It’s our anniversary

2006 may not be a great year for rap music, but it’s shaping up to be one hell of a year for anniversaries. The next few weeks alone will mark the 30th anniversary of the self-titled debut album by Boston (don’t front), the 10th anniversary of the alleged assassination of 2Pac, the fifth anniverary of Jay-Z’s alleged classic album the Blueprint, the fifth anniversary of 9/11, and the first anniversary of Hurricane Katrina.

I should do posts on all of these, but today I thought it’d be interesting to take a look at those last two. While the attacks of 9/11 were aguably more tragic than Hurricane Katrina and the subsequent flooding of New Orleans (3,000 > 2,000), it would seem as if the latter has resonated a lot more with the hip-hop community than the former. I wonder why this is so. Is Hurricane Katrina more hip-hop than 9/11?

In case you have heard, what’s left of the X-Clan has reformed both to help try to pay down Brother J’s AmEx and to urge people not to see Oliver Stone’s new 9/11 movie World Trade Center. According to someone presumably associated with X-Clan, the film is racist because a black marine who helped rescue the two police officers from the rubble between the collapsed towers is portrayed by a white man.

Which is obviously just wrong. That said, I wonder how many in the hip-hop community would even be interested in a movie about 9/11 anyway, regardless of the fact that it’s directed by the same guy who wrote the god-awful Scarface. A fellow named Terrence went to see World Trade Center recently and reports that there was hardly a jig to be found in the theater.

I applaud the activism, but I personally don’t think too many blacks are interested in 9-11 movies anyway. When I went to see United 93, I don’t recall seeing any blacks there – and if there were – not enough to take notice. Same with Oliver Stone’s revisionist trash, World Trade Center. I was the only Negro up in that movie theatre, so honestly, I don’t think blacks, in general, are too interested in seeing 9-11 cinema.

Which is about consistent with the time I saw United 93 (more so because it was a Paul Greengrass film than a 9/11 film) earlier this year. Not that attendance at 9/11 films is an accurate measure of a group’s relative interest in the event, but I think it’s pretty safe to say that black people in general care less about 9/11 than white people.

The truth of the matter is that there weren’t very many black people either on the planes or in the towers themselves. KRS-One made a similar point a couple of years ago while serving on a panel for the New Yorker Festival and actually went so far as to say that he cheered the attacks.

KRS-One’s comments came during an October 2 discussion panel at The New Yorker Festival. He ignited heated reactions when he stated that security guards at the Twin Towers did not let blacks enter because of their manner of speech and dress, and that because of that discrimination, “when the planes hit the building, we were like, ‘Mmmm … justice.’ “

Or as they say in Oxford, that’s what you get. In fact, it’s worth noting that some in the academic field, perhaps most notably insane fake-Indian Ward Churchill have suggested that the attacks were warranted, since the crack-ass crackas who worked in the towers essentially functioned as the “little Eichmanns” of American empire.

Meanwhile, I would imagine quite a few in the hip-hop community, at least those of us who have cable, will be tuning in for Spike Lee’s Hurricane Katrina documentary When the Levees Broke: A Requiem in Four Acts, which airs in two parts tonight and tomorrow night on HBO and in one four hour block on Tuesday August 29th, the first anniversary of Katrina.

Indeed it can be argued that Hurricane Katrina is more authentically hip-hop than 9/11, since the former disproportionately affected the disenfranchised in general and poor black people in particular while the latter tended to affect wealthier white people more so than anyone else.

It’s no coincidence that we were affected by the one so much more than the other, and I think it’s only right that we care more about the one that affected us than the one that affected them.

  • slap fire out a blog

    first , its a celebration

  • slap fire out a blog

    I think the reason why Katrina was more hip hop than 9/11 is mainly because of the population of people it affected. Hip hop comes from the urban “ghetto” streets and these are the images that were plastered in front of us during Katrina. Durind 9/11 you didnt see streams and streams of young black people centrally located, walking around aimlesly and doing whatever we could to survive. When you see those who look like yourself it is going to touch you more so than the crakkas covered in ash. Granted I lived in NY during 9/11 and personally this time of year will bother me sore than Katrina ever will because I was there to see this happen. Hell I was standing on my roof of of Houston and saw the second plane hit in person………

    Plus you have to remeber 9/11 occured damn near the financial center of NY, not many of us lived there, and only few of us worked there…….

    In reference to the black marine who aided in the rescue efforts he was interviewed by several different media facets and he stated himslef that he could care less about the race of the person who portrayed him as long as the story was accurate, kinda strange isnt it?

  • Arcane

    Is Hurricane Katrina more hip-hop than 9/11?

    fuck dat ……prey dat shit wont happen again

    but wit bush still incharge you never know….

  • LONZO

    Back to the old ignorant blogs…..

  • e

    It’s a pretty gully move for you to adress aids, hurricane katrina, and 9/11 in a month but what happened I miss the blogs mocking weed carriers. How is Boston’s debut album relevant to hip hop?

