When It All Falls Down…

It’s not like I want to see people losing. It doesn’t give me any measure of satisfaction and it certainly doesn’t make me any wealthier either, but, being the fan of entertainment that I am at least there is some drama involved in watching folks go down in flames. It’s like when you drive by the horrific car accident and you crane your neck to see if you can spot any dead bodies. It’s not like any of us really wanted to see dead people in as much as we have the need to utter, “Dammmmmmmn!”

That’s how I feel about your boy Dame Dash, world renowned cake-a-holic and shameless pitchman. There isn’t anything that Dame wouldn’t try to sell people. He sold the DipSet lifestyle to kids that didn’t live in Harlem and they thought that the Diplomats were the coolest shit since ice cold. And in reverse he sold conspicuous consumption to the ghetto by wearing a Roc-A-Wear sweatsuit to work, carrying a bottle of fancy vodka and being driven around New York City in a Maybach. When everyone was buying this shit Dame Dash was on the top of the world. He had a license to print money and it seemed like he could spend it even faster.

After seeing all of America’s favorite jig performers and entertainers go belly up at some point you would imagine that in this day and age the new generation of jig glitterati has more fiscal sense than say a Sammy Davis Jr. or an O.J. Simpson, but still we see cats like Scottie Pippen having to turn his fedora into a bucket in the hopes that Michael Jordan will put some of that scrilla he uses to gamble with to help him back on his feet. Damn Scottie. The list goes on for celebrities that have had to file Chapter 11 in order to keep their creditors or the I.R.S. from eating their last bit of food. The last dude I expected to find himself under this scrutiny is Dash. He was personally schooled by Hu$tle Simmons, who himself is the real ultimate hustler in the ways that the tI’s run these streets. Dash was supposed to be able to avoid these pitfalls even after his acrimonious breakup with his BFF, Jay-Z.

Jay-Z is currently 180 degrees from where Dame Dash sits now. Jay-Z has never been more important as an urban lifestyle pitchman. Every minute some big manufacturing corporation is looking for Jay-Z so they can place their product in his hand. Budweiser, Coke and even the color blue now belong to Jay-Z. Dame Dash has Pro-Keds and a warrant for two-million dollars worth of unpaid income taxes. Did Dash never get the memo that ‘The Man’ always gets his first off the top? I just hope that Dash can make a killing this summer selling his Pro-Keds and that new O.D.B. album, because I don’t think they serve his favorite kind of cake in Sing Sing.

  • che

    pro-keds just sound gay.

  • BlackGenius

    Dame ain’t got money like Jigga but he can afford to pay 2 mill with no sweat his ass is far from broke even though business ain’t doin good.

  • Juan

    *
    che Says:

    May 9th, 2007 at 9:19 am

    pro-keds just sound gay.

    lol true

  • http://www.vinyl1980.com raoul

    That’s what happens when people pretend.
    When you’re on top, do the right thing. Take your fuckin money and run!!!

  • John Brown

    manufacturing corporation is looking for Jay-Z so they can place their product in his hand. Budweiser, Coke and even the color blue now belong to Jay-Z.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Billy,

    Real talk here, do you actually think that JAY even drinks that pee-thing called BUDWWEISER? After he was doing ads fro HENIEKEN, I aint no rocket-scientist but my answer is HELL TO THE NO. Is how he said on Kanye song “Diamonds from Sierra Leone (Remix)”, “I’m not a businessman
    I’m a business, man”. Oh and bout that Jay-Z Blue Denali, Im pretty sure he is still driving around in a Maybach.

    Jay-Z is the ULTIMATE HUSTLER, in my mind…

  • these posts are racist

    BOL is that you?

    Billy, do you really think Dame is broke????

  • matt

    Dash is’nt responsible…it was his secretary who did’nt tell him anything about his taxes, consequently dame fired his secretary.I found this out from ‘scratch’ newsheadlines a few weeks ago.

