Scourge of the Era

This may be difficult to remember, especially for some of you younger kids, but there was a time not too long ago when the world wasn’t nearly as fucked up as it is now; the crack epidemic had more or less come and gone, taking with it may of society’s least desirable elements, the Arab community was more or less in check, and the economy was about as good as it was going to get in this age of globalization uber alles.

The time I speak of was, of course, the 1990s. Counting Crows’ “Mr. Jones” was a Buzz Clip, and all was right with the world – or at least as right as it’ll ever be in our lifetime. As such, we were forced to find more trivial issues to concern ourselves with. For example, I remember reading as a middle school-aged kid that the most popular drug amongst kids my age was not in fact weed, but steroids.

In fact, a subplot of the first season of my favorite TV series evar the Real World involved steroids. Eric Nies had been kicked out of high school for juicing up and would have to take regular trips to New Jersey, or wherever trashy white people live in New York (Queens?) to see his p.o. and take a piss test.

Interestingly enough, after that first season ended, he went on to have one of the more successful careers of a Real World cast member as host of The Grind, and I couldn’t help but notice he was a lot more cut up than he was when he was on the Real World. Hmm… (nullus). I’m not accusing the guy of going back on the juice, but suffice it to say that a young, but already quite portly Bol began to consider his options.

Of course the thing about steroids is that you still have to work out while you’re on them. In fact, I’m not even sure what would happen if you took steroids but didn’t work out. My guess is that you’d just get fatter, but your junk would get even smaller. Or maybe nothing would really happen. Either way, I obviously didn’t care enough about my appearance to find out.

When you get paid borderline subsistence wages to talk shit about music over the Internets all day, it doesn’t matter as much how you look; but one arena in which personal appearance is becoming increasingly more important is hip-hop. There was a time, back before hip-hop began to suck balls, when a fucked up-looking rapper like Biggie Smalls could get by on sheer talent, but obviously those days are long since gone.

In these days of rappers dancing around on TV with no shirt and making out with other guys, it’s as important as ever to have a nice six pack rather than the proverbial fuel tank for a sex machine. As cynical a genre of music as rap is, I suppose it was only a matter of time before rappers turned to steroids in order to get a leg up on the competition.

Here’s the thing: I could give a rat’s ass if some d-bag wants to ruin his heart and shrink his junk just to get that toned, Nazi look. If baseball players want to juice up, that’s perfectly fine by me. Best case scenario, maybe they all turn into Barry Bonds; but even if half of them die, there’s an obvious up side: fewer athletes in the world = more time for people to read about things of actual consequence.

But I do worry about the effect ‘roids may have on the hip-hop community. We’re only a few years into Steroid Era and already I’m noticing way more roid rage incidents than we see in professional sports. Busta Rhymes stays in and out of jail for going all Incredible Hulk on people, and now I see Saigon has gone and tried to beat up his girlfriend with a car.

Similarly, you have to wonder what effect steroid abuse is having on hip-hop beef. Is it any wonder that the two highest profile beefs in hip-hop as we speak involve 50 Cent and Timbaland, who are both obviously on the juice? How long until either of these turns into the first hip-hop beef-related roid rage incident?

  • jdubb

    pointless…

  • TheColdest

    I be da 1st

  • TheColdest

    Oh yeah, its not a “special” report if no one really cares…

  • Combat Jack

    ^ “and now I see Saigon has gone and tried to beat up his girlfriend with a car.”

    Hillarious! What’s Young Lip Gloss’ take on this?

  • DEUCE

    Good post and good observation. Would this explain L.L. attacking Hov about his record sales?

  • NY’z FiiNest

    First biitches!!

  • http://xxlmag.com TerrorTwinz 07

    Boring…

  • LONZO

    aint nothin wrong wit bein on roids, u bitch made ass fat fuck muthatfucka!

