Big Things Flopping…

Well, the first week results are in for the latest T.I. album and it looks like the diminutive trap rapper has a bonafide best seller. With nearly 500K moved in the first week I guess T.I. still knows how to sell that shit. I consider this feat even greater than the total sales of ‘King’ because T.I. didn’t have a feature film to buttress this album. Even though ESPN did give the single ‘Big Things Poppin’ a push, T.I. did all the heavy lifting for this album on his own.

Now that T.I. has firmly established himself as the king of this rap shit I wish he would do a collabo with Kellz. I could see them reigniting that ‘Best Of Both Worlds’ series. I think that between these two you have more split personalities and inner conflict innuendo to make at least a dozen albums. Lord knows that T.I. has enough TRL fans to keep Kellz satisfied. Also, I wish T.I. would wear a mask or some other shit that clearly identified the TIP character. Or is it the T.I. character? Whatever.

Back at the ranch it’s all carte blanche. If units of ‘T.I. vs. TIP’ continue to move this well T.I. may end up being the big money earner for the third quarter cRap Music Fantasy League. The good news for rap music is that you can still sell an album if there are some fans out there feeling your style (read: white kids). This bodes well for both Fisty Scent and Khanghey as they prepare for their autumn album releases. Nobody runs the suburbs like these two clowns. I’ve wondered sometimes if they’re the same person. Have they ever been in the same room at the same time? It’s like they’re fraternal twins. One is a hyper-violent Black male caricature, while the other is a hyper-emo Black male mannequin. Fifty and Ye Tudda should become a duo. They could call themselves The Wonder Twins. How scary good would that be? They would own the Billboard charts for sure.

The glaring fact that T.I.’s success has shown me is that the internets has little to no effect on record sales. Everyone on the ‘nets that I trust as tastemakers has said that the T.I. album lacked the pop and focus of his previous projects. It was described as a lazy effort from the Lilliputian rapper on top of a somewhat clichéd concept. Some folks said that the album wasn’t even worth downloading… Illegally! Looks to me like there were a whole lot of people that didn’t get the ‘T.I. vs. TIP sucks ass’ memo. I’m not surprised either since half the country reportedly voted for George Bush too. So while good albums like Joell Ortiz’ ‘Bodega Chronicles’ and ‘Red Gone Wild’ languish on the store shelves less acclaimed releases move units.

Maybe that’s the answer now for Kanye and Curtis to ring up some success at the sales counter… Make a shitty album that the internets hates.

  • outda954

    First! And I like the new T.I. album. I’m glad it’s sellin’ well.

  • http://www.myspace.com/kobwoiiz1 MaCCMilez

    That T.I. album is just showin that he’s back on his shit .. there’s less content though .. and .. i wouldn’ta put some ah those trackz in the mix but it’s overall platinum n a half statuss ……….. FOR T.I.

    and umm .. the wonder twins ?? .. i think not !! .. lol ..

  • BIG ROB

    I am one of those few who wouldn’t download T.I’s album, legally or illegally.

  • http://myspace.com/brand_new_money412 reddillonaire

    I’ve wondered sometimes if they’re the same person. Have they ever been in the same room at the same time? It’s like they’re fraternal twins. One is a hyper-violent Black male caricature, while the other is a hyper-emo Black male mannequin. Fifty and Ye Tudda should become a duo. They could call themselves The Wonder Twins. How scary good would that be? They would own the Billboard charts for sure.

    ^^ roffl but tru

  • scottyo

    MAN WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU SMOKING THIS ALBUM IS HOT .EXCEPT FOR THAT NELLY JOINT. THEY COULD KEPT THAT ONE.DOPEMAN,HELP ON THE WAY AND HURT ALONE ARE HOTTER THAN ANY JOEL ORTIZ OR REDMAN SONG OUT ON THE BLOCK . YOU TALK ABOUT A LAZY EFFORT. PLEASE. THIS SHIT BANG IN THE HOOD. LETS SEE HOW COMMON ALBUM SELLS. THIS IS A BUSINESS. MAKE EM DANCE = SELL SOME RECORDS.DUMMY

  • scottyo

    OHH YEAH I ALMOST FORGOT FUCK GUCCI MANE

  • Mpho

    well, i’ll be gotdamned.. i guess this is good news for Hip Hop??

  • PRODGIAL SON

    I think it’s more a case of because T.I. has consistently been popular, with sales aswell as style of music, some people were quick to jump on the fact that the latest effort didn’t have that immediate marketability about it, in the sense that, apart from “You Know What It Is”, every other song is not exactly single material. I don’t say this in a bad way, i think its better, so you know that you’re not getting a commercial song just so it can get picked up. In fact, so many of these songs are growers, you keep listening to them and you appreciate the different stories and subjects, and the Ti vs Tip interludes are very good. well that’s my opinion.

  • che

    so basically, what you’re saying is.. you mouthing off about shit on the internet has no point because no one really gives a shit what you say.

    hey, you said it.

  • http://dronkmunk.blogspot.com dronkmunk

    Nullus to the entire title of this post.

  • http://xxlmag.com Billy X. Sunday

    I said it.

    You read it,
    and commented…

  • http://www.plasticsquirtguns.blogspot.com thoreauly77

    monk, stop thinking about dicks so much.

    actually i guess thats my whole anti-no-homo agenda. don’t think about dick and the no-homo thing ceases to be what it is! whatever.

    billy- its true thank the gods that the album has actually moved units. i for one am happy for the guy, but i won’t be involved in the purchasing of the album. i am pretty thankful for the fact that this shit didn’t come accompanied with a pair of rollerskates.

  • T.R.E.Y.

    i’m gonna have to agree with the allcaps yelling and say that this’ll end up better than Common’s new one. and even if it isn’t, with a trapped-in-the-early-’90s single like “The Game” no one’s allowed to complain when Lonnie Lynn doesn’t do KanyeTIFiddy numbers.

  • Content

    >so basically, what you’re saying is.. you mouthing off about shit on the internet has no point because no one really gives a shit what you say.

    hey, you said it.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Yeah, I come on here for a laugh…that’s about it.

    If these guys knew about hip hop or what sells (certainly not mutually exclusive) then they would have graduated by now.

  • John Brown

    “Now that T.I. has firmly established himself as the king of this rap shit I wish he would do a collabo with Kellz.”
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Billy,

    Im guessing that you have “Im a Flirt” on your IPOD?

  • jacquez
  • Moe Real

    You don’t know the meaning of the word diminutive, assface.

  • 1,21,2…anditdon’tstop81

    Lilliputian
    ^^^
    nigga you nuts for dat shit! but naw if he sellin then it’s a good look for all of us in hip-hop and we need to be readin’ his format and stop hatin.

