The Half-Year in Rap

My opinions on the year in rap so far. Without further ado.

Rap Album of the Half-Year

Presented to the best rap album of the year, by a wide margin, in this case

Winner: El-P, I’ll Sleep When You’re Dead

There’s been three or four pretty good rap albums so far this year, but El-P’s I’ll Sleep When You’re Dead is the only one I’m still listening to on a regular basis months after the fact, as if it was… you know, a rock album. Indeed, there’s definitely a rock-ish element to ISWYD, but it doesn’t take being a cracka-ass cracka to appreciate what El-P has done here, just a smart person.

’90s Rap Dinosaur of the Half-Year

Presented to a relic of ’90s-era hip-hop who’s still keeping the dream alive

Winner: Redman

For the longest time, it seemed like there would never be another Redman album. But then earlier this year Red Gone Wild just sorta appeared, to the sounds of crickets. It’s good though, really. I’m not too familiar with Doc’s Da Name or Malpractice, but Red Gone Wild sounds like it could be a legit follow-up to Muddy Waters. Which is pretty much the highest praise you can give to an album.

The Don’t Believe the Hype Award

Presented to bullshit albums people on the Internets think are good

Winner: 3-way tie: Devin the Dude, Waiting to Inhale; Sean Price, Jesus Price Supastar; Joell Ortiz, The Brick: Bodega Chronicles

Say what you will about so-called black radio, which is pretty much the music its listeners deserve, but damnit if the Internets haven’t been guilty of promoting their share of not particularly worthwhile rap music. For what it’s worth, those Devin the Dude and Sean P. albums at least had their moments. That Joell Ortiz album? Yikes!

The No One Gives a Shit Award

Presented to guys who should probably stick to making ringtones or whatever

Winner: 3-way tie: Mims, Music Is My Savior; Rich Boy, Timmah – The Album; Shop Boyz, Rockstar Mentality

I’m not gonna lie, the only one of these albums I’ve actually heard is the Rich Boy, which is awful. But I suppose the Mims and the Shop Boyz could actually among the year’s best rap albums. But let’s face it: they aren’t. They aren’t selling very well either, except if you count ringtones and shit. How long until labels begin signing these jigs just to record singles rather than entire albums?

The Perseverance in the Face of Reason Award

Presented to something hardly anyone likes, which keeps getting shoved in our faces

Winner: The hyphy movement

If ever there was a sign of the music industry’s utter contempt for us, the would-be buying public, it’s the fact that they keep trying to push this hyphy bullshit off on us year after year. Why? Because it’s regional? If anything, the last several years of hip-hop have shown that there’s an inverse relation between the “regional” nature of a recording and its overall quality. Think about it.

The It Was Fun While It Lasted Award

Presented to a genre of rap that was inexplicably popular for three months two years ago

Winner: Houston rap

I’m assuming those new albums by Mike Jones and Paul Wall were released at some point this year, but I wouldn’t know, because you hardly ever hear anything about them anymore. Chamillionaire’s “Riding Dirty” remained inexplicably popular for most of last year, but what about his new album. Was there ever a single released from it? Was Slim Thug’s Already Platinum ever certified gold, let alone platinum?

Shit Sandwich of the Half-Year

Presented to Hip-Hop’s grisliest botched abortion, at least until Curtis comes out

Winner: T.I. – T.I. vs. T.I.P.

I’m glad Noz said it first, because if I said it, people would just assume I was a hater. The new T.I. isn’t just bad, it’s awful. Granted I wasn’t a huge fan of King either, but that’s almost a good album compared to this garbage. Almost. T.I. vs. T.I.P. is like the shitty second half of King, only made even shittier and expanded out over the course of an entire hour.

  • People people listen closly

    The Perseverance in the Face of Reason Award

    Presented to something hardly anyone likes, which keeps getting shoved in our faces

    lol

  • these posts are racist

    BOL, you listen to rap music? You lost credibility when you, essentially, said that Tupac was the worst rapper ever.

  • Teeb23

    I actually NEED an explanation as to why Toiletbol and Noz think TI vs TIP is so bad???? I’ve been listening to the album for 2 weeks now and I just can’t hear it….. Help on the way

  • DirtDoggy

    I’ll have to agree with Mrs.Crawford on this one.
    Fabolous was the best I’ve listened to so far this year, but it’s nothin special either, he’s not quite up to his old word play.

  • ak47

    TI Vs Tip was different than his previous albums but I wouldnt necessary call it garbage.

  • around and around

    Wait!?!? Bol said Pac was the worst rapper ever?

  • Ryan

    The El-P album is amazing, most of these people probably have no clue who he is, which is sad. I was less of a fan of the Redman album, nothing will top “Muddy Waters” as far as Red albums are concerned, maybe it’s cause my 14 year old mind was captivated with how much of a 14 year old a grown man could be, I related well. The Joell Ortiz album is good to me though. There’s only two tracks I skip when I listen to it.

  • ONE50

    A couple of Fat Cats a couple of AIs award fot he half year goes to:

    Hip Hop beef

    SO far it’s been the year of starting beef with someone was out of your league. Cam vs Jay? Cam vs 50? Trw life vs Dips? Yayo vs Jimmy Henchmen’s 15 year old son. Lil Wayne stan vs everything hip hop? Khia vs Trina?

  • MrLex

    “…most of y’all will pop for a minute, spit a sentence then the game’ll get rid of y’all…” – Nas

    It’s already July and there hasn’t been a really good album so far. At least last year, Fishscale, The Big Bang and King were already released.

    I’ve been listening to hip-hop music from the ’92-’99 era. I listen to what’s out right now but most of them just come and go. Nothing classic. The new Pharoahe Monch album is pretty good. I’m feelin’ it. So far, it’s probably the best one this year.

    I’m still waiting for that so-called Nas album that’s entirely produced by Premier. Hopefully one day. I don’t know about the new Wu-Tang album but I’ll take a listen.

  • mrLex

    So far, the new Pharoahe Monch album is the best one this year.

