Saturday night trendwatching

By show of hands, who else was flabbergasted to learn, via MTV’s Cribs, that so many black people keep a copy of the film Scarface in their homes? In fact, many will even go so far as to keep a copy of Scarface in a separate shrine apart from the rest of their DVD collection, as if it was a precious heirloom or some shit.

Here’s the thing: Scarface is an awful, awful film. Only one critic gave it a positive review upon its release in 1983. I saw it as a teenager in the late ’90′s and could hardly make it through it. I ended up seeing it again a few years ago, after learning that so many rappers were obsessed with it, but, alas, I’m still at a loss for what you ‘bags see in it.

According to the world renown comments section here at XXL, Scarface is a great film because it’s “real.” Which strikes me as a silly and invented reason to like a film, but what do I know. Since its MTV Cribs-assisted resurgence in popularity, Scarface has sold gozillions of dollars worth of deluxe edition DVDs, video games, clothing and what have you.

In fact, as it turns out, there’s a whole underground economy of god-awful pop culture foisted upon black people who don’t know any better. Examples include the likes of ghetto lit novels by Zane and Sister Souljah, films in which black men dress up like older black women, VH1′s Celeb Reality series with Flava Flav, minstrel show rap and so on and so forth.

I don’t bring this up because I begrudge poor black people their right to partake in entertainment that’s suited to their own level of cognitive ability. In fact, I can only encourage any pastime that doesn’t involve smoking crack and/or breaking into Bol’s car. But it does become an issue once it begins to infringe on my ability to enjoy black popular culture that’s not retarded.

For example, there have been stories in the New York Times in the past year or so in which black authors complain that quality black literature is being pushed aside at book stores in favor of ghetto lit, and black playwrights complain that the kind of black theater put forth by Tyler Perry is so much more popular than the works of the great black playwright August Wilson.

Granted, I’m sure most of you d-bags could give a rat’s ass about either theater or literature, but I think it’s obvious these same trends that have been affecting other forms of black popular culture are beginning to affect hip-hop. Is it any wonder, for example, that so much of today’s best-selling rap music is popular primarily among poor black people in the rural south?

This is especially bothersome to me because you would never see this happen in the majority popular culture. Where as white people can have both a band like the Arcade Fire and a band like Nickelback, it seems like the corporations that run popular culture are much more reticent to support anything other than lowest common denominator when it comes to our shit.

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This post is dedicated to the memory of the late, great Brad Delp, the lead singer of Boston who, though he wasn’t black per se, did have a huge afro.

  • empryssofmarlyn

    1st!!!!

    ~~in which black authors complain that quality black literature is being pushed aside at book stores in favor of ghetto lit~~~

    thank u 4 bringing this issue to light i cacn’t find a decent book by a black author that doesn’t talk about strippaz hustlaz ho’s narcotics and the ghetto that shyt gets old really quick if u listen to that everyday

    W.E.B Du Bois is probably doin backflips in his grave

  • thecollinb

    my wife and i were talking about this last year at some point and were on oposing ends of the tyler perry argument, to me, compared to theatre i’ve seen, tyler perry is coon’n heavy…my wife feels that anything that gets black folk from in front of the tv is always gonna be a good look because it could eventually lead to us actually delving deeper into theatre (i.e. going to see dream girls or the wiz and dare we say the scarlet pimpernell)
    The brothers hustle is crucial but as far as submitting something of substance he might as well be biscuit dancing and doing mammy solos.
    Zane is a hack…she’s the reason why all black women have taken to hosting passion parties a.k.a. lemme find out if i like licking coocher parties.
    there will always be a percentage appeased with the trash put out on the curb, a few will go on to inquire about the house where the trash came from.
    good one Bol

  • http://www.optional2.com Thurs

    Bol,

    I like your writing – honest – but way to pick a self-defeating comparison in the last paragraph.

    Arcade Fire have sold about 3 million records. Maybe less. Nickelback have sold something like 15 million US, and wikipedia says 25 mil worldwide off that ‘How You Remind Me’ shit. Remember that?

    Lowest common denominator sells regardless of race.

    Also, I think most rappers know that Scarface is bad.

  • DEESENOTS

    I KINDA SEE WHERE YOU’RE GOING WITH THIS. BUT IT COMES FROM THE FACT NOONE WILL SUPPORT HIGHER BROW SHIT ANY WAY.

  • FuckUPayme618

    1st u bitches. East Boogie stand up we in here. Good post i would at to it but im posting from class. UMSL stand up

  • FuckUPayme618

    ^^^ hangs head in shame

  • LONZO

    ima be honest n say i quit readin ur post after where u say scarface is a bad film….cuuuuuurttttttisssssss.

  • joey bowie

    scarface rocks… last I checked it wasn’t just “jigs” who dug the flick… people loved the flick so much they made a TV show out of it (Miami Vice, anyone?)…

    still the rest of the post is ace… we just gotta do our thing and in time they ‘ll catch up to the real

  • http://xxlmag.com Bol

    >Arcade Fire have sold about 3 million records. Maybe less. Nickelback have sold something like 15 million US, and wikipedia says 25 mil worldwide off that ‘How You Remind Me’ shit. Remember that?

