Wu-Tang, seriously, wtf?

Speaking of music festivals, I’ll be in New York not this weekend, but next weekend for Rock the Bells. There’s a shiteload (a fuckton?) of hip-hop acts performing that day, but the headliners are the Wu-Tang Clan and Rage Against the Machine. At this point, I figure I’m pretty much just going to see Rage Against the Machine. If the Wu actually manages to show up and put on a good show, that’ll be great. But if they don’t, I won’t be too surprised.

After all, the Wu has become known for that sort of thing. Next month will mark 10 years (Jesus H. Tapdancing Christ!) since the time a young Bol was going to see them and Rage out at Riverport (the sight of the infamous Guns N Roses riot about 15 years ago) and those motherfuckers couldn’t be bothered to show up. 10 years after the fact, I’m still pretty upset about this. I could use some closure and/or a rosy cheeked woman.

When I saw the GZA in Chicago the other day, he made it a point to note that he was missing a Wu-Tang show in Amsterdam to perform for us. On the one hand, I could appreciate the fact that he was willing to push his other obligations aside to come perform for us (read get his fat festival check), but I’m sure I’d be pretty pissed if I was counting on seeing him (as opposed to, say, U-God) in Amsterdam.

Worse was the time when Ghostface couldn’t make it to the Wu-Tang episode of VH1′s Hip-Hop Honors, supposedly because he had a show to do in Europe somewhere; and it’s not like he could just not show up to some concert just to tape a TV special that would be seen by millions of viewers and might have had the effect of helping get the Wu’s career back on track…

At the time, there was speculation that there might be beef between Ghost and the rest of the Wu and that Ghost might not be on the next album. Of course when I mentioned it in a post I did on the Wu on this site earlier this year, mofos got all upset, talking about how I didn’t know what I was talking about because I don’t know shit about hip-hop all of the usual pejorative ad hominem bullshit.

Come to find out, I was right. In the feature on Wu-Tang, in some magazine that obviously caters to a more sophisticated demographic, the RZA suggests that Ghost might not be on the new Wu album.

“I told Ghost, ‘Yo, I’ll do this album without you, Ghost,’” says RZA. “‘I’ll do it without you, man, because it ain’t about you; it ain’t about me; it’s about Wu-Tang. It’s about what it means to the people. It ain’t about what it means to us no more.’”

As much as I’d hate to be that guy who makes it a point to note that he was right about something, just so everyone else can feel stupid, I’m pretty much left with no other choice at this point.

*takes a five minute break to wallow in his self-satisfaction (nullus?)*

In an interview at Pitchfork today, the GZA says that the new Wu-Tang album might be coming out in October, but it sounded like he just pulled a date out of his ass. When I saw him in Chicago this weekend, he suggested that they already had quite a few songs recorded, probably enough to put together a decent album. Only thing is, from what I understand, Ghostface has yet to record a single verse.

With all of the hype that I’m sure will be generated by the tour beginning this month and extending into the fall, this year would be as good a time as any for the Wu to mount some sort of a comeback. Will they actually be able to? I hope so, but I wouldn’t count on it.

  • http://www.xxlmag.com/?p=9820 Pot

    How Can Hip Hop be Dead,
    If the Wu Tang is Forever!!!

  • Lazy

    Damn, say it ain’t so Ghost.
    Oh yea, and 1st???!!!

  • Youngz

    1st!!!!!!!!

  • Youngz

    1st!!!!!!!!

  • Youngz

    Ghost is gonna have a fucked up year, being murdered by G-unit, and dissed by his WU homies…To me, he was always one of the weekest in that crew, only raekwon and RZA has actually som mc skillz, the rest are just weedcarriers pretty much….

  • THESE POSTS ARE RASCIST

    I was in Amsterdam once, the gayfestival there are just Bangin´ (whoops my bad) hi hi

  • triplesixninja

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  • b-ease

    Youngz Says:

    July 17th, 2007 at 11:58 am
    Ghost is gonna have a fucked up year, being murdered by G-unit, and dissed by his WU homies…To me, he was always one of the weekest in that crew, only raekwon and RZA has actually som mc skillz, the rest are just weedcarriers pretty much….