  • http://rockthedub.blogspot.com khal

    ignorant? this was one of Bol’s more well-written posts. And I think there is some truth to that… most people only care about things that affect them, either directly or indirect. Unless a nigga lives in NYC (or some other big town), flies in planes, or is off to the Middle East to fight in this “war”, we don’t normally feel like al-Qaeda is about to murk us. Katrina, though, was some natural shit. And many niggas lost their lives (and in Baby’s case, cars) in that shit. Natural disasters can hit ANYWHERE, and cannot be avoided. I think this post makes sense on a few levels. And if you hit the babershops and liquor store commentators, there’s hella truth to these words.

  • Boner Jams 03

    Don’t make this a case of Hurrican Katrina being “more hip hop” than 9/11 ( what a fuckin ridiculous statement)…it all comes down to ( like everyhting else) money…Hurrican Katrina affected a city with a 70% Black population…and it specifically disenfranchised the poor of that city who didnt have resources to move before it hit whereas 9/11 was specifically planned by al-qaeda to serve as a symbol of their attack on our country’s global capitalism…it’s not the fact that hurrican katrina is “more hip-hop” ..its just the fact that it hit closer to home with more hip hop fans who happen to be black, living in the inner city and disenfranchised just like most of the victims of hurrican katrina

  • Arcane

    go take a look at loosechange 2nd edition video on google
    dat shit gon make you change how you felt about 9/11

    im no dumb ass
    this video is 4real crazy shit !!

  • Eastside Bread Maker

    Well this is the Best Blog that I have seen on this or any other website since Bol’s last blog about AIDS.

    Its also very interesting that I am the second person (or third or fourth depending on how long it takes for me to finish this post) to respond.

    Now on to the matter at hand. The reason that Katrina affects Blacks or the hip hop community more is because of the people that were effected by it. While there were many blacks that suffered a lost due to 9/11, the numbers pale in comparison to that of the people from New Orleans. I personally have not been affected by either tragedy, but I relate much more with Katrina than with 9/11. Reasons being is, first and foremost, the government does not give a shit about us black people and it was very clear and evident when President Bush, after weeks of ignoring the catastrophe that took place in the N.O. finally decided to take some action. Then he had the audacity to show up to N.O. with his dog in hand!!! Now there are many things about the entire situation that got under my skin, but that one stands out the most to me. Then the media sought it necessary to class the citizens of N.O. as refugees. Which according to the websters english dictionary means: One who flees in search of refuge, as in times of war, political oppression, or religious persecution.

    None of which applies to the situation that befell them in N.O.

    Getting back to why Hip Hop relates more to Katrina than 9/11 is because thats what rappers have encountered all the days of their lives. Rappers and people living in the urban cities of this country. The Gov’t doesn’t care about us. They seek to oppress us, and lock us up in order to keep us from rising up. They flood our communities with guns and drugs and then lock us up to make it seem as if they are doing a justice to the community. They allow a ery few of us to rise up to a certain level of success and achievement, but thats only if that individual toes-the-line properly, or becomes what we like to call a sell-out.

    In closing, i just wanna say fuck George Bush and DIPSET FOR LIFE!!!

  • http://xxlmag.com Bol

    >Hurrican Katrina affected a city with a 70% Black population…and it specifically disenfranchised the poor of that city who didnt have resources to move before it hit whereas 9/11 was specifically planned by al-qaeda to serve as a symbol of their attack on our country’s global capitalism

    Doesn’t that make Hurricane Katrina more hip-hop than 9/11 though? Is hip-hop not the music of the disenfranchised?

  • tHe tRaNsIeNt

    u a faggit ass nigga, bol

    is dis still conscious week or sum shit?

    it’s a pity da effects of katrina wit all da water and shit could’nt have happened in africa with all dem dirty ass thirsty african kids dat jay z wus galivating over 2 see bol blogged about a few week back

  • ronburgandy

    ^
    word.

  • I Fux

    fuck the world trade center and fuck Bush that nigga would get slapped in the face if I saw him

  • http://www.allhiphop.com Rey

    You pretty much said it all in the last two paragraphs, Bol.

    Regardless of the countless conspiracy theories that will be forthcoming on this topic, the loss of human life is always tragic, and that concerns me in itself, regardless of how it happened.

    In any event, you must be gunning for a raise or a talk show or something cuz on this site and your own site you’ve started giving people evidence that you actually give a shit about stuff other than Natty Light, White women, and the Gin Blossoms (who are playing on L.I. this weekend, but I’ll be at a wedding so I can’t see ‘em).

    Anyway, keep it up.

    Fuck you, Transi.

  • http://www.allhiphop.com Rey

    Word, I FUX– George Dubya definitely makes the “Slapping holy fire outta” list.

  • slap fire out a blog

    R.I.P to all who lost there lives in both incidents.

    R.I.P Juan Alvarez Cisneros
    Marlyn Garcia
    Shevonne Mentis

  • slap fire out a blog

    “fuck the world trade center”

    you cant be serious, FUCK YOU FUX

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  • you can run but you can’t hide.

    Here’s Alex Jones predicting 9/11

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGtOFudmHG8

    And if you have the time, watch Loosechange

  • DJ Lucky Luke

    One time on sohh.com, I was hating on the XXL photo shoot in New Orleans that showed the Nawlins kids showing off fly gear and acting really hood and shit. A few months later, all them fools got washed away. I was indifferent to that shit, man…indifferent. I might just be a damn hater, I don’t know…

  • you can run but you can’t hide.

