Screw working for the man

If major record labels can’t promote hip-hop anyway, why do rappers even bother with them?

You have to assume this is on the mind of an artist like Method Man, whose last album only sold something like 60,000 copies its first week out and has most likely since slid off the charts entirely. (I’d check to make sure, but who gives a shit anyway?)

Could Mr. Mef have sold just as many copies without the backing of the almighty Def Jam machine? It’s hard to say. On the one hand, I’m not aware of too much that Def Jam actually did for the album anyway. Were there any videos made? Probably not.

Granted, Method Man himself is at least partly to blame for his album’s commercial failure. But the point remains: hardly anyone knew or gave a shit about the fact that Meth had an album coming out and hence not very many people ran out and copped it.

So it stands to reason that 4:21: The Day After could’ve done about as well had Method Man released it himself independently. But here’s the thing: he almost certainly would’ve made more money, even if the album didn’t do nearly as well.

How much more? It’s hard to say, but it could’ve been quite a bit. The trend these days among a lot of has-been rock groups has been to put out albums on their own labels and collect basically all of the revenue, save for a small distribution fee.

And thanks to new technologies such as digital downloads through services like iTunes, ringtones, USB flash drives and what have you, said distribution costs are relatively minimal. Obviously it costs a lot less to sell an album over the Internets than actually ship it somewhere.

Take for example the Canadian rock band Barenaked Ladies. They claim to have grossed somewhere in the neighborhood of [Dr. Evil voice] one million dollars in the first week of sales for their recent Barenaked Ladies Are Me. It only sold about 8,000 copies in the US that week.

If I had a million dollars, indeed.

Granted, major record labels are still useful to the extent that they can’t create superstars on the level of a Jay-Z or a 50 Cent. But in cases where they obviously can’t, I don’t see why artists should bother with them any longer.

  • sojazzy

    first?

  • James

    First My brothers and sisters, why do we always have to say teh N or teh B word.

    Indeed independent is the way 2 go

  • DREDRICK TATUM

    SECOND! I TOTALLY AGREE!

  • http://www.okayplayer.com Spark

    And so whats ur point go solo (no han)
    u need a machine behind u to have the proper sound and all the expensive shit to master and all ne-wayz.Hip Hop is fucking done son. like i read yesturday go cop a classic between 1993-97.

  • http://www.chronikill.com ROX ONE

    ^I’m pretty sure method man has enough money lying around to master his album in a studio.

  • http://www.okayplayer.com Spark

    ya but not in THE studio

  • Fernando

    Why do you think none of the Bay-Area rappers want to sign with major labels??? These dudes are making almost a Million every time they drop an album and they only have to sell 30-40,00 units.

    They dont need the national fame when they can sit back & release an album every 6 months & collect their paper

  • http://www.allhiphop.com,Version=1,Version=1,Version=1 Rey

    Hmm, that’s alot of hostility for a blog that has nothing to do with Lupe or UGK. Rough day at the BGM, Bol?

  • Fernando

    You can be a regional superstar & make as much as a national star.

    Why am I not suprised that Bol referenced The BareNaked Ladies?

  • http://www.allhiphop.com,Version=1,Version=1,Version=1 Rey

    Altho I do agree with this one.

  • Were Read 2 Def

    Who gives a fuck bout sales or how much money they make, so long as they make good album like Meth did with The Day After. If rappers r in the game to get rich, then get the fuck out. It’s supposed to b bout the music.

  • http://www.allhiphop.com,Version=1,Version=1,Version=1 Rey

    lol @ Fern. Bol’s just bitter cuz he had a rough halloween. Ever since he registered other parents stopped bringing their kids to his house for trick or treating. Now he isn’t getting any. No Jibbs.

  • JEZ

    This fool answered his own question. You can’t become 50 Cent or Eminem or Game or Jay-Z without that major machine behind you. And everyone wants to be a superstar, they’re not willing to settle upfront on being the “broke” rapper. Most would rather take the gamble, but once you sign on its hard to get away.

  • Atl’s own

    100% acts u spittin’

  • http://www.myspace.com/deensekou sATaLyte

    Geez at what point in musical history did sales cease to matter.

    Of course sales matter, I don’t know the last time I heard a black person doing anything strictly for the love.

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  • E.Williams

    Independant money is where its at.Get smarter rap niggas!

