The CLIPSE are the Indianapolis Colts of the rap game.

Here’s why Pusha and Malice can’t win the big one just like Peyton
Manning.  The internets number one rap band the Clipse aren’t built to
go big time.  Like most of the projects that come from the Neptunes
camp the Clipse are too gimmicky to last longer than fifteen minutes
in the collective consciousness of today’s rap fans.  The Colts are a
gimmicky NFL team as well.  Football fans shout the name Peyton
Manning the same way the clipsters on the world wide web ballyhoo the
Clipse.

What happens to the Colts when the chips are on the line?  The same
thing is what happened to the Clipse when their last album was
released.  Everybody from the closet supremacist at the Village Voice
to the well respected and equally despised Byron Crawford was saying
that this album wasn’t like all the other Clipse crap that was
floating around the place.  I give the Clipse credit for having a
great work ethic although I’m tired of hearing them blame Jive for
their problems.  It’s not Jive’s fault if you choke and go wood in the
final minutes of the fourth quarter.  Maybe the Clipse’s offense
wasn’t all that to begin with.

Crack rap seems to be the style of the rap genre that most internets
critics masturbate over.  I think that’s because it allows them to
live their ghetto safari fantasies from the safety of their iPod
headphones.  They can imagine themselves to be urban explorers as if
that is the act of really engaging people on their own terms.  The
process doesn’t actually work and clipster fans know less about ghetto
dwellers the more they listen to Pusha and Malice.  My problem with the
Clipse crack rap is that whether it’s real or imagined, crack causes
people to fiend.  Where’s the line of fiends waiting to hear the
Clipse music?

The Clipse have about four really good songs in their catalog.  I mean
that kind of shit that just bumps in your truck on some thoroughbred
hardbody type shit.  Everything else just sounds wack and overproduced
in the studio.  The Clipse might want to consider finding a better
camp than the Neptunes in order to get some gritty, grimey music to
back their lyrics.  The Neptunes quirky pop rythyms are effing up the
Clipse steez.  I like the Neptunes and shit, and the work they did on
Philly’s Most Wanted was slept on by most cats out there.

Maybe I’ve got it all wrong.  Maybe the Indianapolis Colts finally win
the big game this weekend.  Maybe the Colts finally shake off their
yoke of frustration and also ran status.  Maybe Peyton Manning finally
steps up and stops being a bum with an oversized cranium.  If that
ends up being the case I still don’t predict any greater success for
the Clipse.  They would just become the New Orleans Saints of the rap
game.

  • Bama Smacker

    they 2 OLD malice is 34 and pusha is 29. i though they were in there 20s but damn it bascially ova 4 malice pusha iz still a lil young

  • thoreauly77

    dayum! the saints of the rap game? sorry n-cred!

  • Bama Smacker

    2 OLD malice is 34 pusha is 29 it ova fo malice pusha still got it

  • New york nigga

    U THINK U HARD CAUSE U WERE IN PRISON! HUH?

  • http://www.myspace.com/thaanswermikeyd Dip Set City

    Hatin’ on the Saints man? Fuck all that

  • http://brandonsoderberg.blogspot.com brandonsoderberg

    Whatever This Guy’s Name Is said…
    >>Crack rap seems to be the style of the rap genre that most internets
    critics masturbate over. I think that’s because it allows them to
    live their ghetto safari fantasies from the safety of their iPod
    headphones.>>

    Yawn…how many people have already said this? You’re the new guy in town, think of SOMETHING original to say…plus, people, but especially critics, like Clipse because they made a consistent album, which is something very few rappers do. They’ve definetley courted critical praise so don’t blame critics for biting Clipese’s bait…

  • hellnaw so the govment can find me

    clipse is real… nuff said..bad language..don’t give fuck..bad grammer..don’t give fuck..clipse is the shit..but you are entitled to your opinion..keep doin what you be doin..holla at a playa!!!

  • 911

    Keep “grindin” n/h….don’t go after numbers though….listen to the commenters and don’t….oxymoron…but you get it….one.

  • Opok

    Damn, You were the last person I expected to naively equate Soundscan with Success as it equates to Hip-Hop. Respect has definitely been lost with this article.

  • traebizzo

    The clipse got more than four bangers check the street classic The Funeral and lord willin. But i agree with new production.P’s tracks gettin lazy like the one on philly’s most wanted.

