‘No homo’ mania

By now, most people have heard about the awkward situation that Killa Cam found himself in early this week. Cam’ron had the Internet going nuts with a flick of himself posing next to what appeared to be a very stylish transvestite. Miss Info let everyone know that the He was in fact a She. (Miss Info also took the opportunity to say she wasn’t down with homophobia and shouted out her gay listeners.) Anyway, as XXL’s own Fresh reported [1], the drag queen in the photo is actually a happily married—if non photogenic— female fashion writer.

My point is this: the No Homo hoopla is officially out of control. [2] Really, what does the perpetual witch hunt for signs of homosexuality accomplish? (Other than making gay and lesbian folks hate hip-hop and some random New York style reporter feel like crap.)

Hardly anyone in hip-hop culture is willing to take on the issue. Kanye is one of the few to address it. When I interviewed Kanye West in 2005, he told me that taking a stand against homophobia in his speech at the MTV Awards was scarier for him than speaking out against Bush during the Katrina crisis, and it’s no wonder. “People are so homophobic,” he explained. “You bring it up, they think ‘Oh, you must be gay.’ Like you can’t be a straight dude that thinks it’s wrong to gay bash. People are so scared to talk about [it], but it’s in our faces every day.” Say what you will about Kanye West’s fashion choices/flamboyant personality/media freak-outs, but you really can’t front on the courage it took for him to make that statement.

I’m sure some gay dudes who love hip-hop took comfort in it. And some gay dudes that do hip-hop too. Statistically speaking, there has to be gay rappers among hip-hop’s upper echelon. But we’ll probably never know, since coming out would almost certainly ether their careers.

The funny thing about hip-hop’s homophobia is that the culture is often visibly homoerotic. Prison culture has a strong presence in hip-hop, bringing with it a history of covert gay sex. Male groupie fanboys worship their hip-hop heroes. Rappers are dressed by homosexual stylists, and often inadvertently wind up with photos that resemble gay chat line posters. Word to 50 Cent on The Massacre. Or on the GQ cover. Clearly, all the repressive energy comes out sideways.

It’s worth pointing out that rampant homophobia does nothing to stop gay sex. It just makes dudes ashamed of it. I read this book last year about the whole Down Low phenomenon, and the author said that closeted guys typically don’t use condoms, because stopping to strap up acknowledges what they are doing. Unprotected sex obviously puts them at risk for contracting AIDS, and then spreading it to their (unknowing) female partners.

To tell the truth, I wish that a bunch of famous rappers would come out of the closet, so that being gay wouldn’t continue to be so damn taboo in the culture. The health risks for everyone would be minimized. Plus, a whole group of people wouldn’t have to keep lying to themselves and others about who they are, which must really suck.

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[1] I have to agree with Miss Info that Fresh is one of the best bloggers out.

[2] Yes, I am aware that you c-boys want to read about this about as much as you want to have your toenails pulled out one by one. Thems the breaks.

  • Heat_Seeker

    first!!

  • BELIZE

    The gay rappers become famous is the day I breakup with hiphop

  • http://www.vh1.com/shows/events/hip_hop_honors/2006/ Sugarbread

    Yeah, I feel really bad for that poor fashion writer.

  • NHJIC-referee

    nhjic on this post!

  • soopadoopa

    the problem is homosexuality and gay culture can never be viewed as cool by str8 men so it will never be accepted.

    100

  • Young A. Simmons

    “a whole group of people wouldn’t have to keep lying to themselves and others about who they are, which must really suck.”

    Subliminal at Bol?

    Heard Rey been macking you on myspace, who says chivalry is dead?
    (no reythejedi to all of the above)

    Free Royce!

  • chrome kid

    i agree, fuck homophobia… the problem is the mass of down low brothers who just can’t handle the truth… r. kelly anybody?

  • http://rodneydugue.blogspot.com RD

    Ahh Somoneone finally addressed this. However, I think that from a literary standpoint the phrase “No Homo” is not only ineffective but illogical. Incidentally, I wrote an entry on that some time ago…check it out if you’re interested

    http://rodneydugue.blogspot.com/2006/09/word-diculous.html

    RD

  • Meka Soul

    you have to admit, though, that cam’ron pic is stranger than fiction, to say the least, especially considering that it appears “she” is also throwing up the dipset sign.

    perhaps she got a deal to do a collaborative album with money mike…

  • G Off

    Props for writing this piece. You aren’t going to get very many positive comments, but people should take note because it is the truth.

    By the way, saying “no homo” is the gayest thing you can do… you are looking for gay references and in-jokes rather than just saying what you want to say. It is all very weird.

  • http://aramhiphopetc.blogspot.com/2006_09_01_aramhiphopetc_archive.html I Fux

    I put “no homo” in my comments all the time but in everyday language it makes me sound like an idiot, Also I do think John Legend is definitely gay I posted why on a comment section not to long ago, but gay Hip-Hop is an oxymoron, when Hip-Hop is all braggadocio, bitches, cars and hoes. Let me know what part of that is Ghey. Kanye poor dude was catching all kinds of hate for his openess. People can say what they want of the dude but now that Kanye is super famous he doesnt shy away from his beliefs just to satisfy corporate America; this is why I like the dude because he doesnt hold his tongue. Just maybe Kanye will keep on speaking out and be something like a new school black revolutionary hero.(by the way many have missed the boat to be like Ali,John Carlos, Tommie Smith , Bob Marley amongst others. Well not everyone is cut out to make themselves heard but I applaud Kanye and F0ck Bush!

  • http://www.myspace.com/dronkmunk dronkmunk

    Props for writing this piece. You aren’t going to get very many positive comments, but people should take note because it is the truth.

    By the way, saying “no homo” is the gayest thing you can do… you are looking for gay references and in-jokes rather than just saying what you want to say. It is all very weird.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Took the words out of my mouth. Whole post.

    It is nice to read something on this site that is about something other than saying jus whatever to piss off readers. Nice job.