  • Cam

    son go kill urself if u think T.I. Vs. T.I.P. was trash
    u a hater
    u dnt like shit
    find a new job or stop hatin
    rel tlk

  • Purple Hulk

    I dont agree with that rap album of the half year.
    Are you gonna tell me that Pharoahe Monch’s desire or Ev’s “Weatherman” werent better then el p? Even Mistah Fab ‘s “Baydestrian” was better then el p.

  • http://www.myglobaloutlet.com Severe

    Pretty good. except for hiphop album of the year. Who da fk is El-P? have yall heard that album? (if bol says its good, it probably sucks..)

  • http://xxlmag.com Bol

    >Wait!?!? Bol said Pac was the worst rapper ever?

    You know how TPAR likes to make shit up…

  • these posts are racist

    these posts are racist

  • http://A jUSTIN

    I AIN’T COPPED A RAP ALBUM IN YEARS AND IT’S BECAUSE OF ERE’THING IN THIS POST I’M REMINDED WHY I SHOULD CONTINUE TO DO SO!

  • Matt

    Three words…Sean Fuckin Price!!…How could that be a bullshit album??…I’m perplexed

  • http://eternallydamned.wordpresss.com ThingAlec

    Winner: T.I. – T.I. vs. T.I.P.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Only one thing i have to say to this quote. Fuck. You.

  • The Real Boy Wonder

    Ok, you ridiculous, obese, sorry excuse for a columnist, are you really that crazy?? Although I know it’s your opinion, how can an album of the 1/2 year be an album that we’ve barely heard of… Also your either opposed to TI or you really hate the south is running the game right now. Everybody knows that KING was a classic, although TI vs. TIP isn’t very “KINGish” it’s still a pretty good album. You try too hard to be an Asshole.

  • BirdsFlySouth

    I agree with everything to said except your comments about Devin the Dude, Waiting to Inhale
    and T.I. – T.I. vs. T.I.P. Niether is a classic but both are pretty good compared to all this other crap out there.

  • brebre

    bol, you always entertain the crowd. keep it up.

  • these posts are racist

    July 2nd, 2007 at 2:23 pm
    these posts are racist

    -Stop writing stuff using my name, please…

  • deerty

    T.I vs T.I.P is not that bad…4 mics from me.

    But best rap album this year so far is Pharoahe Monch-Desire

  • these posts are racist

    Yeah, i just make stuff up…

    Written by BOL:

    Why do hip-hop bloggers hate 2Pac?

    As I was finishing my list of the 25 best rap albums evar the other day, it occurred to me that a few of the d-bags in the comments section would probably throw a bitch-fit because there weren’t any 2Pac albums on it. Hence my little quip about Digital Undergrounds Sex Packets being the closest ‘Pac would make it to my list.

    Here’s the thing: obviously none of ‘Pac’s 49 or however many albums qualified for my top 25 list; but even if said list was expanded to include, say, 100 albums, I’m not sure if any ‘Pac albums would make it. Put simply, I don’t ever recall there being a really good 2Pac album. Call me crazy.

    And I’m not the only one. That cracka-ass cracka Noz’ list was expanded to include 50 albums, and there wasn’t a single 2Pac album. And it was the same story on several of the other lists I’ve read in the past couple of weeks.

    So what gives? Is the hip-hop blogosphere nothing but a buncha haters, or was 2Pac really just not that good? Both? I think I kinda already gave up my stance on this issue, but bear with me.

    This weekend, I went back and listened to some 2Pac to make sure my racism wasn’t clouding my good judgment, which is entirely possible. Obviously there isn’t enough time in a weekend to listen to everything the guy recorded, especially when you have to bust several shifts that The Day Job, but I figured I’d check out Me Against the World, which is a lot of people’s favorite ‘Pac album.

    Wow, what a shite sandwich of an album.

    If I had it to do over again, I probably would’ve spent the extra hour that it takes to listen to All Eyez on Me, since that’s the one that’s 8x popular. Or maybe I could have just watched the video for “California Love” on YouTube and pretended as if I had actually listened to All Eyez on Me. What’s an little white lie between friends?

    For the record, I heard Me Against the World, All Eyez on Me, and Makaveli back when they were new, and not so much recently. I’ve yet to hear the first two, which aren’t as well regarded as those three, or any of those bullshit-ass posthumous albums, and hopefully I never will. Obviously I don’t qualify as an expert on the guy’s work, but I figure I know enough of it to know whether or not it’s any good.

    Listening to Me Against the World this weekend, it occurred to me that ‘Pac must not have spent very much time on it. I’m aware that he only spent three days recording the Makavel album. (It took another four days to mix, hence “The 7 Day Theory.”) And obviously he couldn’t have spent much time working on All Eyez on Me, since it arrived in stores a mere matter of weeks after he was released from prison.

    But you have to wonder how much better any of those albums would be if he did spend more time on them. Though it’s generally regarded as 2Pac at his most introspective, nothing about Me Against the World suggests to me that ‘Pac was any more thoughtful a rapper than, say, Master P. In fact, those last few 2Pac albums were obviously a blueprint for all of those shitty No Limit albums that followed in their wake.

    I’m not saying that’s ‘Pac’s fault. I’m just saying.

  • stoneyisland

    Bol was right on two points, hip hop so far this shit has been a stale shit sandwich secondly from a lyrical standpoint Tupac was ONE of the weakest rappers ever, you notice I didnt say wack because his strictly for my niggas cd was a classic, al his other cd’s were as Bol would say were shitty.

  • jacquez

    some good points and some bad ones

    http://www.myspace.com/southcrak

    go listen

  • John Brown

    Bol,

    Did you and Billy get into a fight, because you just shitted on his 3 most fav. rappers. Devin, Sean and J.O. Bol vs Sunday round 1

  • sATaLyte

    Agree with everything except for Houston Rap sucking.

    It’s not tearing up the globe but most Texas artists(minus Mike Jones) are still doing their thing.

    Granted I have a biased opinion because I love the music, Houston Hip Hop seems to be consistently churning out listenable, good quality, rider music.

    Not the most innovative, but definitely good and consistant.

