Thank GOD They’re Already Dead…

Tupac lived the life he imagined for himself. He dreamed of being a world famous actor when he starred in Shakespeare themed productions while in high school. What’s clear is that he was a supremely talented actor. Rapper? Not as much, but even still I look at the lane he made for all of these rappers to get a foot in the industry in Hollywood. Here’s my question for today… Would Tupac and even Notorious B.I.G. receive the same derision that current fans of rap give all the rappers that are 35years and older? Was dying the best thing that happened to the legacies of Tupac and B.I.G.?

I can’t imagine these two icons would still deliver the same content they did in their mid-twenties. Nobody usually does unless their artistry hasn’t evolved. None of you reading this believe that either B.I.G. or Tupac wouldn’t have evolved. They were both too ahead of their time to begin with. So where does that leave us with artists that have grown up before our eyes. Rappers like KRS-1 and LL Cool J are both past the 40yr old marker and people dismiss their current artistic projects outright because of their age. When Public Enemy first debuted their frontman Chuck D was damn near 30. Hip-Hop music never made the artist’s age a point of contention. Rap music does. This is why I tell you that rap music makes you dumber. What artistic movement denounces teachers? What culture shows disdain for it’s elders.

Rap music is no longer Hip-Hop culture, but it is clearly American culture. American culture tells you that it is acceptable to leave your family’s elders inside an institution for them to live out their natural lives instead of living with their family. The same people that put their elders in nursing homes are the people that decide what Hip-Hop gets produced and distributed to the masses. They have no respect for their elders and they have taught this ideal to the current fans of rap music.

When Hip-Hop had begun there was no separation of ages or genders, or even races. Bambaataa would spin records from David Bowie and the Incredible Bongo Band as well as soul classics from the Stax era. The message was in the music and the message was for people to come together. In only thirty short years rap music no longer respects the deejay and the message is to get rich or die trying. Fuck the enrichment of the journey itself, it’s all about getting paid and if that means selling dope to my next door neighbor then fuck it I’m all in.

That’s why I say thanks to GOD that he didn’t allow Tupac or B.I.G. to age before our eyes. I would be so embarrassed and hurt to see them shitted on by today’s rap music fans just because they were older, as if being older were a curse, and not a gift. There’s no way it would be going down otherwise. The people that control the music that is mass-produced and distributed are the type of people that put their grandmothers inside of a garage or a boiler room in their basement. They don’t value the wisdom or humanity of their elders and they have transferred this sense of disrespect into the minds of today’s rap music fans. And just like they did for jazz music and swing and Be-Bop culture, these are the same people that will determine the canon for rap music and Hip-Hop culture.

Thank GOD that Tupac and B.I.G. are already dead, because in rap music, dying is better than getting old.

  • http://xxlmag.com troyel

    Hey let me say this hip-hop has evolved into its own machine. So there is no way of telling how it would be. But if you want a vision. I see Pac and Big right now still puttin out bangin hits and classic joints to grove too. Im almost 30 and i still luv JAYZ who is almost 40, RED AND METH who knows how old them cats is. People like CUBE, i think we have changed with him and accepted him for the man he is, was and is going to be. Its all personal choice on what you want to hear. who listen to the radio anymore anyway. And i wish people stop making reference to 50cents get rich or die tryin code. I respect him for that but im smart enough to decode the metaphor and us it for in a positive way GET KNOWLEDGE and POWER OR DIE TRYIN

  • Crimson

    I’m glad Nas has grown older.

  • Julio

    Dropping that knowledge. That’s a good look. Props.

  • dreadklove

    My brotha you could not have said this any more eloquently….AMEN

  • Nashville’s Own

    Best post ever. Drop that Knowledge X….

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    Was dying the best thing that happened to the legacies of Tupac and B.I.G.?

    HELL NO

    Big would have created more great music.

    Pac had a REAL movement going on and what he did was come to the “elders” and say…why are you turning your backl on us…why are you criticizing when we are a product of your parenting…why place the blame on the youth when they are brought into a world that is set up to destroy them (the parenting doesn’t help)…blame the feminist movevement and America’s obsession with slaving for the machine…try making the teaching more appealing…try being creative and less like education/preaching…

    Pac was going to do a lot and certain powers that be realized that he could initiate another Panther Party…the government views all black movements as a threat to the state of “their” living conditions…last thing they needed was a young black male waking people up…they want you all to walk around like zombies…mentally and spiritually dead…

    Billy X. Sunday…you suck…BIG TIME (homo)

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    who wants to hear a dude spit a buncha a words you never heard before…

    IMO, its about conveying a message and connecting with the people…teach in simple terms…if you use words the majority don’t understand…how can you reach them…tell me that…Pac reached all…

  • http://xxl q-buro

    on some real shit…who is to say…if biggie and pac were still rockin….i bet the game would be far different. Who knows where it would have went…but i doubt it would be in the state of “party like a rockstar” garbage. Hip hop is dying….from a disease called “the dirty south” real talk. No one cares about your rims…..or how you pop lock or drop it. What happen to the type of music that you learn from? By the way….The Nacerima Dream….Papoose….be on the look out for it.