  • DocZeus

    Bravo, Tara! Whats ironic to me about the homophobia in hip hop is that everybody denies the parrallel between gay bashing and racism. As if it’s a terrible evil to hate a person because of their skin color but its righteous to hate a person because of who they love and have sex with. It just makes me think that civil rights is not about true equality and justice but about selfish pursuit of making sure “you” aren’t hated but fuck everybody else different. There can be no true justice until we stop “ALL” backward ass thinking.

  • thoreauly77

    word. homophobia is gay. this whole “no homo” shit is a symptom of men with repressed homosexual tendencies; the problem is not the tendencies, the problem is the repression. if youre gay, be gay, if not, dont talk shit about homosexuals because it makes you not only look ignorant but that your further in the closet than r. kelly.

    truth!

  • nocal

    Ellay Khule says:

    DMX mighta took a hit / and Ja Rule might go both ways / don’t tell me hip hop is controlled by baseheads and undercover gays

    There was a study done in 1996. They took a random sample of men, hooked them up to electrodes, and asked them their opinions of gay people. Some were ok with it, some were gay bashers of the highest order, of course. They showed these men straight porn (man + woman), and measured the sexual arousal level (a.k.a “tumescence”). They were aroused equally. Then they were shown gay pornography (man + man). Here is the most wonderful excellent part of that story: the gay bashers were most aroused. When asked later to gauge their arousal level, the “homophobes” rated their arousal to be significantly lower than it actually was.

    The lesson? If you hate gays with an abnormal passion…it’s because you are attracted to the same sex and those feelings are unacceptable to you. One of the few Freudian concepts that holds up to modern scrutiny in clinical trials.

  • ewdtncyt

    I like how everyone is patting themselves on the back for making positive comments on this entry, as if there’s a storm of people waiting to trash it.

    The no homo thing (among bloggers, at least) is a joke, and a funny one at that. The fact that there is so much actual discrimination against fags is a big part of why it’s so funny. As far as Bol is concerned, it’s a perfect fit with his style of writing. I don’t think use of it is a very good bellwether of anti-faggotry.

    That said, plenty of people aren’t comfortable with it, especially in hip-hop. Is that a crisis for gays? Ehh. They still have a place in there, they just have to tweak their personas a bit.

    Or not at all (see also: Diddy).

  • Tom

    homophobia is tehy ghey.

  • e

    Rap isn’t nearly as homerotic as rock, at least rappers don’t wear make up or tight clothes(no pharrell). Usually I like your posts Tara but now I am gonna be ignorant because of this one and request a maxim style picture.

    Discrimination of any form is not cool

  • allnice

    Freudian concepts? Son’s concepts are the reason you work 10 hours a day for low pay my nigga. Fuck psychology and legal drugs. If you are gay, then you are gay and that is final. You either fuck men or you don’t. There ain’t no grey area in between (no Number 1 Pharrell and Kanye).

    Tara, what are you trying to say in this post? I don’t want to sound sterotypical, but it is just like a woman to want to have gay rappers reveal themselves. I bet a whole lot more women would sweat hip hop if it was blatantly homo. Women already buy expensive gear from homo designers and have gay friends.

    As a straight male, I know I wouldn’t listen to any gay hip hop music. I don’t hate gays, but I don’t relate to them. I agree that cats take that homo shit too far, but being gay is some kind of popular fad that is also getting outta control. I wonder how many gay people are actually gay and not just pretending. And how do you explain how the gay community shut down a reggae concert that benefits HIV education just because one of the dudes had a song about gay cats? Just some food for thought……

  • http://aramhiphopetc.blogspot.com/2006_09_01_aramhiphopetc_archive.html I Fux

    Ya Gay and Hip-Hop(at the risk of sounding ignorant)have no direct correlation, if your Hip-Hop all the time you would be a walking hypocrite if you were also gay

  • http://www.myspace.com/xadam22 Adam22

    kanye also says “faggots” in his lyrics all the time. no bol.

  • pat

    not to take away from your point (which i agree with) but when the name of your group is called deep dickollective its kinda hard to take seriously, is that the only openly gay hip hop group (excluding dip set which is openly gay to everyone but themselves)

  • http://www.thursdayplantation.blogspot.com lar

    this is one of hiphop’s most important conversations, and it’s barely got off the ground yet.
    the (male) hiphop generation, many of which were raised without male role-models, and needs to assert it’s manliness above all else, fears homosexuality something awful.
    homophobia is then justified by claims of bullshit, sometimey morals culled from religious texts that don’t say anything of the sort and have been tampered with anyway.
    or, some it’s-all-good-just-don’t bring-it-around-me-shit which is some straight jim crow cracker bullshit. OR, just ‘that’s nasty’, and 30-year old niggas start sounding like kindergarteners.
    but like you say, having to say how gay you’re not implicates exactly how gay you probably are- cuz why would you even be talking about it, insecure ass motherfucker!
    the motherfucker who’s the most loudly homophobic, the most obsessed with proving he can get pussy, is always the cat who makes his boys vaguely uncomfortable when he’s blackout drunk.

  • http://www.thursdayplantation.blogspot.com lar

    no moron

  • e

    Lar sounds like he is personally affected by this(no bol’s high school wrestling experience)

  • TARA

    YOUNG SIMMONS: No subliminals here.

    MEKA: I admit the photo was extra strange.

    E: I agree that rock is pretty homoerotic. But I don’t think rock is as homophobic as hip-hop.

  • http://www.allhiphop.com Rey

    After a late nite… I’ve yet to check back to bol’s blog, but it looks like someone went myspace stalking on me. Kinda pathetic. I could care less if any rappers were gay, but I don’t think I could listen to songs about the gay lifestyle. It’s hypocritical, but it’s true.

  • from damitten (where the water is lovely)

    Another great post Tara. Maybe, 50 years down the line we will see who’s what. Not like it matters or anything, but understand that the rapper or rappers whom haven’t come out the closet is living a lie. Oh well.

    Word to DocZeus. Well stated.
    Peace.

  • thisishowwedoit?

