’s all terror pure and simple, both cases you have people trying to live there life, and are terrorized by the random killing.

    The people new it was coming? So what are they suppose to do? Run? Where? So because they new it was coming this justifies it?

    You a racist hillbilly, GB apologist. You make many fucking random statements and can’t back up shit, assumptions and statements you purpose to be fact.

    Word to Dark, this is a white mans war for oil and power….pure and simple.

    As Immortal Technique said, ‘We don’t get the spoils of war nigga, we don’t get weapons contracts nigga, we die in war nigga…pick up a book and read’

  • Stonyman

    Bol hasn’t been fired because you D-bags keep coming to the site. XXL makes money and gets more advertisers by having a better Alexia rating. Bol does what he is supposed to and does a damn good job. He has had the likes of Pimp C, Lupe, and whoever the fuck else feels he is important enough to come here and respond to his flame posts.

  • Around and Around

    DARK Says:

    August 22nd, 2007 at 9:52 pm
    Jerusalam rightfully tough if i may correct my self is the land of three faiths chirstanity,Judaism,Islam the palestine lands were moslem ones but jerusalam is home to three faiths where three faiths started but now Isreal claims dat land as dere capital and dats not right.
    ————
    Yeah, and now they are setting it up to be strictly a ‘jewish’ city, rather than a home for three faiths.

    The Israeli historian Zev Vilnay stressed in his encyclopedia “Whenever Jerusalem came under the rule of Christians, Jews were not allowed to stay or live in it. Those Jews who happened to come to the city during their [the Christians'] rule were either killed or expelled. On the other hand, whenever the Muslims occupied the city they used to call the Jews in, allow them to live inside the city . . . and they lived in peace.” [l3]

    Colin Thubron, the British author, also writes in his book Jerusalem, ” In the early centuries, the Muslims were generally tolerant of the Jews and lived with them peacefully while Europe was steeped in persecution.” [l4 ] These statements are borne out by the several easily identifiable events.

  • Fernando

    A & A –

    You say Im slow, yet half of your post reads like a 2nd grade debate piece. Get some spelling lesson clown. And for the record, I never said I agreed with this war, I was only pointing out the difference between crazy fools that blow up people in market places and military acts. And nothing about my post was random or assumed, its what happens in war.

    According to TPAR & Round & Round and a few other idiots, there is NO difference between military acts and terrorism. By the definition you fools are putting forth, every military action in the history of the world is terrorism and there is no difference to the guys that hijack planes and go after only innocent people and acts of war. And I said GW probably is a terrorist based on the definition you put forth, and maybe he is. But there is a difference with nations going at it, and with crazy fools blowing themselves up in shopping centers. One last question TPAR. How are we supposed to punish these “murderers” if they are already dead? And since these “murderers” seem to plan and plot in groups, and carry out plans to kill as many people as possible, what do you call these groups? Would you prefer the term “Groups of psycho murderers” instead of Terrorists? Would that help?

    Dolo – Im not talking about paramilitary factions in South America. You arent impressing anybody by referencing terrorism in S. America. They obviously haven’t started beef with us so it is irrelevant to the discussion.

    But hey, I guess I am arguing with people who type “dat” to say “that”.

    Damn Dark, you must be one retarded fool. You post looks like something the dude in Green Mile would type. “ilreasposible” is not a word goon.

  • Fernando

    The revolution is not coming Dark. Sorry to burst your bubble. You will just have to learn to get educated and get a real job like the rest of the country and the “uncle Toms” you despise. Its really not that bad though. Steady income, a house, a car, food in my belly. You should get on board, its probably better than whatever your phony revolution is promising you.

    BTW, what will happen in this revolution? I’ve always been curious about that. Will McDonalds serve the McRib year-round? Will Good Times be in syndication for eternity? Will everybody get wellfare and never have to work? Please explain.

  • Cinsere

    What you people have to ask youself it: What’s worse? An “elitist” who doesn’t support ANYTHING b/c of his damn-near-impossible-to-reach standards…OR…a “supporter” who buys and listens to EVERYTHING just to support, regardless of talent or quality (or severe lack thereof)?

    Ya’ll dudes listening to all this dumbed down southern shit wanna get mad at people cuz they’re standards are supposedly “too high”…but to me, that just means that ya’ll mu’fuckas have no actual opinion. You have no real “taste”…ya’ll just support for the sake of supporting cuz they’re from your region. That’s not a fan…that’s a groupie.

  • Around and Around

    Sorry my spelling is poor Fern, I didn’t have the opportunity to grow up on Alphabet Soup in the trailor like you.