  • Domjel

    Lets face it, Dame is known because of Jay. Dame is the perfect example of judge by action and not words.

  • http://www.myspace.com/sinistahmoneybagz Sinistah aka Sin Piff

    not sure how much $$$ he has!

    but i’d rather Dame Dash broke, than Sin Piff broke anyday!

    what up world!

  • http://cameuprecords.com Firre

    Damn Dame. U got knocked the fuck out!

  • Danny

    Billy,

    You just love kicking people when there down don’t ya Billy??

    Hater….

  • Danny

    John Brown Says:
    Jay-Z is the ULTIMATE HUSTLER, in my mind…

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    And your the ULTIMATE FAGGOT in mine….

  • FLIP

    LMAO @ DANNY ^^^^^

  • these posts are racist

    Dame recieved about 20 million dollars when he split with Jay. Dame has a GED. How many people do you know who have the highest of education from the best schools in the world have 20 million dollars?

    Strike that. How many people do you know that have 20 thousand dollars, cash?

    Exactly. Billy and BOL need to stop hating on young black men who have beat the odds…..

  • DIRTY RANGER

    Damn Billy. I could have picked this news up in a gossip circle somewhere. You are balls deep (no Cam’ron) in some ghey shit.

    Now back to some real hip hop…

  • John Brown

    Danny Says:

    May 9th, 2007 at 12:45 pm
    John Brown Says:
    Jay-Z is the ULTIMATE HUSTLER, in my mind…

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    And your the ULTIMATE FAGGOT in mine….
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    HMMM….ha ha ha…i dont have time for this…

  • http://xxlmag.com Billy X. Sunday

    Dame Dash beat the odds by sending a generation plus of young, impressionable Blacks down the wrong road. I will never celebrate his achievement. A lot of you are unable to see this because you are stuck in the Walt Disney Fantasia world of drugdealers becoming rappers without ever considering the fact that drugdealers need legions of drug abusers. Stop being blind cowards to the perpetuation of destruction on the disenfranchised.

    Dame Dash is a man that has been quoted that he could give two shits about the artistry of Hip-Hop. For him it was only a matter of generating income. He would have created any character that the tI’s told him to create. His travails now are his comeuppance. Dame Dash killed Hip-Hop, and now when he needs the lifeless body to show him a heartbeat and compassion he doesn’t get it. Good riddance.

  • these posts are racist

    Billy-

    Dame Dash did not kill Hip Hop. Dame was instrumental in changing how rap artists (mostly young black males) did business. He demanded equity and ownership and didn’t simply take a job as a rapper for a major label. Moroever, he tried and was successful at expanding his business ventures, i.e. clothing, vodka, movies, etc. He was good for hip hop. He taught rappers the importance of holding out and not simply accepting what a major label gives you…i.e. a job…but rather set the standard for ownership and diversifying business ventures.

    He is to be commended for that.

  • Dr Flav

    I thought I read this last week. What kills me is that this becomes a competition between Jay Z and Dame, when Dame Dash has never made a record in his life. Dash, Biggs and Jay made Rocafella records, if not for that collaboration, somebody could have still been slinging G-packs and ghostwriting for adolescent rappers. Face it Damon will die with enough dough to finance everyone who posted above me lifetimes.

  • these posts are racist

    Billy-

    Dame Dash was a drug dealer with “legions of drug abusers.”? Please, enlighten me? Is this even a rumor?

    Dame Dash is a young black male with a GED who made millions of dollars managing rappers, selling clothes and investing in various business ventures.

  • Ice Cold G.I. Joe

    this to me is hilarious and sad at the same time..heres a dude that was at one point so arrogant and use to talk to folks so bad like they were beneath him..use to talk like he had so much money he couldn’t spend it all..that was until jay left with the rest of the roc-a-fella camp..it was also at one point rumored that his wife was gonna file for divorce..as much as i hate to say it, he deserves what ever happens to him..GOD doesn’t like ugly and when you do wrong, you fall from grace..

