Why Do Hip-Hop Bloggers Hate Women?

There have been two divergent streams of thought buzzing around my head regarding Hip-Hop music.

1. The ridiculous censorship issue which will only cause artist to create a new word for ho.

2. The Hip-Hop project initiated by Joey from Staright Bangin’ in which we list our favorite Hip-Hop albums from 1 to 25.

These two issues reconnect when you look at the albums that people have selected. None of these lists that I have seen featured have a female artist’s album. Albeit some lists contain Digable Planets and the Fugees work, but no one even mentioned Lauryn Hill’s ‘Miseducation’ which might be the greatest Hip-Hop album evar in front of ‘Illmatic’, ‘Only Built For Cuban Links’ and ‘Ready To Die’.

What are some of the reasons for the blackout against Lauryn and her female counterparts? Is rap music just a bastion for old boy recidivism? Are rap fan’s being programmed to hate women’s contributions? Do female emcees generally suck tits? Even though the answer to all these questions above is yes I still feel like there is a sinister plot in the works. I told you before that Hip-Hop, like humanity, can not survive without women. And even though there are tons of women in content decision making positions throughout Hip-Hop it remains the responsibility of the consumer, the listener and the fan to put this ship on the right course.

Bigger than the word ho is the theme that women have little to no use other than to be objectified and consumed. This has to be replaced with the idea that women are warriors. The Black Panther party was totally progressive with this idea. Next, men have to simultaneously become dependent of their wombs. Too many men still live with their mother in a modern day Oedipal circle where they remain dependent of the womb for nurturing (hopefully not in the form of breastmilk, because that would just be wrong).

When a man grows up he can be relieved of his childhood notions that a girl can be beat up in the schoolyard. He has to be able to see that a woman bears his seed and still marches on the path alongside him. This is pretty elevated thinking in general to consider women your equal but it is the only way to counter the programming of patriarchy and capitalism that abounds throughout American culture. We as men have to recognize and be active in empowering women. I read Tara’s article this morning and I feel a little bad for her because she has become used to wearing the t-shirt that reads “Victim”. Everyone should go to her blog today and tell her that they love her and they love women.

Especially Bol and Noz. They are the president and vice-president of the He-Man Women Haters Club.

  • Mr im always 1st

    1ST AGAIN N AGAIN N AGAIN

  • KingFred

    I couldn’t agree with u more my man

  • N.O. 4 life

    Women rappers since i’ve been listening to hip hop have been all about sex sex sex.I really dont wanna hear a chick I’ll never meet talk about how she can swallow a entire sprite bottle for an hour….that new chick seems to have a whole lotta potential if she leaves that lip gloss alone…but i still would prefer lip gloss over ANY trina written rap…..again we should blame the people who get new artists because we get the same product over and over….lauryn hill CD was cold but you can’t consider really rap can you?

  • http://xxlmag.com Billy X. Sunday

    N.O.,
    If 3000′s album ‘Love Below’ is considered Hip-Hop why isn’t Lauryn Hill’s joint given the same consideration?

  • A.Cambry

    Sunday, if you never read this or hear it from any other woman, I really appreciated this article.

  • Cyrano

    One day the human rights of women will be recognized. But it must begin with a HUGE educational program for people in America and across the world to understand the discrimination against women in every aspect of life (social, polictical, cultural, socio-economic, etc) and how this discrimination has been the basis of patriarchal societies across the world forever. Only then can anyone possibly understand the under-appreciation of women’s contributions to society and begin to reflect this appreciation through laws, social policies, and cultural customs.

    A lot of female hip-hop sucks. A lot of male hip-hop sucks… even stuff on the radio currently. But, the market in our society appreciates the “male voice” more than the “female voice”. And, the female voice has not been developed yet as it has been stifled for so long. It actually doesn’t know how to shine thru without be ing in the shawdow of male norms and forms of discourse.