  • that does’nt matter

    first week numbers don’t mean shit rap fans just aint have nothin 2 buy this year i work in a music store only sold 2 this week after sellin 200 last. The album’s shitty nerds.

  • jeff

    T.I. has a big enough name to always put up big numbers the first few weeks. It’s really an issue of staying power and single selection though. I heard the album and I was more unimpressed with this album than I was with King. What U Know was extremely dope, but he didn’t have anymore singles with the same strength (Why U Wanna, Live In The Sky, etc). King didn’t even hit double. That’s a representation of how sub-par his shit is, and that’s shameful being as red as he is and getting massive amounts of exposure. He has that quick fix crack rock music. He is creatine instead of protein. All big and shit, but no real power. This new album, I heard songs that were aight at best..but the fact that he collabed with Em, Jay and Nelly and none of those songs are worthy of being great singles will catch up with him in the long run. T.I. can always drop a popular song, but I can never see him dropping a smash (i.e. 50, Nelly, etc.). Kanye won’t even need a smash to sell more records than him. Kanye will go double just because at this point, even if his album sucks. Kanye’s first week may not be as big as T.I.’s, but bank of the fact that if he has some decent shit on his album, you can count on it still moving 65K weekly 1 1/2 months after its release.

  • kt

    hiphop hoorraaayyy

  • BirdsFlySouth

    King didn’t even hit double. That’s a representation of how sub-par his shit is, and that’s shameful being as red as he is and getting massive amounts of exposure.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Nobody has sold 2 million in the last year. Not even Jay Z.

  • DirtDoggy

    I’m guessing the 500k purchased were by females under 15yo, suburban college white boys and some dirty south retards. Still doesn’t mean it’s a hot album, I can find a bum on the street with more skillz, this is why hip-hops on life support everyone thinks your better if you sell, none of these fucks care, they all sell out in the end.

  • 360 Bars

    Nobody has sold 2 million in the last year. Not even Jay Z

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Akon sold 2 mil, Beyonce sold 2 mil, Justin Timberlake sold 3 mil

  • Back Once Again

    Fuck T.I. That album sucked balls. I dont give a fuck if he sells, hes a liar and a fake. So I guess that makes him your twin huh, fat fuck? LOL.

  • DANJA29

    so this proves that what niccas say on the internet matters not a bit to anyone who doesn’t read blogs… I remember about a month ago when Bol said ‘Big Things Poppin’ was a flop of a single and things weren’t lookin’ good for Clifford. Apparently, it just took a minute for that song to make impact and things are lookin’ better for Clifford than any of us thought. Hmmm…

    Not to say this is a great album or anything, but it proves how much us keyboard warriors and our opinions and predictions matter. That said, I’m predicting Fiddy might not flop after all.

  • brebre

    MAN, I TOLD YA. HIP-HOP FANS HATE THIS ALBUM AND IT IS SURE WEAKER THAN “KING” BUT IT DON’T MATTER. NOW THAT HE’S GOT A BROADER AUDIENCE, NOT JUST RAP FANS, COPPIN HIS ALBUMS, T.I VS. T.I.P GON OUTSELL. YEAH, SUBURBAN WHITE KIDS BLAH BLAH BLAH. BUT IT’S JUST HIM TAKING HIS GAME TO THE NEXT LEVEL. 2PAC, BIGGIE, JAY AND EVEN 50, THEY ALL HAVE REACHED “WHITE KIDS” TO CERTIFY THEIR STATUS. MAKE THEMSELVES HOUSEHOLD NAMES. KNOW WHAT IM SAYIN. AND U CAN’T HATE HIM FOR THAT.

  • jeff

    jay-z’s kingdom come was sub-par also. it sold 680 k the first week off the strength of him being Jay Z, not off the strength of it being a great album. I don’t know if this is relevant to you, but I am a producer. I will remain anonymous at this point because nothing I have laid has churned out anymore than 300,000 copies…but the one thing I can tell you about these newer albums these days is that they are created to be sold and not to be good. with the priorities being in reverse order, i think you could see much better numbers in the future. Part of my whole failure ultimately is my inability to be able to be in the studio with an artist and create a song. I have to email like 30 mp3s to them, they choose what they want…and then maybe about 5 to 6 months down the line, they write their own shit to it and it does what it does. What if I had a better idea for a hook or content? It’s too much of a gamble for artists to only hook up at awards shows and parties. They need to hook up in that lab for a couple of days, or book a few weeks out of the year to churn shit out with one another. Basically, this rap and r&b shit is such a hustle nowadays…nobody has time to be in the lab together and co-write and co-produce. Do not be surprised if T.I. and his producers and guest vocalists recorder their verses at different times and at different places. It makes a huge difference. I am in no way some kinda musical purist, but your better shit comes when all parties involved with creating something are present. You can’t go to heaven without dying. Ultimately, the consumer is not going to let you cheat them out of their money. Numbers don’t actually speak the truth until months and years down the line. In this game now, you got fiscal years, quarters, etc..all this bullshit that doesn’t mean anything in regards to the quality of the music. T.I. just dropped King last year, so he felt the need to drop something else to remain relevant. that’s the problem. after dmx dropped two multi-platinum albums the same year, that became the format for many others. T.I. more than likely dropped a concept album because he probably couldnt really be creative enough to make some classic shit within a year’s time. I don’t think anyone could. TI vs. TIP is more of an easy buck than a great album. But T.I. knows he must come tight the next time around, because if not…it will be the beginning of the end. Ask 50 Cent.

  • 360 Bars

    360 Bars Says:

    July 11th, 2007 at 9:03 am
    Nobody has sold 2 million in the last year. Not even Jay Z

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Akon sold 2 mil, Beyonce sold 2 mil, Justin Timberlake sold 3 mil
    ^^^
    Oh you were talkin about rappers. My dumbass shoulda known that, but I was busy trying to decide if Billy weighs 3 or 4 hundred pounds. Hmmmmmm….

  • http://www.richarte.blogspot.com Rich Arte

    good post.

  • EReal

    I didnt know the numbers were released.

    Prolly 500K Shipped, lol. I dont know how da fuck he could scan 500K with that piece o shit.*SMH*

    Im with you on this one BXS, its a damn shame.

    1 hunned.

  • John Brown

    “Nobody runs the suburbs like these two clowns (50 & Kanye).”
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Yo Billy, what bout me John Brown. I am THE KING OF THE BURBS, can’t I get a lil love (no homo).