    Yeah, but that’s what I meant. Arcade Fire is very successful in its own right, even if it isn’t nearly as successful as Nickelback. In the black community, it seems like it’s usually either one or the other.

    Roffle @ people from East Boogie reading this.

  • thecollinb

    whats with shouting out your hood after proclaiming first in a blog?
    Bol, have you ever taken in any “theatre” that didn’t require broadband….not trying to be funny but curious if you even support art to talk about it.

  • http://Yahoo.com Bol is Right!

    “Zane is a hack…she’s the reason why all black women have taken to hosting passion parties a.k.a. lemme find out if i like licking coocher parties.”
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    I Really agree with the first comment. He hit right on the money with this statement above. And yes Scarface did suck ass the story, the plot, the dialog, only the killing was entertaining!

  • joey bowie

    oh yeah, being black maybe my opinion is a little suspect, but there’s a certain kind of “70s rock” that Boston OWNED for days straight up and down period…

    the whole first album is air guitar heaven… Jimmy Page must’ve flipped when he first heard “More Than A Feeling”

    and Arcade Fire suck…

    I’m still bummed about the Beta Band breaking up

  • Cee

    The people running these companies are racist. For instance, how much music would be released if you heard a lot of negative words directed toward the whites (i.e. kill the cracker). If these same artists wrote lines that said to kill crackers. I bet you that material would not see the light of day. It is a hidden agenda to assist in the destroying of blacks in this country. It ain’t just them, it is us too because we support this stuff.

  • B.N.W.

    I agree that Black culture is taking a big hit with the current trends. Southern hip-hop has got to be the most degrading form of black culture because it idolizes being poor & uneducated. Truth is country people sound ignorant unless your from the south. (sound not are, no bill o’reilly!!) I’m not a big Tyler Perry fan but i support all brotha’s getting $$$. It just sucks that making BULLSHIT is so profitable in today’s world of Black Culture.

  • ri067953

    Man-Scarface was heavy in hip-hop culture way before cribs. Let’s not forget “Balls and My Word” which was put out by the Geto Boys way back in like 1989. If you look past the explotation factor of Scarface you will see a deeper meaning to the story. Scarface risked all for wealth and lost in the end. He ended up alone and dead. As for the Tyler Perry thing, I don’t know about that because I haven’t seen any of the movies or plays but at lot of people seem to think they are funny. Maybe you have to look beyond the surface to see if the things mentioned in the blog have a deeper meaning.

  • http://xxlmag.com Bol

    >my wife feels that anything that gets black folk from in front of the tv is always gonna be a good look because it could eventually lead to us actually delving deeper into theatre (i.e. going to see dream girls or the wiz and dare we say the scarlet pimpernell)

    Yeah, but what’s the likelihood of that, let alone the likelihood of the TIs even allowing that to happen.

  • Dr Flav

    This site and some of the ideas communicated in these blogs are becoming irresponsibly out of hand. I read two references of “poor black people” used in the context that they are somehow automatically uneducated, uncivilized and without culture. That line of thinking is wrong and caters to the Willie Lynch doctrine. Poor simply means without money and considering the profitability of the items you are criticizing, apparently the poor are not the key demographic. The consumers of those products are not race specific.

  • http://xxlmag.com Bol

    >Bol, have you ever taken in any “theatre” that didn’t require broadband….not trying to be funny but curious if you even support art to talk about it.

    Yeah, but haven’t I already hit my embarrassment quota for 2007?

  • mista23

    There are morals to Perry’s productions, but they are wrapped up in a shucking and jiving package, that’s for damn sure. I mean I suppose that’s why he’s making real money, exploit some of your your culture and sell it to the white folks. Can’t knock the hustle. As far as Scarface, theres a moral behind it(don’t be too power hungry, never use and abuse your own stash, blah, blah, blah) but it comes in a really shitty not to well produced to the point where it’s laughable packaging. It’s one of those so bad you’ve got to laugh things.

  • Dr Flav

    Also, I resent people who have not lived in the south, speaking in regards to the educational background or dialect. Funny thing is, some of the great black intellectuals hail from the south, many of which were educated in southern institutes of higher learning. The main objective is literacy, individuals have the free will to chose what they wish and if the topics covered by said plays or books relate to those individuals, it is no ones concern on how they chose to nurture thier mind.

  • MN123456

    Here’s the thing, RI2222222. That lesson you managed to figure out in Scarface? So did everyone else who’s seen it. It’s not exactly subtle, which is one reason it’s such a terrible movie. Its primary attraction is that it’s money porn, drug porn, and violence porn. Like a lot of the music by rappers who like Scarface.

    Or maybe I’m wrong. Are there more Scarface references in hip hop about the important cautionary tale we have in this flawed character, or about big piles of yay?

  • Cuban Link

    Fuck u Bol.Scarface>>>________

  • Atl’s own

    scarface is fie!

    and tyler perry ish be funny!

    i don’t read the so called “getto life” books or any other “so called fine literature” for that matter now-a-days.

    mainly cause i’m and engineer and reading about any thing other Science and Math is just boring; i’ll save that shit 4 u liberal arts majors.