  • luvy

    pusha and malice do need some other producers bcuz listening to the same type of beats is boring. i bought they cd wasnt no xxl

  • OKPLAYER HATER

    I just don’t understand why rap “artist” are so caught up on drug culture? Take the drugs you dumbfucks and make amazing art, not sell them and end up with 15-20 years in homo-penatentries.

  • http://myspace/notorious notoriousekb

    pusha t is nice nigga you buggin

  • john cochran

    I agree with you one the beats thing. The whole spaced out thing with them doesn’t always work. I think the beats sound lazy cause Chad wasn’t involved, just compare the first one to this one. I predict that if they finally branch off from the neptunes but still keep the same formula they will win. I must admit though, the wierd beats make them different from all the other coke rappers out there, that’s why hipsters gravitate towards them.

  • Evan

    when will people realize that age doesn’t matter… ghostface is like 36 and he put out one of the best albums of the year. raekwon is just as old and cuban linx 2 is gonna be a classic. dr dre is 42 and detox will be great… moral of the story is i dont care if you’re 50, if u put out dope music, that’s all that matters

  • http://www.dallaspenn.com Billy X. Sunday

    Cocaine rhymes + no fiends = coke rap frauds.

    Until they get arrested for trafficking instead of getting traffic tickets I will have to keep it moving.

  • eauhellzgnaw

    1.) Brandon, Many people have said it because it’s true. Every so often, the (white) indie rock press choses a token “ghetto” rap act to push to show how with it and tolerant they are, then ignores the group after a year or so. It’s basically the typical pitchfork approach to music, with a little insecurity about race and genre thrown in. This wasn’t even the point of the post. Somebody’s a little defensive.

    2.) Dallas, can’t roll with you on the analogy though, only because popularity and marketability have little to do with skill. The Colts choke cause of Manning and the D; the Clipse flopped cause internet hype does not lead to record sales and because young rap fans prefer coon-ish dance songs and monosyllabic rap by teenagers and people pretending to be teenagers.

    3.) The Neptunes are hit or miss, but the Clipse sound at home over the Neptunes’ dark shit, but horrible over their light, poppy shit. The Clipse would be great over focused, dirty RZA production.

    4.) I also hate Manning and his Tweety Bird dome.

  • http://brandonsoderberg.blogspot.com brandonsoderberg

    eauhellzgnaw-
    Thanks for the response. Yeah, you’re right about me being defensive but I do feel like this Clipse criticism is pretty played-out. And yeah, it wasn’t the point of the post but I’m from Baltimore so I’m too stupidly bitter to even think about the Colts…

    However, the criticism of Clipse is the go-to response when any “overrated” rap act breaks into the mainstream or semi-mainstream for any reason. You know? If the press doesn’t pay attention to rap there are complaints that rap is ignored, when the press does pay attention, they are “urban explorers”. It’s a hopeless and simplistically cynical approach. Not to mention, the press has all fallen in-love with Lupe Fiasco recently and in the past few years, Kanye West, Outkast, TI, Jay-Z, not all of those guys are “ghetto” acts, whatever that even means.

    And yeah I was harsh, but I mean it: Who the hell is this Billy Sunday? I assume this is some kind-of tryout, you’d think he’d be bringing his A-Game to this shit. I say it ready to accept all criticism, but I think I work harder on my posts that like, at the most, 7 people read than Mr. Sunday seems to be working. I could give you a list of plenty of others doing it too.

  • eauhellzgnaw

    Point taken Brandon.

    But the Outkast/Kanye (even Jay Z and Eminem) backlash is not the same as the Clipse/Ghostface treatment.

    You definitely need to check out dallaspenn.com. The XXL posts are cool, but they don’t really do him justice.

  • twerkolator

    “they 2 OLD malice is 34 and pusha is 29. i though they were in there 20s but damn it bascially ova 4 malice pusha iz still a lil young”

    you sound retarded. if you fucked with the clipse when you thought they were in their 20s it shouldn’t matter what their actual ages are…

    co-sign evan.

  • mannyworld33

    CAN YOU PLEASE STOP WITH THE RAP/ SPORTS COMPARISONS CAUSE THEY HAVEN’T BEEN ON POINT YET! YOU 0 FER’ 2!

