Tupac Is Still Dead…

I suppose there are a few of you that are a little disappointed that Makavelli didn’t resurface this past weekend. If Tupac were to come back after over a decade in hiding what would be left for him inside of rap music anyhoo? T.I. a/k/a TIP a/k/a The King of Rap a/k/a “I Stole Nelly’s General Motors check” is the current schizophrenic, introspective, former thug turned rap music matinee idol. I suppose Tupac could make a few dollars on the book he would write about his stay in Tibet, or was it Nepal? But who is reading memoirs anymore since James Frey fucked up the game? I’m telling you that Tupac would come back to rap only to have his record sell a miserable 100K. If T.I. can’t go gold in his first week out the box then what hope does ‘Pac have of being relevant. He doesn’t know the current slang or even what car rims to rap about. I don’t blame Tupac for staying dead either. The greatest rapper alive said it himself, “You know dead rappers get better promotion.”

So what’s the official SoundScan verdict on ‘TI vs TIP’? It doesn’t have to be a classic to do some decent numbers since TI has the south on his back hotter than a suntan. That and the fact the Curtis project was pushed back farther than Russell Simmons hairline meant that there wasn’t any real competition or interference for the TI release. There’s no way in hell this album hasn’t eclipsed 300K (the new Gold standard). If TI’s album comes in any lower than that you kids better stop buying Nike Dunks and skinny jeans and put your money in a 401k because rap music as a career is over and done with. Even the Jesus Christ of rap music, Kanghey West, won’t be able to resurrect the body. If Tudda is the Jesus Christ of rap music what does that make Fisty Scent? I suppose that’s a post for another day.

Speaking of the Jesus of rap, where the hell is your man NaSir? No more videos from the HHID release, no leaks from the next album, no beef with former colleagues. No nothing. Yo NaS, holler at us big fella. I guess Jigga has the lil’ homey holed up in one of his condos shining his platinum plaques since he lost the bet. HHID was a better album than ‘Kingdome Come’ but how in the fuck could he outsell Jay-Z when Island Def Jam was busy buying up over half a million copies of KC? As it stands, I’m about to get out an ad on a milk carton for NaS and another Def Jam alum, XXL Mag Dot Com’s very own blogging Joe Buddens. Dude came through for a hot second and then skated off into the sunset. I know he didn’t go on vacation with his Harris Publishing check. I can barely keep my DSL active with mine. I can’t blame Harris though since I’m lucky they pay me at all. If you want to feel sorry for someone then shed a tear for those jokers over at The Source.

So here we are kicking off the third fiscal quarter and we still haven’t gotten the date for OB4CL2. That my friends, is some bull fuckin’ shit. I am almost embarrassed to have to admit that some of you may have been correct when you said the album was dropping in Nevuary 2000. As each year passes Raekwon becomes less of a giant in the Hip-Hop pantheon. This is a crime against humanity. July 7th, 2007 was supposed to be the return to glory of the Wu Tang Clan. The new Wu album, Tudda’s ‘Graduation’ and ‘Curtis’ will remind us all why we love this rap shit so damn much. And Tupac, that dude is still dead.

  • Indigo Kid

    First. Yeah I agree, Nas HHID > Kingdom Come. Ah well at least Pac ain’t alive to see this

  • My Effin’ Opinion

    Could 2007 be the worst year for Hip Hop in the last 30 years?

    Besides NYC not puttin’ out anything memorable (other than Redman), Peeps in the South are not exactly happy with the full album products from any of their beloved artist either. I can tell buy the reaction to the T.I vs T.I.P LP which was suppose to be the biggest thing … what now? (sorry folks Wayne said D3 wasn’t droppin’ til 2008).

    The West is still waitin’ for Detox to make them relevant again. Other than that, I don’t think they are too happy with the music/artist reppin’ them right now.

    Again, I don’t think any particular region can honestly say that their area has put out great stuff, sure there have been hot singles from individual artist, but i’m talkin’ LP’s.