    ^^^^^^^^
    thats crazy talk. its been esatblished since Supreme Clinetele that Ghost is the most talented member of the WU in a general sense.
    from what i hear Ghost and RZA fell out over some royalties (what else?). Itd be a damn shame if Ghost wasnt on the new joint but itd be even worse if he wasnt on Cuban Linx 2 (which i know isnt coming out but still…)

  • havoc

    what’s up with OB4CL2, is that shit still gon’ come out or what?

    its been too damn long, need some real shit right now, i mean RIGHT NOW!!

  • b-ease

    Wu is the greatest hip hop group ever (yep, better than PE, NWA,Outkast, and Tribe) its a damn shame they couldnt make it out of 1997 in one piece.

    But seriously, how do you make an album after Wu Tang Forever??? Bigge was lucky enough to not half to top Life After Death but the Wu are destined to suffer from unrealistic expectations FOREVER.

  • Tyler

    Wu Tang!. . . The best thing New York got going 4 them. Ha’ Ha’
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  • PHOENIXXX

    Wu Tang>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the south

  • smog

    was that mag stop smiling? anyway yeah i heard that wu shows sometimes get fucked up, not to say thats not true or to give excuses but they do have 9 dudes (the ghost of odb still lives in wu or at least it needs to be for them to be succesful) and getting 9 dudes coridinated for a hour long show got to be hard, especially when all those dudes are on stay high, i could sort of see ghost being pissed cause he never got pushed as the front man of wu, as meth was, and ghost is doin real good for himself now i bet dude is feeling like what the fuck do i need from wu, o yeah youngz is a dumbass postin frist in the 3rd and 4th spot and then saying ghost was the weakest member of wu,

  • Hokus

    Cuban links 2 was supposed to come out this spring or summer I thought, if at all. I think it’s done recording though. Anyone know if Rage is cutting a new record. Zach De La Rocha was quite possibly the angriest man to make music ever. You’d think what with George Bush and Iraq and shit they’d release something.

  • LOL

    I WONDER HOW MANY BLACK KIDS ARE GOIN TO ROCK THE BELLS TO SEE WU-TANG AND A BUNCH OF NERD RAPPERS?

  • http://haterfree.com me nigga

    B-EASE says: But seriously, how do you make an album after Wu Tang Forever??? Bigge was lucky enough to not half to top Life After Death but the Wu are destined to suffer from unrealistic expectations FOREVER

    i sorta agree. smae thhang micheal jackson went thru and is still goin thru after that thriller album.

  • The Spaniard

    I have almost zero expectations for this new project…and that was before Ghostface’s issues with the group. A damn shame how the Wu fell off.

  • yupyup

    Face it New York-the wu is washed up. It’s been 10 years since they’ve released anything worth buying. How High sucked, just like every wu solo album (master killa anyone?) The wu is nothing more than a speed bump in hip-hop history. Wu, fu-shnickens, camp-lo, sporty thieves, 702, blaque, they’re all the same.

  • ABC

    90′s Wu-Tang Clan = 90′s Chicago Bulls

  • HariG13

    I was at a WU concert in england a couple of weeks ago. Everyone was there. And it was the best concert i been to(and ive been to jay-z and nas)

    Ghost seemead cool wit the rest of them and the tracks from the new album they played for us at the end of the concert sounded good.

    So WTF are you bitchin about.

    WU TANG FOREVER!!!

  • RLW

    Yupyup you’re dead wrong No Said Date was a classic.

  • mrLex

    Seems like the Wu can’t get it together. It’s always about ego’s and money. Hopefully, they’ll work it out and get the Wu album done.

    July’s almost done. So far it’s only Pharaoh Monch and T.I. that released good albums. It’s worse this year than it was last year.

  • ThingAlec

    Remember how hard it was to get ODB on The W? Yeah dems were the days.

  • Atl’s own

    deez niccaz need to let it go. go raise yo kids or sumtin’. nobodies checking 4 da WU anymore.

  • Ghost Deini

    Ghost is gonna be on the album. I seen an interview with him on flex a few weeks ago. And he was talking about how it feels good to be in the studio with everybody. Here’s the link to the video.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW8TzY7Yusc

  • Cinsere

    “I could use some closure and/or a rosy cheeked woman.”

