Sickamore vs The Oreo Sports Writer

I came across this article on ESPN.com yesterday and it rubbed me the wrong way, so I decided to send this nice lady an e-mail to let her know how I felt. It’s kind of long (both the article and my reply and then her reaction), but try and read it. Don’t be afraid to hit me (or her) up with your opinion. It started on my myspace blog but I’ve decieded to bring the fight over here to XXL. She basically blames this guys death on hip-hop and BET, then tries to backpedal at the end. Agree or disagree, wanted you all to read it and form your own opinion.

 

Verse of the day coming later! 

Oh yeah. Fuck the Eagles and the Patriots.

A disturbing, violent trend

By Jemele Hill

Page 2

ESPN Article

“Wrong place at the wrong time.”

Who knew the wrong place to be on New Year’s Eve was at a party welcoming in the new year? Who knew the wrong time to be murdered was now .. when people are so callous about death that it’s almost as if we’re asking the victim, “Just what did you do to get yourself murdered?”

There are many words to describe the senseless killing of Denver Broncos cornerback Darrent Williams. Unfortunate. Heartbreaking. Sad. But here’s the one word we can’t use in describing such a death: Unexpected.

Over the past 12 months, three NFL players have been shot, and in the past couple weeks, police discovered one NFL player, Bears defensive lineman Tank Johnson, had enough weapons in his home to mount a terrorist attack. University of Miami lineman Bryan Pata was shot to death at his apartment complex in November. In Denver alone, three notable athletes have been shot since 2003 .. Pittsburgh Steelers linebacker Joey Porter, Denver Nuggets guard Julius Hodge and now, tragically, Williams.

One unavoidable commonality about these episodes of gunplay: all of the athletes are black.

It leads to an inevitable question from all of us, but particularly mainstream America: Why do black athletes often seem to find themselves either holding a gun or staring down the barrel of one?

Real talk for a moment.

Contrary to stodgy opinions, young men have a right to go out. They want to hang with their peers. They want to talk to women. They want to show off a little of their success. Nothing wrong with any of that .. as long as they’re careful.

Who they’re with, what time they’re out and what they have is only a small part of the issue. The larger problem here is the one no one is ready to openly discuss.

While America is generally a violent place, no culture in this country glorifies violence more than the African-American community. And consequently, no other racial group is as disproportionately affected by it.

This isn’t to say black people invented violence or have a penchant for it. But far too many of us glorify shooting people for revenge, perceived slights or to prove toughness. Two things you almost always see when “MTV Cribs” features a black superstar: a poster of Tony Montana and a poster of the Godfather. Montana and Michael Corleone, though fictional, are considered heroes by young black men everywhere. Montana and Corleone had one thing in common: both killed people to gain respect.

BET, the same network that saw fit to cut its nightly news program, has a new show called “American Gangster,” which “chronicles the life and times of some of Black America’s most notorious crime figures.” It’s explained that the program has a strong moral component and doesn’t seek to glorify violence, but on BET’s Web site the show is promoted by showing Ving Rhames, the king of cool, in slick gangster apparel .. as if he were promoting a music video, not a show about violent criminals.

And sure enough, right beneath Rhames’ promo ad, a BET dot.commer says, “Young, black males will look at this [show] as an inspiration.”

Now, criminal biographies appear on The History Channel all the time, but the difference is that violence is often marketed to blacks in a way that makes it appear more sexy and daring.

Black men constantly receive the message that they can’t make it in life through using legitimate means, and the only way they gain society’s respect is through the street game.

This is the mentality black athletes greet when they go to the club. A recent Public Library of Science Medicine study shows black men living in urban America have the shortest life expectancy of any other racial group in the country. The life expectancy of a black man in Cleveland is closer to that of West Africans than the average white American. So wearing a jersey every Sunday doesn’t protect you from anything.

Of course, movies and songs don’t make people kill people, but they can influence the way people think and live.

But ultimately, if we want to see fewer black athletes as victims of violence, African-Americans must stop worshiping at the altar of their own demise.

Jemele Hill, a Page 2 columnist and writer for ESPN the Magazine, can be reached at jemeleespn@gmail.com.

A Real Disturbing Trend: The Oreo Sports Writer
by Sickamore

It’s Uncle Tom’s…excuse me…Auntie Tomika’s like you who set African Americans like me back 50 years.How was Darrent Williams’s death “expected”? Did he have a history of violence? No. Any prior run ins with the law? No. Did they find him at the crime scene at the wrong end of some bloody shoot out? No. The only thing you have the late Mr. Williams guilty of is “black while partying”. It’s New Years Eve for god sakes! Do you know what percentage of black, white, red, orange blue and green people between the ages of 18 and 30 go out and party every December 31st? Did you have any facts to support your theory on why DARRENT WILLIAMS was EXPECTED to be KILLED?

I’m a black person who actually does his research. According to your myspace page, you listen to Jay-Z, watch The Godfather and would like to meet Iceberg Slim. That means you fall right into the demographic that you criticize. So should I be surprised if someone shoots you in the face the next time you go out? If your brother or your cousin or your unborn child gets his head popped off when they go out, should we all just say “we seen it coming”? Or does this only apply to rich athletes and entertainers? A white USC kicker was found inexplicably dead in a ditch yesterday, isn’t that the equivalent of University Of Miami lineman Bryan Pata being shot to death in his apartment?Now I’m sure in your mind, you’re convinced that Darrent Williams was some dumb rich nigger football player who probably downloaded every American Gangster episode (assuming you think he can even use a computer), was preparing his house for the next season of MTV Cribs season and was watching Scarface 8 times before he went to that party. So he should’ve expected to be shot to death that night. I mean just look at the “statistics”.Do you want to know my theory? I think you had this you had this article pre-written for the next dead rich entertainer, whether in sports or music. In fact after you say “real talk for a moment”, your article doesn’t mention Darrent Williams, or sports for that matter, at all! If Ludacris killed, you would’ve probably just changed the names and submitted the same article to BET.com.

I’m sure you think in your own twisted house Negro way you’re keeping it real by writing that article, but in all actuality you’re just an opportunist. ESPN would’ve never published that bullshit report if you were a white journalist. They needed it to come from “one of them” so they wouldn’t receive this type of backlash. You’re probably just waiting for more of your brothers and sisters to get shot so you can keep the check coming, am I right?

“Hey ESPN.com,

I’m a black female journalist saying Darrent Williams was killed because he was rich and black. Out of the box thinking right? Let me know if you’re interested. And anytime you need a conservative black voice, just give me a ring.

Sincerely your nigga,

Jemele Hill”

See you at the club bitc..I mean sis.

Truly Yours

Sickamore
myspace.com/makeyoufamous

 

                   

   Re: A Real Disturbing Trend: The Oreo Sports Writer

Congrats, you win the award for the most ridiculous e-mail I’ve ever received at ESPN. You’re parting gift are these words…
The reason I said Darrent Williams death was expected had nothing to do with where he was or who he was with. I do believe there is a huge paragraph in my column that says he did nothing wrong. He celebrated the most celebratory holiday, was with friends, etc. I do believe my direct sentence was that there was nothing wrong with that.
But later on, if you kept reading, I belive I explain why, sadly, it wasn’t expected. Black men have the shortest life expectancy. Even worse, the No. 1 cause of death for black men ages 16-24 is homocide. So, statistically, there was nothing shocking or unexpected about it. If a black man in WEST AFRICA has a better chance of survival than one that lives in Baltimore, what does that tell you? I believe it says that black men dying violently is very, expected.
As for my personal likes and dislikes…well, glad you took the time to “research,” and through a cursory glance you determined that I was an Oreo and some kind wanna-be gangster, too. The reason I want to meet Iceburg Slim is because his book is one of the most poignant ever written. It breaks down how black people get played every day. It’s the modern-day Willie Lynch papers in many ways.
Unlike too many of my bros and sis’, I understand the game within the game. So I know that the Godfather was really about sacrifice. Plus, if you’ve ever read the book, it is beautifully written. I appreciate those things. But I ain’t walking around with Michael Corleone shirts and posters and caught up in the infatuation of how he lived. I know the real moral behind that story, and too many of our young people do not. Scarface is in a completely different vein because there was no moral to that story. That movie was awful. The one scene everyone loves is the one where Montana gets shot up with a bunch of coke in his nose.
Now, you can choose to believe I’m an Oreo. I’m far from it. I care enough about our people to want to help change them and our thinking. An Oreo or a sellout is not a black person who illuminates problems we keep trying to sweep under the rug. A real sellout is a network like BET, which peddles absolute crap to our people and profits. A real sellout is Michael Jackson, who embarrasses our people and takes advantage of children.  A real sellout are some of these clueless rappers who talk about how many people they shot when those fools ain’t never lived that life or even fired a gun. But they peddle us an image just to make money. A real sellout are these fools walking around talking about “don’t snitch,” allowing our neighborhoods to be terrorized by criminals. A real sellout is a drug dealer who’ll setup shop on his grandmother’s corner, but wouldn’t DARE do that crap in a white neighborhood.
But hey, if you think a sellout is an African-American woman who went to college and is trying to change a destructive mentality, so be it.

 

 

  • EZY

    FIRST !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://myspace.com/sosickproductions07 Grace Starr

    “Stylin on you” produced by grace starr

    myspace.com/sosickproductions07

    U made it a hot line I made it a hot song!

  • http://www.myspace.com/mmb29 Michael Butler (Legacy Elite)

    Thank you for clarifying this to the middle America readers who don’t know WHAT to believe.

    http://www.blog.myspace.com/mmb29

  • KMay

    Damn

  • shaw-ty

    As I said prior:

    IMO, because Darrent did not have a past history of violence, to still not be moved, or have a lack of suprise because of his death does not say something about our society, generation, and/or music.

    Rather to not be ‘suprised’ that Darrent was murdered, may more or less, speaks volumes about who that person is, as an individual though.

    Personally I feel she’s spittin about what she sees from the outside in, ‘outside insight’ if you may, and that in itself speaks VOLUMES.