  • matt

    first

  • Fernando

    Bol Says:

    “fewer athletes in the world = more time for people to read about things of actual consequence”

    Bol, as if the Video interview wasnt enough to prove it already….you are a homo-in-denial. What do you have against sports? Other than the fact that you were always Sh*tty at them and have never attempted to work out past lifting Taco Bell sludge burritos to your slovenly gullet. So lets recap…

    1. You jerk it to Gin Blossom videos
    2. You hate sports
    3. You do nothing but review Real World Episodes & Emo-Rock albums.
    4. You drive a mini-van.
    5. You posess a fat-man’s-lisp
    6. YOu devote articles to noticing the muscular structure of Rap artists

    Hmmmm….all this + the video interview confirms that Bol is a straight up B*tch. Estrogen trapped in Shamoo’s body.

  • Dr Flav

    So Mr Ghetto Revolutionary is a woman beater? NY LOST!

  • http://dahshyt.blogspot.com Belize

    My boy was juicing. He lost it and beat a dude unconcious, so they gave him 15. real talk. steroids is wakkkk

  • Tyler

    Bol, U are a motherfuckin’ fool dawg. . Good laughs son. . And if a dude wants 2 make his dick small and increase his chances of having heart failure why should we give a shit? More bitches for us.
    Get wit’ it or Get Roll over by it:
    http://www.myspace.com/marcusorealiusmusic
    http://www.myspace.com/marcmaysrockandrollthug

  • these posts are racist

    “the Arab community was more or less in check”.

    You constant racism/xenophobia and Islam-phobia is disgusting. I am shocked that XXL doesn’t have enough journalist integrity to seperate real issues from just plain hate. Your attack on Muslims (all 1.3 billion of them) in your lupe fiasco posts should have been enough for someone to step in.

  • H-LO

    Timbo is on steroids?

  • http://xxlmag.com Bol

    >Bol, as if the Video interview wasnt enough to prove it already….you are a homo-in-denial.

    At least I wasn’t named after an Abba song.

    (nullus)

  • Meka Soul

    >Hillarious! What’s Young Lip Gloss’ take on this?>

    i’m pretty sure he’s too busy moisturizing his situation [pause!] with sai-giddy’s bugdet to worry about it.

    LMAO @ “pain in her life.”

  • Bucks

    I was thinking about that exact thing the other day. Good article.

  • these posts are racist

    “the Arab community was more or less in check”.

    Your constant racism/xenophobia and Islam-phobia is disgusting. I am shocked that XXL doesn’t have enough journalist integrity to seperate real issues from just plain hate. Your attack on Muslims (all 1.3 billion of them) in your lupe fiasco posts should have been enough for someone to step in.

  • Fernando

    Damn…..YN still hasnt repaired the comment section??

    This crap is worthless. It takes damn near 20 minutes to view new comments.

    Step it up XXL

  • Moe Real

    I don’t get how this can be called a “special report.” What exactly did you report? At least you didn’t call it an “insider’s look” or whatever.

    PS What are your favourite pizza toppings?

  • stoneyisland

    You a coward Bol, why didnt you drop names like Busta who obviously is on roids or melle mel………….or bumpy knuckles? you’s a bitch bol.

  • Fernando

    Yeah,

    At least Fernando isnt my real name. Good try Bol.

    Isnt it about time for your 4th Meal? I know you were hella happy when Taco Bell ran that campaign.

    Bol: “At last! Society will accept me for gorging on re-hydrated beef more than 3 times a day!! YEESSSSS

  • thecollinb

    i used to juice in high school when i played football….shit was called the beast, i never roided out tho cause this one white dude on our team who thought he was Tweeter from Varsity Blues got a hole in his heart and ended up haveing a crazy ceizure after i rocked his ass (no Esera Tuaolo)
    shit was fun while it lasted but it’s kinda juvenile to still be taking the beast…..you do see how high it made Barry Bonds voice.

  • sATaLyte

    Bol, you were a wrestler right?

    I don’t see what problem you have with sports, being conditioned, or homosexuality.

    But yeah, everybody I know(just one dude) got fucked up off steroid usage.

    My boy got so erratic, and his moods would just flip from day to day.

    I never saw the benefits of that shit.

    It’s a good thing they tell you in middle school that shit shrinks your dick, cuz your joint still kind of small, and that was just a collective hell nall from all the dudes in the class.

