What The Peanut Butter And Jelly Shit Is This?!?

It wasn’t but five minutes ago that Ofrah Winfrey was turning 50 years old and dancing up a storm to Fisty Scent’s megahit ‘In Da Club’. Now Ofrah done did an about face and shitted on Russell Simmons during a lap dance. But that’s how a prostitute will act when her pimp snaps his finger, and you best believe Ofrah is a prostitute. The thing you have to recognize about a prostitue that is different from a ho is that a prostitute is loyal to her pimp. A ho will eff with whoever pays her for that trick. A slut does it for the love of the game. So if a nigga calls a bitch a ho, but he nevers pays anything for the trick, that bitch was a slut and miles away from being a prostitute. This is another reason why Hip-Hop is dying… Niggas don’t know the difference between sluts, ho’s and prostitutes.

I blame 80’s babies for not being able to tell the difference. If you leave Hip-Hop music in their hands this shit will cease to exist in less than two years. Why? Because they all have the same voice. Everybody fresh out the trap. Ha! Y’all niggas wouldn’t know the first fucking thing to do in the trap. And when I say y’all niggas I’m especially talking to the white that read this page. Yes, y’all neggars! You living on borrowed time in the trap every fucking second and when you go to spend that dough you might get a pair of sneakers out of a day’s work and you might not. Why? Because every fucking body is in the trap with you. Y’all niggas is racing after fiends to make a sale before you get underbid. It’s so ridiculous that you hope you see your uncle or cousin looking to copp that way you can make a sale with no competition. Now somebody in the trap catches feelings because you have made more sales than he has. Pop, pop, pop.

I had to learn firsthand that there was no money, or future in that lifestyle. I lived it before niggas rapped about it. It hasn’t changed and there’s even less money in the trap than before. It’s not like there’s less fiends, but there’s more niggas standing on the block, and there’s more shorties to take their place after they get knocked. Some dumb azz nigga was telling me how T.I. has these remorseful songs about living the lifestyle. If that’s the case then maybe he shouldn’t be dealt a class action lawsuit for all the little niggas he inspired to stand on the block, and I have yet to hear any rapper (other than real grown men) question how this country gets filled up with heroin and cocaine in the first place. In the meanwhile, the mainstream media continues it’s incestuous relationship with supremacy by acting like crime begins and ends in Hip-Hop culture. I myself want to leave rap alone sometimes and just fucks with Stevie Wonder shit or Funkadelic or ‘Trane, but then I realize that I can’t leave rap in the hands of the lazy 80’s babies. Shit will be dead in less than two years, and I’ll still be waiting for Saigon to drop his album.

I wasn’t fucking playing around when I told you that Hip-Hop was under siege. In a minute, niggas that never listened to a word of rap are about to decide what motherfuckers can say on an album. Just when someone was ready to put the truth of the game into people’s ears they are gonna lock down Hip-Hop so that you never get that realness. Fuck all this Holly’hood shit with guns popping for no rhyme or reason. Actually, they pop off for no reason, but only for rhymes. Ofrah’s pimp has told her to throw Hip-Hop under the bus and y’all niggas are walking it out over the cliff like a bunch of lemmings. There’s no way I can leave this Hip-Hop shit in the trust of you 80’s babies without guidance from some niggas from the 1970’s. Good thing for y’all Lil’ Wayne was born in 1979.

  • Pubic Domain

    I agree with half of what you’re sayin’, the other half I really can’t understand as usual….

  • Exclusive

    “walking it out ova the cliff like a bunch of lemmings”

    real fucking talk yo

  • FIRSTLOL

    FIRST YOU STUPIDS

    PS 420 AM

  • whitewolf

    first. good read i guess

  • http://www.hiphopsunderworld.blogspot.com RICK RUDE
  • che

    >Niggas don’t know the difference between sluts, ho’s and prostitutes.

    and obviously you’d know..

  • che

    in fact, since you’re so proud of it put it on your CV. see how far that gets you.

  • Maddi Is Gangs

    Fuck your a Stupid Fagget Sungay!!!

  • http://officialhiphop.blogspot.com JOE CASTRO

    Before this comment section turns into the daily beef/namecalling session as most comment sections usually do (let’s be honest, only real niggas are up at this hour anyway; the beef doesn’t start until the afternoon when children too young to be reading this site in the first place get home from school), ask yourself this; were there jewels being dropped? The answer is yes.

    It’s about time somebody took these 80′s babies to task. Lest we forget 80′s babies are responsible for the following: putting swagger before substance in hip hop; not being political but calling any and everything a movement; increasing corporate America’s involvement in the hip hop culture; stopped calling Puffy wack; downloading Fruity Loops and calling yourselves producers; not making fun of rappers who have dances associated with their songs; the overwhelming support/indifference towards ‘Chicken Noodle Soup’; watching BET faithfully.

    Too many people that don’t give a shit about hip hop, are now running/ruining hip hop. We’ve given people passes to be wack over beats simply because they’ve paid money to have their wack shit on the radio. Meanwhile, what are we doing? Arguing over if rappers like Ludacris and Ice Cube have legit beef with Oprah months ago, when as recently as this week Oprah prominently displayed her hate for rap in her ‘Townhall Meeting’. The worst part is, we made Oprah relevant simply because we let hip hop get to a point where anything goes.

    Hip hop aint dead, but neither is your uncle who smokes a pack a day; without intervention, he will die though.

    Good post Billy
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  • dfd

    this is the only columnist worth a dime on this site.lets petition to get rid of bol.

  • http://xxlmag.com Billy X. Sunday

    JOE CASTRO, I’ma personally tell the moderators to get your comment up.

    DFD, Watch your mouth yo, that nigga BOL is my nigga up on this ho bitch. Nullus, of course.

