Why do hip-hop bloggers hate 2Pac?

As I was finishing my list of the 25 best rap albums evar the other day, it occurred to me that a few of the d-bags in the comments section would probably throw a bitch-fit because there weren’t any 2Pac albums on it. Hence my little quip about Digital Undergrounds Sex Packets being the closest ‘Pac would make it to my list.

Here’s the thing: obviously none of ‘Pac’s 49 or however many albums qualified for my top 25 list; but even if said list was expanded to include, say, 100 albums, I’m not sure if any ‘Pac albums would make it. Put simply, I don’t ever recall there being a really good 2Pac album. Call me crazy.

And I’m not the only one. That cracka-ass cracka Noz’ list was expanded to include 50 albums, and there wasn’t a single 2Pac album. And it was the same story on several of the other lists I’ve read in the past couple of weeks.

So what gives? Is the hip-hop blogosphere nothing but a buncha haters, or was 2Pac really just not that good? Both? I think I kinda already gave up my stance on this issue, but bear with me.

This weekend, I went back and listened to some 2Pac to make sure my racism wasn’t clouding my good judgment, which is entirely possible. Obviously there isn’t enough time in a weekend to listen to everything the guy recorded, especially when you have to bust several shifts that The Day Job, but I figured I’d check out Me Against the World, which is a lot of people’s favorite ‘Pac album.

Wow, what a shite sandwich of an album.

If I had it to do over again, I probably would’ve spent the extra hour that it takes to listen to All Eyez on Me, since that’s the one that’s 8x popular. Or maybe I could have just watched the video for “California Love” on YouTube and pretended as if I had actually listened to All Eyez on Me. What’s an little white lie between friends?

For the record, I heard Me Against the World, All Eyez on Me, and Makaveli back when they were new, and not so much recently. I’ve yet to hear the first two, which aren’t as well regarded as those three, or any of those bullshit-ass posthumous albums, and hopefully I never will. Obviously I don’t qualify as an expert on the guy’s work, but I figure I know enough of it to know whether or not it’s any good.

Listening to Me Against the World this weekend, it occurred to me that ‘Pac must not have spent very much time on it. I’m aware that he only spent three days recording the Makavel album. (It took another four days to mix, hence “The 7 Day Theory.”) And obviously he couldn’t have spent much time working on All Eyez on Me, since it arrived in stores a mere matter of weeks after he was released from prison.

But you have to wonder how much better any of those albums would be if he did spend more time on them. Though it’s generally regarded as 2Pac at his most introspective, nothing about Me Against the World suggests to me that ‘Pac was any more thoughtful a rapper than, say, Master P. In fact, those last few 2Pac albums were obviously a blueprint for all of those shitty No Limit albums that followed in their wake.

I’m not saying that’s ‘Pac’s fault. I’m just saying.

  • ICE MIC “800″

    Good point Bol but I still think Makaveli belongs in top 25

  • http://jasonekirk.blogspot.com brick cheney

    Soo what is it that you hate about Pac, then? His albums sound rushed… but were they poorly written? Bad beats? Yes, tons of terrible beats, ignore that one. Not spat well? What’s the major issue?

    But what do I know; Killuminati is by far my favorite Pac album, so…

  • YungFree

    2Pac is the G.O.A.T he was not only a great rapper but he spoke 4 the people

    • 2Pac

      yo I was a garbage rapper but a tight actor. holleywood ass pac is what yall need to call me. peace.

      -pac

  • thoreauly77

    i think its refreshing that people are finally starting to talk about tupac’s crappiness instead of his legacy as being an extremely prolific schizoid asshole. i don’t think i made any sense here but i don’t care because i might still be drunk from work last night.

  • Fin

    The fact that Pac recorded so much material, to me, is the reason why he’s both so loved and reviled. Dude recorded thousands of songs, statistically that leaves a lot of shit sandwiches out there, at the same time everyone can find at least 3 Pac songs that they love.

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    wow…I want you to take your time and listen to Makaveli…then come on here and say that album isn’t top 10…maybe you dont like Pac b/c he opposes people like you…maybe you are judging based on the surface and cant really appreciate/understand Pac’s perspective and how real he was…Pac was a true free spirit…he spoke with passion and insight…

  • these posts are racist

    Wow. I mean, wow. File this under the category of the sky is not blue and grass is not green. This is the opposite of reality. Tupac is an amazing rapper, the greatest of all time. I don’t even know what criteria you are using, other than simply stating what you believe to be true. What’s your basis?

    • nah, this post is the TRUTH

      Pac’s lyrics were terrible. His beats SUCKED except for a few singles (“California Love” is Dre’s best beat, so he gets outta jail free for that one). He was also a rapist, but then he died and got made a saint, just like John Lennon, also an asshole-made-saint-through-assassination.

  • john cochran

    I’ve never been a big fan of Pac’s music. Im more a fan of the man and what he did for our culture. Theres plenty of classic songs, but I have yet to like a Pac album all way through, especailly a posthumous one. But you can say the same for Uncle L. He’s had single after single, but who listens to a whole ll cool j cd?

  • stoneyisland

    Where do people keep getting this he spoke for the people bullshit? Tupac didnt speak for me, the nigga for all his grand creativity died broke. The brother sold over 20 millions CD but didnt take care of his business like a real man. He let Suge pimp him ofr 25 cent on the dollar, the cars and home he thought he owned, Suge owned. As a MC Pac doesnt even make my top 20, all of his raps are elementary at best, to say that he could even carry Biggies jock strap as a lyricist is retarded. A lot of dis-infranchised blacks say he was speaking for all the troubled and poor folk which is a bunch of uneducated bullshit. For every good thing that Pac did and I am sure there were a lot of things, he will always be remembered as that fool spitting at camera and acting a clown in court. The worst part is Tupac could have been so much more than just a rapper, he could have been a triple threat in hollywood and used his fame to push for caused that were dear to his heart, but for whatever reason he associated himself with fucked up people, but again I cant blame Suge for Tupacs demise, after all as a man we make our own decisions. Bol, I salute your punk ass becasue for a change you are absolutely fucking correct.

  • these posts are racist

    I predict this will have more comments than any other post you or anyone else has ever written…Why did I fall into BOL’s trap?

    RIP, the greatest rapper ever, Tupac Shakur

  • ThingAlec

    I cant help but agree with you. And yet dissagree. Pac is officially the most overrated rapper evar. And yet I think at least one of his albums deserves to be on a top 25 list; maybe All Eyez on Me. My top 25 (which was concieved and finished way before any other blogger decided to do one) dosent revolve around just my tasted. It’s judged by sales, reviews, hype, influence, lyricsm, and beats. And when all those fail, my personal opinion. Two of Pac’s albums made the list. Makaveli at #19 and All Eyez on me at #12. I can pretty much say they made those positions because well most people think Pac is hip-hop’s Elvis. And maybe i should’ve pushed AEOM to maybe #22 and kicked Makaveli off completely and replace it with Ressurrection. Come to think of it; why the hell didnt i do that? I probly should re-re-redraft the list.

    • wha cant belive the 2pachate

      Wow

      NUMBER 1 RAP/HIP HOP ALBUM OF ALL TIME IS …………..

      ME AGAINST THE WORLD.

  • thecollinb

    Tupac was a tool, nothing prolific about any of his lyrics……..Brenda had a Baby, so the fuck what, so did my mom, big fucking Deal….All Eyez on Me, me too nigga when I go buy Liquor at the Asia Mart on the corner.
    he didnt make the list cause he didnt make quality music, bottom line

    • wells

      look up prolific in the dictionary man

  • ThingAlec

    And for the record, Pac’s albums werent made very well either. For example I got All Eyez on Me as a b-day present a few years back, and the tracklisting in the booklet was all of. The order was like, 1,2,3,4,6,11,7,17,10,9,8. Wtf?

  • Hip Hop since 79′

    Bol, I would have to agree with you. He wouldn’t make my top 100. And I owned All Eyez On Me.

  • http://xxlmag.com Tupac alias Makevelli

    I kno wat I did so fuck you Bol.I was and still am the hardest working rapper out there thug life!!Suge shot me.I can’t rap but I can kick your fat ass!!1996 4 eva Pac is the ruler bow down 2 sumthin greater than urself trick.!

  • Combat Jack

    Well, it’s not like I didn’t call this shit out like two years ago to the effin day!!!

    http://www.byroncrawford.com/2005/05/tupac_is_way_ov.html

  • Combat Jack

    Well, it’s not like I didn’t call this shit out, like two years ago to the effin day:

    http://www.byroncrawford.com/2005/05/tupac_is_way_ov.html

  • BNW

    i can understand him not being appreciated since his style has become the “blueprint” for what all rappers aspire to be. the difference is he didn’t have to pretend or have publicity stunts for “street cred”. rappers today are alot like every puff daddy song that’s a hit, it’s already been done better by somebody else.

  • http://www.xxlmag.com King Ben

    Kick Yourself in your balls for not putting Makaveli on that list. Makavali stamped his legacy period. I first heard that shit and said WOW. He defined truth and meanig with that album thats pure Pac on some dope beats FIRE! And Pac is not even on my top 5 nor my favorite rapper but we are talking albums and that shit is how to make an album, and in 7 days HA! HA! SHITTIN’ ON RAPPERS!

  • john cochran

    stoneyisland YOU HYPE AS SHIT. THE MAN IS TALKIN BOUT HIS ALBUMS, NOT THE MAN AS A ERSON. DONT USE THIS AS A FORUM TO SPIT HATE AT THE MAN’S GRAVE.

  • http://yahoo.com yacksippa

    r u retarded listen to me aginst the world why do they have you on this site is it just to piss pepole off? but on 2nd thought there have been a lot of good hip hop albums but out of fifty of the greatest pac has got to have one so you can eat shit and die bitch

  • http://ohstewardess.blogspot.com Ace

    On the real, I’m feeling you. Tupac never was that hot to me either. People always bring him up in discussions about hip-hop and I’m just not getting it. My boy was always listening to Pac, and I just couldn’t get into it. Tupac: officially most overrated rapper in the game because he’s still alive.

  • http://www.myspace.com/ambassadaradio A-WEST

    U GOTTA BE STUPID, NOT HAVE LISTEN OR NOT LOVE PAC, THE MOST INFLUENTIAL RAPPER EVR! THE BALCK ELVIS, ONE MAN THAT EVABODY WANTS TO SEEL ALIVE!
    SO WUT IF HE RUSHED A ALBBUM, HIS RUSHED MATERIAL IS BETTER THAN HALF THE ALBUMS THATS HAVE CAME OUT SICE HE DIED, AND UNTIL THE DAY OF TIME AND BETTER DYAZ ARE TWO OF THE RAWEST CDS EVER!

  • yung ceasa

    This wouldn’t bother me so much if it wasn’t for the fact that Big is undoubtedly in the top 5. I’m glad he was inspiring, but I can hardly understand the shit he says. He was, in no way, a good rapper. 2 pac, also inspiring, intelligent, enthusiastic, introspective. This just doesn’t make sense.

  • Three4

    I think that Pac was a great artist but he released 2 much material in stead of making a few classics. 2 Pac has made more good rap songs than most of the popular artists in the game. 2 Pac was also more of a poet than a rapper in my opinion. Me Against the World was really good but not a classic…

  • xxxxl

    1st.

  • http://xxlmag.com Tupac alias Makevelli

    i am gay

  • http://xxlmag.com Tupac alias Makevelli

    teehee :)

  • xxxxl

    teehee :)

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    to all the people throwing dirt on Pac’s Legacy:

    This sentence defines you:

    A person that has no connection to the world.

    9 out of 10 people that dont feel Pac are white.

    the 1 out of the 10 is obsessed with BIG or a oreo (as in your case BOL)

  • these posts are racist

    On the real, All eyez on me, is hands down the best produced Hip Hop Album of all time. The flow is flawless, the beats are amazing and the production quality couldn’t get any better. And your characterization of Me Against the World and Makavelli is just, wrong! These rap albums, from the first to last track are insanely hot! There isn’t a rapper/rap/flow/album, etc. that comes close to touching any of these albums or songs therein!

  • My Effin’ Opinion

    Makavelli was a great album, but I enjoy the “Pre-thuglife” Pac … 2pacylpse now had some nice tracks (violent, brenda) .. “I get around” is cool track too. He definitely used to grind harder then and to me his tracks were more real, had more feeling.

    btw TPAR .. Your G.O.A.T, Pac, is a Racist

    Just sayin’

  • http://blogs.hiphopdx.com/meka Meka Soul

    >2Pac is the G.O.A.T he was not only a great rapper but he spoke 4 the people>

    “whats ya phone #” was definitely not for the people.

  • king blair

    u crazy pac aint a top ten mc but makaveli and AEOM are essential cd’s in any hip hop fans rack

  • Yoda

    Stoney Island, I guess you’re saying as a human being we are devoid of making mistakes. If you really knew anything about Pac, he was going to leave Death Row before he died (so I’m sure Suge had nothing to do with his death, right?). I guess you knew Pac personally, and knew the reasoning behind what he did. I guess the only way you can value a rapper is if they know their business. Do you know how many GREAT rappers have been raped by the industry? You sound like an idiot.

    You can say Pac is overrated, but his face is still on XXL every year, right? No one can every deny the IMPACT.

    And stop bringing up Biggie everytime Pac’s name is brought up. If you know Hip-Hop, you know they were two different rappers. Why compare? People have their favorite, leave it at that. Pac will be my favorite rapper of all time regardless if some blogger says he’s not on his Top 25.

    People act like Bol’s list is the definitive list to everything. I don’t even know dude, what he eat don’t make me shit…and I’m sure he eats a lot.