  • http://xxlmag kane corleone

    ti shit is trash cuz,and yes Makaveli is gone but its still O-U-T-L-A-W 4 life,the don doesnt have to be here in flesh u still fill his spirit shit rappers is still biting his essence , and either way a Pac album would smash any of this bullshit 1st week homie. Chill with the disrespect if u grown then show some respect thats still somebodys son, Get ME !!!Not a big WU fan,but i kinda did wanna hear OB4CL2 matta fact im not feelin new rap that shit is for the kidz i cant bang that shit,puttn rubberbandz around my tight ass jeans,shits not for me. LMAO @ the Russell hair line

  • http://xxlmag.com Billy X. Sunday

    MEO,
    Don’t you see that we all win when someone puts out good shit? If T.I.’s album goes gold in the first week how does that help anyone BUT him?

  • Makaveli

    how can you say pac ain’t relevant?! i agree hes dead, but come on, if pac came back, that would be huge, nigga would sell diamond for sure. that would be the biggest moment in hip-hop history, and how the fuck can you compare that bitch ass no talent havin muthafucka t.i. to pac?!

  • brebre

    RAP FANS AIN’T FEELIN “T.I VS T.I.P” BUT SEEMS LIKE THE MASS GENERAL PUBLIC LOVIN THE ALBUM SO FAR. (BASED ON AMAZON, iTUNES AND SIMILAR) IT’S GOING TO BE REAL INTERESTIN TO SEE HOW WELL THIS ALBUM DO.

  • david

    what about DMX’s ressurection of hiphop? shit’s gonna be hot son..it will include featured artist..i mean only real artists! = nas,eminem busta,etc.

  • ONE50

    WARNING: LONG RANT BELOW

    I was a die hard fan of hip hop/rap from the 80s and a better part of the 90s. Since about 1997 I’ve lost a little interest each year, to now that I don’t even care about it anymore. I was always the type to pass all the bootlegers and go to the record store and buy a legit copy. I just can’t go out and cop a CD anymore. I don’t like the side effect that today rap is having on my neighborhood.

    I’m not saying everyone should have the same gripe I have with the music. The concept is just terrible nowadays. I look at it like this, I could’nt even imagine myself a favorite rapper from the new crop. People tell me that Lil Wayne is setting the game on fire. As oppose to who or what though? He reminds me of the GZA line in “Older Gods”.

    “Copy cats are finnicky, without skill they master the art of mimicry” -GZA

    I find myself on YOUTUBE daily diggin in the crates for old video and audio. To my surprise most of the stuff I look for is on there. I found this old Children of the Corn joint on there. For those that aren’t familiar that’s Big L, Mase, Cam’ron, McGruff song is call American dream. Heat Rock!!!

    Billy X is ironic you included Pac in your drop. I myself think the death of Pac is what spark the deterioration of hiphop and his antic leading up to his death. Right after Pac died there were rappers from everywhere popping up using Pac style. Let me rephrase that, outright byting Pac’s style. Everyone from No Limit rappers (Crazy, C Murder) to Lil Zane to Ja Rule. To me I think this was the first time byting was ever accepted in hip hop. People call this swagger jacking now I supposed. And people will call you a swagger jacker instead of the proper beatdown for byting.

    So byting is accepted now as a minor offense. That why rap zombie M.I.M.S came copy cat his way to some ringtone dollars by byting off that southern rap style. Along with few weed plate sales. When he should have been disowned from jump street. Now back to lil Weezy. Never in the history of hip hop has anyones rap style improved so dramatically. So when Gillie the kid came out and said he was writing for him I was not surprised. So Gillie was dismiss as just a hater, and now people actually think Wanyne got nice all by him self when he used to spit line like.

    “My pa Baby he lives on chrome, my pa baby he get his shine on” LOL

    Look I aint saying that Weezy aint spitting some incredible bars these days. I’m just saying like Barry Bonds there should be an asterisk by his name.

  • chonk wu clan

    Damn the new t.i. album suuuuuuuuuuuucks
    i put that shit in my stereo 2day and the fuckin beats suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

    …………….DAMIT

  • roc

    HIP-HOP SUCK RIGHT NOW,AND I DON’T SEE IT GETTING ANY BETTER ANYTIME SOON.