    CHE, … Go kill yourself.

  • FPL

    @ Billy the kid

    Ho= one who values/respects himself very little and whos actions reflects this…..Your piece of journalism shows that you care very little about US as a people…your actions show that you care more about getting a rise outta CHE, and Castro (no homo)……….
    You HO as nigga…write something to uplift a nigga…not something that will further divide us!

  • http://www.myspace.com/sinistahmoneybagz Sinistah aka Sin Piff

    well i guess i can be considered an 80′s baby, unfortunately i got a mentally that was far advanced from my peers (generation-wise). i can’t even go cop my plantlife witout being hounded by like 500 dudes all selling plants, and the fucked up part about it is like 495 of em selling the same kind of plant. i knew da hustlin shit was dead for the fact that it once went from being in competition wit other blocks, to being in competiton with ya own block. Once again i was blessed to see the economy of the 80′s first-hand and though young at the time, i understood the mechanics of the streets and political side of things thanks to me being a young pervert who was aware enough to understand that school bored the shit outta me but contained a few things both presented and hidden between the lines that i would need to this day.

    man if some of ya’ll would just stop by the myspace page and check out the song “Genocide” for a lil food 4 though, its kinda dated cause it was written amidst the whole Letoyia Figueroa incident and actually recorded while watching Katrina rip through N.O. on mute. But nonetheless still ome grub for a starving mental.

    enough of that, i don’t enter blogs as an auxiliary outlet for promo, lol! But i really do agree wit Billy’s point of outsiders dictating the future of the genre. If niggas was smart, “unity” would be more than a cliche` term for collabo and actually be used in regards of the literary meaning of it all.

    I can tell you Jersey has very little unity on a hip-hop side of things, which i can’t knock, we been strugglin to get out of the shadows for so long, most of our local forums for hip-hop (it aint many, especially here in Newark) have bowed-down to the mainstream world, and it’s more likely to find an artists mixtape from outside of the east than someone from Jersey’s actual album unless they wit a major label. It’s tons of talent here and Joe Budden can attest to that himself, and hopefully will address it in his blog wheneva he does decide to get dat popped-off.

    But before i go make these bank transactions and begin another donation towards keepin me and my dudes music endeavors in motion, I gotta say that we as a culture and genre of music must stand da fuck up for this shit, thru the good and bad of things. I can’t dismiss it, it’s been the soundtrack of many important memories i have in correlation to my own existence here. It’s my personal pain and glory, my shame and triumph. I just don’t want this shit stripped from us and then directed by some old melanin-deprived folk who can’t tell the Difference between MC Shoot-N-Stab and Chuck D.

    100!

  • http://jasonekirk.blogspot.com brick cheney

    “a slut does it for the love of the game.”

    so perfect.

  • NoMamesBuey

    Real Hip-Hop won’t die, but it is becoming like jazz. In jazz there are dope new artists but hardly anyone follows it, hardly no TV or radio.

    Corporate whores like XXL’s Elliott Wilson are part of the problem, not part of the solution. Wilson could choose to give some ink to new quality artists like Shinsight Trio, Little Brother, Wale Oyejide, Strange Fruit Project, Leroy Smokes, Akir, Termanology, Hell Razah, etc. He bitches about how rap sucks & then gives stories on medicore crap like Rich Boy.

    Read that Wilson blog, dude admits to being a corporate whore “concubine” to Iovine, word to Wayne/Baby & Jeff Gannon Guckert/Karl Rove.

    SMH on all these gay prostitutes.

  • MidEast

    Good column.The young ones just don’t know no any better.If they listened in math class they would understand the ratio of successful and unsuccessful drugdealers.Which leads to the rap game,why must you believe that they were moving bricks like scarface in the TRAP? The culture been dying,i just don’t understand why Nasir was criticized for his point. Unplug yourself people

  • NoMamesBuey

    Sunday, you shouldn’t write off all “80s babies”, that’s just a way to divide us like the East/West beef a decade ago.

    Yes there are many lame 80s heads that are ruining rap such as Little Wayne & his layme Wayne Staynes.

    But there are some real 80s heads like Termanology also. There are 80s dudes that comment here like IFux & Belize that are thorough rap heads.

    The “battle” should be “real rap” v “cRap”, not 70s v 80s

  • Moe Real

    You suck and you can’t get any comments.

  • http://officialhiphop.blogspot.com JOE CASTRO

    @ NoMamesBuey

    Not trying to come at you on a personal level, but it takes a lot of audacity to come on a forum provided by Elliot Wilson to diss Elliot Wilson.

    I too wish XXL gave more shine to the artists you mentioned; however, these same artists have trouble garnering support for themselves, let alone garnering support from a media company.

    The solution I think would be to join some of these artist’s street teams, or at least make people around you more aware of these artists. Help them to make the noise needed to earn the support/respect of these media outlets.

    I wouldn’t call Elliot Wilson a ‘whore’, but more of an astute businessman. Magazines live and die on advertising, so at the end of the day pages go to artists that have fans that will pay money to read about them, which in turn attracts more advertisers. As much as I would like to see corporate ease back off this hip hop thing we got going, some form of a business plan must remain in tact.

    Again, I don’t want/need no problems, just trying to keep a meaningful discussion going.
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  • Beeyo

    Aye Billy, I waited all day 4 yesterday your post so I could make fun of the Weezy fans. Fuck happened.
    1st of all homie, you can blame the 80s babies all you want. I tend to agree that we fucked up in da hood. But yall 70s babies was supposed to b tha ones to put us on to the game, and most of yall fucked up. I mean, yall was the ones that was sellin that shit to our parents (more fucked up 70s babies) when 86 hit. Don’t blame us cuz we had lack of guidance. Now, most of us is havin to learn firsthand the consequences, just like you did. This shit got less to do with hip hop, and more to do with the hood. 80s to the 90s was when shit was really goin down, and most of the people livin tha g lifestyle back then was 70s babies. As u said, we was babies. Fast forward to 2000s, most of us are findin our own way, and by doing that some of us are emulating that lifestyle yall 70s babies blueprinted for us without living it 4 real.
    So don’t throw all that on our shoulders homie. People like YOU should have stepped up and learned us to game CORRECTLY earlier. Other than that, do ya thing homie.
    Ps, I knew you was gon throw that 1979 baby in there somewhere!!!