  • http://xxlmag.com Billy X. Sunday

    TPAR,
    Are you for real? See if you can connect the dots my friend. Dame Dash did not sell drugs LITERALLY, but he created and promoted characters that espoused that LIFESTYLE. So while Dame was gaining his riches there was an entire generation of young people who imagined that their life could be turned around while they too did illegal things, or worse, dropped out of school.

  • thoreauly77

    tpar and billy both have good points here, but i am going to have to go with billy on this one. dame dash, for all of his diversifying, etc etc self-empowerment etc etc, was successful at the expense of other people. the man is simply an asshole. though i don’t believe he killed hip-hop (since it will never die), i do believe that his attitude and indicative of what is wrong with hip-hop. every time i think of the guy i picture him pouring champagne on women or yelling at someone on the phone. that’s only the beginning of how fucked up this guy is, and anyone who thinks that is ballin is a child, straight up. he is a black man that turned his back on his people and continues to do so. it boggles the mind that you, tpar, for everything that you have accomplished and strive to do for you and your community, would herald anything a man like dame dash has done. he doesn’t stand for anything; doesn’t stand up for his people; but he does stand on his people.

  • Yung Ether

    How can u call urself a hustler when uncle sam bout to come take all yo paper? REAL hustlers know, take care of the money first.i.e. get an accountant and then get another one to watch that one, jackass.

  • these posts are racist

    Billy,

    I don’t dispute the fact that many of our youth are misguided by the stuff Dame pushes. My point is, this is a very micro view of the politics and conditions of our people. Dame is a man who came from (allegedly) rough circumstances and managed to accumlate a lot of wealth. Its difficult for me to look at a man with a GED from (allegedly) a rough neighborhood in Harlem and expect him to be a deep philosopher. He shouldn’t win a prize for man of the year or anything…but I think its cheap and too micro of a condemnation to bash him…or blame him for the problems of our community.

    Otherwise, I see what you’re saying and think I amy have come off too defensive of Mr. Dash. I’m also not “excusing” his behavior…but I understand the “reason” for why he is the way he is.

  • Dr Flav

    “anyone who thinks that is ballin is a child, straight up.” Well goo goo ga ga, Im a child then muthafucka cause that nigga is ballin still! “dame dash, for all of his diversifying, etc etc self-empowerment etc etc, was successful at the expense of other people.” That my friend is the definition of a businessman. Dash went from promoting parties to owning properties, If no Dash, no Roc a Fella, the nigga is a visionary and if you dont let your nuts hang and voice your opinion loudly in the corporate tank of sharks, then you are shark food. All that Jay Z is doing is selling his name or brand, a brand that Dash helped him build the stock up in. “Dame Dash is a man that has been quoted that he could give two shits about the artistry of Hip-Hop. For him it was only a matter of generating income. He would have created any character that the tI’s told him to create. His travails now are his comeuppance. Dame Dash killed Hip-Hop, and now when he needs the lifeless body to show him a heartbeat and compassion he doesn’t get it. Good riddance.” That is until A. Ried fills the Def Jam President position with Dash, because honestly, your boy has not done anything impressive regarding the title, but use it as a means to cut other deals with once again his name (brand), which Dash helped him expose to the world through RocaFella records, which was financed primarily through Dash and Biggs.

  • Ice Cold G.I. Joe

    if i remember correctly, master p was one of the first people in hip hop to stress owning shit as well as diversifying that into other genres…lets get that str8…dame dash followed shortly there after…give credit where credit is due..

  • Dr Flav

    I tried to post this at another blog, but couldnt so let me just dump it off over here since its relavent.

    A few points, Kanye West has been Roc a Fella’s most successful artist since Jay became Def Jam president.

    I say this because Kingdom Come has not recouped it expenses, the promotion and marketing were said to be at 20 million, 1.5 million records sold aint gonna cover that.