    911 was an inside job to scare Americans into giving up their rights and to support a war in the mid-east.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxz1jbPCfTQ

    Here’s Alex JOnes warning about 9/11 before it happened

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGtOFudmHG8

    WAKE UP PEOPLE!

  • you can run but you can’t hide.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxz1jbPCfTQ

    THIS SHOULD EXPLAIN IT IN A NUTSHELL

  • tone_locIlla

    Man, are you fucking serious? KRS said it was justice because blacks weren’t allowed in to the World Trade Center? No, it wasn’t. I know for a fact anyone could enter as long as you look like you’re there to do business(suited up). You won’t get in to most office buildings wearing timbs baggy jeans and an oversized t shirt. Unless it’s a record company and you’re a rapper or r&b singer.
    You all are some over sensetive ass fools on that. Why is it always because “I’m Black” Yeah, what happened in the Gulf Coast was wrong. I know there was corruption goin’ on because it’s obvious. But you can’t say that anyone deserved to die because they were better off, or “white” It’s not like everyone in the building was a racist. That’s some ignant ass shit to say. Especially from somebody as “intellectual” as KRS-ONE. Let’s quit cryin’ and do something about it. Fo real. Get some good people elected. Corruption can’t hold us down forever.

  • soopadoopa

    Its hard 2 compare an act of terrorism with a natural diaster, but
    the responses to each tradgedy show how this country feels about black and brown people(hip-hop community)…

    THEY DONT CARE ABOUT US!!!

    word 2 Kanye!

    P.S. TheBlueprint aint a Classic!!!

  • AJTHROWBACK

    Well, I would definitely agree that Hurricane Katrina affected more people in the Black community than 9/11 because way more Black people were displaced and forced to relocate from their homes and could not afford to rebuild. I also agree that when it comes to movies that are being put out regarding 9/11, more white people seem to take more interest in these films. I don’t know one Black person that saw “United 93″ or “World Trade Center”.

    However, I feel that 9/11 did affect a good amount of people in the Black community as well because it wasn’t just white people who died at the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and on the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania. My sixth grade, Hilda Taylor, was on her way to Los Angeles with a sixth-grade student when their plane crashed into the Pentagon. Both of them were Black. I have friends from college in New York City who are Black, Hispanic and Latino that lost loved ones and friends at the World Trade Center. I don’t think that it’s a matter that we as Black people and people of color don’t care about 9/11 because even five years later, I still have debates with friends of mine about what REALLY happened and caused this tragedy. Even people who might not necessarily be considered “scholars” have something to say about 9/11 and how it was a screwed-up situation that could have been potentially prevented.

    I feel that the difference in how 9/11 affected Blacks versus Hurricane Katrina was the disparity and portrayal of both sides of the racial spectrum–Blacks and whites–in the same time of desperation by the media. The media coverage for 9/11 didn’t really display Blacks in a poor light because it focused more on white people and their expressions of horror and frustration. On the other hand, the media coverage for Hurricane Katrina not only showed mainly Black people fleeing in mass numbers from Louisiana, but how we were “looting” in order to feed our families. Whites were doing the same things for their families, but being considered “valiant” and “heroic”. Not saying that this was the only reason that it affected Blacks more than 9/11, but it’s a primary reason as to why many people in our community feel that the government didn’t care because we were being looked at and treated like second-class citizens and, in many cases, “common thugs”.

    Moreover, I am quite appalled at how people put values on life based on race because it’s no better that we as Black people actually cheer at the World Trade Center tragedy as probably some racist elements within white culture applauded the slow response to our needs during Hurricane Katrina because, as I said before, white people were not the only ones that died during 9/11. Even if they were, what ignorant person actually cheers that on? I was shocked at the events of 9/11 AND Hurricane Katrina because of the amount of lives both tragedies affected, and I do agree that the latter affected Blacks more apparently and vividly than the former. Nevertheless, a loss of life is a loss of life regardless, and we shouldn’t be celebrating or saying “f***” one tragedy and mourning over the other.

  • Meka Soul

    nice. co-sign.

    donald rumsfeld would get the shine slapped off as well.

    i would say cheney, but he’d prob’ly shoot me before i got close.

    then he’d make me apologize for getting in his way.

  • Meka Soul

    fuck kanye [no consequence].

  • http://www.allhiphop.com Rey

    While we’re at it..

    Condee Rice gets the Aunt Thomasina bitch slap to end all bitch slaps, as well as Barbara “Let them niggers rot in the Superdome” Bush.

  • http://www.allhiphop.com Rey

    Dammit.. I like Kanye! (no ashton valderrama)

  • http://www.myspace.com/wabdamuss Wab da Muss

    Ward Churchill’s a real Indian… he’s my cuzzzzzzzzzzin.

  • http://www.allhiphop.com Rey

    Okay, this might be a little early in the day to veer way the hell off topic, but…

    …since we’re talking about tragedies in the black community…

    1-Luda’s new song is woefully average and he looks like Shock G without the braids. (not even gonna mention Pharrell’s Phaggot Ass)

    and

    2-Peanut Butter & Jelly. What…the…fuck…was…that? Jibbs has been replaced on the list of rappers that should’ve had their vocal cords removed at birth.