  • gluvnast

    that’s why cube, as well as flavor flav, are the smartest men in the biz right now…because they’re completely independant…cube went gold without much promotional buzz and clocked in an easy 10 Million because all that revenue is returning back to him…flav, even if his 1st week sales are at 60,000…with practically free promotion due to the mega-sucess of the show and no video whutsoever…he’s coming out like a fat rat…i’ve been schoolin’ some of these kids that that’s the way to go when you already got a loyal fanbase….the major label game should ONLY be for rookies that just coming out…to develope they skill as an artist…once you receive a loyal fanbase…go independant…sure you’re spending your own money trying to market and promote, but why not THE ROOTS just go independant??? they sell out their shows EVERYTIME and EVERYWHERE…they got a secure fanbase…think of the extra $$$$ they can benifit from!!!

  • http://xxlmag.com Bol

    >I don’t know the last time I heard a black person doing anything strictly for the love.

    Well, I blog mostly for the love.

  • Fernando

    Bol blogs for the groupies (Dj-NCred)

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    can you say Master P…why didn’t you mention him with this topic…he serves as a perfect example for all those who wanna sell units and make money at the same time…

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    step you game up Bol

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    oh I forgot Bol hates on the South like a lot of you other hatin ass mofos…

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    there you bitch ass (fernando) go again…I stay on your mind like my latest draft pick…

  • Atl’s own

    Were Read 2 Def Says:

    November 2nd, 2006 at 2:01 pm
    Who gives a fuck bout sales or how much money they make, so long as they make good album like Meth did with The Day After. If rappers r in the game to get rich, then get the fuck out. It’s supposed to b bout the music.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Wrong! 100% wrong as wrong can be!

    U do realize rappers are actual people, i hope?

    And much like all people they need food, shelter, clothes, child support money…etc.

    and as U may be aware of none of those things are free!

    so how do U suppose they make money.
    Here’s a hint get a job!

    it just so happen that rappers jobs are to create albums that sell, which produce income.

    but not just make ne old album they must create albums that:

    a. are hip-hop classics
    b. they really like
    c. are the most gangsta ever
    d. music from their heart
    e. keep it real
    f. none of the above

    the correct answer is:

    f. none of the above

    choices a-e conflict with each other one way or another!

    in fact rappers must make albums that people are willing to buy!

    everything else is seconary!

  • Freshman_Woes

    Meth could do 50,000 units independently!

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    ATL’s OWN shut your stupid ass up…what a idiot…the sad part is that he thinks he made a good argument…NOT…

  • y_a_b_o_y

    yea Bol you are pretty right. this is kinda old news tho ever since sheek told everyone how much you made on an independent label. being pushed by a major takes care of most of the legwork but independent brings you the dough.

    Someone posted a comment that says who cares about the money, its about the music. I AGREE with that. you dont have to have tons of money to be considered a great musician.

    im tired and semi piffed out. peace………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………… hey bol trip and fall…………………………….

  • e aka the real noreiaga

    Major labels are only for rappers that have superstar potential and great charisma(which is very rare)

    My only guess is these guys want fame more than money because the bay and the south are perfect examples on independent grinding.

  • y_a_b_o_y

    HEY BOL WRITE A POST ABOUT HOW ASHAMED IT MAKES YOU FEEL TO ‘BOB AND WEAVE’ IN ANOTHER MAN’S LAP.

  • k-rizzy

    What is the BGM

  • Atl’s own

    The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE Says:

    November 2nd, 2006 at 2:28 pm
    ATL’s OWN shut your stupid ass up…what a idiot…the sad part is that he thinks he made a good argument…NOT…
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    and this some how kills my argument bad!?

    NIgga is U high!

    or just a fuckin’ moron!

  • SUPERMAN

    WHY DONT ARTISTS JUST JOIN KOCH. I READ CAM MAKES LIKE $8 PER ALBUM SOLD. NOT ONLY IS THAT MORE THAN THESE TOP DOLLAR RECORD COMPANIES PAYING, BUT YOU GET TO DO REAL MUSIC IF YOU WANT, WITHOUT THE PRESSURES OF POP ON YOUR BACK. HIP HOP IS DEAD ANYWAY AND THERES NO WAY ITS COMING BACK UNLESS ITUNES IS DESTROYED, LIMEWIRE AND ALL THOSE ILLEGAL DOWNLOADS AS WELL, MUSIC CANT BE GENERATED DIGITALLY (IMPOSSIBLE). YUP, LETS STICK TO JUST TALKING ABOUT IT, NOT ACTUALLY LISTENING TO IT.

  • Fernando

    He is a gay retard ATL. Get used to it. Swamp ducks like NCred swallowed too much katrina water & thus cannot formulate arguments in his head. Especially when he is having gay fantasies of the Game (no Dj-Ncred)

    P.S – Master P is from the Bay & got all his independant game & lingo from cats out in the bay. get it right swamp-dweller.