    FOR THE RECORD, THE CLIPSE ARE HOT AND THEY COULD BENEFIT FROM SUM JUST BLAZE OR SUM SWIZZ BEATS.

  • Were Read 2 Def

    >the Clipse are too gimmicky

    ^^^U r out of your fuckin mind, duke.

  • http://myspace/notorious notoriousekb

    pusha is nice and really that is all that matters to me .

  • Cashus Clay

    To each is own but to me the brother Thortons are Beasts on the mic maybe if they had jeezys beat they would garner sum Luv

  • Were Read 2 Def

    How can you say the Clipse don’t have fiends? No one pays for CD’s anymore. You would have to see how many people downloaded HHNF.

  • http://whocareswhatpeoplethink thecollinb

    if anything they’re the Tony Dungy of hip hop, never getting the credit they deserve but somehow changing the way the game is played season by season. Not quite the “champions” they should be but even the best know that they’re more than capable of handing them their asses *yes Patriots*
    beef with the production cause the artist have proven themselves already
    come on sunday, you’re really swingin at air in here man….this topic would’ve been relevant in november.

  • http://whocareswhatpeoplethink thecollinb

    ….or did you miss Got it for Cheap Vol 2?

  • Citystars323

    yo are u kiddin me HHNF is seriously a classic it was better than games cd lyrically and musically and for anybody 2 say that chad wasnt in the studio with pharrell is a retard the neptunes did the whole project do u know how many instruments they use they use fuckin acordians in there music tell me what other rap producers use accordians and the clipse wanted those dark eary beats and they fit perfectly wit the rhymes that they spit man im a start callin this xxl blog hater blog cause thats all people do unless its weezy & dipset

  • EReal

    Im probably gonna get crucified for this shit but, Id like to see clipse on G-unit. With some production like the grimy ass “homicide” on Yayo’s cd or some grimy Havoc beats or EM beats would be sick.
    They would definatly benifit from an executive production change. To me thats where they are falling short. I dont think P is putting everything he should behind Clipse, and there was like zero marketing from what I could see.
    I know they always bitch about their Label issues, but IMO they would seriously benifit from going to a camp where they’re gonna get what they deserve as far as beats, ex prod., and marketing.

    1 hunned.

  • http://brandonsoderberg.blogspot.com brandonsoderberg

    eauhellzgnaw-
    Once again, thanks for the response. I ask this sincerely: What exactly is the difference between celebration of Jay-Z etc. and Clipse/Ghost?

    I feel as though Clipse/Ghost are being celebrated because they are (to ‘New Yorker’ readers or something) hyper-articulate, pseudo-literary rappers, something a lot of critics aren’t exposed to because their rap information comes from a limited place. Also, Clipse/Ghost are slightly below the radar. It just to me, doesn’t feel that different from mainstream and semi-mainstream publications falling in love with Joanna Newsome or TV on the Radio etc. etc. If these guys were looking for “ghetto” realities, there are significantly more “ghetto” rappers to celebrate (mind the quotations, PLEASE)…

  • LONZO

    Fuk all that. Clipse are better lyrically than 95% of rappers today, they just need better production cuz the neptunes don’t fit their style all that much. Crack rap??? Get the fuk outa here with that shit, Sales aside, Clipse will rap circles around these rap niggas, quit fukin hatin Bol number 2.

  • http://whocareswhatpeoplethink thecollinb

    Soderberg
    i can only speak for myself saying this but as far as music as entertainment on a level where i feel like i’m not dumbing myself down i dont feel like there are better artist than clipse or ghostface (2 cd’s that have stayed in my car since their respective purchase dates)….i like other rap albums as well but the way in which they convey their “message” appeals to me the most
    it’s like….i can here Jo Pistols rap about slaning and coppin and fuckin hoes that wear La Perla drawls but when you hear a “Keys Open Doors” or “Kilo” it just feels more mature to my ears (if that makes sense)
    but on another level completely i’m sure even you cant argue that Ghostface’s reign is Supreme as far as song concepts are concerned….and i think that can only come with age and wisdom.