  • sDOT

    whats ya phone # got all the hoe’s hot and ready for some dick…so the hell he wasnt talking to the people

  • yung ceasa

    ok imma settle it, pac was a great rapper, but one thing i have realized that i only heard this dude say one metaphor……cant remember wat song, but i know it was on his gretest hits disc…..i mean imma huge pac fan, and i’ll admit he was flawed, but who isnt…..i already know wat most of you would say….b.i.g. look you right dude was always on point when you heard him spit, but think about it….say b.i.g. was recordin songs like pac was you already know puff (tha money hungry muthafucka he is) would keep puttin em out no matter if they were good or not just because he knows people are only buyin it because it has big’s name on it and if that happened dont you think that b.i.g. might have served up a couple of shit sandwiches himself……just sayin

  • yung ceasa

    bitch ass nigga quit usin my name………….. tha post from 3:09 is not me

  • smog

    What yall need to realize is that bol “greatest” is not everyone elses “greatest”. For bol a “great” album isnt an album that inspired alot of other people or changed the game or any of that, a good album for bol is that he can jerk off to it while he is making his lame ass web site, which i like to check out every day to see how bad it is. But back to my point, since bol’s craker ass cant feel pac he dont understand his impact. Simply put dont hate on bol for his close mindedness, thats what makes all his other stuff funny and he aint gonna turn around on pac.

  • smog

    What yall need to realize is that bol “greatest” is not everyone elses “greatest”. For bol a “great” album isnt an album that inspired alot of other people or changed the game or any of that, a good album for bol is that he can jerk off to it while he is making his lame ass web site, which i like to check out every day to see how bad it is. But back to my point, since bol’s craker ass cant feel pac he dont understand his impact. Simply put dont hate on bol for his close mindedness, thats what makes all his other stuff funny and he aint gonna turn around on pac.

  • honky true

    Never could figure all the ‘Pac love…glad to hear the ‘experts’ say it. ‘Pac’s big because he’s dead and died young…like Jim Morrison or Kurt Cobain (neither the best rocker, but often reminisced over in same way).

  • http://ohstewardess.blogspot.com Rob

    What the fuck is wrong with you all from what I reading it seems you cant understand that this man 2pac was ahead of his time the rap game today is still eating of his lyrics he wrote 10 years ago. i not going to debate who the best between pac and big they were both great but for you not to put 1 his ablum as top 10 u smoking sherm as he would of said, that nigga songs still make people listen, and not to mention he shut down the whoel damn eastside and had them niggas scared to say anything on wax, not what rapper you know could do that. Holla back when you do some more research.

  • http://aol fuck yall

    a 2 all yall dissing pac now best believe if that man was alive yall wouldnt have said shit about em just ask all the big top names up north when pac drop hit em up illest dis record to this day ether second up

  • K.T.

    Up until I read this article I thought you had a some common sense and a some what valid sense of hip-hop. but with that said if i ever see you in the street I have to see what is in your head by opening it up on the sidewalk. How dumb are you to speak that way about Pac. you are an asshole. and your taste in music is much like your writing. it needs work you pussy.

  • ROC

    Fuck bol…no one was as real as pac and no one will ever be…HE SPOKE THE GOD DAMN TRUTH AND WHATEVER WAS ON HIS MIND AT THE TIME.IF YOU DON’T LIKE PAC THEN YOUR NOT A REAL NIGGA….AND YOU DON’T KNOW GOOD MUSIC.ALL YOU KNOW IS THAT COMMERCIAL ASS WATERED DOWN SHIT.HIP HOP IS DYING AND NIGGAS TRYING TO DISS PAC IS ONLY ADDING ON TO THE EVENTUAL DEMISE.HE ACUTALLY TRIED TO MAKE SOME CHANGES OR ATLEAST ADDRESS THE ISSUES YOUR FAVORITE RAPPERS WOULD NEVER MENTION.YOU FUCKING BITCH ASS WIGGERS.

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    I GOT ADVICE FROM MY FATHER/ALL HE TOLD ME WAS THIS/NIGGA “GET OFF YO ASS IF YOU PLAN TO BE RICH”/THERE’S 10 RULES TO THE GAME/BUT I SHARE WITH YOU TWO/KNOW, NIGGAS GONE HATE YOU FOR WHATEVER YOU DO/NOW RULE ONE GET YO CASH ON MOB/THAT’S MONEY OF BITCHES CUZ THEY BREATH ENVY/NOW RULE TWO IS A HARD ONE WATCH FOR FONIES/KEEP YO ENEMIES CLOSE/NIGGA WATCH YO’HOMIES/IT SEEMED A LITTLE UNIMPORTANT/WHEN HE TOLD ME I SMILED/PICTURE JEWELS BEING HANDED TO A INNOCENT CHILD/I NEVER KNEW IN MY LIFETIME I’D LIVE BY THESE RULES/INIATUED AS AN OUTLAW STUDYING RULES/NOW PAPA AINT AROUND SO I GOTTA RECALL/I COMING IN GRIPS TO BEING WRITTEN ON MY ENEMIES WALL/PROMISE IF I HAVE A SEED/IM GONE GUIDE EM’ RIGHT/DEAR LORD DON’T LET ME DIE TONIGHT/I GOT WORDS FOR MY CONRADS/LISTEN AND LEARN/AINT NOTHING FREE GIVE BACK WHAT EARNED…………..THIS THUG LIFE WOULD BE THE DEATH OF ME/ I REMEMBER WHAT MY POPS TOLD/BLASHEMY

  • Reason Number ONE

    I had to make a comment on this blog. I can not imagine anyone with a high HipHop IQ making a TOP 25 Album List and not having any TUPAC on there. At the very least Tupac’s Greatest Hit’s Album gotta make any list rather it’s a top 5, top 10 etc etc.
    If I am making the list I’d have “Me Agaist the World” in my Top 50. and definately Makaveli would make my top 25.

    But to answer your question, “Why do hip-hop bloggers hate 2Pac?”
    A great deal of bloggers are not very good thinkers in terms of understanding the essence of Tupac’s point of view. They may listen to Pac’s music and they all have rememorized his lyrics but they don’t realize his motivation or his reasoning.

  • ROC

    BOL YOU’R RIGHT ABOUT HOW MUCH HIP HOP SUCKS TODAY BUT YOUR WRONG ABOUT PAC…BUT HEY..EVERYONE HAS AN OPINION AND YOUR JUST A FUCKING FAT ASS CRACKA ASS CRACKA IDIOT WHO LIVES IN THE BASEMENT OF HIS MOM’S CRIB.

  • WoW

    I don’t comment at all on these forums, but 2Pac not one of the greatest? Makaveli not one of the best 50 albums all-time? Wow!!

    If this is seriously the case your making and people are agreeing, Hip Hop is dead. Next thing people will say is Rakim isn’t one of the dopest of all time.

    2Pac is dope b/c he went hard and was not contrived. He believed his own shit and died for it, naw that ain’t the smartest decision but a man should truly believe what he speaks. People will say Malcolm X wasn’t a role model and didn’t accomplish what MLK did, but he was a strong black proud man, who (black) people followed. This is true for 2Pac also. Shame he died before he could become a true statesman for Hip Hop, so all of these thugs out here now could see his progression as a man. . .

    Anyway, long story short, I’m posting a comment for the first time in years, so this has got to be some bullshit.

  • pickles

    i think that all of biggies cds were trash beacause i only liked about 3 of the songs he has

  • You Idoit

    1st fuck all you haters?

    2pac G.O.A.T. you disagree? you obviously you on dick, if u knew shit
    2pac made your favourite rapper
    including your Nototrious P.I.G. fuck heads…Greatest albums? all of pacs str8

  • SDSCAN314

    2Pac is the GREATEST, reason he was not limited to a subject. He rapped struggle, dope game, on behalf of woman, pimpin’, the consequences of doing wrong shit, and f-You (Diss records). Name another rapper that did the same with consistently….NONE..Not even Biggie

  • HOME OF DA HAZE

    ITS ABOUT TIME HEADZ WAKE UP. PAC IS ONE OF DA MOST OVERRATED MC’C EVER!!!!!!! I REMEMBER HIM FROM DA DIGITAL UNDERGROUND DAYS AND NEVER HAVE I HEARD PAC SPIT ANYTHING DAT I WAS YO HOLD UP REWIND DAT!! NEVER !! I AINT TRYING 2 SHIT ON HIM. HE WAS ALRIGHT. DEFINITLY NOT WHAT ALOT A PEOPLE MAKE HIM OUT 2 BE

  • http://dahshyt.blogspot.com Belize

    U probably didnt like this album cuz of his beats….

    anywayz

    The reason PAc’s album was so rushed is cuz never did double takes on his album, he would spit and if he fucked up, he would just go back and start from where he fucked up-thats why he has so much shyt cuz his albums arent “perfected” like say Biggie..2pac is the defintion of raw. What u hear is what u get. (since u work here I suggest u grab a copy of the old 2pac anniversary issue which explains this)

    * BTW u should listen to all eyez on me (with an open mind)…

  • Incilin

    If bloggers really hate Pac because of the time it took to make his albums, how come they all love Jay’s Blueprint which was supposedly made over a weekend?

    Pac belongs on the list, and is the GOAT not because of his technical skills or his cartoon like image. But because of his raw emtional music. I listened to Me Against The World today (All these lists got me in the mood) and still say it belongs on a top 25 at the very least (Personally its prolly a top 10). I think bloggers hate his icon satus and since bloggers are haters by nature they hate what everyone likes. I think we can both agree that Pac is hip hops GOAT amongst general fans. No?

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    Now I’m lost and I’m weary, so many tears
    I’m suicidal, so don’t stand near me
    My every move is a calculated step, to bring me closer
    to embrace an early death, now there’s nothin left
    There was no mercy on the streets, I couldn’t rest
    I’m barely standin, bout to go to pieces, screamin peace
    And though my soul was deleted, I couldn’t see it
    I had my mind full of demons tryin to break free
    They planted seeds and they hatched, sparkin the flame
    inside my brain like a match, such a dirty game
    No memories, just a misery
    Paintin a picture of my enemies killin me, in my sleep
    Will I survive til the mo’nin, to see the sun
    Please Lord forgive me for my sins, cause here I come

  • http://XXLmag.com The General

    What the hell has this world come to?? We are talking down about one of the most influential artist in the past 2 decades (Michael Jackson was the one before him.) Tupac Shakur was an individual who felt a rap name wouldn’t suit him because what the public recieved from him was real and authentic. This is a man who decided to create a revolution (he was assasinated before he got a chance to really put it out there) by his own rules and named it T.H.U.G. Life. I don’t love every pac song made but this man’s music ALWAYS had a message. Even if it was a drunk freestyle saying simply “FUCK ALL YA’LL,” or begging for our communities to stop black on black violence with songs like “CHANGES.” He was a ryder, a hot head, a revolutionist, and even at times a hipporcrite but that is why we loved him and his music. I am in no way a dick rider and am an inspiring m.c. myself but BOL you fuck face, for you to say that Me against the world was a shit sandwhich is ridicoulous. If I re-call didn’t you say the same thing about Jim Jones first album and even Jay-Z’s comeback album? Pac’s album was 10 times better than theirs and if you don’t feel it then that’s fine, but to use the same phrase you used for weak ass Jim Jones and exceptionally wacker Jay-Z is damn near blasphemy. Is pac the best lyricist of all time, No. Is he the best M.C. by all catogories, YES! The game is mini tupac’s and like Buck said on his latest album “I just wish tupac was here to witness this,” becaus more than have the shit talking that goes would be non-existent, oh and one more thing, 206 all day! Ha ha!!!

  • Incilin

    And to further your question; why doesn’t Eminem appear on most of the lists? Does he not have a spot? Only Sunday had him, but he had him twice, plus he was one of the few with Pac on his list. And I mean come on, he’s white your supposed to love him. And I can’t help but wonder if Tara will actually put up her list, just to get ridiculed.

  • these posts are racist

    N-Cred,

    They really have no clue my brother.

    Tupac, greatest rapper of all time. 25 years old when he died, absolutely amazing.

  • http://www.xxlmag.com THABLOCK

    PAC WAS AND STILL IS THA GREATEST RAPPER, LYRICIST, WUTEVA U WANNA CALL IT OF ALL TIME. THERE ARE SO MANY UNDERGROUND/UNFAMOUS SONGS THAT HAVE ALOTTA MEANING AND SHOW HOW GREAT OF A LYRICIST HE WAS, BUT MANY THAT WANNA HATE DNT HEAR THEM. I SERIOUSLY DNT GET HOW THEY SAY JAY-Z IS THA GREATEST AND PEOPLE ARE OK WIT IT BUT THEY HAVE A PROBLEM WEN THEY SAY THAT ABOUT PAC, CUZ HONESTLY JAY-Z AINT CLOSE TO PAC OR BIG. JAY IS THA MOST OVERRATED RAPPER OF ALL TIME. I THINK PEOPLE JUS CANT HANDLE THAT THA GREATEST MC OF ALL TIME COMES FROM THA WEST COAST. (LEARN TO ACCEPT IT STONEYISLAND).

  • Smitty313

    I agree with Bol for the first time. Pac just related to the poeple more than anybody else. But he’s far from the best rapper.

  • http://kbloftonyahoo.com kblof254

    bol u must hate your own race! I read u colum and it suck bol. 2 pac was the Marvin Gaye of Rap/hiphop!