    “today’s best-selling rap music is popular primarily among poor black people in the rural south?”

    that’s a pretty bold lie, if popularity is judged by sound-scan then u better look at yours again!

    the best-selling rap music is popular in most major metropolitian areas(NY,NO,ATl,LA,STL,Chi,Hou,MIA,Detr,DC); not rural ones (the middle of dakota, Hot Coffee, MS, northern places in NY state, and places most city dwellers never heard of.)

  • thecollinb

    Dr Flav,
    i understand what you’re saying but i’m sure you understand “glistening generalities”….these blogs arent necessarily gonna be up to par with a doctoral thesis but they do provide a somewhat realistic insight into the culture reading these types of editorials
    maybe other races do love scarface as much as the hip hop generation does, they just may not be as quick to place a picture of the fictionalized charachter on the wall next to their mother inside the congac snifter, ya dig?

  • Cuban Link

    R.I.P. Brad Delp, afro and all.

  • http://dahspot.blogspot.com Belize

    >Here’s the thing: Scarface is an awful, awful film. …., I’m still at a loss for what you ‘bags see in it.

    ^YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH!

  • derfla the hus’la

    scare face has a moral but people look pass that all they want is the power, money and the girls without respect…

  • Dr Flav

    I notice that the censors are at work now due to the delay of posting replys. XXL hires blogger Billy Sunday, who is reckless enough to make critical statements, without points of reference and when he is corrected with facts, he deletes the conflicting reply and allows responses that are generally in agreement with his own. Sunday or BS also claims to promote regional unity for the sake of hip hop’s peril but the dialog is one sided with no room for debate.

  • che

    bol how can you attack scarface for its ignorance when you so deliberately show so many levels of ignorance yourself?

    >According to the world renown comments section here at XXL.

    Its ‘renowned’ bol. say it with me now, renowned. good. tomorrow we’ll take a look at the alphabet.

  • Dr Flav

    “Freedom Of Speech, but watch what you say.” Tracy Marrow. Better yet XXL moderators will watch what you say for you.

  • http://xxlmag.com Bol

    >This site and some of the ideas communicated in these blogs are becoming irresponsibly out of hand. blah blah blah

    Is there really a difference between basing an argument on the Willie Lynch speech and basing an argument on the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, other than that one is generally viewed as PC?

    I’m just saying…

  • Meka Soul

    at least i’m not the only one who thinks scarface stunk to high hell.

    >Examples include the likes of ghetto lit novels by Zane…>

    since when was the sisters of apf: the indoctrination of soror ride dick classified as “literature?” that’s about as legitimate as a women’s empowerment course taught by superhead.

  • Dr Flav

    thecollinb, in some aspects perhaps, but most of the time I read stereotypes and generalizations so severe, you would think the Grand Dragon is the author. How can a writer living in a 6×9 apartment on the northeast coast tell me the business on whats going on with the culture of my region and the only exposure they may have had is Freaknic, Black Bike Week or Spring Bling?

  • E AKA THE REAL NORIEAGA

    Scarface is one of the greatest movies ever. Nice post though, the T.I’s that run companies are going to do whatever improves their bottom line its up to the people to decide what they will buy or not.

  • http://biochemicalslang.blogspot.com vik

    yo bol –
    maybe those dress-black-men-up-as-women days are over…..have you peeped the travolta-as-a-chick previews of hairspray?

    yeah, it’s emasculating. but dude’s gettin paid.
    http://biochemicalslang.blogspot.com/2007/03/it-depends-on-what-meaning-of-word.html

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    Bol you remind me of an ignorant self-absorbed dickhead klansmen…you really have no clue…the sad part is that you think you have it figured out…well I’m here to tell you that you don’t know shit about shit…all you know is what the white man told you…that’s it…you, just like these other white people who post on here, don’t reserve the right to speak on something you know nothing about…Bol the bottom line is that you can’t relate because you did not participate…I hear this BullShit about the south is dumb, slow, stupid, etc…I’m sure you should know not to speak on things you know nothing about (like black people)…otherwise you make yourself look stupid in the end…

  • Merih

    I never liked Scarface. I mean its straight, I’m not gonna watch it again though. The only thing good about it is Pacinos acting.

  • Dr Flav

    One thing about Bol, he will allow you to speak your mind even throw scathing insults, but he is not a sensitive, emotional, coward, (BILLY SUNDAY) who deletes replies because he lacks the intellectual acumen to make counterpoints.

  • Were Read 2 Def

    DJ N-Cred is smokin that southcrak again.

  • Were Read 2 Def

    People like Scarface cuz of the character Al Pacino plays. Its all bout bein a gangsta.

  • lilwaynesboo

    man have you even read zane books they are really good. And she uses proper english. Yea she talks about sex, but thats life so its not really bad, never saw scarface. And how can u diss tyler perry when hes putting black people in good light instead of making us look ignorant or thiefs or drugdealers, like so many others do.