  • content

    PS What are your favourite pizza toppings?

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    lol

    …inquiring minds Bol

  • content

    good post

  • john cochran

    “fewer athletes in the world = more time for people to read about things of actual consequence”.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    The only part of the post I can agree with. Sports are way too important to us as a people. Soldiers getting shot by the dozens and people wanna know what how many TDs TO scored. The rest of the post I pretty much cant feel, my being heterosexual and all.

  • SukedowN

    ^^It’s a good thing they tell you in middle school that shit shrinks your dick, cuz your joint still kind of small, and that was just a collective hell nall from all the dudes in the class.

    Nice.

  • My Effin’ Opinion

    I really didn’t think Bol had any purpose on this site, but know I see that i’m wrong … Bol is here for therapeutic reasons …

    If your having a bad day, just visit xxlmag, click on a Bol post and call him a fat fuck or something … you’ll be surprised how you start feeling better.

  • Cuban Link

    Fernando Says:

    March 1st, 2007 at 2:26 pm
    Bol Says:

    “fewer athletes in the world = more time for people to read about things of actual consequence”

    Bol, as if the Video interview wasnt enough to prove it already….you are a homo-in-denial. What do you have against sports? Other than the fact that you were always Sh*tty at them and have never attempted to work out past lifting Taco Bell sludge burritos to your slovenly gullet. So lets recap…

    1. You jerk it to Gin Blossom videos
    2. You hate sports
    3. You do nothing but review Real World Episodes & Emo-Rock albums.
    4. You drive a mini-van.
    5. You posess a fat-man’s-lisp
    6. YOu devote articles to noticing the muscular structure of Rap artists

    Hmmmm….all this + the video interview confirms that Bol is a straight up B*tch. Estrogen trapped in Shamoo’s body.

    ^just because u used a * to block out shitty ur the biggest homo on this site (No Rich Boy’s 3 tracks ont eh bager colum.)

    Dr Flav Says:

    March 1st, 2007 at 2:34 pm
    So Mr Ghetto Revolutionary is a woman beater? NY LOST!

    ^Fuck you

    And last a big WTF to Stoneyisland.Bol did say shit about busta ya dumb shit

    Btw, this post was kinda homo Bol.No Weezy F Baby.

  • MANO410

    1ST OFF, “WHAT IS YOUR POINT IN THIS ARTICLE”…SECOND, DO ALITTLE HOMEWORK BEFORE YOU TALK ABOUT SOMETHING….STERIODS KILLED A HAND FULL OF PEOPLE OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YRS….WHY DON’T YOU SPEAK ABOUT THE REAL PROBLEM…..DRUGS, ALCOHOL AND GUN PLAY, OH YEAH, AND THE LACK OF LYRICAL CONTENT NOW ADAYS…WOW, AND FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT WANT LEGAL STERIODS, JUST SCROLL TO THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE….HYPOCRITES

  • http://xxlmag.com Bol

    >At least Fernando isnt my real name.

    And how is this any better?

    If anything, that’s even gayer.

  • Thalik Kid

    I dont see the point,It doesnt help their record sales and anybody that thinks that appearance will help a rapper is a fool. LL looks like he been hangin with Bonds and Canseco and his last album still bricked

  • frostyfreeze

    SUPA BOL!

    Please dont start beefing with people in the comments section. Leave that to Billy Sunday, The Thinnest Skinned Man on the Internet.

  • jacquez
  • Fernando

    Bol….

    Did I somehow manage to get under that 3 inch layer of lard called your skin??

    Cuban Link,

    Its called messing around at work and not wanting cuss words on a crappy blog to get me fired. Use your brain idiot. Do you feel cool being named after a washed up rapper who got kicked out of Terror Squad (The weakest click in the game)????

    John Cochran,

    Guess what fun boy. ALL THE TROOPS WANT TO KNOW HOW MANY TD’s TO HAD!! To watch other people achieve athletic feats that 99% of the world cant do is why they are so popular. How many hours of your day do you suggest we devote to talking about soldiers getting shot?? Is it a topic that must be talked about a minimum of 4 hours a day? If anything, sports provide a necessary deistraction from that crap because the war is on the news 24/7. And if you are so concerned with talking about the troops, why dont you ask how they would feel if we cut out athletics and sports coverage. Bet they would call you a limp wristed pansy.