  • KLETEWOOD

    The Perseverance in the Face of Reason Award….Presented to something hardly anyone likes, which keeps getting shoved in our faces

    Winner: The hyphy movement

    ATLEAST THE BAY HAS A MOVEMEN! The ONLY reason why it keeps getting shoved into the rest of the regions faces is because Every other region CAN’T COME UP WITH A MOVEMENT. OR….BETTER YET>>NOBODY HAS THE FOLLOWING LIKE THE BAY.

    rap album of the half year: TURF TALK…WEST COAST VACCINE. STRAIGHT FIRE.

  • havoc

    Finally, some truth. tired of bullshit in rap over who’s hot when they not. good lookin’ out bol

  • havoc

    I forgot, that “Hip Hop Police” track from Cham and slick rick is crazy as fuck, you know he’s back for round two. not only that, but he’s gonna put out mixtape messiah 3 and a dvd for free download.

  • http://blogs.hiphopdx.com/meka Meka Soul

    >Yeah, i just make stuff up…>

    and exactly where does it say 2pac is the worst rapper ever?

    i call shenanigans on TPAR.

  • The Spaniard

    Ah yes. Another day, another chance to expose Bol for the race traitor and pathetic music critic that he is (he’s also fat!). Bol says Tupac is the worst rapper ever and here’s the previous post to prove he said it…except the old post doesn’t really say that at all. No matter, he was thinking it. You can infer that he thinks he is the worst ever because he says his albums were shit sandwiches (they are).

    I love this crowd! Please, take my wife!

  • grapes

    YOOOO…..what award names. LOL The Perseverance in the Face of Reason Award. All I have to say is….GO STUPIDDD, GO DUMB DUMB! GHOSTRIDE THE WHIP! GO E40…The Don’t Believe The Hype CDs can also go in the The No One Gives a Shit Award catagory because they made NO noise outside of XXLMag.Com. Not that I’m saying they weren’t okay…but I swear that XXLMag.Com were the only people really talking about them. Houston Rap is still good…peep that “Hip-Hop Police” isht…it’s alright but def. won’t make as much noise as “Ridin’” because of it’s less-catchy-ness. I don’t really give a crap about T.I., because he spits nice frequently, so I’m not too worried bout this next project. El-P also falls under The No One Gives a Shit Award. As a matter of fact, all rappers fall under that catagory, like Huey, Lil’ Mama, and Timbaland. REAL MCs like KRS-One and Pharoahe Monch deserve the Best Album of the Half-Year award. This second half better be better than the first, because Kanye and Common is comin’!

    All in all, Bol wasn’t too off. Yet he def. wasn’t on point.

  • Big Ry

    I agree with Bol on the Tupac thing.You can’t deny the mans legend,but his lyrics were not on point,infact,they were really basic.Seriously,how many songs did he rhyme Hennesey and Enimies? a hellof alot.Houston rap came and went faster than any region ever.In 2005 you couldn’t escape that shit(grillz,candy paint,rims,drank)and now nothing.But don’t hate Joell Ortiz,dude is sick.

  • ddubbzz

    Ha ha, that TI vs TIP joint was horrible, i downloaded it the other day…man…that song with Jay is like the only hot joint on there…but yea..funny post bol

  • Lethal Lyrics Born

    bol is fuckin crazy pharoahe monch’s desire is crazy! and i heard some tracks off talib’s new album and it was bananas! so bol shut up on your album reviews and wait till eardrum drops!

  • A Bay Bay

    No love for Marco Polo or Jazzy Jeff?

    Oh yeah 1st biyatches.

  • Ryan

    I love how people say stupid shit like “How can El-P be tha hip hop album of tha year wut iz u stoopid i aint eva herd dis album” and expect to be taken seriously. The new El-P joint is innovative and takes chances that most emcees wouldn’t dream of taking. I know it’s a “critics” album or whatever, but good music is good music regardless of whether or not someone has “heard of it” or not. Take the time to possibly check it out before you bash it.

  • T.R.E.Y.

    i dunno Bol, between you liking Music to Kill Yourself To and Noz liking D4L i got a feeling i’m gonna pick up this T.I. joint and it’s gonna end up way better than everyone’s saying.

  • http://www.myspace.com/larrybrite Larry Brite

    W.O.W.

  • pileofshirt69

    Good looks on giving El-P the album of the year.

    I’m surprised so many people are upset that you mentioned some they haven’t heard of, and that their ig’nantz is somehow your fault.

    “FUCK YOU BOL! I ONLY WANT TO HEAR MY OPINION OVER AND OVER AGAIN FROM PEOPLE WHO AREN’T ME TO AFFIRM MY OWN VALIDITY! ASSHOLE!”

  • Purple Hulk

    Devin the Dude had a good album, his albums are always great. Joell ortiz’s album was ok. I agree with the sean price one being wack though

  • Mas

    Bol,
    if el-p is one good album, what are the other 2 or3?

  • VLsteve

    south sucks

  • rec

    hey ! you said that he said he was the worst ever, i wanna see the quote about what you said that he said!

  • selassiepower

    bol = uncle tom

  • yeahright

    The Spaniard Says:

    July 2nd, 2007 at 3:37 pm
    Ah yes. Another day, another chance to expose Bol for the race traitor and pathetic music critic that he is (he’s also fat!). Bol says Tupac is the worst rapper ever and here’s the previous post to prove he said it…except the old post doesn’t really say that at all. No matter, he was thinking it. You can infer that he thinks he is the worst ever because he says his albums were shit sandwiches (they are).

    -Spaniard,

    and you come on here everyday and comment on TPAR’s comments…interesting contradiction.

  • Stonyman

    WTF I am still pissed you haven’t said shit about THE BEST album to be leaked this year which would be the Talib – Ear Drum album. The advance version has all the songs the retail is going to pop.

    And if I hear one more bad thing about the TI album I am going to DIAF. It is an awesome album that shows a different style of making an album. Y’all are just used to the shit sandwich “single” albums other muthafuckers are putting out.

  • lo k

    damn homie… you really think the Sean P album was that bad?