    As far as coatails are concerned all Dame did was get behind the cash cow of Roc a Fella records, Jay Z, he turned the man into a successfully recognized household brand, before then Jay was ghostwriting for C level hip hop groups (ex Da Youngstas) and alledgedly slinging packs.

    Dame and Karreem Biggs were chief financiers of Roc a Fella, Dames connection with Irv Gotti got them in the door with Def Jam to get the distribution deal.

    As bad as people want to talk about Dame he produced results, all this negativity in the eye of the public did not come until, Hov did the undercover snake move he pulled which caused the break up.

  • king blair

    dame went from pouring cris on bitches to dang near sleeping on benches he better run up on jay at a red light an clean that niggas windows he might get a job

  • The Surrealist

    Whoa, whoa. Dr. Flav you’re giving Dame a little bit too much credit. Yea he was savvy, but that came from the streets. Jay and Biggs were each their own third of the sucess of the fledgling Roc-a-fella Records, but to say that they financed it mainly?? With what evidence can you support that statement with? Even minimal evidence?

    I mean you can easily say that Jay made Dame, not the other way. Yea Dame was good at pushing Hov, but if Hov was ass, Dame wouldn’t have been this savvy GED heralding business-tycoon who owes The Man. Jay was the product. Jay made himself. All Dame did was tell people about it. And I’m just being basic about his actual responsiblities (and nobody really knows what Biggs does), but lets be real. If Hov doesn’t blow, Dame is a nobody.

    That’s why Jay is easily handling his own ish now.

    As for Def Jam, people seem to forget the job influence Hov has on Young Jeezy, Ludacris, Rick Ross, Bobby Valentino, Kanye West,Rhianna, Fabolous, Ghostface Killah, Chrisette Michele, Ne-Yo, Juelz Santana, Joe Budden, The Roots, Nas, The Isley Brothers, etc.

    They got it locked everywhere from the streets/mixtapes, seasoned vets, bangers, R&B, neo-soul, back packers, U.K., and old school soul.

    You act like Hov doesn’t have any say or process with these artists when he is the PRESIDENT OF THE PARENT LABEL (of DTP, CTE, Def Soul,etc. not Universal, which Def Jam is now owned by.) Please, it’s his JOB not a PR stunt. The Owner, The CEO, The President, and The Vice President all have at least SOME input to the process of the label and let’s face it, artists love Hov, and that’s a major reason why they sign with them other than the genius of L.A. Reid.

    You can’t penalize him for using his name that he built to help his artists.

    Name a roster that can go bar for bar with them.

  • crackaz killaz fo lifez niggaz

    If “Nigger Rich” is in the Dictionary There should be a picture of Dame Dash near the meaning

  • Dr Flav

    Too much? I haven’t given half of his contribution to “the Dynasty.” The brain child behind Rocawear, somebody couldn’t handle it so they sold it while it was still worth something. Jeezy and Ross had they own movement prior to Def Jam. Scarface signed Luda under the defunct Def Jam South, Luda signed Bobby V to his own DTP imprint. Kanye has already gave it up to Dame on a MTV interview, Shawn didnt want him to rhyme, just keep making his beats. Dj Clue’s boy, Fabulous was a Musiq Soulchild (who is moving units BTW) trade with Atlantic. Ghostface lost, twice, we all know the More Fish lp was a cruel joke by Jay, Killa will be recouping until he 90. (cont.)

  • Dr Flav

    Ne Yo, proven songwriter, La Ried idea, got the cosign that Jay should have gave Def Jam rappers. (no Memphis Bleek) C. Michele = unproven no lp. Rhi Rhi = meh, see last part of Ne Yo comment. Isley Bros= Legends when ya boy was still sippin quarter waters and chewin Now And Laters, solid lp with no push. Roots? LOL @ DEF Alternative imprint and having to compete with label mate Meth on the same release date. Artists love Def Jam and the historical and financial power it holds, Jay, Not so much. (yes DMX, LL, REDMAN, METHOD MAN…) Jaz O Originators feat. Jay Z came out in 90-91, why didnt Hov pop off until the Roc? Why was the first album with no Dame input critically lauded? It would be really hilarious if that nigga Dame actually did “make another Hov.” Considering his fingerprints on Cam and the Dipset movement, remember he was close by during Diplomatic Immunity 1, I wouldn’t be surprised.

