Age Ain’t Nothin’ But A Number…

What is this predisposition with age that everyone has with Hip-Hop music? It’s as if you have to stop listening to Hip-Hop once you turn thirty years old even though the majority of the music is produced and administered by people way older than thirty years of age. Doctor Dre is arguably the greatest producer that rap has ever known and he is damn near fifty years old.

It doesn’t seem natural to me that music or any art should be created for only a specific age demographic unless we are talking about nursery rhymes. Music and art that celebrates teenage angst and indecision has always been the foundation for popular music, but even then you would find adult parties in the 1950’s getting down to songs like ‘The Twist’. If I was at an adult party now and people were getting down to the ‘Chicken Noodle Soup’ I would have to say that the people there were retards. Although I don’t think there is an adult party that you can go to where the ‘Cha Cha Slide’ isn’t part of the festivities at some point in the evening.

Does popular music and art make us dumber? I would argue that it does. Why is Sanjaya Malakar currently the most important American in the news in front of Dick Cheney, Don Imus and Jackie Robinson? Not that any of you folks even fucks with that dude, but I bet you all know who he is. For the same reasons I worry that rap music is being pushed into the same irrelevancy as American Idol. How can someone with no talent rise to the top of rap music’s pantheon? I suppose that American Idol is the new bellwether for figuring out where our tastes and mindset reside.

So if Sanjaya wins this contest then I predict Hip-Hop will be killed before the year is over. There’s no way rap can survive with Sanjaya at the top of the game.

  • thoreauly77

    “It doesn’t seem natural to me that music or any art should be created for only a specific age demographic unless we are talking about nursery rhymes.”

    - amen sunday. perhaps everything is so fucked up all around us and all over the world and we are constantly barraged with the negative all the time is the reason no one wants to think about anything? popular music lacks lyricists; popular television completely lacks substance (“substance” tv is found in the form of changing ugly women into beautiful ones with plastic surgery? talk about decadence!). i would however have to say that the art world is still breathing with guys like banksy who actually get coverage in mainstream media outlets, and the indie rock scene is still bubbling and doing its meek white version of kicking and screaming.

    = my two.

  • http://www.myspace.com/sinistahmoneybagz Sinistah aka Sin Piff

    lmaooo@Sanjaya being a household name but with the talent of a wet napkin and looks of a dude used to use tampons not even longer than 2yrs ago. (yeah i still think he’s an incomplete transexual)

    Rap music since the 90′s and i will continue to point out the 90′s for it being the double-edged sword it was to hip-hop. We saw our fav artists finally getting sales that equated their rock and roll counterparts, but at the same time, along with the notoriety came the urge to contain what they wanted to be viewed and even heard by the masses in regards to hip-hop’s musical output. We had every muthafuckin fast-food entity trying to do their best rendition of a “slang editorial” (Thanks Cappa) for their wack ass radio commercials. We now have gotten to the point we get picked to rhyme about shit we don’t even like personally but do it just for a check.

    I know you dumb fucks don’t really think Jay drinks Budweiser b4 and after twistin Beyonce’s back out.

    me personally, 30 is a couple blocks away from me, and i don’t see my love for hip-hop declining one-bit. I was virtually birthed into this shit. My damn stork probably dropped me from the sky humming “Rappers Delight”, but i think its evident the lack of historical knowledge of the culture as a whole is more of a contributing factor to the lack of power and why we don’t have any power beyond a walking billboard for some mothership entity even if your favorite rap idols did sell platinum or even diamond status. U think Budweiser don’t shit out Def Jams fiscal profits at random????

    well fuck it, i just wish as we all age, we’d acquire and utilize some of the knowledge that comes along with it and stop using age as just a personal placeholder in life til we die.

  • BIGNAT

    Sanjaya the ony reason i know about him is because the fucking news talk about him. the reason his is so important is because women like him. we all know girls mostly buy all the cd’s thats why most rap cd’s have that. i am going take you all around the world and treat u to all this crap type song. rappers know and the record company knows if the girls love you that most likely you will sell.