    And for Bol, who makes a living commenting on the garbage of society (rap beefs, crappy albums, Real World episodes, fast food polls, tabloid trash) to say we could be devoting time to reading important stuff instead of sports just comes off as a little….er, uh,….RETARDED!

  • Fernando

    Bol Says:

    March 1st, 2007 at 4:53 pm
    >At least Fernando isnt my real name.

    And how is this any better?

    If anything, that’s even gayer.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Yeah, the name BOL just screams heterosexuality. Its so creative too. I know I should have used an awesome name like Cuban Link, Dj Ncredible, or even Dr. Flav.

  • che

    HAHA!!!

    BOL YOU FAT FUCK!!!! YOU LOOK LIKE A BLACK VERSION OF THE DAD FROM FAMILY GUY!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWOQRw-iHos

  • FRANK

    i think bol needs some steroids so he can hold that fat head of his upright & not be leaning on it’s side like always.

  • http://xxlmag.com Bol

    >Guess what fun boy. ALL THE TROOPS WANT TO KNOW HOW MANY TD’s TO HAD!!

    That’s because they’re idiots. How do you think they got in the army in the first place?

    >Yeah, the name BOL just screams heterosexuality.

    I’ll have you know Bol is an African name. Are you saying all Africans are gay?

    (nullus)

  • http://www.myspace.com/poisonousdarthfc Poisonous Dart

    ^This was pointless. One.

  • Fernando

    FYI,

    Rap album sales have slid 21% from 2005-2006. Worse than every other category of music.

  • Fernando

    No, not all Africans are ghey. But they do all have AIDS, so you never know. But more to the point, only your name specifically is ghey.

    A good 50% of the troops are idiots. But there are some smart muthafuckas n there too. And dont try to act like I was using the troops as a way to promote watching sports. I was only punking John Cochran for saying we need to talk about shot sodiers all the time & not spend so much time on sports. But he is a fag, so that issue is dead.

    I think Bol doesnt like sports because when he was young tried to play with the other white kids, he had the coordination of two retards fucking.

  • Tek

    Funny read Bol….I get what you’re saying.

  • john cochran

    Nando, if you’re so smart how come you can’t even spell distraction. And thats the problem with society, people want distractions so that they dont have to deal with the truth. I like football like any other american male (except Bol), but the problem is when alot of kids know the whole roster on their favorite team and dont know who the governor of their own damn state is. So, you go ahead and let them distract you while healthcare continues to suck, kids got books in school from the 80′s, and the very fabric of the black family is torn to shreds. 1

  • derfla the hus’la

    I’ll have you know Bol is an African name. Are you saying all Africans are gay?

    (nullus)
    ^^

    daim bol you totally loosing it man this whole post jus came out wrong and your come back was one dumb ass comeback coz there’s no way all Africans can be named Bol.

  • triplesixninja

    steroids aren’t bad for u if u take them correctly

  • J S-O-T

    i think that rappers on roids also influence there fans into thinkin it’s cool, one of my friends, who is a huge fiddy fan has jus started takin them because he wants to be “as big as fifty” as he puts it. My mates 20 this year an not exactly dumb. It jus goes to show how much hip-hop can influence someone, even those who should know better/

    rappers or anyone for that matter who take steroids need their head checkin

  • BREEZE

    Im pretty sure the Bol commetns arent Bol himself…

  • yo mammy

    “HIP HOP COONS ON STEROIDS’ News At 11:00 Sounds like a headline.

  • Boner Jams 03

    Fernando vs Bol = WORST beef in blog history….ever

  • derfla the hus’la

    daim fernando all African’s have aids? now thats some straight verbal diarrhea rite thur

  • E AKA THE REAL NORIEAGA

    Take creatin instead of steroids. Creatin dosen’t shrink your package(no santa claus) and if you drink a lot of water you won’t get dehydrated. Also your muscles recover quicker. Creatin = steroids without the side effects.