  • http://xxlmag.com Billy X. Sunday

    Brad Delp = Jewfro
    http://www.thirdstage.ca/boston/graphics/gfx/delp_muchmusic.jpg

    Dr. Flav = asshat

    And that is why your comments won’t exist on my blog

  • lilwaynesboo

    and why are you always hating on black people? Im starting to think you are white. You like white girls, never talk badly about white people, and always writing about the white rapper show. So are you some whiteman hiding behind the compter? You didnt even write about martin luther king on his b-day. You never put black people in a positive light. Thats how i know your not black.

  • Dr Flav

    The Elders Of Zion did not write a formulated plot to keep the descendants of ex slaves mentally controlled, or at least one specifically written that I know of.

  • mista23

    BOL PLEASE TELL ME YOU’LL PICK THIS UP AND WRITE ABOUT IT! The new video game “Def Jam: Icon”(which is bullshit anyways) besides the fact that “We Fly High” is featured on the Jay-Z owned label Def Jam’s game, has a ridunkulous double standard in it. They decide to edit out one of E-40′s verses from “Tell Me Where to Go” where he mentions something about Jews:
    “imagine all the Hebrews goin’ dumb/dancing on top of chariots and turning tight ones.”
    cutting out the word Hebrews but they drop n-bombs all over the place! What type of bullshit double standard is that? Please Bol do this justice, defend your people from being attacked by Jews (no Scott Storch diss to Timberland) If you need more info check sites like:
    ign.com
    gamespot.com

  • Eman

    Why does it always have to be black and white everything white people have access to black people have access to and vice versa. If you dont like something then dont watch it or buy it then they will stop showing it but trust me flavor of love and scarface are not being marketed to blacks only. I feel the same way you do about shit accept when their is garbage on tv like the white rapper show which you rushed to your computer to write about after every show I dont watch it. You dog flavor of love but was obsessed with the white rapper show? they both sucked so If you dont like what on then watch the history channel cause last i remeber tv was entertainment to a report for humanities class.

  • http://www.ohword.com Sach

    I fully endorse this post.

  • Jedimonk

    >>This is especially bothersome to me because you would never see this happen in the majority popular culture.

  • Eman

    Not a report for humanities class

  • NoMamesBuey

    Bol, we’re used to your biting of mAnn Coulter’s steez (no George W Bush promising to Ariel Sharon that he would bufu Osama Bin Laden, aka nhjic) when disparaging arabs or Mexican-Americans.

    But now you’re over-broad in race-slandering ALL blacks, just because SOME black dorks enjoy D4L or Eddie Murphy as a fat woman movies? Hence

    Bol = “self-hating black”.

    I hate to “Schiavo” or “ether” you like this, but I gotta call it how it is.

    American pop culture in general elevates crap over quality, independent of race. The “TI” corporate “deciders” just want to make something “safe” that has been done before & is easy/cheap to make & market, and will have a predictable demand from a large portion of the American public which is “LCD”. Examples in order of decreasing sales yet increasing quality

    1 reality TV > Sopranos > The Wire
    2 WWF “wrestling” or Nascar > ATP tennis
    3 Spiderman 4 (eg comic book movie remake #74) > independently made critically acclaimed movie
    4 Gossip magazines like “Us” > news magazines like “US News & World Report” (the reason why in any grocery or general store waiting in line sucks)

  • http://Yahoo.com Bol is Right!

    Theory: Bol is a white man. they picture of thst black man up top is a front to say the least……He dosent really what to show his true race, cred, identity or what have you……The black man in the picture is probably a friend of his or some sort…..he only hides his race because all the black bloggers would say he is irrelevent to the black culture, in which he mostly writes about.
    Love the post though!

  • http://Yahoo.com Bol is Right!

    Bloggers and sisters, I am here to tell you that I charge the white man. I charge the white man with being the greatest murderer on earth. I charge the white man with being the greatest kidnapper on earth. There is no place in this world that this man can go and say he created peace and harmony. Everywhere he’s gone he’s created havoc. Everywhere he’s gone he’s created destruction. So I charge him. I charge him with being the greates kidnapper on this earth! I charge him with being the greatest murderer on this earth! I charge him with being the greatest robber and enslaver on this earth! I charge the white man with being the greatest swine-eater on this earth. The greatest drunkard on this earth! He can’t deny the charges! You can’t deny the charges! We’re the living proof *of* those charges! You and I are the proof. You’re not an American, you are the victim of America. You didn’t have a choice coming over here. He didn’t say, “Black man, black woman, come on over and help me build America”. He said, “Nigger, get down in the bottom of that boat and I’m taking you over there to help me build America”. Being born here does not make you an American. I am not an American, you are not an American. You are one of the 22 million black people who are the *victims* of America. You and I, we’ve never see nany democracy. We didn’t see any… democracy on the-the cotton fields of Georgia, wasn’t no democracy down there. We didn’t see any democracy. We didn’t see any democracy on the streets of Harlem or on the streets of Brooklyn or on the streets of Detroit or Chicago. Ain’t no democracy down there. No, we’ve never seem democracy! All we’ve seen is hypocrisy! We don’t see any American Dream. We’ve experienced only the American Nightmare!