    OH YES KANYE

    HE JUST SPEAKS OUT ABOUT EVERYTHING

    LETS THROW SO MORE GRAMMY’S AT HIM BECAUSE HE IS JUST LIKE SOOOO POLITCALLY CORRECT

  • DJ Lucky Luke

    You know–you can check my review of “The Massacre” on amazon.com to see what I had to say about the album photo. In short, I’m sure 50 Cent was still “taking it like a man” (no homo) when he was getting his chest waxed for that shot. As far as Kanye is concerned–until a photo shows up of him pube-deep in another man, I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt–not that it makes a difference, I’m not a Kanye fan.
    It also sickens me to see how such fads spread so quickly. In freshman year of college, one guy shows up saying the word “Bong” a lot. Next thing you know, the whole got-damn building was saying bong-this and bong-that. Of course, I’d practice saying it in private, but would refrain from actually saying it in public–I just couldn’t do that to myself. The most recent example is definitely Cam’ron’s usage of “No Homo” which has now spread to the internet and lapped up by the likes of Byron Crawford. Bol, on any given Sunday, will use the term no less than 4 times on his blog entries and now it’s standard fare to use the term if you say anything that a 13year old would deem “gay.” It’s really all immature and goes to show that hip-hop is no less susceptible to stupid fads and immature kids that will worship people like Bol…

    Good topic Tara… I’m glad to see your energy level is up, it’s much needed now on this site. Peace, out…

  • che

    >To tell the truth, I wish that a bunch of famous rappers would come out of the closet.

    I don’t. not for ethical reasons, but i just don’t wanna turn on the tv one day and see a male version of the big pimpin’ video.

    Think about it, there’s a reason why you’ve never seen jay-z without a top on in a fiddy-esque manner.

  • Eastside Bread Maker

    OK, since no one here has mentioned it, I can only assume its because most of you either dont believe in or dont read the Bible (Specifically the Old Testament). BUt i have a problem with homosexuals for the simple fact that is deemed as immoral in the eyes of the Almighty Creator. Now quite granted as time has gone on there are many things that were once considered to be wrong that have become the norm in society. And the fact that this society has very little respect for any type of divinity is illustrated in hard-core porn and soft-core porn also known as music videos. But the fact still remains that homosexuality is wrong. And as much as i love to look at two women go at it, even thats wrong.

    Gays have been around since biblical times (Soddom and Gomorah) and it was as unnacceptable in moral societies then as it is now. The thing is that in these times, we have been pulled further away from all forms of morality and whatever it is that our heart conceives, as long as it can be justified to some degree, we feel to be right.

    In relating all of this to hip hop, all i can say is that i am sure that there are gay rappers, and i would take just as much displeasure in hearing them rap about their encounters with dudes as I do when i hear Remy Ma talk about everyday I’m fucking him!

  • http://nahright.com eskay

    >>which must really suck.

    ayoo

    (sorry Tara, couldn’t help myself)

  • Fernando

    Id really like to agree with you here….I really would. But gheyness in Hip-Hop is as bad or worse than teh gheyness in the NFL or NBA. If dudes want to smoke pole or bury their heads in another man’s ass, go head. I just dont want to hear about it, or listen to it in my music. Homosexuality SHOULD NOT BE PROMOTED. As long as they arent being hunted down and killed, I have no problem with making fun of teh gheyness. Its already everywhere on T.V and too many people think that nasty shit is kool. They can do what they want…just dont shove it in my face and constantly whine about being discriminated against. The reason we punk dudes for bein ghey is BECAUSE THAT SHIT IS NASTY!

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    Wow that is sad…being gay is not natural…its is mental confusion on top of being perverted…it all boils down to doing what your not supposed to…God made man and woman for a reason…look a nature…do you see any male dogs doing male dogs…do you see female lions humping each other…the answer to that is no…why because it is not natural…i put homosexual behavior on the same level as a woman or a man having intercourse with a animal…its not natural…clearly its possible…but it is not natural…all those who are gay somewhere along the line became confused about their sexuality…it could be due to lack of a male or female figure in the home…it could be due to rape…it could be due to that person feeling that they aren’t good males or females because of how they look or act so they put themselves into a category of being gay to relieve themselves of the pressure of being a REAL man or woman…the bottom line is that it is a mental sickness…you are not born gay…it is a choice…also its sad to see society accepting this type of behavior…if you accept this you might as well accept humans having sex with animals…and if you accept both you really need to question you moral fiber…more and more people are becoming gay because of the media propaganda which results in societies acceptance…I’ll pray for you homosexuals out there…hopefully you will recognize the error in your ways and repent

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    Another thing these rappers talkin bout being with two girls and my girl got a girlfriend…thats bullshit i love women and their bodies but i dont want to be with two women who are kissing each other…that shit is wrong…so No there is no double standard…two men together is wrong and two women together is wrong

  • Mikey Ess AKA SukedowN

    The use of “(no homo)” doesn’t NECESSARILY have any correlation to how you view homosexuals.

    I, for example, have no problem with gays or the gay lifestyle. I find it especially ironic that the hip-hop community, largely stereotyped itself, is so quick to bash another group of whom is in the minority.

    I never use “(no homo)” in real life or internet narratives.

    However, in internet narratives, I’ll never hesitate to throw in a “(no George Alan O’Dowd) or a “(no Rob Halford)” whenever I get the chance (no John Mark Karr).

    It’s just for fun, in no way am I directly perpetuating homophobia.

  • Dr. Colossus
  • Dr. Colossus

    We need to worry more about making our lives better than this bullshit. Let’s work on socialized health care….

  • thoreauly77

    djpeanutbutterandjelly- you are entitled to your opinion. your analogies are gay though.