  • Meka Soul

    no disrespect, but i don’t think kanye is the “smartest man in music” as time magazine proclaimed.

    i wonder if hip-hop is gonna eulogize/milk the katrina incident like they do all nat’l tragedies such as busta rhymes & TI’s piff pocketers getting ethered.

  • Meka Soul

    i just saw that “peanut butter & jelly” madness… i’m calling time warner to have BET blocked from my plan.

  • http://www.allhiphop.com Rey

    I dig Kanye’s music & his attitude. I could care less about his Louis Vuitton-ness or whether or not he’s a fudge.. I dig his music, and I like the fact that he’s a cocky fuck. (no sickamore)

    Katrina was fuckin’ tragic, whether it was the levees going down (like cassie, holla!–sorry) on their own, or cuz the gubment did it.

    I dunno, I’m too emo for this topic right now.

  • http://sexy-results.blogspot.com Ian

    I’m going to assume that the title of this post is a Toni Tone Tony (sic?) reference. And for that, you should be applauded.

  • from damitten

    Mr. Bol I have been reading your column for a good while now. Usually, I wouldn’t comment because I know that you are doing your job to try to get a spark out of your readers. But cot damn, pure ignorance! And you call yourself a professional! I would appreciate it if you stop with the class wars. You know, the us against them, pick a side, good vs. bad and white against black. I see that you are adding more fire to the never ending racial (in yo facial) discrimination flames. How are we ever going to get a long if we argue till the cows come home or at least til the so called war is over? Mr. Bol I like your work. I really do! It is usually comical to me. I feel your anger and happiness in all your topics you spoke on, but my point is neither incident out weighs the other. Just like the war is not just Bushs fault but everybody in his administration and everybody that loves that damn “Proud to be an American” song and the people that voted for him and his constituents to be in office. It seems like a never ending cycle of rage and termoil. Politics suck Yo.

  • http://www.allhiphop.com Rey

    Peanut Butter & Jelly was terrible. Sad thing is, those brothers look like they’re 30 years old. After I got “sunt” by Twerkolater on one of Sick’s posts, I didn’t hate them so much as I almost felt sorry for them.. Like, “Shit, they’re like 30 years old and this is the apex of their fame”.. I’m sure they didn’t set out to make horrible music (cough*fergie,timberlake*cough), it just came out…lame.

    Wayyyy too emo.

    On another completely unrelated note, Scarlett Johansson could totally get it.

  • Meka Soul

    i love this country.

  • http://www.allhiphop.com Rey

    Oh yeah.. Blueprint was a classic, as was Reasonable Doubt, and ‘Pac was assassinated.

    Mu’Fuckas.

  • Meka Soul

    isn’t fergie in her 30s also? she looks a lot older. i guess crystal meth is a helluva drug also.

  • http://www.allhiphop.com Rey

    Fergie looks like she’s made outta plastic.

    I mean, I’d do her and all, but I wouldn’t be proud of myself.

  • e

    isn’t fergie in her 30s also? she looks a lot older. i guess crystal meth is a helluva drug also.

    ^^^
    And she has been run through by a ton of people (no elton john) which would explain why they would let her make music

  • jimmy

    ok, rey, you need to go find yourself some friends. you obivously need someone to talk to.

    and bol, this is the most transparent shit i’ve read of yours. you’re the one that wrote the “katrina less tragic than we thought” post, and now that you’re getting paid to advertise spike’s new joint on your site you pull this fucking bullshit?

    i hope you’re getting paid a lot.

  • Meka Soul

    compared to 2000-up music scene, “the blueprint” is a classic. only because it had such competition like da band, webbie & petey pablo. in other words, it’s a classic with an asterisk.

    ‘pac was assassinated?

    right, & pimp c is sane.

  • http://www.allhiphop.com Rey

    Jim. Jimbo.. Jimmy… Let’s not run with the big dogs just yet, okay?

    Meka– I dunno man, I was not the biggest Jay-Z fan at that time, and that album impressed the hell outta me.

    As for ‘Pac being assassinated, yeah, I think he was.

  • DJ N-Credible

    First let me say this, I am from New Orleans.

    Whay happened there was clear evidence that racism still exist in America. Just like the our mayor(Nagin) said recently to the association of black journalists, “if this would have happened in South Beach, Florida…the response would have been much quicker”. We need to understand that us(blacks) are not considered true citizens of America…never was never will be…that is why the media controlled by those who hate us(blacks) called us refugees…we live in the RICHEST country in the world, yet we have so many people living under the poverty line…why…not because of laziness…but because of systematic oppression…we built there cities and now they dont need us anymore so they turned there backs on us and placed a sytem of oppression over our lives…they now have mexicans here to do there work for pennies…we deserve more and we must demand more…as far as the 9/11 is concerned i was shocked at first but after researching the matter years later i found the truth behind the 9/11 attacks…the powers that be wanted this to happen so they could create there preemtive war on terror…they create the terror than deter it…why to gain control of your lives as well as the people all over the world…this is a fabricated and facilitated war on terror…do your research the truth will not be televised…

  • soopadoopa

    All im saying iz Kanye put George Bush on front street on Nationl T.V.
    u gotta luv it. and the blueprint wuz so hot becuz it wuz jay’s best work since R.D. but i cant remember the words 2 those songs without them so its not a classic 2 me. I like JayZ though.