  • http://www.xxlmag.com Bol is Right!

    Brothers and sisters, I am here to tell you that I charge the white man. I charge the white man with being the greatest murderer on earth. I charge the white man with being the greatest kidnapper on earth. There is no place in this world that this man can go and say he created peace and harmony. Everywhere he’s gone he’s created havoc. Everywhere he’s gone he’s created destruction. So I charge him. I charge him with being the greates kidnapper on this earth! I charge him with being the greatest murderer on this earth! I charge him with being the greatest robber and enslaver on this earth! I charge the white man with being the greatest swine-eater on this earth. The greatest drunkard on this earth! He can’t deny the charges! You can’t deny the charges! We’re the living proof *of* those charges! You and I are the proof. You’re not an American, you are the victim of America. You didn’t have a choice coming over here. He didn’t say, “Black man, black woman, come on over and help me build America”. He said, “Nigger, get down in the bottom of that boat and I’m taking you over there to help me build America”. Being born here does not make you an American. I am not an American, you are not an American. You are one of the 22 million black people who are the *victims* of America. You and I, we’ve never see nany democracy. We didn’t see any… democracy on the-the cotton fields of Georgia, wasn’t no democracy down there. We didn’t see any democracy. We didn’t see any democracy on the streets of Harlem or on the streets of Brooklyn or on the streets of Detroit or Chicago. Ain’t no democracy down there. No, we’ve never seem democracy! All we’ve seen is hypocrisy! We don’t see any American Dream. We’ve experienced only the American Nightmare!

  • http://Yahoo.com Right Right

    Theory: I am here to tell you that I charge the white man. I charge the white man with being the greatest murderer on earth. I charge the white man with being the greatest kidnapper on earth. There is no place in this world that this man can go and say he created peace and harmony. Everywhere he’s gone he’s created havoc. Everywhere he’s gone he’s created destruction. So I charge him. I charge him with being the greates kidnapper on this earth! I charge him with being the greatest murderer on this earth! I charge him with being the greatest robber and enslaver on this earth! I charge the white man with being the greatest swine-eater on this earth. The greatest drunkard on this earth! He can’t deny the charges! You can’t deny the charges! We’re the living proof *of* those charges! You and I are the proof. You’re not an American, you are the victim of America. You didn’t have a choice coming over here. He didn’t say, “Black man, black woman, come on over and help me build America”. He said, “Nigger, get down in the bottom of that boat and I’m taking you over there to help me build America”. Being born here does not make you an American. I am not an American, you are not an American. You are one of the 22 million black people who are the *victims* of America. You and I, we’ve never see nany democracy. We didn’t see any… democracy on the-the cotton fields of Georgia, wasn’t no democracy down there. We didn’t see any democracy. We didn’t see any democracy on the streets of Harlem or on the streets of Brooklyn or on the streets of Detroit or Chicago. Ain’t no democracy down there. No, we’ve never seem democracy! All we’ve seen is hypocrisy! We don’t see any American Dream. We’ve experienced only the American Nightmare!

  • http://yahoo.com billblackfish

    I say booo to BOL Hes not a street cat Im deep in the streets im the real

  • http://yahoo.com billblackfish

    Boo To BOL

  • http://www.sungmusic.blogspot.com cause I can’t relate to livin less than great

    Bol,

    I agree. Scarface is aweful, terrible, horrendous. The music is equally shitty and generic. The only reason it’s popular today is because of cocaine rap and Al Pacino’s minstrel-like Cuban accent. I mean, the movie’s got a coked out thug who desires his own sister, then murders his best friend because he’s jealous that the fool is hittin it?

  • Dr Flav

    Lol @ me not being able to access Sunday’s blog. “a coward dies a thousand deaths…”

  • Blakka

    For every choice that is made , there is an opposite and equal reaction to it. We (African Americans) choose to accept anything that the “MAN” gives us. All we are , to many , are cartoons, that drive our Bentley’s and floss our ice and pimp our “ho’s” just like the Blackman’s stereotype suggests. If a Blackman is not makin’ you laugh then his show is cancelled. If Blackman is not degrading our women and flossin’ pimpcups his records get no spins…WAKE UP Y’ALL. P.S. There are many intelligent artists from the South , Jim Jones ain’t gonna win an “Intelligence Award ” for that song Ballin’. Come On Now !!!

  • Whoa

    CUUURRRRRRTTTTTTTISSSSSSS!

  • Jones

    Bol is right about the whole black pop culture trend. The point is that the black people who follow and support these “trends”, like Scarface idolization and Flavor of Love and all that garbage, is because they don’t really know of anything better or don’t have the cognitive abilities to understand anything better. You could place some blame on the executives who push these trends and entertainment on that target group but ultimately the blame should be on those who are supporting these trends. The rappers who make garbage drug/ghetto/street-life rap that promotes negative thoughts and glorifies being common criminals with no morals ought to be looked down upon and not given praise for what they do. People who buy and support those awful low-life trends should examine themselves and question why they are doing so. People have lost the ability to think critically and that is an extremely important quality in discerning what might be a good or bad decision, a good or bad trend, whether 8Ball and MJG are intelligent, constructive artists of words or low-brow dope dealing cretins (trust me its the latter).