  • jeff

    BIRDSFLYSOUTH,
    Jay-Z’s Kingdom Come was subpar also. Jay-Z’s name was big enough to help him move 680 k the first week, but the album was too average to do anything better than what it did. I feel the same way about T.I.’s album. I am in no way some kind of journalist or hip-hop quaker/puritan..but I am a producer in this game. I will remain anonymous because nothing I’ve done has churned out any more than 250,000 copies..but it’s largely my own fault. The problem with these albums is that these artists are only going to get back what they put into them (product wise). Artists and producers don’t even see each other. Instead of going to the studio with one another and trying to establish some kind of musical vibe between one another, I am asked to email mp3s of maybe like 30 or 40 joints. They choose the joints they like and just do whatever they are going to do with them. I get the check, royalities, etc. and that’s it. The only creative input was that I laid the track that they decided to use 5 or 6 months down the line. All parties involved with making a track do it on their own time and at their own places. On top of that, with all of these quarters, fiscal years, etc..artists are putting more emphasis on meeting deadlines and branding their shit more than it being about them having some great material. T.I.’s album is supposed to be hot simply for the fact that he is T.I.. That’s what he and his label are thinking. They think quick money. This album was only released a year after his last. Man, it takes way more than a year to put something incredible out. Scheduling conflicts with folks you want to work with are most def going to happen, but it’s really a matter of getting the necessary time and experience to put some timeless shit together. Off the Wall and Thriller was 3 years apart, and I know for sure Mike, Quincy, and Rod Temperton were in the lab together. T.I. knows that he can laugh all the way to the bank for right now, but all he has done is put himself in a make or break type of situation for his next album. This album was a quick fix for the public so that he could remain relevant and still be asked to endorse certain products and be in certain films. He’s trying to make a much loot possible, and I will never hate on him for that…but musically, his chart life will be his shelf life. Numbers don’t speak the truth the first week, they only speak the truth months and years down the line.

  • bizzle

    Jay-z’s kingdom come has sold 2 million..get your facts straight dummies look it up..this new ti album is garbage stop lowering your standards for this crap..what happened to the days when you had to have skills to get on?

  • Atl’s own

    The album is Fie with the exception of a couple of duds, Nelly song included. but it leaps and bounds ahead of any other album this year.

    and as far as Joel Ortes or wateva; won’t sell because just like northern niccaz is bias Southerns are too, and most wouldn’t buy that shit, even if it had a dime bag in every album. in fact lookin at up top sales i’d say the entire U.S. including niccaz in NY is bias against NYers(with the exception of Jay and 50).

    oh and F#$% web critics, you’re right; no one in there right mind would listen to them lames. If you really want to know whatz gone be hot (in terms of sales) go out and ask your local teens.

  • Detroit P

    I’m happy i’m gettin points on cRap

  • http://www.xxlmag.com/?p=11274 jay

    lets look at the bigger picture!!! HIP HOP JUST SCORED!!!! whens the last time a rapper has sold a gold status album without it taking 3-4 months to accomplish..besides jay-z..This is a hiphop blessing..i dont bang T.I i dont got any of his albums and i dont plan on buyin this 1 ill bootleg it or sumshit if i even want it..im not to much into him.. but he sold over 500k first fuckin week.. im lookin at the bigger picture HIPHOP JUST MADE A HUGE SCORE!!

  • http://xxl Cal

    You know what homies? Even if this album sucked puppy nuts it is a blessing. Motherfuckers do you know how crucial it is right now to have a platinum album out. I swear even if Ja put out an album and it went 5x platinum i’d celebrate. Shit is tight and we need those sales up and it gives promise to Fif and all!

  • http://sdf asdf

    one of the most disappointing albums….EVAR

  • Around and Around

    Cal Says:

    July 11th, 2007 at 11:17 am
    You know what homies? Even if this album sucked puppy nuts it is a blessing. Motherfuckers do you know how crucial it is right now to have a platinum album out. I swear even if Ja put out an album and it went 5x platinum i’d celebrate. Shit is tight and we need those sales up and it gives promise to Fif and all!
    —————–
    Why is it so ‘crucial’ a platinum album comes out….unless you’re involved in the album it affects you in no way.

    I’d rather hear quality shit, than some garbage ass album just b/c it went platinum.

    “so if your message ain’t shit, fuck the records you sold cuz if you go platinum, it’s got nothing to do with luck it just means that a million people are stupid ass fuck” Immortal Technique

  • jeff

    do people have stock invested in t.i.’s album or something? him selling 470,000 seems like it’s about to make a lot of blog responders rich.

  • Hannah Smith

    “The glaring fact that T.I.’s success has shown me is that the internets has little to no effect on record sales.”

    When did anyone seriously think that the internet – that haven of free downloads – helped records sell?!

    Either way though, stop talking abotu sales – it’s boring, matters nada to the quality of a record, and menas that idiots who buy into this numbers crap pass over something like Joell Ortiz’s album.

    Wake up and care about the music, clowns.

  • smog

    yeah it goes to show that you cant stop people from buying an album but that doesnt mean that you should give up on putting people on to stuff, trying to convince someone that they dont like something is way harder then convincing them that they might like it and that they should try it. For example Joell Ortiz, that guy is defintetly getting some good press of you guys.

  • BigMike

    Rap doesn’t sell like it used to because everybody raps about the same ‘ol shit. People tired of hearin bout the same shit over and over. All you really getting is new beats…the lyrics are all the same. These youngstas just want to get the “hot singles” so they can put them on they i-pod or ringtone. That’s why the South is doing good these days because they just make singles, not albums, so they songs get played on these candy ass radio stations and TV all day long. No originality left.

    Common, Outkast, Dre, Raekwon, Kanye and Bishop Lamont need to drop so we get some original, creative and quality shit back.

  • frikas

    i really dont care about that ti album….im really tired of listening to his two character shit ….im waitng for that curtis shit…..ohh yea certified diamond!!!!!!!!!!

  • dub

    lol, all you hatin’ ass biased east coast cats can get the bozack. southern artists are still holding down the crown for yet another summer.

  • http://eternallydamned.wordpress.com ThingAlec

    I told Bol this on his latest post.

    On T.I. Vs. T.I.P., T.I. did nothing new. But if Urban Legend (which i find as a bigger POS) and King never came out. This album would be hailed in the same way they were.

    Lyrics:
    King>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>T.I. Vs. T.I.P.

    Beats:
    T.I. Vs. T.I.P.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>King

    I think the hip-hop industry would be better off is T.I. just released an instrumental album.

    And hey T.I. Vs. T.I.P. isnt as bad as other albums that have come out, MIMS, Rich Boy, Da Shop Boyz, and plenty others.

  • sexy sades

    TI has herpies around his lips and whats up with BG album? Has anyone heard anything about this. Kuntry sucks,Young Dro is confused..his wife is gross. So besides himself they better pray to god he pops BG off.Also im sure the record label bought have those cd’s..wyclef is corny. New Orleans stand up!