  • Yizzo

    new york new york big city of dreams…..
    how does it feel to be Looooooossssiiiiinnnngggg :0)

    but anyway good reply fuuddduucck that iitch

  • shane

    1st

  • Yizzo

    Sickamore your an Ahole..i hope you get stabbed with a rusty nail and get lock jaw

  • shotta76

    “But I ain’t walking around with Michael Corleone shirts and posters and caught up in the infatuation of how he lived. I know the real moral behind that story, and too many of our young people do not. Scarface is in a completely different vein because there was no moral to that story. That movie was awful. The one scene everyone loves is the one where Montana gets shot up with a bunch of coke in his nose.
    Now, you can choose to believe I’m an Oreo. I’m far from it. I care enough about our people to want to help change them and our thinking. An Oreo or a sellout is not a black person who illuminates problems we keep trying to sweep under the rug. A real sellout is a network like BET, which peddles absolute crap to our people and profits. A real sellout is Michael Jackson, who embarrasses our people and takes advantage of children. A real sellout are some of these clueless rappers who talk about how many people they shot when those fools ain’t never lived that life or even fired a gun. But they peddle us an image just to make money. A real sellout are these fools walking around talking about “don’t snitch,” allowing our neighborhoods to be terrorized by criminals. A real sellout is a drug dealer who’ll setup shop on his grandmother’s corner, but wouldn’t DARE do that crap in a white neighborhood.”

    I’m sorry but she came back strong!

  • http://www.myspace.com/pettie88 LAWRENCE

    DAMN….am I the only one that was willing to read a post that actually has something to say(at the time there were no comments)…..good job sickamore for bustin’ her ass out like that. Nobody goes throught there life expecting to be shot just because of the movies or tv they watch…what she said was very insensitive to the Williams family and towards the end she even had the nerve to try and justify why she liked Iceberg Slim and The Godfather.

  • http://www.myspace.com/klepone KLEP ONE

    Scarface had a moral, the rise and fall of a dude who came to america for a better life, chose the wrong path and suffered the consequences of his wrong decisions in the midst of all the money power and respect. All her “facts” are opinionated. I’ve said my part in your blog already, this chick is dilusional. You might not have stepped to her as “professional” but she doesnt know what the fuck she’s talking about.

  • http://www.myspace.com/klepone KLEP ONE

    …but what do I know. I just saw him get shot up with coke in his nose, must have slept thru the rest of the classic movie every celebrity aside “dumb nig rappers” owns as well.

    Would type more but I’m late for my dentist appointment and I have to go iron my Godfather Don Corleone airbrushed 5XL tee.

    Ether on please.

  • Were Read 2 Def

    Personally, I liked both agruments.

  • E AKA THE REAL NORIEAGA

    I agree with your point Sickamore

    I am amazed though that both you and Jemele Hill would resort to using so many fallacies in arguments. Using ad hominems and tu quo ques dosen’t mean your argument is correct. Considering she is supposed to be a journalist after all.

    F.Y.I Scarface wasn’t just an “awful movie” or one “with no moral” the movie pointed out the inherrant flaws in both communist and capatilist societies and how Tony Montana dosen’t fit into either group

  • shane

    i understand where ur coming from. and i also understand where shes coming from. but what she said about BET is correct.from my point of view how can u want your people to advance when u show them whack rappers videos that teaches black teens negative shit.they never show any of those lyrical or conscious rappers video. for example the group little brother wanted their video “lovin it” to get some tv play. but one of the exec said it was too intelligent for black kids. of course they make more money if they only show major label artist videos. we all know that. but how can u try to uplift black america,which they say they do. but still promote bullshit.

  • G. Bey

    1st.

  • http://87northmusic.com The Biz

    BItch.

    But where is your reponse now sick?

  • THE ONE

    Damn, I see where your comin from Sick, but she just tore you a new one. No Bol.

  • THE ONE

    Damn, she tore you a new one.

  • j.b.

    You were kinda hard on her my dude, but I’m wit you — her stance was very shaky. Seems like she’s been looking to do an article about BET and MTV Cribs for a minute and ran with the first available opportunity to connect gun violence with hip-hop. Funny how nowhere in her analysis of “American Gangster” did she note that the program has also gone to great lengths to expose the crooked ass politics of the U.S. gov’t. Sheeet, the Rick Ross episode alone showed how the CIA were the main ones flooding the hood with guns and crack.

  • http://xxlmag.com Bol

    >Scarface is in a completely different vein because there was no moral to that story. That movie was awful.

    At least the bitch has got taste.

  • E AKA THE REAL NORIEAGA

    FREE JUAN URIBE

  • P

    My take:

    Sick, you are right for critizizing her, but you could have gone deeper than that. To me, the “real issue” IS race (and class), but not how she puts it. look at this quote:

    “While America is generally a violent place, no culture in this country glorifies violence more than the African-American community. And consequently, no other racial group is as disproportionately affected by it.”

    WTF? I she really saying that black americans are more affected by violence because they chose to glorify it? Well I guess we can just let white people off the hook completely, right?

    let’s see, what else:

    “Black men constantly receive the message that they can’t make it in life through using legitimate means, and the only way they gain society’s respect is through the street game.”

    This is what rap music has been saying all along, “either you got a wicked jump shot or you slang rocks” and so on. Nothing new. But is she saying that rappers adressing this issue is THE REASON things are that way? WHAT THE FUCK? I guess in her world US was not divided into classes and had no racism whatsoever before gangsta rap…

    and finally:
    “if we want to see fewer black athletes as victims of violence, African-Americans must stop worshiping at the altar of their own demise.”

    Now heres when she really earns being called an Oreo by you Sick, for real. Isn’t this what White America just loves to hear? A black writer on a mainstream-media-outlet (such as espn.com) blaming black people for being stuck in a situatiion ultimately CREATED by White People With Money…

    peace

  • content

    Sick,

    Why you making yourself look bad by posting a debate you clearly loss on YOUR site.

    Shit, she should be the one bragging.

    She made you look like one of these ignorant young cats on here complaining that it’s all the white mans fault.

    Not a good look.

  • jacquez

    good points

    http://www.myspace.com/southcrak

    go listen

  • Dope

    I somewhat agree with the girl’s point that media plays a big role on our lives and some artists just disegrate our community as whole thanks to all the steriotypes they endorse to society…but relating this to Williams death is just a bitchy move, the article is irrelevant to his death

  • P

    My take:

    Sick, you are right for calling her out. But I think you could have done it a little differently, to make your argument stronger. Bear with me on my own rant:

    I beleive this issue really IS about race (and class, like in poverty). Let’s look at this quote:

    “While America is generally a violent place, no culture in this country glorifies violence more than the African-American community. And consequently, no other racial group is as disproportionately affected by it.”

    Hold up. Is she saying the voilence in the black community is a consequence of it being ”glorified” by that same community? Interesting, to say the least, but lets move on…

    “Black men constantly receive the message that they can’t make it in life through using legitimate means, and the only way they gain society’s respect is through the street game.”

    Ok, this is what rap has been saying al along, “either you got a wicked jump shot or you slang rocks” etc. But is she saying that rap music commentary on this situation is THE CAUSE of it? WTF? Like there was no poverty or racism before gangsta rap?

    And finally:

    “But ultimately, if we want to see fewer black athletes as victims of violence, African-Americans must stop worshiping at the altar of their own demise.”

    Now doesn’t White America just loves shit like this? A black writer blaming black people for being stuck in a situation created, and maintained, by and Rich White Men. On a mainstream media-outlet like ESPN.com nevertheless.

    So yeah Sick, you’re right for calling her an Oreo. Just wanted to give my take.
    peace

  • http://XXL Rich

    I feel both ends of this argument…the problem that we have as hip-hop heads is that we can’t take any type of criticism…listen i’ve lived thru all of the bullcrap in the hood-murder-death-robbery-all of that-aint none of it cool-ive been around youngn’s who dont give a crap about school so much so that they dont want to be the next darrent williams they wanna be the next jim jones-as hip hop culture we need to take that criticism and be able to have a decent convo without the name-calling and the b.s.-she had an argument sick and so did u-but nobody wants to hear an ignorant fool use name calling tactics-thats why we havent gone far in society & continue to get a lack of respect-cuz we dont give any and we continue to destroy ourselves while the check writer laughs his ass off

  • P

    testing

  • http://XXL Rich

    and seriously the white man aint the only one causing our problems…

  • DocZeus

    Damn, Sick. You played yourself on this one. She ethered you something bad. You come off as bad as your hero, Jeezy, feebly arguing that because Nas doesn’t bust his gun, he’s not hip hop. Besides why are you defending a culture(I’m not referring to the hip hop culture)that either destroys black men or traps them in a never ending, violent street game, anyway? Is it because as a corporate suit at a record company that profits off of this culture, you have a livelihood to protect?

  • Germ

    I don’t think she’s trying to change a destructive mentality. Quoting statistics and reporting does not change anybody’s mentality. I do agree that BET is very much a culprit, but they are also a corporation who will always follow the bottom line. And if that means catering to the lowest common denominator, so be it. That goes for the networks, the movie studios, the record labels, and artists.

    On the hip-hop side, it’s like Saigon said. All these studio gangsters are clapping people and moving bricks on wax, and they’ll yell about how real they are and flash guns on street DVD’s. But as soon as the mainstream media brings them to task over it, they’re quick to remind the public that it’s just entertainment.