  • Jason Murk

    Out of shape niggas always want to accuse cut up niggas of taking roids. If you eat right and exercise, your body will change NATURALLY. I’m bout the same size as LL, and my co-workers always accuse me of taking steroids. I ain’t never took shit.

    As for this article, it didn’t have a gotdamn thing to do with steroids in hip hop. No names were dropped, and the examples given were weak as fuck. LL been in shape since he came out, Melle Mel been liftin for YEARS, and most of the niggas that get on stage and take they shirt off (Lil Wayne, Bow Wow) cain’t be more than 150 lbs.

  • DoubleR

    Curtisssssssssssssssss

  • 007

    BOL Really mad, guess he watched that video of himself and realised just how bad he looks!!

  • embee

    why dont yall stop trolling around the internet and find something better to do

  • Avenger

    Busta on something he needs to calm down before he ends up doing time over some dumbshit and stop thuging this nigga was a member of leaders of the new school, cool with martha Stuart(Who is natuarally more hard body than Bust) cause she did Jail time LOL

  • EReal

    Fernanndooo -
    “Other than the fact that you were always Sh*tty at them and have never attempted to work out past lifting Taco Bell sludge burritos to your slovenly gullet.” LMAO!

    Bol – “At least I wasn’t named after an Abba song.” At least Fernando isnt my real name.

    “And how is this any better?
    If anything, that’s even gayer.”

  • EReal

    @ Embee

    Go Fuck Yourself.

    Why dont you stop trolling around the internets telling people to stop trolling around the internets, bitch?
    Kill Yourself.

  • these posts are racist

    Does anyone else have a problem with the constant anti-Muslim/anti-arab sentiment in Bol’s posts? BOL-do you not realize you are being racist and anti-Muslim? Do you realize everything you say about Islam is incorrect? Especially your references to Palestine? Discussing the Palestinian situation, and centering around terrorism is like discussing slavery of African Americans in the US and centering the conversation around Nat Turner.

  • these posts are racist

    BOL-Do you not realize how anti Arab and anti Muslim your posts are? You make references to conflicts that you no little about. For example, discussing the Palestinian situation, where millions of people are subjected to live under apartheid (because they are muslim or christian Palestinians) from the view point of terroism is like discussing American slavery and centering the conversation around Nat Turner. Do you not see this?

  • che

    >I ain’t never took shit. – jason murk

    haha..sums up the past decade in black music on so many levels.

  • che

    >these posts are racist

    do you realise that the comment you just made probably had the opposite effect of what you’re hoping for?

    you’re adding to the controversy which fuels the racist/anti-muslim argument. which itself isn’t a bad thing except that you’re doing it within the ignorance of a bol post, I agree with what you’re saying and bol is a lazy fat fuck who i wouldn’t give the steam off my piss if his life depended on it.

    but unfortunately, most people that post comments here are just as ignorant as bol. bol realises what he’s doing. and if anyone ever had any respect for bol wait till they see this video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWOQRw-iHos

  • EReal

    WHAT THE FUCK XXL!

    My posts are either getting cut or not posting at all, da fuck.

    Bol, you better not have deleted my post you fat fucking sloppy bobbleheaded double chinned lisping piece of ghey shit.
    ^ You’re right Effin, I feel better already. LOL.

    Oh, and steroids are wack.

  • Fernando

    Obviously a typo Cochran. Nobody past a 3rd grade reading level thinks distraction is spelled with an ‘E’ at the beginning. You proved nothing.

    I agree that a lot of Americans are stupid, but sports are hardly to blame. If people dont know enough about politics thats their own damn fault.

    And I know not all Africans have AIDS….only 50%! And what do Sh*tty black american families have to do with anything??????? That was just random

  • EReal

    Hey Posts are Racist,

    America is anti muslim. Why dont you tell the fucking extremests to stop making it their mission in life to destroy America and maybe we’d have a little bit more sympathy.

    Oh yeah, and everyone already knows Bol has teh ghey, it even says it on his wikipedia page, LOL..