  • y_a_b_o_y

    HOLY SHIT!

    Keith Olberman’s ethering of gw bush.

    http://www.byroncrawford.com

  • Fernando

    herb

  • e aka the real noreiaga

    Lil’Jon, Ying Yang Twins, and Pitbull are all making bank off being independent. They release 1 or 2 big singles and collect a million. Then they rerelease the album with a dvd and make another million.

  • http://xxlmag.com Bol

    I see one of you d-bags is actually quoted in the Vanity Fair story on Jacob the Jeweler.

    “Hip-hop Web sites had been buzzing with sometimes rude speculation about his situation, caught between the law and the law of the street. “Jacob da jewler better keep his mouth closed dem B.M.F. niggaz gona merck [kill] his rich ass,” said “Real South Nigga” on the message board of XXLmag.com.”

  • BirdsFlySouth

    dudes in the south been slangin tapes out the trunk for years. b/c before No Limit that’s all we had. Once again NY rappers is hustlin backwards. For instance, Slim Thug was a millionaire before he even signed. $7 a album is alot more that 40 cent an album.

    that’s why when you see a downsouth artist get a deal. he get major figures. Do you remember when 50 came out and he was bragging about 1 million signing bonus. Everybody agrees he’s better than David Banner right. Well Banner signed for 10 mil around the same time.

  • e aka the real noreiaga

    Bol Says:

    November 2nd, 2006 at 2:56 pm
    I see one of you d-bags is actually quoted in the Vanity Fair story on Jacob the Jeweler.

    “Hip-hop Web sites had been buzzing with sometimes rude speculation about his situation, caught between the law and the law of the street. “Jacob da jewler better keep his mouth closed dem B.M.F. niggaz gona merck [kill] his rich ass,” said “Real South Nigga” on the message board of XXLmag.com.”
    ^^^^^
    I knew I should have said some antisemetic term. I could have been quoted damn….

  • BirdsFlySouth

    Fernando if the Bay so revolutionary. Why’d they still crunk and name it hyphy?

  • Meka Soul

    but without major labels, where would we get such great music as “chain hang low,” “peanut butter & jelly” and “stuntin’ like my daddy?”

    no american me.

  • Fernando

    Trot Nixon

  • e aka the real noreiaga

    antisemetic =anti-Semitic

    LOL @ “Real South Nigga”

    You know the people they quote are gonna have ignorant names. Like mine lol

  • e aka the real noreiaga

    Julio Lugo

  • Young A. Simmons

    incredibly ghey you be stuntin like Birdman, close your mouth when real men is talking.

    Meths album is cool, you wouldn’t know though Bol you too busy bangin Aint No Other Man and REM Greatest Hits..

  • Fernando

    The music sounds nothing like crunk, so I dont know what you mean. if your talking about a bunch of black kids ghost riding whips, wearing crazy sun-glasses, doing retarded dances, & generally going dumb, then maybe its a cultural thing. The only thing crunk has in common with hyphy is the crazy energy & general sense of not giving a f*ck. Every thing else is different, from the clothes, to the lingo, to the dances….everything. And I aint have to make the case for the Bay starting sh*t, a lot of Rappers from the south do that (just behind the scenes). David Banner, Master P, Tony Draper, etc. have all been interviewed & admitted that The Yay area really showed everybody how to get the independant grind going.

  • Meka Soul

    carl pavano.

  • Fernando

    And Hyphy has been crackin off for YEARS. This aint somethin new

  • Meka Soul

    what the hell is the bgm exactly?

  • http://www.allhiphop.com,Version=1,Version=1,Version=1 Rey

    Kevin Elster.

  • e aka the real noreiaga

    what the hell is the bgm exactly?
    ^^^^
    Its the nickname he gave his mom’s basement. Bol likes to pretend he goes to work

    Gueiermo Mota

  • Meka Soul

    kevin ollie.

  • Meka Soul

    dustin nippert.

  • SONNY CHEEBA

    N-Cred is an ASSHOLE…

    And artists who have a built in fanbase of let’s say over 200,000 should go indie…

    but to get that fan base u either have to be a bad asss local act or be on a major!

    See major labels function as Publicity machines with bank…
    They’ll make sure ur nationaly/ internationaly known- thus making ur chances to get other paper (touring, merchandising, acting, clothing, etc) possible…

    They just take ALL the cake and make u pay back what THEY spent on UR backend (litterally)…

    But u think Ice Cube would be a 9 figga nigga if he HADN’T been in NWA??? Hell no! NWA made it possible for people to recognize Cube, so he could be an actor u’d recognize…

    POINT BLANK PERIOD!

