Lil’ Kim’s Hard Core vs. Foxy Brown’s Ill Na Na

Fun fact: Lil’ Kim and Foxy Brown both dropped their debut albums, Ill Na Na and Hardcore, respectively, this very month 15 years ago.

The two Brooklyn femcees changed the game. Down with two of the biggest crews in hip-hop (Lil’ Kim with the Biggie-helmed Junior M.A.F.I.A. and Foxy Brown with Nas’ The Firm), Kim and Fox laid the blueprint for the hyper-sexualized, ride-or-die, street savvy, brand-name-dropping rapstress.

Now, over a decade since the two hit the scene and on the eve of Ill Na Na‘s 15-year anniversary (Kim’s Hard Core dropped just a week before on Nov. 12), XXL looks back at Fox Boogie and the Queen Bee’s contributions to hip-hop and breaks down their two legendary sets by the numbers. Salute!—Gina Montana


  • Malibu Barbie

    what was the point of this poll ??? to throw more shade and disrespect the hip hop female pioneers ? . I SEE no relevance or the point of this post.

    • zaire

      VERY TRUE!! THIS POLL IS DUMB AS FUCK .. FOXY AND KIM ARE DOPE THO!

  • flex3366

    Classic albums and wish there were more albums like it right now not just female rappers but period. only problem i have wit both these albums is biggie wrote most of hardcore and jay wrote alot on ill nana so how great are they really???

  • stbaby

    Ewe ,lil kim is so dirty and that is why she cant sell at this global age because all she knows is sex.And no other subject matter.

  • Decaturboicolumbiahighschool91

    Pointless.

  • http://twitter.com/#!/THEIMPERMANENCE TheImpermanence

    DEAR, DEAR XXL…..who are you employing to write this articles? Because the hypocrisy and ‘shadiness’ on Lil’ Kim is astounding yet when you want to sell ALOT of magazines you produce a glowing and respectful article on her. It’s so unfair!!!

    Lil’ Kim has the up-most praise for you at XXL and to come back at Kim to say she has ghost-writers and make a mockery of her talent and MC’n, that’s just unfair.

    This shady article should be pulled as why compare albums anyway? Why not compare these classic albums to the crap that is released today? All clowny rappin’ untalented, ryhming-Nicki Minaj- is a prime example. If this is the way you’re going, I’m OUT.

  • mike

    KIM’s first album was DOPE!!!!

    I don’t care if Biggie did have a hand in it or not, look at who was the household name at the end of the day??

    KIM’s not foxy.
    If you mention foxy around people think you’re talking about the movie not the rap chick who had minuscule success.

    While BOTH of these women have seen brighter days, there is no denying that KIM, not foxy, revolutionized female rap from that point on. After this album she dropped NOTORIOUS KIM which was a huge commercial success for a female rapper.

    KIM broke the doors down for female rappers to explore the various different aspects of entertainment as far as transcending a single genre is concerned.

    While people always want to point out her flaws, they usually fail to acknowledge that if it wasn’t for her sexy female rappers would not have been taken seriously as business women.

    Kim would always be places and do things that no one thought would be expected from some one coming from a genre that was always just a microcosm of the bigger music arena.

    While female rappers before Kim definitely opened the doors for people like her and foxy, eve, trina, and nicki to be taken seriously, it was KIM who was the first that was able to branch out commercially and have a huge impact on pop culture.

    If it wasn’t for the likes of Lil KIM and Missy Elliot there would be no room for a female rapper that transcends genres.

    Not saying that Foxy wasn’t as noteworthy, she just didn’t continue to take advantage of what she had in her hands at one point in time; but Kim did.

    • kedordu

      SPIT FOR SPIT . FOXY IS THE BEST IN STREET HOP . kim will tell u that . cut it out .

    • Jacee

      You do realize that Chyna Doll was the first female rapper album to reach #1 on Billboard 100, right? Foxy Brown also was the first female rapper featured in a high fashion magazine (W magazine during Chyna Doll), she had Calvin Klein endorsements, she was consigned/a muse for Christian Dior, etc. And Chyna Doll came out before Notorious K.I.M. #facts

  • Jimmi

    KIM ALL DAY!!!!

  • http://lilkimzone.net Phillyboy

    Lilkim and foxy LILKIM = WINNER!!!!! LILKIM and foxy foxy= LOSER!!!!!! lilkim was the best that did it! Foxys whole career was dissing LILKIM!!! END OF STORY!!