  • Ghost Deini

    Ghost talks about the album at 3:40

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW8TzY7Yusc

  • Cinsere

    ^^^WTF…my whole comment ain’t come out…I meant to LMAO @ that quote.

    Anyway…how the hell is the man who had single-handedly kept that Wu torch lit NOT gonna be in the album?!

  • Cuban Link

    its sad too, Tony Starks is prolly my favorite member of Wu Tang next to Dirty Mef.GZA is the sickest lyrically though, hes just amazing.I hope they can grab GFK on it.

  • LOl @ WU

    What those guys never learned is to keep their mouths shut until something is considered done and finished.

    Example: Raekwon’s OBFCL – he should have never said anything about it, except that he is working on a new album. Then he went and signed with Dre, which means no album will ever come out.
    In the meantime, the expectations spiral out of control, because OBFCL is suddenly the best rap album ‘ever’. No matter what, he will never be able to satisfy any kind of expectations.
    What I expect to happen is that – if it comes out before 2010 that is – that it will be a washed up shit like ‘Lex Diamond Story’.
    Everything I heard of him in the past year was horrible, straight up.

    ~Saigon, take notes. Don’t ever say ‘my album is the best’, this is for OTHERS to say, never the artist.

    Wu Tang, example II:

    8 Diagrams, we already went through 12 release dates and as a matter of fact, Ghost didn’t record shit.
    Then they go on tour and will be finished on August 30th.

    So they will record the rest, mix, master and press up the album for October, within 4-8 weeks? Promotion anyone?

    Laughable. This album will not see the light of day before Christmas and I am willing to bet 76 Cents that it won’t happen before summer 2008. And thats quite the courageous assumption.

    Finally, who brings it out? In Europe the Bodog Music label, which has ZERO experience for music anyway (keep in mind, thats actually an online poker company and their boss cannot enter the US, he has an arrest warrant on his head) and for the rest of the world it is good old Steviiiiie Rifkind, the SRC guy, who raped Jae Millz, Maino and countless others with so called record deals.
    Hey, Pharoa Monch, look how good the running gag of delaying release dates worked out for him.

    This is a demontage of a living legend, Wu is ruining their own reputation.

  • livefromthe225

    we seasoned hip hop fans (see 25 & up) have a certain sense of nostalgia when thinking about the return of rappers or groups we grew up listening to…our minds takes us to the point when these guys style, swagger, lyrics, and music was what we wanted to emulate…we want to feel like it’s 1993 or 1987 or 1996 when we hear that (insert hot 80′s/90′s emcee here) is about to come out with new material…we wish things would be as great as we remember them…

    the reality is there is only a fixed group of individuals that are still capable of producing material that is equivalent to their high points and unfortunately Wu Tang aint one of them…their style is outdated (save Ghostface) and it would be painful to hear them attempt to conform to modern day rap music…the legacy will always remain, but the thrill is gone…sonically the music will probably be great, lyrically it might be hit or miss, but as far as garnering a buzz or album sales it aint gonna happen…and if i’m wrong, i’m just wrong…

    btw: Outkast is the only group that can make material as good as 1993 in 2007 (Big Boi= better than 90% of average rappers, Dre3000= the best rapper in history)

  • Chris

    “Face it New York-the wu is washed up. It’s been 10 years since they’ve released anything worth buying. How High sucked, just like every wu solo album (master killa anyone?) The wu is nothing more than a speed bump in hip-hop history. Wu, fu-shnickens, camp-lo, sporty thieves, 702, blaque, they’re all the same.”

    You’re an idiot who gets off on being contrary. Everything you believe is wrong and you hate hip-hop.

    BTW, Nerd rappers? Niggas need to stop throwing out shit like “nerd” and “lame’ about things they know nothing about. Your worldview is crazy limited and most you niggas don’t know anything about the world, lest the rest of the country, so be careful how you label shit. There aren’t any “nerd” rappers on Rock the Bells.