    “These soliloquies explain our people’s lack of stability
    You keepin it real, but ain’t got a clue what reality really be
    See the diameter of your knowledge
    Is the circumference of your activity”
    - Ras Kass, Soul On Ice

  • http://xxlmag.com Bol

    >Its ‘renowned’ bol. say it with me now, renowned. good. tomorrow we’ll take a look at the alphabet.

    Even the best fall down sometimes.

  • Cuban Link

    Bol is Right! Says:

    March 12th, 2007 at 5:21 pm
    Brothers and sisters, I am here to tell you that I charge the white man. I charge the white man with being the greatest murderer on earth. I charge the white man with being the greatest kidnapper on earth. There is no place in this world that this man can go and say he created peace and harmony. Everywhere he’s gone he’s created havoc. Everywhere he’s gone he’s created destruction. So I charge him. I charge him with being the greates kidnapper on this earth! I charge him with being the greatest murderer on this earth! I charge him with being the greatest robber and enslaver on this earth! I charge the white man with being the greatest swine-eater on this earth. The greatest drunkard on this earth! He can’t deny the charges! You can’t deny the charges! We’re the living proof *of* those charges! You and I are the proof. You’re not an American, you are the victim of America. You didn’t have a choice coming over here. He didn’t say, “Black man, black woman, come on over and help me build America”. He said, “Nigger, get down in the bottom of that boat and I’m taking you over there to help me build America”. Being born here does not make you an American. I am not an American, you are not an American. You are one of the 22 million black people who are the *victims* of America. You and I, we’ve never see nany democracy. We didn’t see any… democracy on the-the cotton fields of Georgia, wasn’t no democracy down there. We didn’t see any democracy. We didn’t see any democracy on the streets of Harlem or on the streets of Brooklyn or on the streets of Detroit or Chicago. Ain’t no democracy down there. No, we’ve never seem democracy! All we’ve seen is hypocrisy! We don’t see any American Dream. We’ve experienced only the American Nightmare!

    ^^WHITE MAN IS THE DEVIL!!!

  • Cuban Link

    1 reality TV > Sopranos > The Wire
    2 WWF “wrestling” or Nascar > ATP tennis
    3 Spiderman 4 (eg comic book movie remake #74) > independently made critically acclaimed movie
    4 Gossip magazines like “Us” > news magazines like “US News & World Report” (the reason why in any grocery or general store waiting in line sucks)

    ^^The Wire>>>any show ever.EZZZ.I didnt read anything else u said tho so w/e

  • http://xxlmag.com Bol

    >The Elders Of Zion did not write a formulated plot to keep the descendants of ex slaves mentally controlled, or at least one specifically written that I know of.

    Yeah, but neither did Willie Lynch.

  • http://xxlmag.com Bol

    >You didnt even write about martin luther king on his b-day.

    My bad.

  • Dr Flav

    http://www.northtulsa.com/willielyn.htm And as far as Jelani Cobb’s Theory of it being an internet hoax, this was included in minister Farakhan’s first Million Man March speech.

  • Dr Flav

    or better yet http://www.thetalkingdrum/wil.html Bol you cannot deny if not Willie Lynch, Some cracka ass cracka wrote this and its design can be seen within our current social psyche.

  • Moe Real

    Bol you got a car? That’s so cool.

  • NoMamesBuey

    Cuban, you read my comment wrong. I’m showing examples of how wack LCD shiz (reality tv) makes more sales > than quality stuff like “The Wire”.

    And hence Bol’s statement is self-racist, saying black pop culture has this problem, instead of American pop culture in general

    Read WTF I said carefully LOL. Oh yeah & the Wire is perhaps the GOAT TV show.

  • http://justsayin2000.blogspot.com GentleWhoadie9000

    Don’t you think mugs like Scarface because it’s the ultimate glorification of the do-for-self mentality?

    (But make sure to ignore the “dying in a hail of gunfire with a yay mustache” part)

  • Meka Soul

    brad delp = mick foley?

  • Da 1 In Charge

    I remember watching Scarface right around the same time I was getting heavy into hiphop. That shit went hand in hand. When ‘Face went to the columbian like, “Ju got the stuff” all I can remember is sayin “THATS GANGSTA”. Whatever tho, critics may have been analyzing deeper then the audience who actually appreciates the movie.

  • John Cochran

    THEY WANT TO KEEP US IGNORANT. YOU DIDN’T GET THE MEMO.

  • eauhellzgnaw

    It’s funny cause it’s true.

    It’s clear that most people in genral prefer shitty entertainment and mass culture must tend toward the LCD.

    It’s also clear that there is a smaller range of acceptable images/narratives for mainstream black artists. Basically, white people are allowed to have a few dozen cliches; black people are allowed maybe 5 or 6.