  • IkiHav

    Ghostwriter my ass

  • Fermin

    U should be ashamed of urself for this ,these two ablums r classics in the hip hop world that changed the female game and went head to head with the men ,without them there wouldn’t be what’s out there and they both wrote what they spit out,where is all the respect for these two legends show respect ,and also a lot of male rappers talk about sex and name brand stuff ,but u respect a swagger jacker who doesn’t make any sense and has poor stage presence ,WACK article .support real hip hop

  • L

    UMM… NO KIM HAS DEF DONE MORE THAN 2 FOREIGN LANGUAGES

  • Katelle

    Foxy is the winner. I love how Foxy was able to be super sexy and not be disgusting like Kim. Foxy was also the best rapper, Kim knew this. Biggie said it, countless magazines have stated the same. It’s just that Kim sold out and became Pop like Nicki Minaj is now. History repeats itself. Foxy Brown is the greatest female rapper, ever. And I dont even listen to female rapper no more.

    • GTFOH

      LMAO!!! YOU GOTTA BE OUT OF YOUR FUCKING MIND FOXY AIN’T RIGHT SHIT ON THIS ALBUM YEAH KIM HAD PRODUCERS SHE HAD BETTER SONGS AND SHE WROTE HER OWN VERSE EVERYTIME AND THEY WERE SLIGHTLY ALTERED TO MAKE IT MORE SEXIER AND ALL YOU BITCHES ROCKING HER SWAGG ONE WAY OR ANOTHER CAUSE SHE WAS THE ONLY PERSON DO IT LIKE THAT NOW EVERYBODY DOIN IT LIKE THAT KEEP BEING PHONY BITCH! BAD PRESS IS GREAT FOR LIL KIM ALL THE BITCH ALBUMS ARE PLATINUM >RAP< CLASSICS! #ALLHAILTHEQUEEN

  • BabycakesLover

    I believe there needs to be a correction made to this. Kim has got to have more than 12 orgasms on Hardcore. On Big Momma Thang alone she says, “that’s how many times I want to cum: 21…and another one…and another one…and another one”.

  • Azhar

    Ill Na Na was more polished na dhad better beats and better verses

  • http://www.dubturbomixer.com dubturbomixer.com

    I do not like both :-) :-D

  • ZAIRE

    WOULD THEY MAKE A POLL LIKE WITH A JAYZ OR PAC ALBUM???

  • dale

    Kim’s first album was some unforgettable classic shit, that hot it set us up for a big dissapointment when Biggie left. Although she managed to hold it u,p the feeling was never quite the same.
    Foxy was just a dope female rapper with classic hits on the album and a better mic presence, and still got niggaz praying for a return…a spectacular one!

  • http://yahoo lilgav

    both of them are my best rappers period foxy spits that brooklyn shit and kim is more commercial than fox thats why she had better success they both on the same boat with their careers if they come together that will prolly be one of the biggest movements of hip-hop come on now kim and fox together that will merk shit no body will be able to move they need eachother ritenow

  • Martriese

    Foxy always spit the heed and i still have da ill nana album and from what i see up there i dont really believe the facts are facts. Kim cant be the best to do anything cuz when their albums were suppose to come out close to about the same time kim doubted herself and pushed her album back. Kim fans always piss me off because the things you do and say are pointless and if you look at the facts you would reply differently. Kim came at Fox wrong and then the shots were fired. Fox wasnt really saying much about kim until she had enough of the bs and invited Kim to a battle which we all knew kim wouldnt take upon because she knew as well as we all knew she would not win. The hottest line I believe kim ever said was “hot damn hoe here we go again,” but Fox said it first should of known Kim couldnt come up with shyt that fly on her own. Anyone that doesnt like what i’m saying must not like facts and can kill ya self just my personal thoughts. duces

  • MurdaMurda

    They both were mad cool and talented. for the hater saying fox didnt write shit on the album is mad retarded, she may of been younger than kim but back then you had to have some kind of talent to be discovered not just a pretty face. If anything kim may not of wrote anything because her nigga was in the game and that how she got in fox got in the game before she even met jay-z. i like them both only thing different from me and others is that i can see the facts and not just my own personal op. I agree fox and kim both need to come together but if you listen to their music their sounds are totally different but it would of been mad crazy if foxy was on the ladies night track she would of murkd it lyric fa lyric fox gets it in and i think the beats kim has gets ppl dancing. If we as ppl put pressure on these two to put together a joint album they will their fued should be over by now unless theyre childish and holding on to something that needs to be finished with but i believe we can get them to do it. (PETITION)

  • Svetlana

    Whoever wrote this is obviously very uneducated and jealous. First of all, let me state that Lil’Kim is the Queen Bee who cannot be outdone by any individual on this planet. Second of all, the author of this article wrote this in a malicious attempt to trash the both of them, regardless of the fact that they both contributed to the entertainment industry in numerous ways (Lil’Kim way more). Anyways, I respect the Queen Bee more then anyone in this world. She is a true Queen. Bow down.

  • ♛KiNG_TRiNi♕ 310™

    Bitch below me… SHUT THE FUCK UP… Bitch kim ain’t nobody, no one give a flying, walking, or crawling fuck about her trashy whore ass. Get it right, FOXY is that BITCH, she is the #1 King Bitch, them fake queens can’t fit in her jeans. Recognize ROYALTY when you see it bitch…