  • Calibud

    Yeah 80′s Babies are fucked up in the head. Them 60′s Babies didnt wanna raise us (Out of hundreds of homies I maybe had 2 that had a relationship with his father growing up), and them 70′s Babies didnt learn any positive trades to teach us (All we learned from them was how to turn a 40 dollar package into 80). So you’re damn right about 80′s babies, we’re all fucked up in the head. Hip Hop is the bastard child of the civil rights movement. I dont think a man has any right to critisize a younger generation if you didnt help by setting a better for that younger generation. Going in and out of prison was far from a good example to be setting for youngsters, you have no one to critisize but yourself. Im not making excuse for “80′s Babies” we gotta learn from our own mistakes, but wont catch me shittin on some 13 year old kid because all he wants to do is look fly and chase girls (thats all me and my dudes ever did). Lets kill all this hate we have on niggas, and just come together (I dont use “no homo’s”, ooops).

  • brooks h

    weezy stays on your mind…gotdamn you’re obsessed

  • Beeyo

    “Hip Hop is the bastard child of the civil rights movement”
    My new slogan.

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    Pac would have had things in order…he represented the at risk but spoke on being one in the form of a nation…it aint about us 80s babies messin hip hop up…all the traping and drug rapping wouldn’t exist and last without a demand…a drud dealer is nothing with out his customers…so who is demanding it…people are…if that is where people are then examine why people are in this mindstate…if you gonna speak on something look at all the factors involved…

  • Ashim

    I’m a 80′s baby, 82 to be exact, and I absolutely agree. Real shit Billy, I’m glad somebody saying it.

  • Beeyo

    Truthfully, if Pac was here, half these mufuckas wouldn’t be rappin. He’d of stop Em, Jay, Nas, and countless others, so it would be a different world in rap. And if Pac was here, maybe BIG wouldn’t have gotten killed and hip hop would definitly be a different story. Maybe. But we have Pac and BIGs influence everyday and we still turned out fucked up. We shouldn’t use the legends as a scapegoat to our fucked up behavior, cuz we obviously don’t listen to the messages they gave us when they were alive, why should we theorize about what would be if they were still here?

  • http://www.myspace.com/sinistahmoneybagz Sinistah aka Sin Piff

    Yo Beeyo,

    nice slogan, i might have to adopt that shit.

    But right now the fate of this shit aint just in the artists hands to reconstruct, but as fans we need to be heard beyond the target of these wack ass marketing schemes, the only reason the bullshit material is forced upon us, is because we accept and support it as a whole. you think these labels and their staff don’t check online to see whats poppin in the world of “fast to get” music to base their next moves upon.

    and to whoeva said the 70′s babies is responsible for carrying the torch. all da niggaz i knew from the 60′s and 70′s sent my ass indoors and even babysat me when my moms was bussin her ass workin 2 jobs to support me and my 3 bros while my pops was locked up. thankfully i had the experience to come up in a time where the “community/hood” was secondary parents. the 70′s dudes probably did try to teach you, but you just didn’t listen or was able to fully comprehend. that type of understanding and insight has to be given to you at a young age, which was where you probably spent most of ya time on a video game or watching video’s instead of soaking wisdom or shunned it because it was comming from an “old head” and not your peer group.

  • deestarbuckz

    I blame Reagan… the triple six man himself. From the economics to the influx of illegal drugs… The 80′s babies, just don’t know any better. Hip-hop is substandard because “WE” have come to expect and accept alot less. I used to look forward to Tuesday’s to cop some new chyt… you know, back when you actually BOUGHT an album/tape/cd from a Sam Goody, Tower Records, or mom & pop store. Now everything is driven on singles and so called “bangers” that there is no need to make a complete album.

  • http://www.myspace.com/sinistahmoneybagz Sinistah aka Sin Piff

    DeeStar

    i agree wit ya post too, Regan fucked up alot of shit behind the scenes.

    and yeah the days of coppin CD’s are over, i download shit to for the preview but i actually still go cop what i feel is worth it, i just dont remove the plastic from them. i guess maybe them shits will be worth somethin one day (niggaz put ya e-bay bids in 20yrs ahead of time)

    but nowadays its only about that one “banger”, an ipod, and a ringtone purchase and an artist can brag like he’s the best thing to hip-hop since the turntables.

    sad thing is that one “banger” don’t hold me over or is even enough for me to say the general artist is “nice” at all. Right now i say its the era of the producer, cause these labels allow the bullshit lyrics to be released just because it has the A-list producers tag on it.

  • http://myspace.com/ninjagaiden78 ninjagaiden78

    Great Great post. Everybody should read this and hear the words comin’ out of this brothers mouth. Nearly everything was on point. As a late 70′s baby (that is such a dumb A_ _) term, I am appalled by how much hiphop has regressed. It had so much potential and is now being ruined by “trapper-rappers” and the “I’m not a rapper, I am a hustler” cliche.

    I also want to big up Billy for callin out Oprah on the hip-hop issue. Once again, we have been “Willie Lynched” ( and if you young cats don’t know who Willie Lynch is, please look it up) into thinking that it is all of hip-hop (ie black males)fault. When in actuality, Don Imus m slip (yes it was a slip) had zero to do with hip-hop. We as young black and latino males have got to wake up and keep our eyes open because the system is constantly trying to undermine and crush hip-hop and us. Now they got the Sisters doing. Wake up people!