  • Around and Around

    Fernando Says:

    August 22nd, 2007 at 6:40 pm
    You have no problem with terrorists. You actually agree with their tactics. You wish our country was run like one of the lawless muslim states that you adore so much. You have no problem with people using themselves as bombs to make a political or religious point. You probably wish every oppressed or angry muslim in the USA would take to the streets and start blowing themselves up in the middle of Macy’s since you obviously have no problem with it.
    ——————–
    And nothing about my post was random or assumed
    —————-
    No that entire paragraph wasn’t random or assumed, your right.

  • http://www.kaseclosed.blogspot.com Justin Kase

    the title of this post should be “Does Bol really hate black people?” but that would be too obvious since anyone who has ever read one of your posts already knows the answer. The real question is what makes you “hiphop” enough to write this blog? Really, this is more like a soap opera than a blog.

    The good thing is you have regular viewers that don’t mind throwin tomatoes and beer cans at you everyday. I think you like it like a little kid that doesn’t do his chores so he can get a whoopin just to know that mommy still cares. Well we don’t.

    If you understood the hip hop culture, some of your blogs would be answered before you write them. You would know that D. Banner is breakin free from that oppression that is still prevalent in Mississippi as well as many other southern states; regardless of his background. His first album was so crunk, he had the passion of a slave trying to get free. Instead of feeling his pain you kick him while he’s trying to uplift his people. He’s too strong to let you or Sharpton, or anyone else hold him down (no homo). Remember, he is an entertainer, and a voice for those who go unheard. Atleast he’s not eating what they’re trying to feed him, he’s trying to feed. If you don’t want what he’s offering, don’t accept it, but don’t knock it either because you sound like a white man at a Panther party.

    Take that pointed white sheet off ya head Bol, you’re a brother too.

    IF YOU ARE EVER (EVAR IF YOU’RE BOL OR HIS BOYFRIEND BILLY X.)HAVING A BAD DAY, CLICK ON MY NAME AND IT’S INSTANT RELIEF.

  • these posts are racist

    “BTW, what will happen in this revolution? I’ve always been curious about that. Will McDonalds serve the McRib year-round? Will Good Times be in syndication for eternity?”

    The above combined with Fern’s use of the racist term “rag head” should let everyone know that Fern is a racist who shouldn’t be taken seriously. Besides the fact that he has no sense of logic.

  • Bbrolic

    BirdsFlySouth:

    First of all, I’m not telling you to respect him because he’s black or just because he’s older, but just because he’s a man. If that man has never done anything personally disrespectful to you, why do you feel you have the right to speak to him in a disrespectful manner. There’s Universal Laws bro and if someone you didnt personally know stated:Tell Birdsflysouth I said he can suck my dick and bla, bla, bla”, what would you do? Where I’m from those are famous last words fam, and if those words are said by someone that means they are declaring war! Why would David Banner not wanna speak to this man face to face to find out if he really had some sort of genuine problem with this man instead of basing it on soundbytes and news stories!

  • Sauce: The Designated Hater

    Bol, You bring up a valid point. Rap itself, in no certain terms, have become the gateway for idiots and “wanna-be’s” to compensate for lack of ambitions and initiatives. Quite frankly, most southern rappers are very articulate when you speak to them. Most are well-informed and seemingly intelligent. The same case can be made for NWA. Ice Cube attended the Phoenix Institute of Technology, yet no one ever questions his involvement in “Gangsta Rap”. Tupac was probably more intelligent and well read than most Ivy league college students, but he is known for being arguably the most controversial rapper to date. The list can go on and on. What the hell makes some rappers get on TV and act like blithering idiots is beyond me! Maybe they should put on the old “black-face” and dance around and act like the animals cuz that’s the way we are percieved to be!

    Remember this: You Gold teeth, gold chain wearing…If you can finish this, you should know better! Don’t give them the ammo, people.

    “Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity” Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. 1963

    Yes, I am from Texas Bol!

  • tybe

    i tend to agree but its sad that your upbringing influences the music it should be talent that should be judged not a person’s background. Its even sadder that a rapper has to play the dumb blonde in order to push sales or even have credibility. i suppose thats why artists like kweli never actually sold that much because the content needed some chewing over. Worse they are putting idiots like killa cam on 60 mins to represents hip hop

  • Around and Around

    these posts are racist Says:

    August 23rd, 2007 at 10:18 am
    “BTW, what will happen in this revolution? I’ve always been curious about that. Will McDonalds serve the McRib year-round? Will Good Times be in syndication for eternity?”