  • Dr Flav

    Oh sorry I forgot about Joe Budden, but so did Jay really… Nas, I think Sony/Columbia expected more from that joint venture.

  • M.Garvey

    People still believe 20Million promotions for Kingdom Come, most of his promo was joint ventures, he got paid to do it, he outsourced his advertising.

  • EReal

    IMO

    Dame Dash owes everything to Jay. Dame wouldnt have been SHIT without JayZ and you MAYBE could say vice versa.

    You wanna sit here and call Dame Dash such a great business man, but look at Jay and look at Dame.

    Whos the REAL business man and whos just the cat that was lucky enough to stumble on a golden goose? Yeah. Exactly.

    Thats why Dame got kicked to the curb, Jay realized he didnt ever really need this guy in the first place and seems to be doing fine without him.

    If Dame is go great at managing artists, then where are they? Where are Dame’s new artists?
    *crickets*

    GTFOH.

  • B-EASY

    Dame Dash is one of Hip Hop’s most important buisness men since Russell Simon’s. Dash took a defunct shoe brand and got it carried in large show stores across the country. He used his loud mouth to brand products and a lifestlye that people bought into. At the same time yeah the lifestlye he sold was drug dealing, but young black men were hypnotized by the life way before Dash started pouring cristal on women. Yeah he is arrogant, brash, and annoying at times but he understands how to sell hip hop. Jay-Z’s idea of promoting artist is puttin a verse on a track, and yeah it’s workin now, but what happens when people get sick of hearing him. Dash had people interest in Victora Becham(former spice girl) for a while a few yrs back. So call him what you want but at his best dash is a force.

  • Atl’s own

    “…even the color blue now belong to Jay-Z.”

    fuckin’ hilarious yet true.

  • Hip Hop since 79′

    Billy X. Sunday Says:

    May 9th, 2007 at 1:50 pm
    Dame Dash beat the odds by sending a generation plus of young, impressionable Blacks down the wrong road. I will never celebrate his achievement. A lot of you are unable to see this because you are stuck in the Walt Disney Fantasia world of drugdealers becoming rappers without ever considering the fact that drugdealers need legions of drug abusers. Stop being blind cowards to the perpetuation of destruction on the disenfranchised.

    Dame Dash is a man that has been quoted that he could give two shits about the artistry of Hip-Hop. For him it was only a matter of generating income. He would have created any character that the tI’s told him to create. His travails now are his comeuppance. Dame Dash killed Hip-Hop, and now when he needs the lifeless body to show him a heartbeat and compassion he doesn’t get it. Good riddance.
    ^^^^

    fucking cosign.

  • Dr Flav

    Dame not even fucking with music E Real and like I typed Hov aint got nobody hot, that didnt already have a buzz, thats facts. It can be argued neither one of them cats wouldn’t have done shit if they didnt link up, why didnt Jay do it by himself? He had plenty of time, ridin off Kane and Jaz O shine.

  • The Surrealist

    Flav,

    How you gonna act like people don’t have to come up g? I mean people aren’t instant successes overnight. Jay was going around battlin’ niggas and slingin at the same time under the name “Jazzy” cuz nigga was smoove. Then he shortened it up to Jay-Z. But you saying that is like ignoring that Pac was ever in Digital Underground.

    People gotta get a connect somehow, somewhere. And forreal them niggas been shoppin back in the 90s but the reason why Jigga’s unofficial joint didn’t blow was because he was coming into an age where that style was winding down. So he flipped it and directed that skill towards his life as a hustler and what happened? Instant Classic and that distributed Priority.