    It’s not cause racist execs wanna “keep us ignorant.” They’ve been conditioned to think that the only black garbage will sell, and quite frankly they’re right. The only “black” movies that clean up at the box office are Martin/Ed Murph/Tyler Perry crossdressing mammy flicks (displacing the black thug flick); the only black music that sells is coon/thug rap, greasy R and B, or bland gospel.

    At some point, you have to stop blaming the execs and face the fact that not only do mass audiences have horrible taste in music, film, lit, and theatre, they don’t want to see intelligent, nuanced representations of black people. That goes for black fans, white fans, and everybody else.

    The class thing is more somplicated. Obviously not all poor people are uncultured, but if you don’t think that poverty limits people’s exposure to various forms of culture, then you haven’t spent much time around poor people.

  • ty from linden blvd

    # Cee Says:
    March 12th, 2007 at 2:45 pm

    The people running these companies are racist. For instance, how much music would be released if you heard a lot of negative words directed toward the whites (i.e. kill the cracker). If these same artists wrote lines that said to kill crackers. I bet you that material would not see the light of day. It is a hidden agenda to assist in the destroying of blacks in this country. It ain’t just them, it is us too because we support this stuff.

    u must not have heard ice cube’s 1st 2-3 albums!!!

    cube was giving it to whitey something awful.and he sold some records too.

  • ty from linden blvd

    # Dr Flav Says:
    March 12th, 2007 at 3:26 pm

    I notice that the censors are at work now due to the delay of posting replys. XXL hires blogger Billy Sunday, who is reckless enough to make critical statements, without points of reference and when he is corrected with facts, he deletes the conflicting reply and allows responses that are generally in agreement with his own. Sunday or BS also claims to promote regional unity for the sake of hip hop’s peril but the dialog is one sided with no room for debate.

    yeah that billy sunday guy is real queer and emotional.

    he’s almost as bad as dj drama was.

  • jacquez
  • thatwhitedude

    you do realize that all this minstrel/retarded entertainment made by and containing black individuals is not only watched by retarded blacks who “don’t know any better” (

  • thatwhitedude

    WTF??? my whole post got cut off???

  • Bol AKA self Hating NIgga

    it seems like the corporations that run popular culture are much more reticent to support anything other than lowest common denominator when it comes to our shit.
    our shit thats wre you lost me bol. Your not a part of this culture I read your blogs with the same grain of salt that I use when I read a article on rap in rolling stone. You dont understand so you dont get it. So you diss it and then you say our shit. Fuck you. You never where and never will be apart of this culture. You cant understand it. Its like HOv said on that mixtape the language is so foreign to you/ thats what starvin wil do to ya/ growin up har in a little apartment will do to ya

  • mikey t

    no offence, but ‘scarface’ sucks balls. i mean, it was ok when i was like 14. but, you got to grow up sometime. p deedle dandy was talking about it’s a inspirational movie? yeah, ok… be a killer, kill more people, get a wife that hates you, kill your best friend, develop a monsterous cocaine habit. get killed. wow, p was right. the world is yours. thats exactly what i want to be…

  • yoprince

    great post.. scarface is overhyped, nowhere near as good as Goodfellas, tho it has its moments..

  • kingme

    Damn Bol! I guess black people can’t sit back and enjoy themselves hunh? Did it ever dawn on you that some of those “ghetto books & Movies” are just more entertaining. Black people go through alot everyday and sometimes we want to just put one up in the air and watch something fun. If you don’t get Scarface like all of the white critics, then thats cool it wasn’t for you. But alot of black people know where Scarface is comiong from because Crackers look at us as the badguy just like they did Scarface. So to see Scarface go to the top was inspiring. Scarface in the movie went to the top of the drug game, some mcs want to get to the top of the rap game, I want to get to the top of my profession, and I’m sure you want to get to the top of yours. Thats what made Scarface hot. And thats why successful young black people who are on cribs put that DVD up, cuz they made it from the bottom just like Scarface. U people black/white what have you from the suburbs (suburbanites) never seen the very bottom so you probably wouldn’t understand. And if these Black Authors who are complaining about “ghetto lit” are so damn dope, why aren’t “intelligent white people” buying their books? How come no mexicans, asains, or anyone else is buying their books? Because they just aren’t that good.

  • ROXONE

    Eh, I know a lot of people who saw The Color Purple recently (albeit probably mainly because Oprah presents it)

    While I personally didn’t like the book, I’m sure it is more culturally signifigant than a lot of other plays out there.

    And there are plenty of white people who think reading is “gay” -it’s not just a black phenomenon.

    And I liked Scarface just fine. it certainly wasn’t “The Godfather” but then again, it was much better than say “The Wash.”