  • Teeb23

    Well you and your boy Noz are both fucking idiots. Toilet…. you have hated on countless talented rappers/MCs but not a single soul on this site even pays attention to you. Most of us read your column for a laugh if nothing else. I’m honestly baffled at how you wake up each day and take yourself serious. Fuckin’ Gum Drop Sweet (no homo)

  • VARep

    My personal top 25, I did the shit quick so I probly left something out. I can’t give Pac a spot either, his albums were not cohesive enough, and he had a lot of shitty beats.
    25)Pharcyde-Bizarre Ride II the Pharcyde
    24)MF Doom-Operation Doomsday
    23)Masta Ace-Disposable Arts
    22)Camron-Come Home With Me
    21)De La Soul-Stakes is High
    20)Mos Def and Talib-Blackstar
    19)Cormega-The Realness
    18)Slick Rick-Great Adventures
    17)Goodie Mob-Soul Food
    16)Jedi Mind Tricks-Violent by Design
    15)Common-Like Water for Chocolate
    14)Jay-Z-The Blueprint
    13)Fugees-The Score
    12)Tribe Called Quest-Midnight Marauders
    11)Eric B. and Rakim-Paid in Full
    10)Gangstarr-Moment of Truth
    9)Ghostface-Supreme Clientele
    8)Outkast-Aquemini
    7)Dr.Dre-2001
    6)Dr.Dre-The Chronic
    5)GZA-Liquid Swords
    4)Wu-Tang Clan-Wu-Tang Forever
    3)Notorious B.I.G.-Ready to Die
    2)Wu-Tang Clan-36 Chambers
    1)Nas-Illmatic

  • http://www.myspace.com/thaanswermikeyd Dip Set City

    never disagreed more

  • Port_o_Prince

    you can’t be serious man. Pac dropped 3 classic albums in a row.

  • RockCity

    Thanku Roc and N-CRED yall spoke tha truth and saved me the trouble

  • b-ease

    Tupac is hands down the most influential hiphop “icon” of all time.

    He is also responsible for some truly insane records. Hail Mary, Keep Your Head Up, Dear Mama,and I Get Around will be to our kids what The Temptations are to us now. Truly timeless songs. Makaveli IS one of the greatest hip hop albums of all time. The context of its release, the consistent production, and generally stellar verses (yeah, there are some exceptions tho), and the venom of the delivery just make the album shine more and more with time.

    With that said, Me Against the World and All Eyez on Me have aged horribly. There are a couple of decent joints on each, but by and large Me Against the World is boring to the nth degree (its almost hip hop elevator music).Even Pac didnt like it. He had to to take off a lot of the material he had originally recorded for it because he claimed Biggie “bit” too much of it.According to him, the first joints were more “east coast sounding”. (interviews on the original Makaveli bootlegs). “Get Away”? “Charge it to the game” (which Master P sampled 4 years later)? No classic album can have songs like this on it. Just cant.

    All Eyez on Me is a fuckin mess. There are gems buried in there, but it really isnt worth diggin through all the shit to find it. It really isnt.

  • b-ease

    The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE Says:

    April 30th, 2007 at 3:12 pm
    to all the people throwing dirt on Pac’s Legacy:

    This sentence defines you:

    A person that has no connection to the world.

    9 out of 10 people that dont feel Pac are white.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    You obviously dont know any white people. White people love Pac. No artist has ever sold those type of records without white love. California Love was the most played video on MTV when it came out. Thats just an untrue statement.

    The majority of people that dont think Pac is the GOAT are those that value things like “traditional” hip hop lyricism (heavy metaphors,etc) over those that value things like raw emotion in spite of lyricism (note, im not saying either on is right, im just explaing the two schools of thought).

    Most of those people are black dudes like myself weaned on early to mid-90′s east coast hiphop, and we are a dying breed, thats why Ghostface doesnt matter anymore in the real world.

    Pac is one of the greats because he shot two racist cracka ass cops, and spit on repoters, and literally split hip hop in two through sheer force of will.

    I admit that Pac was great, but what most Pac lovers (pause) wont admit is that his greatess has more to do with his actions than his art (the music).

    Shit, maybe his actions were his art…

  • hokus

    This reminds me of a saying about opinions and assholes. y’know everybody got one. So why shoud I care about yours.

  • whatupkicko

    Just think what if B.I.G. or any other rapper’s had pac work ethic.2nd why is it that every eastcoast person doesn’t List pac in there top 5.3rd who needs metophors.Three mus have albums me against the world, all eyez on me , 7th Day the real pac albums.

  • b-ease

    Incilin Says:

    April 30th, 2007 at 4:14 pm
    If bloggers really hate Pac because of the time it took to make his albums, how come they all love Jay’s Blueprint which was supposedly made over a weekend?

    ^^^^^^^^^^
    Cause it doesnt sound like it was made in a weekend.

  • Yea Son

    And to further your question; why doesn’t Eminem appear on most of the lists? Does he not have a spot?
    ^^^^^^^^^^

    Cause he’s white. Fuck him. He got enough money. Why give him a spot? 8 Mile was a shitpile. Encore was a shitpile. And Eminem Show dont really hold up. And he’s white.

  • http://www.myspace.com/sinistahmoneybagz Sinistah aka Sin Piff

    i agree with the theory of Pac being a workhorse in da studio as a double-edged sword to his talent. But during those “burnout” sessions, its obvious with the depth he touched on at times is unparalleled to some of the many one-dimensional MC’s who tried to chip away and even clone his style.

    But he basically said all he did was go in da studio, and write as quick as possible, lay da verse/songs and be out.

    Which is probably why he has alot of verses that sound similliar to each other, due to rehashing the verses. Can’t fault him, dat Death Row Roster was once a deep and poignant entity of talent.

    His first two albums weren’t really that good, but he still had shit where u can see the direction he was tryin to take this music shit. Both his earlier albums were less “thuggish” and moreso “revolutionary” in my opinion. That shooting turned him into an beast with a passionate rage so deep within him for retaliation/retribution, it eventually contributed to his death (minus the media instigations)

    Content and Wordplay was simplistic at best which is why i don’t place him in the “Top Shelf” section of MC’s, but once again his charisma and glimpses of dat rebellious spirit with purpose is probably worth more than alot of peeps Top MC’s best verses.

    Unfortunately he was “off’d” too soon for us to even see him evolve as the Makavelli album was probably one of his best all-around efforts not only for him as an MC, but also that “voice of the unheard” that often cries out for change from hood 2 hood worldwide.

  • b-ease

    THABLOCK Says:

    I THINK PEOPLE JUS CANT HANDLE THAT THA GREATEST MC OF ALL TIME COMES FROM THA WEST COAST. (LEARN TO ACCEPT IT STONEYISLAND).

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Tupac was born and raised in New York. He spent his teenage years in Baltimore (where he went by the moniker “MC New York)). He didnt move to Cali until he was 18. He definetly make West Coast hiphop. But he was NOT from there.

  • b-ease

    Incilin Says:

    April 30th, 2007 at 4:14 pm
    I think we can both agree that Pac is hip hops GOAT amongst general fans. No?

    ^^^^^^^^^^^

    I agree. But that doesnt mean anything.When has “general” consensus ever constituted as fact?

  • Tyler

    Bol, when has anything dat U or Noz ever said dat has been connected with something ‘dat was sucessful and not controversial? Never. Don’t U guys work 4 labels? Then Why aren’t U finding the next big thing? Cause U suck when it comes 2 knowing what’s hot in music bro. Mad love 4 being a funny dude but ‘dats about it yo. Your list was the shit sandwich dude.
    All Eyez on Me and Makaveli are the albums ‘dat all these crap rappers are reaching 4 when they blast our ears with their nonesense bullshit ‘dat we has fan just have 2 put up with until we get the next 2pac or BIG. So stick 2 being a fat fuck bro. . lay off tryin’ 2 grade the music ya’ dig.
    Lose Yo Mind at:
    http://www.myspace.com/marcusorealiusmusic
    http://www.myspace.com/marcmaysrockandrollthug

  • jmacd90

    Haha…Pac sucks,he got rapped in jail. He got shot 5 times in NY by Biggie. He was always soft. Biggie would beat his little azz on the mic or in the ring or with the guns. What a fake thug. Pac probably sucked dlcks in jail. Much Props to Jay-z the king of Hip Hop. I heard this freestyle he kicked at a hotel in Gabon. What rapper could do something like that. R.I.P. Biggie

  • b-ease

    ROC Says:

    April 30th, 2007 at 3:50 pm
    AND YOU DON’T KNOW GOOD MUSIC.ALL YOU KNOW IS THAT COMMERCIAL ASS WATERED DOWN SHIT.HIP HOP IS DYING AND NIGGAS TRYING TO DISS PAC IS ONLY ADDING ON TO THE EVENTUAL DEMISE.HE ACUTALLY TRIED TO MAKE SOME CHANGES OR ATLEAST ADDRESS THE ISSUES YOUR FAVORITE RAPPERS WOULD NEVER MENTION.YOU FUCKING BITCH ASS WIGGERS.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Tupac made a whole bunch of commercial bullshit. And the East/West coast war that he and Suge CREATED is arguably the most important factor in the demise of hip hop today. Sure,he made some political statements, but so do Nas and Jay-Z and i wouldnt call them activists either. The ten years since Pac’s death has created an aura around him that is NOTHING like how he was perceived at the time of his death, which is to be expected. I remember reading the Vibe with the Death Row cover and thinking, “man, these guys are asshooles…”. He death has made him somehing different, which is understandable, but we have to try to seperate that when judging the music.

  • b-ease

    these posts are racist Says:

    April 30th, 2007 at 2:31 pm
    I don’t even know what criteria you are using, other than simply stating what you believe to be true.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Isnt that the definiton of an opinion???

  • b-ease

    A-WEST Says:

    April 30th, 2007 at 3:05 pm
    AND UNTIL THE DAY OF TIME AND BETTER DYAZ ARE TWO OF THE RAWEST CDS EVER!
    ^^^^^^^^^^

    No, they’re not. Not even close. I dont like to be condescending, but I dont think even the biggest Pac fan on this board could agree with that…

  • these posts are racist

    b-ease Says:

    April 30th, 2007 at 5:28 pmIsnt that the definiton of an opinion???
    ——————–
    Well that depends, what’s the definition of an opinion?

  • youngfilth

    VARep please define cohesive.

  • FuckUPayMe618

    Smh @ everyone who say pac spoke for the people. Pac wasn’t on no thug shit while he was with digital underground. He was on some k-fed shit. He is in my top 30 . His beat selection was terrible.

  • b-ease

    these posts are racist Says:

    April 30th, 2007 at 5:34 pm
    b-ease Says:

    April 30th, 2007 at 5:28 pmIsnt that the definiton of an opinion???
    ——————–
    Well that depends, what’s the definition of an opinion?
    ^^^^^^^^^^

    I would say,

    what an individual deems to be true that is not an inherent fact

    hence, you dont need “criteria” to have one.

  • b-ease

    Sure, “criteria” or hard scientific evidence are needeed to have an “informed opinion”.

    But only a dumbass would come to a blog to get an informed opinion.

    Regardless, no one’s feelings about music are anything more than opinion. Art is THE most subjective thing there is. That’s what makes it interesting.

    So, disagreeing with bol is fine (and the purpose of these posts), but demanding him to have a basis or criteria is circular in its logic. Criteria is subjective in and of itself, so even if he did establish it, you would obviously disagree with those conclusions also.

  • Dr Flav

    Lyrics to Me Against The World > Saturday Night Jerkout 2006-07. I think thats all I have to say about that.

  • b-ease

    Tyler Says:

    April 30th, 2007 at 5:24 pm
    Bol, when has anything dat U or Noz ever said dat has been connected with something ‘dat was sucessful and not controversial? Never. Don’t U guys work 4 labels?

    ^^^^^^^^^^^

    No, they dont. Kinda makes your post irrelevant.

    Sickamore does tho.

  • b-ease

    yung ceasa Says:

    April 30th, 2007 at 3:09 pm
    This wouldn’t bother me so much if it wasn’t for the fact that Big is undoubtedly in the top 5. I’m glad he was inspiring, but I can hardly understand the shit he says.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^
    What dont you understand? Even if you didnt like him as an artist, I think BIG was one of the most “listener friendly” rappers ever. “Ready to Die” is crystal clear. List some examples. I’ll explain them shits for you. If you dont like it then, cool.

  • TUPAC was better than Most

    Yes he definatley was not the best neither was Biggie or Jay. BIG Fuckin L is the best hands the fuck down. And half of you is saying Pac didn’t say anything important; Does any fucking rapper? If you want to hear a message you know what rappers are in that category. The media just listens to what ever the rapper is saying and relays to American media as if its the truth. Snoop is prime example telling everyone about Tookies bullshit and the whole movement to bring peace. Aint no real gang banger listening to that rich fuck. Its all to potray a better image to White America. Back to the point: Biggie rapped about drugs and death and suicide. Nothing new or speacial his style is just slick as fuck and raw but nowhere near L. And if anyone can ride a beat better than Pac tell me who. The only one that comes close is Luda. Always on point with the beat.

  • HIJOKKA

    I am so disgusted with this blog I can’t even comment.(but I got too) 2PAC was one of if not the biggest influence in hip hop today. Now I’m not saying that’s a good thing but it is true. HE IS THE MOST COPIED RECORDING ARTIST OF ALL TIME !!! You can’t challenge that — NUFF SAID !!!

  • boxybrown

    this is hip hop journalism? just like bill o’reilly, you don’t respect history and are only spinning stories so people can read what you say.

  • somedude

    I wore a tupac shirt to school today. just wanted to let use muthafuckas know that.

  • dre4life

    i love pac, hes defintely THE most influential and important MC ever. but his ablums really arent THAT great. put it this way, it took dre 7 years to make 1 album, how can pac make a classic in 7 days? even Mozart took longer than dat

  • NY HATES TUPAC BLOGGERS(FAT NEW YORKERS)

    THA REASON BLOGGERS HATE 2PAC IS BECAUSE THEY SELF HATING MEN,FAT CATS FROM NEW YORK(BOL)….

  • http://www.2pacforever.com Johnny J

    2pac was deep. Biggie, nas, and jay are better rappers but Pac fans worship him and they are influenced by him and try to be just like him. That’s why people listen to his music even tho the music is not top quality. I never seen sum1 try to act like Jay-z besides when they go to a business meeting.

  • http://www.2pacforever.com Johnny J

    2pac was deep. Biggie, nas, and jay are better rappers but Pac fans worship him and they are influenced by him and try to be just like him. That’s why people listen to his music even tho the music is not top quality. I never seen sum1 try to act like Jay-z besides when they go to a business meeting.