  • My Effin’ Opinion

    EReal Says:

    March 2nd, 2007 at 12:28 pm

    “Why dont you stop trolling around the internets telling people to stop trolling around the internets, bitch?”

    ^^^^
    Classic. He set himself up for that one. LOL

  • the bob hope

    fernando–

    next time you might pick ‘dancing queen’ for a screen name. maybe a better fit?

    and ‘these posts’? Bol’s been racist. and sexist and homophobic. you better ask somebody…or go somewhere else.

  • these posts are racist

    –Ereal, your ignorance is hilarious.

    There are 1.3 billion Muslims in the world, they span the globe. There are millions of Muslims in China, Russia, Fracnce, South American, North America; basically the entire globe. So when you say “your people”, what do you mean? Muslims live in every country on earth, are members of 1000′s of differenct cultures, languages, etc. How many of the 1.3. billion muslims have committed terrorist acts? Wow.

  • these posts are racist

    Ereal–So when you say “you people” you don’t see how, not only is that ignorant and racist, etc. but is also just wrong…as there is no “you people” in such a diverse pool of individuals. Also, per your logic, since there are whites who committed atrocities, see, slavery, okhlohoma city bombings, etc. that “you people” [whites] should be hated? Since there are blacks that commit crimes, is it OK to hate blacks until “those people” stop committing those crimes? Learn, read.

  • EReal

    @ These Posts.

    Uhm, why dont you read?

    I didnt say ‘you people’. I said why dont YOU tell the EXTREMISTS (not all muslims, extremists) to stop making it their mission to destroy America.
    Because, thats what we see & feel. Youre talking about Muslims as a whole right? Well how come the muslims that hate us dont care if you are a christian or a jew anywhere in the world? If you dont convert, you should be killed. They dont differentiate but we should??
    Thats some ignorance.

    I never said thats what I believe, I said thats how America feels right now. America at this time is Anti-Muslim because of what has happened to us, and the current world climate. We are judged across the world because of our leadership, i.e. Bush, and normal Americans are hated across the world for decisions that WE didnt make, the government did. SO why cant we judge the rest of the world based on such too? I.E. Iran, Syria, Egypt, Palestine, Ect. For their constant support of extremist terrorism and threats of violence against our interests at home and aboad??
    Thats some ignorance.

    Dont half ass read my comment and come at me with some holier than thou bullshit.

    1 hunned.

  • Jay

    Bol your wack and a hater.

  • mannyworld33

    TOILET BOL!

    FUNNY POST! FUCK STEROIDS(NO WHITE DUDE FROM “THE PROGRAM”)

    EREAL WUS GOOD? YOU ROID’ RAGIN’? LOL

    FOR THE RECORD…..
    FERNANDO VS. BOL > 50 VS. CAM
    SHIT IS JUST WAY FUNNIER! LMAO

  • these posts are racist

    Ereal–Playboy, i never said I was holier than anyone. When you said “you” tell the extremeists, my point was, you act like all Muslims are the same and connected. You lumped Muslims into “you people”. My point in describing the diversity among Muslims is to illustrate that a chinese muslim, for example, is much different in terms of practices, (religious, cultural, etc.) then say, a persian or arab or white/black American Muslim. So when you say “you” tell the “extremists”, etc. it’s implied, expressley that we are the same and have some universal communication line, which is ignorant and false. Finally, the fact that you lump Palestine, etc. all together, further demonstrates your ignorance. Palestine has a unique situation. Again, discussing the Palestinian situation, where millions of people are subjected to live under apartheid (because they are muslim or christian Palestinians) from the view point of terroism is like discussing American slavery and centering the conversation around Nat Turner. Do you not see this?

    Finally, in Islam, forcing someone to convert is illegal, per the Qur’an. Moreover, Muslims and Christians have lived together and still live together in many places around the world. Each country is different and the dynamics are unique. In Palestine, Muslim Arabs and Christian arabs are brothers/sisters, live together, etc. and are persecuted by Israel, because they are not Israel.

    You see why you’re ignorant?