  • John Brown

    Billy,

    Do you really think that the WU album is actually dropping this year?
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    One50,

    You can’t compare Bond to wayne. Bonds was a great player in the 90′s. Shit, he was a better outfielder (8 straight gold gloves), a great base stealer, and a home run hitter. I am not saying that he cheated but everyone says “Bonds was slimmer when he first started, blah blah blah.” Ok but if you look at Michael Jordans first season in the NBA he was slimmer to. Now look at his body type when he won the last 3 rings. I dont know if Bonds used steroids or not but I could careless.

  • Rizzop2003

    The greatest rapper alive said it himself, “You know dead rappers get better promotion.” You must mean jadakiss cuz he was the first to say that…..Def Jam and jay fucked nas over promo wise, but homie been on tour doing shows, aint that where the money is anyways? And tupac had/has too much of a following to go gold, even in this climate, and he sure wouldnt just be talking about rims……Would’ve loved to see that “hustlers” video from Nasir though.

  • Chad Biggz

    YEAH! Where the hell is Joe Budden?

    Its the summer time Mood Muzik 3!!! What’s up!!!

    I know I’m not gettin an album outta Joe until Presdient Carter is out of office. If he drops an album again. I say go to Koch the new Def Jam anyway

  • jacquez
  • clarknova

    I dunno, I don’t see this year as worse than last year so far. But I’m not feeling too good about Curtis, even though despite myself I kinda like rap’s supervillain. The Kanyeezy I am looking forward to despite him being annoying. I think There have always been periods of artistic slowdown…we’re just in one now. My hope is that after a dry spell some new talent emerges in the next year or two…and not Joe Buddens. Or fucking Papoose.

  • http://xxlmag.com Billy X. Sunday

    I don’t know why y’all act like we don’t have young new artists bringing heat to rap. Joell Ortiz is a monster.

    I imagine that NaS is on tour somewhere, but damn homey, can we get at least a collabo out of him in the interim? Andre 3K stays dropping 16 on anybody’s shit.

    People forget the politricks that Jersey Joe had with the JiggaMan behind that Just Blaze track. Do you think maybe Jay still feels a kind of way? With all the delays in Buddens projects the answer has to be yes.

  • http://www.dahandsums.com Eastcoastee

    am I the only one checkin on that Joell Ortiz joint? or the carter 3? when is the new LOX album droppin?

  • youngz

    It´s sad to se an artist like TI being on top of the game, outselling Nas, Redman, common, where did it go wrong? The south is partly to blame, 95% of it is str8 up garbage, I´ve never been able to listen to an entire southrecord without skipping every other track…
    The westcoast are all dryed out…
    NY…fabolous and papoose the young talent will barely make gold..
    Theres no wxciting new artists poppin´, like back in 03 when 50 and kanye dropped…Hope T.i will flop big time, cause dude can´t rap, he´s lyrics are rubbish, and that hole modern G thing is so played out….Right now Hiphop is dead!!!!

  • rizzop2003

    I agree, nas shouldve had about 4 singles off that album. And i also think Jay-z became president just to shut down all his NY rivals while collecting a check (i.e. no Ny rapper on Def Jam being promoted….period.) I personally need that Lox album to drop. That OB4CL2 was doomed from the moment they gave it that name. Cant duplicate greatness, even if dre is doing every track( Ok, maybe he can? The god doctor rarely lets me down)

  • Were Read 2 Def

    Yo Billy,

    Whats up wit ur website?

  • fboner jams 03

    The greatest rapper alive said it himself, “You know dead rappers get better promotion.”

    kiss aint fuckin with andre 3000…

  • TEZZ

    hip hop sucks right now and i got the new ti ad the shit is weak like he didnt even put no time into it the only one im feeling is fabolous cause he got alotta of singles on there but def jam gonna fuck it up with the promotion like they do everybody lil wayne though i used to fuck with the dude no he let the shit go to his head and he getting straight lazy and he jump on a beat with a weak as flow and you be like damm man rap fo real and stop doing this bullshit but i dont think that he got better overnight cause i been liking him in the pre carter days when he started doing the sqaud up mixtape thing now if you dont believe me check em out but now the niggaaint spitting like he used to and plus could you honestly say you can listen to a lil wayne album all the way through he has horrible beat selections lol

  • havoc

    what the fuck is going on in hip hop when the new gold standard is 300k? the t.i album was horrible,hopefully graduation and curtis can tip the scales and bring in some big numbers. common’s album gonna be hot, and hopefully dre can get his mind right and bring out OB4CL2, fast. the good doctor has to bring rap music back to life.