  • http://www.2pacforever.com Johnny J

    2pac was deep. Biggie, nas, and jay are better rappers but Pac fans worship him and they are influenced by him and try to be just like him. That’s why people listen to his music even tho the music is not top quality. I never seen sum1 try to act like Jay-z besides when they go to a business meeting.

  • black ghost

    If u didn’t like PAC or if HE DID’NT SPEAK FOR U U BITCH U DID NOT COME FROM THE STRUGGLE AND U BITCHES THINK THE RAPPERS OUT KNOW OR BETTER JUST SHOWS HOW FAKE AND IGNANT U MUTHFUCKAS IS,BOL I KNOW THIS IS THE REASON U MADE THIS SHIT UP,NAME ME ANOTHER ARTIST THAT PEOPLE NEVER MET THAT MADE PEOPLE WANNA RIDE FOR THEM U DUMB SHITS LISTEN TO YO YUNG JOC AND LIL WAYNE AND JAY-Z AND KEEP THEY NUTTS OUT YOUR MOUTH CAUSE YO BREATHE STINKS .

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  • Yung Ether

    What makes a album made in 7 days a classic?

    The fact that 80% of THE WORLD can spit a verse from that album.

  • yung ceasa

    b-ease Says:

    April 30th, 2007 at 6:07 pm
    yung ceasa Says:

    April 30th, 2007 at 3:09 pm
    This wouldn’t bother me so much if it wasn’t for the fact that Big is undoubtedly in the top 5. I’m glad he was inspiring, but I can hardly understand the shit he says.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^
    What dont you understand? Even if you didnt like him as an artist, I think BIG was one of the most “listener friendly” rappers ever. “Ready to Die” is crystal clear. List some examples. I’ll explain them shits for you. If you dont like it then, cool.

    ————-

    again tha post from 3:09 is not me

  • enlight

    makavelli all eyez on me me against the world not top 25 albums im not even a big tupac fan but he did have some real shit to say maybe not as clever as biggie but certaintly more relevant and his songs were deep which counts for a lot in my book plus he had crazy commercial sucess
    wut have we come to

  • http://www.myspace.com/sumboy7 a biggiefan

    wut have we come to
    tupac not a good rapper hahahaha
    seriously- prob not as clever as biggie but definately more relevant and he had madd commercail suceess pacs lyrics were factual word he wrote a books a poems for god sake hahahahaha people are so bias

  • http://xxlmag.com Kane Corleone

    Sorry i skipped thru everyones post to write this if u were not born in 70-77 u cant hear PAC,and no he was not speaking for everyone he was speaking for the young black males,who was getting they neck stomped the fuck out from police,who’s moms was out fiending ,whos daddy was not there,and had to look up to a nigga who gave u a 8ball to sell for guidance,his shit was real u felt that shit u young niggaz dont know shit about struggle,sharing clothes,going to school just for lunch,no lights on roaches,that niggas music was relevant to the times he came up in,no rapper could walk thru a hood and get love but him and this was before DeathRow,and when u die muthafukka u too will die broke aint no man gonna let himself get fucked out of millions while he ‘s still alive so ease up on that shit.Makaveli the Don lives on!!!!! I’m screamin O-U-T-L-A-W so who the fuck r u prolly aint shit lil bitch w/a dick

  • lol

    thank you, n-cred, for sharing those words for your conrads.

  • DCDRO

    Listen to Thug Life….. end of story

  • http://www.blocksavvy.com/rawdubb Damion

    why you fat fagot …. Pac is the greatest Mc ever …your top 5 top 30 top 50 ..who gives a fuck …your blogs are bullshit ,

  • http://xxlmag kane corleone

    Man Fuck B-ease nigga u be easy that west/east shit was 1 man vs 1man not a whole coast,nigga if i have a problem with u,and i speak on it then u got muthafuckas who know u tellin me to chill when they dont have anything to do with it then it becomes a problem for all of yall,see thats the thing mind your fuckin biz ,PAC did speak on political shit ,and as far as him in DU,nigga thats when a rapper had to pay dues,something yall snappin ass,hot 16 spittin ass niggas dont know anything about and from what that nigga said those were his best times in hiphop,and he still was tru to himself,not the fucking public.His music is recognized thru real brothers of the struggle,and his peers ,not from the little bros of the struggle,classics all albums real shit ,real issues,real pain.BIG was nice he had flow,Pac had pain,flow ,compassion ,anger,a eastcoast nigga with westcoast game,U WILL NEVER FIND ANYONE 2 COMPARE HIM 2.EXIT 2PAC ENTER Makaveli the Don.

  • TaZ

    Thank God Bol has the cojones to make the obvious lack of skill that is hidden under the super contraversial illusion that surrounds this crappy rapper. 2pac gave “publicity stunt” its definition in the world of hip hop. He was what Eminem was 7 years ago without the MCing skills. Its plain and simple, all those cracka ass crackas who overrate Pac need to realize the simple fact that he is dead and that no matter how much u listen to All Eyez On Me or Me Against The World, he isnt coming back. I Recognize his power to rally a generation but i cant look over his meteokre mic skills for his publicity, im sorry. I dont understand the life of a young black male but from an outsiders perspective, he isnt a fantastic rapper. Just because many can relate to you doesnt mean u r and emcee, and thats it. May Pac rest in Peace…

  • http://xxlmag kane corleone

    makaveli the don- I’m screamin O-U-T-L-A-W SO WHO THE FUCK R U PROLLY AINT SHIT LIL BITCH WIT A/DICK

  • snaggyj

    i think u r definitly on crack. u must be smokin some good shit if u dont pac is the greatest of all time. u should be fired crackhead.

  • http://xxlmag.com WritersBlock

    The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE Says:

    April 30th, 2007 at 3:12 pm
    to all the people throwing dirt on Pac’s Legacy:

    This sentence defines you:

    A person that has no connection to the world.

    9 out of 10 people that dont feel Pac are white.

    the 1 out of the 10 is obsessed with BIG or a oreo (as in your case BOL)
    —————————————–

    ummmmmm wrong 9 out of every 10 pac fans are white and the ones that dont like pac are the real people who like lyracism

    pac was an overatted rapper who died at the height of his fame….hes an average lyricist and has an overexaggerated “message”

    pac has the biggest dickriders out…enough said

  • ROLL

    bol sux balls

  • Monterey

    Obviously all of you guys are haters. Trying to bring down a dead man like that. What’s the point?

  • http://WWW.PACTHEBEST.COM RAP LEGEND

    PAC WAS AND STILL IS AND WILL ALWAYS BE THE BEST RAPPER IN HISTORY. HOW CAN YOU SAY HIS ALBUMS WERE SHIT AND HE HAD ELEMENTARY FLOWS. COME ON. BEST RAPPER EVER. I DONT UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE THINK JAY-Z AND NAS AND BIGGIE WERE THE BEST. COME ON EVERYONE SAYIN THEY THE BEST ARE FROM NEW YORK!

    PAC THE BEST RAPPER IN HISTORY.
    IF YOU THINK OTHERWISE YOUR LYIN TO YOURSELF AND OR YOUR FROM NEW YORK OR THE EASTCOAST.

  • Port_o_Prince

    Alot of the people that dont like PAC dont like him because they say he lacked the mic skills i.e. wordplay and punchlines. Ok but tell me who was a better song writer than PAC? Pac’s style was from the perspective of motivational speaker/poet. The emotion that came from him just hit u to the heart. GTFOH how can u deny this mans music its timeless. his songs had meaning. Its obvious theres a heavy east coast bias and animosity towards the man. I guarantee you go to any hood in america outside of NY and ask who the GOAT they will say PAC period.

  • TOTO

    YOU JUST HATING PAC WAS BETTER THEN BIGGIE AND ALWAYS WILL BE.I WANT YOU TO STAND IN FRONT OF THE WORLD AND SAY THAT SH.T!

  • TOTO

    YOU JUST HATING PAC WAS BETTER THEN BIGGIE AND ALWAYS WILL BE.I WANT YOU TO STAND IN FRONT OF THE WORLD AND SAY THAT SH.T!

  • TOTO

    YOU JUST HATING PAC WAS BETTER THEN BIGGIE AND ALWAYS WILL BE.I WANT YOU TO STAND IN FRONT OF THE WORLD AND SAY THAT SH.T!

  • http://www.myspace.com/ryansbeats Ryan

    None of Tupac albums were that great lyrically but he had something a little more than lyrics. Tupac had heart in what he did. “All Eyez on Me” was his beat album but it’s not a classic.

  • TOTO

    PAC MUST BE VERY IMPORTANT TO YALL ASS!
    PAC WILL ALWAYS BE BETTER THEN PIGGIE I MEAN BIGGIE! ALWAYS NOW WHO WANT BEEF!

  • NickeNitro

    Jesus, are you kidding? Me Against the World was a great album. It was Pac’s ATLiens.

  • Face Phoenix

    First of all I don’t consider myself a disciple of the “Tupac Shakur Thug Life Church” yet I still enjoy his music. Was there any album by 2pac that should be considered a top 25 all time classic? I can’t think of one. See the trick to this is 2pac was a great writer/lyricist and he shined on so many tracks that he could easily stand on a list of 25 songs that changed Hip Hop or 25 most influential MC’s but to say he has ever pieced together a masterpiece is truly up to each every listener’s opinion. Common said it best by saying “If I say I’m not feeling it doesn’t mean I’m hatin’.” We should be mature enough to state our opinions about anything without having to have someone else tell us we were right or wrong for stating our opinion. I mean damn I saw Bol’s List and I have to admit I don’t agree with all of his picks but they are his PICKS. 2pac is a saint to some and to others a sinner so try and respect someone else’s vantage point.

    PS – The Makaveli Album was my personal favorite.

  • G Bey

    What the fuck? Me Against The World a shit sandwich? Kill yourself for letting that blasphemy come out your mouth.

  • U Already Know

    I’m a huge fan of Pac but agree that he never recorded a classic album BUT he did record alot of classic material. A few of his tracks would make my greatest list but I don’t have a Tupac album in my top 10 favorite albums (or top 20 for that matter)

    Pac is still one of the greatest with or without a classic album. not all brilliant artist have classics albums. Many do but not all.

  • http://www.gervislewisaol.com DC’s Finest

    I dont really care bout Pac’s MC skills, cuz personally I prefer Jay. But I respect Pac like I respect Talib Kweli and Mos Def, being political artist/activist, like myself.
    FIGHT THE POWER!!!(Chuck D Bitches)

  • PAC FOR LIFE

    I WILL FIGHT FOR PAC ASS! YALL BETTER KEEP PAC NAME OUT YALL MOUTH FOR REAL SLIM! ALL THE HOODS I KNOW GOT LOVE FOR PAC PIGGIE CAN SIT HIS PIGGIE ASS DOWN! NOW PIGGIE WAS GOOD! BUT NOT BETTER THEN PAC YOU FEEL ME!!! WHO WANT BEEF BRING IT ON! YALL WANT TO TURN THIS TO A WAR! THEN BRING THE SHIT ON!

  • EnglandRepresent

    2Pac may not have been the best technical rapper, or had the best flow but what he did spit was from the heart, he meant what he said even if he did have bi-polar so you could be gettin 2 different Pacs. I’m not sure that he represented black youth in everything he did nor was he a particularly good ambassador for the black youth but he did advocate unity in the black community and thats something which we stil have’nt got right to his day. RIP Tupac Shakur

    As a Biggie stan though, Big shits all over Tupac as a rapper, Biggie is the true GOAT, don’t get it twisted Pac stans………….

  • PAC FOR LIFE

    AS A TUPAC STAN THOUGH, PAC SHITS ALL OVER BIGGIE! TUPAC IS THE TRUE GOAT! YOU WANT WAR BRING IT THEN, PAC WAS WAAAAAAAY
    BETTER THEN PIGGIE!

  • PAC FOR LIFE

    THE PERSON IN CHARGE OF THIS BOARD I SEE DON’T LIKE PAC O WELL! PAC WAS BETTER THEN BIGGIE!

  • thatwestcoastkilla

    I may agree that 2pac is a little overated. To say the man wasn’t a very good rapper is just plain stupid. Pac may not of been about so much wordplay and metaphor, but when the guy spit, you felt him, and you believed him. He was more about the message then being a complicated Mc. By the way All Eyez On Me had more singles then any rap album I can think of.

  • thatwestcoastkilla

    Fuck all yawl. 25 and how many albums. Hands down the best rapper ever. next to him is scarface. third coast you bitches.

  • PAC THE GOAT

    PUFFY WAS MAD PAC DID NOT SIGN WITH HIS LABLE! THIS IS HIS REVENGE TO ATTACK PAC EVERY CHANCE HE GETS,BIGGIE IS OVERATED 4 REAL! I KNOW PUFFY REALLY HATES PAC TILL THIS DAY DUM ASS PUSSY. PAC 4 LIFE!
    WHEN PUFFY FOUND OUT PAC WOULD NOT SIGN WITH HIM HE TRY TO DESTROY PAC! BUT THAT SHIT DID NOT WORK DID PUFFY, HA HA, WHO SOLD MORE RECORDS PAC! WHO LOOK BETTER PAC! WHO WAS THE REAL DEAL PAC! WHO COULD PULL MORE FEMALES PAC! WHO THE WORLD LOVE THE MOST PAC, O SHIT I 4 GOT I BETTER NOT SAY TO MUCH PUFFY PROBALY TRY TO START BEEF. PAC GOAT 4 LIFE YOU GOT A PROBLEM ! HOLLA AT YA BOY!

  • PAC FOR LIFE

    PAC 4 LIFE! I’AM A PAC STAN 4 LIFE! HOLLA AT YA BOY!

  • b-ease

    By the way All Eyez On Me had more singles then any rap album I can think of.

    ^^^^^^^

    Yea, its definetly up there. Hard Knock Life, Life After Death, and Please Hammer Dont Hurt Em are the only ones that come close by my count.