    I’m a guy. But I understand this… like I understand discrimination against African Americans and other minorities even beyond the U.S. borders. We need really REALLY intense educational programs on the local, national and international levels to modify these cultural norms and practices.

  • http://www.Myspace.com/LoveCyrano Cyrano

    This all goes back to the lack of recognition/protection of women’s human rights… their economic, social, cultural and political rights. One day the human rights of women will be recognized. But it must begin with a HUGE educational program for people in America and across the world to understand the discrimination against women in every aspect of life (social, polictical, cultural, socio-economic, etc) and how this discrimination has been the basis of patriarchal societies across the world FOREVER! Only then can anyone possibly understand the under-appreciation of women’s contributions to society and culture and begin to reflect a new found appreciation through laws, social policies, and cultural customs.

    A lot of female hip-hop sucks. A lot of male hip-hop sucks… even stuff on the radio currently. But, the market in our society appreciates the “male voice” more than the “female voice”. And, the female voice has not been developed yet as it has been stifled for so long. It actually doesn’t know how to shine thru without be ing in the shawdow of male norms and forms of discourse.

    I’m a guy. But I understand this… like I understand discrimination against African Americans and other minorities even beyond the U.S. borders. We need really REALLY intense educational programs on the local, national and international levels to modify these cultural norms and practices.

  • Ronnie Friday

    BS, didn’t DP list Hardcore on his 25?

  • ray

    awww billy got all the hoe’s on him

  • http://king-mag.com Huey P. Langston

    Billy, are you implying the reason there is no Grammy for best female rap album is because of the way men do not give women the artistic respect they deserve? If so, I agree, but only partially. Half, if not most, of this problem falls on the shoulders of women. Queen Latifah was such a necessary force in the realm of female rap, but chose to go the Will mith route instead. Lil Kim wants to be a diva, which is the anti-thesis of hip-hop and Lauryn Hill went ape-shit because her writers (who were male) felt cheated out of their just due. So please homie, if women want to be more respected in the game they need to look at themselves before they look at me. Don’t save them Billy. They don’t want to be saved.

  • My Effin’ Opinion

    > “but no one even mentioned Lauryn Hill’s ‘Miseducation’ which might be the greatest Hip-Hop album evar in front of ‘Illmatic’, ‘Only Built For Cuban Links’ and ‘Ready To Die’”

    ^^^^^^

    BS, Do your Boy BOL a favor and send him a copy of this album, cuz to date, he’s never heard it and that’s just a bad look all-around for a Hip Hop blogger

    Decent Post BTW (shoot me summa dat excess poon cuz after this post, you gonna have plenty to spare)

  • http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/cleanguns2 RJB is Zilla Rocca

    The last female MC whose album I bought was Mystic like 5-6 years ago. She had that banging joint “The Life” that was later used in a Budweiser ad or something. Her album was really dope, mature and thoughtful but got zero push, except one joint with Planet Asia that was somehow nominated for a Grammy.

  • yaboy

    dont be a gaykid

  • Were Read 2 Def

    >If 3000’s album ‘Love Below’ is considered Hip-Hop why isn’t Lauryn Hill’s joint given the same consideration?

    ^Word!

  • Bayboy

    Ya know there are plenty of raw, skilled, UNDERGROUND female Mc’s that are grimy and get props in their regions. Sex sells and that’s why all the mainstream female artists are weak.

  • beeyo

    Tara’s gonna be fine, I don’t think Canadian rappers are as mysoginistic as American ones.
    And Billy, a few posts ago weren’t you calling 80s babies bitchmade (bitchmade referring to not having a strong male influence) thereby leaving us with our mothers who had to suck nuts just to fill our lunchsacks with peanutbutter sammiches?
    Yeah…..
    You gotta stop drinkin b4 you write these posts homeboy.
    Foreal though, good shit on this post. I don’t know if you’re just tryin to get some butt with this, or actually teach us young’ns respect for the females, but either way, good for you.