  • around and around

    I agree nice drop for once. The problem is the industry in general, and what they’re putting out there. All this pay for play bullshit, southern ‘hip hop’ (Use that term loosely) saying the same shit over and over, very little quality shit out there unless you do your research.

    Need more Immortal Technique/Talib/Papoose/etc, and that’s where the consumers of real hip hop need to spend their money.

    The south is capable look at some of that fire outkast has done: “The gold that I am wearin is really made out of bronze It weighs a ton and makin my neck turn green And I got a criminal record that will never come clean”
    So again, the shit’s just gotta come back to the industry heads, and what those punk mutha fucka’s are trying to feed us.

  • Incilin

    Fuck that shit, OBFCL2 is never ever gonna be released. And if it is, its gonna be on Koch or some shit. No way its comin out on Aftermath. I’ve given up all hope on that. I mean, it was supposed to be released as a 10 year anniversery!!! Not a 12 or 13 year anniversery.

    Speaking of Nas, didn’t he shoot a video for “Hustlers” I swear I saw the “making of” video on YouTube.

    Also, Rakim had said his newest album “The 7th Seal” was supposed to be released on 7/7/07, but I aint seen or heard shit. Big surprise.

    I don’t get it, music that people want to hear (Wu-Tang, 50, Kayne, even Wayne)never seems to get released. And when it does, it’s not nearly as good as we hope them to be.

  • HollyHood

    The tip album is str8! He gotta a couple fi tracks. Kanye will come through n a month or 2 and save hip hop.
    Check me out let me know what u think myspace.com/welcometohollyhood

  • Incilin

    Oh, yeah whateva happen to Joe’s blog here? Nigga signed up and didn’t post shit for months, then did one rant post and disappeared. Oh well, at least there’s still Mood Musik 3.

    And I doubt 8 Diagrams will be released this year, although I expect them to do tracks from it at Rock The Bells so go get your tickets cuz I got mine.

  • smog

    nas doesnt need to come out with anymore singles, people need to recoginze how good that album is, that shit is better then hell hath no fury, everybody talk about south and ny, this the year of chicago, lupe, common and kayne what?

  • Tyler

    Wit’ all the weak albums and Numbers, if U were Pac would U come back? He ain’t dead, there is just not real reason 4 him 2 show his face. He getting paid without all the bullshit.
    SolutionsGlobalMedia.com aka SGM7.com
    Love it or Hate it, Tell a Friend.

  • fixda

    I don’t understand why “black republican” hasn’t been shot yet!!!!And what about “hustlers”?Them people at the labels acting like they don’t want to sell their records…shit is crazy

  • internet thug

    can you imagine what would happen if ti and 50 bomb. that is it hiphop is officially dead.what are these major labels gonna do next. cause you know these dudes don’t play when it comes to their money. they gonna start takin from the artist tour money and everything else

  • Gnicks

    I think people will buy CD’s again when rappers make albums worth buying. There is rarely a CD where EVERY track is a banger. The TI CD is 1/2 garbage. The TIP side is okay, but the other 2 parts suck. I hope his shit flops too because he uses the streets to sell records just like 50. 50 talks about sellin crack in his songs but he lives in the suburbs of Conneticut.

    As for HHID. Honestly, it was part garbage too. Does anybody feel that song with Kelis. He talked about hip hop being dead and lacking creativity, but he rhymed over “Theifs Theme” again?!?!? The best song on that CD was “Hustlers” but he didn’t even promote that. If he comes out again this year, he needs to get some better beats and he might sell.

    Hip Hop isn’t dead it just sucks right now. It got too mainstream. Listen to “I Used To Love Her” by Common. He said that a while back but its happening now. BE was better than anything that came out that year or after it but nobody cared. Things will look up for rap music when Common, Kanye, and Lupe drop. To tell you the truth though, I’m just waiting for Saigon and that new Murs.