    Hard Knock might be the winner though. Same amount of singles as AEOM, yet less than half the songs.

  • b-ease

    NickeNitro Says:

    April 30th, 2007 at 11:10 pm
    Jesus, are you kidding? Me Against the World was a great album. It was Pac’s ATLiens.
    ^^^^^^^^

    I see where you’re coming from with the analogy, but i definetly wouldnt compare the two in terms of quality. ATliens is leaps and bounds ahead…

  • b-ease

    PAC THE G>O>A>T EnglandRepresen please shoot yaself. BIG couldnt fuck wit PAC. The only people on here is hating on PAC is Old ass EAST COAST NIGGAS. everybody else know who the greatest is. PAC took over hip hop singlehandly. HE took the WESTCOAST and SHITTED on the EASTCOAST. Thats why he is hated so much by eastcoast cats. They Still have yet to get over it. PAC dominated the charts while NAS was still screaming oochie Wally and Jay-z was saying money aint a thing and big pimpin. East coast cats hate not being on top thats why they hated the west then and hate the south now. They getting pissed on. Dr. Dre is the best producer of all time. WESTCOAST. PAC is the greatest rapper of allTIME. WESTCOAST. OUTKAST is the highest SELLING RAP GROUP OF alltime SOUTH. SO all cred the east have is starting HIP HOP cuz thats all they did. Every Coast took it and flipped it there own way and started gettin paid off of it. Thats the truth I know it hurts yall notherners feelins to hear the truth. Live it wit or die just like NY old school hip hop did.

  • Smithzer

    BOL – You piece of steamin shit of a man. Think of all the albums post pac and tell me his albums are shit. Makavelli is one of the greatest albums of all time. The production is excellent and lyrics are harder, darker and more poetic than any other rapper in the game. Id love to beat you to death witha frozen bag of herpies. XXL you really need to sack this hunchbacked down syndrome coz people are losing respect for this site because of this cancerous lump of a man. I hope you die slow with a dick in your rectum you fuckin joke. get a real job sellin your ass in Thailand. Prick!!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://xxl rafa

    SAME OL SHIT NIGGAS HATIN ON NIGGAS, THATS WHY YOU CREATE YOU OWN RACISM CAUSE YOU CVAN’T STAND EACH OTHER HAVING MONEY OR SUCCESS, BOL YOU NEED TO GET SOME ASS, AND STOP HATIN ON RAPPERS YOU LOOK LIKE YOU FIXEN TO CRY HALF THE TIME CAN WE GET A BETTER PIC OF YOUR SORRY ASS THIS ONE HURTIN MY EYEZ BITCH

  • Devo G

    It has always stood out to me that Biggie was the better story teller of the 2(East Coast attention to detail within the lyrics, and appreciation for metaphors), but Pac he was probably the greatest of All Time at eliciting some emotion out of you, whatever the topic. Yeah he was a hypocrite, but what great mc wasn’t, or isn’t. Luv Nas but he’s has hypo tendecies. Respect the hell out of Jay, but the same. Even the great Rakim has been known to educate U one sec, and shoot U the next. This aspect is what made Pac great to me, and as far as albums go AEoM is a classic, along with MAtW. Hell it’s a couple of classic singles on the Thug Life album that put any of thing that Jeezy(not hating)has done to shame. Under Pressure, Pour out some Liquor, Aint got time, sure fire bangers and Straight Balln, well that shyt speaks for itself. Peace-to the 80′s and 90′s babies alike. ’77 nucas.

  • Harold Crick

    I’m not gonna argue for any album specifically, but I still say if you take the best of tupac and put it up against anyone else’s best (individual songs, not full albums), then he’s right at the top. As Bol pointed out, the guy rushed that shit out. I don’t think he really viewed rapping as an art form. It was more just a way to make money, and he was damn good at that part of it.

    A few of my favorite tupac songs are Shed So Many Tears, Unconditional Love and To Live And Die In LA. Two of the three were singles released after he died. I guess if you could count his greatest hits as one album, I’d put that on the list. There is a lot of stuff he did that really sucks, though.

  • BirdsFlySouth

    2 Pac get’s hated on b/c most of these cats are from NY. And everybody else in US knows New Yorkers are HATERS!!!!!!

  • 10 niggas n’ one

    niggas be trippin pac music help me get through when i be ready to give up.

    songs like hold ya head.

    all biggy tell a nigga is life is hard and he ready to die. (no disrespect to big)

  • stoneyisland

    Ok all you hateful dick riding Tupac fans, let me say this shit one more time, I didnt say Pac was the worst rapper vere, far from that. However if you think he could fuck with rakim in his prime or Kane then you obviously are high on some powerful dope. Let Pacs life be an example for young brothers coming up, first be a man and take care of your business, a real man invest his finances so that if something happens to him his seeds and family are provided for. Secondly, real men arent lead around they lead, maybe he was gonna leave deathrow, who knows? but the fact is he didnt. God bless this brothas soul but it seems as if his death has been in vain, niggas will start fights over who is better him or big, seems as if anybody says anything about Pac them is fighting words. When is enuff, enuff?

  • SKEEN

    THE ONLY REASON YOU HATIN’ ON PAC IS BEACAUSE HE’S BEEN GONE DAMN NEAR 11 YEARS. THE MAN’S HAS DROPPED UNQUESTIONABLE GREATNESS IN HIS ALBUMS. FOR THE MOST PART, BULLSHIT DOESN’T SELL, WITH THE EXCEPTIONS OF FABOLOUS, JA RULE, AND MIKE JONES. THIS MAN IS OUR GENERATION’S ELVIS. YOU SHOULDN’T HAVE THE ABILITY TO DPRAVE THIS POET WHO HAS INSPIRED MILLIONS, EVEN IN AFRICA. THAT PUTS HIM I THE SAME LIGHT AS MUHAMMED ALI. THE SAYS IT RIGHT THERE! THE GREATEST!!!!!

  • KING OF NYC

    pac is loved by white people(who don’t know shit about of hiphop… not the real white fans) and loved by young kids (that are ignorant & don’t know better).
    that fact is… pac became a superstar when he started getting into beefs/trouble/jail/& talking shit about everybody.
    before all the drama (he was a struggling rapper with medicore talent -no hate .just real talk

  • meenstreek

    Pac was a mediocre lyricist, but dude had passion on the mic.

    All Eyez on Me deserves top 50 status, but top 25 I don’t think so.

  • Moe Real

    As I’ve said before: 2Pac was emotional, that’s why TPAR and Tara like him so much; because they are emotional too. Bloggers are more cerebral…they like Ghostface and guys who can really spit.

  • b-ease

    b-ease Says:

    May 1st, 2007 at 1:52 am
    PAC THE G>O>A>T EnglandRepresen please shoot yaself. BIG couldnt fuck wit PAC. The only people on here is hating on PAC is Old ass EAST COAST NIGGAS. everybody else know who the greatest is. PAC took over hip hop singlehandly. HE took the WESTCOAST and SHITTED on the EASTCOAST. Thats why he is hated so much by eastcoast cats. They Still have yet to get over it. PAC dominated the charts while NAS was still screaming oochie Wally and Jay-z was saying money aint a thing and big pimpin. East coast cats hate not being on top thats why they hated the west then and hate the south now. They getting pissed on. Dr. Dre is the best producer of all time. WESTCOAST. PAC is the greatest rapper of allTIME. WESTCOAST. OUTKAST is the highest SELLING RAP GROUP OF alltime SOUTH. SO all cred the east have is starting HIP HOP cuz thats all they did. Every Coast took it and flipped it there own way and started gettin paid off of it. Thats the truth I know it hurts yall notherners feelins to hear the truth. Live it wit or die just like NY old school hip hop did.
    ^^^^^^^
    this is not me.

    One, i would never have made the dumbass mistake of saying that Nas was making oochie wally when pac was alive. Nas was actually the most respected lyricist spitting when Pac was alive, and Pac was THE highest selling, most POPULAR MC out. Jay dropped a classic the year Pac died, an album better than all of Pacs. New York hiphop is dead, and some people are bitter, not me. I’m bitter that most of what came in its stead are near-minstrel raps perpetrated with as little creativity as possible, and im not blaming it on the south.

    Yes, Dre is the greatest producer of all time. But thats’s established. I tend to agree that Kast is the greastest group, but its arguable.

    However, Pac is not the GOAT.

  • b-ease

    b-ease Says:

    PAC THE G>O>A>T EnglandRepresen please shoot yaself. BIG couldnt fuck wit PAC. The only people on here is hating on PAC is Old ass EAST COAST NIGGAS. everybody else know who the greatest is. PAC took over hip hop singlehandly. HE took the WESTCOAST and SHITTED on the EASTCOAST. Thats why he is hated so much by eastcoast cats. They Still have yet to get over it. PAC dominated the charts while NAS was still screaming oochie Wally and Jay-z was saying money aint a thing and big pimpin. East coast cats hate not being on top thats why they hated the west then and hate the south now. They getting pissed on. Dr. Dre is the best producer of all time. WESTCOAST. PAC is the greatest rapper of allTIME. WESTCOAST. OUTKAST is the highest SELLING RAP GROUP OF alltime SOUTH. SO all cred the east have is starting HIP HOP cuz thats all they did. Every Coast took it and flipped it there own way and started gettin paid off of it. Thats the truth I know it hurts yall notherners feelins to hear the truth. Live it wit or die just like NY old school hip hop did.
    ^^^^^^^
    this is not me.

    One, i would never have made the dumbass mistake of saying that Nas was making oochie wally when pac was alive. Nas was actually the most respected lyricist spitting when Pac was alive, and Pac was THE highest selling, most POPULAR MC out. Jay dropped a classic the year Pac died, an album better than all of Pacs. New York hiphop is dead, and some people are bitter, not me. I’m bitter that most of what came in its stead are near-minstrel raps perpetrated with as little creativity as possible, and im not blaming it on the south.

    Yes, Dre is the greatest producer of all time. But thats’s established. I tend to agree that Kast is the greastest group, but its arguable.

    However, Pac is not the GOAT.

  • The Spaniard

    As I was reading this post I realized that I have never bought a 2Pac release in my entire life. Nor have I ever sought his albums out explicitly. Does this mean I am “hating” on 2Pac? I have heard the vast majority of his catalogue and I am, to this day, underwhelmed to say the least (or most in this case). Don’t get me wrong there are songs that 2Pac made that I enjoyed on some level but nothing that I listen to on a regular basis. What I am looking for in MC leans toward creative wordplay and vocabulary combined with relavent subject matter. Sometimes creative and inventive wordplay or sheer outlandishness can be enough to carry a song alone for me regardless of subject matter. As an example, I love the songs “21 Gun Salute” and “Hit ‘Em Up” despite the facts that I couldn’t care less about “Rap Beef”, fake or real or that I actually like the people (Chino XL, Mobb Deep, Nas, Jay-Z) he was refering to better as artists. Overall all the 2Pac persona was a marketing gimmick that was successful in some areas and a failure in others.

  • RockaRude

    I never like 2Pac. Im glad you said what i was telling peeps all the time and they said i was crazy…

  • Combat Jack

    Didn’t I call this out like 2 years ago, almost to the effin date?

    http://www.byroncrawford.com/2005/05/tupac_is_way_ov.html

  • SKEEN

    IT’S AGAINST ALL ODDS, NOT 21 GUN SALUTE!!! AND THAT’S JUST ONE OF THE COUNTLESS HITS. PAC WAS BEST RAPPER, BEST BEEFER, BEST GANGSTA. THE GREATEST!!!! MOST THE RAPPERS OUT HAVE STOLEN EITHER LYRICS, BEATS, OR MELODIES FROM THE MAN.
    I’M NOT SAYING PAC WAS TOTALLY ORIGINAL ALL THE TIME, BUT WHEN HE SAMPLED MUSIC, HE MADE DAMN SURE THAT IT WAS GOOD MUSIC FROM THE BEGINNING!

  • …..

    “That cracka-ass cracka Noz’ list” It’s only right for people to bust Imus’s ball :| :| :|

  • http://yahoomail.com Official

    Im not surprised to read this on xxl b/c this is the same magazine that disrespected him by showing his autopsy in their mag. 2pac is everything your favorite rapper wants to be but can never accomplish. Even the so called greats like Nas have say who’s the best “PAC,BIGGIE, and Nas” thats in ether. On all eyes on me every track was different and real to whats going on nowdays. Tell me a rappa you aint heard bite Ambitions as a ridah. Makaveli tha 7 day theory is the truth. Listen to blasphemy and tell me you dont feel it. The intro is the truth. I can listen to every track off tha album and feel it. Bol you just bitch made for writting that, and to those that agree with bol tha same to you. I know the real reason you wrote that!

  • YOGI

    2pac hands down was 1 of the most prolific rapper of our time yeah he had some bullshit songs but name one rapper who has put out a substanial amount of music not put out bullshit track lilwayne as hot as he is now on every remix ive herd and i kno i aint the only one who think he has done some bullshit but he is still one of the top rappers out now pac knew that his day was comming soon so he figured he spit as much as he can for the small amount of time he was here so that yall would understand what he was sayen because pac stood up not to many rappers today stand up for us or even make songs that make us feel proud of our color; and for us him to be such a bullshit rapper why ever top rapper biten his lyircs

  • http://www.xxlmag.com WritersBlock

    b-ease Says:

    May 1st, 2007 at 1:23 am
    NickeNitro Says:

    April 30th, 2007 at 11:10 pm
    Jesus, are you kidding? Me Against the World was a great album. It was Pac’s ATLiens.
    ^^^^^^^^

    I see where you’re coming from with the analogy, but i definetly wouldnt compare the two in terms of quality. ATliens is leaps and bounds ahead…
    —————————————–

    Get Rich Or Die Trying has the most singles

  • 50 aka Ferrari F50

    YOU”RE A COCK! 2Pac was a god of hip hop, Makaveli & all eyez on me are top 10 easy, you’re opinion is obviously homosexualy based and i assume you like that boring fag nas…..yeah? i knew it.
    anyways, fuck off U COCK!