    So with that in mind, the real culprit is ignorance. The ignorance of the consumer, who fails to realize that the gangster image is a neatly packaged product, being sold for profit at the expense of black lives. Don’t buy it and they won’t sell it. But that’s not gonna happen…

  • weezybaby

    damn her reply was music to my ears……

  • Rizzop2003

    actually replied to this young lady last week when i first read that article:

    Dear Ms./Mrs Hill,

    I just finished reading your article on page two on espn.com in regards to the amount of violence in the “african-american” community. And i have to say you wrote a very short sighted article.
    If you are going to mention Black men and guns, please add the orgin of the gun itself, which was not created by a black man. The Godfather or scarface wasnt written or produced by a black man…..No black man owns BET anymore (created by bob johnson, but sold to viacom) yes blame ving rhames for being ignorant, but he is not the one signing the check that put him on that show. You did make a good point that it is marketed to blacks that violence is cool, but why not elaborate on that subject? You said “ultimately, if we want to see fewer black athletes as victims of violence, African-Americans must stop worshiping at the altar of their own demise.” but if that is marketed to us from very young ages, why are the people that made guns and promote violent films, not the ones to blame? I really dont believe we “worship at the atler of our own demise” But i do agree parents not being around due having to earn a living has hurt us as a people. The fact our ancestors were brought into this country being thought of and treated as less than humans has alot to do with it , but i dont want to get too deep. Its of course just my opinion, but i think if you are going to write about the plight faced by not only black americans, but americans in general, you should make sure to add all the facts.

    R. Anderson

  • weezybaby

    BVBV

  • Rizzop2003

    And even after that she tried to justify the bullshit she wrote…”Since these other negros do everything to make black folks look bad, what i did aint so bad”…….Sad shit

  • RawTune

    oreo lady > sicamore

  • http://naturalbodilyfunction.blogger.com kayos

    “A situation created by white people with money.” WTF is that. A black male is most likely 2 have encounter a violent death from ANOTHER BLACK MAN. The white man has nothing to do with that. Maybe she is right. Maybe if we pulled our collective heads out of our asses, and take responsibility for our own actions, and not blaming the “white man” we might be able to have a leg to stand on to be able to disagree with her.
    Hell, y shouldn’t the white man love an article like that? Does that make her point any less valid? Blacks should love it too.

  • Rizzop2003

    The fact you idiots are even talking like niggas wasnt getting murdered B4 rap music is even more sickening……Last time i checked just because a nigga raps about what HE did or does doesnt mean im gonna go shoot up a limo full of people

  • Dub

    I agree with the ESPN writer and I think Sick was outta line. The “house nigger” name-calling was just childish. C’mon man, be more professional. You totally missed the point of her article. She was pointing to the trend of violence in the black community. If you think it doesn’t exist, then you are living in denial man.

  • http://naturalbodilyfunction.blogger.com kayos

    “Now doesn’t White America just loves shit like this? A black writer blaming black people for being stuck in a situation created, and maintained, by and Rich White Men.” -Biggest crock od BS of 07 so far.
    NOBODY is responsible for the black mans self destructive ways except the black man. It has been that way for centuries. Black people would sell each other off into slavery. And nowwe shoot and kill each other, and blame somebody else. MAYBE we should take responsibility for ourselves and keep it moving.
    I grew up in South Jamaica Queens, and somehow I managed to not fall victim to the imaginary pressures of my neighborhood. I went 2 junior high in Howard Beach, just like EVERYBODY i grew up with. I get my lawn mowed by the same mexicans the mow EVERYBOY’S lawn where i live… Yet somehow i seem to be the only one who realizes that this AINT the hood, and furthermore, even if it was, there is no reason to maintain it as such. we all know that there is something better out there. We should act like we want to achieve it.

    Or maybe i am wrong, and i live in the ONLY LANDSCAPED ghetto in America.

  • http://myspace.com/sosickproductions07 Grace Starr

    good read sick

  • House Negro

    I have to agree with Ms. Hill over Sickamore. Both have holes in their arguments.

  • Rizzop2003

    “real sellout is a network like BET, which peddles absolute crap to our people and profits. A real sellout is Michael Jackson, who embarrasses our people and takes advantage of children. A real sellout are some of these clueless rappers who talk about how many people they shot when those fools ain’t never lived that life or even fired a gun. But they peddle us an image just to make money. A real sellout are these fools walking around talking about “don’t snitch,” allowing our neighborhoods to be terrorized by criminals. A real sellout is a drug dealer who’ll setup shop on his grandmother’s corner, but wouldn’t DARE do that crap in a white neighborhood.
    But hey, if you think a sellout is an African-American woman who went to college and is trying to change a destructive mentality, so be it.

    1. BET is owned by white folks.

    2.Michael jackson aint start trippin till the white man burned his face and forced him to perform due to bad contracts.

    3. The clueless rappers only know what they new growing up…white folks aint gonna give you shit, so you got to get it somehow. And what black man owned boats bringing drugs and guns into the country during the 60-s 70′s 80′s in the first place?

    4. How are you trying to change a destructive mentality when you say that we “worship at the alter of own demise?”

    The whole issue is while she made some valid points, she didnt add the whole story and i was offended by it because every black man doesnt watch movies and go act a dame fool, just the stupid ones. She need to add where them guns and drugs came from to begin with.

  • Incilin

    Wow Sick, I aint never seen you lose your composure before. This article must have really hit a nerve.

    Both of you make interesting points, and I should reread this article over I say too much, but I need to get back to work. I will say this; I have a Scarface poster in my room, and two shirts with his face on them, and I’ve seen tons of gangsta films, and love hip hop. I don’t “expect” to get shot to death.

    What ESPN’s article doesn’t explore is the actual reason why Williams was killed. No one knows why he was killed threrefore how can we blame a culture for his death? Although she suggests that there is something wrong with glorifying violence in the black community, she doesn’t offer a proper solution and therefore backs down right when she could say something truly controvesal.

    And American Gangsta is a great show which shows how blacks always get the worst of this shit and most of the white people get away with everything. But we could have a whole new post on that.

  • SukedowN

    Sick, you’re way off base with this one, patna.

    If there is an argument to be made on your side, it could’ve been formed better. Your’s is one emotionally charged and ended up with a cheap shot at the end.

    Your perception of her argument is way off base.

  • http://www.xxlmag.com houston’s finest

    come on, all the black people on BET or espn are puppets. jason whitlock got fired for speaking his mind while analyst “uncle” tom jackson has sat by chris berman for years by following the white man. you won sick

  • THE ONE

    Damn, she sure tore you a new one.

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    I dont know Sic..i think you misunderstood what she was saying…she was saying that our mentality as a people is fucked up…how we glorify violence…adn she said BET is one of the worse…i feel the same way about that American Gangster shit and Beef…its really stupid…why couldnt they do the same for all the civil rights and black panther leaders…they put this stuff on tv to brainwash our youth…to the point where they are drunk off of violence…they target the young black male and female with no parent around to steer them in the right direction…the end of the movie belly is a perfect example in how the preacher described the mentality and state of our youth and what the future holds if we dont begin to reverse this decline…i think you just misunderstood her intentions you both have good points…you were wrong for coming at her like that though…maybe you should of just ask her why she felt that way to understand her logic…

  • the truth

    I read Ms. Hill’s article when it posted originally on ESPN.com last week. I too had concerns with the viewpoint taken as well as her approach to the subject matter. However, I’m familiar with some of Mr. Hill’s previous work as well as her appearances on Steven A Smith’s Quite Frankly show on ESPN 2. Although I agree in part with Sickamore’s argument, in Ms. Hill’s defensive she does not seem to fit the roll of your “quintessential uncle Tom!” I would suggest that in the future Ms. Hill should weigh the response of her comments thouroughly before releasing them to the public at-large. She continued to make inflammatory remarks in her retort to Sickamore’s e-mail. The most disturbing being that she preceived BET as a “sellout”. Again, I think this was a very poor choice of words regarding this legendary company. This “sellout” was first solely owned black company traded on Wall Street. Secondly this “sellout” of a company created the first African-American Billionaire in the history of the world. Most importantly if it were not for the advent of BET and its commitment to urban culture, hip-hop would not be the world behemoth that it is today. Aside from personal preference regarding BET and it’s content, one must understand and acknowledge its importance to the history of business & media in this country.

  • http://myspace.com/bunchbitch Bowser da Boss

    I feel the points you were makin Sick. I was low-key pissed when I read that a few days ago too. But I gotta give it to her, she made her points too. Yall should meet up and get it poppin.LOL

  • http://yahoo.com quin_c813

    great blog,u both make interesting points.

  • http://myspace.com/bunchbitch Bowser da Boss

    After reading it again, She made you look kinda foolish sick. She stuck to her arguements and made valid points. Even explained why she had the Iceberg Slim book on her page.

    Sonned!!!

  • d stapes

    although her article was short sighted, your response was idiotic. you can respond to someone without insulting them. you can create a dialog without calling someone a tom. she has a point and so do you, but she came out more poised then you.

  • BorderLINE

    “Now, you can choose to believe I’m an Oreo. I’m far from it. I care enough about our people to want to help change them and our thinking. An Oreo or a sellout is not a black person who illuminates problems we keep trying to sweep under the rug. A real sellout is a network like BET, which peddles absolute crap to our people and profits….A real sellout are some of these clueless rappers who talk about how many people they shot when those fools ain’t never lived that life or even fired a gun. But they peddle us an image just to make money. A real sellout are these fools walking around talking about “don’t snitch,” allowing our neighborhoods to be terrorized by criminals.”

    I agree wit most of that actually.

  • Badmon5000

    This article is the most insensitive article i have ever read for someone who has past away, The Williams Family should sue for defermation of character on behalf of there son. Any one can die on any day, it is not subject to just black people, or rich black athletes in this case, I my self i’m Vex about this kind of mentality, especially from a black female. It is people like this that cast judement on people just because of what they look like or where there from. This is Just another way of saying that there is assholes everywhere, even at ESPN!

  • http://xxl NORTHERNEXPOSURE

    “fight the power” both yall had somepoints but all in all she tried to play ya and to me it backfired because she had to explain herself to everyone just to get a valid point. you win but she will end up wit a pulitser prize for beating down black culture with white propaganda and media bias

  • rkm

    Good post. I agree more with her than you, but thanks for a real interesting discussion, and her counter was pretty good too.