  • http://www.xxlmag.com EReal

    Kanye saving hiphop? *SMH*

    Its like I’ve said a thousand times, these fuckers arent giving the streets what they want. Where the fuck is ANY aftermath drop? How the fuck you havent released anyones shit or even a mixtape? WTF is goin on with Dre man?

    For example. 50 drops “Funeral Music”, as you mentioned, and “hold on”. Everyone starts buzzin,”Is 50 going back to his old raps” “50s still got it” ect. Then instead of giving us the 50 we want, he gives us the 50 he THINKS we want with his two next singles. STB was aight and the hook for AP was aight, but they were just radio ready wanna be club songs and thats LAME. Now he’s got some buzz with this new track and he should realize wtf we want, kna mean?

    I mean damn, we have the internet its not hard to see for yourself whats workin and what isnt. Real Talk. These labels need to think outside the box and get familiar, forreal.

    1 hunned.

  • MorphineRoberts

    Who ever wrote this editorial can suck a dick. Tupac is a hip hop icon! You wanna compare him to T.I.? Fuck outta here, son. How the fuck is the neophyte supposed to sell more than the predecessor? Can you recap on how many records Tupac sold in comparison to T.I’s? You cant even compare the two, hoe. You should’ve compared Pac to 50, god. Clifford Harris is a gimmick rapper who swagger jacks a lot of artist these days.

  • clarknova

    Here’s a very short roundup of new talent: Lupe sux. Period. Joe Buddens, Fabolous (is he even new talent at this point??), Papoose- all technically great but all boring for the most part. Rhymefest falls in there as well. And none of them offer much in the way of content, much like the hated on “southern rap” bitches on this site are always whining about. And let’s not forget Saigon.. who can definitely flow but who knows what the album’ gonna be. For the most part you gotta go underground/local to find the new hot shit: Guilty Simpson, Frank N Dank, Black Milk, Trae, Immortal Technique, Mr. Lif, Edan, DOOM, guys like that. Uh oh, here come the other most common type of haters on this site…the indie haters.

  • ruimixx

    BIZZY BONE

  • around and around

    clarknova Says:

    July 9th, 2007 at 11:40 am
    For the most part you gotta go underground/local to find the new hot shit: Guilty Simpson, Frank N Dank, Black Milk, Trae, Immortal Technique, Mr. Lif, Edan, DOOM, guys like that. Uh oh, here come the other most common type of haters on this site…the indie haters.
    ———

    co-sign

  • ONE50

    o yea…i forgot to mention..i beat off to that new 50 video

  • Cuban Link

    I’m willing to co-sign about Pac being decent at best, but on some real shit, if he WAS alive and DID come back, that really could save the whole rap game, cuz every rapper loves Tupac, and hed sell like crazy.

    Fuck Pac come back from South America already!

  • ONE50

    What in the hell is going on over at Def Jam? Props Billy X this up. Well it’s too obvious to me. I see TI vs Tip being heavily promoted. (Check the background on this site) Every blog for the past week has meantioned TI vs Tip.

    Fabolous (of Def Jam) drops a nice one from what I hear and his promotion is Ice Cold. Plus he just murdered that show called Wild’n Out.

    I could go off on the longest rant ever about how I have been patiently waiting on a video for Black Republicans.But I’ve come tot he conclusion that no video is coming for that song. And I saw a making of the Hustlers video on this very site awhile back. WTF happened to that? Who Knows!

    As for OBFQL2… Imma just come out and say it. How can there be a Purple Tape 2? No Joke, they should drop that joint on cassette tape only. Force cats to dust off their old cassette decks and walkmans, with the big house speaker earphones. That would be straight up hiphop right there.

  • http://xxlmag.com Billy X. Sunday

    “they should drop that joint on cassette tape only.”

    *cosigns one50*

    I will have to get out my headphones with the scotch tape on them holding them together.

  • http://www.plasticsquirtguns.blogspot.com thoreauly77

    MEO- did you hear the new El-p, polyrhythm addicts or pharoahe albums? all new york albums, all long-plays. i suggest that if you guys want to find more memorable music you look outside of the bangers section on xxlmag.com.