  • jrjomo

    All of his Pre-Suge Knight albums were good. Strictly 4 My N.I.G.G.A.Z. being the realest and best. Listen to that, and if that still wouldn’t make your top 25 then you are just hating.

  • these posts are racist

    Moe Real Says:

    May 1st, 2007 at 9:44 am
    As I’ve said before: 2Pac was emotional, that’s why TPAR and Tara like him so much; because they are emotional too. Bloggers are more cerebral…they like Ghostface and guys who can really spit.
    __________________
    That’s not true. I love Tupac because he was an amazing rapper and poet. He spoke to me and touched me on many levels. From the first time I heard him as a pre-teen, I was touched and moved by his flow and the content of his rap. 10 years after his death, I still listen to his music and am still inspired. Yes he was “emotional” at times, but that’s not why I think he’s the greates rapper.

    He was versatile, consistently dope and had a perfect flow. I mean, based on any objective criteria, the man was amazing. 10 years after his death, there isn’t a rapper that even comes close to taking his spot as the GOAT

  • Tha Ace

    boi you are a fuckin idiot
    your like perishable products too
    damn your dumb
    the shit he spent days on 95% of other rappers could never touch after a year of work

  • TIGERREDD

    BOL YOU DON’T EVEN KNOW WHO YOU ARE, SO I’M NOT EVEN GOING TO MENTION YOUR CRAPPY LIST WITHOUT PAC. READ TWO BOOKS, THE ISIS PAPERS AND MESSAGE TO A BLACK MAN AND YOU CAN LEARN SOMETHING MR. WHITE MAN!

  • TIGERREDD

    DAMN DOGG YOU GOT ME BLOCKED HUH! BITCH ASS YOU KNOW WHAT

  • youngfilth

    PAC HAS A POWERFUL VOICE. AS SOON AS HE STARTS RAPPING HE TRANSFORMS INTO SOMETHING ELSE. THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE FROM WHEN HE IS TALKING, WHEN TALKING YOU HEAR THE WISDOM IN HIS VOICE AND SOME MANY VIEWS AND IDEAS THAT SOMETIMES HE’S READY TO EXPLODE BECAUSE HE HAS SOME MUCH TO SAY IN SO LITTLE TIME. AND WHEN HE GETS ON THE TRACK HIS VOICE IS SO POWERFUL THAT IT DEMANDS YOUR ATTENTION, AND IT GETS YOU, AND SOMETIMES YOU MIGHT MISS SOMETHING IMPORTANT. AND IF YOU GO BACK AND LISTEN TILL THIS DAY, YOU LEARN SOMETHING NEW THAT HE WAS ACTUALLY TRYING TO TELL YOU THAT’S STILL REVELANT TILL THIS DAY. RIP PAC. YOUR MOVEMENT WAS REALLY NEEDED. AND NOW WHEN NEED SOMEONE ELSE IN THE GAME, TO STEP UP, AND I MUST ADMIT THEY HAVEN’T BEEN DISCOVERED YET. NAS IS THE ONLY ONE LEFT, AND IT SEEMS LIKE NO ONE IS LISTENING, BECAUSE IF WE WERE, THEN THERE WOULD BE MORE UNITY.

  • The bloggers are right

    By leaving Pac off the top album lists, the bloggers aren’t saying that he wasn’t a great rapper. He had the skill and charisma to be considered one of the greatest, but he never made a great album–an album with both near-flawless lyrics and production from beginning to end where each track fit into the overarching feel of the album.

    Essentially, if Dr. Dre had given Tupac his own Doggystyle, that album would undoubtedly be on these top lists. It never happened though, so get over it. The man made a lot of great songs, but he never made a great album.

  • James Bond

    Since when did metaphors equal hip hop?

    Also, don’t you people understand what a lyricist is? Someone who writes lyrics.

    So was Pac a lyricist? Yes. And so is everyone else who writes their own lyrics.

    It’s a waste of time to argue about someone elses opinion.

    What is hard to ignore is the money. Because that is how we Americans judge success or failure. And based on those standards, Tupac is one of the most successful, if not THE most successful rapper of all time.

    A lot of people like to comment on the complexity of Tupacs lyrics. I can only say that the man can bring it any style you want. Some people like to be alientated by their chosen style of music, the trouble with that is Tupac wasn’t trying to alienate anyone so his lyrics were similar to a fresh white tee, or a pair of fresh ones, or a hot plate of chicken and rice with just enough gravy on the rice with a tall glass of sweet ice tea. Timeless. Some kids enjoy fois gras with capers and onions, or perhaps caviar with goat cheese and a glass of wine. Maybe it makes them feel better than everyone else because they “get” what that kind of food and scene is about. The trouble is most of us “get” it but still don’t want to fuck with it. Hey, to each his own.

  • TUNE2IT

    OK OK 2pac before jail an all eyes on me was a great rapper after that he was a good rapper. Get it? I do caused I’m TUNED2IT

  • http://www.xxlmag.com Jared

    This ungly ass lookin mafucker always dissin someone fuck you nigga wot yo big black ass head bitch 2pac the greatest

  • http://www.xxlmag jlee

    This ungly ass nigga always dissin wit hs big black ass head pussy ass nigga he would not say nothing shit if Pac was still 2Pac the GRE Greatest Rapper ever nigga and what da hell have you done

  • kevin

    fuck all of u ttupac albums are the fucken shit yall a bunch of hating as niggers

  • Bang

    Bloggers tend to be bigger nerds than anybody, that’s why

  • MB

    That article was BULLSHIT!! Pac not one of the best? Wow! The writer must still be upset about Pac shittin on a lot of east coast rappers. Me Against the World, All Eyes on Me are not great albums? WTF!! Sounds Biased. It is definitely funny that nobody said this when he was alive. By the way, Master P saved hip hop! Who else was selling more music then. It appears that most are jealous of the money that P made. No Limit Music is no worse than some of that bullshit people from other regions putting out. Sounds like jealousy?

  • http://360.yahoo.com/deshawn772004 Federal Ranga

    To N-Credible…

    I’m black… I don’t like Pac. I ain’t the biggest Biggie fan either… but I’d cop his shit before Pac.

    All I’m saying is that maybe Bol’s right… maybe he’s wrong… but damn! Don’t hang on Pac’s nutz just cuz he’s “dead”. I mean, think about it… if you can actually sit up here and say that if he “was alive” he could fuck wit cats like Cass, Millz, Eminem, Luda or TIP? GTFOH.

  • ro

    ME AGAINST THE WORLD , ALL EYES ON ME , MAKAVELI NIGGA PLEASE PAC WAS HOT NOT THE BEST BUT A GOOD MC IN MY EYES

  • Fernando

    Federal Ranga..

    Cassidy, Eminem, Luda, or TI would all admit that Pac was nicer on the Mic than them.

    but, Cassidy??? WTF?????? Are you kidding me? That little clown that did the Room Key song with R Kelly? You lost any credibility to talk about Rap with that one. Cassidy is G-A-R-B-A-G-E, one of the worst rappers ever. Remember this line by your favorite rapper Cass? “Im nice with the pen like P-A-C”

    How do the likes of Joe Budden and Cassidy constantly get their names mentioned on these blogs? THEY SUCK…REALLY REALLY BAD. I swear, some of the worst east coast rappers get so much props for no damn reason. Swiss Beatz and Just Blaze make crappy beats too.

  • http://xxlmag.com d

    HOW CAN YOU PAC HATERS SIT AND SAY PAC ISNT THE GREATEST POUND FOR POUND THE NIGGA IS THE BEST ON SOME ALI SHIT DIDNT NAS SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO PUT IT PLAIN AND SIMPLE THE NIGGA DID ARGUABLY THE BEST 3 ALBUMS IN HIP HOP IN ONLY A YEAR AND A HALF.TELL YOUR FAVORITE RAPPERS TO DO THAT !!THEY CANT NIGGAZ MIGHT GOT ONE CLASSIC OR MAYBE 2 BUT THOSE SPAN THROUGH OUT WHOLE CAREERS AND SHIT !! HE WASNT THE BEST IN EVERY LEVEL BUT HIS STRENGTH OUTWAYED HIS WEAKNESS BY FAR!!!

  • INJEKTR_RGSR

    lol u say all thiz shit about pac, how bout u come to cali and give anyone thiz fagget ass writing, i bet u wouldnt be writin thiz shit anymore cali niggas read thiz

  • whatever

    Your talking about shit you don’t know about. Plain And simple. You never heard his first three ( 2pacalypse Now, Strictly For My N.I.G.G.A.Z., and Thug Life – his project.) My question is WTF were you listening to then? Seriously, what.
    Apparently you missed out, he’s gone and I feel sorry for your Mama.

  • whatever

    Oh Yeah and the Master P comparison F.U. dude. F.U.

  • Shorty DooWhop

    here’s what i don’t get. alot of cats on here, including bol are meticulously analyzing every single thing Pac had done or said. Now i’m definitely one of the biggest Pac fans ever, but i’ll admit that he’s mad some mistake. However, he’s human just like everyone else. Everyone’s favorite rapper has has a fuck up or two (i.e. Jay-kingdom come) wit the exception of probably B.I.G. but Pac was genuine. And though his lyrics weren’t the most prolific, they were poetic and tracks like “white manz world” and “blasphemy” made Makaveli a certified classic. Say what you wanna say, but ya’ll need to stop all the hatin on Pac. He’s one of the greatest and arguably the G.O.A.T so let him and his legacy rest in peace!

  • http://xxlmag KANE CORLEONE

    BIRDSFLYSOUTH, WE MUST HAVE BEEN SEPARATED @ BIRTH!!!! NY BREEDS HATE

  • money to be made

    dumbest article of all time..

  • tru money

    Regardless of what these east coast niggas believe you wont change there minds. Everybody really nows that PAC is the GOAT. No rapper has ever made more of an impact on hip hop other than PAC. Mostly old no life east coast niggas get on this site thats why it seems like a lot of peoples agree with dude but reality if the world had a poll on the GOAT PAC would be #1. Like dude said up top he is the muhammad Ali of hip hop. But like I said East Coast dudes are known to be haters theres nothing else for them to do. You wont change there mind so why argue. They think KRS one is top five of all time. HAHAHA
    NEW YORK IS DEAD, JERSEY WTF NOBODYS, PHILLY When a dude name Gillie the kid says he the KING OF philly NUFF SAID,

  • rizzop2003

    Any fuckin fake ass nigga on this site that claims to be a thug is tupacs kids…if you rocking bandanas an and got tats all over your ass its probably cuz of tupac…if you drink thugs passion, you got it from pac. The fact that the man spoke up for himself and said alot of shit that alot of other fake ass niggas wouldnt is testament to itself…hell the man BEEN dead and the fact hundreds of ya’ll are responding says it all. And finally if you ever feed into rap beef its because tupac made that shit pop of like that. The man lived with his heart on his sleeve, unlike alot of these assholes calling themselves rappers, MCs or whomever that ya’ll calling king, or the G.O.A.T. Bottom line is the man lived what he rapped and he even took on a whole coast full of niggas b4 he died…let that man rest, but give him his respect

  • rizzop

    The fact that man could do any type of song showed how diverse he could be. He could make you laugh, cry, fight with a nigga…he could make you go hug yo momma! I can see why people hate, because nobody respects anyone that can come and actually be an ARTIST….the whole world doesnt know who the man is just because he rapped, but because he went through the struggle we all got through called life and he made something everyone of his fans could relate to. When Delores tucker was attacking our music, he was one of the only ones that stood up to that shit….You can even look now and see mainstream anmerica attacking our music, and not one fucking rapper or mc has really stepped up and defended an art form they “love” so much….. Theres no one speaking on how fucked the world has become,or trying to change it its all about money now. So even if he aint on a stupid list, he will always be a legend…”never realizing the precious time bitch niggas is wastin”

  • http://www.myspace.com/wreckroomproductions WreckRoomProductions

    I’m with you on this one bol, as far as i’m concerned there is not one artist in hip-hop history as overrated as pac. I’m not even saying he was terrible, he was just so-so to me. I’ve been saying this since before he died, almost got into a few fights after he died for saying the same thing. Anyone who says he was the greatest emcee of all time needs to question why they are in love with mediocrity. imho He was someone who ended up believeing his own bullshit and died because of it.

  • TDL

    LOL,

    I swear I just saw this same subject over at hiphopdx posted by SY, wtf. I guess BOL aint got much to say over here, which clearly explains his comments. Be original dawg.

  • EReal

    Fernando Says:

    May 1st, 2007 at 6:22 pm
    Federal Ranga..

    Cassidy, Eminem, Luda, or TI would all admit that Pac was nicer on the Mic than them.
    ^^^^^^^
    Is that because they actually think Pac is better, or because they would be crucified by the hiphop community if they said they were better??
    Hmmm…..

    1 hunned.

  • KNOWBODY

    YOU fuckers have a whole lot of time on your hands to go back and forth about this shit PAC FOREVER BITCHES!!!!!!!!!!!

  • KNOWBODY

    YOU fuckers have a whole lot of time on your hands to go back and forth about this shit PAC FOREVER BITCHES!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Ali

    if ur gonna keep it real, then do so neway…..u said ur not an expert in his work i respect that & ay every1′s got their opinion…..4 me i look at B.I.G. tha same way…i aint an expert but 2 me he fuckin sucks

  • Rob

    Fuck This Guy Pac Is The Best Of All Time. Atleaat There Was Some Substance In His Music. We Can’t all Be 10 Year Old Rappers From Atlanta. By The Way Check Out The New Brother Ali Album. Now Thats Hip Hop.