  • IRON IVE

    Well i happened to see a Wu Show last wednesday out in cologne germany. Ghost seemed quite intact with the rest of the clan, the only one who missed their european reunion tour was method man. even though the show was as chaotic as expected and not more than an hour long (glad i didnt have to pay ;-) ghost was one of the members with the most presence on stage. what sucked balls was that after performing their classic hits the played somewhat three new songs… … off CD without performance (!!!). Instead they left the stage without coming back for an encore even though the venue was packed and those loyal wu-heads out in germany showed more enthusiasm and appreciation then deserved…
    The new songs sounded o.k. but not that spectacular… They also announced an october release date on stage…

  • SON OF A WU

    Went to see Wu Tang 2 weeks ago and everone was there and on fire…. Ghost was straight heat, i think he will be on the album!!!

  • Smokey McPot

    Looks like Bol got out-journalized( not a word ) by IRON IVE. ALLHIPHOP HIRE THAT GUY INSTEAD!

  • Jhon da Analyst

    Damn, let me call Mathematics on this one. This is for all you youngstas and anyone from FagLanta or southern garbage as niggas that hate on the WU. You’re all still deaf, dumb, and blind. You sorry ass swine eatin’ motherfuckas!!! Knowledge Knowledge!!

  • triplesixninja

    yupyup Says:

    July 17th, 2007 at 1:25 pm
    Face it New York-the wu is washed up. It’s been 10 years since they’ve released anything worth buying. How High sucked, just like every wu solo album (master killa anyone?) The wu is nothing more than a speed bump in hip-hop history. Wu, fu-shnickens, camp-lo, sporty thieves, 702, blaque, they’re all the same.

    UR GAY
    and all the rest of u fags are gay too for hatin on the best group ever in the rap game.

  • triplesixninja

    wu tang is the best. that is a fact. they brought originality into the rap game, and every single on of them is sick on the mic.

  • J SMOOVE

    btw: Outkast is the only group that can make material as good as 1993 in 2007 (Big Boi= better than 90% of average rappers, Dre3000= the best rapper in history)
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^didn’t kast just catch a brick with Ildewild…..now don’t get a nicca wrong I fucks *pause* with kast/3000….BUT….best rapper in history???????WTF u smoking…and your reasoning for that outrageous statement is WHAT????? Plus that’s a matter of opinion based on Who/What you grew up listening too.

  • Cuban Link

    co-sign to S Smoove, In 1994 they dropped Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik.In 2006, they dropped Idlewild.Um?

    And 3000 is sick, but by far not the best.NaS, KRS, Melle Mel, Jay-Z, and a few more are better than him, but dont get me wrong hes amazing still.

  • dirtyjerzy

    Damn it happens to every group, from NWA, to Bone, now Wu. A group is so much harder to maintain, that’s why going solo is best.

  • dolo

    Well ill be at rock the bells on the 29th .. Actually ghost playing a free show in nyc on the 23rd ( scion joint) so does that mean he will be in nyc for the show?, either way imma catch him on the 23rd so if he don’t show up won’t be as bad ..honestly ghost aint really rep as hard on 36 chambers as he has since .. Rock the bells also has bcc, rakim, mos def, kweli, badu, immortal technie . Definitely not nerd rap (although the other stage wil lhave bro ali an other cats)

  • Makaveli-the-God

    oldschool stand up

  • http://www.myspace.com/byggbwoy BYGGZ

    BOL,stop shittin’ on the WU,Wu-Tang is for the children.

  • BIGNAT

    A WU-TANG ALBUM WITHOUT GHOST IS LIKE HAVING A FINE GIRL IN YOUR HOUSE AT 3 AM AND YOU HAVE NO CONDOMS. YOU COULD TAKE THE RISK BUT DO YOU REALLY WANT 2 TO DO IT. IT’S NOT A WU TANG ALBUM IF YOU MISSING A MEMBER I HEARD THEY MIGHT HAVE SOME OL’ DIRTY VERSUS TO THROW ON THE JOINT. WHICH MEANS IF DIRTY GOING BE ON THERE YOU GOTTA HAVE GHOST. OTHERWISE NO GHOST NO BUY

  • John

    Saw them ALL in London on July 5th! Thought I’d let you know!