  • Ace

    can rappers stop bullshitting and put out a decent album. Clifford’s new junt isn’t hot. Period. The internet doesn’t matter; it’s all about those white kids in the burbs since they buy all this shit. Yo, white kids, stop supporting shitty rappers. Y’all are why everyone’s fucking pissed about rap.

  • these posts are racist

    Fake intellectuals are bad for the game/
    They lame/
    Hating on a brotha making change/
    Instead of making change/
    They’d rather speak in vain/
    And rejoice when they see other people in pain/
    Spitting what they hear, watching fox news/
    They hate on Muslims in their posts cuz its easy to do/
    Instead of critical thinking they rather shock and awe/
    Not really understanding what it means to be shocked and awed/
    But awe damn, my comments are probably not worth/
    The time that i take to write, and it hurts/
    To see young black males with a medium that could change/
    Rejoice and write about other people’s pain/
    Billy and BOL two clowns in a pod/
    Far from being Slick Rick, but their ignorance makes me say “Oh…oh my God”/

  • Around and Around

    these posts are racist Says:

    July 11th, 2007 at 3:27 pm
    Fake intellectuals are bad for the game/
    They lame/
    Hating on a brotha making change/
    Instead of making change/
    They’d rather speak in vain/
    And rejoice when they see other people in pain/
    Spitting what they hear, watching fox news/
    They hate on Muslims in their posts cuz its easy to do/
    Instead of critical thinking they rather shock and awe/
    Not really understanding what it means to be shocked and awed/
    But awe damn, my comments are probably not worth/
    The time that i take to write, and it hurts/
    To see young black males with a medium that could change/
    Rejoice and write about other people’s pain/
    Billy and BOL two clowns in a pod/
    Far from being Slick Rick, but their ignorance makes me say “Oh…oh my God”/
    ————–

    Dipset bitch!

  • babyboy

    I am one of those few who wouldn’t download T.I’s album, legally or illegally..
    Co sign

  • KING BLAIR

    i illegally downloaded the album and brought it i fucks wit that joint specially the last song, but niggas need to go BUY THAT PASTOR TROY ALBUM AND TIP JOINT

  • SunnySideHoustonTexas

    So while good albums like Joell Ortiz’ ‘Bodega Chronicles’ and ‘Red Gone Wild’ languish on the store shelves less acclaimed releases move units.

    Man it’s really simple in the South for real…if yo shit dont bump in the trunk it’s gets no play…Guys like Redman Joe O, Talib, Papoose, Whoever ever else that you so called bloggers claim make real hip hop music, those guys have great lyrics but……..
    theylose us n da south with that hippity hoppity non 808 drumbeats golden age of hip hop recycled way of thinking & making music…T.I spit some real shyt botton line I can relate to a nikka on sum street shit…East coast rappers lack swagger…jay and 50 are about the only two…the rest is wack…I dont want hear shYt about a bodega or sum corny punchlines accompanied buy subway beats ,when I’m rollin in my Jag blowing a cigarillo….I wanna hear T.I Goodlife or anything by Fat Pat cuz that shyt soundz….
    playa and it makes you feel good while you rolling …I’m not trying to hear Nas spit Rewind where he ryhmes a story backwards…i’m not
    trying to educate myself thru rap music….I JUST LISTEN TO IT FOR ENJOYMENT….that’s why the south is winning because we know that..most people who buy rap music (women and whites)just want that beat a tight hook…and something they can relate to…if i wanna educate myself on science I’ll read a Science Digest …not wait for a Papoose album so he can “drop science” …rappers are egotistical idiots…
    just enjoy them for what they are..

  • http://myspace.com/k0nfidence k0nfidence

    once again, i try to read a billy x. post and i have to stop after the second paragraph because he is so sporadic with his writing. let me show you something

    1.) I don’t care how many times it goes platinum, TI vs TIP is a shitty album.

    2.) Maybe we forgot about how the “King” album did, first weed sales were huge, then huge declines.

    3.) The only reason TI sold so much is because he is TI, and since its mainly ignorant black people and 14 year old girls buying cds these days, we don’t have too many intelligent people buying cds these days. the smart people just download shit like this and buy the good albums…or at least that’s what they should do.

    4.) King wasn’t great, but it wasn’t bad. Compared to TI vs. TIP, king looks like illmatic, and that’s sad.

    formula for selling records

    big name + shitty production + average-above average rapping + good previous cd= 500k 1st week units. i’m out

  • http://xxlmag.com Billy X. Sunday

    SunnySide,
    It’s my opinion that the people that listen to rap music merely to be entertained and and don’t consume art to be enlightened and challenged are the cowards that occupy the majority of this country.

    So it’s no difficult strecth for record companies to push artists that are basic entertainers, clowns, if you will, because they understand that the listening public is scared to think outside of their box and would rather lay down on a pillow than challenge the status quo.

    Your no different than the majority of this country that will trade their freedoms, rights, and civil liberties for a sense of security.

    You are a coward. Enjoy your cigarillo.

  • dolo

    Vanilla ice >> tpar
    Stick to whinin and bytchin in regular text not rhyming .. Quit crying about muslim JOkES …

    I am surpised TI sold as much as he did .. But I think the TIs at atlantic shipped said amount to cloud the reality of ish not really selling .. But I am still surprised ..

  • T.R.E.Y.

    lol

  • Around and Around

    Around and Around Says:

    July 11th, 2007 at 3:31 pm
    these posts are racist Says:

    July 11th, 2007 at 3:27 pm
    Fake intellectuals are bad for the game/
    They lame/
    Hating on a brotha making change/
    Instead of making change/
    They’d rather speak in vain/
    And rejoice when they see other people in pain/
    Spitting what they hear, watching fox news/
    They hate on Muslims in their posts cuz its easy to do/
    Instead of critical thinking they rather shock and awe/
    Not really understanding what it means to be shocked and awed/
    But awe damn, my comments are probably not worth/
    The time that i take to write, and it hurts/
    To see young black males with a medium that could change/
    Rejoice and write about other people’s pain/
    Billy and BOL two clowns in a pod/
    Far from being Slick Rick, but their ignorance makes me say “Oh…oh my God”/
    ————–

    Dipset bitch!
    —————

    that wasn’t me, actually I thought that was tight.

  • these posts are racist

    DOLO-

    Stick to thinking deeply about T.I.’s record sales and don’t worry about what I do. You ignorant clown.

  • these posts are racist

    “You are a coward. Enjoy your cigarillo.”

    Billy,

    You spend paragraph after paragraph using insults and vague cliches to argue. Why don’t you actually try arguing, by defending or refuting a position based on fact and logic?