  • trill recognize trill

    man its time you people understand that dude was not never no lyricist (even tho he was dispite what you fuckheads say pretty throwed with the flow) he was meerly tryin to be a voice for the people and the dying youth. he was just writtin songs about what we were all going through and giving encouragement. see what you all fail to understand is that his movment was about more than just rap, bling bling, or whos the best,king,etc. so get yallz fuckin minds correct and then speak about my boy.

  • http://www.myspace.com/wreckroomproductions WreckRoomProductions

    damn did my last commment get deleted or am i going crazy.

  • daleenkwent1

    ur a fuckin tard homie pac was is and 4ever will be not only legendary but the best rapper to shit a lyric into a microphone. u got ur shit fuked up dog really tho. if wat u says correct and pac didnt spend time on wat he wrote then qualifies him to an even higher hip hop god status not that he could even get much higher. and also how the fuck u say some shit like pac aint deep. ur real lost in ur own ignorance if u believe that bullshit

  • Dat Nigg

    I want to give a few examples of how stupid you 2pac haters are.
    1.) Picture a place where we exist, together
    There has to be a place better than this, in heaven
    So right before I sleep dear god what I’m askin
    Remeber this face, save me a place…

    2.) Come listen to my truest thoughts, my truest feelings
    All my peers doing years beyond drug dealing
    How many caskets can we witness
    Before we see it’s hard to live
    This life without God, so we must ask forgiveness
    Ask mama why God deserved to die
    Witness the tears falling free from my eyes
    Before she could reply

    3 Mislead from childhood where I went astray
    Till this day I still pray for a better way

    4 Driven by my ambitions, desire higher positions
    So I proceed to make Gs, eternally in my mission
    Is to be more than just a rap musician
    The elevation of today’s generation
    If could make ‘em listen

    Fucking listen to the music. This guy should be fired. Shame on whoever doubts 2pac. 2pac didn’t make the best albums because he was constantly rushing material, he promised Suge he would make him music, and he did. He prophesized his death numerous times, talked about adversity, friends who have died. What more can you want? Listen to I aint mad at cha, Life Goes On, My block (remix preferably), starin through my rear view, thugz mansion and tell me he sucks. Reading this made me lose respect for this site, 2pac is the best rapper of all time, although biggie is very close, it’s personal opinion though, god bless

  • Dat Nigg

    i meant to add that Me Against the world, although there aren’t many popularized pop tart cute beats, its all about the MESSAGE, ya’ll who need beats are missing the point. Listen to the music.

  • Getoffthecomputerplease

    Old School Lyrics
    Artists: 2Pac
    Album: Me Against the World
    by 2Pac

    Here we go; we gonna send this one out to the old school
    All these motherfuckers in the Bronx, and Brooklyn, and Staten Island
    Queens, and all the motherfuckers that laid it down, the foundation
    yaknowhatI’msayin? Nuttin but love for the old school
    That’s who we gonna do this one for, ya feel me?

    “What more could I say? I wouldn’t be here today
    if the old school didn’t pave the way” –> Grand Puba
    (repeat 3X)

    I remember Mr. Magic, FLASH, Grandmaster Caz
    LL raisin hell but, that didn’t last
    Eric B. & Rakim was, the shit to me
    I flip to see a Doug E. Fresh show, with Ricky D
    and Red Alert was puttin in work, with Chuck Chill
    Had my homies on the hill gettin ill, when shit was real
    Went out to steal, remember Raw, with Daddy Kane
    when De La Soul was puttin Potholes in the game
    I can’t explain how it was, Whodini
    had me puffin on that buddha gettin buzzed, cause there I was
    Them block parties in the projects, and on my block
    You diggi don’t stop, sippin on that Private Stock
    Through my speaker Queen Latifah, and MC Lyte
    Listen to Treach, KRS to get me through the night
    With T La Rock and Mantronix, to Stetsasonic
    Remember “Push It” was the bomb shit, nuttin like the old school

    (chorus)

    Heheh… I had, Shell Toes, and BVD’s
    A killer crease inside my Lee’s when I hit the streets
    I’m playin skelly, ring to leavey, or catch a kiss
    before the homies in my hood learned to smack a bitch, I remember
    way back, the weak weed they had
    Too many seeds in the trey bag
    I’m on the train headin uptown, freestylin
    with some wild kids from Bucktown, profilin
    cause the hoochies was starin, thinkin, “Why them niggaz swearin?”
    I’m wonderin if that’s her hair, I remember
    Stickball, pump the hoochies on the wall
    or takin leaks on the steps, stinkin up the hall
    Through my childhood, wild as a juvenile
    A young nigga tryin to stay away from Riker’s Isle
    Me and my homies breakin nights, tryin to keep it true
    Out on the roof sippin 90 proof, ain’t nuttin like the old school

    (chorus)

    Hahah… remember poppin and lockin to Kurtis Blow, the name belts
    And Scott LaRock the Super Hoe back in Latin Quarters
    When Slick Rick was spittin La-Di-Da-Di
    Gamin the hoochies at the neighborhood block parties, I remem-ber
    breakdancin to Melle Mel
    Jekyll and Hyde, LL when he Rocks the Bells
    Forget the TV, about to hit the streets and do graffiti
    Be careful don’t let the transit cops see me
    It ain’t nuttin like the old school!

    (Grand Puba sample repeats every bar to end)

    Remember seein Brooklyn go crazy up in the motherfuckin party?
    Member how fuckers used to go, “Is Brooklyn in the house?”
    and motherfuckers would lose they GOD DAMN MIND

    Your insecurities are obvious.

  • Fernando

    Ereal

    Who Cares? Its the truth whether they believe it or not. Cassidy????? Luda???? TI ?????? Damn, theyre not even in the same class.

    Its funny how quicky people forget how dope he was, and how every high school in America was bumpin All Eyez On Me circa 1998. Makaveli was dope. As was Me Against The World (no matter what sellout Bol says. Have you seen his latest album review? Some Irish folk band! How COULD he feel Pac??)

    Pac was a superstar that made music that the grimiest folks could listen to. He perfected making songs for ladies without sounding corny like everyone does these days. He had ill production to the point that people still bite old beats he used (Kanye – Drive Slow Homey for example). People who cant feel him probably just didnt get it.

  • these posts are racist

    Fernando,

    And you get it? Have you read your racist posts? You think you feel or understand ‘Pac? Or that ‘Pac would feel or understand a racist like you?

    Unreal.

  • DANJA29

    I don’t think bloggers dislike Pac as much as they dislike his groupie-esque fans (many of whom didn’t love the nigga half as much when he was alive) who insist that you MUST include Pac in every discussion/list/article on hip-hop. I don’t dislike Pac at all… but I can’t stand those super-fans he has tho’. Let them tell it, that nigga started civilization.

  • http://www.fuckbol.com XXL

    2pac did start civilization you faggot. LOL

  • Randy Watson

    great rapper + wack beats = mediocre albums

  • http://www.fuckbol.com XXL

    Does everyone think all tupac songs had bad beat what about hail mary, i ain’t mad at cha and life goes on

  • a-tracc

    Dogg you sound as fucked up as that journalist for the L.A. times who said that Biggie was responsible for Tupac being murdered in Vegas. Now I do agree that Pac wasn’t the best rapper ever, but that nigga had two classic albums. He is one of the only rappers dead or alive that can rap about any topic. He was also the first rapper who started this double CD shit. Anyway how the fuck were you able to make your own Blog. Long Beach, CA Fo Life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • QMoney

    Everyone please come to your senses and realize Pac is the MOST OVERRATED rapper in the history of hip hop. For years I’ve had this discussion with my boy and finally he has found the light. Pac had no clue who he was as a man. His contradictions help build his legacy but officially took him out of the running for being the “voice of the people.” Fuck outta here with that. Just because you rhyme well doesn’t mean you’re a great MC. Listen to how Big or Jay or hell, Lupe Fiasco craft their rhymes…wordplay, sick metaphors, subtle references. Just a couple days ago I picked up on a reference Big made on Ten Crack Commandments. Sick. Now, having said all that, Pac probably deserved an album at least in the top 50 cause he was a good rapper. But everyone with GOAT next to that man’s name, please stop the fuckin’ shit.

  • makaveli_707

    This has to be the biggest bullshit article i have ever read!!! 2Pac is the greatest rapper ever!!! Period!!! This fat basterd is just an eastcoast dicklicker!!! The east cost is full of hate… they hate the south cause they on top right now… they hate whoever is number 1! If pac was yellin ny then this fat bitch would have all his albums on his top 5!!! Fuck the eastcost hatin ass bitches!!! New york new york big city of dreams but everthing in new york aint always wut it seems!!!

  • QMoney

    Now, if we’re talking great songs, Pac has got a few in the top 25. But a few hot songs doesn’t make a great album. Let Pac’s legacy be that he died too young and never manifested his potential. But I still think his best albums were B efforts at best.

  • http://www.toyota.com.au lee

    so y does every rapper alive want to act like pac and use his lyrics ??? from jay-z to nas to lil wayne to evry other proffessional and wanna be?
    heres one idea. YOU HAVE NO TASTE AND DONT KNOW WHAT HIP HOP MEANS!

  • kambani

    fuck you bol……..suck a fat dick punk

  • http://yahoo.com yacksippa

    dear xxl why do you guys have this ass hole on this site he is such a shit head

    i think you guys have him on here to piss pepole off with his bullshit views on hip hop

  • http://www.2pac.com Si Ryan

    yo yall cant hate on tupac… yall just mad cuz there aint no mc today that can touch his shit.. pac is tha real deal.. yall already been brought into tha fashion show of rap… muthafuckas..

  • Doughboy

    I don’t know who wrote this article But the person clearly isn’t a fan of hip-hop cause what he’s sayin is pure garbage

  • bron

    Pac is great, but not of all time. I do think he is a little overrated. He can only give you the feelings or the emotional distress. But i can’t listen to that all the time. Im not in that mode all the time. I cant hear dear momma, or Brendas got a baby every moment of the day. Those songs get played on anniversary’s. And he has plenty of songs like that. Im 28 and im a huge hip hop fan. But 2pac wasnt in my system or my squad system. Im sorry but i aint feel him. Maybe the way he put it or the lyrical content or style of it. It wasn’t philly for me or brooklyn fo me or have that east appeal. And who says that Jay aint real. He raps with honesty and integrity in hte majority f his rymes. Its his integrity and I feel it as well as relate to it. I don’t have to be rich to relate. And when its just rymes and fun I feel a couple of other rappers before I feel Pac. he is top 10, but I hardly Never throw in a 2pac cd and ride to it. Just aint my thing. To each its own. But jay-z gives you the most hits you can fit inside a disc. All different stuff. And its witty and lyrical too

  • Fernando

    TPAR –

    Nobody cares what you say clown. You are a bafoon. And its not hard to understand what he was talking about, as much as jokes like you try to over-analyze. And I never said Pac would give a rat’s a** about me, because he damn sure wouldnt give a sh*t about a sorry punk like you.

    P.S – I heard K-Mart was having a sale on pink towels, it probably wouldnt hurt for you to buy a replacement for that smelly rag you keep on your head. Camel f*cker!

  • Fernando

    Bron –

    Of course he is overrated. But he is still sic wit it. Same with Biggie. The hype has far surpassed the body of work, but both of em were still better than 95% of what is out today. Especially all the after death albums. Most of them were terrible. But Pac did have 4-5 dope albums. Biggie had 2.

  • http://raptism.com Gambler

    why do bloggers hate 2Pac? easy answer is they are internet nerds who crave attention – they know they will get the ire of a few hundred people. They like posting stuff that annoys people to generate response – and here I am responding so I guess it works.

  • trillion

    Look only peoplee whow hating on PAC and is in denial are old east coast dudes. BRON dont mention Jay-z and PAC in the same sentence. Thats like saying wayne is better than Jay-z now just because he hot right now. Pac took hip hop to where it is today. BIG is overated it takes more than two albums to be a great. Jay-Z is top 5 dont get me worng but NAS is better. You est coast dudes stuck on this metaphor and punchline shit. Its not about that shit its about spitting some shit what most people can relate to and that what seperated PAC from the rest. Jay z was talking about Big Pimpin, Can I get a What, Money aint a thang, and other bullshit every artist puts out so dont play like he was consistent.
    PAC is the greatest. Its down in the books. Top rappers of all time Pac is 1. Eminem is better than Jay-Z. shit tony yayo is better than jay z haha LMAO j/k. PAC is the greatest. No matter where you from ya favorite rapper will tell ya the same

  • jada

    ERY1 SHUD SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!! 2PAC is SICK NO1 except PAPOOSE IS AS GOOD AS HIM.SO NUTTIN LIKE HE WAS OVER RATED.SO U GET MII.ERY BODY IS JUST AFRAID 2 ACCEPT D FACT SUM1 IS AS GUD AS HIM SO JUS 4GET ABOUT IT

  • K. Esco

    honestly pac wasnt that great i feel like there are some mcs that top him like rakim and of course nasty nas who is more poetic than Pac and can tell a story better than slick rick and although he only had 2 albums BIG was beastin pac also

  • calimovement

    Pac…greatest rapper of all time. Haters get away or my lead will spray.

  • Funati

    ahhh all these bloggers don’t know shit about music.

    years from now, when hip hop will be dead and gone, only a side note in music history only one name will stand alongside those of Curtis Mayfield, Marvin Gaye & Stevie Wonder, and that is Tupac Shakur (okay… maybe Outkast too).
    that’s because emotions stay relevent forever, and all those punch-lines east-coast dickriders are worshiping will not be that funny anymore.

    Pac’s the GOAT. keep on hating, history will prove u wrong.