  • cormega for president

    females in this game are a non-issue and should’nt be discussed until they can come with some good material. We do not give asians, hispanics, homosexuals,etc. any attention because they have not come with any good artist. Women should get the same treatment if they can’t come up with anything good let us not pay any attention to them. and just for the record the black panther party was sexist they shit was all talk.

  • Bayboy

    What rappers Canada got? Terrence and Phillip?

  • Rizzop

    I love the ladies as well, but they’re some that just make women look bad…..From false rap accusations to poking holes in condoms and kickig the guy in his dick and taking his last red cent. Some bitches aint shit…Just being real (of course that doesnt mean stick them all in the same basket. But at the same time, isnt it the same thing when all men are considered dogs and cheats?) Dont mean to hate on ya captain save a hoe parade though…

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    Silly Sally, this was a sorry attempt at kissing females azz. Men are the leaders of the Earth. We lead the way. I for one would not buy a female rappers album. Why? Beacuse she is attempting to be a man and do what we do. Lauryn i will listen to because she is approaching hip hop as a woman should. Da Brat, Shawanna, Remy Martin, Lil Kim, Trina, etc…are not. The problem is we are not playing our roles as God intended. The woman wants to be the sun and not the moon. Why? Because the sun’s presence is felt and recognized. No one pays attention to the moon. However they both play important roles. If the woman is busy trying to be the sun and not playing her role as the moon, then things get out of order. See where I am going with this…

  • ONE50

    good blog my brother

  • http://xxlmag.com shawn

    alot of people respect women, but when they appear in sex tapes, like the chick in the mike jones one (sohh.com got it) it makes u wonder about them. some women says “we aint no hoes” at the same time smile for the camera as random niggas fuck ‘em. the proof is all on film

  • NoMamesBuey

    I don’t understand how the “TI” music execs will even promote ONE FEMALE MC WITH SKILLS.

    Jean Grae is
    1 a top-tier lyrical MC. She would Schiavo most mainstream MCs. Yes Wayne Staynes, Jean Grae >>> Little Wayne

    2 has a variety of subject matter

    3 Happens to be an attractive woman (but does not dress half naked)

    Why can’t the TIs see that they’ll make more money with an actual lyrical & positive MC (Grae), than the 101st mediocre “trap” rapper

  • DefineMc

    Billy…i wonder….are u really me? or am i you?

    u keep writing my thoughts….

    I AM BILLY SUNDAY…………B( cant say it..but it rhymes with riches )

  • dng

    If if you wanna blame somebody I personally think Lil Kim dumb ass fucked it up for every female rapper on the planet. I mean every since Hardcore came out every female rapper been tryin to pull the mafuckin Im in control of my sexuality so i can talk about gettin my pussy ate until my til 3 A.M. shit and then the bitches be hurt when we call em hoes and shit. Everything is all fucked up around here

  • http://www.myspace.com/enigmasept MR. FATSO

    Some of yall dudes are some real whackjobs. One dude said the only female rappers he’s ever heard only talk about sex. Obviously this guy is 16 yrs old and didn’t start listening to rap until 2001. This other dude broke down only three female rappers like Lyte, Salt n Pepa, Heather B or Jean Grae never existed, ok. Then some other dude said we should basically ignore the moon aka females..WOW! Anyway, shouts out to da dude that spoke on Mystic, I bought that album too and it was dope. She was sexy too, in a hippie sorta way. Anyway, females always spit harder to me. Not in a ‘gangsta-hard’ way but they spit with more determination (no homo on all that). It’s kinda like Eminem. He knew he had to come with it because of his skin color. So its just a shame that people sleep on Shawwna or Jean Grae because they ARE better than 95% of the rap game out. Plus Lauryn Hill is in my personal top five best rappers of all time..even if she hadn’t spit lyrics in almost a decade (minuse the reunion fiasco)
    1)Biggie 2)Dre (tie) 2)Big Boi (tie) 4) Lauryn Hill 5) Eminem

    It’s whateva!