  • http://bgdboom.blogspot.com Enigmatik
  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    ^ *dies*

  • DANJA29

    “Truthfully, if Pac was here, half these mufuckas wouldn’t be rappin. He’d of stop Em, Jay, Nas, and countless others, so it would be a different world in rap. And if Pac was here, maybe BIG wouldn’t have gotten killed and hip hop would definitly be a different story. Maybe. But we have Pac and BIGs influence everyday and we still turned out fucked up. We shouldn’t use the legends as a scapegoat to our fucked up behavior, cuz we obviously don’t listen to the messages they gave us when they were alive, why should we theorize about what would be if they were still here?”

    Niggas give Pac toooooo much credit. Whose career did he EVER stop or shut down? I know it’s idealistic to assume that Pac (or BIG) would still be runnin’ things and callin’ shots… but how realistic is that? Look at how all those other niggas from the ’90s are bein’ treated by the fans right now. Even the two niggas whose feud was the talk of hip-hop five years ago are now bein’ looked at as “old” and pushed off to the side.

    So I’m not fully confident in the belief that Pac & BIG (who would be near their late 30s by now) would still be relevant enough to make a difference. Since hip-hop “fans” and bloggers are so age-obesessed these days… who’s to say they wouldn’t be lumped in with the rest of the “old irrelevant niggas”? And knowing how unpredictable hip-hop careers are, who’s to say they woulda even made it out of the ’90s without putting out a bad record that turned everybody away from ‘em? It’s a lot more possible than most of us would like to believe.

  • Beeyo

    Ayo Sin,
    As far as tha slogan, ya boy Calibud birthed it it, I just adopted it.

    I didn’t have no one sendin my ass in da house and babysittin me. I had them encouragin me to do dumb shit cuz they was bored standin out on that corner.
    I’m not sayin 2 totally blame tha 70s babies, same as Sunday should not blame tha 80s babies. Its much bigger than rap, and we should all take responsibilities for how the youth is actin up, whether it be artists, fans, or regular people in tha hood livin day 2 day. I was born in 87 and even I see how clownish and fugazi my younger comrades is actin out here. But aside from rap, I know tha cats that aint got no hope. Tha cats with tha gun on em all day long ready to bust someone face open, not cuz of rap, cuz of tha total mindstate that the american ghetto is in. The cats in tha spot all day, not cuz of rap, cuz tha most motivational message we get nowadays is “Get Money”. I’m sayin if we don’t want tha 2000s babies to end up as fukked up as the 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s babies, we need to step up and take responsibility for our communities. That’s tha only way we can advence as a culture. Rap is one of tha most influencial things in our society 2day, but we can’t let it raise our children. if youse a REAL nigga like any of you claim 2 be, start livin in REAL life, and not some fuckin hip hop track.

    “Ketchup like Mi-yo-naze”
    ^
    Most retarded line EVAR.

  • DBizzle

    Man… what is y’all talkin’ bout? HipHop is dead, it’s dying, etc… It’s been violence and non-sense in hip hop since NWA came storming through… It’s nothing new… The bigger problem is that these cats who spit these rhymes have seen this stuff to even be able to talk about it… We need to focus on the bigger social issues of why we have reached a stalling point as a race – why we still have the crabs in a bucket mentality… it ain’t got nothing to do with an 80s baby… if cats was still rhyming about a hip a hop, to the one two and ya don’t stop you’d have a serious problem wit it… U don’t like it.. don’t buy it…don’ play it… artists are smart…they’ll change up… Now go volunteer your time at a Boys and Girls Club or tutor a child instead of worrying about the state of hip hop…! I assure you white folks aren’t worried about the state of rock and roll or country music…!

  • EReal

    He’d of stop Em, Jay, Nas, and countless others
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Jay and Nas were rappin when Pac was alive and I dont think Pac wouldve stopped Em at all because It was the whiteboys and suburban kids / trl peeps buyin his records.
    There wouldnt have been no Ja Rule, i’ll tell you that shit. After pac and big died rap went pussy, everyone was scared to be gangsta or the ‘BLACK CRUSADERS’ would get em. Eminem pushed the crazy shit and then 50 brought that hard shit back and now errybody a gangsta, everybody a trapper, and everyone hates 50. GTFOH. Its gonna happen again watch, Henchman and Lighty / 50 are at war now, some peeps will die and rap will go snap / pop / pussy for a few years and then when america has a higher terror alert or another anthrax scare, we’ll creep back to the forefront.

    Did anyone see that 30 Rock episode last night about the ‘ BLACK CRUSADERS ‘ ? Shit was fuckin CLASSIC. LOL.

    1 hunned.

  • EReal

    Man. WTF.

  • 80′s baby

    so true

  • EReal

    Man, I really hope that long ass initial comment I wrote to BXS dosent get censored.. lame… lame lameeeeeeeee..

  • http://www.alwaysonpoint.blogspot.com W7′s Finest

    Damn!!!

  • deestarbuckz

    I am not blaming any certain generation… I just know that it’s (hip hop/rap) is going to chyt. A ringtone decides what the “hottest single” out now is? What kind of rapper makes songs for a thirty second clip to be played on a RAZR? Who hears a beat and says, “YO! That shit bangs outta my Sidekick!” Maybe I am outta touch… but I used to run home from school to check for YO! MTV Raps to see what was new. I used to wait for “The Mayor” to do his dance before introducing the new De La joint.
    There is not much for substance left anymore. You don’t hear a single and circle a date on a calendar for that album to drop. Now-a-days you have a decent hook or a catch phrase and it’s considered “hot!” “I can make a mil saying nothing on a track.”
    Can you imagine some chyt like Lip Gloss actually getting some decent run in ’92? Say “uuhhnnn” on a track and that chyt is hot? Now it’s cool to be a hustler who can make a few words rhyme because “the street” can relate to it. That’s just giving bullchyt a pass. I used to sit in front of the box with my frinds like, “oh chyt, did you hear that?” and mashing rewind like 10 times. I guess I am being nostalgic and just miss the good ole days… Or maybe I am outta touch… I have “So Whatchu Sayin’” pumping out of the IPOD, but I didn’t get that chyt off Limewire… I BOUGHT the phuckin’ cd…

  • Fernando

    How drugs get in here????