  • Incilin

    Fuck it, if the purple tape comes out on tape I will either A) Cop it B) Wait for YN to digitize it and listen to the post

  • http://XXL BUCK THE WORLD

    okay get this threw your damn heads Joe Buddens album ain’t comin out on Def Jam (at least not for another year) Jay dosen’t give a fuck bout da veterans on Def Jam he only cares bout the new cats. I mean think bout it. Method Man no promotion and no video, Redman no promotion and only 1 video, Ghostface no promotion and no video, LL Cool J no promotion and 1 video, NORE no promotion and 1 video and The Roots no promotion and no video. They put def jam on da map they were puttin in work when Jay was still yellin “Roc A Fella yall”. Jay realeased 3 FUCKING SINGLES for his album and he went over the limit for promotion. Like DMX said “Stop bein Greedy” Jay stop givin ur self all the attention

  • these posts are racist

    RIP, the greatest rapper of all time, Tupac Shakur. Tupac was the greatest rapper of all time based on any criteria.

    I don’t know what the rap game would be like if he was still alive or came back…its too difficult to speculate.

  • Danny

    Curtis?

  • thoreauly77

    TPAR- tupac was a jerk. he was the dorky theatre kid turned overnight gangster. while his messages were occasionally well-meaning, i think they were generally not clever or executed very well; beats mostly sucked; he promoted violence on wax and in real life. this alone should disqualify him from being the GROAT. while i respect your opinion, i have to say that you have always been off on this one. you point out the hypocritical nature of other people as your M.O., yet you laud an artist that embodies all things hypocritical.

    have you ever even considered that?

  • ONE50

    Gnicks Says:

    July 9th, 2007 at 10:45 am

    As for HHID. Honestly, it was part garbage too. Does anybody feel that song with Kelis. He talked about hip hop being dead and lacking creativity, but he rhymed over “Theifs Theme” again?!?!? The best song on that CD was “Hustlers” but he didn’t even promote that. If he comes out again this year, he needs to get some better beats and he might sell.
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    ^^^Yeah, better beats? I was listening to HHID just last night in it’s entirety. Not once did I want to; Shake a Laffy Taffy, Walk it Out, 2 Step, Party Like a Rock Star, or Pop Lock nor Drop anything.

    All I need to hear is a bass, kick and a snare pretty much and some deep lyrics. That’s hip hop. If a rapper needs some caked up beats to get his point acroos than he aint worth listening to in the first place.

    No dance tracks! Ok so what else was missing? Oh yeah I know. No awkward collabos. Nas feat. The Yin Yang Twin, or Nas feat. Kelly Clarkson? Take your pick. Now tell me a Nas/Kelly Clarkson joint with Timbaland on the production wouldn’t sell extra units. Get the Fuck outta here. Throw your computer in the trash please.

    BTW Theif’s Theme was the same sample not the same beat. But people are like sheep. Theif Theme’s beat, lyrics, and video was way harder than HHID. But everyone was all over HHID because Nas was saying something mildly controvesial and it gor a lot of press.

    “I said No Hell! She talking ’bout me kiss, bobbed her head them spit a nut back in my dick”
    -Nas

    ^^^Lines like that can bring her back, I’m talking about hip hop. And I definitely used to love her.

    OUT

  • smog

    mr lif is tired, talk about boring? most prodictable lines ever, dude think just cuase he can flow and he spit political he good and his new video dont want to be even underground, old ass man with one big ass dread, dude looks like he from star wars, ill mess with guilty and black milk though and most people rep indie cause they indie
    o yeah when that dude wrote : Hip Hop isn’t dead it just sucks right now. It got too mainstream. Listen to “I Used To Love Her” by Common. awwww so cute.

  • Jeff

    @one50 sorry that wasn’t the first time after pac died that swagger jacking,biting or whatever you wrote was allowed, I believe it was when Snoop remade “ladi dadi” , nobody seem to have a problem with it ,after that the flood gates where open.

  • ONE50

    @one50 sorry that wasn’t the first time after pac died that swagger jacking,biting or whatever you wrote was allowed, I believe it was when Snoop remade “ladi dadi” , nobody seem to have a problem with it ,after that the flood gates where open.
    ————————————————–

    Who doesn’t remember that. I don’t know where you are from but where I at, everybody hated that he did that song over. He lost major points with me and I remember he got clowned in one of those magazines for re-doing the whole song and changing up a few words. He did that, but he didn’t get a pass, that’s for damn sure.