  • The Spaniard

    I don’t rate any female MC’s that high because I haven’t heard any worthy material up to this point to make me do so. Is this an inherent bias against women or an inherent lack of ability by women? It’s neither.

    By the way, Jean Grae would indeed ether most mainstream MCs is absoulutely right

  • Thee Imperial Grand CEE

    I just don’t relate to females but there are some dope female emcees out there. I think Remy is the best female emcee to touch the mic, if you ask me. Jean Grae is nice too. It’s not that dudes hate women or nothin it’s just that a dude can’t relate to a chicks swag. Same thing with female R&B Artists, what the hell does it look like when you see a dude blasting the latest Beyonce record from his SUV??……LOL………..Yall understand.

  • http://xxlmag.com willz101

    due to how rap is based around an mc’s perspective of life.female mc’s have a female perspective it’s then harder for me and male rap fans to appreciate their lyrical content when the majority of thei experioence i have not felt ,or believe in.Therefore it should be female fans who rally to big up other female mc’s.But by rating a women as a woman its such a catty environment.Espically if some content is sexually related , coz no women wants people to know their a freak,or condone the HO like tendencies some of the female mc’s have.

  • SukedowN

    Women = The G.O.A.T.

  • what up kicko?

    Lauren Hill is butt. Next Question.

  • Jayson Greene

    “Silly Sally, this was a sorry attempt at kissing females azz. Men are the leaders of the Earth. We lead the way. I for one would not buy a female rappers album. Why? Beacuse she is attempting to be a man and do what we do. Lauryn i will listen to because she is approaching hip hop as a woman should. Da Brat, Shawanna, Remy Martin, Lil Kim, Trina, etc…are not. The problem is we are not playing our roles as God intended. The woman wants to be the sun and not the moon. Why? Because the sun’s presence is felt and recognized. No one pays attention to the moon. However they both play important roles. If the woman is busy trying to be the sun and not playing her role as the moon, then things get out of order. See where I am going with this… ”

    Wow. Not only do you write some of the worst rap lyrics on the planet, you’re also a complete, cancerous asshole. Congrats, DJ D-Bag … you are officially the most ignorant person to comment on the XXL site. Which you know is saying a whole, whole lot.

    …I’m expecting a response making use of the word “faggot” in keeping with the monkey-shit-flinging tone of this web site….

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    Hey you…yeah you…uhhhh Fatso character…what I said obviously went over your head…mentioning the great white hope took away any weight (not much) your statement held, off

    Mystic is hella dope…I have her album…we need more of that in hip hop…she approaches this ish in the appropriate manner…NOT SHAWANNA…

  • tseliot

    sorry, but noz sonned you with his post, both in accuracy and rhetoric.

  • http://blogs.hiphopdx.com/meka Meka Soul

    >Silly Sally, this was a sorry attempt at kissing females azz. Men are the leaders of the Earth. We lead the way. I for one would not buy a female rappers album. >

    racists and dwayne carter concubines have that same mentality.

  • http://www.akirathedon.com AK DONOVAN

    CHURCH!

    Sunday is right again.

    @!

  • http://www.myspace.com/illeaglethemc Ill Eagle the MC

    Lovely post…

    Also, I chuckled at the end, because I just recorded a song by the name

    He-Man Woman Haters Club….

  • thoreauly77

    man ncred, you are such a disappointing person.

  • Bang

    I’d bang Tara

  • Pancho

    NoMamesBuey Says:

    April 25th, 2007 at 11:49 am
    I don’t understand how the “TI” music execs will even promote ONE FEMALE MC WITH SKILLS.