    It doesnt need to be questioned. We have the answers. Asian, Russian, South American, and Middle East Mobs link up with some crackaz and fly that sh*t in all the time, or have boats ship it in. Then they are rationed out to all the lower level people & things spread from there. Out here on the west, people grow their own green, cook their own meth, and coke is easier to find than a woman that cooks & cleans. Its gone past government conspiracies. Its all out there in the open. Its just there is nothing that can be done about it.

  • Incilin

    This is a great post, and I don’t trust the 80s babies either (I’m from 86, lol)

  • beeyo

    I’m not even a Pac fan like that. But seeing as how big his fanbase is right now, and seeing how big tha rappers who copy him’s fanbase is, some whiteboy ridin with Dre was not gonna slide. Em is amazing as a lyricist (or was), and he might even have grabbed that TRL fanbase, but with Pac ridin against him the black community would not have cared how sick he was. Plus Em is like Pacs biggest fan, and I doubt he would have been strong enough to go against his idol.
    Everyone, hurry and give intelligent opinions b4 tha kids get outta skool.
    Maybe we can teach em a thing or 2.

  • TheJuiceManne

    look someone elses email. maybe thats why my comments dont get posted. Yall gonna take out AHH and SOHH huh?
    Yeah-the-Fuck RIGHT!

  • EReal

    @Beeyo

    I see where you’re comin from, but IMO Pac would have respected Em after the Marshall Mathers LP. Real recognizes Real man. Pac wasnt about smashin on people, he was about selling records. He may have started controversey or something, but how can you tell?? Shit, if he was still alive, he may have been on Aftermath. He may have seen Suge for what was really real and bounced. After Dre left, there was no production for Pac, just the masters that were left. He wouldnt have been the same droppin an album without Dre, IMO. They just used his masters and unreleased tracks to make the albums following his death, because they made Dre leave them with Suge when he left tha row. You know how hypotheticals and Pothumous questions go, anything could have happened.

    1 hunned.

  • http://xxlmag.com Billy X. Sunday

    NoMamesBuey, good point that it shouldn’t have anything to do with 70′s or 80′s or 90′s or 1960′s (holler Jigga). I’m railing against the artists that have rap’s spotlight right now and truth be told many of them are born in the 1970′s.

    The progressive age bracket that is going to move Hip-Hop forward is from 18-28. These are the cats that are the age to get drafted into the army, or graduate from college with a degree and enter the labor force, or they could be doing shit. These cats in the next two years will determine the future of Hip-Hop. My discussion is for them essentially and all of us in general.

  • Dizzle

    You old cats make me laugh with your short memories and inflated sense of self improtance. Rappers been complaining about content since the West took over. Back then it was y’all elders who werw shitting on y’all. This story has played out countless times throughout the years. Y’all the same type of old cats that complained about Jazz being “jungle music” get a wif and a life and shut the fuck up

  • FuckUPayme618

    testin testin

  • these posts are racist

    this is the most ignorant degrading thing I have read in a long time.

    Oprah is worth a billion dollars. She uses cats like you to wipe her….with.

  • deestarbuckz

    I am not a Pac fan or hater. I think that duke capitalized off of his image. People saw how Pac “was” and wanted to be in the same vein. “It worked for him, why can’t it work for me?” (Ja Rule). He developed more of a cult following. He shot at cops, got shot and rolled out of the hospital and got locked up and made it out of the system. He became the face of a region during a well publicized and media fed beef. Then became some sort of martyr for the life that he “lived” during his Death Row days. The first three Pac albums are the ones carrying the most substance, with Me Against The World being his best work.. IMO of course. Would Pac buy off on the b.s. that is made today? Who the phuck cares… A (hypothetical) validation from Pac does not equate to decent hip hop. It’s still the same recycled chyt either way.

    70′s baby, raised in the 80′s… and the chyt that gets a pass now days amazes me…

  • beeyo

    I don’t think Em and Pac would have gotten along. I mean, look at how Pac got at Big, just for thinking Big had him set up, no evidence except his gut feelings and maybe a lttle Suge in his ear. Pac and Big were good friends b4 Pac got popped. Just off tha fact that Em is white would have been bad enough. Maybe if they would have chilled 2gether they could have found common ground in both of them being crazy sunzabitches, but I doubt that would have happened because of the Dre situation. Maybe Pac and Dre would have reconciled after Pac left tha Row, which is why he recorded 394,928,286,393 songs in such a small amount of time, but like you siad homie, posthumous questions and shit like that.

  • beeyo

    I don’t think Em and Pac would have gotten along. I mean, look at how Pac got at Big, just for thinking Big had him set up, no evidence except his gut feelings and maybe a lttle Suge in his ear. Pac and Big were good friends b4 Pac got popped. Just off tha fact that Em is white would have been bad enough. Maybe if they would have chilled 2gether they could have found common ground in both of them being crazy sunzabitches, but I doubt that would have happened because of the Dre situation. Maybe Pac and Dre would have reconciled after Pac left tha Row, which is why he recorded 394,928,286,393 songs in such a small amount of time, but like you said homie, posthumous questions and shit like that.