  • che

    billy you get eaten alive on your own blog. no one respects you, no one values what you say, you’re just that ignorant nigga that is nothing more than bol’s sidekick that we all laugh at.

    you repeat some of bol’s verbiage, copy his ‘I’m ignorant hence cool’ style and consider yourself a journalist!

    wake up to the real world, you’re a small time writer for a magazine’s website, not even the magazine. you’re girl fucked some other dude who was in advertising. she left you for a random fuck. what does that make you billy? Nothing.

  • these posts are racist

    I don’t bust nines like a no-brain actor/
    I do bust rhymes at you no-name bastards/
    I don’t snort lines like a cocaine rapper/
    But i do read books, cuz its the knowledge i’m after/
    After I spit a rhyme, noone will go after/
    Like lil cease to biggie, RIP one of the greatest rappers/

    These racist cats, ain’t facing facts/
    They watch faux news and trace it back/
    They think they lacin’ cats with priceless jewels,
    Well you fools, we want our payment back/
    I ain’t playing black/ i’m demanding that/
    Those who use our culture, stop hanging that!/

    Corporations run our lives more than our elected congress/
    Stare the truth in its eyes and I guarantee it will make you vomit/
    A greedy man would sell you the rope he is to be hung by, if it meant he’d make a profit/
    That’s why Hip Hop is dying! Its been hijacked, yes, but we keep ourselves hostage!/

    I ain’t trippin, but if you listen, and stop dismissin/ what i’m saying as just bitchin’/
    Perhaps you would understand what i’m saying and we could start using hip hop as our kitchen/
    To cook up the truth that will set us free/
    Read, learn and think and simply be.

  • http://www.myspace.com/sinistahmoneybagz Sinistah aka Sin Piffcaso

    yeah it kinda got me bewildered as well as far as T.I.’s sales in comparison to the actual quality of the album.

    fuck it i’m prrobably one of the 10 people i know in the real world who know about Joel Ortiz let alone copped his shit, and i copped Red’s shit as well ever since i felt guilty of stealing his debut out of the old Woolworths on Broad and Market as a young 12yr old evolving weed-head who was hooked on Hip-Hop as far back as i can remember.

  • Mr. Whats beef

    it doesnt matter what coast your from, i listened to every track on itunes, you would think within a 30 sec preview you would hear good shit. T.I’s new album is garbage, he does worser and worser every album, Im Serious and trap muzik were pure fire. but urban legend and so on hell no, 2 aight singles and a lack luster album dont make it platinum, or does is? we soon will find out

  • http://xxlmag.com Billy X. Sunday

    TPAR says, “You spend paragraph after paragraph using insults and vague cliches to argue. Why don’t you actually try arguing, by defending or refuting a position based on fact and logic? ”

    Vague cliche?!? WTF!!??!! If an idea or expression is cliche then that says that it’s meaning is well understood because the expression is oft repeated. So how can that be vague?

    Don’t tell me that you are one of those porch monkeys that likes playing with his momma’s ESL thesaurus?

    My logic is too ill.

    You stay losin’ bitch.

  • these posts are racist

    The fact that you think using cliche’s as opposed to discussing a specific topic, issue, etc. directly, is a legitimate form of argument speaks volumes about your intelligence (or lack thereof).

    “Don’t tell me that you are one of those porch monkeys that likes playing with his momma’s ESL thesaurus?”

    …and Billy proves my point. Arguing with this ignorant dude is too easy.

  • these posts are racist

    Billy-

    I stay losing? Let’s ask the people who schooled you on your “Africa” post. Come on man, you and I both know I argues circles around you. TPAR vs. Silly Billy, let the people vote.

  • http://xxlmag.com Billy X. Sunday

    What I use are truism’s. That is shit that you can’t even argue with. When I say that dude’s are bitchmade it’s because they are, and deep down inside their heart of hearts they know I’m right. No need for a drawn out debate.

    Like when I say that you are a community college doctorate it’s because you aren’t a true leader. Your’e even worse than a follower too. Your’e the follower that sits in the back of an auditorium during a speech and complains to others that the speaker isn’t moving the crowd. That’s a coward neggar right there. Instead of getting your own soapbox and spreading your own gospel you just follow the leader and bitch while you stand in the back.

    Why did you spend all your momma’s money on getting that quote unquote Ivy League education for if you are only gonna be a complaining coward follower?

    You school me? YOU?!? Neggar please, ain’t nobody but you coming to this website to see your comments.

    Now wipe me down bitch (no Lil’ Wang).

  • these posts are racist

    I schooled you so bad in your “Africa” post that you actually had to re-define Africa by chopping off its entire northern part.

  • Benjamins

    damn internet is full of haters why u fucks gotta always hate on white kids because they got money to buy the cds and u dont TIP IS FIRE XL listen to “raw” “watch what u say to me” and “tellem i said that” straight bangin a few of the TI songs were so so but stop ur hating its the best album out so far this year with young buck cant wait for 50 and kanye. most of u prolly listen to lean with rock with it bullshit and pop lock drop it fag ass shit, i agree that hip hop is dead but TI is straight. jay-z best rapper ever, nas and biggie a close second along with joe budden who in my opinion has put out the best mixtapes ever.

  • these posts are racist

    Billy,

    You can say whatever you want about me. All you or I have to go by is what we write here, correct? And based on what we write here, I schooled you, period. All you do is throw insults based upon a fictional person and attribute those fictional characteristics to me and your ridiculous (very unpersonal) attack with a lame “Sho-uff esqe” insult. Hilarious, son, hilarious.

    Based on the arguments we have here, I school you, consistently.

  • http://xxlmag.com Billy X. Sunday

    You are clownshoes.

    I don’t think you can comprehend shit I write, that’s why your’e always so twisted and confused. Africa and Arabia are both part of the same land mass that connects the gottdamned eastern hemisphere. That was always my realization of Africa. Everything sub-Sahara I consider Africa. The northern coast of the continent is predominantly arab and I consider that region/country Arabia.

    I am teaching you how to look past supremacy’s false borders and imaginary lines, but you are fighting me every inch of the way because your brain can’t wrap itself around my concepts.

    My G is too futuristic for you.

    Now wipe me down bitch(no Al B Sure)

  • ANDREW

    young joc sucks

  • dolo

    TPAR is the king of insults .. didnt you just call me an ignorant clown without even knowing anything about me ?? I said stick to not rhyming because i made an assessment of your rhymes i just didnt hurl an insult at you ..

  • che

    > TPAR vs. Silly Billy

    I vote TPAR.