    Jean Grae is
    1 a top-tier lyrical MC. She would Schiavo most mainstream MCs. Yes Wayne Staynes, Jean Grae >>> Little Wayne

    2 has a variety of subject matter

    3 Happens to be an attractive woman (but does not dress half naked)

    Why can’t the TIs see that they’ll make more money with an actual lyrical & positive MC (Grae), than the 101st mediocre “trap” rapper

    ^^^^Sorry to break it to you…but what sells in this indusrty?

    Sex.

    Who can showcase sex better than anyone?

    Women.

    it’s sad, but female rappers whose content is all about suck this, fuck him, my neck and my back shit….that content will always sell more than that of a female mc’s lyrical content.

    That is a main reason why it’s rare to have a classic hiphop album by a female bestowed upon us.

    Jean Grae is the sh*t, don’t get me wrong…but unfortunately she won’t sell becasue the TI’s want to make the most $$$, and her content won’t allow them to make the $$$ they want to make.

    Oh…Miseducation of Lauryn Hill is a monster…just becasue it’s intended for women doesn’t mean that men can’t listen to it.

  • NoMamesBuey

    ^Pancho agreed in general, however I think that with “no woman with skills & not naked” MCs on the mainstream market, ONE would sell gold off of the “uniqueness” of it.

    Kanye sold a lot, part of it was he had a unique steez WITHIN the mainstream.

    There is some audience left that doesn’t want to hear the 101st mediocre “trapper”

  • FLIP

    no one even mentioned Lauryn Hill’s ‘Miseducation’ which might be the greatest Hip-Hop album evar in front of ‘Illmatic’, ‘Only Built For Cuban Links’ and ‘Ready To Die’.
    ———————————————–

    I stopped reading here.

  • http://www.brooklynbodega.com bodega james

    i was just thinking about what a shit i was for not including lyte as a rock in my top 25. damn.

  • http://www.myspace.com/sinistahmoneybagz Sinistah aka Sin Piff

    Hate women??

    shit dat gotta be most ass-backwards, oxymoronic, pro-homo shit i done read since dudes was posting text of Lil Wayne and Baby defend kissing each other.

    I LOVE PUSSY AND PUSSY LOVES ME

    but remember kiddies, as the great Nas/Nastradamous/Nas-Daq Dow-Jones/Nas Escobar/Nasty Nas/Kid Wave/whateva he is 2day once said “Pussy Killz”

    Be Safe, Strap Up………

  • http://officialhiphop.blogspot.com JOE CASTRO

    Of all the posts written today dealing with women in music, this was the most insightful.

    I think even though hip hop was created to counter mainstream ideology (i.e. you need an instrument to make music), alot of the wrong elements from the mainstream still found its way into the culture. There was nothing strange back in the day to see bboys AND bgirls uprocking in the street; but as the corporations got more of a grasp on the culture, most of the less sexy elements (read less marketable/profitable) were pushed to the rear. And with that came the ideologies that hip hop tried to fend off for so long.

    I hate to blame the majority of hip hop’s ills on the corporate dudes, but once damn near every commercial started having an underlying theme of hip hop to sell ‘stuff’ to the hip hop generation, it became harder to not place blame on them. The larger problem is that the market has been saturated, and soon faces oversaturation. When every label went out in hunt of the typical thug rapper/crew, after this cookie-cutting proved to be successful mind you, they still to this day can’t understand why nobody’s buying records.

    Nobody’s taking chances on artists anymore (not just female rappers, but intelligent male rappers also); not labels, definitely not radio (unless you paying them), and not the magazines.

    And to answer the question posed by the title, hip hop bloggers usually hate everything; yet somehow we all think that makes us unique.

    Another thought provoking entry Billy.