    They also have they radio (Clear Channel, etc), video (Viacom), and media (NBC,etc) ON LOCK!!!

    So u almost HAVE TO “play ball” (no LOX contract) in order to “bounce and do ur own thang”…

    Think about it!

    An DJ-Ncredibly Dumb, NO ONE LIKES U!!!

  • Fernando

    I cant believe Vanity Fair used Bol’s blog as a source for their story. Sometime soon, you are going to see Katie Couric saying…..
    “In a recent XXL blog post, one blogger writes, Lil Wayne was caught kissing the Birdman…no homo”

  • e aka the real noreiaga

    Juan Uribe

  • SONNY CHEEBA

    oh and just cuz ur “indie” don’t mean ur “paid”!

    say u sell 50,000 indie at $6 a copy sold…

    That’s $300,000 back…

    But factor in cost for album ($30,000-$40,000), promotion ($40,000-$100,000 if u have a video), and misc (per diem, etc) u spent a good $100,000-$150,000 OFF TOP…

    so yeah ur gonna get ur $100,000- $150,000 of ur album- but Mr. Yung “i just got fucked on my record deal” Joc is gonna see that in 7-10 shows (that’s a week or 2′s work, at clubs i remind u)…

    so even if he got fucked on his album royalties, the major made it possible for him to get $10,000-$30,000 (a night) to do “It’s Going Down”…

    I’ll take the major deal over the indie, ANY DAY…

    u just gotta know how to work it!

  • Meka Soul

    what’s that guy’s name [i think he plays{ed} for the yankees] that got arrested in his home country for attacking villagers with a machete?

    that was the definition of gully.

    milton bradley.

  • SUPERMAN

    I GOTTA THINK OF SOMETHING CLEVER TO WRITE SO I TOO CAN BE QUOTED IN MAGAZINES SUCH AS VANITY FAIR.

  • e aka the real noreiaga

    u just gotta know how to work it!
    ^^^^^
    Thats the key thing though most rappers are anxious to sign any deal. You need a smart loyal taking care of your contract not one of your boys negotiating. You have to own your publishing rights.(no weezy f.)

  • e aka the real noreiaga

    There was a guy on the Phillies named Ugueth Urbina who lit some guy on fire in Venezuela.

  • SONNY CHEEBA

    as my man Swizz put it…

    “there’s 6 different ways to get paid off of 1 record, u just gotta be smart…”

    and that nigga is a 27yr old MILLIONAIRE, 20-30 times over- ya dig?

  • e aka the real noreiaga

    Rappers have to be smarter in how they manage budget money. Some artists spend a fortune on production and don’t make up for it in sales. They should just buy 2 or 3 expensive beats as the singles and have underground/noname producers do the rest of the album.

  • e aka the real noreiaga

    John Salley

  • http://www.allhiphop.com,Version=1,Version=1 Rey

    Hideki Irabu

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    lame ass people stick together like fat chicks…with that said…I refuse to internet beef with a bunch of losers…get a life and some motivation…Im sure you wake up looking forward to getting on this site because its the only place you have a voice and life…you guys are beyond lame…

  • 110 street

    this is entertainment.. lol you guys are comedians.

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    Master P was born Percy Miller in New Orleans, Louisiana, on April 29, 1967. Master P lived in New Orleans’ Calliope Projects in the city’s 3rd Ward as a child. Miller shuttled back and forth between New Orleans (where he attended high school and lived with his father) and Richmond, California (where he spent summers with his mother).

  • Fernando

    Jeff Malone…John Bagley

    Rappers + Managing Money = Unintentional comedy phrase of the year.

    I dont think spending $100,000 on weed (krayzie bone), hitting the club every night & buying Cristal (even though it tastes just like Veuve), and 5 Rolls Royces in different colors is representative of the type of characters that “manage their finances”….just a thought

  • Fernando

    He’s from the Bay in the sense that this is the the area where he soaked up game…then delivered it to the swamp. Just ask Yukmouth

  • Fernando

    lol @ P. Miller approaching 40. hes about to say UHHHHH for a different reason pretty soon