  • LONZO

    Seriously if this is the stupid shit ur gonna be writin about on this blog, xxl better get someone else. This is what’s wrong with hip hop, niggas with skills like the clipse arent sellin, while fake no skill rappers like gunit, youn joc, jibbs, lil boosie or watevr the fuk their names are, are sellin more cds than niggas with skills.

  • M

    this doesn’t really make any sense.

  • Billy X. Sunday

    Word ‘em up on the ultimate.

    Nobody better not say shit sideways about my nigga Ghostface.

  • E AKA THE REAL NORIEAGA

    The Clipse are lyrical monsters. Pusha and Malice consistently spit quotables. The main problem is the Neptunes are too inconsistent they don’t know if they want to make pop or gritty musci. The Clipse would benefit from beats from DJ MUGGS, HAVOC, NEEDLEZ, or MIKE DEAN

    Props on acknowledging Phillys Most Wanted

    Hipsters must be destroyed though

  • http://brandonsoderberg.blogspot.com brandonsoderberg

    thecollinb-
    I’m actually a big fan of Clipse and Ghostface, for the same reasons I like a lot of artists not celebrated by Pitchfork or wherever else (I should admit though, my Pitchfork hate isn’t as deep as many others in these parts…) but I was just being real about Clipse. The album is great and really smart and I love every beat even the goofy ones like ‘Trill’. I was just being diplomatic, I think the reason so-called “white hipsters” like Ghost or Clipse is the some of the same reasons I (and you too) like them: they’re way better than most rappers out right now.

  • EReal

    LONZO Says:

    January 30th, 2007 at 12:48 pm
    Seriously if this is the stupid shit ur gonna be writin about on this blog, xxl better get someone else. This is what’s wrong with hip hop, niggas with skills like the clipse arent sellin, while fake no skill rappers like gunit, youn joc, jibbs, lil boosie or watevr the fuk their names are, are sellin more cds than niggas with skills.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Firstly, let me say that this is my dude Billy’s blog (no deadlee). Therefore its his OPINION, and we can discuss and give our own OPINION. If you dont like his opinions, than don’t leave yours homeboy. Simple as that. Grow up and show respect for real cats doin real things.

    Secondly, how the fuck are you gonna put G-unit and lil boozie & young joc strap in the same catagory?? There are LEGENDS on the G-unit label and you obviously havent heard any gang green mixtapes or any drama / buck mixtapes. Learn the difference between music for the streets and music for the mainstream.

    You sound like more of a hater than anyone.

    1 hunned.

  • honkey t

    Man, you retarded. Clipse got more smarts and talent, that’s why they’re respected in rock circles. Jeezy, man, he sucks…no matter how many records he sells, dude can’t even ryhme.

    Hip hop’s reaching a point now that rock got to 20 years ago…the most talented musicians are no longer the best selling, so hip hop fans and critics are gonna have to stop measuring artistic success by records sold. I mean, anybody really think Kanye or Jeezy or Rick Ross are the best in the game? Didn’t think so…

    The Neptunes beats are interesting, artisitic even, which is something few producers know about. Just cos yr mama don’t rock it like she rock Jim Jones, don’t mean its no good. What’s yr mama know ’bout rap anyway?

  • http://whocareswhatpeoplethink thecollinb

    Honkey T
    i’m a neptunes stan all day so i fuck with whatever moves they make when it comes to beats…..but…..has anyone else realized that all but one song is void of a bassline on that album? I get the whole minimalist production letting the lyrics stand out “skooly d” album set up but they Pharrell really didnt hit em off with any pif (minus Keys and Mama I’m Sorry and Dirty Money). They could benefit from not so much a gritty sound just an audible match to their verses.
    Every song doesnt need a bass line but it would enhance the mix of the song and give it a better vibe overall.
    shit is still fish grease tho

  • gluvnast

    this blogger STAYS losing….if the clipse are the colts, then whut would THAT mean if the colts WIN this sunday???

  • Fernando

    Lonzo…

    Lil Boosie is sick. The new clipse album is garbage. Terrible beats killed it.

  • LONZO

    EREAL??? Ru fukin serious? Gunit has legends? Ima ignore everythin u said cuz of that line homey. That has 2 go down as the stupidest shit ever written nigga!

    N u make no sense, we should leave our opinion but if it contradicts the topic we shouldn’t??? Wtf? Show respect for niggas doin real things??? U must be clinically retarded or sumthin homey, cuz a nigga doin a blog is not doin real things. Get off his dick n u need 2 accept other niggaz opinions, and quit cryin like a bitch.