  • nosnitchin`

    I am teaching you how to look past supremacy’s false borders and imaginary lines, but you are fighting me every inch of the way because your brain can’t wrap itself around my concepts.
    ——-

    that’s retarded as hell, again, with the imaginary lines???? Yes lets wipe all countries off the map, get rid of the UN, it’s not the US & Canada anymore,it’s just tribes and people, no states, no boundries, no gov’t either…..As a mater of fact that boundry that draws your land and house, fuck it billy i’m gonna come take that shit, that’s your supremist boundry…that fuck outta here.

    TPAR-1
    Fake ‘columnist-0

  • around and around

    I am teaching you how to look past supremacy’s false borders and imaginary lines, but you are fighting me every inch of the way because your brain can’t wrap itself around my concepts.
    ——-

    that’s retarded as hell, again, with the imaginary lines???? Yes lets wipe all countries off the map, get rid of the UN, it’s not the US & Canada anymore,it’s just tribes and people, no states, no boundries, no gov’t either…..As a mater of fact that boundry that draws your land and house, fuck it billy i’m gonna come take that shit, that’s your supremist boundry…that fuck outta here.

    TPAR-1
    Bootleg ‘columnist’-0

  • DRIFT

    FUCK GUCCI MANE AND HIS DOWN SYNDROME HAVIN’ FAGGOT ASS

  • Cuban Link

    @ Mpho, lol i know it feels so weird to say

    and @ Billy, lmao good post, but thats exactly why I said a lil while ago Kanye is so popular because of 50.He came around when the 50 Cent craze was in full effect, and Kanye’s style was opposite, a way for people to get a breath from the G-G-G-G-Unit takeover

    if they got together, itd actually prolly make a great CD.

    “Also, I wish T.I. would wear a mask or some other shit that clearly identified the TIP character. Or is it the T.I. character? Whatever.”

    ^Lmao, co-sign though, I can never tell whos who.I thought You Know What it isssss was by TI, but its under the TIP section.

    And I think so many people bought it cuz of hip hop’s condition.I mean, I bought it but Ive listened to it like almost on full time.Its not like anything else is coming out soon, so why not pick it up, he had the best chance at pushing big numbers, and it ended up being the 2nd highest selling hip hop album since his last one

  • Cuban Link

    Damn, TI really is King.Since the beginning of 06, the top selling hip hop albums are (in first week sales):

    T.I.- King
    Jay Z-Kingdom Come
    T.I.-TI Vs TIP

    damn, the boy runs this shit!

  • P-Matik

    Cats sure are brolic behind a keyboard. TPAR, pump ya brakes sonny.

  • P-Matik

    T.I.’s shit is weaksauce.

  • kingt

    ese posts are racist Says:

    July 11th, 2007 at 6:15 pm
    I don’t bust nines like a no-brain actor/
    I do bust rhymes at you no-name bastards/
    I don’t snort lines like a cocaine rapper/
    But i do read books, cuz its the knowledge i’m after/
    After I spit a rhyme, noone will go after/
    Like lil cease to biggie, RIP one of the greatest rappers/

    These racist cats, ain’t facing facts/
    They watch faux news and trace it back/
    They think they lacin’ cats with priceless jewels,
    Well you fools, we want our payment back/
    I ain’t playing black/ i’m demanding that/
    Those who use our culture, stop hanging that!/

    Corporations run our lives more than our elected congress/
    Stare the truth in its eyes and I guarantee it will make you vomit/
    A greedy man would sell you the rope he is to be hung by, if it meant he’d make a profit/
    That’s why Hip Hop is dying! Its been hijacked, yes, but we keep ourselves hostage!/

    I ain’t trippin, but if you listen, and stop dismissin/ what i’m saying as just bitchin’/
    Perhaps you would understand what i’m saying and we could start using hip hop as our kitchen/
    To cook up the truth that will set us free/
    Read, learn and think and simply be.
    ^^^^^^^^
    naw now that just plain sucked

  • http://xxlmag.com Billy X. Sunday

    TPAR,
    you are a simpleton shitbag. Do not misquote me on this bitch. Copy my drop verbatim if you can’t get it straight.

    Arabs are EVERYWHERE! I call Arabia such because it is occupied PREDOMINANTLY by Arab tribes. Period, point blank.

    Arabs are not excluded from ANYWHERE. And WHEREVER they convene whether it’s in Arabia, Africa or America, they convene along tribal values and connections. I am scratching your comment from the thread because you have misquoted me to the point that you are convoluting my message.

  • around and around

    I am teaching you how to look past supremacy’s false borders and imaginary lines, but you are fighting me every inch of the way because your brain can’t wrap itself around my concepts.
    ———–
    Am I the only one here besides TPAR and Che that can see that billy is consistently full of shit? He talks of ‘Imaginary Lines’ and then in another post actually CREATES A LINE, defining Arabia!!!!! And I quote: “Everything sub-Sahara I consider Africa. The northern coast of the continent is predominantly arab and I consider that region/country Arabia.”

    So what exactly are the people who are living in the Sahara, the Tourag? The Berber? Arab? African? Oh wise and all knowing please inform us….get an Education you 3rd rate philospher

    He must learn this two stepping from George Bush/Fox News.

  • http://xxlmag.com Billy X. Sunday

    Around,
    That’s my point, there is no line, no divisor. Everything depends on your tribe anyway. So it doesn’t matter where you are physically located. As long as you are connected to your tribe that is all that matters. I’m not responsible for determining what tribe people associate with in Africa, Asia, Arabia, Australia, wherever. That’s on those people, but my point is that when you disintegrate the borders that were programmed to you as a child you might be able to see the commonality that is shared through tribalism. And the fact that Africa is the most hardbody country evar.

  • VLsteve

    would all a you political mufuckas

    please
    shut the fuck up – its just entertainment

  • Mr. Whats beef

    niggas is getting there malcolm x on in this post, tell em Billy Sunday

  • http://xxlmag.com Billy X. Sunday

    TPAR,
    Your comment gets deleted because you continue to purposely misquote me. You have to do that in order to have any ground whatsoever to stand on.

    Until you can criticize my writing for what exists on the page and not what you think was said you will be assed out(no Ne-Yo).

    Get your shit together on this thread because I won’t tolerate your subversion on my later drops.

  • http://www.xxlmag.com King Ben

    Jeffs a fucking liar.

  • v

    u wait to till jiggas new joint drops.

  • Content

    >Get your shit together on this thread because I won’t tolerate your subversion on my later drops.

    nervous billy?

  • Around and Around

    Subversion? I didn’t see any of that, I just think TPAR must have gotten all up in that ass, I see BX if a champion of Freedom of Speech.