  • http://xxlmag.com Billy X. Sunday

    N-Cred,
    Tupac was an icon, but even with all your misplaced youthful bluster you can’t even quote him.

    So please don’t talk about him like you loved him or his messages.

  • thoreauly77

    n-cred- how on earth can you blame the feminist movement?

  • http://xxlmag.com Billy X. Sunday

    Thoreauly77,
    You are asking dude to explain himself. That’s heeelarious. This nigger N-Cred don’t know shit.

  • Rizzop

    What artistic movement denounces teachers? What culture shows disdain for it’s elders…..I think it more or less the fact alot of these assholes werent raised to respect the people that bled a sweat for them to even be as “free” as we are today, and that aint saying much either, but you get the point. Even when you see 50 who came from nothing, or any rapper throwing darts at a master P, a nas, a jay-z who carried themselves with some sort of respect for history, it gives the younger generation the balls to talk shit about “old heads”…..If pac and BIG were alive these niggas would be shitting on them everytime they had a chance to…dickheads

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    Billy X. Sunday Says:

    May 22nd, 2007 at 10:30 am
    N-Cred,
    Tupac was an icon, but even with all your misplaced youthful bluster you can’t even quote him.

    So please don’t talk about him like you loved him or his messages.
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    Tupac was more of a Revelutionary than an icon…he had his mishaps and hung with the wrong crowd at times but that is what’s necessary…you dont turn your back on a problem…you jump head 1st into it and search for the root…Pac knew what the root was…

    After I explained how they would have had an even greater influence, you sit here and tell me I can’t qoute Pac…really?

    And what does qouting Pac have to do with anything…what’s the matter…at a lost for words…respond…

  • R.C.

    n-cred you’ll get old too but you right about Pac who could’ve been bigger than Hip-Hop… but he would’ve got old too then all these young fuck would be disrespecting like Bol(crackheads?!!!). good post Billy

    p.s. so what if someone spits something that i don’t understand, i’ll research it or something… why everything has to be simple in order for us to show interest? “ignorance is bliss” they say…

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    thoreauly77 Says:

    May 22nd, 2007 at 10:31 am
    n-cred- how on earth can you blame the feminist movement?
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    allow me to drop knowledge on you one time my young grasshopper

    The feminist movement sent all family values dow the drain…in a spiraling motion…the moment woman began to place their careers ahead of their children the family fell apart…the teaching of a nation/generation starts with the woman…instead we have the streets, tv, music, and this sorry as “education” system molding our youth….PARENTING…stop blaming the children…the parents r responsible until they become adults…thats nature…thats life…thats the way it should be…

  • DocZeus

    Would Tupac & Biggie be treated as pariahs because of their age in this modern hip hop enviroment? Of course, they would!!! The amount of sheer hatred they would recieve would be ten times the amount that Nas, Jay-Z or the Wu-Tang recieve now. I’m pretty sure regardless of the quality of the information we would be getting articles by Noz that D4L is making superior music to Biggie. Hell, Tupac is dead and he is already recieving the revisionist reactionary treatment of his work from the entire blogosphere acting as if Tupac wasn’t dope. Fuck that! Tupac wasn’t the illest of his time but I’ll be damned if I hear people say he wasn’t ill on the mic.

  • c.dot

    I don’t know if what your saying is absolutely true. Look at the careers of Snoop, Ice Cube, UGK, OutKast, Cee-Lo Green, Dr. Dre, Ghostface, Scarface, and 8 Ball and MJG. All these rappers came out in and around the same time Pac and Big did and they still get respect amongst the average rap fan. Pac and Big may not be superstars but they would still get they due.

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    Age has nothing to do with a rapper becoming irrelevant but has everything to do with what they are putting out there and their approach…true greatness is timeless…ask Stevie Wonder, Ronald Isley, Marvyn Gaye, Michael Jackson…the reason these older rappers are becoming irrelevant is because their music wasn’t the true definition of GREAT…2Pac was and is GREAT and timeless…He would have created so much more and done so much more…

    SO DONT GIVE ME THAT BS ABOUT HE IS BETTER OFF DEAD…THAT STATEMENT IS ASSININE…

  • c.dot

    I don’t know if what your saying is absolutely true. Look at the careers of Snoop, Ice Cube, UGK, OutKast, Cee-Lo Green,Too Short, Dr. Dre, Ghostface, Scarface, and 8 Ball and MJG. All these rappers came out in and around the same time Pac and Big did and they still get respect amongst the average rap fan. Pac and Big may not be superstars but they would still get they due.