  • Gate13

    “How can someone with no talent rise to the top of rap music’s pantheon? ”

    One word.

    MARKETING

    Marketing to individuals with no personality and no character that will do whatever is the most popular and regarded as cool. This includes music and what all of the braindead clones i am mentioning currently think is cool is RAP.

  • its 2 ez

    lil wayne my nigga so i usually dont fuck wit u but i agree one hunned bout if sanjaya wins, the music industry ina hole is goin down hill quickly

  • J.R.O.

    Real Talk.

    I thought Hip Hop died in ’99 though?

  • C. Rob

    you can argue that wayne is not the best rapper alive, but you cant possibly say he has no talent whatsoever, thats just plain dumb!

  • TheJuiceManne

    another shot at wayne, what is with your vendetta against him? Let it go.. you don’t like it, don’t listen to it.

  • htown

    i aint gon lie,Wayne got skills on tha mic but i can’t stand the way that nigga raps, that nigga voice is anoying as fuck thats why i dont fuck wit wayne

  • $$Eazy_Money$$

    33yo and prefer bdp, nice and smooth, audio two, cmw, second II none. really anything from 85-91 over anyting I hear today.

  • Malcolm X

    Nice post. I’m 21 I have been listening to rap since forever. I don’t understand how people don’t think hip hop is dead. Record labels don’t give a fuck about the art form. They put out shit that they think is going to sell. There is no balance anymore. Its sad that the black comuntity won’t accept a nas album but would buy jeezy. The TI’s love it when black people accept shit that’s going to keep us from going against the system. That’s why they promote bullshit more than creativity ie lupe nas dead prez etc. Its only gonna get worse. I’m not hating on jeezy or any other rapper that I don’t think has talent. if I don’t like it I don’t listen. Its hard trying to justify to the younger generation why Nas is better than young buck etc. I’m scared of the future.

  • ill will

    Sanjaya Malakar= 50/cent / Camron

  • Jeff

    what was the point of this post . . . to tell us that sanjaya is at rap music’s pantheon? what the fuck are you talking about?

  • J Smitty

    Billy ur jus makin people not fuk wit u more and more.

  • J Smitty

    Billy ur jus makin people not fuk wit u more and more.

  • John Cochran

    I think mainstream hip hop is for kids. But, as you get older and older you have to search harder for music that fits you. The 106 crowd isnt catering to middle aged folks. Not only that, but the root of the problem is that us as black people, especially men, never really want to grow up. We fear getting older. Thats why you got Kells ol as still makin’ songs for 14 year olds. Hip hop is our fountain of youth.

  • Malcolm X

    Nice post. I’m 21 I have been listening to rap since forever. I don’t understand how people don’t think hip hop is dead. Record labels don’t give a fuck about the art form. They put out shit that they think is going to sell. There is no balance anymore. Its sad that the black comuntity won’t accept a nas album but would buy jeezy. The TI’s love it when black people accept shit that’s going to keep us from going against the system. That’s why they promote bullshit more than creativity ie lupe nas dead prez etc. Its only gonna get worse. I’m not hating on jeezy or any other rapper that I don’t think has talent. if I don’t like it I don’t listen. Its hard trying to justify to the younger generation why Nas is better than young buck etc. I’m scared of the future.

  • DANJA29

    if that nigga Sanjaya wins, that will be the official jump the shark moment for American Idol. He will be to that show what 50 Cent is to rap and what John Cena is to wrestling… half the people can’t stand ‘em, and the other half are the ones makin’ him popular anyway.

    I ain’t an avid ‘Idol’ follower, but that muhfukka sucks. Him winnin’ that shit is gonna be proof positive that blatant mediocrity takes you a looong way in pop culture today.