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    THOREAULY77

    LET ME START BY SAYING YOUR IGNORANT

    OK…WHATS SOO GAY ABOUT MY “ANALOGIES”

    I THINK YOU JUST LIKE TO ARGUE WITH ME

    EVERYTHING THAT I SAID IS FACT NOT OPINION…ALSO ITS NATURAL LAW THAT I LIVE BY

  • http://nahright.com eskay

    >>It’s just for fun, in no way am I directly perpetuating homophobia.

    co-sign

    (no Lance Bass)

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    NOT THE NORMS OF THE SOCIETY I LIVE IN…WE LIVE IN A AGE WHERE RIGHT IS WRONG AND WRONG IS RIGHT…EVERYTHING IS ASS-BACKWARDS…JUST HOW LUCIFER WANTS ITS

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT WHAT I SAID TARA…I HOPE I CHANGE THE WAY PEOPLE LOOK AT HOMOSEXUALITY BECAUSE ITS WRONG

  • Enlightened

    che Says:
    September 28th, 2006 at 7:57 am

    “Think about it, there’s a reason why you’ve never seen jay-z without a top on in a fiddy-esque manner.”
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Hell yeah, the reason is, he know he flabby as hell under there. All niggas know when they fit enough to be taking they shirt off in public. On some real shit, I ain’t the nigga to be taking my shirt off in public right now either. I’m a little flabby with my shit too right about now!

  • Enlightened

    At the end of the day. BEING GAY IS WRONG AND THE MOST UNNATURAL THING ON THIS PLANET. That being said, I have gay relatives and I’ve worked with gay people and I’m not homophobic – meaning I can chill around them. But I still know that shit’s wrong.
    THERE ARE PLENTY OF GAY PEOPLE THAT WILL TELL YOU THEMSELVES THAT THEY KNOW IT’S WRONG – I appreciate that and I let them do them.
    Hey, you can smoke crack if you want too, just don’t be trying to convince me that it ain’t nothing wrong with that shit. Just say that you can’t help yourself or that’s just how you choose to live.

  • DJ Lucky Luke

    Hey, DJ Incredible…

    …turn the CAPS LOCK off you homo.

    Now, I don’t necessarily support the gay-rights movement because, well, I’m not gay. If I naturally felt attracted to men and there was nothing I could do about it, then obviously things would be different, but they aren’t because I’m not. Get it? Now, that said, how about you leave the gays alone with your opinions–you’re a closed-minded Bible Reader on a path to your own hell. How about you pay more attention to Islam and how some of their closed-minded leaders want your Christian-ass dead…same thing, different context. Work it out.

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    DJ Lucky Luke Says:

    September 28th, 2006 at 11:51 am
    Hey, DJ Incredible…

    …turn the CAPS LOCK off you homo.

    Now, I don’t necessarily support the gay-rights movement because, well, I’m not gay. If I naturally felt attracted to men and there was nothing I could do about it, then obviously things would be different, but they aren’t because I’m not. Get it? Now, that said, how about you leave the gays alone with your opinions–you’re a closed-minded Bible Reader on a path to your own hell. How about you pay more attention to Islam and how some of their closed-minded leaders want your Christian-ass dead…same thing, different context. Work it out.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    DUDE I CAN TELL FROM YOUR REMARKS YOU DONT KNOW SHIT ABOUT SHIT(NO UNNATURAL)….BEING ATTRACTED TO THE SAME SEX IS PERVERTED…AND ME BEING CLOSE-MINDED IS NOT THE CASE…THATS LIKE SAYING “A PERSON NOT WANTING TO STICK A MOP UP THEIR ASS IS BEING CLOSE-MINDED”…AND HOW DOES READING THE BIBLE LEAD YOU TO A PATH OF HELL…YES I READ IT BECAUSE THERE IS VALUED INFO IN THERE THAT SERVES AS A REFERENCE TO LIFE ITSELF..THE BOOK IS TIMELESS(ALPHA&OMEGA)…AT THE SAME TIME I LIVE BASED ON NATURAL LAW…YOU DO THAT YOU CANT GO WRONG…ALSO THE TEN COMMANDMENTS…AS FAR AS ISLAM VS CHRISTIAN…IM NEITHER…IM SPIRITUAL…THATS MY RELIGION…I LIVE TO PLEASE THE MOST HIGH…MY SPIRITUAL FATHER…IM NOT PERFECT BUT I KNOW RIGHT FROM WRONG

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    DJ Lucky Luke Says:
    If I naturally felt attracted to men and there was nothing I could do about it, then obviously things would be different, but they aren’t because I’m not.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    IF YOU ARE ATTRACTED TO MEN YOU SHOULD FIRST ACKNOWLEDGE THE FACT THAT SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH YOUR MIND…THEN TAKE STEPS TO REVERSE THOSE PERVERTED THOUGHTS

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    THE REASON WHY ISLAM IS AT WAR WITH THE ZIONIST IS BECAUSE THEIR WAY OF LIFE IS BEING THREATNED…THE US HAS NO RIGHT TO IMPOSE ON OTHER COUNTRIES…ITS CALLED N.W.O.

  • Mikey Ess AKA SukedowN

    Unnatural, hey? Did your preacher tell you that?

    “The fact is that among the approximately 1500 animal species whose behavior has been extensively studied, homosexual behavior in animals has been described in at least 450 of those species.”

    Since y’all are screaming to be enlightened on the issue, please read…

    http://www.bidstrup.com/marriage.htm

  • tHe tRaNsIeNt

    u completely wrong, tara

    homosexuality is now tolerated in hip hop..sickamore is the best example i can think of

  • nocal

    If you had read my post, you would know that a study shows that the biggest homophobes show the most arousal when viewing material of a gay nature.