  • Tyler

    U left off 2 huge shit sandwiches with extra shit sauce because U guys have been riding these dudes dicks way 2 hard, 4 way 2 long. . no homo. And the winners U missed are? . . Drum Roll please. . . Boom! Bam! . . Timbaland & the album Shock Value along with Jay Z and whateva’ his album was called. Both Double Wack with no chesse.
    BoL, U need 2 peep this music found at SolutionsGlobalMedia.com aka SGM7.com because Rolling Stone says, “It’s Great 4 Friction Dancing and is proven 2 help U lose weight.”
    Step your Game up, cuz’ & hate it or love it, Tell a Friend.

  • LOL

    LMAO@EL-P

    that shit wasnt even hiphop. Duke did what every white rapper whos embarasses of making black music does.

    He made a rock/alternative album.

    BOL u live in the burbs nigga.

  • ri067953

    Yo, it’s hot outside but while I am sip my Gal (Gin and Lemonade) I contemplate why the South is on top right now. Two words: BANGING BEATS! Name any New York or even Cali artist that you can bang out your speakers to right now? No one wants to bang Papoose or Saigon out of their ‘burban while scooping up breezies in the mall parking lot. We all know that chicks love when they hear the bass banging up the street and the vibration when you pull up to the curb to holla at them. Once I finish my drank I think I’ll go and bend some corners while banging some Boosie or something, isnt that what hip-hop is about? Word to LL! Peace out!

  • C.Rob

    yeah King and Ti vs Tip are pretty garbage! real talk, anybody who has listened to his earlier stuff can easily see the drop off…..

  • rap is for kids

    i agree with you here, bol, but hyphy is good shit. obviously on any mixtape its gonna be 70% junk (90 if ur a “connoisseur”), but those dudes make some real slammin tunes.

    the federation, wolfpack, the dilligentz’ “punk rock”, and of coure, undeniably one of the greats, E-40 *(okay he’s not hypy, whatever), and producers like Rick Rock, Traxamillion are killing it on the beats!

    and i’m all for bringing the golden age back, but if you can’t keep with the hip-hop of the youth, you’re just getting old.

  • Ryan

    #
    LOL Says:

    July 2nd, 2007 at 5:18 pm

    LMAO@EL-P

    that shit wasnt even hiphop. Duke did what every white rapper whos embarasses of making black music does.

    He made a rock/alternative album.

    BOL u live in the burbs nigga.

    Just cause he works with artists who aren’t generally hip hop doesn’t make the album a “rock/alternative” album. I think it’s hard to classify, but most of the tracks on there are hip hop tracks, the beats are just not what you’re generally used to hearing.

  • Dude

    Rich Boy, Timmah – The Album

    LOL

  • Moe

    If King was classic than what the f**k was Trap Music (Triple Classic). Man let me pull you jokers coats to something. Dudes best albums are their first (take a 2nd and ponder that). After that the hunger is gone, focus is gone, drive is gone, and you now have so many shows, who gives a f**k. Each album there-after is trying to compete with the first because that is the one that set the bar. For an artist’s best work he/she has to be 1)hungry (trying to get on), 2) his/her back is against the wall 3) something to prove, 4) a combination of the three. All that in between sh** is bullsh**. NOW GIVE ME MY OWN BLOG!!!!!!

  • Dr Flav

    Ri067953, You speaking the truth right there, but they would have to have lived here to understand you, “sippin GAL” huh? Thats whats happenin, but Ill take some Jack Daniels with my Purity lemonade and Im finna bump some Gucci Mane (dont sleep on Chicken Talk mix cd). I was impressed by that Talib Eardrum leak.

  • The Spaniard

    @ yeahright

    What exactly is the contridiction? I haven’t made a single statement about the mere fact the TPAR, or anyone for that matter, is commenting about Bol’s rants daily.

    See, if I had made a comment saying something like “Why are you commenting about Bol’s thoughts? Who cares what you think? You come here and comment to much.” then you would have made a valid point…but that’s not what happened at all. My original point will be clear to anyone who knows how to think logically.

    http://www.m-w.com

    contradiction: a situation in which inherent factors, actions, or propositions are inconsistent or contrary to one another

  • The Spaniard

    By the way, my comments aren’t directed toward any individual poster but I suppose if the shoe fits…then you should start getting dressed for the ball princess.

  • LOL

    Ryan, don’t tell me about, WHAT IM USED TO HEARING CRACKA. I LISTEN TO A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT SHIT OTHER THAN HIPHOP, AND EL-P DID WHAT EVER WHITE RAPPER DOES (EXCEPT EMINEM YET) WHICH IS THEY FEEL THEY HAVE TO BE WHITE AGAIN, SO THEY GO DO SOME FAGGIT ROCK MUSIC.

    EVERLAST, BEASTIE BOYS, SHIT EVEN VANILLA ICE DID IT.

    EL-P LOOKS LIKE A EMO FAG NOW ANYWAYS , DUKE WENT FROM NORTHFACE TO SKIN TIGHT JEANS FUCK THAT FAGGOT.

  • BaYaReA,CA

    hhaaaaaaaaaaa dat shit was funyy,,but very true

  • BaYaReA,CA

    hhaaaaaaaaaaa dat shit was funyy,,but very true

  • BaYaReA,CA

    hhaaaaaaaaaaa dat shit was funyy,,but very true

  • Cuban Link

    Ryan Says:

    July 2nd, 2007 at 2:02 pm
    The El-P album is amazing, most of these people probably have no clue who he is, which is sad.

    ^It would be even sadder considering the 3 or 4 posts this site’s bloggers have dropped on them

    Lol @ Rich Boy, Timmah – The Album, which noone else caught i guess.And Bol, I thought Sean Price’s album was good.Joell Ortiz was good, but got boring and had some whack tracks.Devin tha Dudes album was great when I first bought it, but got boring after awhile, except for What A Job and I Hope I Dont get sick a this

  • Chuck

    I DONT VEN KNOW WHO HALF DEM NIGGAZ IZZZZlol

  • Rich

    SMH no wonder hip-hop sucks rite now, dope albums like Sean Price and Joell Oritz get shitted on smh.