  • SOUTHERNBREED

    HOW THE HELL U GON SAY THAT PAC NEVER MADE A GREAT ALBUM!!!!
    OF COURSE U GONNA RIDE BIGGIE’S DICK HARD!
    I LIKE BIG AND I THINK HE’S ONE OF THE GREATS.
    BUT, “MAKAVELI”, “ME AGAINST THE WORLD” AND “ALL EYEZ ON ME”, WERE GREAT ALBUMS!!!
    COME ON MAN, BIGGIE ONLY DID TWO ALBUMS AND SOME OF JAY’S STUFF WASN’T THAT GOOD, EVEN NAS FLOPPED A FEW TIMES!
    A LEAST ONE OF THOSE PAC ALBUMS I JUST SAID SHOULD BE IN THE TOP 25!
    DO YOUR RESEARCH BEFORE YOU SAY SHIT LIKE THAT!

  • SOUTHERNBREED

    WHAT U MEAN PAC DIDN’T HAVE A GREAT ALBUM
    LOOK AT,”ME AGAINST THE WORLD”,”ALL EYEZ ON ME” AND “MAKAVELI”!!!!
    AT LEAST ONE OF THOSE THREE SHOULD BE IN THE TOP 25!!!!
    OF COURSE YOU’R PROBABLY A BIGGIE DICK RIDER!
    I LIKE BIG TOO, BUT DUDE ONLY PUT OUT TWO ALBUMS!
    JAY-Z HAD SOME LUKEWARM ALBUMS AND SO DID NAS!
    BUT I BET YOU GOT THEM IN THE TOP 25 HUH!???
    I AIN’T HATIN JAY OR NAS,BUT YA’LL NEED TO GROW UP!
    YA’LL STILL ACTIN STUPID OVER THE WHOLE EAST/WEST THING!
    SO YA’LL STILL HATIN PAC!

  • these posts are racist

    “P.S – I heard K-Mart was having a sale on pink towels, it probably wouldnt hurt for you to buy a replacement for that smelly rag you keep on your head. Camel f*cker!”

    Fern-

    Thanks for exposing yourself for the ignorant/racist hick that you are.

    And yes, Tupac actually wrote songs and did what he did…for people like me.

  • mars

    I agree with those that think Pac was overrated and his deification makes no sense for me. I really liked his movies tho’. Gridlock’d was cool and so was Gang Related and of course he nailed it in Juice. Better actor than rapper by far.

  • ty from linden blvd

    But you have to wonder how much better any of those albums would be if he did spend more time on them. Though it’s generally regarded as 2Pac at his most introspective, nothing about Me Against the World suggests to me that ‘Pac was any more thoughtful a rapper than, say, Master P. In fact, those last few 2Pac albums were obviously a blueprint for all of those shitty No Limit albums that followed in their wake.

    yo whats really funny is i was listening to the 7 day theory just last week,and i kinda came to the same conclusion.i eneded up taking it out and after all these years i think i’m done wit pac.he does have quite a few tracks i love(live and die in la is my favorite pac track…and i’m from nyc!!)and i most def recognize his importance in the game,but as far as all that g.o.a.t. talk it needs to stop.the same people who claim pac is the best have lil brothers and possibly children who claim lil wayne is the best.thousands of shit head families!!

  • Chris

    Here’s the thing.
    1. To answer the question of the guy (and there’s always one guy” who brought up that annoying cliche “opinions are like assholes…”, that unfortunately common cop out defeats the process of intelligent discussion. At that point, why evaluate or discuss or think about anything? What’s the point if everyone has an opinion, which you are apparently to superior to bother with?
    2. Taste in music isn’t subjective. Somehow in the last 50 years, with the rise of music as the dominant art form, it became unacceptable to accept that maybe there is good and bad music. There is clearly good and bad art, film, and literature, but because music is inherantly populist now, critically re-evaluating music is a no-no to the public. With that said, the majority of people who have this attitutde listen to bad music (unsurprisingly, seeing how many people unfortunately don’t bother to challenge themselves mentally, that their opinions about art would be lacking).
    3. Don’t be so defensive. If you can’t really go back, sit down, and think about some critiques of something you love, you’ve failed Humanity 101 in a lot of ways. There’s a talent to being able to objectively look at something you like and separate “Things I like that are good, things that i like that I know suck”. A lot fo you should look into it.
    4. Tupac is popular solely for star quality. Tupac is a CELEBRITY more than a rapper. He was a good looking guy with charisma and attitude, but (save for “Hit ‘Em Up”, though his boys’ verses were better than his), that doesn’t make him the GREATEST RAPPER or entitled him to have the GREATEST ALBUMS. Star quality does not an artist make. This is the equivalent of calling Brad Pitt the greatest actor of all time. His lyrics were empty Tony Robbins/Oakland G-lite style and with all of the claims of him being lyrically deep and emotional, he never said anything of any poetic substance, whereas there’s a large list of rappers who have. He did have a recognizable flow. So lets add that up: Amazingly singular flow+star quality. How the fuck does that elevate him past ‘decent’ status? There are lots of rock artists who have fit the same criteria who have been recognized for being terrible. Even his Greatest Hits album is lacking. Shitty beats, boring lyrics, contrived, convoluted, unfocused lyrics and songs and themes, and opinons, at that. Honestly, you can sum his best work up with “Hit ‘Em Up”, “I Get Around” and “Keep Your Head Up”. Not only can anyone do what he did, but many people did and have. It’s also fucking insulting to make Pac a martyr. Pac was an ACTOR. Pac went to ART SCHOOL. Any bad things that happened to Pac were Pac’s fault. Why is there no personal responsibility? He was smart enough to know what he was doing. Has anyone ever considered that he might have beena bit of an asshole who was constantly machinating for fame? Pac was interesting for these idiosyncracies, but enough people in life have them, why should I give a shit when a musician does? If you really idolize Pac, then I feel sorry for you because your worship is aimless and without reason and you should educate yourself about the world a bit. Tupac was undeniably an interesting public figure, but that doesn’t validate his work as good. It sells papers and air time.

    The truth is, so many people have given up on thinking, because it hurts them too, so they feel attacked if you question their opinions. It’d be interesting to hear from those in kneejerk opposition to state how much music they actually listen to. What general knowledge and balance they have of the vast array of sounds and genres they have that would quantify them even having the ability to judge music. From my experience, Tupac fans are the dumbest niggas I’ve ever met. And the most niggerish people I’ve ever met.

    3. Basically: Pac is very overrated (like a LOT of things), has no good albums, and re-evaluating things is good. IF we didn’t there would be no progress. Be open minded, goddamit. The fact that people get so angry if you even make a slight disparaging comment about him is a problem.

    4. I wish I had written this better. But it’s early.

  • Your mom bitch

    really how do you have job

  • sp3

    Bol please learn how to spell. In your first sentence you spelled ever wrong. It is not spelled evar it’s ever Mr.Dumas!

  • private0552

    Tupac was nothing more than a loud mouth little runt of a man….Biggie had it going on AND knew how to rap…. Tupac just was raw……and i don’t mean in a good way.

  • 9.0

    all y’all sayin pac wasn t good or pac was overrated must be white or a loyal worker 4 george bush pacs album me against the world was a striaght classic songs like aint nothing like the old school and death around da corner not 2 mention dear mama which probably caught ure boss bush’s heart maan hip hop is dead……

  • mak

    thug life was a classic strickly 4 my niggaz classic thats why he clearly states STRICKLY 4 MY NIGGAZ only 4 them people mis understood pac cause he was comin from different angles of understanding and tryin 2 reach out 2 a certain crowd thats why the media wont give him props i personaly think they put him and elton john on a song together 2 get @ black people they could of put rod stewart or robbie williams even think about it its like puttin george michael with bob marley it just does nt make sense but anyway ME AGAINST THE WORLD, THUG LIFE, ALL EYES ON ME should b in top 20 greatestest lp’s.

  • d-nasty

    2pac would be rolling in his grave if he knew the negative things people were saying about him.

  • Dj Harris

    9x Platinum Plaques for 1 album doesnt lie…

    your clearly a faggot who has Eminem and 50 Cent on his list.

  • http://2pac.com s-s-s

    your opnion is shit learn how to spell you gay ass mother fucker

  • Whizz

    Comparing Master P and 2pac is a total nonsense! This article made me wonder if the author is really THAT hip-hop educated as he picture himself to be. Your Microsoft Word typed shit deserves to be erased along with yor HD. Good Luck!

  • Hoffa

    You ARE one of the “2pac haters”…step your game up son…2pac is a legend and an icon!! He is to us, what Elvis is to white people…

  • julius

    Tupac deserves all braggin rights when it comes to whos the best in the Hip Hop game. Also 2pac to this day has sold more albums than any other rapper arcoss the world so why not put him up there, he does deserve it. No other rapper has made more of an impact to the game than what 2pac has done so dont hate man he tha sh*t and forever will be period point blank.

  • tha 1 frm the real JAMAICA

    suck u mada BOL.in simple and jamaican terms.
    u obviously dont have no respect for rap music.all eyes on me was the historical double disc that set the pace for half of good double disc albums now(i can tell when last one went plat,apart from Life after death)…pac(),biggie(ready to die),nas(illmatic),outkast(aquemini),busta rhymes(extiction level event),dr.dre(chronic), all deserve to be in the top 20 albums on that list..while pac doesnt have the most polished flow his introspective does get under the message behind the line rather than the hot metaphor or simile that rhymes..and not all the rythmed were shitty back then

  • mrLex

    ‘those last few 2Pac albums were obviously a blueprint for all of those shitty No Limit albums that followed in their wake.’

    co-signs.

  • http://www.xxlmag.com Coregunner

    Me against the World one of the best records ever made. Only “Black men in America” know how it is to be a “Black man in America”

    They hate on Pac and idolize Elvis who took songs and dance moves from “black” people.

    For things to change we must rebuild the fabric of this country. If every one was treated like humans from the start we would not have this problem

    The Evil that men do

  • Lance

    Tupac is the Greatest of all time. That nigga went 8x Plat. He had quality songs and people jammed his music. White, brown, asian, Chinese, latino everybody listened to pac.

    Pac was a lyricist. Pac was the best.

    Shame n you Bol.

  • stevofasho

    The reality is that pac was a street dude that connected with people across the board! It would take all day to state the impact that this dude hade in decatur, Ga when me against the world dropped. Pac was beyond rap he was beyong a hip hop star de nigga was real! He connected with everybody. Yo its not hard 2 see that if u are a hip hop fan and u hating on pac this hard then….u just hate tupac!! It dont have shit to do with Me against the world or All eyes on me etc. peace out rip 2pac

  • stevofasho

    The reality is that pac was a street dude that connected with people across the board! It would take all day to state the impact that this dude hade in decatur, Ga when me against the world dropped. Pac was beyond rap he was beyong a hip hop star de nigga was real! He connected with everybody. Yo its not hard 2 see that if u are a hip hop fan and u hating on pac this hard then….u just hate tupac!! It dont have shit to do with Me against the world or All eyes on me etc. peace out rip 2pac

  • stakks

    pac’s my favorite rapper hands down his songs got me through a lot..All Eyez On Me is my favorite but i really love Better Dayz and Until The End Of Time… now that new shht they fuckin over my dog work but i still listen dude from da top waz right most of his beats waz wack but that don’t take away from da lyrics fuck all u pac haters

    • zayzkidd

      See what I mean??? Niggaz think that “til the end of time” and “better dayz” are some of his best work.

  • zayzkidd

    Pac put out the best double cd ever, by far, and Biggie and Bone tried to match it but couldn’t succeed. Here’s a few albums of Pac’s that, to an unbiased fan, would be in the top 10:

    1. All Eyes On Me
    2. Me Against the World
    3. Makaveli
    4. Thug Life

    I am talking about Pac before his death, not the albums people put out to try to kill his legacy after his death(Eminem and Diddy).

  • lalao

    “Nobody can compete 2pac, this is not me but Biggie in an interview in 1995, he had noted a list of rappers.

  • lalao

    else explain me why pac is in the record books for being the rapper who has sold the most records around the world (80 million) which found the 25 best rap album he does not love Pac so here is the result when no one likes you not seek to love and to remain ignorant is a follows.
    RIP Pac.

  • lalao

    it’s like mr clean eminem best rapper alive and elected, (but not must not kidding) JAY ELECTRONICA, Guilty Simpson, etc … to go back pac, it is only the trial of a critical influences

  • http://www.kevvaah.hyves.nl Kevvaah

    WOOOOW…
    This guy is really trippin…I mean i really understand that Tupac isnt your favorite rapper…But at least respect his work. He spoke for the people around the whole world. Im from Holland and he’s the most popular rapper over here. Not because his image that you haterz have. But his realness. Tupac lyrics are deep… you can lstin to it and think you understand it…But I think for some American dudes you really need to understand the deeper message. I think you are just upset that no one can touch Tupac…even in his death n one ever touch his level…And no one reaches people like he do… Rappers like jayz and Nas… They are made rappers. The are rapping about kinds of things that doesnt matter you know. They take away the meaning of Hiphop. There is really a reason for that…Because I think they are in the Illuminati… If you don’t have respect for The 7day theory Killuminati… that say’s something about your character and you dont have any idea whats going on… I really want to type some more shit…But I Think you have to study on some real hiphop… Like Tupac… DAS EFX…Rakim… I really think that zack de la rocha from Rage Against the machine has more greater lyrics than some Nas or Jayz…

  • HipHop4Lyfe

    I Co-sign he spat over some horrible beats,but Pac holds a special place in a true HipHop heads life. Pac may not have been the most skilled rapper of his time, however he painted pictures that marked periods of our lives; and did a damn good job of it.

  • http://vainspiringthoughts.info/ Muriel Ochinang

    I can’t consider I’ve ever witnessed a web site on this several comments on it!

  • jskjkflsakfafjkl

    LIKE ANYONE GIVES A FUCK ABOUT YOUR LIST 2PAC IS A WORLDWIDE LEGEND AS FOR YOU WELL YOU WRITE A BLOG

    I REST MY CASE!!!

  • Mykullkhan

    What a dumb ass, you don’t know anything. Clearly Jay-Z, BIG, Nas and others who even got dissed respected the man as an artist. You’re just sad.

  • http://braces4 henrythe8th

    more gangster than you dream of being rip