Days after lashing out at Complex over the phone, Wale stops by the Juan Epstein podcast show to chop it up with Peter Rosenberg and Cipha Sounds.

The conversation, in which Wale emphasizes his artistry as an MC, ranges from Nigerian music to career meltdowns to the Washington Redskins. Listen in as a tongue-in-cheek Wale weighs in on his current state in Hip-hop.

Peep full audio below.—Marjua Estevez