  • chris

    Man yall people are idiots… el-p was aight, and Pac owns, but pac isn’t mentioned anywhere in this mans blog… also, T.I.’s album isn’t bad at all… it’s not great… but its a good listen. And as for the best rap album of the half year, Either The Undisputed Truth by Brother Ali, or Desire by Pharoahe Monch. For all ya’ll who don’t know who these two are, check em out

  • Ryan

    Ryan, don’t tell me about, WHAT IM USED TO HEARING CRACKA. I LISTEN TO A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT SHIT OTHER THAN HIPHOP, AND EL-P DID WHAT EVER WHITE RAPPER DOES (EXCEPT EMINEM YET) WHICH IS THEY FEEL THEY HAVE TO BE WHITE AGAIN, SO THEY GO DO SOME FAGGIT ROCK MUSIC.

    EVERLAST, BEASTIE BOYS, SHIT EVEN VANILLA ICE DID IT.

    EL-P LOOKS LIKE A EMO FAG NOW ANYWAYS , DUKE WENT FROM NORTHFACE TO SKIN TIGHT JEANS FUCK THAT FAGGOT.

    Look, I have no excuses for Vanilla Ice or Everlast’s “rock projects” or whatever, V Ice has been out for a while and Everlast’s stuff with La Coka Nostra has been promising. The Beastie Boys started out as a hardcore band so they were just returning to their roots, they’re just versatile. Speaking of which, that’s what El-P is, and he showed it on ISWYD. God forbid a rapper draws upon more influences than just hip hop alone.

    As long as he doesn’t go Limp Bizkit/Kid Rock (or E Town Concrete, or Fury of V, etc.)……

    Speaking of Limp Bizkit, Em did a track with them that was unreleased, and he’s ass buddies with Kid Rock (and did a track with him), he did a song called “Mosh Pit” (which obviously caters to caucasians), toured with Papa Roach, and rapped over “Sweet Home Alabama” in 8 Mile, so he’s milked the “rock” (read:white trash) market.

  • Ryan

    Also, 3 or 4 out of 69 isn’t a very high percentage, I shouldn’t have said “probably” cause most of the posters definitley didn’t know who El-P was. I mean you don’t have to love it, but at least know what it is before you shit on it.

  • Ali

    Young Buck shoulda been in place of TIP….that shit was disappointing as a mutha

  • stoneyisland

    Besides for common, talib and the new camp lo and little brother albums, I aint spending one nickle on any rap albums. Jazzy Jeff’s new joint is blazing, Monch’s new shit is ok, i expected waaaaay better.

  • ty from linden blvd

    #
    Teeb23 Says:

    July 2nd, 2007 at 1:38 pm

    I actually NEED an explanation as to why Toiletbol and Noz think TI vs TIP is so bad???? I’ve been listening to the album for 2 weeks now and I just can’t hear it….. Help on the way

    the streets saying the same shit…i know bootleggers who can’t seem to get rid of that album..in fact i know one dude who is giving em away for free.

  • http://sdf asdf

    besides the EL-P album, i totally agree with everything you said. fuck hyphy.

  • LOL

    RYAN U DUMB FUCK I KNOW WHO EL-P IS I KNOW COMPANY FLOW , ETC ETC. SO GET UR HOLYER THAN THOU ATTITUDE OUTTAHERE. DUKES ALBUM AINT HIPHOP.

    LOL @ RAPPERS NOT HAVIN INFLUENCES OUTSIDE HIPHOP.

    HAVE U HEARD OF SAMPLING DUMBASS.

    DUKE BARELY RAPS. HE PERFORMS A SSXSW AND WARPED TOUR.

    THAT SHIT AINT HIPHOP SON.

    SMH@ PEOPLE AINT HEAR OF EL-P SO IT MUST BE GOOD.

    FUCKOUTTAHERE

  • LOL

    IF MARS VOLTA OR NIN , DID A ALBUM WITH KANYE, JEEZY, TI, AND THE GAME ON IT WOULD IT BE A ROCK/ALTERNATIVE ALBUM? NOPE.

    GET A CLUE.

    THIS DUDE STOPPED MAKIN HIPHOP, JUST LIKE 90% OF THE OTHER SUBURBAN WHITE ‘RAPPERS’.

  • LOL

    AND FUCK THAT LA COKA NOSTRA BS.

    THEY MIGHT AS WEL SHAVE THEIR HEADS AND BURN CROSSES.

    FUCKOUTTAHERE WITH TE TOKEN COLLABS WITH BLACK RAPPERS.

    LIKE IF PPL DONT SEE THE RACIST UNDERTONES IN THEIR WORK.

    BUT HEY, IF EMINEM SIGNED LA COKA NOSTRA , INSTEAD OF SIGNING BLACK RAPPERS ALL THE TIME.

    HE’D PROLLY STILL BE COOL TO WHITE PEOPLE AND GET AIRPLAY ON ALTERNATIVE RADIO STATIONS.

  • Gnarls

    EL-P, def jux, rhymesayers, atmosphere , etc etc = Hiphop for white people who never liked hiphop to begin with.

    Its like back in the day when people who listened to rock musics, token hiphop act to like was Cypress Hill and the Beastie boys.

  • Ryan

    So when Run DMC did a song with Aerosmith (who Eminem sampled), or Anthrax did a song with Public Enemy, or Onyx with Biohazard, did it stop being hip hop? No, it didn’t. You can caps lock me to death or google El-P’s name or LCN or anything I mentioned and try and act like you’re actually familiar, but you’re not, so you get the FUCKOUTTAHERE or whatever. I have no holier than thou attitude, I just think people need to be a little bit more open minded, or actually listen to something (and not just look up random shit about them on the internet to try and convince people that they have a valid argument or actually know what’s going on) before shitting on it. La Coka Nostra has no racist undertones, neither did Non Phixion. I don’t think Immortal Technique would work with biggots.

    Actual caucasians doing real hip hop, check them out: Vinny Paz (Jedi Mind Tricks), Apathy, 7L and Esoteric, La Coka Nostra (yes, real hip hop, withour racist undertones), RA the Rugged Man, Copywrite, Virtuoso. I’ll list more when I think of them, but there are a lot.