  • e

    The Blueprint should be considered a modern day classic try to think of 5 rap albums that are better that have come out in the last 5 years plus the impact it had. After it came out Nas stepped his game up and produced Stillmatic. It gave Kanye his chance to shine as a producer and led to The College Dropout and Late Registration

  • Meka Soul

    the lack of response from katrina was not racially motivated, but rather finacially, in my opinion.

  • Meka Soul

    “the blueprint:” to quote stan marsh when he met tom cruise:

    “you’re no napoleon dynamite, but you’re ok, i guess.”

  • http://www.allhiphop.com Rey

    E- Co-sign, altho’ I think God’s Son was better than Stillmatic.

    Meka- I agree with you there. “The Man” could give two shits about your color as long as you have money.

  • e

    I can’t believe I forgot God’s Son that was a ill cd too

  • http://www.allhiphop.com Rey

    The Blueprint was, in my opinion, one of the top 5 albums of this here decade thus far.

    (To be fair, I tend to gravitate towards the more lyrical of the popular rappers, so there’s a lot of shit I’m sure I’ve never heard, so spare me the lectures about underground MC SuperDope or whoever.)

    Napoleon Dynamite was the cinematic equivalent of “Right Thurr”, and I’m ready to go to war over that.

  • http://www.allhiphop.com Rey

    IMO, God’s Son was perfect except for the awful bravehearts track. Even “Hey Nas” had a good beat, and Nas did his “for the ladies” thing without being too cliche.

  • e

    The first 4 tracks set the album up Nas’ verses were ridiculous especially on “Get Down”

  • BELIZE

    Scarface was a dope movie u dumb fuck

  • soopadoopa

    so being better than the wack shit thats out constitues classic material??? wuznt that h 2 the izzo lamechops(soft&lame)? 2 me a classic is hot form start 2 finish… do u still listen 2 the blueprint iz my question?

  • e

    I don’t know why God’s Son dosen’t get the props that some of his other albums get

  • soopadoopa

    ^from start 2 finsh my bad

  • BELIZE

    Decent post though u could have used more examples, what was there 3? And one was just cause some dude felt lonely in the theatre…

  • http://xxlmag.com Bol

    >Decent post though u could have used more examples, what was there 3?

    It’s a blog post, not a book.

    I’m surprised people are even reading them as long as they are.

  • http://www.allhiphop.com Rey

    God’s Son probably gets overlooked cuz that’s when Jay had his first Beyonce record out, and Fiddy vs Ja Rule was brewing, plus 8 Mile was all over the place.. Hip-Hop was busy, I guess.

    Soop– Blueprint from start to finish, yes.

  • Meka Soul

    “napoleon dynamite” was one ginourmous shit sammich in my opinion.

    all of nas’ releases after “illmatic” > all if memphis bleek’s past, present & future releases.

    as a hilarious side note, i noticed that the young gunz have a new album out in tower records. it was in the cutout bargain bin section next to young mc & “barrio jamz.”

  • http://www.allhiphop.com Rey

    Thank God someone else sees N.D. as fuckin’ putrid.

    Young Gunz? I coulda swore they work in the cafeteria of my office now..

    1-BIG
    2-Jay
    3-Nas
    4-Em
    5-’Pac—->>This should start some shit.

  • BELIZE

    God Son is pretty dope

  • e

    Yeah Blueprint, Reasonable Doubt, and Black Album (in that order) all get start to finish play but I don’t listen to any of Jay’s other cds

  • soopadoopa

    fuck it…

    Long live Hova!!!!

    p.s. Nas iz better!!!!!!

    100

  • http://www.allhiphop.com Rey

    I mean, Damm.. “Last Real Nigga Alive”, “Get Down”, “Made You Look”, “I Can”, “Book of Rhymes”… Plus his mom just passed? Sheeit.. That album gets no burn ’round these parts.. Don’t even get me started on the remix with Luda & ‘Kiss..

  • BELIZE

    Bol Says:

    August 21st, 2006 at 3:54 pm
    >Decent post though u could have used more examples, what was there 3?

    It’s a blog post, not a book.

    I’m surprised people are even reading them as long as they are.

    ^Not good enough, ur a writer, step it up if u wanna do bigger shit..unless u tryin to do xxlmag ur whole lifE..U COULD HAVE ATLEAST HAD A LIKE THAT SHOWED MORE EXAMPLE…AT LEAST…but aye do u homie..do u

  • http://www.allhiphop.com Rey

    Blueprint 2 had it’s moments, but all that bouncy neptunes shit killed it..

    Vol 2, same thing except insert Swizzy for the neptunes

    Vol 1 was good too, he was way more introspective and conceptual on that than on the rest.

    I haven’t heard anything but the singles off Dynasty or Vol 3.

  • BELIZE

    1-BIG
    2-Jay
    3-Nas
    4-Em
    5-’Pac—->>This should start some shit.

    ^Big only did 2 albums..he gets #5..the most!
    Em fell off and only his 1st too albums are dope-u could swap him for Rakim atleast

  • http://www.allhiphop.com Rey

    Belize needs a hug.. Someone find Boner Jams.