  • http://poisonousparagraphs.blogspot.com/ Dart_Adams

    Sanjaya winning will be the Anti God that ultimately destroys American Idol…unfortunately that will never happen as the Idol hack will come to an end soon as Sanjaya apparoaches the final group. Not that I even give a damn.

    Music is marketed and sold to children and people with disposable income. I got bills to pay so a phone bill and a Comcast digital cable bill will ALWAYS win over a Rich Boy CD…especially when I know 30 places I can get it for FREE instead. One.

  • Omar

    American Idol won’t let Sanjaya win, that would destroy their little bit of credibility. I’m a couple of ticks from 30 myself, and I love hip-hop and will always fuck with it on some level but I can see me distancing myself from it due to a lack of lyricism

  • boxxx

    dr dre is 42 fool

  • boxxx

    i agrree with u(and dr dre is still 42)look out for detox bitches

  • ONE50

    Billy X I fux wit chu man. You got the best thing going on the net right now.

    Yeah it seem like a major requirement to make it as a rapper is to be young, or pretend to be young. All these rappers are clean shaven to hide that gray hair and receding hairlines. LOL

    I know I aint the smartest cat in hiphop, but how come I never hear anybody discuss the idea of inlisting more requirements to be a rapper?

    Artist should have to study the genre for four years before they cut their first single. They should have to learn this like:

    Hip Hop history

    Different styles

    Diversifying your subjest matter

    How to write an actual song

    I don’t care where a rapper comes from. It just seems like the rappers that know the history of hiphop are the better rappers. Who better to teach the nex generation of rappers than the old school pioneers. This will keep them in the game and keep them relavent. Rather than having them competing against these teeny hoppers out there rapping with no direction, the 30+ MCs will be able to help out.

  • NoMamesBuey

    take some of the time bitching about how rap sucks, and with that time join rateyourmusic.com (RYM), which is a free community site.

    On RYM, you can get put on to quality rap that doesn’t get the mainstream love, such as ShinSight Trio, Pigeon John, Panacea, & Hell Razah.

    I’m not saying shun mainstream. But if you’re not getting enough good new rap via the few quality mainstream artists like Kanye West & The Game, then use RYM to discover quality underground artists.

    Or if you don’t like the underground, use RYM to get up on the classics you never checked for originally from the early 90s.

  • IDOITS

    why the fuck are we disscussing American Idol?!?!

  • Calibud

    “Does popular music and art make us dumber?”
    Maybe, bu Weezy doesn’t qualify for that category, because success has come from mostly underground shit.

    Check it out, this post holds no weight, you can’t say because Sanjaya sucks ass and will win AI, so that means that the “best rapper alive” must be ass too. Sanjaya will win AI because Howard Stern started Votefortheworst.com. Nobody actually likes this guy, its a big prank. You just cant compare the two genres, nice try though.

    “How can someone with no talent rise to the top of rap music’s pantheon?” Maybe because (regardless of what he raps about) he actually does have the talent it takes to be the best.

    I feel where this guys commin’ from though, sometimes you can be on the wrong side of greatness and it can make you bitter. I mean I hated Jordan my whole life growing up, so I know what that feels like to see someones greatness as a bad thing and you find ways to hate on it.

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    Weezy’s verse on we taking over is bannanas

  • John Brown

    Hip-Hop will be killed before the year is over
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    When are people going to realize that Hip-Hop can’t die and it will never die. Hip-hop will always live as long as we buy the C.D., but bootlegs, download it or burn it from a friend. Just because soundscan #’s are down for hip-hop/rap doesnt mean is dying. Last I recall Illmatic (probably the most significant hip-hop c.d. of all time) didnt even go gold during its first week out. But its still considered a classic. The only people that are saying hip-hop is dead are the same ones who are killing it, which they wont. Hip-hop wont die Because there
    is always someone from every place in the world jamming to their fav. rapper.