  • http://myspace.com/jthebrand J

    Big shout out to Sickamore for addressing this. A lot of time people in the industry who are as busy as Sickamore, shrug shit like this off, or make a small comment and don’t address it substantially. So a big shout out to Sickamore for not doing the typical executive thing and even taking time out of his busy schedule and addressing this. Mad love my dude, its good to know that their are more real people working in the industry. Chuck D must love you. Professor X (X Clan) is smilin right now!

    J.

  • http://none MC

    damn. Sicka got sonned.

  • SONNY CHEEBA

    she got u sick!

  • Flip

    I usually ride with Sickamore…on just about everything actually, but son, you got served.

  • Flip

    I fucks wit Sickamore heavy, but cousin was just wrong here. And ol girl served you…hard.

  • pezee the jeteye

    that bet show iz pretty good, after watching nick barnes i will prolly never sell heroin again!!!!!!! nope jus e-pills and cocaine for now on!!! LOL no but the show is rapped in a candy bar wrapper, but it has good points, it really changed some of my thoughts about bein illegal

  • RB

    Hill picked you apart like a nose during cold season. Shit son, you got ethered.

  • Reed

    Wow Sick, you’re a two time loser. You showed your ignorance by not fully comprehending what she wrote in the first place and tehn catching feeling’s (1st loss). Then she put you in your place without stooping to grade school name calling like your lame ass did (2nd loss). Stick to talking about what you actually do know (supposedly), you sack of donkey shit.

    peace. lol.

  • Combat Jack

    Damn, now you got chicks running up in yah. Slow it down son and stick to A&R’ing?

  • >>>>>>>>>ROC

    AS SOON AS SOMEONE IN THE BLACK COMMUNTIY TRY’S TO SAY SOMETHING POSITIVE,YOUR DUMB ASS(SICKAMORE)REPRESENTING THE INGNORANCE OF YOUR PEOPLE HAS TO TRY AND BASH THE LADY FOR WHAT?REPRESENTING YOUR RACE IN A POSITIVE WAY?TRYING TO MAKE A CHANGE?HAVING COURAGE TO POINT OUT TRUTHS ABOUT YOUR THE NEGATIVE ASPECTS OF YOUR CULTURE.I GUESS THE IGNORANT JUST CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH………

  • >>>>>>>>>ROC

    “Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence.”

    – Albert Einstein

  • >>>>>>>>>ROC

    “Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence.”

    -Albert Einstein

  • >>>>>>>>>ROC

    “Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence.”

    – Albert Einstein

  • Meka Soul

    if you didn’t come off sounding like a whiny brat in your first reply, your argument would have more validity. calling someone an uncle tom right off the bat = cred goes down the shitter.

    no “the [white] rapper show.”

  • j

    interesting post sick. itwould be great if u posted more. i understand you got otherobligations but cmon sick get to posting more.

  • Fernando

    Sick,

    Why would you post an article where you get ethered? I like how you took her on. But at some point you have to admit that she has a point. Im one of the biggest lovers of Hip Hop that there is, epecially the violent, drug related type. But I also grew up with two working parents in a fairly non-violent city (portland, Or). At some point there is some truth that hip-hop can be destructive to the minds of the black youth that have no other guiding light outside of athletics. Not ALL hip hop of course, but you get the point. Obviously Talib isnt inspiring anybody to do a drive bye. And somewhere along the way, it became Politically Incorrect to examine the ridiculous rate of black-on-black crime in America. Black folks kill each other like its going out of style. I know much of this is a side-effect of poverty, drugs, bad neighborhoods, racism, legacy of Slavery, etc. etc. But at some point it has to stop or at least get better, and worshiping Young Jeezy and the crack he supposedly “hustles” probably doesnt help anybody. And it cant be denied that the clubs that young black youth & athletes hang out at are NOT the safest places to be.

  • Combat Jack

    ^ I was at a party -w- wifey a couple of weeks back where my homie Clark Kent was spinning on the 1′s & 2′s. Dude was playing classic shit and the whole place (60′, 70′, 80′s babies) was jumping for like 3 effin hours. After he got off the tables, his replacement DJ got on and started spinning some Dip Set ish. Now I like Dip Set, but instantly, the mood changed, less chicks on the floor, more jigs shoulder bumping, sheet, less chicks in the effin club and waaaaay more dudes hoodied up and blunt smoking. After 30 minutes of watching nigs get right and amped and ‘HARDCORE”, it was time for me and baby girl to leave. Hell’s jiyeah, Hip Hop influences nigroes like Creflo Dollar to the clergy!

  • The Hammer

    DAMN DAWG YOU GOT SHITTED ON!

  • derfla

    both ya’ll made good points but no good solution.

  • K-Dogg

    Yeah Sick, you got killed. I gotta agree wit the chick.

  • Omar

    content Says:

    January 8th, 2007 at 12:46 pm
    Sick,

    Why you making yourself look bad by posting a debate you clearly loss on YOUR site.

    Shit, she should be the one bragging.

    She made you look like one of these ignorant young cats on here complaining that it’s all the white mans fault.

    Not a good look.

    Co-sign!!!!!!

  • http://www.myspace.com/therapistmusic Therapist

    regardless of how you think sickamore responded, her original article was bogus… “no culture glorifies
    violence more than african americans”

    do we really? do we have the power to control what images of us are seen on tv, film, even music? yea jeezys making the music… but so is common… i dont see labels shoving prototype-generic “positive rappers” down our throats.. but they do have the power to do so, to change how we’re portrayed, and to change the images we’re associated with…

    it has to be recognized that black people aren’t the reason why the violent and negative images of ourselves are the dominant images that we see. Until recently (and even still), top executives of tv, film, and music have all been white.. they have had total control over what type of shit comes out; the reason why there’s more Soul Plane’s than In Pursuit of Happyness’…

    so is it really us thats glorifying this violence? Or does this all stem from powerful white men going “Hey you know what? I think the black audience will really respond well to REAL rappers, and REAL movies” when their perception of what’s REAL is nothing but exaggerated and out of touch stereotypes of blacks.

  • the dza

    I agree with her. But only to a certain extent. I feel that if you want to get into why so many black people are dying, you have to realize that it doesn’t start and end with hip-hop. Hasn’t anyone seen The Wire season 4? They break it down quite well. Ghettos is on some dog eat dog type shit. Ain’t shit cool about killing. Some of these cats is doin it because they honestly don’t think they have a choice.

  • mzfinegirl

    i see her point but she shouldnt be blaming it on black people or music. bet yeah but not black people or the music. both of yall were on point.

  • http://xxlmag.com DARK

    zzzzzzz..xxl is gettin gay zzzzzzzzzz snore zzzzzzz snore zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  • pat

    yo i read half this ladies article and allready know its bullshit, i can’t beleive this shit is 07 man

  • giftandacurse

    da espn lady was jus stating a fact i see sum, ppl can handle da truth fuc pc fuc daa xxl blogger lazy azz bytchh dats y hip hop is truly dead u a sickaless.unintelligent bastard

  • http://myspace.com/djmainevent DJ Main Event

    both of you hit some good points, but her response to you was better articulated Sick. Gotta call it like i see it.

    we need a bigger forum for this sort of talk though.

  • http://www.myspace.com/suntzu Sun Tzu

    She was actually right

    so???

  • http://www.myspace.com/pyunikla Greg A.K.A. YG DA BOSS

    I have to say that after reading Sickamore’s reply I was very impressed at how he went after the writer based on merit and values. It is a lot easier to put together a half piece full of baseless motives from her standpoint and make those asumptions by assuming all those things about the tragic death of Darren Williams and desperatly trying to tie it in to cultural issues. I am glad and proud as a young men in this society that Sickamore or anyone else who wrote to her took a stand because their is nothing worse then someone who is willing to take the easy route and buy into something that is not their and run with an assumption hoping to get noticed and get something out of another persons misforune by placing baseless blame.

    Sickamore was on point throughout his response and when she responded it was so predictable that you knew it was just a matter of time till she started placing the blame on rap music and rappers…. Come on give me a break how predictable and desperate on her behalf. If you are not blaming the victim for attending a new years event where every1 gets reckless from various cultures then why even write an article like this? What is your motive?… It is an obvious cry for attention and a motive to get ahead in her career by using a tragic event like this and as tragic placing blame on music, cultural aspects, and everything else that is wrong with the wold ha?….

  • Cuban Link

    Oh yeah. Fuck the Eagles and the Patriots.

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  • thoreauly77

    well, let’s first say that in her response she didn’t stoop to such trifling and immature rhetoric as to call someone an “auntie tomika”, so in my opinion she already wins. sic, your response is indicative of your (im)maturity level and your ability to process information, but mostly it just shows how cocky you are. this isn’t about who wins though really, it’s about who loses, and that is all of us who subscribe to the glorification of violence in popular media……. because no matter what vitriol you want to spout at jemele hill, her point is valid that the media affects our perception of reality.

  • Myzcarter

    this is how i feel. She does have a point of hip hop glorifying violence but anyone over the age of 15 should know by common sense that thats not wat lifes about. And u shouldnt try to copy that lifestyle. HIP HOP IS NOT THE REASON WHY SO MANY BLACKS ARE MOSTLY IN JAIL OR DEAD. ITS THE STUPID ASS PARENTS WHO ALLOW THEIR CHILD 2 GET INTO THAT LIFESTYLE. THATS LIKE BLAMING FOOD IS THE REASON WHY MOST OF AMERICA IS FAT. No ITS YO DAMN FAULT THAT U FAT. I LOVE HIP HOP BUT ITDONT MAKEME WANT2KI

  • NickeNitro

    “If you say real talk, I probably won’t trust ya.”
    ———————————–

    “[P]olice discovered one NFL player, Bears defensive lineman Tank Johnson, had enough weapons in his home to mount a terrorist attack.”

    –>Why the reference to terrorism? I’ve never heard anything about Tank Johnson being a terrorist. Isn’t this an example of the same scare tactics that Bol’s been (I hope) making fun of.

    “While America is generally a violent place, no culture in this country glorifies violence more than the African-American community. And consequently, no other racial group is as disproportionately affected by it.”