    Even Big Daddy Kane and Kool G Rap said cats ain’t on his level.

    Jay didn’t do it alone cuz those was his niggas. He was the Product. Dame was the Pusher. Biggs, well damn we still don’t know what he does exactly.

    Just look at who owns all of that now. Jay. Dame has squat. If he was so savvy how is that he looses sells his share in Roc-a-wear for 20mil. And Jay links up and sells to Iconix(who are managing it) for 240mil cash and 35mil in stock options AND still has control over brand design and marketing? C’mon.

    Then you gotta give credit to the fact Jay has out grown Dame. I’m not saying Dame didn’t do good things, but Jay has done better. And Def Jam artists say that the like having a fellow artist in that position because he understands them better than the execs, and helps bridge gaps for them. I mean Meth didn’t even KNOW the PR reps until Jay introduced them. And all these new artists, Jay gets accredited for, you can look it up. Buzz or none.

  • Dr Flav

    Meth knowing Public Relations reps was not relevant since he basically had a good relationship with his listening public already, that comment was a dis and a smoke screen. Jay had the benefit of a major label placement back in the early 90s on Jaz O album, nobody was checkin for him after that. Yeah everybody should pay dues but dude was positioned around niggas doing it, its plenty of nice rappers slaying cats and slinging packs and that might be the apex of their rap career. Dame stepped in where them other dudes couldn’t, he got Hov heard, polished and marketed, duke was not self made, he had help, help he was not getting previously. How do you outgrow you partners? You made millions together. What happened was classic, those who couldn’t manipulate Dame to ride with some of the wack shit Hov is doing now, got in his ear and planted foul seeds. So credit should be given to him because he sold out the farm that Dame sweated and toiled to a company that produces Kmart clothes, after a disgusted Dame

  • Dr Flav

    sold it for nice sum so that he could get out of the midst of the fakery. Yeah Hov getting money now, but he knows he sold out honor and loyalty and the money may make that dude able to sleep well at night, but all that post Dame and Biggs Rocafella shit is garbage and there is a reason why its was a bad investment by Def Jam and its failing, because what it was supposed to represent has been rent assunder, how is that fam when two of eldest brothers are being played like black sheep? He can sign Beans, wack ass Uncle Murda, hell write some more Bleek rhymes, but it will never be the same, never, ever again. A question, how do you lose something, but get 20 mill for it? Another question, why is Dame portrayed as the bad guy now, wasn’t he the last to know ya boy cut out on the team? Dude talkin sideways in his raps, call your brother up, share some of the opportunity you achieved by the dream you all had together, but you managed to end up with by yourself.

  • Dr Flav

    “Stop being greedy!” Earl Simmons

  • bk8732

    ok so both sides obvious. jay was the face and dame was the bad guy. jay got B and was ready to break from his boys. more recognizable so he got the the corporate deal and took everything. Can’t be mad at anyone for trying to get ahead. But long story short anybody who grinds a job(9-5) 4 a living cant feel sorry 4 any celeb in a bad situation. They lived the life. College and pro athletes all the perks even u if u ride pine u get the perks. A,B,C or D(reality stars)celebrities get everything. If they dont they get more than the average joe. Even these bloggers get some type of love in their hometowns if no where else. Just cant feel bad for their problems unless someone loses their life. Jealous and Bitter. Austin,Texas

  • http://xxlmag.com bk8732

    i had a dream i said. bout who? he said. bout B.I.G i said. thats big he said. He was still alive and i was second place he said. Jay and much respaect to everything he has done and how much hes grown but U listen to his discs and then listen to ready to die and its still almost even. Big was a child when he left if not never a debate. He was born to talk to us!

  • che

    Billy and TPAR, you both overestimate dame dash, he’s not responsible for a whole generation. He plays a tiny, and i mean miniscule, part in the overall culture and generation.

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  • http://sadjlofidjs.com Seanscrilla

    Dame is wack, he should pay 2 mil, pro-keds are gay as hell