    Get a clue.

  • Ryan

    Also, when Jim Jones rocks a skull and crossbones, or “Party Like a Rockstar” plays when your phone rings, or when Lupe or the Pack rap about skateboards (“white people things”), does that cease to be hip hop (and I use the term loosely when talking about the afformentioned artists), or do they get to keep their credibility? Don’t make hip hop such a cut and dry thing, taking chances with what you do can be a good thing.

  • http://www.myglobaloutlet.com Severe

    im listenin to that ti vs tip now..that shit iz hot. wtf is wrong wit yall haters? what else comin out the south is better right now?

  • Purple Hulk

    im listenin to that ti vs tip now..that shit iz hot. wtf is wrong wit yall haters? what else comin out the south is better right now?

    THIS YEAR?
    UGK IS COMING IN A MONTH
    DEVIN THE DUDE
    PASTOR TROY
    AND I THINK K-RINO IS COMING OUT SOON

  • smog

    as i said on bols website, el-p is hispster bullshit,

    For all you half ass rappers talking that out space shit dont ever speak to me when you see me. im about to be on some high school shit punchin bitches in they face just for livin. -prodigy best half year album

  • Purple Hulk

    La Coka Nostra

    HAHA, ONLY PERSON IN THAT THATS EVER BEEN WORTH A SHIT EVER WAS EVERLAST
    I CANT LISTEN TO THEM, THAT HUGE PICTURE THEY HAVE, THEYRE ALL WEARING PENTOGRAM SHIRTS. THEY DONT EVEN DO HIP HOP THOUGH

  • LOL

    RYAN IS A WHITE SUPREMIST HIPHOP.

    WHY DO U EVEN CHECK THIS SITE OUT? U HATE ALL THE HIPHOP THATS ON IT.

    GO TO UNDERGROUNDHIPHOP.COM OR SUMMIN NIKKA.

    IMMORTAL TECHNIQUE IS WACK , AND HES WORK WITH ANYONE.

    LIKE I SAID LA COKA NOSTRA STRATIGICALLY WORK WITH ARTISTS TO HIDE THE CLEAR RACIST UNDERTONES.

    WHY ARE U EVEN TALKING ABOUT SAMPLING ROCK, I SAID THAT ALREADY DUMB ASS. U CLAIMED HIPHOP U HATE SO MUCH SHOULD TAKE INFLUENCES OUTSIDE OF HIPHOP. I ALREADY SAID THEY DO, U JUST PROVED MY POINT LMAO.

    EL-P BARELY RAPS ON HIS ALBUM..DUKE TALKS.

    AND ALL THE CAMEOS ARE ROCK/ALTERNATIVE ARTISTS.

    STICK TO NERDRAP WEBSITES FAGGOT.

    SEE U AT WARPED TOUR NEXT YEAR LMAO.

  • LOL

    Gnarls Says:

    July 3rd, 2007 at 9:44 am

    EL-P, def jux, rhymesayers, atmosphere , etc etc = Hiphop for white people who never liked hiphop to begin with.

    Its like back in the day when people who listened to rock musics, token hiphop act to like was Cypress Hill and the Beastie boys.

    ^^^ TRUE STORY

  • Ryan

    “RYAN IS A WHITE SUPREMIST HIPHOP.”

    You’re a god damn idiot. Haha, it’s funny cause all we’ve ever talked about is El-P, you have no clue what else I like, but yeah I guess I’m a “WHITE SUPREMEST HIP HOP” (which makes no sense to begin with, why would I like hip hop if I was a Nazi).

    The pentagram t shirts are LCN t shirts, they in no way symbolize white supremacy. They talk about things that are touched upon in the metal community (like Satanism) cause they like metal too, but I don’t think they’re Satanists, I’m not sure though.

    I guess Cage, Copywrite and Aesop Rock are all “alternative” acts, yep. They make cameos on the El-P album.

    I wouldn’t have come to this site or buy XXL if I didn’t like a lot of things covered in the magazine, but I also like a lot of things not covered in the mag. I like underground hip hop, yes, but I like a lot of other stuff, I don’t just stick to “what’s hot in tha streetz” or whatever, I like hip hop from all eras and areas. I love the new Prodigy album and I can’t wait for HNIC 2, I want the new UGK album to drop cause Bun B is one of my favorite rappers from down South, and I hate Atmosphere, I think they’re awful. The topic we were discussing was the El-P album. Draw all the conclusions about me you want though, it’s cool, it will just show how ignorant you actually are.

  • Ryan

    I also never claimed that “hip hop I hate should take outside influences”, you said that El-P has too many “alternative” people making guest apperances and I said that lots of hip hop artists have collaborated or sampled music outside of hip hop, I never said every artist should do it. If it’s done correctly (like when El-P did it, or when Alchemist sampled a 90′s alternative rock song for the hook for “Hold You Down”, etc.) it’s great, when it’s done bad or when they do “rock remixes” with just a band playing and dudes rapping over it, I hate it, cause it’s like Limp Bizkit all over again.

  • LOL

    WHEN THEY’RE BLASTIN SAGE FRANCIS IN THE BRONX OR THE HOOD, THEN WE CAN CALL EL-P’S ALBUM WITH MARS VOLTA, CAT POWER AND TRENT REZNOR HIPHOP

    lmao

  • LOL

    didn’t cage say he’s stopped wearing ‘HIPHOP’ clothes. LMAO emo faggot

  • Ryan

    I don’t care what Cage wears or what gets play in the hood, suburbs, countryside or wherever, good hip hop (or any music) is good regardless of where it comes from, and ignorance is ignorance no matter where it comes from or where it’s being played or what message board it’s being posted on.

  • Fernando

    Bol,

    El-P??? Really?? What do you do when you listen to music? oh yeah, you write blogs. It probably helps to listen to non-motivational weird synthesizer crap with lyrics that only make sense after you listen to othem 300 times on peyote.