    The above combined with Fern’s use of the racist term “rag head” should let everyone know that Fern is a racist who shouldn’t be taken seriously. Besides the fact that he has no sense of logic.
    ——————
    Yeah leave that fool to the 8 mile. He’s on of the bigot’s that LOVE hip hop

  • dolo

    Vlsteve .. we are not talkin about religion but terrorism .. im just sayin the majority of terrosist attacks are not done by “muslim” terrorists .. but u said u dont know anything about latin america. so why open ur mouth

    hawaiian . actuallly aalot of these paramilitary groups are funded by our tax dollars ( cia covert operations) and Corporations who follow no law ..

    Fernando .. lol @ beef .. well our tax dollars and middle eastern drugs have alot go do with latin paramilitaries more than u think..

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  • kritiq

    is the real issue the way David Bunner talks or is it what he’s talking about?. people should express themselves the way they feel like it, if he wants to talk like that he can talk as long as he is talking sense.

    jus coz he does not want to impress crackers does not mean he’s dumb non of you in here know how he was brought up so talking shit and assuming things about him is kinda lame.

  • these posts are racist

    Are all those identifies as Muslims who commit acts of violence, “terrorists”? Are Muslims who commit acts of violence all the same, killing or fighting for the same purpose or cause?

    Also, for those you deem terrorists, would it make a difference if the “targeted” military installments and still killed innocent civilians?

    Or in the end is not about innocent civilians, since you chalk up innocent dead muslims as “collateral damage” or use some other term to rationalize their deaths, but rather whenever a Muslim does something wrong, it is his “muslimness” that caused the wrong or is the reason for it–rather than approaching each incident/group/people/person with a diligent analysis…

    What you fail to realize, is that you are simply falling into the narrative. The narrative being: Terrorist Muslims hate us and our way of life and therefore want to kill us. Thus, a Palestinian who fights because his land is stolen is lumped in the same category as an Al Queda person who is lumped in the same category as an Iraqi fighting to avenge the death of his brother who is lumped with a random killer who just wants to be killed.

    Each incident in which a Muslim commits an act of violence is used as evidence to support the insane narrative. Thus we remain silent when hundreds of thousands are killed. Thus we remain silent when fear is used to trample our rights. Thus we remain silent when politicians use “the war on terror” to further any cynical adgenda they may have–without any scrutiny or questioning.

  • http://xxlmag.com DARK

    frenando ur a reel dumb mutherfucker everybody on this page is etherin u im tellin u real facts and real historical facts and u start talkin bout macdonalds?ur obviously a trailer trash bush supporter who fucks his sister and drinks bud light eat a white dick.And word to around and doc69 and everybody else etherin this punk frenando.

    -Salaam

  • Cuban Link

    Forget hip hop, it is well known that Southern schools are and never have been as good as schools from other regions, especially ones in New England.Real talk, it started in slave times and it just never wore off.Not to say the south is uneducated, but come on.I think it was Louisiana and Missouri which had the lowest percent of graduating students in America in ’06.Maybe its because the politics are so fucked up down there. Down south the governors and mayors actually tend to be very racist.In Jersey, the politics are more corrupt than any other state in the country, and they still manage to run decent schools.Bloomberg was the biggest cocksucking scum bag we’ve had, but one thing he did a great job with was the schools, especially in areas like Jamica.

    And David Banner is an idiot. He tries to come across educated, but ive seen interviews with him and Sway on MTV where they talked about politics, and he just sounds so stupid and keeps contradicting himself.

  • yeah

    Fat ass bitch. You deserved to be pistol whipped.

  • Fernando

    TPAR-

    Not every act of violence by a Muslim is terrorism. Its really not that hard to understand? A guy that murders a single person is different than a guy that blows up a train with 100′s of people on it. Are you so blind that you cant see the difference? Notice how nobody called the violence between Hezbollah and Israel “terrorism”, because they were concentrated attacks on mostly military targets. NOT SPECIFICALLY CIVILIANS. And yes, is does make a difference if the group employing the violence purpsely targets civilians or not. The only incidents that “feed the narrative” are when you see an embassy or a hospital blown up by five crazy arabs in a van packed with C-4. What are we supposed to think? “Oh, that was just a random group of arab guys that did it for no reason at all and has no connection to the attack last week for which the SAME LEADER takes responsibility” Lift your eyes from whatever propaganda you are engulfed in.

    To your next worthless point. So now terrorists are freedom fighters? Is that what you are saying? Look, I dont see very many average Americans blowing themselves up to “avenge the death of their brother”, or because the government stole their land (which does happen here). And yes, many more terrorists come from the muslim world, but that does not make the acts of Timothy Mcveigh any less of a terrorist act because he is not muslim. If he had a 1000 person army following his lead for a specific cause, I would view him in the same manner.