  • http://rockthedub.blogspot.com khal

    yo i had to stop reading this after you spoke on Kanye saying his shit about homophobia. He is King Hypocrite. He is on MTV talking about “stop saying shit is Gay, people made Gay the antithesis of Hip-Hop”, then he drops a line in that DJ Khaled song “Grammy Family”, talking about “Used to hit the radio them faggots ain’t let me on”

    what kind of wack shit is that?!

    http://www.lyricsdir.com/dj-khaled-grammy-family-lyrics.html

  • DJ Lucky Luke

    I said:

    “If I naturally felt attracted to men and there was nothing I could do about it…”

    You said:

    “IF YOU ARE ATTRACTED TO MEN YOU SHOULD FIRST ACKNOWLEDGE THE FACT THAT SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH YOUR MIND”

    So…
    “Your Spiritual Father” does make mistakes…

  • DJ Lucky Luke

    you also said:

    “IM NOT PERFECT ”

    no one is…
    so to that I give you: Judge not, lest thy be judged…

  • DJ Lucky Luke

    “homosexuality is now tolerated in hip hop..sickamore is the best example i can think of”

    –like they say, “real talk”

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    IM NOT JUDGING ANYONE ALL IM SAYING IS ITS WRONG…IF YOU HAD A KID AND THEY WITNESSED SOMEONE SHOOT ROB AND SHOOT A PERSON…WOULD YOU NOT TELL THEM RIGHT FROM WRONG OR WOULD YOU SAY JUDGE NOT…TELL ME WHAT WOULD THAT BRING ABOUT…CONFUSION IN THAT CHILDS MIND…WHICH IS MY POINT WE WERE GIVEN THE ABILITY TO DISTINGUISH RIGHT FROM WRONG…HOMOSEXUALITY IS WRONG…AND ANIMAL ENGAGING IN HOMOSEXUAL IS BS…AND WHEN IT DOES OCCUR IT RESULTS FROM CONFUSION AND CAPTIVITY

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    ANYONE CAN TYPE SOMETHING INTO A GOOGLE OR YAHOO SEARCH…OFCOURSE SOMETHING WILL POP UP…PROBABLY PRODUCED BY SOME EDUCATED FOOL WHO PROBABLY IS AN ATHEIST…THE BOTTOM LINE IS IT CAN NOT BE JUSTIFIED…

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    MY LAST REMARK:

    IF HOMOSEXUALITY IS SO NATURAL TELL ME WHY THE CAN NOT PROCREATE?

    JUSTIFY THAT

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    WERE YOU BROUGHT TO THIS EARTH BY TWO HOMOSEXUALS

  • e

    homosexuality is now tolerated in hip hop..sickamore is the best example i can think of
    ^^^^^
    LMAO Transi is a comic genius

    Dj N Credible sounds like some extremist evangelical christian

  • http://www.allhiphop.com Rey

    lol @ Thor, and LMAO at Transi. Yo, N-Cred.. you need to relax, homey.

  • G Off

    DJ NSync- you are really wasting everyone’s time here. WE GET YOUR POINT… YOU CAN’T TURN CAPS LOCK OFF AND YOU ARE AN EXPERT ON ANIMAL HOMOSEXUALITY. CONGRATULATIONS!

    I feel bad for these people who have let religion tell them that girl on girl action isn’t fun for everyone!

  • DJ Lucky Luke

    Look, DJ Incredible…

    …the topic is homosexuality. That’s the only reason why I’m talking about you…

    Period.

    reread my post, I’m not defending one side nor the other. You’re getting too worked up for someone who’s all alone…

  • yaboy

    Dj N Credible sounds like some extremist evangelical christian
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    co fucking sign

    ncredible is getting a little too heavy with this. ALSO,

    ANYONE CAN TYPE SOMETHING INTO A GOOGLE OR YAHOO SEARCH…OFCOURSE SOMETHING WILL POP UP…PROBABLY PRODUCED BY SOME EDUCATED FOOL WHO PROBABLY IS AN ATHEIST…THE BOTTOM LINE IS IT CAN NOT BE JUSTIFIED…

    ^^^^^
    some educated fool?? id tend to believe them over some herb named ncredible basing all his/her beliefs off the bible. good greif.

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    yet again they resort to childish antics…sad day for humanity

  • Young A. Simmons

    DJevangelist, get off Jesus’ dick. You’ve made your point, stop flogging the dead horse with your faggetry ramblings.

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    …I NEVER UNDERSTOOD HOW CAPS COULD BOTHER SOMEONE…ANYONE…

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    Young A. Simmons Says:

    September 28th, 2006 at 1:27 pm
    DJevangelist, get off Jesus’ dick. You’ve made your point, stop flogging the dead horse with your faggetry ramblings
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    WOW

  • http://www.jimiizrael.com the iz

    Tara, I think black men in America have struggled since antgebellum times to establish a male identity free of inter and intra-racial presumptions. That struggle continues. It’s harder to be unapologetically straight nnow than it has ever been. The truth is hip-hop isn’t anti-gay: it’s pro black hetero, and the mainstream establishment in this country has always had a problem with the unabashed, unreconstructed black male voiice. A voice that more or less, demands to be taken seriously.

    Avoding further pedantics, I think the introlerance of homosexuality in hip-hop culture –which borne from it’s corner rap poetry roots, the unapologetic staright black male voice–is complicated by factors that (and you know I love you) as a white woman (and Canadian, which removes you in all kinds of ways from the conversation), you may be free to comment on, but I’m not sure you have the toolset neccesary to deconstruct it in any serious way.

    Don’t let that stop you, sister. Monster post. Keep up the good work. I see you.

  • http://aramhiphopetc.blogspot.com/2006_09_01_aramhiphopetc_archive.html I Fux

    go ahead be gay but not in hip-hop that shit will never ever match together

    “Gay Hip-hop artist Lloyd Banks was shot today” how does that sound

    ^ better yet it sounds about right

  • Fernando

    Djchickennoodlesoup……

    Why does everything have to be a god damn history lesson with you?? And you dont like the thought of two girls at once?? Whats wrong with you? Im all in favor of the double standard. Two chicks messing around with me in the middle is fantastic (yes I did pull it off once in high-school). Two men is JUST FOUL. I dont think there are too many females that want two guys gettin nasty with her (unless they are running a train on her which is perfectly acceptable). Male gheyness is the worst thing ever. Fuckin hiv horsies.

    P.S – Im going to San Francisco this weekend, I hope I dont end up socking sum faggit in the mouth after all this venting. Tara you are wrong

  • Fernando

    THE IZ – Good post, actually thought provoking.

    The iz = what Dj-n-crediblylameassbitch wishes his posts came out like.