  • jacquez
  • LONZO

    Fernando….
    So ur sayin lil boosie is better than The Clipse??? Like zoom zoom zooom? Yea I don’t think so.
    Ya niggaz need 2 quit catchin feelings, everybody got an opinion….I respect that ya niggaz got ya own taste in hip hop, I was just statin mine. So fernando if u like lil boosie, that’s cool nigga. I just don’t think many rappers can see The Clipse lyrically.

  • Were Read 2 Def

    Ghost is the king of Crack Rap. He has no competition until Rae drops, of course.

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    So your saying the Saints wont do anything in the future…if so you got us all wrong…this season was just the beggining for us…we will be back in the NFC chapionship next year…and will win a super bowl in the nest 3 years…maybe next year…

  • EReal

    LONZO Says:

    January 30th, 2007 at 2:50 pm
    EREAL??? Ru fukin serious? Gunit has legends? Ima ignore everythin u said cuz of that line homey. That has 2 go down as the stupidest shit ever written nigga!

    N u make no sense, we should leave our opinion but if it contradicts the topic we shouldn’t??? Wtf? Show respect for niggas doin real things??? U must be clinically retarded or sumthin homey, cuz a nigga doin a blog is not doin real things. Get off his dick n u need 2 accept other niggaz opinions, and quit cryin like a bitch.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Mobb Deep are legends and so are MOP you retard. I said G-Unit LABEL.

    And tellin someone they fuckin stupid and they suck and should get the fuck outta here if they gonna write their opinion is not an opinion, its haterism without respect for what Dude is doin.
    Billy is doin his thing, he writes for dope ass sites, thats doin real things in my book. Its not like he just posts straight turds on XXLmag like Bol.

    My comment about G-unit was my response to your opinion on that subject, wasnt it?

    Maybe you should read through what I said before gettin heated, home boy.

  • Belize

    Can’t really argue with ya….except that they got more than 4 good songs:

    1st album:
    1. Intro 3. Virginia 4. Grindin’
    5. Cot Damn 6. Ma, I Don’t Love Her 8. When the Last Time 15. Grindin’ [Selector Remix]

    2nd album:
    1. We Got It For Cheap (Intro) 2. Momma I’m So Sorry 3. Mr. Me Too 4. Wamp Wamp (What It Do) Featuring Slim Thug 5. Ride Around Shinning Featuring AB-Liva of the Re-Up Gang 8. Keys Open Doors 11. Chinese New Year 12. Nightmares

    With that said, yeah..they are the colts..but watch out, these niggaz are just 1 hit away from BLOWIN up!

  • http://myspace.com/beats4dastreet beats4dastreet

    I can agree with what u are trying to say, it’s just that the way you presented it makes me think that YOU are the one who is “allowed to
    live your ghetto safari fantasies from the safety of your iPod
    headphones.”

  • SONNY CHEEBA

    Belize Says:

    January 30th, 2007 at 3:35 pm
    Can’t really argue with ya….except that they got more than 4 good songs:

    1st album:
    1. Intro 3. Virginia 4. Grindin’
    5. Cot Damn 6. Ma, I Don’t Love Her 8. When the Last Time 15. Grindin’ [Selector Remix]

    2nd album:
    1. We Got It For Cheap (Intro) 2. Momma I’m So Sorry 3. Mr. Me Too 4. Wamp Wamp (What It Do) Featuring Slim Thug 5. Ride Around Shinning Featuring AB-Liva of the Re-Up Gang 8. Keys Open Doors 11. Chinese New Year 12. Nightmares

    With that said, yeah..they are the colts..but watch out, these niggaz are just 1 hit away from BLOWIN up!

    ^^^I agree except for the “blowin up” part…

    They need a Pharrell or Timbaland club BANGA to blow them niggaz up!

  • Billy X. Sunday

    ^Belize, my badd!

    I forgot to include the Grindin’ Remix.

    Clipse has FIVE good songs now.

  • http://www.theartistwithwords.blogspot.com Davinche

    Sunday what credibility do you have after this? after that whole dissing Jay Z and actually try to claim some of them clowns as good as him was bad enough we have this.