    Your continuous ‘Tribal’ shit is just fucking wrong, go to any of the cites on the continent of Africa and you will see they’re developed and people are living just like cities in the US. (Not with the physical comforts i.e. continuous electricity, etc., but figuritively, trying to get by) Where’s this Tribal shit in US cities….besides Tribal Arm Bands on the arms of white fokes?

  • http://www.xxlmag.com EReal

    ain’t nobody but you coming to this website to see your comments.
    ^^
    You’re right, Yet every damn fucking drop its the same shit. Dude is single handedly taking your shit over and you bait him every day. Hence, your blog is wack now.Just IP ban this fool or somethin so we can actually talk about HIPHOP and HIPHOP CULTURE again, rather than seeing you to bicker like the Golden Girls.

    >Get your shit together on this thread because I won’t tolerate your subversion on my later drops.
    ^^
    In other words if he dosent like what you have to say, then you dont get to say it. Sounds a little Fascist to me BXS. I been seein it in here tho, alot more than any thread on here evar. Comments are there, then theyre gone. I write a long thought out post and it dosent show up, yet I see someone going FIRST or DIPSET BITCH or YOU SUCK and their shits posted.*SMH* Eskay whatap!?

  • these posts are racist

    Billy you deleted my comment, twice, because you say its a “subversion” of your drops…and because you say I misquote you. The truth is, you delelted my comments because they destroy your arguments.

    If my comments were such a subversion of your post and misquoted you, wouldn’t the readers figure that out and wouldn’t I look like a clown? It it was such a subversion…wouldn’t you be able to easily point it out and show the readers that i misquoted you?

    Billy can’t beat me in an argument so he just deletes my comments.

  • http://xxlmag.com Billy X. Sunday

    There’s no argument here. I’m teaching you how to lok outside of your programming and you resist it because your programming has you fucked the fuck up in the head.

    Free your mind and think, it ain’t illegal yet.

  • South 19

    Billy X. Sunday are you and Joell Ortiz dating or something b/c you try plugg his bum ass records every chance you get

  • Cuban Link

    around and around Says:

    July 11th, 2007 at 10:22 pm
    I am teaching you how to look past supremacy’s false borders and imaginary lines, but you are fighting me every inch of the way because your brain can’t wrap itself around my concepts.
    ———–
    Am I the only one here besides TPAR and Che that can see that billy is consistently full of shit? He talks of ‘Imaginary Lines’ and then in another post actually CREATES A LINE, defining Arabia!!!!! And I quote: “Everything sub-Sahara I consider Africa. The northern coast of the continent is predominantly arab and I consider that region/country Arabia.”

    So what exactly are the people who are living in the Sahara, the Tourag? The Berber? Arab? African? Oh wise and all knowing please inform us….get an Education you 3rd rate philospher

    He must learn this two stepping from George Bush/Fox News.

    ^Not to jump in the fray here, but I gotta co-sign with what Billy said about Northern Africa being Arab.I had a teacher in my school last year from Egypt, and he said the Nothern countries, like Morocco, Libya, etc, dont consider themselves African, and keep their culture and values different than traditional African’s.Their whole lifestlye is more like the Middle East, which is full of Arabs.Maybe its biased being how Egypt is much closer to the middle east than, say Algeria, but still, their whole culture is based on Arab culture, not African, so calling Northern Africa “Arabia” can be perfectly justified

  • around and around

    I wasn’t talking about the difference in cultures, or North Africa being Arab, no denying that. I was talking about Billy talking about the “Supremacy’s False Borders” and then creating his own borders.

    All of Africa have different Cultures, the culture of the South Africans is not the same as those in Nigeria.

    And Morroco is the only country in Africa that isn’t a member of the African Union.

  • Cuban Link

    I understand, I just meant that other people feel the same way as Billy does, its not like hes the only one thinking that.

    And I mean North African culture is way different than the rest, the other nations share similar values and other traditions, but North Africa has almost nothing in common.

    And the fact that Morocco is the only one not in the African Union doesnt mean much.Both China and the US are in the UN, but do we feel attached to them in anyway?I know the UN and African Union is waaaayyyyy different, its just an example.I mean the feeling, North Africans just feel seperate from the rest of Africa, and the attitude of the countries prove that.

  • http://xxlmag.com Billy X. Sunday

    ^ Cuban Link,
    I’m gonna address this comment to you in the hopes that you can speak to these blanks that can’t wrap their skulls around my concepts…

    Let’s visit the concept of me considering “Africa” the land mass below the Sahara. I’m not calling out a lat. or long. line because that is my point altogether. It’s an area that blends in with “Arabia” which is to the north and east. Arabic tribes exist in Africa just as African tribes exist in Arabia. No area is mutually exclusive. For that matter Arabic and African tribes exist here in America along with European tribes, Asian tribes and Mexican tribes.

    The tribe is the group with which you share the most commonalities and values. I see several tribes here on this XXL thread. There is the tribe of people trying to put enlightenment and education back into the entertainment of Hip-Hop. There is the tribe of the miseducated and unsocialized who were purposely programmed to be that way.

    These are your ringtone consumers and general da-dunt da-dunns who think that RAP music shouldn’t be concerned with skilled lyrics. That sounds like John Coltrane without a sax.

    This thread was originally about T.I.’s reported success with his latest album despite the fact the internets has overwhelmingly called the album a trash can, and the fact that nobody listens to bloggers anyhoo.

  • around and around

    Here we see the results in Billy’s blog of a 3rd rate NY public school education. The guy reads a book or two by some obscure writers and forms these ridiculous theories. Billy what’s your ‘tribe’? Who cares, fuck you and your ‘tribe’. Idiot
    From: BBC
    On the BBC’s Africa Live Programme on Wednesday, we ask just how African is north Africa?

    Does culture and language link the region more to the Arab world, or should geography be the deciding factor?
    (Comments)

    To all those who try to divide us by the colour of our skin, I’m a Berber white African. If I was black I’d feel exactly the same, because colour is given by God. It is not a human choice.
    Mohamed, Midar, London (Morocco)

    Africa should be more united. The division that we see between the northern and sub-saharan regions is not as bad as the tribal and ethnical divisions that exist in the heart of all Africa. I see division and conflict inside each of the regions more than the divison between the north and south. Morocco for example has forgiven all its debts to African countries.
    Tarik, Morocco

    You always come up with a racial tone or a divide and rule policy, in your question. Africa for all Africans, black, white, yellow or brown. As archeologists tell us all humans began in Africa.
    Harry Massele, Ethiopian/ USA Citizen

    Africa is one Africa and there are no two ways about it. Look at it this way, why should we bother about who is in the north or in the south, when we have have a lot of other recent comers – such as Europeans – who call themselves Africans.
    Richard D Munsaka, Zimbabwe