  • HIJOKKA

    I’m white and you can call me anything you want cause I am a 70′s baby and it ain’t nothing that hasn’t been said to me before. But on the real , your post is ten times better than the rest of these cats (BOL included). I’ve loved this shit since 1982. From an east coast city bgut lived in L.A. for 8 yrs. I can’t remember a time anymore than right now that I’ve been bored with shit. Every point you made is more than valid and thanks for writing something to help me not give up on HIP-HOP. I know shorties gonna say I’m old, don’t understand shit now cause that’s what I used to say. But there is one good thing about this culture and that’s even oldheads like me still know what’s really really good and what is some pure top 40 bullshit. Put the streets (the voice that is) back into street music and stop all marketing $$$-making shit- PLAYA …

  • Quan

    seriously i don’t feel as though hip hop is dying i just feel that he has takin on a differnt sort of genre. Everybody is so use to that up north, poetic, mental philosophy, shit which is good back then and still is but at certain times. Sometimes you havin a bumb ass day, and you tryin to get hype. Some of that shit is a little to deep 4 me when im tryin to get hype. Hip Hop is a life style, an important part of african american history. The only sense that hip hop is dying is lyrically wise but the music is still good. Yall talkin bout stupid songz but when they come on you jammin. MUsic is a way to entertain, and if stupid music gets the listener’s spirit up then that is good music.People just don’t like the change of the way the genrre of Hip hop is changed. We as a black race have been brain washed to think like the other color. They didn’t want us in their schools because they thought it would kill their society, just like yall say rappers are killin hip hop. I live in Richmond, Va, which is a military and mad traditional town. So I know how people don’t like change. My final words is Hip Hop ain’t dead just evolving.

  • http://www.msn.com west philly’s finest

    You can’t blame us 80s baby’s for the direction the music is taking. Just cause you were born in the 80s doesn’t mean that you have a bad taste in Hip Hop. Its not that Hip hop is dying it’s just not how you remember it. The whole way of listening to new music is just different. Its not like you gotta listen to the radio all day so you can tape that one song that you want anymore. But its always gonna complaning though. Back in the early 90′s Common was talking bout How I Used to Love Her(i.e Hip HOP) and everybody was dropping classics then.

  • Rap thang

    Ha Ha wayne bitch ass is only 5’6″? He sure talk alot of shit for a little guy. Little man syndrome maybe? Could be a reason he went after jay-z. If he gets any play its not because he’s handsome (no homo), or tall. Somebody needs to end his career already. I’m tired of his underdevelop voice, and the foggaty kiss your pimp on the lips shit. Mafia thang? year right weezy! They don’t kiss each other on the lips.

  • 1SHOT DEAL

    WHAT THE HELL IS NULLUS??????

  • DAAAAYYYUUUUM!!!!

    BILLY -

    I couldn’t agree with you more this younger generation droped the torch…You 80′s babies have yet to contribute ANYTHING to the game and because of your lazieness hiphop is dying. All yall want to do is immulate 50cent.

    KEEP SHCOOLING THESE YOUNG PUUNKS!
    I’M LATE 70′S BABY AND I CAN WHIP ANY OF THESE YOUNG PUNKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    DALLAS MAVERICKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  • http://www.myspace.com/sinistahmoneybagz Sinistah aka Sin Piff

    wow@Dizzle

    last i checked all my “elders” were into hip-hop, my moms still bumps Nas, Jay, and suprisingly even M.O.P. because she liked “Ante Up” of all the songs in their catologue, and has a College Degree, dedicates her time to counseling young women in the “Halfway House” and she’s pushin 60. My pops been fuckin wit hip-hop since i was young and he’s 60 now and still does.

    stop thinkin them cats you saw on TV spoke for the general consensus of “elders” back in those days, you either speaking of your own household or str8 foolish.

    i got a right to call this new era for the most part str8 trash with the exception of a few, truth is most artists under 25 ain’t got shit relevant to talk about and it shows in the music. And the sad thing is people actually follow after this senseless shit like it matters. If u need a rapper to tell you to “Get Money” you either slow or have a poor work ethic. i can do witout hearin that type of statement being made as simplistic as 2day’s music portrays.

    and i was born in 79. When them dudes from Jersey was doing “rappers delight” i was listenin from my literal crib growing up thru all the Era’s of this shit and witnessed first-hand how hip-hop with meaning used to make these same dudes who takin it over cringe, and now they dictatin who, how, and what makes $$$$ off this shit.

    Sad enough the whole purpose of “reality-rap” is dilluted to having a few bars about shootin, selling drugs, and jail make you “Hardcore”. Now club bangers is condensed to a jingle with an accompanying dance for it.

    You can’t be serious, and as i stated it’s the fans first, we dictate whats hot and how all these labels market the product…And 2day’s mainstream is the current result.

    Hip-Hop aint dead, its tons of great music out there, but the thing is determining if you gettin an artist concerned about makin a hot song, or is he dedicated to makin a hot album. Alot of shit out now, just truthfully doesnt compare to the shit of the late 80′s to mid 90′s impact-wise and i know first-hand cause i was already into it and respective of the Culture and it’s elements.

    Rap City was birthed from Video Music Box wit my nigga Ralph McDaniels and then Crazy Sam. BET took it and ran wit it, even Fox 5 tried to air “Pump It Up” til Dr. Dre fucked dat up, lol. i mean shit The Jukebox Network helped me fully understand West Coast culture as thorough as possible witout being from there thru the music alone.

    man i’m done wit this shit, i just found that post funny and felt the need to explain myself and kinda help guide you onto the path of enlightment this blog was intended for.

    as far as me, no wife and living one hell of a life.

  • Jeff

    rappers should stop talking about coke, but i guess hip hop bloggers bragging about drug sales is ok though. oh and we should stop stereotyping blacks as drug dealers, yet you claim whites know nothing about the trade. makes sense if your retarded.