    I mean you seriously trying to act like Pusha and Malice are not the ish on the mic. You telling me that shit like ‘pussy (remix)’,'I shoy ya’, and ‘monopoly’, hell even the ‘re-up intro’ are not fucking dope. I mean have you actually listened to some of their bars? They are light years ahead of some of these rappers. Hell, even listen to malice on the B.I.G duets album, them verses are crazy.

    You see you need to have actually listened to them and not just their commercial shit to know about that.
    You be thinking rapping begins and ends at albums.
    And face it, unlike *name favorite rapper here* their sophomore album was one hell of a step up from their previous album. Also, I think you should read your own damn post again. You seem to have more of a problem with the beats which GUESS WHAT? Are not made by the Clipse? Go figure, I know. Thats a beef with the Neptune’s.
    But lyrically, Clipse are the shit. Pusha T is just a beast, and malice has those occasions where he just drops hell of a verse/s.

    Sunday you have no cred established on this site. Don’t be thinking we care from what shit hole you came from to getting a position to writing on this site,you be taking shots at Jay and Clipse. Rap is about lyrics. If you don’t like lyric driven shit go find a new genre of music to air your shit with. Don’t be taking shots though at people who have pushed and are pushing this game forward.

  • Tray

    Thanks Billy, whoever you are, you’re totally right. Clipse are mega-overrated, their lyrics aren’t half as good as they’re cracked up to be, it’s all just a bunch of mediocre punchlines and similes about coke, no storytelling no nothing.

  • Cuban Link

    do u have fun comparing rapper/groups to atheletes/teams?

  • http://www.myspace.com/belizeanbway Belize

    haaaaaaaaaaaa

  • Danny B

    Man dont compare tha saints to tha clipse at least we get people attention. we comin up ya heard. it takes time to build a dynasty man.

  • http://www.paradistc.org/winnie-the-pooh winnie the pooh

    WOW!! I like it!

  • grapes

    ONPOINT! I’ve always wondered why Clipse sounded so soft with their lyrics, now I really think and find the flaws in all of the Neptunes’ beats. Not that they’re whack or common. It’s just that they would fit better with Kanye or something…lol.

  • http://www.lionclanmuisc.com Dino

    Yo who is this guy writing this garbage? The Clipse are very consistent and ahead of the majority of the the bull shit rap released by most so called successful hip hop artist.

    Simply put Mr. Blogger can you rap? Are you dope with the metaphors, can you paint vivid pictures via lyrical greatness– I DOUBT IT!

  • nEMESIS

    STUPID COMPARISON

  • BT

    peyton manning won the big one genius.

  • Domino

    You cant name 5 rappers who got better lyrics then them, nor can u name 5 producers fuckin with the neptunes. The clipse arent ever going to be on Waynes status (sells out the roof), but they dont really act like theyre trying to. Wayne blew up cause of tracks like lollipop and shit. He puts out hard shit dont get me wrong, but you are never going to hear the clipse drop some shit like that, they give quality rhymes time in and time out, and the neptunes give beats made from mars. Mainstream rap isnt quality rap, its catchy shit that appeals to mainstream america (white teens). Now you have legit ass rappers who are mainstream but thats cause theyre okay with changing with the trends and putting out club music. The clipse have never been about that. If the clipse dropped HHNF in the early 90′s, theyd be legends. Kanyes “college dropout” to “heartless”, Waynes “carter 2″ to “rebirth”, Jays “reasonable doubt” to “blueprint three”, they all changed. Im young and wasnt even in school when that funeral album dropped. but i was around to buy lord willin, and from that thru HHNF thru all the WGIFC volumes finally to Till the casket drops, the clipse have yet to change, and thats because THEY DONT WANT TOO, trust me, theyre not missing any meals, and maybe theyre happy with being consistent and well respected. The legacy of a rapper doesnt depend on sales my man. with that being said the colts comparison shows your view of real rap is, LAME.People loveeee wayne, but just as many people hate him, people dont hate the clipse, they either like their shit or just respect it for what it is. and trust me, whoever ur fav artist are, they think the clipse shits hot. if not they still respect, your jus strait up disrespectin. but dasss okay, cause from one of their songs thats soon to be on ur ipod sooner or late (cause as much as u try, u cant deny real music), they’re good.