  • John Brown

    “Was dying the best thing that happened to the legacies of Tupac and B.I.G.?”
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    Billy,

    IMO, it depends whoy uoask and what they feel might had happen. See, on one hand people will tell you that if B.I.G. would had never been killed, there would probably be no DipSet, no G-Unit, no civil war in NY. If Pac would had not gotten killed there would probably be no Bad Boy (well there isnt none anymore), no Aftermath (which means no Eminem, Game or 50), no Biggie(?), and maybe no East coast dominance (well that is dead). But this question is more harder(no homo) to digest than say who is the G.O.A.T. Maybe it did help their legacies but maybe it stop something bigger than their legacy. Pac had a movement in place, Biggie wanted hip-hop to be something bigger. All we could say to the answers that we will get is “WHAT IF”.

  • ddubbzz

    Wow…nice post homie..but i would have to disagree with you on that Pac wasnt a great rapper. Man…his words…man..or you know what…maybe it was the WAY he said it that made him stand out amongst other MC’s. My god. The feeling he put into his music…man…i used to get goose bumps after hearing All eyes on me…Dear mama…I aint mad at ya…so maybe your right…well honestly..i never really thought about it until this post…maybe he really wasnt a wordsmith…but the way he expressed himself on wax…was so powerful that you would get consumed by him so easily

  • n-cred is an asshole

    son, u aint dropped a shred of knowledge since u started postin to this blog.

  • smog

    Sunday brings up a good point about the relevance of the respect given to elders. The most important relationship in hip hop is the one between the student and the teacher. A lot of dudes are on some dark side shit, killin they teachers after they got all the knowledge they can out of them. While I think it’s a good point at the same time I think it’s sort of irrelevant to talk about what would have happened to pac and big. They dead.

  • lukee lefty

    People forget that when BIG died a large percentage of NYC rappers had problems with him. Only dude that was cool with him was Jay. I still believe Puff would’ve fucked up BIG’s career and eventually brought him to Def Jam with Jay and DMX. Still that being said he would’ve stopped being relevant his skills wouldnt have gone down though.

    As far as Tupac he would have stuck to his gimmicks gettin arrested shot over and over in order to sell records and shit but eventually everybody would’ve stopped caring and he would ended up like Ice Cube.

  • thoreauly77

    well i personally say thank god for the feminist movement and female empowerment because as long as we have dudes out here being reactive instead of pro-active, someone’s gotta hold it down. times change and so do cultural values, so keep up or get left behind. the constant black panther cliff-notes ramblings that you so frequently express on here are the expressions of a man that is unable to think clearly, or for himself. while i do support the ideas behind some of your ramblings, they are not fleshed out properly and make you seem extremely foolish. i respect a person’s opinion of course, but it is obvious you don’t respect your own enough to form a coherent argument.

    and calling me “young grasshopper” is like a lepton calling god “youngin”.

  • Dr Flav

    My previous post was deleted, so Im gonna be as brief, no one should wish death for anyone unless they are suffering painful, terminal illness. The rappers you list on here are still relevant and have evolved in some manner of social or political aspect and they are financially sound as well, therefore I would assume the same would be the case for Pac and Big. Dont be sensitive and delete my posts if I still say that your blogs are the equivalent of a girl that gives subpar head that cant make you bust a nut, i.e. nice effort, but bitch please. You ballsy enough to write highpowered shit, its give and take homey. I thought they took this shit off, but I guess an edit was suitable enough. Keep it up you might make Bol status yet, Sunday. LOL

  • Dr Flav

    “As far as Tupac he would have stuck to his gimmicks gettin arrested shot over and over in order to sell records and shit but eventually everybody would’ve stopped caring and he would ended up like Ice Cube.”

    So getting shot is a gimmick? Dude dont be stupid, bullets hurt like a motherfucka, how bout grabbing a gun and trying to gimmick yourself for that. As far as that arrested shit is concerned, the fact that he was going through that made it copyrighted tactic for companies to use in future rappers bios. Ending up like Ice Cube, what do you mean, a wealthy independant artist and successful actor and film maker?

  • c.dot

    I don’t know if what your saying is absolutely true. Look at the careers of Snoop, Ice Cube, UGK, OutKast, Cee-Lo Green,Too Short,Common,Twista, Dr. Dre, Ghostface, Scarface, and 8 Ball and MJG. All these rappers came out in and around the same time Pac and Big did and they still get respect amongst the average rap fan. Pac and Big may not be superstars but they would still get they due.

  • http://xxlmag.com Billy X. Sunday

    Flav,
    Your paranoid B, I am looking in the comments queue and there aren’t any remarks from you awaiting moderation. If I am banning you from my blog then NONE of your comments will ever show, so if you see one you can expect to see another. And as long as you submit remarks to the thread that are relevant you can call me whatever you want.

    My job is twofold, to make you think, and then talk. My hope is that you complete the former before you undertake the latter. I’m happy with your progress, keep it up. Your slightly above the level of an N-Cred but I believe it’s because you spend so much time commenting around the internets that you aren’t able to really comprehend the drops that I post here at this site.

    What is profound is that you aren’t able to see that what Tupac did outside of the soundbooth is his iconic contribution to rap music. He didn’t bring a lyrical style or language into rap music, but he acted out the role of a disaffected, disenfranchised young Black male and this is what everyone attaches themselves to. You can love Tupac as much as you want but you need to understand that you’ve been bamboozled by thug life.