  • My Effin’ Opinion

    Thanx for the post BS …

    I get sick and tired of people saying “Jay-Z’s old ass needs to stop rappin’” or “why is KRS ONE’s old ass still tryna rap”.

    It’s like there a fuckin’ cut-off date as to when you can still make rap records that has nothing to do with whether or not you have skillz. These muthafuckin’ youngsta’s who don’t even BUY the LP’s from the store should not be runnin’ Hip Hop. If we want the music to grow we need to stop allowing 14yr olds to dictate “what’s cool” and “who’s hot”.

    The veterans in this game have more hip hop in their pinky’s than some of the artist today have running through they entire bodies. These are the people who should be shot-callin’ in the game, not one-hit wonder gimmick rappers who just got in the game to make a check and thier 15yr old fans who think that once you turn 30, regardless whether your the best MC or not, you shouldn’t be rappin.

    I said it before and imma say it again. This is the only genre of music that does this. You would NEVER hear the RnB community tell Luther Vandross to stop singin’ cuz he was too old. The shit doesn’t make sense

  • These Posts Are Racist

    Nice Post Billy. Dipset is notorious for this. These cats are well in their early 30′s but rip Jay for being 38 and rapping…even though he is clearly better than any of them can ever even imagine to be.

    Certain things change with age. For example, I’m 27 and so you won’t catch me rockin’ a jersey or white T, (and I’m not knockin’ younger brothas who do), but I will always love rap.

  • Dipset

    I wanna piss on you!!

  • Dipset

    As a matter of fact im gonna piss on “These posts are racist” No-Homo.

  • REALTALK

    BILLY YOU ARE COMPLETELY RIGHT AGAIN……….

  • http://xxlmag.com Billy X. Sunday

    I smell cunts on this thread. I never mentioned Wang name and y’all cunts are crying like nappy headed ho’s.

  • These Posts Are Racist

    And on the next “To Catch an Internet Tough Guy”, self titled “Dipset”…is exposed.

    Billy, keep doing what you do.

  • EReal

    How can someone with no talent rise to the top of rap music’s pantheon?
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Because about 75% of the people listening to the music dont know shit about hiphop, about whats good and whats not and the history and Rhyme Schemes, Cadence, Word Play, ect. They arent listening to the MC’s words anymore they’re listening to the words as they would a drum loop or a guitar sample, as part of the beat. It’s ridiculous.
    My girl and I were in the car and for the most part she dosent fucks with rap. Only what Ive turned her onto and besides that the closest would be bands like 311, Transplants (Who are bad ass), ect. I do talk to her about the idustry and rappers and bitch about stuff like I do on the boards tho, so she is knowledgeable, its just not her deal.
    Anyway, We’re in the car and Im bumpin one of the Southern Smoke mixtapes, I think its the newest because It has the ‘We Takin Over’ on it.
    My girl looks at me after every Weezy verse and goes, WTF was that?
    Im like, yeah, and some cats out here think Wayne is the best in the game.
    She goes, but he sucks, like really.
    Im like, I know, he’s getting killed on every colab he does. Every song, he did one with Bun B, another with a Cat I dont even know, T.I., all KILLED this dude on colabs.
    My point being, people have different tastes and I understand that. Yet, when it gets to a certin point I dont even get it anymore. I cant even turn on the radio because everything on it sucks balls. I cant turn on MTV or BET because thats all shit.
    People have either settled for what they think is good and or hot, or they have been mis-informed.
    I was talkin to my home-girl’s little brother about hiphop and shit and the kid had never heard murda musik, he had never heard illmatic, he had never heard ready to die or the blueprint. I told him that if he loves hiphop he should be informed and that ignorance wasnt a good look. I proceded also to tell him that he has the greatest thing to happen in hundreds of years and thats the internet. That he has access to read, to hear, to dicuss, and to understand hiphop, and that being ignorant wasnt a good look.
    The next time I saw the kid he knew a buncha new shit and he was really hype to be able to hold convos to know about these older albums and rappers and understanding structure of a song, lyrical content, rhyme schemes. He told me that if I hadnt got at him like that he probably wouldve learned what was hot by co-singin his buddy’s bullshit and listenin to the radio.
    Thats my whole point about this new generation, they are underinformed and not as proud of the genre as we are / were.