    Its not hard to tell somebody that IS educated versus someone who fronts. (Dj-gimp)

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    Fernando Says:

    September 28th, 2006 at 1:47 pm
    THE IZ – Good post, actually thought provoking.

    The iz = what Dj-n-crediblylameassbitch wishes his posts came out like.

    Its not hard to tell somebody that IS educated versus someone who fronts. (Dj-gimp)
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    WOW

  • http://www.okayplayer.com Spark

    dj n shut tha fuck up!!!!

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT:

    THESE GUYS RESPONDING WITH THESE IGNORANT COMMENTS ABOUT ME ARE BOL’S WORSHIPPERS…THEY COME TOGETHER ON BOL’S BLOG TO FORM THE “MIGHTDUCKS” DAY AFTER DAY CHECK THEIR IGNORANCE OUT…EVEN THOUGH THEIR IGNORANCE IS OBVIOUS IN THE COMMENTS THEY POST

  • Danja29

    N-CRED… you comin’ off REAL defensive. Would you like to share somethin’ with us?

    And I DO believe that there’s def. some homos in hip-hop. When you consider how many gay people there are, and then consider how many rappers there are- it sure ain’t rocket science to figure out that those two ratios cross paths SOMEWHERE. And I’ll even go as far as to say, it PROBLY ain’t the ones we think.

  • E.Williams

    This was a very thought provoking article.The world is homophobic,why wouldn’t hip hop be.

  • http://www.jimiizrael.com the iz

    …all this said, take a look back at the old-school cats in the game when rap started to be mass-produced and mainstreamed. In elf-boots, eye-liner, leather pants and boas. Those are some faggody-looking motherfuckers. G-Master Flash and the Furious Five look like a bunch of jailhouse gorilla queers. But this was back in the day when the only way you got any pussy was to look like a woman. If you pee the magazines from those days, you see Kashif, Rick James, Prince, The Time, the Sugarhill Gang, George Clinton and the P-funk All Stars–all dressed like queers. Some of that was because in a move to make rap less threatening and appeal to disaffected white youth, someone got the idea that the move was to take fashion cues from the Village Punk scene, which was excatly what it was –a bunch of punks (queers) that hung out in the Village. What “village” did you think the “Village People
    were from?

    Run DMC and LL Cool J, to thier credit, made it OK to dress like a real street dude, because all the other rappers–Kool Moe Dee, Ice T, Afrika Bambaata, were dressing like punks, wearing lace gloves, feather earrings and all that shit. When they first came out, Run DMC and LL got clown for having no style or class. They dressed like “common thugs”. It was cool to be sexual, but it wasn’t cool to be masculine and exude (street) machismo in the early days of hip-hop. This, in my opinon, accounts for a generation of rappers who over-state the point and over-sell black machismo. But this black machismo sells, and it appeals to the biggest over-all consumer of rap music (and popular music in general): white women.

    I think its OK to be gay. I got nothing against gay dudes. But the backlash in hip-hop is borne of the idea that it isn’t ok to be straight. Gay folks have to let people be straight without apology. Everyone shouldn’t have to sign off on what you do in the privacy of your own bedroom. There is something real sick about that, and there is a real fagification of America in general and black men in particuilar that many map to the rash of single mother households in the 70s and 80s. But I suspect this diatribe is getting too academic for the room….

    carry on.

  • DJ Lucky Luke

    damn…
    …talk about playing yourself

    Like Brand Nubian said:

    “Punks step up to get beat down”

  • Fernando

    All you said was WOW.

    I can live with that. Worshiping BOL??? Thats funny. Its more of a gathering place to talk shit about hip-hop, current events, and Bol’s pathetic fat ass. He merely facilitates arguments. His posts arent even that good, he just has new ones everyday, so it makes things easy.

    Dj-dipshit – You on the other hand are nothing more than a XXL blog whipping boy. You realize that your sole purpose is to say dumb shit & get sunned out of the room everyday right????

  • Fernando

    Preach on IZ….

    lol @ “elf boots” & “jailhouse gorilla queers”

    “See back then, the mothafucka that dressed most like a bitch, had all the women”

    -Charlie Murphy in Chappelles “Rick James” skit

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    MY POPS MOLESTED ME! OKAY, NOW ARE YOU ALL HAPPY?

  • propane piff

    some frogs can change there own sex and frogs are made by god. lol does that make them unnatural. oh an animal homosexuatlty has been around seens foreva, n i seens a dog f**k a cat befor (shyt was crazy). lions n tigers be smashing too. don’t say being gay is not natural because wat do u know wat natural is?

  • http://aramhiphopetc.blogspot.com/2006_09_01_aramhiphopetc_archive.html I Fux

    ^ cosign

  • Meka Soul

    the reason people get extra defensive about a topic like this could be because they may have been [in]directly in a situation like it…

  • choppers

    HAHAHA, BOL COME OUT THE CLOSET U FAGGOT ASS BITCH.

  • john cochran

    The picture hurt Cam so much because he’s one of these guys always running around saying no homo. A guy like Mr. West couldda did it and it wouldn’t have been a problem. Back to this “No Homo” shit though. I never understood it. It’s childish to say no homo after you say something. If your not a homo you dont have to remind people you’re not. In fact, you opening your mouth saying no homo means you yourself found something homo about your own statement.

  • john cochran

    with All of the immoral and sometimes illegal shit people talk in the comment section, now you nibbas got morals when it comes to faggots hah. Yall are Hypocrites. You think God see favor in your sexual activities just cause they with a woman. No! I mean I know its wrong in the bible, but so is alot of other shit we do everyday. So stop judging people. 100

  • Enlightened

    propane piff Says:

    don’t say being gay is not natural because wat do u know wat natural is?
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^
    This why I say it’s not natural. Even if you take God and religion completely out of it.
    You mean to tell me that it’s a coincidence that there are only 2 distinct groups of people on this earth: one male and one female. One happens to have a dick that points out. One happens to have a pussy that the dick fits into. When that dick goes into that pussy, this is the only NATURAL way that another human being can be brought onto this planet.
    IS THAT A COINCIDENCE?