  • Dr Flav

    LOL

  • Were Read 2 Def

    Is it just me or do u think N-Cred would look like DJ Rob from that Chapelle Show game show?

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    thoreauly77 Says:

    May 22nd, 2007 at 12:28 pm
    well i personally say thank god for the feminist movement and female empowerment because as long as we have dudes out here being reactive instead of pro-active,
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    why thank God for something that is totaly opposite of what he intended…nothing is wrong with female empowerment we need our other half to be empowered…the problem is when you have 2 roles and 2 genders but the 2 genders are playing 1 role…who is playing the other role (females role)…oh i forgot…we have the “education” system, social workers, music, games, and TV for that…the sun and the moon baby…when puzzled on life and how it should be…look to nature…

    someone’s gotta hold it down.
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    so the females are “holding it down”…how so…

    times change and so do cultural values,
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    time constantly changes and do you think American values have changed for the better…not the case…

    so keep up or get left behind.
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    keep up with what

    the constant black panther cliff-notes ramblings that you so frequently express on here are the expressions of a man that is unable to think clearly, or for himself.
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    “black panther ramblings”…do you know what they represented…you damn right I believe in the same things…self-empowerment, self-defense, enrichment of the community, ORGANIZATION of THE DISENFANCHISED

    while i do support the ideas behind some of your ramblings, they are not fleshed out properly and make you seem extremely foolish.
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    what is foolish about what I say…be specific

    i respect a person’s opinion of course, but it is obvious you don’t respect your own enough to form a coherent argument.
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    did this guy just say I dont respect my own opinion…WOW…sorry but I don’t have time to draft up a comment, review it, revise it, etc…I state my opinions and move on…

    and calling me “young grasshopper” is like a lepton calling god “youngin”.
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    sure

  • Dr Flav

    “Your paranoid B, I am looking in the comments queue and there aren’t any remarks from you awaiting moderation.” I’ve posted plenty of times on here to know how to submit a comment.

    “And as long as you submit remarks to the thread that are relevant you can call me whatever you want.” History has disproven that statement.

    “My job is twofold, to make you think, and then talk. My hope is that you complete the former before you undertake the latter.” My thought process is fine, I just wonder at times how thorough yours is regarding your submissions at times.

    “…I believe it’s because you spend so much time commenting around the internets…” Either thats envy, sarcasm or thanks, I have the luxury of having the leisure of posting from my cell or however and still be able to do what I do, dont flatter yourself son.

    ” What is profound is that you aren’t able to see that what Tupac did outside of the soundbooth is his iconic contribution to rap music. He didn’t bring a lyrical style or language into rap music, but he acted out the role of a disaffected, disenfranchised young Black male and this is what everyone attaches themselves to. You can love Tupac as much as you want but you need to understand that you’ve been bamboozled by thug life.” You are wrong throughout that whole paragraph, it is everything that he did that encompasses his iconic status. It was stated that most of his fans were white or female, so all of them really want to be poor disaffected,
    disenfranchised young Black males. I have not been bamboozled, I interpreted the meaning of thug life differently than you thats all.

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    You want to know what Thug Life meant to Pac…it meant not conforming to the social conditioning of the “education system”…it means being free to live your life as you see fit…it means breaking out of what they want you to be, which is the humble negro who’s happy to get a piece of the pie of the white mans table…it means being a force to be reckoned with…it means helping a brother who’s being victimized by racist police…it means being free by any means necessary…

  • Pancho

    If Biggie and Pac were still alive, I wouldn’t know what the current hip-hop landscape would be…neither do many people as well.

    Would the current hip-hop being played in the mainstream media even exist. The quality of hip-hop has degraded since Pac and B.I.G died.

    So MAYBE…hip-hop wouldn’t have such crappy quality music if B.I.G and Pac were still alive.

    just some thoughts….

  • http://xxl slim gutta

    Redman had nice album and hes gotta be over 35

  • selina kyle

    its been a proven fact that rappers do not respect their forefathers. yes some of the emcees from back in the day are old farts who like to bitch and moan because they can’t sell as many cds as *insert any rapper here*, but their impact and influence shouldnt be ignored. rappers today shit on and ignore the fact that their whole style was jacked from some emcee they grew up on. hip hop is the only music that ignores the shit out of the greats. if pac and big were alive today, the amount of cheap shots people would have taken at them would be crazy. even if an old school rapper falls off, we shouldnt ignore the great music they made, shits just disrespectful.

  • Crossbow

    To quote Pac, “this is the realest shit you ever wrote”. Good shit, man.

  • Non

    lol @ 2pac “playing the role” of a disenfranchised black youth. Why is it hard to accept that maybe thats actually what he was? People constantly use 2pacs background in theater/acting to nullify any accomplishment in his life.

    I know the guy wasnt “superthug” like some people make him out to be. I know 2pac was a walking contradiction. But when you look at his life, you SHOULD be able to understand why. People really dont take his age into account as much as I think they should. Pac was damned near a baby when he was murdered.