  • http://xxlmag.com Billy X. Sunday

    Sin,
    What you know about Uncle Ralph and Video Music Box? You mentioned Crazy Sam without bigging up Lionel ‘Vid Kid’ Martin. The Vid Kid directed like every early Hip-Hop video.

  • Mslayde Misha

    >Niggas don’t know the difference between sluts, ho’s and prostitutes

    As a grown as woman, (and i’ll probably take a lot of heat for saying this)I have been extoling the virtues of Prostitutes for evar!
    At least they get decent pay, have some sort of job security and a great benifits package: Food, clothing, a place to stay, All the arcrylic nails and weaves they want, and all the orgasms they can get in a day! Yeah the risks for them are shitty too, but if I had to choose (which because of my lightskinned status an my CUNY Education I don’t) I’d rather be a good prostitute, stay loyal to my daddy and not get beat, than be a dumb slut or a stupid Ho, just giving that good stuff away

  • Combat Jack

    Just had lunch with some old and very powerful TI’s from the music industry. They were telling me that as far as Black music goes (as a business that is) it’s OVER!!! The industry is about to import mad music from overseas, the UK being the primary source. Yo, for real,TI’s are on some world domination shit.

  • king blair

    i was born in 81 an i no for fact that crack been dead since 93 u have a few stragglers who aint died yet but for the most part niggas on that boy an i live in d.c. these kids need role modles an guidance if u sale crack cuz of a rapper i hope u die or getted knocked cuz your dumb ass aint no use to society anyways trap music is the southern reasonable doubt but there aint no more northern southern or western rayful edmonds popping up maybe if common got that 20 mil jay-z push we could move away from pure ignorance. hov tried to learn yall jigs better on 30 something…kids HOV TOLD YOU TO SALE DRUGS NO HOV SOLD CRACK SO HOPEFULLY YOU WOULDN’T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT.

  • king blair

    CAMRON 60MINUTES SUNDAY YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    WATCH THE BAR FOR IGNORANCE REACH TO NEW HEIGHTS.
    Though I find it hard to believe Killa Cam was the only rapper they could find to speak on the no snitching subject

  • Calibud

    ““Hip Hop is the bastard child of the civil rights movement”
    My new slogan.
    Ayo Sin,
    As far as tha slogan, ya boy Calibud birthed it it, I just adopted it.”

    Nah I cant take credit for that either. I got it from this documentary called “Bastards of the Party” about the evolution of gang culture and basically the director was saying that Bloods and Crips are the bastard children of the Black Panther Party. Believe it or not, Crips originated as a positive organization for the hood, but without the proper guidance from older heads who had been jailed during the cointelpro era the shit took a turn for the worst.

    In some ways you can say the same for Hip Hop and the Civil Rights Movement.

  • Calibud

    For any generations from the 50′s and beyond to critisize any younger generation for not being better they were is straight BLASHPEMY.

  • http://www.myspace.com/Westcoast_vato A-men

    Uhhhh, why can’t we all just get along, and get back to the basics in Hip/hop. Kanye West isn’t frontin when he be rappin wit the ol sckool peoples. ight lata

  • BIGNAT

    “walking it out ova the cliff like a bunch of lemmings”

    i feel you on that billy the level of crap mixed in with the good stuff is growing. now it seems the good stuff is coming less and less and the crap is running rampant. for example what rap album is dropping next week? i don’t know and i don’t care because most likely it’s shitty.

  • http://www.myspace.com/sinistahmoneybagz Sinistah aka Sin Piff

    Billy u right, damn!!! slipped my mind completely.

    and Calibud i knew that shit sounded familiar, and i seen that shit at least 6 times on demand easily.

  • king blair

    my new slogan- if that nappy headed hoe aint sucking her feets be walking

  • Hip Hop since 79′

    if Stetsasonic and the Roots do a double LP and a world tour Hip Hop will survive.

    Combat Jack – Those TI’s have been spewing that shit since the Beatles and Ravi Shankar. And then came Disco and Cat Stevens excepted Islam.

    The creative black mind will always prevail.

    peace.

  • Hip Hop since 79′

    if Stetsasonic and the Roots do a double LP and a world tour Hip Hop will survive.

    Combat Jack – Those TI’s have been spewing that shit since the Beatles and Ravi Shankar. And then came Disco and Cat Stevens excepted Islam.

    The creative black mind will always prevail.

    peace.

  • Pancho

    Billy X. Sunday Says:

    April 20th, 2007 at 12:41 pm

    NoMamesBuey, good point that it shouldn’t have anything to do with 70’s or 80’s or 90’s or 1960’s (holler Jigga). I’m railing against the artists that have rap’s spotlight right now and truth be told many of them are born in the 1970’s.

    The progressive age bracket that is going to move Hip-Hop forward is from 18-28. These are the cats that are the age to get drafted into the army, or graduate from college with a degree and enter the labor force, or they could be doing shit. These cats in the next two years will determine the future of Hip-Hop. My discussion is for them essentially and all of us in general.

    ^^^ I as born in 1988…80′s baby here.

    I just have a question (anybody can answer)….

    Am I contributing to hip-hop if I repeatedly blast Little Brother, Immortal Technique, Talib Kweli, Joel Ortiz, Termanology, Atmosphere, and many others of their ilk all around my neighborhood…EVEN if I get ridiculed for it?

  • NoMamesBuey

    ^props to you Pancho.

    On the free community site rateyourmusic.com, there are some rap heads as young as 16 & an old as 42. What do these folks have in common? Their good taste that Tribe’s Midnight Maurauders is one of the GOAT albums, for example

    Don’t buy in to liking music based on your age/race/other demographic factor.