  • The DJ Formerly Known as N-CREDIBLE

    THESE ARE THE TIMES

  • http://politikditto.blogspot.com/ Mr. Grey Ghost

    I think Tara is trying to make an issue of something that’s just no there: the idea that anyone who uses what at most has become a popular vernacular term, must hate gay people is ridiculous. My guess is that you’re a liberal because only people with that mindset would come to your conclusion. How does using “no homo” make someone afraid of gays? Where are your stats to back that up? And even if someone disagrees with homosexuality, since when does that make ‘em “homophobic”? It’s always the liberals who dont understand the difference between tolerance and acceptance. And of course, hip-hop must be blamed because hip-hop gets blamed for everything on the planet–yet I recall an infamous “Seinfeld” episode in which the main characters constantly, when confronted with allegations that might be gay made sure to say that they weren’t, than added “not that there’s anything wrong with that”. The point being that everyone knew it was a joke and the “Seinfeld” characters didnt hate gays just because they denied being gays. Yet, how many times have we seen gays try to “out” straight people for the sake of it? Liberals love to have it both ways, the hypocrites.

  • Mikey Ess AKA SukedowN

    ^^^ I don’t know about all that.

  • H-Man

    I refuze 2 speak on such subjectz…I will not risk alienatin any portion of my fan base…

  • G Off

    Mr. Grey Ghost, go back to foxnews.com and put the president’s dick back in your mouth.

  • http://www.myspace.com/petelastname1 Pete Lastname

    I think that if an established rapper came out of the closet, it might actually help their career even more. Just an hypothesis, but, ya, there are a lot of ignorant homophobic hip hop consumers out there. So I don’t know.

    Praise on this blog.

    myspace.com/petelastname1

  • bob

    “what are your stats to back that up”

    can you really have stats measuring level of homophobia? ‘on a scale from 1-5, with 1 being strongly against and 5 being strongly supportive, what is your attitude towards gays?”

    and of course tara is going to talk about homophobia only in hip hop, because that’s what she’s here to do. she isn’t writing a seinfeld blog.

    and how can you disagree with homosexuality but not judge gay people? you’re judging an aspect of their lifestyle, which for some of them, is a defining part of who they are. do you think your open disapproval of their way of life makes them feel good? don’t you think you’re alienating them? they have feelings, they’re people. oh, but you’re so generous for letting them be homosexuals in your society. really, if they would every ask for anything more, it’d just be too much.

    “liberals love to have it both ways, the hypocrites.” get a serious opinion and stop being a clown.

    serious props to tara for this post, i was thinking about this as recently as yesterday with all the vaguely bigoted anti-gay shit that goes down in the comments section (and on bol’s blog … alongside his anti-semitism, but is he joking about that too?).

  • micguevara

    Mr. Grey Ghost not once in the entire post did she say useing the term “no homo” ment anyhting,she used it as a simple phrase,did you read the post?

  • micguevara

    you know kanye gets blasted a lot for his comments about homphobia and how he was more femine was he grew up with his moms,but noone dissed tupac when he SAID THE SAME EXACT THING.thoes quotes can be fund in the 2pac ressuerection movie.

  • DJ Lucky Luke

    I will…

    …2Pac was a bitch-made homo.

  • cacapoopoo

    fags

  • Enlightened

    micguevara Says:

    September 29th, 2006 at 7:34 am
    you know kanye gets blasted a lot for his comments about homphobia and how he was more femine was he grew up with his moms,but noone dissed tupac when he SAID THE SAME EXACT THING.thoes quotes can be fund in the 2pac ressuerection movie.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Naw, actually homie, you’re kind of reaching. 2Pac spoke on being sensitive from growing up with his mother but Kanye took it much further saying he had to DEFEND himself about people saying he was gay. 2Pac never said people thought he was gay.

    But the icing on the cake to me was when Kanye said (exact quote) – “it made me look at myself and say, ‘why does everybody else walk like this, but I walk different’”. He had other quotes like that which made it a lot different.

  • http://www.myspace.com/16kingz thebestout!!

    REAL NIGGAS DON’T GET DOWN WIT’ STICKIN’ OTHER MEN FIRST OFF BECUASE IT’S JUST DOWN RIGHT FOUL AND SECONDLY IF YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF UPBRINGIN’ IT’S WRONG IN THE EYES OF GOD!! LET ME REPEAT THAT FOR YOU SLOW MUTHA’FUCKAS WHO DON’T SEEM TO UNDRESTAND -I-T-S-W-R-O-N-G-I-N-T-H-E-E-Y-E-S-O-F-G-O-D!!!!! SO IF NIGGAS DON’T EMBRACE THAT SHIT GOOD IT’LL MAKE THE PLACE A LOT SAFER ESPECIALLY FOR YOUNGER WOMEN WHO DON’T KNOW ABOUT THESE TRIFLIN’ ASS NIGGAS. FUCK BEIN’ GAY, FUCK GAY PEOPLE, FUCK EMBRACIN’ THEY LIFE STYLE AND STILL NO HOMO ALL DAY (NO DIPSET!)

  • twerkolator

    fuck the war on drugs. let’s have a war on ignorance…

  • SUPERMAN

    THIS ARTICLE IS GAY! NO HOMO!

  • SUPERMAN

    DJ FORMERLY KNOWN AS N-CREDIBLE, YOU TOOK THE WORDS OUT MY MOUTH. IM WITH YOU 200%. IM GLAD YOU TYPED ALL THAT THOUGH CUZ I REALLY DIDNT WANT TO. AFTER YOUR POST EVERYTHING EVRYONE ELSE SAID AFTERWARDS IS POINTLESS. CONTINUE TO SKOOL THESE NIGGAS. ONE!

  • SUPERMAN

    IF NIGGAS THINK THERES NOTHING WRONG WITH TWO DUDES FUCKING, YA NIGGAS NEED TO FUCKIN SEE A PSYCHOLOGIST. CUZ IF HIP HOP ALLOWS THAT SHIT TOO HAPPEN, SOON NIGGAS WILL BE SAYIN THERE AINT NOTHIN WRONG WITH PEOPLE HUMPIN ANIMALS. THEN SHIT’LL GET REAL UGLY!