    When you have someone only 25 years old, surrounded in a world of drugs, sex, money, and gangsters (its obvious the people around him were official), he was bound to find himself in some situations that clash with who he really stood for.

    Those contradictions are the very reason so many people attach to him, alot young black males are confused and angry, and going through the same shit pac went through, only to a lesser degree. and to see someone flippantly lable it all an act is kinda fucked up.

  • WOW1

    Wow, G! Someone is really overanalyzing. So much so that they fail to make a valid point and are so blind-sided by their own text they fail to see it.

  • selina kyle

    oh yeah, and to say feminism is destroying the family dynamic might be the dumbest shit i have ever heard. feminism is a reaction to men not taking care of their business. the man isn’t there, so the woman has to take all responciblity, finical and emotional. feminism is also a product of equality. men do not own women, and cannot be expected to live off of his salary and allow him the control over money. women require their own money so they can have their own freedom. to reduce women down to nothing but child bearers is disgusting and disrespectful. to say its a woman’s job to take care of the family and make sure children aren’t misbehaving is minimizing the job of a father figure. a father isnt suppose to bring home the bacon, it takes two parents to raise a child. if you have anything to truely complain about its the break down of the family, not women attempting to gain some rights and control of their lives.

  • Moe Real

    I’ll let all you guys in on a little secret: The reason Billy is writing about BIG, Pac and other rappers that are 10-plus years past their expiry date is that he is an old has-been himself.

    Dying IS better than getting old, if your name is Billy X. Sunday (or whatever this clown is calling himself).

  • http://www.myspace.com/sinistahmoneybagz Sinistah aka Sin Piff

    the arrogant ignorance of youth is blinding.

    So caught up in their own mission of self-definition they tend to 4get the world is bigger than their own activities within 24hrs.

    As far as music, why should an age restriction be placed on who should get light and who is to be left in the dark. There’s actual skill involved in this despite what the general concensus obviously thinks due to whats deeemed “hot” in the commercial world. I don’t care if you MC Grey-Hair or MC Youngin, if ya lack what i would consider an “enjoyment/entertainment” factor within ya fake ass image, i can give 2 fucks about ya rap beefs and all dat other shit that determines whats “hot” in the eyes of 2days youth.

    We should know more about ya actual MC abilities than ya MC dramatics/theatrics anyway.

    i’m done with this shit, and shall return after i burn the bush Moses saw roasting once upon a religious scroll.

  • jrjomo

    I don’t think either artist would have matured considering the labels both were on. Biggie would still try to be the a black italian/pimp/drug lord/ claiming no one can fuck with him and Tupac, would still be Suge’s slave doing anything for attention to keep the label afloat. Both would have been much better off without the 2 devils and probably still alive.

  • thoreauly77

    stating your opinions and moving on is fine. and what don’t you get about not respecting your own opinion. when i wrote that it was meant to express the fact that you should really think about what you write. do you wonder why you get so much shit on here from so many people? it is not a coincidence, and it is school-yard bullying on the internets either; it is the fact that you constantly de-value the sentiments of important leaders and movements by throwing around quotes and sentiments that we all understand on a fundamental level. it’s as if you’re making it rain with the quotes of black leaders, and personally it makes me sick because it denotes their value in the first place. any one can quote pac or Dr. King, but it takes a lot more to think critically and form your own conclusions as opposed to just “stating your opinion and moving on”. i’m not trying to be a dick to you, in fact i am trying not to.

    anyhow, as far as the pac and big thing, i actually do think they would be dissed by consumers these days. i agree with n-cred that pac would still be relevant, but i don’t think it would be musical — i think it would be a more mature version of his thug life movement. either way, his legacy does live on with afeni.. and as far as big? who knows? maybe he would be kickin it at def jam, getting no promotion just like his other nineties brethren red and meth..

  • jeff

    I don’t remember 2Pac being the world’s greatest rapper until Death Row started marketing Makaveli. I didn’t know anyone who disliked his shit, but he wasn’t really anyone’s favorite rapper while he was alive. He had a couple of songs that I liked, but his cameos on E-40 songs were better than the shit he ended up with on his albums. I mean, he was just a rapper from the 1990s that died earlier than most others. If Cube died in 91, he would’ve been known as the greatest rapper of all time. Pac just died first. Pac, I mean…I bought Me Against The World, but I bought that the same year I bought the E-40 In A Major Way album, The Luniz Operation Stackola, and all of that other shit out of the bay area. His stuff wasn’t really better, it just blended in with the other shit that was coming out in that era. I never saw the big deal with him music wise

  • http://www.sohh.com EReal

    BXS

    You’re absoulutley correct, but what about the fact that peoples tastes in music often evolve and these older rappers still wanna rap like its 1981.
    I think in general listeners of rap, and I mean ME lol, tend to lean twords what they listened to in their prime or grew up to and use that as a meter for todays music.
    In my case I grew up with NWA, Cube, Dre, Wu, Pac, Big, Dre, Jay, Nas ect. Those artists I still listen to and respect. I still respect Cube’s grind, and I still rock Dre and I bought the Method and Red but my newer tastes tend to lean both left and right. I do a little underground a lil backpack, and rap music. As far as hiphop, I rock wit Nonphixion, Swollen, anyone on battleaxe or babygrande, arsonists, immortal technique, and as far as newer, I think this cat Termanology can spit.
    As far as Rap goes, I tend to lean twords Aftermath, but I like a lil B.G., T.I., Chamill, Joell, Ect.