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    Master P:
    First rapper to be worth over $100 million
    First rapper to be worth over $300 million
    First rapper to own 100% of his Masters
    First and only rapper/CEO to receive 85% of profits in a major deal
    First rapper to make Fortune magazine’s 40 richest Americans under 40 in 1999
    Has sold 75 million records as an independent ceo
    Made Forbes list of highest paid entertainers in 1998
    First rapper to own and control a clothing company
    Started the direct to video trend in Hip Hop
    In the Guiness Book of World Records as the world’s richest entertainer
    Brought commercial credibility to Southern Hip Hop
    Brought marketing innovations to Hip Hop
    Inspired a new generation of rappers to become independent
    BlackEnterprise B.E 100 list
    The Source magazine’s Power 30 list at #1 two years in a row
    Vibe magazine’s 10 most influential artists of the decade

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    …ey fuk boy who did P soak up game from…last i checked he was a pioneer…definition of pioneer:

    (somebody who goes into previously uncharted or unclaimed territory with the purpose of exploring it and possibly colonizing or settling it)

  • Meka Soul

    >lol @ P. Miller approaching 40. hes about to say UHHHHH for a different reason pretty soon>

    not unless his geritrol funds run out.

    brett tomko.

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    pioneer:a person or group that is the first to do something or that is a forerunner in creating or developing something new

  • Fernando

    Dj-NCredibly-Ghey:

    First Blogger to be called gay by everyone on the site.
    First blogger to state homo feelings towards Game
    First Blogger to get sunned so hard he left the room
    Owns worst Dj name ever
    Started the trend of typing before thinking through comments
    President of Game fan club, Master P fanclub, & the Weezy Fu*ks Baby Fanclub
    Reps New Orleans but lives in Laguna Beach

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    guess where Master P is from…New Orleans…or as we say it New Awlins

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    Fernando Says:

    November 2nd, 2006 at 5:02 pm
    Dj-NCredibly-Ghey:

    First Blogger to be called gay by everyone on the site.
    First blogger to state homo feelings towards Game
    First Blogger to get sunned so hard he left the room
    Owns worst Dj name ever
    Started the trend of typing before thinking through comments
    President of Game fan club, Master P fanclub, & the Weezy Fu*ks Baby Fanclub
    Reps New Orleans but lives in Laguna Beach

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Clearly a hater who gets mad everytime he looks in the mirror and constanly ask his mother why she didn’t have an abortion…

    BTW your not funny…my bad lame people would find that funny…

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    Is it me or does everyone see FERNANDO for the bitch he is. Its sad when it becomes obvious through your comments on a website. Dude, you a lame ass perpetrating suckerass mark. I stay on this dude mind like my latest draft pick. Go find some friends reject.

    …and who are these people(everybody) that dislike me besides the MightyDucks(your teamates)…again your comments clearly show that this site is your world and life…

  • Fernando

    He soaked game from the cats who originated the independant labels out in the bay (Richmond). Its not that hard to understand…even for a swamp dwelling community college dropout like yourself.

    He is a pioneer of releasing crappy albums by no-name artists every two weeks & making millions of cracka-ass crackas. More power to him though, he made a few tight albums (Ghetto-D, 99 ways to die)

    Where do you think the term “ice cream man” originated??….hint: NOT NEW ORLEANS

  • Global Macro

    I wanna know how the fuck 8000 cds sold = $1 million

  • Fernando

    Wow, you have to copy / paste your old insults. I know its hard to think up new stuff being that Katrina swept away your sesame street ABC’s book.

  • pete

    The Problem With Music
    By: Steve Albini
    http://negativland.com/albini.html

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    what a degenerate

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    once again you resort to 10 year old behavior…I rest my case…proceed…

  • SONNY CHEEBA

    Fernando Says:

    November 2nd, 2006 at 5:02 pm
    Dj-NCredibly-Ghey:

    First Blogger to be called gay by everyone on the site.
    First blogger to state homo feelings towards Game
    First Blogger to get sunned so hard he left the room
    Owns worst Dj name ever
    Started the trend of typing before thinking through comments
    President of Game fan club, Master P fanclub, & the Weezy Fu*ks Baby Fanclub
    Reps New Orleans but lives in Laguna Beach

    ^^^LOL

    Yeah!

    And Master P did learn his hustle out West, then perfected it Down South…

  • http://iwillspankyourkids.blogspot.com Chap

    I can dig it

  • Fernando

    Once again you resort to homo-erotic, community college swamp dweller bahavior…i rest my case….proceed

  • Fernando

    And Master P did learn his hustle out West, then perfected it Down South…

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Thank you, somebody who knows some hip-hop history. Its not a slight on P, just the truth.

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    ^^^get a life

  • Fernando

    ^^^^^^
    Get a brain & a sex change to match your inner self

  • ESL representa

    Fenando 1 DJ No-cred 0

    LOL @ no-creds almost stalkerish knowledge of P’s history.