    –>Both statements lack support. What about all the redneck hunters and armchair patriots cheering on US involvement in Iraq? And “consequently”? I could go on and on with far more concrete reasons why there is violence in poor black neighborhoods.

    “[F]ar too many of us glorify shooting people for revenge, perceived slights or to prove toughness.”

    –>Has a black person been convicted of killing Williams for revenge? No. In fact, no one’s even been charged. If Jemele Hill has already solved the murder, she should come forward with what she knows. Otherwise, she shouldn’t make a pronouncement in the national media that the killer was black. It’s more than likely the LAPD had Biggie killed, and I’d be willing to bet that’s not an isolated incident involving a black celebrity.

    –>MTV and BET are both owned by Viacom. If anyone’s glorifying violence, it’s the white execs deciding what’s on those channels, not an actor hosting the show.

    “Congrats, you win the award for the most ridiculous e-mail I’ve ever received at ESPN.”

    –>Good one

    “If a black man in WEST AFRICA has a better chance of survival than one that lives in Baltimore, what does that tell you?”

    –>Something entirely different an far more well-considered than “African-Americans worship the altar of violence.”

    “I know that the Godfather was really about sacrifice. Plus, if you’ve ever read the book, it is beautifully written. I appreciate those things. But I ain’t walking around with Michael Corleone shirts and posters and caught up in the infatuation of how he lived.”

    –>She’s oh-so enlightened, ain’t she? Unlike most dumb black folk, she understands that “game within the game.” She get’s it, don’t she? Because, from a “cursory glance,” the black guy on TV doesn’t have the poster because he appreciated Coppola’s direction, Puzo’s screenplay, or acting from Brando, Pacino, etc. He’s too busy telling his friends about how great violence is.

    –>I liked Scarface. Sorry if it doesn’t agree with your conservative Disney/ABC/ESPN morals. And there are lessons to take from that movie –not that I need a lesson in everything (I’m a big boy).

    –>Michael Jackson has problems. He’s not doing whatever he does because he’s selling out and it’s making him money. The white media is glorifying his problems. What the hell does he have to do with this?

    “A real sellout are these fools walking around talking about ‘don’t snitch,’ allowing our neighborhoods to be terrorized by criminals.”

    –>Again with the terrorism. I’d say the activities of racist police accords more with the definition of ‘terrorism,’ Condoleezza.

    “A real sellout are some of these clueless rappers who talk about how many people they shot when those fools ain’t never lived that life or even fired a gun.”

    –>Yes of course it’s those fools, the rappers. Ain’t it? White people NEVER listen to rap (or watch Scarface), so that’s why they don’t shoot each other.

    “[I]f you think a sellout is an African-American woman who went to college and is trying to change a destructive mentality, so be it.”

    –>Because, clearly, Sickamore, that’s exactly what you said in your email. She knows who she’s working for, and ESPN pushes that button a little harder with their Page 2 content (Bill Simmons is a flat-out racist), since it appears “less affiliated,” even though the network is collecting all the ad revenue.

  • Myzcarter

    BET IS NOT A SELLOUT. BET HELPED PAVED THE WAY 4 BLACK PEOPLE TO BE ACCEPTED ON TV.

  • the dza

    I co-sign everything nickenitro just dropped. She too afraid to go after her bosses so she gettin at niggas.

  • Re 3rd

    Sic,

    I feel her she makes a valid point that we “80′s babies” value the wrong shit. And she took words out of my mouth about BET( Black Enslavement TV)
    On a side note who the fuck cares about a “black american gangster”?

    I got one for you “Black American Scholar” or “Black American Millionaire”.

  • http://bsidewinsagain.blogspot.com SL

    ->”She basically blames this guys death on hip-hop and BET…”

    I probably missed something, because I don’t see ANY reference to hip-hop in her article !?

  • http://dsf fa

    Reed:
    Wow Sick, you’re a two time loser. You showed your ignorance by not fully comprehending what she wrote in the first place and tehn catching feeling’s (1st loss). Then she put you in your place without stooping to grade school name calling like your lame ass did (2nd loss). Stick to talking about what you actually do know (supposedly), you sack of donkey shit.

    ~~~

    Sums it up quite nicely.

  • P

    NickeNitro:

    word.

  • DANTE SEVERE

    I respect that you posted her reply. Oh, and Rizzop2003 is a retard.

  • che

    i don’t get it…we’re constantly told that it’s the white kids buyin rap music..so, by applying that to her logic..shouldn’t the white kids be shooting each other?

  • http://www.myspace.com/meanassmo Marvelous Mo

    Welp,

    Perhaps if other races, especially White People, didn’t listen to hip hop and watch gangster flicks, Jemele would probably have an accurate point. It would solely make Black Americans stand out and be responsible for the amount of violence going around. That isn’t really the case though. Hip Hop is a culture misunderstood and bandwagon by many. However, you can sense your disgust by your vernacular, brotha. What made it seem like you took the “L” is how you articulated your points. She most definitely stereotyped “us” as a whole, but she has the tools and support to do so. If she didn’t, you wouldn’t have seen her piece posted on ESPN for that long. Clearly someone is cosigning…and just because you don’t read about the cosigning or see it doesn’t mean it isn’t being done either. This is when you hear the people screaming “YEAH!” after what she says for vocalizing what they were too punk to say all these years, but didn’t have the complexion connection to say it. Sick, I know you have a response to her last writing…and I’m pretty sure your rebuttal would and could give her a run for her money.

    There are a lot of factors that can contribute to the way things are right now rooting from the legacy of slavery to poverty to just plain out lack of opportunity. Regardless of how hard “we” had it, there is still an influence that plays a HUGE part of the development of what we are today…power. Until we have some ethnic people heavy handedly steering the Viacoms and other media outlets (and directing the movement to a more positive empowering road), you’re going to see and hear what “black” people know…and that’s struggle and survival.

    Sidebar:
    R.I.P. to the individuals fallen to violence. Love your work, Sick.

  • gtd@gsd.com

    i think you too need to fuck and get it out of your system

  • Reed

    NickeNitro,
    dogg, I’m sorry, but just because you mocked what she had to say and made your little quip’s doesn’t make anything you said any less stupid.

  • mannyworld33

    AS THE SAYING GOES “CHOOSE YOUR BATTLES WISELY”

    SICK YOU LOST ONE, ONE ,ONE, ONE!

    ON A SERIOUS NOTE BOTH SIDES ARGUED WITH MORE OPINION THAN FACT, AND WE ALL KNOW WHAT OPINIONS ARE LIKE…..

  • TrillGates

    You both have great points, but it seems like you’re trying to convince her that her ideals are wrong. It’s easy to see that you both are very passionate about our people, so you should be working together not against one another.

    On a side note; you played yourself with that letter at the end of your email Sick, that made you average!

    “Hey ESPN.com,

    I’m a black female journalist saying Darrent Williams was killed because he was rich and black. Out of the box thinking right? Let me know if you’re interested. And anytime you need a conservative black voice, just give me a ring.

    Sincerely your nigga,

    Jemele Hill”

    See you at the club bitc..I mean sis.

    Truly Yours

    Sickamore
    myspace.com/makeyoufamous

  • Rizzop

    To “DANTE SEVERE ” whatever the fuck that means
    I respect that you posted her reply. Oh, and Rizzop2003 is a retard.

    Please explain how im a retard, because you must be illiterate.(pretty good for a retard!)
    If you didnt read(if you can)the article, shwe basically blamed a young black mans murder on the fact that BET markets violence to youth in general without mention the fact of who owns the very companies that do the marketing in the first place. At that who is it that brought the black man to the country and placed us in horrible living conditions to begin with? Instead of just writing someone is a retard please write more than a sentence to defend your statement…Or is that all you know how to write?……retard

  • http://www.myspace.com/meanassmo Marvelous Mo

    Granted lots of people are into sports, but how many people are influenced by music…specifically Hollywood and hip hop? So, Sick’s rebuttal might not have been as strong as we expected, which many have declared as a loss, but from the looks of it he got a lot of people thinking about her views. The audience he is exposing it to who needs to see this isn’t really the same audience J. Hill might be able to target and spark. It’s interesting to see how many people view blacks and one of the most influential cultures world wide and how so many don’t agree with her. Besides victors of war doesn’t necessarily have to win every battle.

    I REALLY hate to say it this way but: men lie, women lie, [black mortality] numbers don’t.

    Where’s the rebuttal in that?

  • http://www.myspace.com/thabestlicker Maggie H.

    freedom of speech sick’ i feel u for wanting to respond, but if this stuff keeps occuring, then shes going to look more and more right. eventhough she is wrong….but im kinda surprised in you throwing in the “oreo” reference and referring to her as a “bitc…..”. youre bigger than that.

  • http://sexy-results.blogspot.com Ian

    Even before I choose to take sides, I think Ms. Hill needs a spellchecker. LOL “homocide.”

  • Thomas

    Sick,

    Way off base with comments. Both of you make valid points, but the name calling wasn’t needed. You sound like Jeezy during the Monie Love interview.

  • eryerure

    you lost.

  • Fernando

    NickenNitro,

    People like you are probably why black on black crime is on the rise and not the decline.

    Her statements that America worships violence and that Blacks are more affected by it DO NOT lack support like you said. I dont know how you can deny either of those statements.
    Your quips about her references to Terrorism are retarded. Tank Johnson had a ridiculous amount of Guns at his pad>>> Hence the reference to how it could supply a terrorist faction. And her remark about “drug dealers & thugs Terrorizing the community”, clearly has no link to Terrorism like you tried to point out. Terrorize has nothing to do with Terrorists, get a thesaurus retard.

    Michael Jackson IS selling out. I cant believe you are coming down on a black sports writer who has the guts to point out the perils of the black community & black on black crime yet you stand up for a Pork-Faced sellout who molests little kids and exploits his black fan-base. I agree that T.I’s in charge of all media regulate what comes out.