  • Fernando

    Blueprint is not even close to classic. Reasonable Doubt, definitely. Katrina & 9/11 were both tragic, but the Government had a hand in both..so fuk it, I live in Portland Oregon. There is nothing “hip-hop” about leves breaking or planes flying into buildings, period. Classic albums…
    -Brotha Lynch – Loaded
    -Reasonable Doubt
    -Mac Dre – Heart of a gangsta….
    -First 3 Outkast Albums
    -Illmatic
    -1st Bootcamp Album
    -Scarface – The Fix

    There are many more, but not many in the last 5-6 years

  • e

    all underrated list
    1. Big Pun
    2. Redman
    3. The DOC
    4. Big L
    5. Bone Thugs

  • Meka Soul

    “it was written” > “god’s son.”

    pink suit & all.

  • http://www.allhiphop.com Rey

    I totally acknowledge Rakim’s impact, but I only started listening to rap in ’92, and it was a slow introduction at that. Out of what I’ve heard since then, lyrically & style-wise, that’s my top 5.

    I’d probably put Pun as like 5-A, but I wasn’t really checking for him.

    I’m the perfect example of what happens when Z-100 introduced you to rap. (i was 12, fuckers)

  • BELIZE

    U know what is pissing me off..Method Man album drops next week and I aint seen one good promo-the worst part is that i v heard some decent songs on the album

  • BELIZE

    It was written was dope..it grew on me..i didnt like it in 96 but luved it in 99..talk about ahead of his time

  • slap fire out a blog

    what were we talking about again?

    oh yeah the Blueprint is a classic. I lived off of that album literally for like 2 mos…….

  • Fernando

    Wow Rey!! Your list of top five emcees is groundbreaking! Such deep thought, such new material, Ill have to go on a vision quest to even comprehend the complexity of how you formulated a top 5 list that includes Biggie, Pac, M&M, Jay-Z, & Nas

  • BELIZE

    Id put pun before Big..only cuz of his impact on the latin community

  • e

    I only started listening to rap in ‘92,
    ^^^
    The First rap albums that I heard were all early 90s too The Chronic and Ready To Die were my introduction but I listen to older stuff before that like Kane and Krs

  • tHe tRaNsIeNt

    lmao..eminem is yo top 5?..is rey 14 years old?

    “god’s son” wus wack other den the 3 singles

  • http://www.allhiphop.com Rey

    Yeah, from what I hear Mef brings “it” on this one.

    It’s all a fuckin’ conspiracy, man. Assholes like Sickamore (sorry homey) and YN (“rat faced faggit ass nigga”) are trying to spoon-feed us the bullshit rap from today by calling it ice cream with this whole 70s babies vs 80s babies war.

    They’re trying to say that Jay, Nas, Mef, Red, etc etc don’t really have a place in the game now that Fiddy, the crack rappers, and MC MixTape are here.

    Fuck that shit, man. I’ll listen to fuckin’ “Harlem World” ’til the shit cracks, then go by a new copy til the day I die before I buy a Young TI Wayne cd, or whatever bullshit ass rappers are out, and I don’t give a fuck how “angry” I am.

    Fuck the crack rap, fuck the top 40 Payola radio, and fuck every MC that still rhymes party with bacardi and diddy with city.

    Step

    Your

    Rap

    Game

    UP

  • slap fire out a blog

    Bone thugs & DOC arent underrated, they’re just bad. (as in bad meaning horrible as in I much rather stab myslef in the neck with a rusty icepick while drinking vinegar in a bathtub filled with my own vomit)

  • tHe tRaNsIeNt

    lmao..eminem in yo top 5?..is rey 14 years old?

    “god’s son” wus wack other den the 3 singles

  • e

    Bone thugs & DOC arent underrated, they’re just bad. (as in bad meaning horrible as in I much rather stab myslef in the neck with a rusty icepick while drinking vinegar in a bathtub filled with my own vomit)

    ^^^
    Doc before or after the voice change?

  • Fernando

    Pac – Lots of great albums, cant argue with that

    Jay-Z – Two great albums, a bunch of hit singles, and some great appearances on other peoples shit(#5 at BEST)

    Biggie – Two Very good albums (Top Ten..NOT TOP 5)

    Eminem – Top 20 if he is lucky. His songs are good for about a week, then you realize you are listening to a 30 year old Millionaire bitch about his skanky wife and retarded daughter.

    Nas – Three shitbag albums hurt his top 5 status. Hes been gaining ground lately…well see about the new album.

  • http://www.allhiphop.com Rey

    Fernando– I should work for NASA or some shit.

    Transi– I told you, I’m not making fun of retarded people.

    E– Yeah, I respect the old school, and they’ve earned their spots without a doubt, but my resources for acquiring music legally or otherwise are low, and you know Hot & Power’s idea of “old school” is fuckin’ “Money Cash Hoes”, so I can’t really do my research.

    “The Chronic” & “Doggystyle”, along with “Enter the 36 Chambers” & “Strictly for my Niggas” all helped too.