    Go ask any kid 18 and under if they know the 4 elements. I bet 90% wont even know what you’re talking about.

    1 hunned.

  • So?

    Billy, instead of putting down these young men who are living a “12 year old lifestyle”, why don’t you mentor some young dudes? Are you too cool for that? How about you show some of these young brothers what it’s like to be a successful black man who didn’t have to be a rapper or play a sport in order to achieve great things.

    Black people can always tell you what other black people are doing wrong but they never take the steps to teach. Stop laughing at your own people for their ignorance and help them to overcome it!

  • http://www.myspace.com/theanticorp SONNY CHEEBA

    ^^^co-sign like a mufugga!

  • http://dahshyt.blogspot.com Belize

    U need sum reggae in ur life bwoy!

  • BIGNAT

    The age thing is about the competitive marketplace, which is the driving force of rap right now, instead of hip-hop culture. If Dipset or who ever can convince fans that you shouldn’t be brought because you are too old they feel that then they can capture that market share. Even though someone with intelligence and an independent mindstate would easily determine that how good the music sounds personally is the most important thing.

    It’s funny to me that you could read a 30 plus year old rappers rhymes and wouldn’t be able to tell the difference if they were 18. That’s in itself is a shame, but in the upside down world of hip-hop it is viewed as an asset.

  • Calibud

    “Because about 75% of the people listening to the music dont know shit about hiphop, about whats good and whats not and the history and Rhyme Schemes, Cadence, Word Play, ect. They arent listening to the MC’s words anymore they’re listening to the words as they would a drum loop or a guitar sample, as part of the beat.”

    Who are you to say that if someone doesnt enjoy the kind of rapper you like thats means they dont know real Hip Hop? No 1 mans taste is above another mans. Thats some egomaniacal shit right there.
    And whats the problem with someone using there voice as an instrument, isnt that part of our gift as black musicians?

    Oh and to Billy, I know a sublimenal when I see 1.

  • http://xxlmag.com Billy X. Sunday

    ^Oh I get it, you a subliminal but you aren’t able to spell the word.

    I don’t believe you, you need more people.

  • Calibud

    Me mispelling a word is your best comeback?

    I GOT EM!!

    Feed me bloggers, or feed me posts.

  • The terminator

    Yeah that is why we don’t feel dr. dre anymore because he can’t relate to us. I would rather listen to a camron, jim jones album than anything coming from 50 yr. old dre. I can relate to those dudes because of the age factor.

  • EReal

    “Because about 75% of the people listening to the music dont know shit about hiphop, about whats good and whats not and the history and Rhyme Schemes, Cadence, Word Play, ect. They arent listening to the MC’s words anymore they’re listening to the words as they would a drum loop or a guitar sample, as part of the beat.”

    Who are you to say that if someone doesnt enjoy the kind of rapper you like thats means they dont know real Hip Hop? No 1 mans taste is above another mans. Thats some egomaniacal shit right there.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Actually there is a difference, and if you actually read what I said, I didnt name any rappers. I named song structure and rhyme structure which people of that generation know nothing about. Rap is more than just saying words, there is a structure. When a rappers uses no song structure, no metaphors, word play, cadence, rhyme schemes, ect. Then he’s just talking shit on a track. That makes a big difference to me, but my standards must be damn better than yours. I also said people have different tastes, and you didnt quote that. Dont take my words out of context there, lil homie.