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  • http://www.myspace.com/sinistahmoneybagz Sinistah aka Sin Piff

    i agree with Joe Castro’s post

  • BIGNAT

    Lauryn Hill’s album didn’t make the list because it’s a good album but it has alot of songs i skip. personally it would be in my top 50 to me but not top 25. another reason it’s not up here most of the bloggers are guys. i have the album and one other of my male friends has it and thats about it. now compare that to ready to die almost all the people i know male and female have it. Lauryn Hill’s cd is mostly owned by females most of my female friends have it. even my mom bought her album she was asking me a couple months ago what happened to the fugees. i said wycelf gets paid ms hill went crazy and pras i think i seen him cleaning widshields down on jamaica ave.

  • opinion

    Why is it wrong when women talk about sex but men talk about sex all the time? Thats so biast. Can someone answer that?

  • opinion

    Oh Shawnna and remy got the female rp game on lock.

  • N.O. 4 life

    ^^^^^^
    Billy X.

    who really sat down to consider if the love below was rap?….. if it was put to the test it would prolly suffer the same fate as Lauryn Hill’s CD…..and if my memory serves me right i think thats why in xxl mag it only got the “XL” instead of the classic stamp

  • http://junglemission.blogspot.com jimmy starburst

    how many times does lauryn hill actually rap on ‘miseducation’? 8?

  • BklynBandette

    Joe Castro Got It Down To A Science. He’s Accurate.

  • http://officialhiphop.blogspot.com JOE CASTRO

    If heads don’t count Lauryn’s album as hip hop, then you can’t count a lot of the early hip hop stuff as hip hop neither… yea dudes were rapping, but there was a whole lot of damn harmonizing to go along with that.

    Can we not count Melle Mel as hip hop? ‘White Lines’ had a lot in common with disco is all I’m saying. I think Lauryn’s album solidified her status as an artist, rather than just showcasing her skills as a hot emcee.

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  • http://sintalentos.blogspot.com/ dan

    For every finger that points at someone, three fingers point back at the pointer. Meaning, if we actually want to make hip hop just and equal (e.g., a space where both men and women are not being simply consumed or objectified), then our entire community must take an active part — this is an all-hands-on-deck effort. If you’re interested, Jeff Chang and Dave Zirin listed a few other ways to reach out: http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-zirin23apr23,0,3088270.story?coll=la-opinion-rightrail

  • http://sintalentos.blogspot.com/ dan

    And, for the record, MC Lyte’s Eyes on This and Lyte as a Rock. Not the most consistent albums, but the good tracks are very good…

  • EReal

    Do female emcees generally suck tits?
    ^^^^^^^
    Yes. Because they are mostly dikes. In which case they should be considered male rappers.
    Mc Butch.

    Most female mcs only talk about spending money and suckin dicks. The ones that dont, I.E. Jean Grae, Remy Ma(sometimes), dont sell.

    1 hunned.

  • Willy Snyder

    Lauryn Hill’s album may be good, but it’s more R&B than hiphop. Also, the selection of female albums is incredibly disproportionately small compared to thier male counterparts. Jean Grae and Rah Digga aside, there are no female MC’s with any visibility promoting themselves as women instead of ho’s to this generation. It’s not that MC Lyte’s albums were bad, it’s just that there have been 25 male albums BETTER. you won’t see a R&B best of list without just as many, if not more, women artists because there are an equal amount of them as artists, and they promote themselves as equals as well. If more women put out albums talking about more than how many dicks they tasted, then more albums would be on the list. after all, few people put bullshit like 2 live crew on best of lists.

  • heather

    thank you

  • tim

    I’d rather hear a woman sing r&b than hip hop. Hip hop lyrics you try to identify with personally whether you are angry, happy, or just chilling etc. whatever your mood is its easier for a man to identify with a mans point of view. R&b is someone singing sexy music, which personally I’d rather have SWV in my player than boys II men for that reason. I like having women sing sexy to me, and I have an easier time identifying with a male rapper. No disrespect to classic groups like tlc and salt n pepa though

  • Rozell

    Trina once said in a rap song that there ain’t nan bitch that sold more ass than her. If that’s the case she should be rich now why she broke now if she sold more ass than any bitch……….LOL