  • BELIZE

    Im buyin Method Man’s album..u can get it over the internet but I still have faith in that nucca..tical is a classic

    Plus im a smoker…weedheads’ UNITE..haaa

  • tHe tRaNsIeNt

    doc first cd a classic

    bone thugs ep and first cd also classic

    where eazy e come in on “foe da luv of $$$” = oh shit

  • http://www.allhiphop.com Rey

    I liked Bone Thugs, but they’re hip-hop like Nelly is hip-hop.. ie they’re black and they mention guns every now and then.

  • tHe tRaNsIeNt

    i luv how rey be talkin’ about hatin’ “crack rappers” yet his favorite rapper biggie and he always talkin about rae and ghost

  • BELIZE

    Top 5 disappionments in hiphop (MC’S)
    1. Canibus (remember 2nd Round KO)

    2. Ras Kass (Listen to track Interveiw With A Vampire..thats all im gonna say)

    3. Kurupt – East cost flow wit a west coast Gangsta aka the original Game

    4. Drag-On – still cant believe i fukin bought his CD..somebody slap me

    5. Sticky Fingaz – everybody thought he was the hrdest nucaa ever…shit he was cockeyed so u gotta be hard, right? Then he gets KO’d by a white boy-sad thing is his solo CD is dope as shit

  • http://www.allhiphop.com Rey

    “Release yo’ delf”, “All I Need”, and “Bring the pain” = classic

    Bone Thugs had some shit, and their style is totally original, and it’s a fuckin’ shame that they don’t get any burn either.

  • DJ N-Credible

    The response had nothing to do with money…LIKE I SAID THIS IS THE RICHEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD…IF NEW AWKINS NATIVES HAS MONEY THEY WOULD HAVE HAD A QUICKER RESONSE…THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING

  • Fernando

    Greatest Rap Groups?????

    Outkast – Obvious

    EPMD – Obvious

    Bootcamp or Wu – Too close to call. Wu has a couple great albums & then a bunch of shit. Bootcamp the same

    St. Lunatics – See if you guys are paying attention

    3XCrazy – Do y’all even know???

  • BELIZE

    Rey Says:

    August 21st, 2006 at 4:18 pm
    I liked Bone Thugs, but they’re hip-hop like Nelly is hip-hop.. ie they’re black and they mention guns every now and then.

    ^ PLEASE DONT EVER COMPARE BONE TO NELLY-EVER

  • http://www.allhiphop.com Rey

    Fuck you, Transi. Try listening to BIG sometime. You might have to take Weezy’s dick outta your mouth first.

    Fuck outta here.

    Alright mu’fuckas, I’m out.

    FREE BUSTA RHYMES (or some shit)

  • slap fire out a blog

    Bone thugs & DOC arent underrated, they’re just bad. (as in bad meaning horrible as in I much rather stab myslef in the neck with a rusty icepick while drinking vinegar in a bathtub filled with my own vomit)

    ^^^
    Doc before or after the voice change?

    ^^
    Either, its your choice……

  • DJ N-Credible

    THATS THE PROBLEM WITH YOU BRAIN DEAD MUTHA FUCKAS…THIS MAN TRYING TO BRING REAL ISSUES TO THE TABLE AND YALL WANNA TALK ABOUT THE BLUEPRINT…YOU SMUCKS WILL DESERVE EVERYTHING THAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE

  • tHe tRaNsIeNt

    yea rey..i’ve never heard any biggie before

    godamn..for sumone who types about replies longer den bol blogs u sure are a dumb ass nigga

  • Fernando

    Ras Kass & Kurupt both had 2-3 sick-ass albums, which apparently is enough for Top 5 ever status in this blog.

    Drag-On was never dissapointing, he was crap from the start just like everyone else in that crew besides old-DMX. (not new X)

    For Transient…”Standin on the corner straight slangin rocks…ahhhh man here come the crooked ass cops/ so I dash, I slash and I hide behind a tree/ hopin motherfuckers dont see me” Classic SHit

  • tHe tRaNsIeNt

    hell yea fernando..

  • BELIZE

    DJ Original Name is mad cuz his only DJ gigs are are chuckt cheese…hes gotta wear the suit too

  • Fernando

    Canibus is far and away the most dissapointing MC….EVER!! I remember hearing the 2nd round KO EP in 9th grade and thinking that I just found the greatest rapper ever. He had Iron Mike on the Intro and was Slaying LL for 4 minutes. Then I heard his 3 minute verse on the Lost Boyz “Beasts from the East” song and I was convinced he was the truth…Then His album dropped. Holy Shit, I almost cried it was so bad. I think I gave it chuck out my car window while driving..THAT DISSAPOINTING

  • Fernando

    BTW….What the hell happened to Mr. Cheeks??? Did Freeky Tah really hold that group together?? God Damn, thats pretty hurtful too. At least he got paid, but damn, how do you go from “renee” to whatever the fuk he’s doin now?