    The Devin album was good. So was Sean P, which you kind of eluded to. And the Redman album was definitely FIRE. Still hasnt gotten old. Im glad you are taking a dump on TI. King was terrible, yet people felt it HARD (nullus). Ti vs TIP is shaping up to be one of the worst ever, and the energy he spits those 2nd grade rhymes with just looks stupid (see: Big Things Poppin Video).

    I dont recall Hyphy getting shoved in anybodys face. Since Mac Dre is dead, they really have no star power and I havent heard ish about it in months, although people are still going DUMB in the Bay, especially after those G.S Warrior games over Dallas.

    The Turf Talk & Messy Marv albums are sick though. Dont hate.

    Lol at VH1 making Paul Wall go to Sierra Leone! AHAHAHAH HA HAH

  • LOL

    LMAO DUKE UR DUMB , IT TOTALLY MATTERS WHERE THE MUSIC COMES FROM DUMBASS. THE ORIGINS OF THE MUSIC IS OF UTMOST IMPORTANCE. IT’S LIKE SAYIN REGGAE FROM JAMACIA DONT MATTER.

    YOU CAN BE THE BIGGEST REGGAE ARTIST IN JAPAN, BUT IF U AINT HEARD IN OR JAMACIANS AINT FEELIN U THEN IT DOESN’T MATTER. YOU DONT MEAN ANYTHING IN THE HISTORY OF REGGAE.

    I COULD BE THE BEST SALSA ARTIST IN LONDON, BUT IF LATIN AMERICANS AINT FEELIN IT , OR IF I AINT MADE IT IN CUBA ,THEN I DONT MATTER!

    SAME SHIT APPLIES TO HIPHOP.

    KEEP THAT NERD RAP IN THE BURBS, FAGGOT.

  • rar

    CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL

  • Ryan

    Fernando,

    Your usage of punctuation and non caps lock mashing of the keyboard was greatly appreciated. My shrink is going to send you a personal thank you letter. No, really……………

  • LOL

    and being big in williamsburg , dont count. LMAO

  • Ryan

    Ok, than every legit emcee has to come from an urban/”hood” area? You’re even more ignorant than I thought. Street oriented hip hop has to come from an area like that or else it isn’t real. If M.O.P. were raised in the Hamptons than they wouldn’t be legit, very true, but not all hip hop touches on the same type of subject matter. There’s a lot of rappers who rap about different shit, and a lot of them probably don’t come from a “hood” backround, and there’s a lot of “street” emcees that probably are faking it, but they somehow still get credit. So maybe it’s not where you’re from but what you talk about? No, that’s also bullshit. Reggae is a whole different ballgame, but Sublime had touches of Reggae and collaborated with Mad Lion and Bad Brains were a bunch of estranged Rasta men who found punk rock, so again things can cross over and still be legit. I know a lot of my Puerto Rican friends don’t like Reggaeton, but a lot of underaged white girls love to shake their ass in the club and get roofied to it, so your argument doesn’t hold much water.

  • LOL

    IM NOT TALKIN ABOUT SUBJECT MATTER JACKASS. THE PEOPLE . MAN U KNOW NOTHING ABOUT MUSIC. TALK TO A FUCKIN RASTA MAN ABOUT SUBLIME BWAHAHAHAHA , GO TO JAMACIA AND TALK ABOUT SUBLIME, SUBLIME DONT MEAN SHIT TO REGGAES HISTORY DUMB FUCK. HOW IS REAGGE A WHOLE DIFFERENT BALL GAME, DO U EVEN KNOW WHAT HIPHOP STARTED FROM DUMBASS?

    HIPHOP IS ONE OF THE MANY FORMS OF MUSIC TO COME FROM AFRCAN AMERICAN CULTURE, IF U CAN’T SELL TO THOSE PEOPLE THEN U DONT MEAN SHIT TO THE GENRE.

  • LOL

    FACE IT RYAN, YOU’RE A LILY WHITE WHITEDUDE.

    U CAN’T GRASP THIS CONCEPT.

  • LOL

    LMAO @ SUBLIME MEANING SHIT TO REGGAE

  • LOL

    STILL LOLING @ SUBLIME….YEA..THEYRE BLASTIN SUBLIME IN THE STREETS OF KINGSTON HAHAHAHA

  • LOL

    MAD LION WOULD WORK WITH ANYBODY DUKE ITS CALLED A PAY CHECK. WHO GIVES A FUCK ABOUT BAD BRAINS? YEA WHITE PPL. OH AND THE BEASTIE BOYS

  • Ryan

    First of all, just cause something sells a lot doesn’t make it good music. Second, I never said Sublime should mean anything to Rasta Men or whatever, I said that Mad Lion collaborated with them, it was pointing out how genres can collaborate. I know about Lee Scratch Perry, I know what I’m talking about. I may not know everything, but I have a good grasp on the culture and the history.

    Also, most people buying rap albums aren’t African American, it’s mostly suburban white kids eating up those Dipset and T.I. cd’s, do your research. They don’t sell the culture, they sell and image.

  • LOL

    LMAO WHITE PEOPLE ALWAYS SUCK LEE SCRATCH PERRYS DICK..TYPICAL..FUNNY SHIT

    AND MORE WHITE PEOPLE BUY HIPHOP CAUSE THERE ARE MORE WHITE PEOPLE IN THE COUNTRY,

    THE PERCENTAGE OF THE WHITE POULATION WHO LOVE HIPHOP IS FAR LESS THAN THE BLACK POPULATION DUMBASS.

    90% OF BLACK PEOPLE HAVE HIPHOP IN THEIR TOP GENRE.

    DIPSET SOLD TO BLK PPL IN THE HOOD. THEY SOLD MIX TAPES IN THE STREET. THEY DONT SELL MIXTAPES IN TH ESTREETS IN THE BURBS.

    WHITE PEOPLE LISTEN TO OTHER SHIT LIKE ALT ROCK, DANCE TECHNO ETC ETC. Thats why they played eminem on alt rock stations and his sales when thru the roof.

    most black ppls main genres to listen to are hiphop & r&b.

    GET A CLUE.