    I saw a throwback joint the other day on 106 that was “locked up” by Akon.
    WTF?
    These younger cats that grew up in the Cash Money/No limit era after Death Row but Before Aftermath really started poppin, IMO are using those artists as a meter to judge the new shit they listen to, which is why they think Wayne is the GOAT.
    There are many cases where kids get educated, go back to the begining, to see where it came from and where its going, but thats the exception to the rule because todays kids are lazy, narcissistic and have a 2 second attention span due to all the electronic distractions they have. They dont have the patience to learn what they really like or dont like, so they just like what they think they should. I.E. Whats popular.
    But even I dont bust out old KRS, Slick Rick, BDP, ect and listen to it anymore, and if those artists were to make new albums I dont know if I would check for and or like them, but I know for damn sure if Dre, or Cube, or Raekwon(my personal favorite MC DOA) drop an album Im gonna check for that.
    So IMO, it may not be disrespect, but dis-association, if you feel me.(No Weezy)

    1 hunned.

  • sojazzy

    i dnt like you….tupac cant rap? i dnt understand where you come up with this shit…and this whole post has been discussed numerous times in rock n roll, so all you people think this idiots coming up with this…”it’s better to burn out than to fade away.” ever hear of that? didnt think so

  • NOTORIOUS AGC

    so now u like tupac…and say that thank god he dead and not makin any more songs when u said u AINT LIKE ANY OF HIS SONGS….HYPOCRIT TRYING TO GET SOME RECOGNITION BY KISSIN ASS….. R.I.P. PAC!!

  • http://xxlmag kane corleone

    Why dont u ask the mothers of these 2 men and see if they’re better off dead

  • http://xxlmag kane corleone

    Who was what ? gtfo with that do u even know what THUGLIFE stands for? Next u gonna say Pac was a blood huh?Cuz u have issues with this dude Pac that u need to address,I know that its shocking and all but somewhere lil homie u need 2 draw a line,please seek help

  • http://www.xxlmag.com King Ben Whats Really Thizzin’

    Bullshit post, Billy X you suck balls (no homo). I see what your trying to say and read the same blog elswhere umpteen times. Be original and quit blaming white people for pimping blacks, they pimp themselves.

  • Christian Prz.

    Most young kids would probably claim they’d still show love for those two cats, simply ’cause they’re taught to respect their work as seen through the eyes of today, not giving a damn thought to how they’d actually think of things if they wouldn’t have their post-death fame. Intelligent and not too cynical, it’s a good point.

  • http://www.allhiphop.com Rey

    Damm, Billy…

    You’re really on your grizzle this week.

    I totally cosign this. Good post.

    UNO!

  • http://thifubar.blogspot.com ThingAlec

    I dunno, if you ask me, Big probably deserved a few more years of living.

    But i kinda agree with the first post, Nas has grown old and made a stellar album, same with Common.

  • gteach

    “The message was in the music and the message was for people to come together.”

    that’z real talk. great post billy. keep them gemz dropping.

  • BlackGenius

    I suprised but you said some real shit I can’t complain or dissagree about good shit man.

  • http://xxlmag.com Billy X. Sunday

    Notorious AGC,
    you are as lame as you are stupid. I still say Tupac was an overrated emcee, but I never denied him his iconic Hip-Hop status.

    Google the word bitchmade and then look in a mirror. Because I’m not impressed with Tupac’s flows has nothing to do with how I consider the man that he was trying to become.

    When you dislike an artistic performance that doesn’t have to correlate to you being against the artist themselves. WTF?!?

    If you are still in high school you need to sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up when I am speaking. Ya’ dig?!?

  • Pat

    man fuck them old ass fossil niggas, im all about my hustle, slinging that crack, and stacking that paper, oh and spitting shit verses!

    lol not really, but that definitely is the attitude/mindset of the youth these days.

    they dont know whats really poppin, and that’s their lost.

    keep the insightful shit coming Sunday.

  • beeyo

    I think n-breds mother left him n his daddy/older brother to pursue her dream of being a plus size model, hence all the feminist bashing. Hey n-bred, quick tell us what Thug Life actually stands for, no googling allowed.