  • these posts are racist

    thoreauly77 Says:

    July 9th, 2007 at 1:44 pm
    “TPAR- tupac was a jerk. he was the dorky theatre kid turned overnight gangster. while his messages were occasionally well-meaning, i think they were generally not clever or executed very well; beats mostly sucked; he promoted violence on wax and in real life. this alone should disqualify him from being the GROAT. while i respect your opinion, i have to say that you have always been off on this one. you point out the hypocritical nature of other people as your M.O., yet you laud an artist that embodies all things hypocritical.

    have you ever even considered that?”

    I don’t have a modus operandi. I don’t simply call out people for being hypocritical. I challenge BOL’s and Billy’s constant anti-muslim/arab bashing and disagree with them on many of their race/social commentary in general. I try to be direct and narrow to what they are saying as opposed to saying “you’re a hypocrite.”

    I also disagree with your assesment of Tupac. Anoyne’s opinion of beat quality or flow of a rapper is too subjective to have any meaningful debate, so I won’t even pretend to do any more than give a personal subjective opinion…His flow was flawless. How can I prove this? I can’t, its unprovable.

    The content of his rap is a whole different story. At points he was reflective and philosophical at others he was volient, mysoginistic and nhilistic.

    You grossly oversimplify who he was, “nerd turned gangster”. Neither you or me know who he was as a man, all we have is what we read, see and hear about him through interviews, documentaries and his music. He died at the age of 25. His music and that which was portrayed of him as a real person (via the news, etc.) reflects a man shaped by many realties, struggling to achieve his overly naive goals of social equality while still paying his bills and bowing to the pressures of the Corporations that run all of our lives.

    In the end we don’t know who he was as a person, nor do we know what he would have become if he was never killed and lived until the age of 80. The reason I love Tupac’s music is because most of it reflected a struggle that I could identify with, on a very real level, as I grew up in “the ghetto” and on a personal philisophical level, where I struggled (and continue to struggle) to be the man i want to be while dealing with the man I am, etc.

    Discussing Tupac is much deeper than a comment section on XXLMAG.COM…

  • around and around

    Bottom line is so many of Pac’s lyrics people in the struggle can relate to on so many levels. Unconditional Love….. Only God can judge me…. Hit em up. His shit really does make up the montage of life.

    As Pac Said:

    Ain’t nobody promise me a thing/ I been caught up in this game/eva since I was a little mutha fucka wantin to hang/.

    thoreauly77 if you’re stuck on lyrics that are clever, and rediculous rhymes, you’re talking something completely different. You want to talk something you feel in your chest plate, that makes you ball up a fuckin fist..then that’s Pac

  • BigMike

    Why the fuck are soundscan figures so relevant these days? Who gives a fuck what a rapper sells in the first week. If the album is good I’m gonna buy it. Sales don’t make a record hot or show that rap is alive…it just means alot people bought the record…not to be racist, but its young white kids that are buying the majority of rap records anyway (based on population..there’s more of them than us)….sales don’t necessarily show if its good or not. So lets stop focusing on sales and more on the quality of music.

  • ABC

    Why the people say that Lil’ Wayne is the best rapper alive? WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • ABC

    Lil’ Wayne kills Hip-Hop!!!

  • Tray

    I don’t like Pac much either, but you think that Curtis of all things is going to remind us why we love hip-hop? Or was that sarcasm?

  • thoreauly77

    around- you have a good point about pac’s music being emotionally moving — he was definitely passionate.

    TPAR- you write “I don’t have a modus operandi. I don’t simply call out people for being hypocritical. I challenge BOL’s and Billy’s constant anti-muslim/arab bashing and disagree with them on many of their race/social commentary in general. I try to be direct and narrow to what they are saying as opposed to saying “you’re a hypocrite.””
    well, that in fact is a modus operandi, and pointing out people’s hypocrisies has often been one of the tactics you employ as a part of your M.O. i actually don’t have much of a problem with that, i just find it amusing that you wouldn’t hold the “GROAT” to the same standards as you hold everyone else. if all we have is what you stated above (rightly so), then that is what we must judge him by, right? so, in my opinion, i think he was a complex, emotional and talented artist that also happened to be an asshole.

    another thing that you mentioned that is very valid is that his music resonates with you because of it’s reflection of the conditions you grew up in. i grew up poor, but not in the ghetto and not black, so i would never assume to understand the full complexities of the man’s struggle or life.