  • ESL representa

    *fernando 4 No-Cred -4

  • wax

    I dont have time to read through all of the comments, but the iTunes purchase breakdown one one tune at 1.07 after tax is roughly

    50% itunes profit
    40% label profit
    10% artist

    10 cents a download. WOW!

  • Meka Soul

    >10 cents a download. WOW!>

    if a couple million people purchase it, it does add up.

  • Young A. Simmons

    “First Blogger to get sunned so hard he left the room”

    c’mon Fern, credit where it’s due, that honour is Reys.

    Bol and incredibly ghey are like 2 peas in a pod, the highlight of their days are masturbation. (no Gin Blossoms video on youtube)

  • Fernando

    outro

  • DEE

    “Take for example the Canadian rock band Barenaked Ladies. They claim to have grossed somewhere in the neighborhood of [Dr. Evil voice] one million dollars in the first week of sales for their recent Barenaked Ladies Are Me. It only sold about 8,000 copies in the US that week.”

    BOL… how could they make a million off of 8,000 (do the math, 8 dollars x 8,000= 68,000 not a million

  • Fernando

    My work here appears to be done. Ncred has relegated himself to some NAMBLA website to fulfill his regiment of 10 rub-offs a day (no N-Cred).

  • Fernando

    Apparently they were charging $125 per CD……(Bol is retarded)

  • bmort

    i blame this shit on downloading. Jay z was saying they put out two videos for ll cool j and one even featured j lo and his shit still didnt sell. i do agree that if they go independent that the artist will sell more records. But if they are looking to become a legend they cant do it by being an underground artists. all the all time great were at some point in time a platinum top ten artist in their career. To be a great everything has to balance off. records sales, lyrics, charisma and your overall persona as an artist and person. DMX is one of the best but it will be hard to pay attention to his record sales or his lyrics because his persona is all fucked up with everything that’s going on in his life. big, and pac had all the characteristics i mentioned above. so does a ti or jeezy. there’s not too much people can say about these cats.

  • Dr Flav

    E 40 is who I see as an artist who raised the level of independent hustle music game $1 mil dist deal with Jive. Lil J first dude I knew with an independent black owned label. Master P took all that game includ Suge Knight game and took it to a whole uncharted other level respect that. DJ N-Credible is cool by me, he makes good points most times, some of you guys do be bustin his balls, I can only call it like I see it.

  • Dr Flav

    I believe P owned a record store in the Bay, so he gave help as well as he got it by supporting Bay Area artists. BTW dope been sold out of ice cream trucks before Cheech and Chong “Nice Dreams” movie and I lived in Ohio.

  • http://www.allhiphop.com,Version=1,Version=1 Rey

    Young A: I’m a bit rusty at this, so bear with me. *ahem* Fuck a goat. Ahh, Just like riding a bike. Anyway, Fern and NCred are hilarious.

  • thoreauly77

    i believe that fernando was right actually, young a. the honor is djpeanutbutterandjelly’s and he should put the award on his mantle when it floats back from the gulf of mexico.

  • e aka the real noreiaga

    Fernando ethered DJ N Cred

  • hood

    I dj’d for master p when he was in the bay, he’s way older than 40 folks.

  • Joopset

    Will someone get ROX ONE a job?

  • Joopset

    ^^and e aka the real noregaya, and dj n credw/e, but most of all that spic Fernando.

  • http://myspace.com/legacyhiphop Belize

    WTF?????

  • http://myspace.com/legacyhiphop Belize

    TOP REASON WHY DJ-N-CREDIBLE WACK IS WACK…HE’S WHIGYGYWHIGY WHITE:

    http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=691562

  • http://www.myspace.com/rcvthamc RCV tha MC

    Going independent seems to make more sense now, in terms of making money if your doing underground type numbers.

  • sATaLyte

    # Fernando Says:
    November 2nd, 2006 at 3:22 pm

    I cant believe Vanity Fair used Bol’s blog as a source for their story. Sometime soon, you are going to see Katie Couric saying…..
    “In a recent XXL blog post, one blogger writes, Lil Wayne was caught kissing the Birdman…no homo”

    ^^^^^

    Hilarity

  • frankwhite45

    myspace.com/ninohnewjack lets gooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://blah.com robin tha hood

    how come people still listin to gayme, i herd he was a stripper and had blonde hair and a tongue ring and his favorite basketball was dennis rodman

  • thoreauly77

    is that supposed to say “boooo”?

  • Uncle Murda

    i got a question why u think so much?