  • BELIZE

    I luv bone…by far top 5 groups ever

  • BELIZE

    Back to this Blog’s topic..i remeber when i was inthe marines and Katrina happened..me and like 3 of my homeboys went begging to our commander to send us to over there..i had fam that lost thoer crib and my boy lost his grandma…come to find out that 6 days after the commander still didnt know what to do till finally he called it of..that was what ticked me off about the military.str8 up..niggaz begiin us to go to Iraq EVERYDAY but when real shit happenes there unsure

  • BELIZE

    My point is that somewhere somebosy got their prorities f’up

  • Fernando

    Fuk this Blogs topic. Its stupid and this ignint ass blog room is not the place to discuss it. “I think the most hip-hop world tragedy ever is the Holocaust, because Jews run all the record labels” Bol you are a retarded muskrat for this. Your next post better be about how you found Cassie’s true racial background

  • >>>>>>>>>>>ROC

    this is the most fukin ignorant article ever written…who gives a fuck about which disaster that affeted thousands of people is more hip hop than the other…wtf are u thinking bol u ugly motherfucker…no homo…alot of people died and alot are still suffering so quit with ur ignorant ass ideas and write a blog about something people give a fuck about..or at least some funny shit

  • BELIZE

    OK BOL, since evrybody hating on you ill ask a simple question…did you know that they made the movie before the marine came out and told them that he was the real hero? So then its not really racist on their part if they didn’t know, maybe ignorant..but tradegy is colur blind nowadays homie.

    Read Cnn:
    http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/anderson.cooper.360/blog/2006/08/missing-marine-from-911-comes-forward.html
    NOT DUBCNN!

  • http://www.myspace.com/angelsometimes Cthulhu

    I love how it’s “us and them.” You’re really not as groundbreaking as I thought you were.
    I feel like I am one of the only people left in this country who actually sees the beauty in unity over division.

  • New York Nigga

    slap fire out a blog Says:

    August 21st, 2006 at 1:16 pm
    I think the reason why Katrina was more hip hop than 9/11 is mainly because of

    nobody cares bout wat u got to say bitch get ouutta here he alreasy said da same thing u said these site iz NOT POLITCES IF I WANTED PLORICES I”ll go to a cracker site stick 2 hip hop

    oh yea 1 more thing cassie iz my wife

  • BELIZE

    Thanks for deleteing my shit, u overweight waste of space…appreciate it

  • jon jon–23

    I am sort of with KRS on this one…It’s like they really don’t care about us, so fuck them. Look at all those black people stranded in New Orleans all that time with no assistance last year. It should have been very sobering to a lot of young blacks, but from reading some of these comments it wasn’t. This was a great blog but these niggas are ranking rappers with their responses. That’s one reason the black race will remain second class in America.

  • DJ N-CREDIBLE

    they lost

  • DJ N-CREDIBLE

    this is the type of individuals current hip hop is producing

  • pop a poppa

    yes Katrina is a more “hip-hop” disaster than 9/11. but the thing is people always try to separate the two. this post does exactly that. one is not different than the other. its just 2 sides of the same coin.

  • http://xxl 2liveanddieinGA

    bon-bon23 get that cracka’s dick outta yo mouth w.t.f. do u mean second class citizens we are not nor will we ever be second class u are the sole problem 4 the entire race u vanilla ice dick riding bitch!!!!!!

  • P

    GOOD POINT BOL

    (and I usually dont agree with you at all)

  • slap fire out a blog

    “nobody cares bout wat u got to say bitch get ouutta here he alreasy said da same thing u said these site iz NOT POLITCES IF I WANTED PLORICES I”ll go to a cracker site stick 2 hip hop”

    Huh? Exactly what point are you trying to say with your illiterate ass?

  • TheRealest

    this blog is fuckin ignorant! which 1 is more hip-hop? like it fuckin matters? what happened in both instances was fucked up. this shit is a fuckin joke

  • tru

    i feel ya realest

  • j

    bol you should write everything for everypublication and website in existence. im serious dude might be the most ignorat sumnabitch alive but dude can fucking write. its sad you share thesame spacewith cats like dickamore and drama. shit even elliotwilson is a bitch you can just sense that shit. hes like the pussy dude in the crew who when shit pops off he hypin up his tough friend but would be runnin if his man wasntthere to take care of shit. yea thats def elliot wilson that ugly ass motherfucker. keep writing that outlandish shit you fat fuck. one love. no homo.

  • jon jon–23

    2LIVEANDDIEINGA you a perfect example. I will never view my black race as 2nd class—but these crackas’ do…If you don’t believe me shit, take Katrina for instance and then look at the 9/11 attacks. They left our black asses out to dry. You had old people and babies out there dying and the shit was on national television. Nobody gave a fuck to start any type of major rescue campaign for quite some time. If the majority of people stuck out there were white middle class they would have jumped into action immediately. They constantly dogging us by putting bullshit stories on the news, like the Jon Benet Ramsey story. All due respect to the little girl but young niggas die on a daily basis in the ghetto and nobody cares. They made a fucking movie about the 9/11 attacks and it featured a marine who was a hero because he saved lives. In reality he was a black man, but in the movie they changed his race to what? You guessed it, a cracka. They constantly show clips of the war in Iraq and you rarely ever see any black soldiers getting any love or face time. Being in the military I can tell you, its a gang-o-niggas serving in Iraq. Don’t take my word for it just look at shit around you. We only make up about 14% of the U.S. population, but in the prison system we are the majority. They shit on us on a daily basis and some of us are too brainwashed to even realize it.

  • Tom

    alex jones 9/11 documentaries are hip hop

  • Big JR

    Who gives fuck which is more Hip-Hop. Thousands of people lost their lives in both incidents. Black, white, Asian, it doesn’t matter.

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