  • SUPERMAN

    EVERYBODY TARAS A LESBIAN THATS WHY SHE FELT SO COMFORTABLE TYPING THIS ARTICLE!

  • AirlineGeneral

    well all in all….fuck gay dudes….the bitches are aight especially when you got two in the bed lol

  • Prince Of The South

    I’ll put it out there now. I heard Diddy is the gay rapper. Not Wayne, though kissing a guy in the mouth is pretty homo. A few years back Wendy Williams got fired because she said she had a tape of him with another man. Bet he was telling that guy on the tape to “take that take that.”

  • KICKER

    there is something wrong with being scared of gays….

    i dont think homophobe is the correct word that should be used.

  • alleyeCNtower

    Excellent article, Tara. You know I know what you’re talking about… no homo ;)

    Which is the silliest, most immature, most homophobic, and most psychotically hyper-masculine statement that hip hop has spawned maybe in its entire existence.

    the amount of gayness that goes down in hip hop is the biggest, darkest secret in the industry. but these grown ass lil ghetto boys in their second childhood can’t deal with the facts about Dr. Dre or The Game or Eminem or someone they know and love secretly being a bi-sexual or gay man.

    the day will come.
    and if it doesn’t, the culture will continue to lie to itself and ultimately NOT KEEP IT REAL.

    fuck it. those who know the truth already know about this. those who deny and doubt it, are just ignorant souls full of fear and hate, if not just a small mind unwilling to open to the truth.

    which is: one of your favorite rappers is a gay Black man doing hip hop. period.

    deal with it. and have a nice day! :)
    peace Tara

  • micguevara

    “hip-hop is rebelious music thierfor only the rebels should use it”

    So what is natural?is being gay rebeling against nature?

  • http://www.soundclick.com/rcvthamc RCV tha MC

    I DON’T CARE WHAT KAYNE SAID, FUCK FAGGOTS!!!!

  • NickeNitro

    Wow, lots of comments, here’s my three cents, even if no one reads it:

    1. Homophobia is perpetuated by mainstream culture at least as much as it is by rap music, just more indirectly. I mean, if I didn’t happen to know gay people personally and wasn’t able to see that they are just as normal as anyone else, I’d think gay men were annoying, overly-groomed, celebrity-obsessed, shopaholic chickenheads with lisps who only care about having “fabulous feng shui” and probably be homophobic. And I’d think gay women were either hot nymphos or butch golfers. Thankfully, I’ve experienced enough to know that’s only true for those who fallen prey to media imagery.

    2. I imagine some rappers have strong homophobia for the same reasons some black people do. It’s probably the same reason the kid who gets picked on the playground it always the one who picks on the new guy to get picked on the most. It’s hard to care about someone else’s civil rights when you’re still busy fighting for your own.

    3. From the way I’m hearing most lyrics, they seem to be using fag, gay, and homo to refer to people who have annoying, overly-groomed, celebrity-obsessed, shopaholic chickenhead with a lisp tendencies (or jock-riding tendencies) rather than people engaging in samesex relations. Kinda like ‘nigga’ is used like ‘dude’ and not like the way Sen. George Allen uses it.

    The only place I seem to keep hearing about the whole “gay rapper” stuff (besides as a reference to what I just discussed) is corporate media outlets like yours, Tara. You might be distributing disinformation that defaces the music again.

    Personally, I wish the whole issue would die (with gays being given equal rights, of course). If we keep letting them distract us with side issues like this, pretty soon none of us will have any rights. I don’t even know if we do anymore after The Hitler Act: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/28/opinion/28thu1.html?ex=1317096000&en=3eb3b23c27944ff9&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss.

  • NickeNitro

    Basically, what I’m saying is that the same people perpetuating strong homophobic sentiment in society are the same people perpetuating strong anti-homophobic sentiment. They want to keep us fighting amongst ourselves over stupid shit so we’re to preoccupied to notice that they’re accumulating all the wealth and power and stripping us of all our rights.

    It’s going to keep getting worse if we can’t rise above this nonsense.

  • DipSet

    It’s just a cultural thing. People in the hip hop community know homosexuals, work with homosexuals, and tolerate homosexuals in everyday life. But most people are just unwilling to openly accept and support them because of the social stigma attached.

    Oh, and before I forget…..no homo.

  • thoreauly77

    good to know “enlightened”‘s philospophy so appropriately fits his (her?) moniker.

  • el d

    Real talk. Keep fighting the power!

  • Tha CHAMP

    im sure i feel like alot of yall; i dont really got a problem with fags–until they come around me. im not gonna sit there n just not talk to a dude in class jus cause hes gay. i kno some cool gay people, but i wouldnt be seen with them outside school n i would be fuckin heated if they came onto me

    real shit

  • RIPTHEMIC

    fuck all the homos! no homo!

  • Avenger

    Bottomline the no homo saying is a way to divert attention away from the fact that you are homophobic. My thoughts are folks who are homophobes aren’t afraid of what gay people will do to them. they are afraid of what they are going to make them do (i.e. bring out there inner homo).
    I am straight and I don’t care what these folks do as there life style it is there business not mine as long as they don’t interfer with me. I won’t interfer with them.
    Hip-hop is too childish (no lil wayne)to actually tackle a subject like this it reflects the black communities own issue with dealing with the subject and thus pop culture creates hype like DL bros on every corner etc…
    It just take knowing who you are and what you want, if you are grounded and true to self nothing can change this. If you are trying to fight the feeling you don’t want reminders of your own weakness

    Dipset got some homos in it not all of them but they probably got some ish going on they got to keep down for crew sake. The whole pretty boy thug angle is stupid because if you are a pretty boy you can’t be a true thug for long cause you got to fight. fo yo set foooooool LOL

  • mikey

    crazy shit

    no homo

  • Therealness

    There were only two homo rappers that i know of..

    LL cool J and Tupac

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