    And whats the problem with someone using there voice as an instrument, isnt that part of our gift as black musicians?
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Yeah if you’re doing scat or some shit like that or beatboxing. Last time I checked Rap Music was a spoken word art form and IMO it should matter what you say. My point of saying that was to show that the new generation isnt even listening, they’re just hearing the beat. Therefore being an actual MC or being a shitty MC is the same thing to them, as long as the beat is hot. Which is detrimental to the art form. Again, this isnt MSNBC, so try not to spin my shit.

    1 hunned.

  • Calibud

    Growing up as a kid listening to Hip Hop you dont know nothin about the structuring of a song, all you know is either you like it or you dont. Now what gives someone the power to say that an individual shouldnt enjoy a certain type of Hip Hop music because it wasnt created a certain way. Everyone has their right to like the music that feels good to them. This whole thing about implying certain cats are dumb because they listen to this rapper or that rapper is absurd, that mentality is probably the biggest reason why it seems like Hip Hop is dying. I might not like Young Joc but who am I to say he’s garbage if there are people out there who enjoy his shit? It would be cool to see a little more respect for what other dudes liked. Where’s the unity?

  • kt

    the reason why rap is so mindless cause they market it like cartoons for kids it also shows a reflection of our community no respect for elders or anytype of athority Its ashame that we dont even have different catagories of rap like rock music its either all gangsta or its wack even r&b has followed that trend if we broading our minds everybody would be eating and everybody wouldnt be sounding the same cause it would be good thing to be different come on people its poetry can we get back to creativity thats why the other side makes more $$$ the music is straight up putting us to shame

  • http://www.hoodgrownonline.com Hoodgrown

    Man I was a shorty when “Super Sperm” came out. I’ve been into hip hop since it’s inception in the heart of NYC. I remember the “jams in the park” when niggas would bring out the turntables and plug them into the light post on the street for power and niggas would jump off the party and the cops wouldn’t even fuck with you. I remember the “Mike and Dave” parties, Harlem World, Union Square and the like. When there were no 24 hour hip hop and r&b stations. Niggas had 4 hours of hip hop on Friday and Saturday nights and the Awesome 2 on Sunday AM radio. I remember cats breakdancing and poppin during lunch in school. I went to the High School of Graphic Communication Arts on 49th and 8ave in Manhattan and remember when they were filming the “all you can eat” scene in Krush Groove at the Sabarros in Time Square and cats were running out the school to try to be an extra in that shit. I remember my peeps leaving school early to go tag on the trains with markers they created from airisol cans and erasers.

    Being a part of hip hop meant you were a part of something special. Something the mainstream didn’t understand. If you were rapping and spent time perfecting your craft, you did because you truly loved hip hop.. not because you thought you were going to be rich.. because at the time… there was not a lot of money in it. It then spread out to LA and the South during that time period and that’s when the music was most authentic because it was done for love.. not money and the indie’s ran the scene.

    It’s crazy to think that because I’m 30(ish) that all of sudden hip hop isn’t for me anymore. Are you fucking crazy! That’s like giving up a child that you watched grow.
    Hell truth be told niggas still think i’m in fucking high school because I look so young. I’ve never even fucking shaved… never needed to. So you might see me in the China club without a clue as to how old I am.
    Anyway, A lot of these niggas coming up don’t even love this shit, they just see it as a “get rich quick” scheme which is why music sales are at the lowest they’ve ever been. Nigga don’t tell me I’m too old to enjoy hip hop… I just expect more from the music as opposed to “stupid dances” and “club songs”. Not to say that there’s something wrong with that.. but there has to be more to the music. More to say. Hell “real life” is crazy!! So why do niggas keep focusing on the same damn topics under the guise of repping the streets. Get the fuck outta here.

    That’s why I’m feeling Chamillionaire’s new album because son took a risk is trying to speak on some really “REAL SHIT” instead of the same old nonsense most of these rap niggas is talking about.

    Funny though…

    It’s a southern cat with a popular fanbase who is willing to take a risk to bring something real to the table.

    Regardless of what people have said… I guess the south ain’t killing hip hop after all…

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