    And what you fail to realize is that there is a connection between these bombings, islam, and the fanatics that are hell bent on destroying the infadels (which probably includes you TPAR and A&A!). Im not buying your argument that a few were revenge bombings by randoms, and a few were done by angry palestinians, and some other attacks were done by Al Queda. This is obviously a practice that is centralized in that part of the world, and the clerics and mullahs that call the shots are feeding disenfranchised angry arabs all sorts of perverted versions of islam which they soak up for years. There is a serious hate for western civilization in large numbers over there and you seem to identify with it. I dont think they hate us for our way of life, I think they hate us from years and years of their leaders selling the common folk out to our interests, and the fact that most of those countries are still hundreds of years behind us industrialy, socially, politically, and every other word that ends in -lly

    Terrorists also bomb many more targets than just the USA, so Im not only talking about terrorists that target us. They kill people all over the Arab world, people in Spain, Ireland, etc. etc.

    Around and Around –

    The post you used to make whatever point you were trying to make was an expression of how far TPAR goes to defend terrorism and pretend that it does not exist. You also omitted the sentence before that read “why dont you just come out and say it”, implying that his train of thought was somewhere in the range of the following things I said. I know it is hard for you to understand, but try and keep up.

    And if I am getting ethered, it is news to me. All I see being typed is TPAR going further and further into “what if” scenarios, ignoring what is right in front of our faces, and strained attempts to minimize the effects of psychos blowing themselves up in public places to get to the virgins in the sky. A&A trying to spell and construct arguments at the same time, and about 5 phony muslim cats typing in ebonics, making no sense, and screaming REVOLUTION / RED-GREEN-BLACK POWER!!! Blaaaaahhh blah blah

  • these posts are racist

    Fern:

    650,000 dead innocent civilians in Iraq. Your semantics of “intentional targeting” given such staggering numbers, is comical.

    If someone you deem to be a “terrorist” states “I intend to kill only military targets”, proceeds to attack a military target and still kills innocent people, is he a terrorist?

    Also, why do you call Arabs “rag heads” and why do you think there would be free rib sandwhichs if the revolution you accuse Dark of wanting should occur?

  • http://www.myspace.com/michaelbjordan SENATOR MICHAEL JORDAN

    I’m from Alabama. The South is in desparate, dire need of intellectualism in its rhymes. Our MCs are failing us by repeatedly going over the same cultural topics.

    We do love old school cars. We do have thick women. And we do eat chicken and drink beer, if not moonshine.

    But we are far from stupid or less educated. The fact is that most people send their children to the south for better opportunities. You already know, being from St. Louis.

    The music isn’t all dumb down here. A lot of it is good, but you’ll never hear it as long as the radio programmers want you to crank that soldier boy all day and all night long.

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  • http://xxlmag.com DARK

    of course im a phony moslem in the eyes of an ignorant crackka like frenando because his ignorant interpetation of moslems r quote “rag heads” and “terrorists” but wait a minute when have you ever heard of a white boy with the name FERNANDO You must be one of those white boys that cut grass for a living. I guess when you where little all of the white boys wouldnt let you play in the white boy games. Is that why your mad FERNANDO. Before you get on your computer and talk shit at least change your screen name. That name alone lets me know that your a fucking faggot FERNANDO. Have you fucked any chickens to day FERNANDO ur a pussy ass bush supporter u sound like a reel conservatve bitch like bill o reilly.frenando or r prehaps u one of those 3rd generation latinos dat r white or naw ur just a ignorant faggot who begs to go to prison shut da fuck up bitch and dont comment on tha black power movment a fag like u doesnt even understand.

  • CINCINNATI BITCHES

    FERNANDO TRYIN TO OPEN YALL EYES.
    Yall sound like yall tryin to hate this man for not agreein wit you. Fuck that he make some good points. TPAR you too quick to shut him down before you even listen to him, he spittin real talk. Dark..I’m black too, but it is some muslims bombin shit, includin they damn self. That’s suicidal, suicidal and they say it’s ooooverrrr.

  • Around and Around

    Fern Says:

    And what you fail to realize is that there is a connection between these bombings, islam, and the fanatics that are hell bent on destroying the infadels (which probably includes you TPAR and A&A!). Im not buying your argument that a few were revenge bombings by randoms, and a few were done by angry palestinians, and some other attacks were done by Al Queda. There is a serious hate for western civilization in large numbers over there and you seem to identify with it. I dont think they hate us for our way of life, I think they hate us from years and years of their leaders selling the common folk out to our interests, and the fact that most of those countries are still hundreds of years behind us industrialy, socially, politically, and every other word that ends in -lly
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    I’m I the only one that can see Fern’s bullshit here? First he states that it’s the religion that’s hell bent on destroying the infidels, but then the last sentence he says it’s the US bending over their leaders fucking them, and supporting them? Which is it? You’re close Fern you almost got it. Maybe they don’t give a shit about you as an ‘indidel’, but want to be free of the US.