    Like Kwame Nkrumah of Ghana, Jamal Abdel Nasser of Egypt also believed in the Pan African vision during the hey-days of African liberation. Yet one can undoubtedly claim that one of the biggest supporters of African Unity today is President Gaddafi of Libya, just as his South African counterpart, President Thabo Mbeki. So why will anybody claim to be an original African simply because he is ‘Black’ and he belongs to the sub-Saharan region? Africa, as I see it, belongs to any person who happens to be born in it, or whose parents belong to it.
    Abdul, Ghanaian in New York

    Classic divide and rule policies at play here. The Arabs are generally a lot less racist than Europeans, as Islam does not promote a white God, as Christianity does. One of the Prophet Mohammed’s closest companions, Bilal, was a black Abyssinian slave. Blacks have been an important part of Middle Eastern culture, stretching all the way back to the oldest civilisation in Egypt, since the beginning of time. We do not need the Europeans lecturing us on racial harmony.
    Ahmed, UK

    The question is who decides what an African is? What criterion is used to make such a decision? What do we include and exclude in or from the category “African”? Any attempt to make such definitions is a dangerous process.
    Michael, Birmingham, United Kingdom

    All Africans, despite their cultural diversity and differences in physionomy, belong to Africa. Every African culture is unique and one is not inferior or superior to the other. North Africans have nothing more special than the rest of the Africans. The perception that there are two different Africas is in the mind of those who promote division and hatred among people.
    Teamrat Zeresenai, Canada

    I’m so proud of being both African and Muslim.
    Khaled Bechou, Algeria

    Saying that Northern Africa is less ‘African’ is like saying that Northern England is less ‘English’ than the south. Africa is merely an adjective which encompasses an continent. You can see just as much cultural, geographical and social diversity in the USA as in Africa – and the US is only one country.
    Joe Poole, United Kingdom

    There is nothing new about the attempts by the Western press to “Balkanise” the African continent. It is the interest of the West to “divide and rule” Africa. I have never heard any one suggest that Canadians are not Americans. Simply put, it is a crazy idea.
    Farai D Majuru, Belgium

    Lets keep to the geographic factor because every country in Africa has language, cultural and religious diversity. If we were supposed to be considering such factors, Africa would have had 1001 countries considering the number of different tribes found in each country.
    Maxwell Eyram Afari, Ghanaian in Brazil

    No part of Africa belongs to anybody. The people in Africa belong to the Africa, so Africa is home to all in it. North or south, having the sense of belonging in Africa makes you African, no matter black, white or Arab.
    Papo, Lesotho

    The word “Africa” in Roman times referred only to Tunisia and western Algeria; only later was it extended to encompass the whole continent. Even the word is said to originally come from Berber. So if you want to be pedantic, you can claim a Namibian or an Ethiopian isn’t African – but don’t try to tell me that an Algerian isn’t!
    Lameen, USA / Algeria

    Africa is a large family house, and Africans are the family members no division.
    David Kalu, Nigeria

  • around and around

    Billy, read below, below you will read how REAL scholars address important issues. Notice, not one put down, this is scholarly work, rather than, ‘Da-Dunt Da Dunns’ who can not argue a simple point, and would rather insult…………

    As I’ve said before you’re blinded by the prisim of your western upbringing, you’re a sheltered American, no better than the country bumpkin who thinks Saddam is responsible for 9/11.
    ————————–
    For most people in Western countries, Africa immediately calls up the word “tribe.” The idea of tribe is ingrained, powerful, and expected. Few readers question a news story describing an African individual as a tribesman or tribeswoman, or the depiction of an African’s motives as tribal.

    (…)

    Yet today most scholars who study African states and societies–both African and non-African–agree that the idea of tribe promotes misleading stereotypes. The term “tribe” has no consistent meaning. It carries misleading historical and cultural assumptions. It blocks accurate views of African realities. At best, any interpretation of African events that relies on the idea of tribe contributes no understanding of specific issues in specific countries. At worst, it perpetuates the idea that African identities and conflicts are in some way more “primitive” than those in other parts of the world. Such misunderstanding may lead to disastrously inappropriate policies.

    In this paper we argue that anyone concerned with truth and accuracy should avoid the term “tribe” in characterizing African ethnic groups or cultures.

    In this paper, they argue that:

    Tribe has no coherent meaning.
    Tribe promotes a myth of primitive African timelessness, obscuring history and change.
    In the modern West, tribe often implies primitive savagery.
    Images of timelessness and savagery hide the modern character of African ethnicity, including ethnic conflict.
    Tribe reflects once widespread but outdated 19th century social theory
    Tribe became a cornerstone idea for European colonial rule in Africa.

  • around and around

    Nice I get my third post deleted, it showed up and now it’s gone. Facisim at it’s finest.

    “That’s how Billy Teaches”

  • thatwhitedude

    lmao @ the whole wonder twins part, classic post DP

  • thatwhitedude

    also which one of your personas wears the mask? DP or Sunday?

  • around and around

    Game set match…..simpleton

  • http://xxlmag.com Billy X. Sunday

    I want to kindly ask any reader that has come this far on the thread to return to this post where my tribalism remarks may be properly prefaced.

    http://www.xxlmag.com/?p=11588

    One of the anonymous blanks here has taken the time to copy comments from people regarding Africa from the framework of post-colonialism. Read this…

    “Yet today most scholars who study African states and societies–both African and non-African–agree that the idea of tribe promotes misleading stereotypes. The term “tribe” has no consistent meaning. It carries misleading historical and cultural assumptions. It blocks accurate views of African realities. At best, any interpretation of African events that relies on the idea of tribe contributes no understanding of specific issues in specific countries. At worst, it perpetuates the idea that African identities and conflicts are in some way more “primitive” than those in other parts of the world. Such misunderstanding may lead to disastrously inappropriate policies.”

    SPECIFIC ISSUES IN SPECIFIC COUNTRIES plays exactly into the idea of supremacy’s borders and colonialism’s distribution of wealth through the land mass regarded as Africa.

    Remove all drawn up land borders from your mindset and view people as belonging to tribal sets with core values. This includes Africans, Arabs, Asians, Mexicans, Euros and Americans. I’m sure there are some Eastern countryside Germans that share core values with their Polish neighbors. These two groups should be part of the same tribe.

  • springhook

    the rap world is so fraudulent. i have a solution.the rappers who claim to be the greatest should have a rap duel, no holds barred! the labels, that rape these artists should put up the money :one million tax free. they can afford it.that whould be enough money to bring out the people with real skill. not “skillz” but SKILL.people who take their rhyme game seriously. i personally think that black thought and ras kass would kill everybody.the only mc’s with skill any where near their’s is eminem
    and krs-one.if you put it on hbo or show time, you would more than make your money back.