  • ether

    but BOL you work for the man at xxl do you not?

    some days u “hate the man” but then some days you talk that amerikkka mush like the rest.

    f*ck outta here with that rupaul sh^t.
    you a DRESS WEARING fa*et your ancestors would be proud.

    yo for that sh*t you said about Malcolm X.

    ima flame you then flame you and then flame you some more. till dude’s on your blog will just laugh when they think about you.

    Your black pass is revoked.

    AND I DARE YOU to answer me back.

  • jon-jon 23

    I have been saying this for a long time. All artists are doing when they sign with majors is making a group of white men very rich and very happy. The artists in my opinion should pull in the biggest percentage of what they sell but they don’t come close. Actually most artists on the majors are exploited and robbed. It’s incredible how someone could dream of being rich and famous and when it happens someone else takes most of their money.

  • rizzop

    Actually Tical’s album is pretty damn good, he aint have ONE video for hios album, unless someone can tell Different

  • BALLY

    An artist wouldn’t receive any movie scripts, endorsements, licensing agreements, clothing lines, etc by being an independent, underground act; you have to be a household name ie. major label. If an artist aspires to be a recording artist exclusively, then I agree, independent is the way to go.

  • the one

    Bol Says:

    November 2nd, 2006 at 2:17 pm
    >I don’t know the last time I heard a black person doing anything strictly for the love.

    Well, I blog mostly for the love.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    You Blog to pay your mom that $50 a week to stay In her basement. Your columns are gettin more sad everyday. Fat piece of shit.

  • http://www.okayplayer.com Spark

    Fuck tha Man

  • G Rock

    Independent artists do NOT make a mil everytime they sale 30 or 40k..thats bs…do the math..they would have to make $25 a cd for that to happen…these rappers have y’all fooled w/ the bs rhymes…major label cats don’t start making any money until they sell a mill..indies can make good money it with a 50k to a hundred k..100k will get u dropped off of a major

  • SONNY CHEEBA
  • http://www.dmcworld.com/technics2004/video/2004dj1-100k.wvx JIMMY IVIONE

    I sign a lot of Jigs to my label because they want to be more famous than rich…Oh I give them 50K to sign-up, but I haven’t cut a “royalty” check in years! If there’s any profits from a release, I just find ways to spend it to show no profit – “How about another Big video shoot in the Bahamas Fiddy, How’s that sound?”

    “Yeah, Yeah Boss mo’ Bitches!”

    “That’s what I thought!”

  • bear

    it depends. You all forget that the major’s one key advantage for an artist is the advance money the artist gets. Lets say Meth signed a 5 album, 5 million dollar deal way back when. He receives that check, stashes it away, even if his album bombs. He won’t see any royalties and his album budget will be in debt forever, but the advance is unrecoupable.

    If you can sell 300k-400k independently than thats the way to go. You have to pay for your own expenses, and you don’t get an advance, but you make $6-$7 dollars a record gross, after expenses that may be only $4 dollars after expenses, but some artists on majors are only getting $300k or so for an advance.

  • bear

    On the barenaked ladies, they probably generated less than a 100k from album sales, it came from digital sales. So for them to make a million from digital sources, they would have to sell 200k-300k online, and I gotta tell you, hipsters love itunes.

  • Bang

    if fools made millions off of independant CDs than they woulda been making their own def jams, aftermaths and distribution companies.

  • Black London….

    Bol…………

    I DONT KNOW IF YOU’RE GONNA REPLY TO THIS OR EVEN BOTHER TO READ OR WRITE A 2ND PART TO YOUR POST….

    SO IM GONNA POST THIS IN THE OTHER BLOGGERS POSTS TO TRY AND GET THEIR POINT OF VEIW……

    I KNOW THIS IS LATE BUT I JUST READ THIS ACTICLE OVER @ hitsdailydouble.com ABOUT HOW MAJOR LABELS “Are Radically Altering the Way” they Operate. (copy & paste)

    To cut the long story short… I think who ever disagreed with you or cussed you out because of it NEEDS TO SHUT THE FUCK UP AND THIS ARTICLE.

    (the article will follow this post)

  • Black London….