    Your last quip about how rappers are Not to blame, might be right, but your reason is stupid. You said they are not to blame because white people listen to it. WTF??? What does what white people llisten to have to do with it?? Young black kids are the ones that see people of the same ethnicity acting like thugs and gangsters and getting paid for it. They dont see enough Stan O’Neil’s (CEO at Merrill Lynch), or Stephen A Smiths (Sports Writer) to look up to as “cool”. White kids might listen to rap, but they also realize that sh*t is entertainment and not supposed to be lived out (most of the time. I know there are a few wiggers that get thugged out, but you get the point) Since many black kids are raised in rough communities, the thugged out avenue glorified by rappers and the companies that promote these kinds of rappers, seem like the logical choice for a carreer or a way of life. The “im just reporting whats going on in the community” excuse is lame.

    Im torn on this, because I like violent, drug related rap. I like Brotha Lynch, Mac Dre, Boot Camp, and all sorts of stuff, but I also understand that it is entertainment and most rappers arent living what they rap. But unfortunately the black youth sees it all as “REAL” and see nothing but positives coming from selling 20 Kilos of coke. They dont see the felony convictions, the families destroyed, etc. etc.

    I guess I would just like to see more rappers tell the kids “this is JUST ENTERTAINMENT. GO TO COLLEGE, GET A DEGREE. MAKE SOME REAL MONEY. YOU CAN STILL BUY OUR ALBUMS AND FEEL OUR MUSIC, BUT DO NOT IMITATE OR TRY TO LIVE A LIFE BASED ON THE STORIES WE RAP ABOUT” But that would never happen.

    Thats all I got on this one.

  • Fernando

    Marvelous,

    You can always go back to “the white man put us in bad conditions, slavery, introduced drugs to us, etc. etc.” Which are all real, and essentially good points that cannot be denied.

    But…..will that ever get you anywhere?? Deflecting blame (which is entitled because of what white people did in the past) and never owning up to what is happening NOW will never yield progress. So things will just get worse and worse in the black community with regards to violence, and instead of saying “Wow, our community really is f*cked up! we need to stop worshiping Young Jeezy and look up to successful businessmen instead. We live in the richest country in the world, which gives grants & loans for college, internet access for jobs, food stamps, well-fare, and every opportunity you could ask for!” You just blame the white man (which is justified) and move on. You can blame whitey all you want, but I guarantee nothing good will come of it.

  • EReal

    First of all this was supposed to be a sports story, so i dont get that part. But, for her to say that its no surpirse that Williams was shot because of statistics is assinine, no matter which way you slice it. She bases her argument also on the plight of lower class blacks, which williams was not. He was a clean cut guy, with no prior history of violence or actin out, who was a professional football player and millionaire.. one of those “good” role models. So that part i completely dont agree with, which was supposed to be the point of the story, not some sermon about how black people are brining this shit on them selves. So in that point I think she lost.
    Thats like sayin the white cats that were killed by Dahmer and other serial killers deserved it because america has an obsession with serial killers and their films and actions and profiles, I.E. SAW, or MARSHAL MATHERS LP. I mean come on!
    I do agree that the YOUTH are affected by what rappers and telivision are saying, but thats where PARENTS need to do their JOB. I mean come on, maybe when youre a lil kid that shit seems feesable, but after you see a few friends, or even family members killed or arrested, you start to think different.. thats if you have half a brain.
    Thats really where it comes down to, to me. The parents need to raise their kids right and keep an eye on what is goin down, keep em in school, give them goals, and have a plan to get them to college or other education or careers. Theres lots of ways out, trust me im not rich or even middle class and I found one.. parents need to get on their job.
    I didnt find her arguments moving or supportive, except in GENERALIZED ways.. an I thought they were weak.
    I think Sick had a reason to be offended and reply the way he did.. and he did burn her ass. IMO its just the elegant way she wrote her rebuttle up and said “college educated black woman” is not a sell out thats swayin yall.
    I call it a draw because Sick went below the belt quick, if he had stated a more opinionated and less personally attacking response I woulda called it for Sick,
    to me its a draw.
    Good post tho.
    One.
    Philly to tha 407!
    Got one championship last night!
    Now its on to the NO where the Eagles are gonna FLY EAGLES FLY!!!
    Had to do it to ya Sick.

  • loosenut

    This was a stalemate. If you read her column it does sound that way because we are thinking she is saying that. After reading again and seeing her reply maybe she wasn’t saying that…Nah that hoe was saying just what Sick said, then she backed up and backed it with 1999 Statistics…One more year and my death will be a suprise…Yes…
    Murder by gun Cleared…Murder by AIDS cleared…Yes…LOL Peace…

  • http://myspace.com/uzibaby UZ

    i don fuck wit this comment shit too tough, but damn…..

    it’s like your whole convo was already a lot. then these comments, b – lord.

    you handled your Self very appropriately. it takes strong verbiage to shake people out their co(on)coons. what fucked me up is….”I care enough about our people to want to help change them and our thinking.” telling.

    our, then them, then our. she acknowledges wanting to think differently, but not a desire to change her Self.

    Intellectualism being what it is – superficial, but you know so much facts you can fake true understanding – she’d like to “change” “our (her included) thinking”. but wholesale change: “I…want to help to change them”.

    praying jemele civilizes many a savage, manifests many a destiny, and tells the white man “give that burden here, suh!”

    n the comments… sick lost? what about the bronco (no o.j.)? his kids? who loses when that shit can get written about? who loses when those among us who reach many despise their Self? who? n after all that college too?

    kanye IS a genius – uz

    myspace.com/uzibaby

  • http://www.myspace.com/meanassmo Marvelous Mo

    “I do agree that the YOUTH are affected by what rappers and telivision are saying, but thats where PARENTS need to do their JOB. I mean come on, maybe when youre a lil kid that shit seems feesable, but after you see a few friends, or even family members killed or arrested, you start to think different.. thats if you have half a brain.”

    Not everyone have grown up lucky enough to have two (or one) parents/guardians who CARE about the amount of bull shit they intake. You have the hot mamas who is trying to rejuvinate their love lives, the 10 double shift working mothers struggling trying to make ends meet, the dead beats (mothers and fathers)…blah blah blah.

    Parents need to regulate…good one. But seriously, WHERE ARE THE PARENTS?

  • sparky

    She’s right, and unlike you, doesn’t stoop to the level of name-calling, which undermines any chance you may have had at being persuasive.

  • kevin

    good shit sic, forget arguments and such, its about wrong or right, and you are right on this one 100 %. the messed up thing about it is she really belives that bullshit she wrote and a whole lot of other black people do too…. talking about BET selling out…. how about them crakas at ESPN, and how they portray black men as dumb and hostile.

  • Danja29

    Sorry homie- you made very good points, but that last paragraph of hers in the response ethered your “sellout” accusations.

    You mighta been better just discussing the issue- but when it got to callin’ her an Oreo, she debunked allll that shit w/ that last paragraph.

  • gees dat dude

    the young woman wrote a very poignant article about the tragedy of a young a young mans death who seemingly had every thing to live for. For you to go out of your way to question her blackness and call her an oreo and a bitch was kinda fucked up. Every thing she said was true.If young black men didnt glorify violence and think that shit was cool black men wouldnt be getting shot the fuck up by other black men every day. Almost all you dumb asses that agreed wit Sick on this seemed to blame the white man and racism while that has some part to play in the equation we as black men still have to make choices and live with the consequences of those choices. her article was not an indictment on the victims of violence it was a critique of the society that we live in. of all the racist white people that control the wealth and power in this country not one of them has ever put a gun in your hand and made you pull the trigger and i can almost certainly say a white man didnt make them mafuckas shoot Darrent Williams.

  • NickeNitro

    Great point UZ.

    More quiperizing:

    Here’s the thing — Jemele Hill claims that she’s “trying to change a destructive mentality,” but what does her article really serve to do?

    To me, all her article does is reinforce a whole bunch of really negative, racist stereotypes and attitudes. And permeation of these stereotypes and attitudes ends up being the reason why the violence never gets fixed. Because it’s a lot easier for people who didn’t grow up in poor neighborhoods to make a “cursory glance”
    and blame the negative things happening there on black people and BET and rappers than to really assess the problems.

    Problems like the fact that there aren’t enough jobs paying decent wages and the inexcusable lack of a social safety net in the US.
    Problems like the crime that the US spent less than 0.0025 of what it spent on defense on education for the disadvantaged in 2006.
    Problems like how all the guns and drugs are getting to poor neighborhoods and where they’re all coming from in the first place.

    C’mon. With all the thousands of arrests in these areas for drugs and gun violence, why is it that we never here about the main suppliers being caught? We never even hear about there being an investigation. What, there’s never any leads? Please. And don’t tell me it’s some rapper saying “stop snitchin.’” Regardless of what funny-ass Rick Ross says, there’s no one living in the ghetto has any ability to make real connections with international drug and arms smugglers. The drugs and guns are being fed there as part of the only war the US government has really fought since WWII: The War on the Poor.

    Words are powerful. When Jemele Hill writes an article blaming these problems on black people, rappers, Michael Jackson, etc., it distracts people from the real problems. If people can’t see the real problems, they won’t get solved. What she’s doing is nothing more than creating a destructive mentality. By essentially perpetuating the violence, her words are violence in and of themselves.

  • http://... J Beezy

    Way I see it, this chick lost.

    She did sound like a white middle aged white women the first time around. She doesnt realise that black youth attaching themselves to these movies is more than just down to ignorance and lack of role models…it’s down jus down to a lack of education. Scarface does have a moral story to tell, that was dumb. You forget the reason he dies? He didnt want to kill a wife and kids. He loves his sister to the point he murdered his best friend. It was a twisted tale of morals, and thats why Scarface isnt just another gangster movie. Godfather? I aint gonna lie, that is a tale of sacrifice as well as being straight crack.

    Sickamore, I think this girl did jus need a quick ‘fuck outta here’ for her first post, but she made more sense the 2nd time.

  • http://www.myspace.com/meanassmo Marvelous Mo

    Fernando,

    I replied to your response yesterday but it didn’t post for some reason. So…Here I am giving it a shot one more time.