  • http://xxlmag.com Billy X. Sunday

    Tray,
    ‘Curtis’ when taken alone will not restore Hip-Hop no matter how much we enjoy it or how much it sells, but in the soundscape of Hip-Hop…

    A killer album by the genre’s current greats will remind us all of why we love this shit. I’m talking about ALL the things that Hip-Hop can bring to the table, from escapism, to introspection, to something as simple as the need to nod our heads.

    So I will repeat myself again for the hard of reading…

    ‘Curtis’, along with ‘Graduation’, along with a new WU joint have the potential for exciting and reminding us all why we love this Hip-Hop shit.

  • ONE50

    Your right to call people out as hypocrites are pretty much revoked if you’re going to be a 2pac appologist at the same time.

    I don’t neccesarily have a problem with him either. But it’s when people start to tell me his is somekind of revolutinary, pro-black community leader who is for the upliftment of children in the ghetto, I gotta call them out on their bullshit. He rapped about killing BIG’s kids. What part of the game is that. How can somebody defend that.

    I myself chose to be sensitive to people’s feelings about Pac while his death was still fresh in peoples minds but it’s time the truth start to come out about him.

  • http://eternallydamned.wordpress.com ThingAlec

    As for that new Nas single, I think he filmed the video for Hustlers (which in my opinion was my favorite track on the album) but this was 2 months ago.

  • around and around

    ONE50 Says:

    July 9th, 2007 at 3:27 pm
    He rapped about killing BIG’s kids. What part of the game is that. How can somebody defend that.
    —–
    As pac said in his interview…”They tried to shoot my fuckin balls off what the fuck is going on here”

    Imagine this you get robbed in your ‘boys’ hood, get shot up, and they act like they don’t know who did it….”in your hood”? How the fuck you don’t know what’s going down in your hood…especially when big was claiming to be a fuckin don? So you’re a don and you don’t know what’s going on in your hood???

    Why do you think Pac was saying that One50?

    For the record Pac really wasn’t on all that beef ish until he got shot up. What are you 18, and don’t remember his early records shouting out every dam rapper in the game at the time.

    Ho

  • diaz

    STUPID MUSLIM

  • Cuban Link

    @ Around and Around, thats prolly the biggest bullshit Ive ever heard.How does that defend threating to kill someones kids?Even the mob doesnt go that far as to attack someone’s family members

  • What’s Beef?

    Cuban Link-

    Biggie “What’s Beef”

    “Don’t they know my nigga Gutter fuckin kidknap kids? (uhh)
    Fuck em in the ass, throw em over the bridge (oooh)
    That’s how it is, my shit is laid out (what)
    Fuck that beef shit, that shit is played out (played out)
    Y’all got to go, all I make is one phone call
    All y’all dissapear by tomorrow
    All your guns is borrowed, I don’t feel sorrow
    Actually, your man passed the gat to me, now check this…”

  • Dr Flav

    So I guess Big didnt rap about foul shit right? GTFOH

  • What’s Beef?

    Cuban Link-

    Have you heard Biggie’s song “What’s Beef?”?

  • what’s beef?

    “i’m killin babies no if ands or maybes/
    hit mummy in the tummy if the hooka plays the dummy/”
    -Biggie, Deadwrong

  • Dr Flav

    Whats Beef, I forgot the rhyme, I knew dude said something foul. Posting delay is bull shucks.

  • dolo

    Midtown aint biggie’s hood .. lol @ the dumbass analogy by aroundandaround.. Midtown = the TI’s hoods .. Pac said massive ignant shyt

  • Cuban Link

    @ What’s Beef, I know this’ll sound edgy and biased, but its different.Pac didnt ACTUAL have kids, Biggie did.I know it sounds stupid, but it puts things in a whole different ball park.I like Pac dont get me wrong, but still it was worse what he did.

  • around and around

    This entire discussion is dumb as fuck.

    Words do not equal actions.

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