  • these posts are racist

    BOL–What does “the Arab community was more or less in check” mean? Arab-American Community??? No Arab-American’s were involved in any terrorist activities. The world Arab American Community? Your ignorance and complete lack of care for real discussion is sad.

    Because there are certain blacks who commit crimes, is it OK, to say the “black community” is out of pocket and not in check?

    You are one ignorant dude, homeboy.

  • EReal

    Ereal–Playboy, i never said I was holier than anyone.
    ^
    I didnt say you said anything, holier than thou is an attitude, homie.

    When you said “you” tell the extremeists, my point was, you act like all Muslims are the same and connected. You lumped Muslims into “you people”. My point in describing the diversity among Muslims is to illustrate that a chinese muslim, for example, is much different in terms of practices, (religious, cultural, etc.) then say, a persian or arab or white/black American Muslim. So when you say “you” tell the “extremists”, etc. it’s implied, expressley that we are the same and have some universal communication line, which is ignorant and false.
    ^^
    Ever heard of a figure of speech? It sounds like you have a chip and cant wait to preech on someone, to me. I was trying to express the attitude of the american people right now in general. I also think it’s ignorant of YOU to assume that, of course youre not all connected. That should go without saying.

    Finally, the fact that you lump Palestine, etc. all together, further demonstrates your ignorance. Palestine has a unique situation. Again, discussing the Palestinian situation, where millions of people are subjected to live under apartheid (because they are muslim or christian Palestinians) from the view point of terroism is like discussing American slavery and centering the conversation around Nat Turner. Do you not see this?
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    I lumped all of those countries together because they all share the same traits to express my point. They all harbour and even support groups of islamic extremists and they have all made threats against not only military and government, but civiliian targets.
    As for Palestine, ‘The View Point of Terrorism’??? Are you kidding me? The regime that is controlling Palestine is a terrorist militant orginization that is now fighting another terrorist militant orginization for control and killing their own people in the process. Palestine, EXSPECIALLY, is a country who blames most of their problems on the US and Isreal, yet they cannot comprimise for peace. It has long been the view of most palestinians that Isreal should not exist PERIOD. Where the compassion there? This is a State where they held open elections and the party they elected to office, as I said is a terrorist orginization.

    Finally, in Islam, forcing someone to convert is illegal, per the Qur’an. Moreover, Muslims and Christians have lived together and still live together in many places around the world. Each country is different and the dynamics are unique.
    ^^^
    Maybe for most muslims, but the muslim EXTREMISTS that I was talking about will cut your head off if you dont convert, so they dont MAKE you per say.. but do you have a choice? See the reporter that claimed to convert to keep themselves alive.

    In Palestine, Muslim Arabs and Christian arabs are brothers/sisters, live together, etc. and are persecuted by Israel, because they are not Israel.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Look, I dont know if we’re on the same page. You are talking about muslims as a whole, which I was never talking about. I was talking about the muslim EXTREMISTS. This again sounds more preachy, to me. It always comes full circle dosent it?? Back to Isreal persecuting you. We are not going to see eye to eye on that issue, and since you’ve created an argument out of taking a comment in the wrong manner, Im not even gonna go into it. Religion and Politics you dont debate because there is no middle ground, and I can tell there wont be any by the way you’re going about the discussion. By putting words in my mouth and intent to my words that arent there. Much like many countries do to Isreal.

    You see why you’re ignorant?
    ^^
    Nope. Just because you dont share the same point of view dosen’t make me ignorant.

    1 hunned.

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    Ereal-No, having a different Opinion is fine…stating false fact is not.

    Read about Palestine, and holler homey, playboy.

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    EREAL–Do you have any clue of the history of the Palestinians? Do you know the state of Israel was founded in the year 1948, on the backs of Palestinians? Do you know that to be a citizen of Israel, you have to be jewish? But that 50% of the people living under Isralie rule are not jewish? Therefore, that is apartheid? Do you know, that the state of Israel was founded by Jewish terrorists? (per international law)? Do you know they murdered, intentionally, innocent civilians, to create the state of Israel, on the backs of the locals living there, christian and muslim Palestinians? You have no clue what you’re talking about.

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