    You are right, there are just facts that will lead the discussion and road to solution into a complete cycle and lead to nowhere. However, I wouldn’t say I was proving my point by pointing my finger at whitey. As a matter of fact, at this point pointing the finger gets you absolutely nowhere.

    You said it very well yourself: “Young black kids are the ones that see people of the same ethnicity acting like thugs and gangsters and getting paid for it. They don’t see enough Stan O’Neils (CEO at Merrill Lynch), or Stephen A. Smiths (Sports Writer) to look up to as “cool”. White kids might listen to rap, but they also realize that sh*t is entertainment and not supposed to be lived out…”

    ALL CHILDREN admire a person with power, respect, and (now a days) money. White children can see their uncle, father, grand father, their neighbor, or anyone else become the H.N.I.C. at a Fortune 500 company. They know that it is realistic and have possible opportunities to get there. Specifically Black American children don’t have too many people to look up to. Children are sponges. They absorb every damn thing that is dished to them regardless if they [are able to] agree with it or not. So, when it comes to thinking about the rest of your life and identifying with people like you, with the knowledge of the slave legacy and history of equality in this country, will you look to admire Merrill Lynching Stan O’Neils (who???) or Crack moving Jeezy (yeeeeeah)? They look to people they can relate to, and if Jeezy (since you briefly mentioned him) is speaking their language about how to get money, power, and respect, then his movement is powerful as all hell. His message along with others might be the most powerful, but who else is going to influence children of color? This is what is happening right now, no finger pointing at all. So I’m not blaming whitey for anything, because whitey has had a strong hold grip on how shit is regulated from education to media to politics. My whole thing is having someone of color to change that tradition whitey has had for centuries to make a difference in our community. What if someone of color ran Viacom? What if they redirected the future of music and entertainment and gave children who only see/hear a “thug life” as the only life more options to live their lives? They can be more conscious about what is going on around them and be able to think outside of their environment.

    Anyway, for years “we” have been reactive. If J. Hill feels that strongly about how things are and where the root of the problem points to [I don’t cosign with her btw], then her happy ass should be proactive in a solution. I kinda view her as a Condolezza writing that article. Catch whitey saying what J. Hill wrote on ESPN or any other publicly respected website and they will be crucified. Catch J. Hill writing that and…well…the most you’ll get is :

    “It’s Uncle Tom’s…excuse me…Auntie Tomika’s like you who set African Americans like me back 50 years…

    “Hey ESPN.com,
    I’m a black female journalist saying Darrent Williams was killed because he was rich and black. Out of the box thinking right? Let me know if you’re interested. And anytime you need a conservative black voice, just give me a ring.
    Sincerely your nigga,
    Jemele Hill”
    See you at the club bitc..I mean sis.
    Truly Yours
    Sickamore
    myspace.com/makeyoufamous”

    [in my opinion]

  • Fernando

    NickeNitro,

    You make good points, but………

    You cant deny that idolizing crack dealers is probably not good for the community. Im not saying we should crucify the Rappers (cause I like all kinds of rap and think it is an extremely important art form), but I see all these young kids dropping out of school and trying to be like Birdman or Gucci Mane, and that dream will come true for about 1 out of 1,000,000. The rest will die or go to jail for trying to be like their favorite MC (underline the word MC! cause most these dudes aint pushin weight) Thats all I got

  • Native Son

    Sick you got her on that one. Real talk! Her points are well made, many of them are true, but she was wrong for making Darrent Wiliams the poster child for this article. There has been no evidence yet, to support her assertion that his death is just “typical”. It kind of makes you think she was just an opportunist waiting for something to happen to drop this article,regardless of the facts. But you lost me with the uncle tom aspect tho. Can we have constructive criticism without name calling? I guess thats just the Malcolm in you.

  • http://dronkmunk.blogspot.com dronkmunk

    So, she is a sell-out just cause she is airing out some dirty laundry? I think she, (and bill cosby) are both right about how our community is destroying itself. Its the mentality that keeps us from discussing it openly that is going to keep us back. Sick’s issue with her whole article was that she seemed to say that it was expected that dude would get killed, but he had nothing to say about any of the other points in the article and certainly did not provide any counter argument to her counter arguement, instead relaying it to all of you syncophants! This is weak and I dont even know why you would post this when clearly she ethered your 1980′s ass

  • chizamp

    Damn Sick…keep it real..i would have not posted that shit up here like you did…because…she defended what she wrote with fact’s…and made you look a little retarded…but thats not the point…you were right for replying to what she wrote…but the way you did it wasnt to brite…it’s all good though…you get an A for effort

  • http://www.myspace.com/meanassmo Marvelous Mo

    What dirty laundry did she air out? She wrote her piece as if she was airing out dirty laundry on Darrent Wiliams like he had a track record similar to Bobby Brown or something…but he doesn’t. The brotha doesn’t have anything to air out [so far] to lead to her conclusion.

    what you talk’um ’bout?

  • E AKA THE REAL NORIEAGA

    Where’s the verse of the week?

  • the ORIGINAL nineteen80sbaby

    sickamore

    you got sonned

    go back to tryin to make generic dboys famous and writing shitty blogs once a month.

  • daesonesb

    The problem is her acting like its the black communities fault that the murder rate is so high.
    LIke black people had a meeting one day and said “lets shoot eachother more often, what a great idea!”

    People are products of their environments. Rich black kids livin in the burbs arent the ones pulling the triggers, its the motherfuckers with nothing to lose — that cat that is marginalized and desperate as fuck.

    If you dont think that marginalization and classism occurs institutionally in the US, just check out American public schools. Go to one in Harlem, Philly, any major working class city … then tell me who has the advantages handed to them.

  • Alison

    Ms. Hill’s points are actually strengthened by your comments. I admire her willingness to step up to your criticisms. Not enough sports writers acknowledge the tragic endings that take place off the field. If she’s making an argument that you do not feel is valid, then you must accept what she says first instead of flying off the handle with insults.

  • doowb

    you’re a horrible a&r, horrible blogger, and a a miscreant. In short fuck you sickamore. That lady was right and you fuckin know it.

  • You Lost One

    A real “oreo” is a black man who calls a black woman a b*tch or a n*gger. WTF is wrong with you? Next time you choose to go to war with someone who clearly is smarter than you, be more professional, dawg.

  • http://dallaspenn.com/weblog/?page_id=291 Dallas

    Give credit to Sickamore for trying to get after it.

    Give credit to Sickamore for showing the XXL family that even though he gets ethered on the internets at least he manns up and keeps it moving.

    Sickamore did catch a bullet to the dome on that one too.

  • Jerz!

    I’m gonna start reading this woman’s work because she just killed you and that was a wonderful argument. I post on these very rarely and that did it for me.

  • P

    NickeNitro:

    Word, again

  • EReal

    Just an update, on my comment.
    Another white serial killer movie is comin out, this time it’s ZODIAC.
    I guess according to Jamele Hill, we shouldnt be surprised when more cracka ass crackas get killed by and or become serial killers huh?
    Look out CAC’s!!
    1 hunned.

  • BUCK

    I have to say that there are very good points made by both parties. However, if we are going decide who is right or wrong, it would have be the both of you. Sick, I see your point on why does it have to be expected that an african american athelete dies when he did nothing to bring that type of trouble to himself. he didn’t have any prior situations that would lead us to believe it neither. I believe that there is a pattern in the way we keep dying for no real reason other than fabricated lifestyles that we try so hard imitate but that wasn’t the case here. this was pure sensless violence. On the other hand, truth be told that if this was a white athelete, there would be no article to debate about which leads to the conclusion that her article is somewhat irrelevant to Darrent Williams death. however, she had a point because although this should not apply darrent williams, it does apply to the millions of other death that happen in our community every day. I see her point and that aspect but what made it worse is the name calling. Surely between two ‘educated’ journalists you would find better ways stress your points than name calling. this really was a blow for you Sick. It made you not only sensitive but it sends a message that you as a young black man who so happens to work for a hiphop magazine cannot be taken seriously and should not be considered a formidable opponent in a debate. And Ms. Hill was not smart for trying call out ‘dumb rappers’ or placing the blame on BET. Certainly a black woman who went would know that a company cannot be blame for a mentality that has been stitched in African American mind long before BET. It also starts at home with family. For the record: as far as trying to change a destructive mentality, I have not seen how you have done that by pointing out the obvious. I watch American and what it has shown me is that when it comes to some of the most feared and respected criminals of our time, these gentlemen only did what they thought they had to do live a better life. Do I condone it? HELL NO!!!!!!!! But does it explain why alot of our young men (especially rappers) try to live and die by their code? HELL YES!!!! Can it be a Lesson for our youth on what not to do? HELL Yeah!!!!!! Simply put She is not an aunt tomika because she wrote what she feels. If that is the case then Both of you would be Sellouts. However her should be just that: an opinion and if she did not like feedback that she has gotten my advice would be not put articles that only show one side.

  • http://dsf cvcxx

    good job on making yourself look like a fuckin asshole, sickamore.

  • http://NONE KILLA BLACK

    Its sad cause its the carb in the bucket sindrom, us black people dont like to see other black people be sucessful, like they feel God is giving out one blessing every ten years. Plus this generations of haters are more ruthless than years before,insted of working hard for what they want and setting goals, they rather it be handed to them, or just take it. Too many single parent homes, no fathers in young mens lives, too many young uneducated parents, its sad, but i think HIPHOP can save us, this is the only music that can touch the uneducated, and having faith in jesus, REAL HIPHOP (myspace,com/ATLAS)(myspace.com/Blu-Black).

  • http://NONE KILLA BLACK

    Its sad cause its the carb in the bucket sindrom, us black people dont like to see other black people be sucessful, like they feel God is giving out one blessing every ten years. Plus this generations of haters are more ruthless than years before,insted of working hard for what they want and setting goals, they rather it be handed to them, or just take it. Too many single parent homes, no fathers in young mens lives, too many young uneducated parents, its sad, but i think HIPHOP can save us, this is the only music that can touch the uneducated, and having faith in jesus, REAL HIPHOP (myspace,com/ATLAS)(myspace.com/Blu-Black).