    Instead like it if when your played your head nods involuntarily as if you had muscular dystrophy!

    Dope beats + dope rhymes = good rap music

  • http://www.akirathedon.com AK DONOVAN

    70% church.

    Thassit though. What the fuck is, say, Jay-Z doing to help? Dude claims to have power. Dude aint doing shit.

    Daed Prez kinda said most of what needed saying in one two albums.

    “We son’t own no boats/ we don’t own no planes”

    Really though, fuck radio. Radio’s been the enemy of real talk for a long time.

    Yes props to Pancho! But props to anyone that bumps what THEY like. Whatever that is.

    Again, turn off the radio. Throw your own party.

    @!

  • FuckUPayMe618

    I agree wit ya dawg. I’m on only 21 My older bros put me on to rap back in the early 90′s. I know about the history. I think about leaving Hip-Hop all the time. The reason is because the music is so dumb nowadays. I hate seeing my people buy that bullshit. There is no balance no more. Everything is the same. I find my self listening to legends in the with the exception of Lupe and saigon both whom I hope have good careers.

  • Cuban Link

    co fucking sign, the media is trying to make all hip hop either sound like Unk or Kanye West.Dacing and backpacking is the only ‘safe’ thing for the youth.I mean look at it, a genre that was once pumping fists and screaming ‘Fight the Power’ now has hits about Lip Gloss.

    ’07 SAVE HIP HOP

  • Pancho

    #
    NoMamesBuey Says:

    April 21st, 2007 at 12:48 pm

    ^props to you Pancho.

    On the free community site rateyourmusic.com, there are some rap heads as young as 16 & an old as 42. What do these folks have in common? Their good taste that Tribe’s Midnight Maurauders is one of the GOAT albums, for example

    Don’t buy in to liking music based on your age/race/other demographic factor.

    Instead like it if when your played your head nods involuntarily as if you had muscular dystrophy!

    Dope beats + dope rhymes = good rap music

    ^^^thanx…it’s just that…I enjoy listening to these cats a LOT…but when I start blasting their music outside, or if I bring them up in conversations, I just get weird looks or even get criticized for not wanting to “Pop, Lock and Drop It” like everyone else does.

    Saigon and Lupe Fiasco > Everything on the radio

    sh*t…Underground > radio everyday.

  • BIGNAT

    shit i have not been a regular radio listener since like 99. only if it’s super late night when they play the really good shit because they can get away with curses. also on big’s deathday because it’s just filled with his music. i notice on the east coast we don’t do that for tupac maybe a couple hours but big gets a whole day. also some stations got techno and house slots late at night and it’s all good.

    to pancho if people hate on you when you blast your music go tells those guys pull there thongs up and go pop lock and drop it hahahahahah. i have seen the first hand of low grade rap music affecting my own family i was born in 82 and my older bro put me on to rap. now though all the good music he put me on 2 he doesn’t even listen to no more. he don’t like common no more or talib or mos def. i tried to get him to listen to little brother he laughed at me and he said fuck that i am bumping ghetto d. the only non mainstream artist he really still fucks with is mf doom.

  • http://XXL DANGEROUSTACTICS206

    THX BRO,I LOVE U MAN(SNIFFEL)THAT WAS THA REALEST
    SHIT I READ ALL WEEK.AW MAN U TOLD THA TRUTH!!!
    SEE,I GOT ROBBED THIS WEEK,AND GOT INTO A HIGHSPEED CHASE,TRYIN TO CATCH THE NIGGAS THAT GOT ME,I LOOK DOWN,CRUMBS ALL IN MY LAP,ALL ON THE SEAT,SACK IN MY HAND. AND 4 WHUT MAN I JUST WANNA FEED MY FAMILY.I STOPPED,THANKED JESUS 4 MY LIFE AND WENT HOME AND HELD MY 2 DOUGHTERS……)

  • Belize

    Fuck dat. 80′s baby fo life.
    Iceberg slim and donald goines (no rapper) > Learning from Lil Weazy F his daddy

  • ROC

    BILLY your completley right once again….and JOE CASTRO, you have some strong points 2…..keep the fight alive.

  • thecollinb

    did anyone read what Combat Jack wrote?…..if they keep bringing more artist of Winehouse caliber you’ll catch me faking the funk with a Cockney *pause* accent in no time.
    Sunday you’re starting to be all talk no action, kinda like Ole Boy Stephen on the Real World.

  • nation

    >> I wasn’t fucking playing around when I told you that Hip-Hop was under siege. In a minute, niggas that never listened to a word of rap are about to decide what motherfuckers can say on an album.

    truth

  • Fire this fool

    Who cares this game is already 100 percent fake. I love seeing these artist get raped by the industry. Oprah is a hustler you can’t get mad at that cause she understands where those checks are comin from. She gettin that real paper not that shit rappers be braggin about.

  • mike

    well this says he was born in 1982

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lil_Wayne

  • http://www.myspace.com/theinfamousmighty mighty infamous

    I SAW WE BLAME THE LIKES OF STUPIDMORE SICKAMORE…WHO THINKS DJ KAHLED,FAT JOE,BABY, ARE THE BETTER THAN NY RAPPERS. THE WHOLE GAME IS FUCKED BY OVER=HYPED EXECS WHO SIGN ARTISTS THAT DONT DROP RECORDS..BUT CLAIM THEY KNOW WHAT THEY DOING! GREAT POST BILLY!

  • http://none Pam Richardson

    Women are human beings if anyone did to men what is being done to women it would be a new congress. Laws would be created to stop cruelity. When it all comes down to manners. If parents would teach their childern how to treat each other as they would like to be treated. How being treated with respect and diginity; how to have loyality along with pride to beome a person of worth in the heart to have a good strong soul. This is how we should grow in life.

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