  • ONE50

    You can’t tell a young buck nothing these days. They search sh*t on the INTERNET and learn it that way. Forget what you can teach them from experience. I remember Big and Pac when they were fresh out of the box. I can tell you, when Ready to die came out hip hop fans experience a hip hop rush. I can tell you that 2 Pac had a Luke warm fan following at first. Thug life only got big after Pac took Rap battling to a new level by calling out names. Only then did his career as a rapper started to pick up momentum. And Jay Z was two albums deep in the game until he came out with that “Streets is Watching” movie then he had that “Hard Knock Life” summer. And the rest is history. And I don’t think Nas ever got the kind of love he deserves for his work, not even when he dropped Illmatic. Present day rappers don’t have to earn their spot at the top. For whatever reason, all is needed is a young look, either natural of clean shaved (Jeezy)… You have to be you and eager to make young foolish mistakes (50 Cent). Maturity and wisdom is a nice way to get kick out of the rap race.

    I always thought there was a market for a rapper to spit about financial wisdom. Why can we have a rapper than spits about stock market tips. We all like money right? We just hear about how they spend it on sh*t that cost more than every building in my neighborhood.

    And how hard is it to tell a different story? Do every rapper have to survive a shoot out in the streets, jail time, sell drugs to feed his family, and witness his BFF die? Is that’s the rap internship or something? Can you some from a nice family, never have to sell drugs, and never witness your best-est buddy get killed and be a rapper?

    Billy X it’s fitting that they say 30′s the new 20. Cause whoever the Rap legends for the 2000s supposed to be, they will need castration, 3RD degree burns cover their body and a hole in their throat to preserve their legacy.

  • ONE50

    Big went from ashy to nasty, but he never quite mad it to classy. I wonder how many Biggie fans would’ve turn their noses up to a classy BIG?

  • May

    i would like to speak on this, since i am a young buck myself:

    i agree with billy x when he says that neither big nor pac would spit the same way as when they were in their 20s…hell, i’d be beyond embarassed if my peers were to say thay big was wack…i’d be outright upset…

    and yeah, a lot of the mainstream sh*t today is garbage, but it’s shoved into young cats’ faces every single hour of every single day…it’s to the point where it’s ingrained into the brain…and i must say that i try to resist that sh*t but it’s hard…sh*t like “rock yo hips”, “pop lock and drop it”, “the way i live” is inevitable i think…

    i know that crime mob, huey and baby boy da prince ain’t saying anything thought provoking, or even hot, but it’s like a drug, dammit! it’s junk, but ain’t nobody else hot right now, so who else is there to listen to? lil wayne? i ain’t even a big fan of his, so he’s out the question…

    the point is, it’s hard for me, as a young cat, to ignore the bullsh*t pumped on the radio & tv…and to be honest, i’m hesitant to go search for albums released when i was five years old (i’m 18 now) ‘cuz ain’t nobody else my age sharing my sentiments…so i will try…and wait for the next best thing

  • beeyo

    Ayo Luda is killin it on Law and Order right now.

  • Incilin

    In the “My comments are getting blocked” department I gota say that’s a real problem here. I don’t know if your posts or the system administrator or what, but throughout this site my comments sometimes never get posted. The werid part is it’s sorta for no reason; my last comment on this blog was me writing on how much agreed with you and that didn’t get posted.

  • mynameis

    if Pac and Big were alive hip hop wouldnt be dead and it wouldnt be garbage and just to let ya’ll know Pac is better then Big and if you dont agree with that then atleast give them both credit these xxl blogs hate on Pac 2 much

  • Dr Flav

    cosign beeyo, Luda got busy.

  • beeyo

    Saw him on The Simpsons the other day too, funny ass nigga. “Expect a call from Cap-in-da-ass Productions!”

  • beeyo

    The crazy shit is, the episode of the simpsons luda was on was about censorship, and how the government controls the media in order to influence how the public. Crazy shit for a dumbass cartoon.

  • NickeNitro

    “What artistic movement denounces teachers? What culture shows disdain for it’s elders.”

    Well, all of them, kinda. I’ve always thought it to be far, far more intelligent to question authority than to blindly follow. But seeing how the world’s ended up over history, that puts me in a very small minority.

    Although you do make valid points. Especially this part:
    “The people that control the music that is mass-produced and distributed are the type of people that put their grandmothers inside of a garage or a boiler room in their basement. They don’t value the wisdom or humanity of their elders and they have transferred this sense of disrespect into the minds of today’s rap music fans. And just like they did for jazz music and swing and Be-Bop culture, these are the same people that will determine the canon for rap music and Hip-Hop culture.”

  • rhickey

    the simpsons has been pretty topical for a while now.

    also, luda slaughtered on svu. fuck tha police! hah

  • DANJA29

    Yeah… one thing about the past is that it’s been re-written a lot lately, in order to justify an era that was once looked at as hip-hop’s “dying days”.

    I like a lot of Pac’s music, but a LOT of his shit suddnely became “classic” in peoples’ eyes once he died. As much as “All Eyez On Me” got critically ripped when it dropped, it gets universal love now like those bad reviews and lack of East Coast airplay never happened.