  • mista b

    bol its called what sells is whats gonna be available the quickest
    tyler perry has killed the black reality with that nonsence but it sells it is what it is

    check for my boy esham the unholy at acid rap.com
    he was responsible for eminems style
    check his extensive catalog just want to quote from probably the hardest line ever on record
    i im gettin crusified in the public eye a nigga died come and meet the killer inside on a murder ride i wanna pop piggity pop until they all fall my style gets ugly like that muthafucka biggie smalls

  • ChrisMaestro

    Good post Bol…Hip Hop’s obsession with Scarface has intrigued me for quite some time. I don’t remember Scarface being as popular in the early 90′s. It was just a B-movie. The resurgence in its popularity goes hand in hand with the “gangsterfication” of Hip Hop. The movie and its overt themes (drugs, hustling, violence, guns, etc…) reflect the popular themes in Hip Hop post Cuban Links and Ready to Die. (and vice-versa)
    America, in general, promotes the dumbed-down shit (books, movies, TV, etc…), however it seems that poor folks of color are “ride or die” for the dumb shit. I guess it just reflects where we are at in 2007. (Plenty of folks are turning over in their graves.)

  • Doo Doo Man

    this is complete nonsense. Scarface is not considered good because of its artistic merit. it’s considered good because of its cult classic status. i.e like repo man. at the time of release, scarface had an x rating. but because when viewed it was so ridiculously over the top and spawned the MIAMI VICE age, it was accepted by the masses for what it was; the start of a genre. As for Tyler Perry, people are only hating because of his economical success.But you cant say quality is not available. In the music world, hundreds of albums are released yearly that are infinitely better than their, successful counterparts. But they are still available. Books are the same. Go to the library, if you want to read it, you shall find it.

  • http://www.myspace.com/meanassmo Marvelous Mo

    i could never get into the ghetto novels. just seems way to ignorant to digest.

    scarface is straight basura. no matter how many want to justify the film with the morals they learned from it, it will always be basura.

    cause I can’t relate to livin less than great Says:

    March 12th, 2007 at 6:14 pm
    Bol,

    I agree. Scarface is aweful, terrible, horrendous. The music is equally shitty and generic. The only reason it’s popular today is because of cocaine rap and Al Pacino’s minstrel-like Cuban accent. I mean, the movie’s got a coked out thug who desires his own sister, then murders his best friend because he’s jealous that the fool is hittin it?

    ^^^^
    couldnt have said it better.

  • http://www.myspace.com/meanassmo Marvelous Mo

    Bol,
    “Is it any wonder, for example, that so much of today’s best-selling rap music is popular primarily among poor black people in the rural south?”

    I’m not trying to throw the south under the bus, but the music does seem kind of…..ignorant. it doesnt mean poor folks in the south are simple minded.

    hip hop fell off……..

  • EReal

    I like violent books and movies about the street. I dont like them because Im told or because other people do, I just like them.
    Maybe there are those people that are being force fed, but how come everything is ‘marketed to us’ and were ‘made to like’ certin things? Maybe theres just a buncha sick violent fuckers like me out there that enjoy those forms of books and movies?

    Just to play Devil Advocate ya know?

    1 hunned.

  • http://www.natturnersrevenge.blogspot.com Chris Chambers

    Just highlighted your piece on my own blog.Amen.

    The majority has the luxury of numbers and cash and outlook. True, they have room for both Nickleback and Britney Spears, but as I said on my blog, every time the President is on TV, Toby Keith cuts a new dumbass country song, or a new episode of My Super Sweet Sixteen airs on MTV, tell me the majority culture ain’t just as fucked up…

  • http://www.natturnersrevenge.blogspot.com Chris Chambers

    PS–I love Scarface

    PPS–Sgt. Watters in A Soldiers Story was right to frame TJ and get him to off himself. What did he say about “Southern niggahs?” Just kidding, but we seem to be shading into that territory and we need to be clear about the groundrules of the deabte before folk start swinging (or shooting).

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  • Asshole

    Is this a joke? Elders of Zion? Are we really referencing a group and a document that has time and time again been proven to be a hoax? Man, some real geniuses post here.

  • NIKE

    Scarface was not a half-bad film for what it was. The sad thing is that many of these rappers and kids can’t differenatiate the entertainment that was Scarface from the reality of life. They actually look up to Tony Montana.
    Imagine a white kid looking up to Hannibal Lecter…..black people really love detroying themselves.Shame, Shame!!!

  • Kevin

    yeah, prob shoulda compared nickleback to radiohead or someshit. im white, and in college and not that many listen to arcade fire sadly.

  • http://myspace.com/troycarra Rah

    Good post my dude.

    But, there’s a big ass difference between Sister Souljah and Zane. Sister Souljah’s books and/or stories have a point and teaches a lesson. Zane’s books are trash because all she talks about is pointless shit and sex (especially) and it only entertains hood rats. And the rest of these trashy, ghetto ass books like “True To The Game” and “No Way Out” are trying to follow Sister Souljah’s path. Souljah should not mentioned in the same category as Zane or those other untalented black authors.

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  • Kevin

    apparently i was wrong, neon bible no 2 in the country behind biggie

  • blackbetty

    On point in every aspect.

  • http://www.lolagetslife.blogspot.com lola gets

    Look, the “Chitlin Circut” has been around for hundreds of years – it would be insanity to think things would be any different now. There is one huge difference, however, and that is our increased ability to access information. What with cable television and the Internet, people have the power to learn about things other than the “Chitlin Norm.” They just have to be receptive to it.
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