    MAJORS SORTING OUT THE NEW RULES OF ENGAGEMENT

    Revamped Guidelines Are Radically Altering the Way the Big Four Operate

    November 3, 2006

    Most major labels are presently deep into the process of planning their 2007 budgets and trying to figure out what aspects of the new business model will best enable them to be profitable in these challenging times. The current thinking involves several new guidelines that will take some getting used to for the staffs of the major labels, who in essence have to relearn their jobs. According to the execs we queried (each of whom asked to remain anonymous, for obvious reasons), these new realities include the following:

    Labels can no longer indiscriminately drill multiple oil wells in the hopes of hitting the occasional gusher:

    “In the good old days, we had the personnel and the deep pockets to simultaneously work any number of projects,” groused one veteran executive. “These days money’s tight and our staff is stretched so thin that it’s nearing the breaking point. So we have to be extremely judicious in terms of the projects we prioritize—and quite frankly, there are more and more records on our release schedule that don’t have a snowball’s chance in hell, and everybody knows it but the act, and sometimes the management.”

    The majors must quickly cut bait on their stiffs:

    We’ve seen it a number of times since the start of the fourth quarter—new albums from acts with proven track records that fall well short of expectations. “The conventional wisdom used to be that a new release had six-to-eight weeks and/or two singles to prove itself,” a marketing chief confided. “But now it’s more like the movie business—if you don’t meet or exceed projections, it’s ‘See ya! Next.’”

    Regarding new acts, labels must let the market speak rather than attempting to dictate to it:

    “Let’s face it,” one label head acknowledged, “the majors can no longer afford to be in the business of developing a number of artists at one time by taking a high-profile marketing approach.” Stated another exec: “You can’t anoint artists from the top of the label, like in the old days. My former president used to say, ‘This record’s a smash,’ and we’d drop everything, including a couple of million bucks, before we had any research to prove him right or wrong. Now that the powers to be have dropped my former president, we’re trying to make informed choices about which new act to chase by listening to the market and trying to see which ones raise their heads, because it takes all of our resources to chase potential hits. Sometimes we get lucky with a new band, but that’s because the kids know something we don’t and take an act to critical mass essentially without the label’s participation. In fact, the best way to kill momentum on a developing act is to overtly market to their core audience. These fans are turned off by anything that seems to be generated by a major label.” This new reality resembles a Zen riddle—the harder you push, the more resistance you encounter. Without question, the days of throwing money willy-nilly at new and developing acts to see which one sticks are long gone.

    ————————–
    http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/news/newsPage.cgi?news06397m01

  • http://www.myspace.com/valetv Lo-Down

    The only thing a major labe is good for is the video outlet these days on BET, Vh1 and such and the radio airplay, which is still filled with Payola. If you checked any Clear Channel Urban station playlist, you’ll find the same 24 songs rotated every hour for three weeks. But for an indie artist/label, it’s best to hit overseas and regional undeground markets to make the fast paper, sit back and laugh.

    We’ll be in San Antonio and Austin in 2007 for anyone wanting to join us on the Lo-ride!!

  • rubyspirit

    Go cop Method Man’s album and support him. Wu-Tang Forever!

  • Dude

    Over $1 million from 8,000 records sold? $125/album grossed, riiight..

  • SugarHill

    Independant is the way to go. Own your own shit, from intellectual property to the publishing to the masters. Only use the majors for a distribution deal if necessary.

    Stop getting fucked by these major labels that don’t do shit for you but take the majority of your money.

  • Jay

    Fortune and fame… music is a business, business brings in dollars, dollars give you power, power creates superstars. They don’t call it show business for no reason.
    This means you have make music for the masses and market it to the masses.
    Rappers that are in the game for the love will get thier diehard cult fans because of thier music, but will not get close to the paper of the corporate mareketing machines just on quality music alone.
    You have to be a smart mutha fucka to the big money with an independent lable.

  • Trap Sumthin’

    You better Do How We Do In The South Go Independent. Niggaz go gold underground down here and are unheard of anywhere else. Y’all may not like US to much on the EastCoast, but we know how to make money. Master P started out independent and look at his paper stax. Hell Even Mike Jones went close to Platinum underground with his mixtapes. Da South been had dat underground shyt on lock. We been doin that 4ever since back in the day. Ain’t nobody gona support you like you. Push your own shyt out. Thatz why some niggaz don’t make it. They wait on the record labels. Do like The South Do!!!!

  • http://myspace.com/marotheflycat Maro

    http://www.myspace.com/marotheflycat

    go there and listen to some bangers

  • http://www.hoodgrownrecords.com/myhood Hoodgrown Records

    For artists with even a little bit of a name now is a great time for them to earn under their own labels.

    You have YouTube to replace MTV (it did magic for OK GO), site like MySpace to help get the word out, Tuncore to get your shit up on itunes (and they just did a distribution deal with Public Enemy) and the like.

    There’s a whole new world opening up. And because Meth DOES have a history.. maybe recording for Koch would have been a much better idea.