    DUDE U ARE SUPER WHITE JUST QUIT IT.

    lmao@mad lion.

    mad lion is a nothing reggae artist. ofcourse he’s work with sublime.

  • LOL

    IF U DONT SELL OR APPEAL TO THE PEOPLE WHO STARTED THE MUSIC , YOU DONT MEAN SHIT IN THAT MUSICS HISTORY.

    SUBLIME MEANS NOTHING TO REGGAE,
    SAGE FRANCIS AND EL-P CAN DO EVERY HIPPY ROCK FESTIVAL KNOWN TO MAN, BUT IF THEY DONT MEAN SHIT TO THE PPL THAT MATTER.

    THEY MEAN NOTHING IN HIPHOPS HISTORY.

    FACE IT LILY WHITE RYAN.

  • T.R.E.Y.

    lol@Ryan. you’re tryin’ way too hard here bro.

    “It probably helps to listen to non-motivational weird synthesizer crap with lyrics that only make sense after you listen to othem 300 times on peyote.”

    clizzassic. even if i really can’t see what exactly’s so godawful ’bout either King or this new one.

  • Ryan

    So basically you’re saying that if black people don’t like it, it’s not relevant. I know hip hop was started and will always be rooted in that community, but you have to realize that individuals started that, not an entire race, so an entire race can’t be the judge. You seem to be the judge on me, aka since I’m white my opinion isn’t valid? I think that makes you a racist. You keep throwning my race out there as a factor, and the race of everyone I brought up seems to matter so much, I think you may have a thing against white people.

  • LOL

    RACE AND CULTURE IS COMPLETELY RELEVANT IN THE CREATION OF MUSIC.

    WHETHER ITS
    POLKA – POLISH,
    J-POP – JAPANESE CULTURE.
    SALSA LATINO CULTURE,
    REAGGAE & CALYPSO – CARIBBEAN CULTURE

    BRITPOP, WATEVER ELSE!

    AFRICAN AMERICAN CULTURE HAS CREATED SEVERAL GENRES INCLUDING HIPHOP NOW.

    THE MUSIC COMES FROM THAT CULTURE.

    YOU’RE TOO WHITE TO UNDERSTAND THIS.

    STAY IN SCHOOL KIDDO

  • clarknova

    Hey LOL…WHEN YOU TYPE IN ALL CAPS YOU LOOK LIKE AN ASSHOLE. PS Kill yourself, you stupid, stupid, STUPID fuck.
    And Bol, nice one on El-P, but that Devin is the truth. And as far as I’m concerned Da Drought 3 is better than any of the albums mentioned so far, and it’s not even an album.

  • Ryan

    LOL, you’re too ignorant to understand that it doesn’t matter who makes or enjoys the music that’s made and too racist to even open yourself up to the idea that a “white boy” can have the ability to know about hip hop.

  • Bol is Dumb As A Fuck

    whos gives a fuck about the lyrics when it comes to speaking the real..i dont giva fuck how simple you put the words as long as they making sense…these ole garbage ass ny cats use punchlines and shit and just making noise…it aint got no message…NY Music sucks…just face it. stop trying to talk down on the south because we like to dance and have fun. did anybody complain when kid n play and will smith and all them other guys made dance music? no, so why the fuck is yall complaining about us making club music…aint nobody trying to please yall weak ass NY niggas…what the fuck is a NY..Only thing i heard about NY was they got they ass bombed…thats it. all the regions got soo much dislike towards yall because yall think yall just infamous when really, yall aint shit.

    10 million people in that lil ass piece of land…niggas shoulder to shoulder in that lame ass city…fuck NY…that why NY females love down south and west coast niggas…and i know because i live there for a couple years before going to college in TX…yall niggas is wack.

    only hot act in NY was

    Biggie
    Jay-Z
    Nas
    Big-L
    Big Daddy Kane
    Rakim & Eric B
    Wu-Tang
    Big Pun

    The rest is pure hot garbage and trash and outta stop rapping because the beat selection is horrible and the flow is garbage…Bol try again loser

    Fat sideways sea turtle looking bitch…take off them magnify glasses, look like a strong nerd. bitch ass lil man

  • Alarma

    LOL,

    It’s hard to take your arguments seriously after you wrote, “IMMORTAL TECHNIQUE IS WACK”

  • LOL

    immortal tech = no flow and a fake grizzy voice.

    every song is a conspiracy, BORING.

  • LOL

    TELL JAMACIANS THAT IT DOESNT MATTER IF THEY MAKE THIER MUSIC. DUMBASS

  • LOL

    TELL EAST INDIANS IT DOESNT MATTER WHO MAKES BHANGRA

  • LOL

    WHITE PPL ALWAYS TRY TO COME WITH THAT ‘WE ARE THE WORLD’ BULLSHIT , WHEN THEY WANNA HOP ON BLACK STYLES AND TRENDS.

    FUNNY HOW IN EVERY OTHER WALK OF LIFE RACE MATTERS THO..

  • LOL

    AND IMMORTAL TECH IS A SPIC THAT SCREAM NIGGA EVERY SECOND WORD, FUCK THAT DUDE.

    I KNOW HOW LATINOS TREAT THE BLACK PEOPLE IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY LIKE SHIT TOO.

    I DONT NEED HIS FAKE CONCERN. FUCK THAT HORSE TOOTHED BEANER

  • Ryan

    Ha, at least my racist suspicions are confirmed. Get fucked LOL, you’re argument lost what little credibility it had.

  • http://www.google.com RicStilla

    Write about something else moron. You are not a rap fan so stay away from it. You know nothing of what you speak and its getting real old. I know for sure you did not listen to the Devin the Dude album, you’re just sour and a bitch.

  • http://slamonline.com Ben Osborne

    Totally agree with Byron on Red Gone Wild. And El-P, for that matter. Good sh**.

  • HOMOTHUG

    Hip Hop Iz Dead may still be album of the year…2008 iz going to have to mark a return to realness..I think Graduation is the beginning of that…even though Ti vs Tip aint a Hip hop classic..its better than MIMS,Rich Boy and the Shop Boyz…goodbye ’07 and good riddence..lol