    I can tell you how to stop TURRRORRRISM, stop fucking with the middle east, pull our Army’s out, stop treating Israel as the 51st state, stop fucking in all of their affairs, apologize for all of our wanton killing over there in the past decade and guess what, they’ll have no beef with us. And we’ll have peace.

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  • these posts are racist

    “his ignorant interpetation of moslems r quote “rag heads” and “terrorists””

    He also said if blacks had a revolution, they’d give out free mc ribs, etc.

    How does Fern feel about Black people and other non-whites?

  • Around and Around

    He’ll listen to hip hop, but that’s as far as Fern gets….otherwise he’s whitebread chicken shit mutha fucka.

  • Fernando

    Well A & A, at least you admitted in your post that terrorism exists! More than I can say for TPAR who just dances around the issue and tries to categorize all violence as the same. He, in fact, says there is no difference between suicide bombings and tanks firing at military targets.

    Its funny that Dark gets all pissy and offended at “rag head” which is pretty far down the offensive ladder, and then goes on to say things relating to hispanics cutting lawns. Well put you effing hypocrite. Salaam!

    And in regards to the revolution. Im still waiting for an answer for what is going to happen. I was just throwing out some theories for what it might include. I hear all the revolution talk, but nobody has an idea of what it will be. Just makes you look lost and desperate for an identity.

    And TPAR, since you cant seem to get it, and are dreaming up every possible scenario to legitimize terrorism, I will asnwer your retarded question:”If someone you deem to be a “terrorist” states “I intend to kill only military targets”, proceeds to attack a military target and still kills innocent people, is he a terrorist?” – TPAR
    If a large group of people organized themselves into a recognizable entity and declared war on Israel, then any military attacks on Israeli military targets that resulted in some civilian casualties would be casualties of war / battle. Its completely different than and unexpected suicide bomber killing men, women, and babies on purpose while they are at the market, on a bus, in a plane, etc. etc.

    And at Iraqbodycount.org, which is a site not friendly to the occupation (so you know they would try to inflate the numbers if they could), they have innocent civilian casualties at 75,000. So, sorry TPAR, you were off by about 575,000.

    A&A-

    Ill try to put this very simply so you can catch up. Western forign relations with the middle east has been bad for decades. Lots of it having to do with their leaders selling their people out to our oil interests. Thus the angry populous needs someone to blame. Enter powerful social leaders (ayatollahs, mullahs, clerics) who exploit their anger, funnel it into a perverted versions of Islam, and you end up with what we have now. So there is a connection with regards to politics and religion. Its not a contradiction. Nice try though.

  • Around and Around

    Fern you’re a fucking stupid flannel shirt wearing, tobacco chomping fuck, the numbers he refers to is accurate, it’s a study done by John Hopkins University researchers. It’s state of the art work and is no doubt accurate, not one person has refuted it scientifically. None. All they say is, ‘Oh that’s too high’.

    from the web re: Iraqibodycount:

    The body count website also acknowledges that it only uses news organizations for its information. To quote : “The project relies on the professional rigour of the approved reporting agencies.”

    In other words, they grab the reports from the wires, tally what they can, and go with that. They do not interview the hospitals, do not investigate on the ground, and do not do any “real” research into the deaths.

    In short, their methodology is beyond suspect, given the very nature of the news services used.

    The margin of error was 426,369 to 793,663.The study uses a method similar to that employed in estimates of casualty figures in other conflict areas like Darfur and Congo. And everyone accepts the figures given for Darfur, Congo, and the Balkins. But when the numbers don’t suit their intersts, it’s wrong.

    And yes I acknowledge there is turrrrrourizm out there. But also many forms, such as guided missles sent by misguided men. WTF is shock and awe? Is that not meant to turrrorize the entire populous? And most of it has a concrete reason behind it other than, oh they hate us.

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    Fern stay in your lane homo you stay losin, and keep ridin that gov’t dick

  • VLsteve

    FERN
    iraqbodycount.org stops in 2004

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    it seems like,most,not all,but most of yall up north cats act like racist ass klansmen.people were singing on slave ships in different languages.people in the south has been through so much issh,but yall want focus on broken english,the messed up thang about it is we all going through the same issh.i think this guy who wrote this column is a fuckin gump. …. plus im from tennessee bitch?

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