    Even with BIG, although he happens to be my favorite MC… it kills me now how all the “real hip-hop niggas” love him to death. If I recall correctly, he was public enemy #1 (in the underground’s eyes) by the time ’97 hit. Now you’d be hard-pressed to find someone say BIG wasn’t nice, but the hate parade started rolling out for him the minute he got that first Source cover. Had he stayed alive, “Life After Death” woulda probably be totally dismissed by the “real hip-hoppers” just off the strength of “Mo Money Mo Problems” ALONE.

    And yes, early death has preserved their standing in hip-hop. If Big Daddy Kane died before we were subjected to his early-’90s albums, people woulda sworn he was gonna run this rap shit for the duration of the decade. If Nas passed two weeks before “It Was Written” dropped, it woulda never caught the unfair flack it caught at the time and we also would’ve never seen him make records like “You Owe Me”. It’s unrealistic to speak on what Big or Pac would be doing now… who’s to say anyone would even care? Yeah, we loved them then- but if I recall, by the end of the ’90s a lot of niggas loved DMX too. Now he’s just the topic of a million crackhead jokes.

  • KPAC

    Do you and XXL mag have something against 2Pac, your fucking pathetic. You have some valid points, but it doesn’t give you a right to go trash someones legacy. You and a couple of other people think you know everything because your older. My 2 cents Pac would be acting more and left rap alone, don’t know much about big.

  • beeyo

    Well, alotta people still love X. But he trainwrecked himself. Biggie had plans for his own label and clothing line. Pac had a career in movies for sure. What if Pac died, but Biggie didn’t? Would Jay be where he is? What if Big died, and Pac lived? What if the sky was orange?

  • Content

    You know you look foolish deleting people’s post. This is an internet blog…stop catching feelings.
    Email me if you aern’t confident enough to discuss your insecurities in front of your clevery molded panel.

  • James Bond

    Man,

    There are a lot of stupid people in this world.

    Why do you all have computers?

  • http://xxlmag.com Billy X. Sunday

    Content,
    You are a bitch. Otherwise you would have read my comment in this thread about deleting comments. I will e-mail you though…

    TO POOP ON YOU!

  • kayos

    UMMMMM LL IS NOT 40. just cuz that man has been out for 20+ years, doesnt make him 40. he is only like 38 or 39.

  • http://yahoo.com yacksippa

    hey i thought this was a fuckin rap mag site

    rite r wrong kill your fuckin self it’s muthatfuckas like you that over think shit to tha point it passes sense and falls into the
    slot of being total bullshit

    and big aint tha best rapper ever you ass holes

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    Content Says:

    May 23rd, 2007 at 7:11 am
    You know you look foolish deleting people’s post. This is an internet blog…stop catching feelings.
    Email me if you aern’t confident enough to discuss your insecurities in front of your clevery molded panel.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    lmao…all Billy does is call people names…like a 4th grader…he the type that hang with younger people and the green just so he can feel some what good about himself…

  • teddy

    this shit never posts my comments

  • Tyler

    Bol & your people. . . Your post & list make it quite clear ‘dat U guys are smoking Crack. . Say no 2 drugs.
    Lose Yo Mind At:
    http://www.myspace.com/marcusorealiusmusic
    http://www.myspace.com/marcmaysrockandrollthug

  • R.C.

    one50:Can you some from a nice family, never have to sell drugs, and never witness your best-est buddy get killed and be a rapper… that’s Kanye & Pharrell!!
    let’s ask Beans how he feels about them

  • tzadek

    you bring up the point that before the current rap era age didnt matter, but the only problem is that this obsession with the age of an artist only really became a fixture after tupac and biggie. before you could be a venerable brother in the game, but once big and pac got shot everyone shoved them up on a pedestal and they became the unreachable example of brilliant careers cut short: only the good die young, and if you didnt die young, you arent good. you even brought the point up yourself when you mentioned how he couldve evolved and grown, and people really do judge pac and big on what they COULDVE become. but honestly, if they had survived and evolved as we imagine they couldve, we might be looking at an entirely different scene. pac could be going quintuple platinum at age 36 for all we know, and its impossible to gauge how the modern hip-hop world would exist if two of the biggest events dictating its current shape had never happened.

    and just on a side note, age isnt always the big handicap that it seems: ghostface is 37 and he dropped the hottest album of 2006 – twice. hell even busta hit #1 and hes 35.

  • http://wtf.com wtf?

    your saying “thank god they are dead”… yo xxl writers are a bunch of crack heads man. all you fuckers can do is hate. yeah THANK GOD TUPAC AND BIG ARE DEAD.. I MUCH RATHER DO THE MOTOR BIKE TO THE ROCK VERSION OF “THIS IS WHY IM HOT”

  • Omar

    ICE CUBE IZ STILL BALLIN’

  • X’ Prime

    I think I get your point you mean you wouldn’t like to see them with a white beard and walking with a stick or rolling in a wheel chair. I wouldn’t like to see Bob Marley at his 70′s still doing reggae I’m happy to keep in my head that young face as well for tupac. but nowadays rap is dumb….This is why I’m hot this is why this is why I’m hot, the guy isn’t from the ghetto he’s already rich and who gives a fuck if he’s hot or cold…we need real guys like Pac and Biggie