  • http://NONE KILLA BLACK

    Its sad cause its the carb in the bucket sindrom, us black people dont like to see other black people be sucessful, like they feel God is giving out one blessing every ten years. Plus this generations of haters are more ruthless than years before,insted of working hard for what they want and setting goals, they rather it be handed to them, or just take it. Too many single parent homes, no fathers in young mens lives, too many young uneducated parents, its sad, but i think HIPHOP can save us, this is the only music that can touch the uneducated, and having faith in jesus, REAL HIPHOP (myspace,com/ATLAS)(myspace.com/Blu-Black).

  • http://NONE KILLA BLACK

    Its sad cause its the carb in the bucket sindrom, us black people dont like to see other black people be sucessful, like they feel God is giving out one blessing every ten years. Plus this generations of haters are more ruthless than years before,insted of working hard for what they want and setting goals, they rather it be handed to them, or just take it. Too many single parent homes, no fathers in young mens lives, too many young uneducated parents, its sad, but i think HIPHOP can save us, this is the only music that can touch the uneducated, and having faith in jesus, REAL HIPHOP (myspace,com/ATLAS)(myspace.com/Blu-Black).

  • http://NONE KILLA BLACK

    Its sad cause its the carb in the bucket sindrom, us black people dont like to see other black people be sucessful, like they feel God is giving out one blessing every ten years. Plus this generations of haters are more ruthless than years before,insted of working hard for what they want and setting goals, they rather it be handed to them, or just take it. Too many single parent homes, no fathers in young mens lives, too many young uneducated parents, its sad, but i think HIPHOP can save us, this is the only music that can touch the uneducated, and having faith in jesus, REAL HIPHOP (myspace,com/ATLAS)(myspace.com/Blu-Black).

  • Reggie DMC

    I read everything and I gotta say I agree and disagree with both parties. I love the blogs you write Sickamore, but to call her an Oreo was crossing a line. No offense, but who are you to call someone else who is black an oreo? I’d ask the question to you, what is it to be an oreo? If there’s a definition of some kind, the next question is what is it to be “black”? I’ve never come across a definition of what it is to be black. A conceptualization of what is black is different from a definition of what it is to be black, but that is an entirely different blog/comment conversation. That’s like saying the black community needs to unite, but not for nothing, I don’t consider everyone who’s the same complexion as me to be my brother or sister, and deep down most ppl probably feel that way. I do agree that she missed the point though. Anyone can throw out stats, but stats are nothing without a theory. So its not the males ages 16-24 that is alarming to me, but what why is it that these kids are dying? Are they not aware of the violence problem? Have they not been taught to stay away from these parasites that choke the life out of the community? Have they not been educated? What about their family situation? There needs to be a serious discussion to address the problem. Name calling and conservatism isn’t going to do anything for anyone. It’s like what Eldrige Cleever said one time. If you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem.

  • Crazy J

    All I have to say is while we may not be in control of what is on tv, radio, and movie screens, we’re to blame for buying into that bullshit. The white man doesn’t make you go out and buy a “Scarface” poster, we choose to throw our money away. We have more of a choice than some of you will admit to.

  • Dadon

    Truth be told,all “real talk” aside,this shit is pandemic on a triple beam scale.Most of us Afro-Latin-Americans are in a trap,hence the popular phrase of trapper,trap house.Literally in the fuckin trap house.Money means nothing in the eyes of death.Yes we do,as a culture,worship the life,not the Maker.It’s not a matter of who,when,where and why,we all have to die.Mass media,on the other hand,distorts and romanticizes shit to the point of more death,accumulating more dough for their bosses.This is a man’s life we’re talkin here,not some blogbattling spectacle.Rich,poor,black,brown,red,and white,someone too will be writing your obituary.Happy MLK Day,rest and peace to Darrent Williams.

    “Unless you repent,you too will likewise perish” -Jesus of Nazereth

  • icon (Trillbert Arenas)

    Sickmore got schooled, lol

  • http://www.myspace.com/daojones1 daojones

    got merked

  • Native Son

    Even after reading everybody’s comments, I still maintain that Sick got that one. She was off point, off base, off the cuff, with the Darrent Williams aspect. Some straight Bill Cosby shit! Don’t exploit his death and blow up his untimely passing to validate (your criticisms) what we already know about black America. Only point she made against you was on the name calling aspect. other than that she was wrong, even with her disclaimers. Much respect for posting this one it made a brotha reflect.

  • therealwayno

    It’s a lot of xtra sensitive niggas on the internet. She could’ve worded somethings better and maybe left more room for other arguements to pacify niggas but damn.

    Sick u pretty much came back with some highschool shit keeping up to par with ur typical entries.

    To be real, I’m a black male in my late 20′s (70′s baby). Where I’m from most of my niggas don’t feel safe unless they got the pistol with them. Why? Cause we know how niggas get down, point blank period.

    On the whole, minus a few issues she came with some real foood for thought, and u responded kinda like a *bitch* (no disrespect) with that Uncle Tom shit. You takin notes from Bol?

  • CALI DRO

    hahahaha sick
    yous a sensitive ass nigga!!!!
    niggas die everyday, it is what it is!!!

  • Darko2

    THEREALWAYNO got it about right, Sick. You better bring something a little stronger if u respond. I wouldn’t bother if I was u.

    But if u do, how about this:

    I think Jamele is wrong on BET being a cause of violence and gangster culture, they only reflect what’s really happening. But that should scare us even more. Sensitive guys with guns. Is that what we’ve become? Every year more brothas kill brothas than ever was lynched during the whole history of the old south. We blame whites, we blame police, we blame guns, we blame TV channels and gangster movies. Wonder why there’s discrimination and profiling? Oh, sorry, maybe I’m goin 2 far here.

    P.S. What’s wrong with being an Oreo? You never know, one just might be your next president.

  • http://www.myspace.com/thatsallenone all-en1

    Sic I agree with you. The 1 point i would make is that the reason African American males tend to like the movie Scarface isnt for the coke or the fast life. Its the fact that a refugee from another country could make a name for himself in a society that thinks all he should do is cut grass. Its similar to how African Americans that come up out of the projects to be successful, ie your Jay-Z, Nas, Jeezy. We shouldn’t celebrate their time on the block, but celebrate the time they put in to get better lives.

  • Cuban Link

    A real sellout is a drug dealer who’ll setup shop on his grandmother’s corner, but wouldn’t DARE do that crap in a white neighborhood.

    Well duh ud get ur ass locked up in a white neighborhood!

    Co-sign with Sic, and the dude above me.Scarface is another version of Rocky.They are both true underdog stories, and both work hard to get what they had.Although Scarface is filled with drugs, its the underdog aspect that gets people.

  • Cuban Link

    A real sellout is a drug dealer who’ll setup shop on his grandmother’s corner, but wouldn’t DARE do that crap in a white neighborhood.

    Well duh ud get ur ass locked up in a white neighborhood!

    Co-sign with Sic, and the dude above me.Scarface is another version of Rocky.They are both true underdog stories, and both work hard to get what they had.Although Scarface is filled with drugs, its the underdog aspect that gets people.

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  • Lion XL

    Yo sic..I normally don’t like you (or least your position on shit, 60′s baby here, so F you) but I cosign with you 100 on this. Her arguments are pretty baseless and not factual. That dude from blink 187 as well as Travis Barker, and many other ‘WHITE’ artists have that same scarface poster on their wall. So why is it a ‘BLACK’ thing.

    the only people who expect us to die are the WHITE or the wanna be WHITE, you know the real TI’s that try to control everything they touch. Which is the problem cuz they can’t control us all, so they try to divide and conquer us.

  • NastyNasirr

    what a boring and self congratulatory blog entry. is that what sickamore has been reduced to? wasnt he on the cusp of making it big with managing artists and then got ethered out of deals and now he is trying for a ghetto pulitzer? 80′s baby lost.

  • Snakeyez

    Sorry sistas right. I love my rap gangsta and all but we all know that 90% of it is bullshite that a lot of people buy into and blur reality from fantasy.
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    Darrent Williams shouldn’t have died but I would bet he was at a “Black” club. Now we all know what a “Black” club is and what is liable to go down at the “Black” club, because we’ve either been or refuse to go.
    BET should be ashamed of the American Gangsters show. It does glorify these men and inspire younger men to do it like them except avoid the pitfalls those guys made. Period. Don’t lie to yourself.
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  • NickeNitro

    Sic, did you get shot at a club by a trigger-happy, gun-toting black person or something? They’re all over these days you know, and they love the violence, so I hope you’ve been watching your back.

  • Why You So Mad at Your Black Sister, Sick?

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    Unfortunately, it turns out that Sickamore is committing Black on Black crime himself with his assault on Jemele Hill. Jemele used write sports for the paper at the crib so I recognize her name from there and from being on Stephen A’s show sometimes. She always seemed reasonable so I was surprised Sick called her an Oreo, but I hadn’t read her article yet. I figured maybe she wasn’t as reasonable as I assumed she was. But once I read her article I still didn’t understand why Sick came at her like that.

    What Jemele said sounds like the same thing many Black people say – which is “stop glorifying violence.” She didn’t say D. Williams deserved to die, she just said she wasn’t surprised something like that happened given the culture these days. Sick you a young boy, when get a little older you might be able to get with what she’s saying a little better. What you wrote is a bad look.

  • MsNas

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  • blergmatic

    I read the article while it was on espn.com as well and I felt the exact same way Sick did. What I read was two subjects combined into one article. Neither one had a direct effect on the other. Maybe she wrote it with the intent of “enlightening” black folk, but all it did was reinforce the sterotypes and views that white people have of the black community. No black person that read that article is all of a sudden going to stop banging or selling dope. None of us is going to start organizing neighborhood watches and leading marches onto the state capitol. However, the white people who think all blacks are “worshiping at the altar of their own demise” will continue to feel that way.

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